Posted by psgels on 2 August 2006 with categories: Anime Reviews, Noein



Noein is an outstanding anime. Heck, at the moment, Mahou Shoujotai is the only anime I can think off which has made a bigger impact on me. This anime is that incredible. It’s a science-fiction series, but it cleverly stays away from all of the clichés that the other science-fiction shows are so often plagued by.

Noein has so many good qualities, I don’t know where to start. The story, for one, is something very simple, it contains some often used elements, though it’s extremely creative in what it does. So many interesting plot twists happen during the course of the anime. It really always leaves you guessing. The characters are also amazing. Noein features a huge range of characters, and for some reason it manages to fully develop, explore and give the player the chance to know them in only twenty-four episodes. The result is that you can’t help but care about them during the entire course of the anime.

The pacing also is another very interesting issue in Noein. During some episodes, mostly the intermezzo’s, the pacing is slow. Perhaps a bit too slow, but their contents made up for everything. At other times, the pacing is incredible. So many episodes feature events which succeed each other in an extremely rapid pacing. Surprisingly enough, nothing felt rushed at all.

The moment I saw this anime for the first time, I knew I was looking at something special. The first episode really contained something unique, and as the episodes progressed, the scenes began to get more amazing by the minute. Then, around episode ten, the episodes started to become incredibly good. episode 15 continued with the normal awesomeness, only for the last three episodes to whack me down with scenes which actually managed to be even better than the anime has ever been. The way it ended definately belongs in the category of amazing endings. Even though some issues were left unexplained (PHONE!!??).

And I haven’t even started talking about the graphics and music yet! Seriously, both of these departments are outstandingly done. The entire anime is done in a very experimental art style. Characters and animation look extremely messy, but somehow the effect this has is incredible. Especially if you combine this with the OST. It really is one of the best OSTs ever, and the creators really knew exactly when they had to use it. The battle scenes also are a huge joy to watch. This anime features some amazing looking battle choreography. This works especially good with the character art, as it becomes even more messy during these action scenes. Needless to say that the result is awesome.

Okay, so the anime has a few flaws when you look at the detail. Some of the technobabble may work confusing at times. Especially when you don’t know anything about physics. At times, Haruka may look a bit too much like a damsel in distress. And there are more things like these. But believe me, the good parts totally make up for these.

Overall, I seriously recommend you to check Noein out, if you haven’t already. It may be a science-fiction series, but most of the airtime is actually spent in a normal timezone, instead of the futuristic one. The art is awesome, the characters are awesome, and the antagonist is one of the freakiest one of his kind, able to play his role very well. Watching this anime was amazing. Really amazing.

35 Responses

  1. Anga says:

    I remember that I wrote something like this on anime forum after seeing first few episodes: “The plot is unique, but I’m not impressed yet.” I think that holds true even now. I don’t watch lot of scifi, because that genre has tendency to include many things I dislike. There were times when I was almost ready to drop Noein because of it’s technobabble, many shows that I watch fall into emo side so quite opposite thing.

    But yeah, music sounds good and the art is awesome. Very good series if considering that it’s scifi.

  2. TCoFA says:

    Though not having seen the last episode yet, I wish to to say I agree on pretty much here. I’d also like to add that a great element was the fact that they did not use SWORDS or anything like that. Nothing ninja, nothing medieval fantasy magic, but much more unique abilities, and very creative at them(though I found it obvious Karasu’s weapon was inspired by vines). And after a few episodes, you get used to the weirdness, and are actually getting to appreciate it so much more.

    But Noein offers so much more then just fighting scenes, and that’s a good thing. The characters were well denvelopped, and I loved how Atori became a nice guy, though I find it a flaw that he somewhat returned to his former self. Where I would have let him grow into a new personality if it woul’ve been my choice.
    The damsel in distress didn’t bother me much though, as Haruka is still a little girl hardly capable of controlling her own powers. She also tried to do things herself, and wether succesfull or not, she wasn’t waiting in a tower for Karasu to save her.

    The art was most definatley different, but not having seen too much anime, I don’t think it appaeled to me the way it appaeled to you. Still, I liked the style, and the music was very good too.

  3. Ryan A says:

    I like this review. Noein was damn amazing. I feel one thing that hold ppl back is the character design. The animation is spectacular like you say; the opening had my jaw on the floor, and it only got more intense and interesting.

    Though, all the concepts weren’t sound, the show generally had some fantastically different ways of presenting heros and villains. Great stuff.

  4. AND HAN says:

    I have to say noein is the best anime i’ve seen. I could almost cry at the end, not because it was sad or happy but because it was such a great anime. I hope they come out with a sequal, but than again, the story is pretty much over and I wouldn’t want the kids to be like 20 or so…

  5. psgels psgels says:

    Well, there indeed won’t be any chance of a sequel. I mean, Noein is dead, most things are resolved, and there just isn’t enough material for a second season. What we can hope for, though, is a new anime, done by the same team. Perhaps they’ll get back together one day and create another masterpiece.

  6. meg says:

    Noein is wonderful, and I can’t believe that the SciFi channel is actually showing even if its out of sequence. Still I keep wondering if there will be any sequels. At the end of episode 24, Noein said that ‘they’ would come back! What that means, I’m not sure, but that would imply that there is more to the Noein story. Hopefully it center on the characters when they are older.
    Also I have two question 1. What happened to Karasu at the end of episode 24, did he just disappear? And 2. What is the fate of Lacrima? I expected Lacrima to return to what it was before, into a beautiful place.
    Either way I am a major american fan of Noein and look forward to future projects by the anime team behind Noein!

  7. noein? says:

    I’m enjoying it so far (end of third series) even though are some flaws and some things left un dealt with such as the phone. what is really buging me though is the meaning of “noein”. Can anyone tell me what it means?

  8. psgels psgels says:

    It’s been too long since I finished this series, but if I remember correctly it’s some kind of obscure mythological figure.

  9. Max says:

    Noein might be related to the being/non being philosophy thema. You can read more below.

    parmenides and the sophis (history of Greek civilisation the being/not-being problem…)

  10. ippo says:

    I agree with the character design and the overall plot twist,but I felt so bored except during the fight scenes. Just random babble and SLOOOW! episodes. It was a good series but not to the standards you have for it IMO.

  11. nahrub says:

    i won’t call it ‘random babble’. everything was perfectly explain so that even an imbecile could follow. if you’re dragon ball type of guy, you’ll hate noein, if you don’t mind using you’re head for a change, you’ll grow to love it. it’ll put all time-traveling-dimension-crossing series/movies to shame.

  12. asdf says:

    Wow thanks to your blog I ran into this as well as El Cazador de la Bruja and Toward the Terra…

    This has got to be my favorite anime ever…just god damn…the fight scenes in this were better then animes BUILT around fighting, the story was so amazing and lots of plot twists and turns, the characters were just amazing as well…

  13. Elenmire says:

    I can’t believe to my eyes!
    I started to view Noein to verify his fame.
    I ended up feeling myself like crying -due to the strong effects on me I guess- in every single episode. I can’t find an appropriate adjective even in italian, my mother tongue. I just quote every words of yours.

  14. cdkobasiuk says:

    I loved Noein when I watched it by myself last year and just recently my 11 year old was whinning that she needed a new anime so I whipped Noein out for her and she watched the whole thing in two days. I watched it a gain with her and I loved it all over again. My daughter says it is now one of her favorites. She wasn’t bored by the techno talk and she loved the fight scenes and she enjoyed the character interactions a lot too. I’ll have to buy the box set for her for her birthday I’m sure.

    cdk

  15. lgp says:

    The box set is a must-have.

    I saw the first few episodes on SciFi channel and immediately pre-ordered the set, which I think I’ve now watched…maybe 5 times? Mostly in Japanese because I’m trying to learn that language–or at least, that’s my excuse.

    This work stays with you because it is not fluff. Every episode is an essay on the role of friendship and community (metaphorically, to echo Ai’s comments in La’Cryma during ep 24, ‘recognizing each other’) in keeping people sane and happy and getting folk through hard times.

    It also comments on such issues as making a conscious decision about how to react to loss or a bad situation, and how sometimes compassion itself can be self-destructive (if the dimension is going to be assimilated anyway why not tear down a dam now and give people a mundane death instead of having to face what may come? or on a larger scale, why not avoid painful futures by…..?) It also comments on not turning away from living life or retreating to fantasy just because life contains some suffering and the risk of pain.

    There’s a lot going on here in terms of philosophy, and overall it is optimistic–a future of infinite choice.

    Hakodate having escaped the fate of La’Cryma, I do wish I knew what happened to these kids in the future that they actually wind up with. Do they remember all that happened this incredible summer? Do they think it was all a dream, or play, or do they forget these events? Do they remain good friends, or drift apart? Do any of the things Noein used to mess with their heads actually come to pass in their dimension (we can guess that La’Cryma’s Fukuro lost his eye in a way similar to what Noein showed; La’Cryma’s Ai, however, stood on her own two feet. So, not everything Noein revealed was necessarily false, but neither was it necessarily true.)?

    As for the fate of LaCryma and its people…I refer you to Schroedinger’s cat. So long as you don’t look, the characters remain in an overlapped state of dimensions in which they are alive, and dimensions in which they are dead. Do you really want to open the box and collapse that ambiguous state into a certainty of life or of death?

    Besides, there’s probably a cadre of dimensions in which each possible outcome occurred; take your pick. ;)

  16. In which country do you live? :)

  17. mark says:

    Thank you SOOO much for blogging this great series !

    My wife just picked it up @ Right Stuf for 24.98 as a box set.What a steal ! We likely would not have heard of it right away without your help.

  18. TheBlaah says:

    While I like Noein and believe that it is a very unique anime, I personally don’t think it’s as good as this review makes it out to be. Many of the characters are indeed endearing and its focus on quantum physics was interesting, (I actually understood most of it since my friend is a physics major) the scifi and the “slice of life” portions of the anime just didn’t seem to mesh together well. Also, the talk about quantum physics eventually just became repetitive, even if you don’t watch the episodes back to back. The drastic changes in artstyles between episodes also threw me off a bit, and begs the question as to why they did it.

  19. Denizen says:

    I really do find it hard to believe I put off watching this for so long. It really is a masterpiece, and definitely one of the best anime I have ever seen.

  20. senerikfred says:

    Ahah. That really did turn out pretty well. I will say that half the time, the animation actually bordered on crappy, but much of the time(including the aforementioned crappy moments) managed to look cooler than a typical show that at least looks like it has a higher budget does.
    The main issue, though, is everything that they left unexplained. I could appreciate a few random details being unique to different universes, but there was the WTF phone, all the depth they could’ve given to Shangri-la, and whatever was going on with Atori and Kosagi made me feel like I missed something. Seriously, on that last one, did anything get explained with me completely spacing?

    Spoiler-y confusion rant to follow.
    Initially, I was annoyed by most of the characters, and Atori and Kosagi were two of the worst-yet, as the series built up, I grew to like them, and those two were pretty much my favorites. When Atori was going on about Sara, and then called Kosagi Sara, I came to the conclusion she was his sister, and that it’d be entirely natural for him to despise the angst bucket that ignored his sister’s feelings, and for Kosagi to be distancing herself from an unstable brother. And then it turns out that his real sister got blown up in whatever warzone they lived in, which explained Atori being not entirely sane, but made me wonder where Kosagi came in. Then they let the two of them get owned and just left it at that?

  21. AnimeAngel says:

    WOW, I read your review for this anime and I have spotted this anime before, but I passed it on, thinking it would be a stupid, kids are the saviors of the world thing. But after reading your review, I was interested in it and I’m so glad that I watched it!!
    ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING ANIME’S I’VE EVER SEEN!! Next to fantastic children.

  22. Toby says:

    Just finished watching this series and although id agree with much of what you said initially id have to disagree overall. While the characters begin compelling and the story interesting (i particularly liked the quantum mechanics side of it) it went downhill towards the end.

    While inconsistent animation i consider to be forgivable. Lackluster storytelling i dont. Towards the end the storyline just sort of slips away into hammy dialogue and completely arbitrary scenes. Theres no real progress, the characters dont feel like they take any action towards the impending peril and it just feels half baked.

    Ive always liked the idea of normal people being put into exceptional circumstances. It seems a very common thing for animes to have kids facing things well beyond their years. which lets face it, is an interesting idea. BUT the point is that they evolve and develop.

    This show suffers from the same reason ive stopped watching Naruto. While i feel Naruto at its peak (a long long long time ago) was a very good anime. It suffers now from the “lets get stronger” ideology. Which i find huugely frustrating. Watching a group of kids stand around saying “lets get stronger together” i find annoying. and to repeat it every episode (like naruto) or ever few (like Noein) is unbearable. Its as if rather than provide actual physical and emotional development to these characters its easier to just have them say “im determined to get stronger!”

    Its the same in Noein. Yuu in particular i found deeply annoying. For a character who had some much screen time he does very little for the story other than proclaim his weakness and desire to get stronger. Karasu on the other hand while being a powerful character and obviously one who creates alot of excellent action scenes throughout, says very little and his motives and dialogue is identical from something like episode 10 to the end. He yells at yuu every few minutes telling him to be stronger and he proclaims his will to protect haruka no matter what. Theres no conflict, no interest.

    I find a similiar show like eureka 7 to be by far better told/ better animiated and with a far more cohesive storyline to boot.

    Now this may come off as an incredibly negative review but in actual fact i watched all of it and had the ending been better my review may have been much more positive. That is to say i enjoyed much of it and kept watching, but the shows ultimate shortcommings left me feeling sour i suppose. it was a disappointment to see how it all ended.

  23. ~noein~ says:

    so whats noein means?

  24. vee says:

    Based solely on cover-art and blurb, I wouldn’t have picked Noein off the shelf in a million years if I hadn’t read your review. I still wasn’t absolutely sure, but I braced myself and paid for it based solely on the fact that I’ve enjoyed other series you’ve rated highly.

    I’m so glad I did. This was absolutely fantastic! I did have a few moments of irritation (mostly as Noein kept shoving his depressing future down Haruka’s throat, despite *multiple* episodes having already established and reinforced the lesson that each future was only a possibility, not a certainty), but despite this, I can’t remember the last anime I enjoyed so much.

    So anyway, this is just a quick note to thank you for recommending it.

    Thank you :).

  25. Dragne says:

    A pretty good anime, though I didn’t think it was nearly as good as you make it out to be. I like that it tried something different.

    One of my biggest problems was the art. I say art and not animation because I think it was animated very well. The art design was not my style and annoyed me to no end (when I say design I mean the actual way characters were drawn). I thought the animation worked nicely however.

    The music was alright, one track stood out but nothing else was memorable.

    The plot was a cross between the matrix and back to the future. Which I enjoyed but never found it engrossing. I think my biggest problem was that the story was about 12 year old children. I find this confusing because it makes the target audience rather ambiguous. Are twelve year olds supposed to understand quantum physics?

    Overall it was good and recommended but not the diamond in the rough I was expecting. Good review though, we just have differing opinions.

  26. Megris Vernin says:

    I thought Noein was a fairly good show. The English dub of it I checked was very nice. The inconsistent art style annoyed out me for a while, but was usually acceptable during the battle scenes it happened in. I liked that none of the characters, even Atori(he turned cool by the end :)), were one dimensional. Each of the characters had quite a lot of depth. I felt bad for Quinn(wrong spelling?), by the end that guy was almost a robot. I agree with another comment that this wasn’t my favorite anime ever or even top 10. Certainly even though certain aspects confused me I can still appreciate the excellent battle sequences and cool powers of the Dragon Soldiers. It didn’t hit that emotional patch for me that some anime do, but I thought by the end it had become damn near impressive. Definitely my favorite series I’ve seen in about 3 months surpassed only slightly by how much I enjoyed Angel Beats.

    Thanks for all of the reviews you have, and will hopefully continue to do.

  27. Noein fan1 says:

    I loved this anime when i first came across this anime i thought it would be stupid. But i was WRONG. Big time wrong. If anyone of you think that noein is bad you are sadly misstaken. This show is so good i watched the series at least 4 or 5 times. I just couldn’t stop watching this that I barly did anything, I really didn’t even eat that much because I was so int this show that I lost track of time and I ended up watching noein all day

  28. mbarbosa says:

    The so called “babble” is actually a legitimate field of study now. Its quite possible we have many dimensions. I just liked it due to its ability to go for the alternate versions. Its allot better to read quantum psychics before you watch or after. Because if you do before you go o i know what their saying. After it works too cause you go oh i see. lol makes you wonder how the other yous are like.

  29. LouNa says:

    to the ones of you who are asking about the meaning of the word “noein”… after a visit to the wikipedia page it seems that the word could refer to the ancient greek word νοεῖν which means “to think” , “to observe” and also to a coptic one which means “to tremble”.

    P.S one of the best animes i’ve watched !!

  30. oroboros says:

    Excellent anime, and thank you Pgsels for reviewing it. I would have never seen it if it wasn’t for your high praise.

    For me, as a scifi buff, I enjoyed the series. The science was plausible and the explanations were consistent.

    But as an artist, I had some reservations about the animation – its quality seemed to drop dramatically during action scenes (I mean, sketchy lines and no color – manga effect?) and the cgi scenes were repeated a gadzillion times. Also, some of the designs seemed similar from Tweeny Witches, but had none of that show’s brilliant animation.

    The story seemed to cover the same ground over and over – Haruka is kidnapped again! Nothing will stop Karasu from saving her!

    Also, I felt there was too little focus on the future dystopia or Shangri’la (probably for effect) and that leaves some threads open or unresolved.

    All in all, the show belongs in the category of great series, along with Evangelion, Revolutionary Girl Utena, and Magica Madoka.

  31. Vanny says:

    The plot is unique, but the pacing was too slow to my liking. I was on the verge of dropping the show, but I kept on watching anyways. The anime started to shine around the mid-end of the series and every episode after that was well done.

    Art was interesting, music was okay (very small selection but good soundtrack), character & development was good, and the ending was somewhat satisfying.
    I also cried on epi21 like you did >_<

    I'm just really annoyed they did not explain who was the mysterious old time traveler. At first I thought it could be another version of Yuu, but he didn't sound like him at all… He seems to be so knowledgeable about everything too.

  32. Cynthia says:

    I watched this series as I found it one time on a local channel. Basically, the channel was marathoning it, but the episodes were all out of order and it got marathoned several times in a row (or within hours of one marathon ending, another started). If you live in Canada, you might know the channel, IFC. Anyway, it was during the Christmas period of 2010, or around that time anyway, that I saw the dub. I only saw the dub, and I found the voice acting to be somewhat craptastic, but the story is good enough that it didn’t bother me much. To date, I haven’t yet hunted down the sub, and I know I really should. This series managed to be fascinating despite having, to me anyway, an odd animation style and a few annoying characters.

  33. kurini says:

    I just finished this anime! It’s pretty amazing!
    There is just a major thing I’m not satisfied with : THE PHONE CALL!

    It’s thanks to you that I watched such a great anime, thanks Pgsels! :D

  34. Seregon says:

    Well started watching it…the drawing wasnt too good.

    The story is not understandable.

    For example: (Spoiler) At the beginning this electricity guy with the blond hair and Karasu got into a serious fight. They are in some kind of military organisation (knights of …). Well…alone attacking a comrade is in realty a serious crime (which leads to prison and removement from office) and on top of that failing the mission because of it is something to hide your ass the rest of your life. But no conesquence here. They can both participate in the next mission as if nothing happened.

    Its as if people in 15 years in future are complete dumbasses. Without rules and no strategy to catch a single girl…if its future pls dont just add some technology but also a damn brain to the people.

    And than he swaps sides and protects the girl. Why ? I cant see a reason, why he should kill some comrade and help her. It makes no sense at all. Leaving all the people in his dimension to die , because she gave him water..wtf.

    Thats some lame ass plot.

    Its just my guess but lets see: They send brainless people after them (not too many and too strong..because then the main chars would eventually die) and the protagonist and all good guys survive and are happy. End. Lame

  35. Jedman says:

    I really like the setting in this anime, would like to actually visit that part of japan in real life.

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Did they ever fix that emotionless dialgoue issue they had going on?
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Virgin Soul is going for a nice explosive ending. If no one writes a review, I would be willing to write one.
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Urasawa is preparing a new manga
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On the Amakusa Shiro reference in the fate review, I've seen a film about him from the 50s , theres also an old josei manga where the protagonist ends up becoming essentially regarded as him.
KTravlos
Hi Kaiser. Supposedly this is a re-imagining of the original story. Thus independent of the OVAs (old serieis). What exactly re-imagining means is something I and you do not know. We shall see. But it does mean that you do not need to watch the old series to enjoy this one. The OVA was definetly more expansive than the novels. So my guess is they will stick to the novels.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There's another anime, called Tytania based on his novels but I haven't seen that series.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As in condensable in the way nothing much is lost? I assume there are fillers in the original?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm indifferent to the aesthetics of the new version. What I'm hoping for is that it will be accessible to newcomers and that I'll be able to jump on to the old series where the new one leaves off. I've seen very little of the original and it was a long time ago, is there any way the story is condensable?
KTravlos
The fact that they stayed away from the disgusting new manga is great. I am not too keen on the CGI ships, but they also did not rankle. It looks like it will honor the spirit of the old series, and I cannot ask for more. I am a massive LOGH fan. And the new video out gives me hope of revisiting one of the greatest sci-fi/historical settings out there. I am happy.
AidanAK47
I hope they are using the old anime as a base and not the new Manga adaption. As that Manga adaption is seriously lacking.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I like that they blinged up the space battles which is good because those things could get tiresome. But I really hate the design of Yang Wenli. They made him look so much younger and bishi. I don't think i could take this guy seriously if he started one of Wenli's signature hypothesis.
Anonymous1408919
Thoughts on that new LOGH PV? My expectations were low, so I'm presently surprised. Obviously they made everybody pretty boys, and Mamoro Miyano is voicing Reinhard I believe. But art and animation actually looks pretty decent overall. It's a PV, and LOGH's best quality is it's story and characters, so we'll have to see if they remain faithful or not. But it's nice to see it get a visual overhaul.
AidanAK47
By the way this site has the first chapters but check the other versions to find them.
http://mangapark.me/manga/tsurezure-children-wakabayashi-toshiya
AidanAK47
@Mario, Indeed. It's also a pity that over half the couples in the manga were not featured. We only got a small taste of Patricia.
SuperMario
Or maybe I'll try to read the manga. The last time I checked it online, the site doesn't have its first few chapters
SuperMario
@Aidan: man, Tsurezure Children sure is sweet. Really sad to see it ends
AidanAK47
So that's the end of Tsurezure Children.
....I'm gonna need a second season. Now.
....NOW GODDAMNIT! NOW!
KTravlos
As I said I understand the criticisms to RE:Creator, but ultimately I enjoyed most of the show. It could had been better, and it is a missed chance. But I have seen worse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I gave up halfway through, there weren't even enough action scenes and those that were didn't justify waiting around for.
AidanAK47
Could have at least delivered on the action but that was rendered pointless due to the majority of the cast turning good and Altair being a complete cheat character.
AidanAK47
It would have been really fun to see characters discuss their stories with their creators or indulge in what our world has to offer but they really glossed over that part.
AidanAK47
It really should have gone deeper into the whole meta aspect introducing anime characters to the real world. Like they did with Mamika's powers being ridiculously destructive when outside a kid friendly setting.
AidanAK47
@Puran, I at least like the message of the final episode. But as for the show itself it was just missed potential on a lot of levels. I wanted Anime Genre battle royale and instead got a secondhand Shirobako with a crap shounen anime attached.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have been forgiving of Anno as I've gotten older.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also just re-watched gunbuster, I'd previously dismissed the ova after a few episodes when I was a teenager, I'd found it too slow, didn't have that issue with the 90 minute version I just finished. I've never see the sequels.
Lenlo
Ill have to finish Creators... at some point
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've been dipping back into the Lupin franchise, Gold of babylon was particularly screwball, kind of ridiculous comedy caper/adventure thing you just have to run with....turns out it was directed by a live action filmaker I especially like who made bizzare noir films in the 60s.
Puran
So that explains why Meteora had so much air time in Re:Creators. It's her story....

I hated the ending and I disliked the anime overall.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was a genuine surprise to see that Assayas decided to make a film framed around hentai =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I loved how incoherent demonlover was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The criticisms I'll give wind river, is a slight inconsistent performance from Renner and that very awkwardly inserted flashback scene.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: on Wind River, I agree it's a well-executed case of the week drama, although there are some plot pregressions that I don't get (how did they find out about the man's corspe again?). About Demonlover, man, the film gives me a chill down my spine. Heartless. And a bit misogynist.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: as much as I loved Wong (yeah I too prefer him over Malick), sometimes I do think Western cinema give him too much praise that sadly overshadow other Asian directors.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wong is important to me as a hong-kong filmaker, he offers something entirely different from the whole Woo/Lam Hong komg movies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: On a more positive note Maggie Cheung did mention that she felt her early work with Wong was when she first truly became a proper actress.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: ....I had no idea he had such a sad background.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*investigation drama
SuperMario
@Kaiser: that film also marked/ signified a rather sad period of Hongkong showbiz. Leslie Cheung badically lived the live of the protagonist and commited suicide in 1997. His girlfriend on screen, during the filming, was kidnaped, raped and taken topless picture. The damnest thing is that everyone knowed the culprit but did nothing, and in the press it was just deemed as "kipnapped and assaulted"
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wind river was a big surprise for me, just goes to show that with the right execution an ordinary police drama movie can be elevated higher.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Thats the interesting thing, tracking a directors career.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just binge watched the new dominion tank police ovas , admittedly these are kind of reptitive and extremely silly but its hard to hate on something so shamelessly fun that made me feel like a child again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: you said it there. DoBW is rather raw and unpolished but that's one of the reason why I am drawn to it more compare to his other works.
AidanAK47
In all honesty, it would be nice to finally see a continuation after fusion as all games after that have just been adding chapters in-between.
Vonter
Finally I wonder, if Metroid Prime 4 will definitely branch out of the main Metroid's continuity. It's curious how an interquel subseries is still going to add things in between the first and the second entries in the main franchise.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - I think is nice we can see both takes. Especially since neither one despite a few qualms are still very solid entries for this franchise. I just hope Metroid moves forward, as IMO this is the only game that really needed a facelift do to the heavy limitations of the gameboy. And I hope the secret gallery at the end is teasing how the producer plans to move the plot forward.
AidanAK47
I thought it might be like that but it's good to know they are at least on a close level. I didn't really want Samus Returns to replace AM2R as the "Definitive" version of Metroid 2. Mostly because a lot of love was put into AM2R andit came at a point when it felt Nintendo didn't give a crap about Metroid.
Vonter
Like Zero Mission there's something added to Samus Returns but I'll just leave it at that.
Vonter
I think both have strong points. Samus Returns have better boss battles, gameplay mechanics and more intense action pieces. AM2R IMO has more atmosphere, takes advantage of elements Nintendo don't even try like the Federation subplot, and the ending portion narratively has more heart in AM2R, while in Samus Returns it feels mostly like "the final level".
Vonter
I also did got lost a couple of times in Samus Returns and aside from the big water section in AM2R, the latter is more linear game.
Vonter
I think the controls in Samus Returns bring more to the table though. The 360 aiming makes for better ways to shoot enemies and some of the bosses take advantage of that. If it weren't for the 3DS giving hand cramps because you're holding L and R at several points it'll be completely the most ideal way to play.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - AM2R is very good, I think it has the advantage that because it uses sprites IMO backgrounds and enemies are more vibrant and easier to appreciate. The Federation soldiers are better executed in AM2R and that secret section with the ship is very eery.
AidanAK47
@Vonter, How does it stack up to AM2R? I bought it and am still waiting on it to be delivered but I have the feeling that AM2R would be the better game when comparing.
Vonter
I took me 12 hours to 100% and I've heard the best ending is beating it in less than 4 hours. I think unlike Zero Mission item percentage don't matter, it's mainly to unlock an art gallery.
Vonter
My main criticism is this being a 3DS game. Small enemies can be hard to see or appreciate. And I think the 3DS wasn't made for heavy action packed games like this or Smash Bros. I got the rubber from the circle pad come off in two occasions. Also unless there was something big in the background, several areas felt lacking in detail. Still Samus and the bosses look good.
Vonter
In terms of difficulty, the game has the enemies packing more damage than in other 2D Metroids. Is difficult in the sense than you can't tank damage as in other iterations, you have to be aware of enemy behavior and bosses mainly get easier do to familiarizing with their patterns, since I did die a lot each time I faced a new boss. And got used to kill them faster as I went along.
Vonter
Ok, so I beat Samus Returns. It's quite good. Unlike Fusion that had dialogue at midst the gameplay. Samus Returns only has a prologue of exposition and any cutscenes mainly accentuate the reactions of Samus confronting a new enemy. The level design is dense, despite having isolated areas like in Fusion and the original Samus Returns, each area is very mazelike.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: =< Awww I kind of like demonlover actually despite all its flaws, it had great sound design and had this cold, clinical, un-nerving mood to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Days of being wild does feel a bit un-realized/un-polished/rough compared to his other work definitely but its probably the rawest I've seen from him and that has its appeal.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Haven't seen farewell my concubine come to think of it. Regarding the scifi element I felt I embraced it more further into the film when it started to intermingle more.
While I am more forgiving toward Malick's recent films than most, that decline in quality means I have to pick Wong.
KTravlos
by the way in RE:Creators we probably will be getting a future series focusing on the hunt for Magane :p Meteora probably playing the role of detective. I also bet her novel will be wordy and heavy in exposition :p
KTravlos
i.e his end game might had been a cross-species revolution against him anyway. We will see
KTravlos
In Bahamut Chris proves to not be totally evil, but he is totally crazy. That said I am seeing one of my hunches getting supported, the hunch was that his cruelty towards daemons was with the purpose of bringing them down enough that they would be willing to work with humans as euals (As they are in Jean's army) and thus via that create a more unified world. I
KTravlos
RE: Creators has come to its end. I know the problems everyone has with it, and while it failed to raise to the level of exceptional show, I loved it. As I said, it had been years since a show kept me so excited episode after episode. They blew it at some point, but ultimately for me this is an en-joyful show, and one I would happily binge watch in the future again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: question for you though, between these two directors, which one do you prefer: Wong Kar-Wai or Terrance Malick?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: if you enjoyed both 2046 and In the Mood for Love, by all mean check out Days of Being Wild. The trio forms a loose trilogy and Days of Being Wild was the first film that Wong began his unique unconventional style. It's one of my personal favorite of Wong and it's a chance for you to watch the late Leslie Cheung acted (you might watch him already in Farewell My Concubine)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: 2046 is indeed a passionate film, and one of his best looking film. He tried something different in 2046 too, experimented with scifi (one of the best part in the film for me)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's stritcly Wong Kar Wai's romance we're talking about, since I don't find the rest of Chinese take on romance that interesting. Romance or melodrama is one of his main theme throughout his career
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was slightly overly long however.
I've also seen chungking express, in the mood for love and fallen angels. I think this Chinese take on romance is really clicking with me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I also thought it was a very passionette film and I love how Kar-wong-wai uses the music in it. I also think its one of his best looking films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I had a look at that Chinese film 2046, very effectively melancholic take on fleeting relationships while also successfully being quite sensual while staying classy and without ever showing too much. Tony Leung and Maggie Cheung are two beautiful people =P
SuperMario
for those who still want to catch up with 18if, episode 11 has a huge recap, while wrapping up the show with a new overarching plot. Hopefully they don't pull another Matrix here
SuperWooper
It's shounen-y for sure. The competitions have been my least favorite parts of the show so far. If you're still watching, you might appreciate it more once the Tenpei Cup is over.
Anonymous1399692
Damn Ballroom looks so good. But I really can't enjoy it despite that I want to. It has too many of these typical shounen moments and plot points I can't stand.
Anonymous1399684
Omae wa mou shindeiru
Lenlo
Mononoke is actually what made me find Ayakashi. Also a good show.
SuperMario
Regarding Ayakashi, I only watched the Mononoke segment
SuperMario
"It was a long, long trip, and we're coming finally to the end of the journey. Thank you, Manoyama and Chupacabra. And thank you, 5 EURO" - Sandal-san.
Lenlo
Ayakashi was great for me Kaiser. I enjoyed my time with it
Vonter212
@AidanAK47 - The hard aspect has been commented in several reviews with bosses being able to easily kill you. (Although in my experience it might be just getting a pattern). In terms of length most 2D games can be beaten under 3 hours. This one seems to clock at at least 6 to 15 if you want to collect everything. Then again, we'll see in subsequent playthroughs.
AidanAK47
`@Vonter. It's out now but I don't remember seeing anyone claim it's the longest hardest entry 2D wise.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Going to watch new dominion tank police next and read violence action and Oddman 11.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It took me years to get round to it, but I finally watched Ayakashi and as expected like most anthologies, again its mixed, the first is a solid ghost story that improves after a weak start, but that third one with the cat spirit was great, really liked how experimental that looked.
Vonter
Soo a new Metroid comes out this week. It is said, it's the longest, hardest entry in regards to the 2D iterations. Still not as great as Super, and depending on your fanaticism it might or not be as good as Zero Mission.
SuperMario
But they didn't pull that scene off too well. It's just... unmemorable. In fact the whole show is very unremarkable. Now only 1 episode left I might as well finish it but I won't give it a full review
SuperMario
Koi to Uso has been disappointing so far. Episode 10 featured the sequence that i was looking forward the most in the manga: the former classmate tells the one sided crush of the main girl from her POV. For a romance that contrived and manipulated like this one, hearing this from the third person's perspective prove to be more powerful
Vonter
@HelghastKillzone - Good luck with that. I almost had my car's engine damaged since it has been raining heavily where I live. Had to ask for help the next day to pull it out of mud. Still not as bad as the other three cars that did get stuck in the water.
HelghastKillzone
Dealing with work and the total loss of my car really sucks at the moment so I'm quite tied up for this week.
KTravlos
I do agree to a point, but to be frank all the episodes of Princess Principal to date have been so solid I have a hard time deciding. Episode 5 though was still the best from a holistic point (action, direction, music etc) was the one introducing Chise
SuperMario
Agree. Dorothy has the biggest heart out of all the spy girls. Also "help" that her episodes are all melodramatic.
Amagi
This episode of PrinPrin showed again that Dorothy is the best character by far. Not just herself but her episodes as well are better written than the rest if you ask me.
KTravlos
It just hit me. The characters in Princess Principal may be very well working for IngSoc :p
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, in the seven chapters it's only really two of them that contain dark shocking content. Chapter three being the biggest one in that regard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read a comment where someone said subahibi shocked them more than saya no uta. While I haven't played it yet, I have seen some of a letsplay...it lleft me thinking....how many hours until this actually gets good/truly unhinged .
AidanAK47
After Reading SubaHibi, Made in Abyss's dark turn didn't shock me too much. Maybe I just got desensitised. I will have a review of SubaHibi hopefully up in a week though to clarify my feelings on it after just finishing it, It was interesting but disappointing.
KTravlos
well, well. Both Made in the Abyss and Virgin Soul do not hold back. Grim! RE:Creators is warping up. Comparing with these other shows I can fully appreciate the problems people have with it. But still I am glad I am sticking to the end. Altair's voice actor by the way did great.
AidanAK47
@Helghast, And Kings Field was the Demon Souls before Demon Souls came out.
KTravlos
having binge watched several of this season's shows I would say Princess Principal is the most rounded. Made in Abyss is good. Kakegurui and The Reflection as SuperMario said will depend on your tastes. There is also Shouko no Altair. You will like it if you liked Tanya Saga of Evil, or Legend of Galactic Heroes, or Arslan Senki or manga like Vinland Saga, Gunka no Baltzar, and especially Historie
Anonymous1385641
Jesus...me watching this weeks Made in Abyss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ogzsWhZcmM
HelghastKillzone
So... Demon Souls was the Dark Souls before Dark Souls came out.
SuperMario
@anon1385426: the safest bets aside from Made in Abyss are Welcome to the Ballroom and Princess Principal. Kakegurui and the Refection are for more acqurired taste
Anonymous1385426
Aside from Made in Abyss, what's the best anime this season?
Lenlo
@KT, the pacing and the framerate early on are my two biggest issues. Later on the story starts to get abit more engaging, and they start doin things I didnt expect, but the pacing is still there. Some akward pauses.
Lenlo
Look, Berserk and Dark Souls are both amazing. But I only have 3 Dark Souls games, and 38 Berserk volumes. Im clearly biased
KTravlos
I sat down and watched the first 4 episodes of The Reflection. It is an interesting attempt, and I can see the people making it having fun doing so. But I did notice a pacing issue. For some reason the episodes felt like they dragged a bit too long.
AidanAK47
Dark Souls is the Berserk of Video Games.
Amagi
Dark Souls really went all Berserk if you ask me
AidanAK47
I am not one for putting down law but can we never ever compare anything to Dark Souls ever again? Cause it's actually become really tiresome how everything is the dark souls of something.
Lenlo
No other sentence has made me want to watch Made in Abyss more
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