Posted by psgels on 2 August 2006 with categories: Anime Reviews, Noein



Noein is an outstanding anime. Heck, at the moment, Mahou Shoujotai is the only anime I can think off which has made a bigger impact on me. This anime is that incredible. It’s a science-fiction series, but it cleverly stays away from all of the clichés that the other science-fiction shows are so often plagued by.

Noein has so many good qualities, I don’t know where to start. The story, for one, is something very simple, it contains some often used elements, though it’s extremely creative in what it does. So many interesting plot twists happen during the course of the anime. It really always leaves you guessing. The characters are also amazing. Noein features a huge range of characters, and for some reason it manages to fully develop, explore and give the player the chance to know them in only twenty-four episodes. The result is that you can’t help but care about them during the entire course of the anime.

The pacing also is another very interesting issue in Noein. During some episodes, mostly the intermezzo’s, the pacing is slow. Perhaps a bit too slow, but their contents made up for everything. At other times, the pacing is incredible. So many episodes feature events which succeed each other in an extremely rapid pacing. Surprisingly enough, nothing felt rushed at all.

The moment I saw this anime for the first time, I knew I was looking at something special. The first episode really contained something unique, and as the episodes progressed, the scenes began to get more amazing by the minute. Then, around episode ten, the episodes started to become incredibly good. episode 15 continued with the normal awesomeness, only for the last three episodes to whack me down with scenes which actually managed to be even better than the anime has ever been. The way it ended definately belongs in the category of amazing endings. Even though some issues were left unexplained (PHONE!!??).

And I haven’t even started talking about the graphics and music yet! Seriously, both of these departments are outstandingly done. The entire anime is done in a very experimental art style. Characters and animation look extremely messy, but somehow the effect this has is incredible. Especially if you combine this with the OST. It really is one of the best OSTs ever, and the creators really knew exactly when they had to use it. The battle scenes also are a huge joy to watch. This anime features some amazing looking battle choreography. This works especially good with the character art, as it becomes even more messy during these action scenes. Needless to say that the result is awesome.

Okay, so the anime has a few flaws when you look at the detail. Some of the technobabble may work confusing at times. Especially when you don’t know anything about physics. At times, Haruka may look a bit too much like a damsel in distress. And there are more things like these. But believe me, the good parts totally make up for these.

Overall, I seriously recommend you to check Noein out, if you haven’t already. It may be a science-fiction series, but most of the airtime is actually spent in a normal timezone, instead of the futuristic one. The art is awesome, the characters are awesome, and the antagonist is one of the freakiest one of his kind, able to play his role very well. Watching this anime was amazing. Really amazing.

35 Responses

  1. Anga says:

    I remember that I wrote something like this on anime forum after seeing first few episodes: “The plot is unique, but I’m not impressed yet.” I think that holds true even now. I don’t watch lot of scifi, because that genre has tendency to include many things I dislike. There were times when I was almost ready to drop Noein because of it’s technobabble, many shows that I watch fall into emo side so quite opposite thing.

    But yeah, music sounds good and the art is awesome. Very good series if considering that it’s scifi.

  2. TCoFA says:

    Though not having seen the last episode yet, I wish to to say I agree on pretty much here. I’d also like to add that a great element was the fact that they did not use SWORDS or anything like that. Nothing ninja, nothing medieval fantasy magic, but much more unique abilities, and very creative at them(though I found it obvious Karasu’s weapon was inspired by vines). And after a few episodes, you get used to the weirdness, and are actually getting to appreciate it so much more.

    But Noein offers so much more then just fighting scenes, and that’s a good thing. The characters were well denvelopped, and I loved how Atori became a nice guy, though I find it a flaw that he somewhat returned to his former self. Where I would have let him grow into a new personality if it woul’ve been my choice.
    The damsel in distress didn’t bother me much though, as Haruka is still a little girl hardly capable of controlling her own powers. She also tried to do things herself, and wether succesfull or not, she wasn’t waiting in a tower for Karasu to save her.

    The art was most definatley different, but not having seen too much anime, I don’t think it appaeled to me the way it appaeled to you. Still, I liked the style, and the music was very good too.

  3. Ryan A says:

    I like this review. Noein was damn amazing. I feel one thing that hold ppl back is the character design. The animation is spectacular like you say; the opening had my jaw on the floor, and it only got more intense and interesting.

    Though, all the concepts weren’t sound, the show generally had some fantastically different ways of presenting heros and villains. Great stuff.

  4. AND HAN says:

    I have to say noein is the best anime i’ve seen. I could almost cry at the end, not because it was sad or happy but because it was such a great anime. I hope they come out with a sequal, but than again, the story is pretty much over and I wouldn’t want the kids to be like 20 or so…

  5. psgels psgels says:

    Well, there indeed won’t be any chance of a sequel. I mean, Noein is dead, most things are resolved, and there just isn’t enough material for a second season. What we can hope for, though, is a new anime, done by the same team. Perhaps they’ll get back together one day and create another masterpiece.

  6. meg says:

    Noein is wonderful, and I can’t believe that the SciFi channel is actually showing even if its out of sequence. Still I keep wondering if there will be any sequels. At the end of episode 24, Noein said that ‘they’ would come back! What that means, I’m not sure, but that would imply that there is more to the Noein story. Hopefully it center on the characters when they are older.
    Also I have two question 1. What happened to Karasu at the end of episode 24, did he just disappear? And 2. What is the fate of Lacrima? I expected Lacrima to return to what it was before, into a beautiful place.
    Either way I am a major american fan of Noein and look forward to future projects by the anime team behind Noein!

  7. noein? says:

    I’m enjoying it so far (end of third series) even though are some flaws and some things left un dealt with such as the phone. what is really buging me though is the meaning of “noein”. Can anyone tell me what it means?

  8. psgels psgels says:

    It’s been too long since I finished this series, but if I remember correctly it’s some kind of obscure mythological figure.

  9. Max says:

    Noein might be related to the being/non being philosophy thema. You can read more below.

    parmenides and the sophis (history of Greek civilisation the being/not-being problem…)

  10. ippo says:

    I agree with the character design and the overall plot twist,but I felt so bored except during the fight scenes. Just random babble and SLOOOW! episodes. It was a good series but not to the standards you have for it IMO.

  11. nahrub says:

    i won’t call it ‘random babble’. everything was perfectly explain so that even an imbecile could follow. if you’re dragon ball type of guy, you’ll hate noein, if you don’t mind using you’re head for a change, you’ll grow to love it. it’ll put all time-traveling-dimension-crossing series/movies to shame.

  12. asdf says:

    Wow thanks to your blog I ran into this as well as El Cazador de la Bruja and Toward the Terra…

    This has got to be my favorite anime ever…just god damn…the fight scenes in this were better then animes BUILT around fighting, the story was so amazing and lots of plot twists and turns, the characters were just amazing as well…

  13. Elenmire says:

    I can’t believe to my eyes!
    I started to view Noein to verify his fame.
    I ended up feeling myself like crying -due to the strong effects on me I guess- in every single episode. I can’t find an appropriate adjective even in italian, my mother tongue. I just quote every words of yours.

  14. cdkobasiuk says:

    I loved Noein when I watched it by myself last year and just recently my 11 year old was whinning that she needed a new anime so I whipped Noein out for her and she watched the whole thing in two days. I watched it a gain with her and I loved it all over again. My daughter says it is now one of her favorites. She wasn’t bored by the techno talk and she loved the fight scenes and she enjoyed the character interactions a lot too. I’ll have to buy the box set for her for her birthday I’m sure.

    cdk

  15. lgp says:

    The box set is a must-have.

    I saw the first few episodes on SciFi channel and immediately pre-ordered the set, which I think I’ve now watched…maybe 5 times? Mostly in Japanese because I’m trying to learn that language–or at least, that’s my excuse.

    This work stays with you because it is not fluff. Every episode is an essay on the role of friendship and community (metaphorically, to echo Ai’s comments in La’Cryma during ep 24, ‘recognizing each other’) in keeping people sane and happy and getting folk through hard times.

    It also comments on such issues as making a conscious decision about how to react to loss or a bad situation, and how sometimes compassion itself can be self-destructive (if the dimension is going to be assimilated anyway why not tear down a dam now and give people a mundane death instead of having to face what may come? or on a larger scale, why not avoid painful futures by…..?) It also comments on not turning away from living life or retreating to fantasy just because life contains some suffering and the risk of pain.

    There’s a lot going on here in terms of philosophy, and overall it is optimistic–a future of infinite choice.

    Hakodate having escaped the fate of La’Cryma, I do wish I knew what happened to these kids in the future that they actually wind up with. Do they remember all that happened this incredible summer? Do they think it was all a dream, or play, or do they forget these events? Do they remain good friends, or drift apart? Do any of the things Noein used to mess with their heads actually come to pass in their dimension (we can guess that La’Cryma’s Fukuro lost his eye in a way similar to what Noein showed; La’Cryma’s Ai, however, stood on her own two feet. So, not everything Noein revealed was necessarily false, but neither was it necessarily true.)?

    As for the fate of LaCryma and its people…I refer you to Schroedinger’s cat. So long as you don’t look, the characters remain in an overlapped state of dimensions in which they are alive, and dimensions in which they are dead. Do you really want to open the box and collapse that ambiguous state into a certainty of life or of death?

    Besides, there’s probably a cadre of dimensions in which each possible outcome occurred; take your pick. ;)

  16. In which country do you live? :)

  17. mark says:

    Thank you SOOO much for blogging this great series !

    My wife just picked it up @ Right Stuf for 24.98 as a box set.What a steal ! We likely would not have heard of it right away without your help.

  18. TheBlaah says:

    While I like Noein and believe that it is a very unique anime, I personally don’t think it’s as good as this review makes it out to be. Many of the characters are indeed endearing and its focus on quantum physics was interesting, (I actually understood most of it since my friend is a physics major) the scifi and the “slice of life” portions of the anime just didn’t seem to mesh together well. Also, the talk about quantum physics eventually just became repetitive, even if you don’t watch the episodes back to back. The drastic changes in artstyles between episodes also threw me off a bit, and begs the question as to why they did it.

  19. Denizen says:

    I really do find it hard to believe I put off watching this for so long. It really is a masterpiece, and definitely one of the best anime I have ever seen.

  20. senerikfred says:

    Ahah. That really did turn out pretty well. I will say that half the time, the animation actually bordered on crappy, but much of the time(including the aforementioned crappy moments) managed to look cooler than a typical show that at least looks like it has a higher budget does.
    The main issue, though, is everything that they left unexplained. I could appreciate a few random details being unique to different universes, but there was the WTF phone, all the depth they could’ve given to Shangri-la, and whatever was going on with Atori and Kosagi made me feel like I missed something. Seriously, on that last one, did anything get explained with me completely spacing?

    Spoiler-y confusion rant to follow.
    Initially, I was annoyed by most of the characters, and Atori and Kosagi were two of the worst-yet, as the series built up, I grew to like them, and those two were pretty much my favorites. When Atori was going on about Sara, and then called Kosagi Sara, I came to the conclusion she was his sister, and that it’d be entirely natural for him to despise the angst bucket that ignored his sister’s feelings, and for Kosagi to be distancing herself from an unstable brother. And then it turns out that his real sister got blown up in whatever warzone they lived in, which explained Atori being not entirely sane, but made me wonder where Kosagi came in. Then they let the two of them get owned and just left it at that?

  21. AnimeAngel says:

    WOW, I read your review for this anime and I have spotted this anime before, but I passed it on, thinking it would be a stupid, kids are the saviors of the world thing. But after reading your review, I was interested in it and I’m so glad that I watched it!!
    ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING ANIME’S I’VE EVER SEEN!! Next to fantastic children.

  22. Toby says:

    Just finished watching this series and although id agree with much of what you said initially id have to disagree overall. While the characters begin compelling and the story interesting (i particularly liked the quantum mechanics side of it) it went downhill towards the end.

    While inconsistent animation i consider to be forgivable. Lackluster storytelling i dont. Towards the end the storyline just sort of slips away into hammy dialogue and completely arbitrary scenes. Theres no real progress, the characters dont feel like they take any action towards the impending peril and it just feels half baked.

    Ive always liked the idea of normal people being put into exceptional circumstances. It seems a very common thing for animes to have kids facing things well beyond their years. which lets face it, is an interesting idea. BUT the point is that they evolve and develop.

    This show suffers from the same reason ive stopped watching Naruto. While i feel Naruto at its peak (a long long long time ago) was a very good anime. It suffers now from the “lets get stronger” ideology. Which i find huugely frustrating. Watching a group of kids stand around saying “lets get stronger together” i find annoying. and to repeat it every episode (like naruto) or ever few (like Noein) is unbearable. Its as if rather than provide actual physical and emotional development to these characters its easier to just have them say “im determined to get stronger!”

    Its the same in Noein. Yuu in particular i found deeply annoying. For a character who had some much screen time he does very little for the story other than proclaim his weakness and desire to get stronger. Karasu on the other hand while being a powerful character and obviously one who creates alot of excellent action scenes throughout, says very little and his motives and dialogue is identical from something like episode 10 to the end. He yells at yuu every few minutes telling him to be stronger and he proclaims his will to protect haruka no matter what. Theres no conflict, no interest.

    I find a similiar show like eureka 7 to be by far better told/ better animiated and with a far more cohesive storyline to boot.

    Now this may come off as an incredibly negative review but in actual fact i watched all of it and had the ending been better my review may have been much more positive. That is to say i enjoyed much of it and kept watching, but the shows ultimate shortcommings left me feeling sour i suppose. it was a disappointment to see how it all ended.

  23. ~noein~ says:

    so whats noein means?

  24. vee says:

    Based solely on cover-art and blurb, I wouldn’t have picked Noein off the shelf in a million years if I hadn’t read your review. I still wasn’t absolutely sure, but I braced myself and paid for it based solely on the fact that I’ve enjoyed other series you’ve rated highly.

    I’m so glad I did. This was absolutely fantastic! I did have a few moments of irritation (mostly as Noein kept shoving his depressing future down Haruka’s throat, despite *multiple* episodes having already established and reinforced the lesson that each future was only a possibility, not a certainty), but despite this, I can’t remember the last anime I enjoyed so much.

    So anyway, this is just a quick note to thank you for recommending it.

    Thank you :).

  25. Dragne says:

    A pretty good anime, though I didn’t think it was nearly as good as you make it out to be. I like that it tried something different.

    One of my biggest problems was the art. I say art and not animation because I think it was animated very well. The art design was not my style and annoyed me to no end (when I say design I mean the actual way characters were drawn). I thought the animation worked nicely however.

    The music was alright, one track stood out but nothing else was memorable.

    The plot was a cross between the matrix and back to the future. Which I enjoyed but never found it engrossing. I think my biggest problem was that the story was about 12 year old children. I find this confusing because it makes the target audience rather ambiguous. Are twelve year olds supposed to understand quantum physics?

    Overall it was good and recommended but not the diamond in the rough I was expecting. Good review though, we just have differing opinions.

  26. Megris Vernin says:

    I thought Noein was a fairly good show. The English dub of it I checked was very nice. The inconsistent art style annoyed out me for a while, but was usually acceptable during the battle scenes it happened in. I liked that none of the characters, even Atori(he turned cool by the end :)), were one dimensional. Each of the characters had quite a lot of depth. I felt bad for Quinn(wrong spelling?), by the end that guy was almost a robot. I agree with another comment that this wasn’t my favorite anime ever or even top 10. Certainly even though certain aspects confused me I can still appreciate the excellent battle sequences and cool powers of the Dragon Soldiers. It didn’t hit that emotional patch for me that some anime do, but I thought by the end it had become damn near impressive. Definitely my favorite series I’ve seen in about 3 months surpassed only slightly by how much I enjoyed Angel Beats.

    Thanks for all of the reviews you have, and will hopefully continue to do.

  27. Noein fan1 says:

    I loved this anime when i first came across this anime i thought it would be stupid. But i was WRONG. Big time wrong. If anyone of you think that noein is bad you are sadly misstaken. This show is so good i watched the series at least 4 or 5 times. I just couldn’t stop watching this that I barly did anything, I really didn’t even eat that much because I was so int this show that I lost track of time and I ended up watching noein all day

  28. mbarbosa says:

    The so called “babble” is actually a legitimate field of study now. Its quite possible we have many dimensions. I just liked it due to its ability to go for the alternate versions. Its allot better to read quantum psychics before you watch or after. Because if you do before you go o i know what their saying. After it works too cause you go oh i see. lol makes you wonder how the other yous are like.

  29. LouNa says:

    to the ones of you who are asking about the meaning of the word “noein”… after a visit to the wikipedia page it seems that the word could refer to the ancient greek word νοεῖν which means “to think” , “to observe” and also to a coptic one which means “to tremble”.

    P.S one of the best animes i’ve watched !!

  30. oroboros says:

    Excellent anime, and thank you Pgsels for reviewing it. I would have never seen it if it wasn’t for your high praise.

    For me, as a scifi buff, I enjoyed the series. The science was plausible and the explanations were consistent.

    But as an artist, I had some reservations about the animation – its quality seemed to drop dramatically during action scenes (I mean, sketchy lines and no color – manga effect?) and the cgi scenes were repeated a gadzillion times. Also, some of the designs seemed similar from Tweeny Witches, but had none of that show’s brilliant animation.

    The story seemed to cover the same ground over and over – Haruka is kidnapped again! Nothing will stop Karasu from saving her!

    Also, I felt there was too little focus on the future dystopia or Shangri’la (probably for effect) and that leaves some threads open or unresolved.

    All in all, the show belongs in the category of great series, along with Evangelion, Revolutionary Girl Utena, and Magica Madoka.

  31. Vanny says:

    The plot is unique, but the pacing was too slow to my liking. I was on the verge of dropping the show, but I kept on watching anyways. The anime started to shine around the mid-end of the series and every episode after that was well done.

    Art was interesting, music was okay (very small selection but good soundtrack), character & development was good, and the ending was somewhat satisfying.
    I also cried on epi21 like you did >_<

    I'm just really annoyed they did not explain who was the mysterious old time traveler. At first I thought it could be another version of Yuu, but he didn't sound like him at all… He seems to be so knowledgeable about everything too.

  32. Cynthia says:

    I watched this series as I found it one time on a local channel. Basically, the channel was marathoning it, but the episodes were all out of order and it got marathoned several times in a row (or within hours of one marathon ending, another started). If you live in Canada, you might know the channel, IFC. Anyway, it was during the Christmas period of 2010, or around that time anyway, that I saw the dub. I only saw the dub, and I found the voice acting to be somewhat craptastic, but the story is good enough that it didn’t bother me much. To date, I haven’t yet hunted down the sub, and I know I really should. This series managed to be fascinating despite having, to me anyway, an odd animation style and a few annoying characters.

  33. kurini says:

    I just finished this anime! It’s pretty amazing!
    There is just a major thing I’m not satisfied with : THE PHONE CALL!

    It’s thanks to you that I watched such a great anime, thanks Pgsels! :D

  34. Seregon says:

    Well started watching it…the drawing wasnt too good.

    The story is not understandable.

    For example: (Spoiler) At the beginning this electricity guy with the blond hair and Karasu got into a serious fight. They are in some kind of military organisation (knights of …). Well…alone attacking a comrade is in realty a serious crime (which leads to prison and removement from office) and on top of that failing the mission because of it is something to hide your ass the rest of your life. But no conesquence here. They can both participate in the next mission as if nothing happened.

    Its as if people in 15 years in future are complete dumbasses. Without rules and no strategy to catch a single girl…if its future pls dont just add some technology but also a damn brain to the people.

    And than he swaps sides and protects the girl. Why ? I cant see a reason, why he should kill some comrade and help her. It makes no sense at all. Leaving all the people in his dimension to die , because she gave him water..wtf.

    Thats some lame ass plot.

    Its just my guess but lets see: They send brainless people after them (not too many and too strong..because then the main chars would eventually die) and the protagonist and all good guys survive and are happy. End. Lame

  35. Jedman says:

    I really like the setting in this anime, would like to actually visit that part of japan in real life.

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AidanAK47
Well to those whom it might concern, expect my posts to be later than usual this week. Work is hell at the moment.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have to say, this is probably a bit hypocritical, but while I enjoy dubs of anime I really really can't stand dubs of foreign films.
Lenlo
Simo Hayha would make a pretty crazy Archer.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine a fate strange fake adaptation will materialize eventually.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But everyone seems to want that Finnish sniper as a Fate servant .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Still no Mao, still mad.
Kaiser-Eoghan
....I have lost track of the historical characters in the fate lineup.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, to expand on that point the following historical figures are now female: Nero Claudius, Leonardo da Vinci, Frankenstein's Monster, Xuanzang, Jing Ke, Quetzalcoatl, Minamoto no Yoshitsune, Miyamoto Musashi, Okita Souji and many more to come.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I find it's an enjoyable watch though flawed. If you can get past some odd fanservice around the first ten episodes then I say it's worth watching.
Anonymous2133468
So i was thinking if i start watching, darling in the franxx, is worth it? or is just another 6/10 anime?
Lenlo
God damnit. Why Nasu. Just why.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, that ain't even Lewd.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In all seriousness its ridiculous, the Japanese will make a cute/moe girl out of anything.
AidanAK47
....Should I also mention that Francis Drake is a big boobed pirate queen?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Posting lewd images on a respectable chatbox.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, But none of these characters are in the anime adaptions. Well besides Jack and Saber.
Lenlo
Aidan, all this conversation did was prove that my decision to only ever watch the Ufotable adaptions was the correct decision.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, you can blame Extella for the Attlia the Hun thing. I wasn't too fond of it myself. Also should mention Attila is female as well.
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AidanAK47
Also Masky I will be the first to admit to the ridiculous aspects of the Fate Franchise but do take note that you are commenting on something you know literally nothing about. Which is the very definition of ignorance and is quite annoying. Fate/Zero nails the themes it's going for. So go watch Fate/Zero, come back and apologize.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Give it time. Genghis is getting in there eventually with Grand Order. We just had Anastasia and Salieri introduced after all. And it's not as if this story introduces Servants willy nilly, they need actual story purpose. Genghis Khan wouldn't have fit the Narrative that Fate/Zero was going for.
Lenlo
Wait Attila is an Alien and Edison is a Lion? God damnit Fate. Why are you doing this to me. I was already annoyed at your treatment of Musashi
Masky
(aliens existing in the show is good example of that missing on themes part xP)
Masky
*most successful conqueror
Masky
Honestly was just amused most conqueror of all time not being featured in the show :D But wait, whats this about aliens?
AidanAK47
Anyway the important thing to take into account is that in the Fate universe, King Arthur is a woman, Attila the Hun is an Alien, Thomas Edison is a lion and Jack the Ripper is a little girl in a dominatrix outfit. Any questions?
AidanAK47
And while you don't need to watch something to be given divine right to comment on ideas or themes, it does leave you ignorant of how that show handles those ideas and themes.
AidanAK47
As for the Historical Alexander, he wasn't given the title of King of Couquerors. Fate/Zeros interpretation of him was. As generally accurate Fates interpretation of Servents history can be, they can make changes to suit the narrative.
AidanAK47
In that Regard Alexander was doing the conquest thing before Ghengus did. Ghengus likely has some other title. Hell he may only have the title because public consciousness was is more familiar with Alexander than Ghengus.
AidanAK47
Yeah, looking it up seems the King Title lost quite a lot of meaning in the Nasuverse. Though the King Title is rather flimsy. I mean Arthur is the King of Knights cause of the Knights of the round table. Gil is king of heroes because his tale was the first Heroic myth.
Lenlo
I think Alexander was just the first one they thought of, and they couldnt retroactively give it to someone else.

That said, Broskander deserves it <3
Masky
(And no, you don't need to watch something to be given divine right to comment on ideas or themes of it.)
Masky
(just to note in case I need to note, I do tend to do at least cursory research when I make comments on stuff I don't watch)
Masky
That first part is semantics as Fate gives title "King" to historical figures who weren't kings already :D Also, you can make that argument about historical Alexander the Great? Since that seriously sounds like kind of weak reason.
AidanAK47
Also sees Rider as deserving of title of "King of Conquerors" because that which he strives to conquer most is not lands or material wealth, but the hearts of people, the toughest conquest that can be undertaken by anyone.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Ghengis Khan wasn't a king. He was a Khan.
Lenlo
Ghengis is always a Rider in my mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But in all seriousness, Ghengis would be an appropriate beserker servant.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: I know, it feels so wrong I'm still mad I can't summon Karl Marx or Stalin.
Masky
So wait, Fate series is about historical figures with super powers, but "King of Conquerors" title isn't given to Ghengis Khan? :D Seriously? Thats just so wrong
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't feel any point in finishing it, it feels like something that I'd just randomly drop , not because its a bad show, but because I got my fill of it.
AidanAK47
I am actually going to drop blogging it.
AidanAK47
@Sash, indeed. I have been watching it but not blogging it for the last few episodes because it just hasn't givne me anything to say. I don't think it's a bad show but I have pointed out the flaws and strengths of it already so there is truly nothing more to say on it.
Sash
I think wotakoi is starting to feel repetitive..
Kaiser-Eoghan
You are now aware Shana and Batman Ninja Harelequinn are both voiced by Rie kugimiya.
Lenlo
I did. It was... It was a thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Did you end up watching Batman ninja by the way?
Lenlo
Music is great, yeah. When the music is on point, everything goes up. Everytime the sync the fight/punches to the music I just get hyped. Like the rotating shot with Aragaki or the first fight in episode 1.
Lenlo
Ill do my best to be clearer in the future on that front. Yeah, I dont mind twists like this. Makes the inevitable Mikio fight, narratively, even better.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel the music does alot of the lifting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh, so that was it.
Lenlo
Sorry if I never made that clear.
Lenlo
I would rather have fewer, amazing, fights than a lot of low-quality fights. This is a one cour show, the more meaning/impact they can give each fight the better.

Like Aragaki, narratively, was great. Loved it. Its just in animation/choreography that it falls flat.
Lenlo
Im disappointed with the animation of the fights. Narratively, I think they are quite good.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*disappointed with the fights in past episodes
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Pretty much what I said I thought of the episode. Although I was surprised how took the episodes ending, I expected you to see it as a slap in the face after being disappointed with the fights.
Lenlo
Also, @Kaiser, I thought Megalo Box did something unique this episode. I wasn't expecting Joe to *not* fight. And the Mikio/Yukiko proxy war is an interesting character motivation. Im betting Yukiko will get Joe a full citizenship, effectively getting her on his side.
Lenlo
I wish I was physically capable of watching Megalo Box without thinking of Hajime no Ippo. I really do. But everytime I watch it, it makes me want to watch Ippo again to.
Anonymous2120908
I watched some more of the Chimera family chinese anime. (Wasn't aware it was monthly released). And geez, I like the concept, the background art is very pretty and contrasts with settings that have become tired in other anime. Yet sadly the animation and script are WEAK. I haven't grasped the quality of what's expected of these types of production but I want to believe, they're trying.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Not much in the way of action in megalobox this week, but I did like the focus on Yukkiko getting a small character moment and then the big moment at episodes end .
AidanAK47
@Anon, That's some lazy ass trolling buddy. Should have stopped before the hashtags.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm even sort of looking forward to supposedly less respectable stuff like Goblin slayer and happy sugar life.
Vonter
Also E3 is almost here. And I can't wait. I think Nintendo will have a good show considering they're revealing the new Smash with a tournament. There's rumors of the new game by Retro Studios (Metroid Prime and Donkey Kong) and maybe they'll reveal something about how Pokemon will be on the Switch.
Vonter
Also there's always the chance of something new being discovered. Not everything needs expectations behind. Sometimes great things come out of nowhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So yes, there are some at least decent shows coming out.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Muh Baki, Muh Bananna fish, muh made in abyss season 2, muh Vinland.
Anonymous2119906
The rest of this year looks like shit for anime and 2019 doesn't look great either #fuckmoe #makeanimegreatagain
Anonymous2119214
@Kaiser yeah it happened in half the amount of eps this time around for steins gate 0; which i expected considering there's a lot of ground to cover
Anonymous2119106
@Supermario Something like Fate or the LOTR films are a different case. I get where you're coming from about your preference, but I'm arguing that if a large story is going to be split into 3 films, it helps that the 3 films feel cleanly cut. Infinity war, even though we know there's a second part to the story, feels like it has that cohesive narrative structure with a beginning, middle, and end
Anonymous2119106
@Super Mario yea but the marvel movies are a different situation so i don't think the comparison is as appropriate. Marvel movies are "episodic" in nature rather than a continuous narrative. The films are largely isolated stories that are happening in a similar universe that only happen to "congeal" narratively because of a few overarching details shared between films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I remember when the original series suddenly shifted and got going and it was a really depressing episode.
Lenlo
Oh baby. The storm has finally come in Steins;Gate. Let the true suffering commence
SuperMario
@anon2118276: that's why I don't like LoTR trilogy. It's still a whole body chopped up in 3 parts, despite how clean the cut is. Whereas for me it works better if it was like a branch in a tree. The Marvel movies (despite my disinterest on those) are a good example of this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I did feel some of this weeks steins gate felt fillery, I do like see these characters interact and given the episodes conclusion, this episode acted as a calm before the storm.
Lenlo
Ill agree with you on King Kong. As for the Ralph Bakshi LotR, I have. I am still to this day impressed by the overlay of 2D art onto real/overexposed footage. It makes for shockingly fluid animation in places and has its own distinct style
Anonymous2118208
@Lenlo - Have you watched the old Ralph Bakshi adaptation of the first two books? It's uneven, but it's interesting comparing and contrasting certain decisions. As good as Peter Jackson is, I feel he makes very longwinded films, I like his version of King Kong a lot, but it is too long.
Anonymous2118276
@supermario i disagree; the point is that even though the LOTH films have cliffhanger endings, they still feel like fils. they have a defined first second and third act with well paced tension and release throughout them. They follow a storytelling macrostructure necessary for films to feel like cohesive narratives even if they are to end on a cliffhanger
Lenlo
I quite liked the individual LOTR movie just fyi
Vonter
Marvel surprisingly has kept their movies simple enough, that while you might miss details nowadays, you can tell what's happening.
Vonter
Another bad case is like with Assassin's Creed, which like Lost, just tried to tease a lot of things, then it grew tired of trying to piece them together and let the last games work more standalone, with little hints of a larger lore.
Vonter
Metroid does both, it has a standalone story and a hint to what a sequel might bring. Though that hint rarely matters by the time the new game is released.
Vonter
@SuperMario - Some videogames trilogies also do that. Gears of War and God of War had good standalone beginnings but by the second game they put cliffhanging endings. Kingdom Hearts does that and I expect 3 to also do it. Megaman Legends and Half Life had incomplete stories, which might be the worse case in regards to trying to make a continuous story.
SuperMario
It ruins the appetite
SuperMario
I actually think Lord of the Rings' trilogy is a bad example to follow. These films are meant to be viewed as a whole, so each film doesn't hold much as an individual story. I just can't digest films that have "to be continued" sign at the end. Imagine having a first course meal and then have to wait for few days for second course
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the current topic, I would be well for the production of a long running, ambitious ova series.
Anonymous2116425
then again, i don't take too much issue with these films feeling like movie-sized eps...the wait just sucks is all
Anonymous2116425
clearly the films need each other to tell the whole story, yet they can be taken for what they are in isolation as well
Anonymous2116425
I don't mind the trilogy trend at all; like Aidan said, when everything is said and done, all the films will be available to watch. I just think a stronger attempt should be made to make them feel like complete films. Something like the lord of the rings trilogy is a great example of how to do this
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am in full confidence that neither I nor Miura will survive to the end of berserk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course maybe they won't have a future , think about it that way, then they'd never see it, life has that weird way of being unpredictable like that =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
You can always rewatch them just before watching the one after.
AidanAK47
Of course not. But that's the thing. The wait is only a temporary problem. Anyone in the future will have all movies ready to view.
SuperMario
So it's best to wait for another 2 years to watch Heaven's Feel? Hell NOT
AidanAK47
When all the movies come out though you can basically barrel through it like a TV series.
SuperMario
Dangit, it's me Mario
Anonymous2115918
I still don't know if I like this trilogy trend. We've had a fair bun h of those in recent years (Berserk Golden Age, Madoka, even Kizumonogatari). I guess doing it that way, they'd make much more profits, and we have higher production values, but the wait is way too long and I don't think it works as movie-format
Kaiser-Eoghan
One of the very rare times where self-awareness works.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can be nice and say of course Ryan Reynolds+ violence, comic was funnier.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: But I'm sure if you think it over, the first deadpool was trapped in origin story mode, as an advantage, the sequel, is probably free of that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Deadpool 2 had John Wicks director, which at the least means something in terms of action direction.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: There was a whole run of deadpool issues called Cable and deadpool, which I suppose that pairing together gets the best out of the character.
AidanAK47
Seen Deadpool 2 tonight and I have difficultly deciding if it's better or worse than Deadpool 1. Still it's quite fun and I enjoyed it.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I feel somewhat similar in regards to Franxx. When this series finishes I won't be singing high praises for it. Yet I do feel that it's worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Now I get ya. Yeah I understand that. I might even feel the same if I didn't already know the story from the VN.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, The second film seems to be in cinema this year but we won't get it until it hits blu-ray.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: As I expected, I am disappointed that they have held back . And you might just be right about Castrollop/Caligula/Nero, when I originally attempted to watch the show years ago, that was the episode I stopped on.
KTravlos
Yang really is stealing the show this time. But I wanted the "Alcohol is mankind's oldest friend" rant. I need it.
KTravlos
my expectation is that they will take this to the Battle of Armistar, and then the films will cover the dual civil wars etc.
KTravlos
...CASTROP REBELLION! Why the hell sacrifice an episode to the most useless and bad part of the original! I hated that episode. Well let us see if they can give it a better twist this time around.
KTravlos
The Iserlohn arc at LGOGH:NT was ok. I liked how they presented the preparations. I like the new Murai face. The music was quite good. But they did tone the violence. I expected Walter to stab the imperial officer in the neck. They have toned down the violence a lot. And I missed Seeckts "Long live the Empire" death. That said it was not bad, and I think in general it was good adaption. But....
Anonymous2115268
for example, I think Darling in the franxx is pretty average, but that's not because i think it doesn't have cool shit in it or things that make it appealing; I just find that what the show tries to achieve is not that stupendous or worth lauding with praise. As a result, the flaws stick out that much more to me
Anonymous2115268
@Lenlo and that's pretty much how i felt. Everything is subject to criticism; hell i criticize my most favorite things in the world because i know they're not perfect. I evaluate art and media on whether what it achieves overshadows the flaws and to what degree. Which i think is the best way to approach criticism
Lenlo
I want to repeat though, Heavens Feel wasn't bad. I know some people take any criticism to mean I hated it, but I actually quite enjoyed it. I just think ill appreciate/enjoy it more once the other 2 movies are also out.
Lenlo
@Anon, you nailed it. I couldnt describe it, but what you said /feels/ right.

And Aidan, I loved Lindsay Ellis's videos on the whole Hobbit debacle. A shame, cause the original Lord of the Rings is a landmark in film for me.
Amagi
@Aidan: Do we know if the next HF movie will be finished this year?
Amagi
I love how and how often they say "Fujimi no Sugimoto" in Golden Kamuy. It's pretty hype for some reason, especially when it's said by his enemies.
Anonymous2114206
yea. heaven's feel is nothing like the situation with peter jackson's hobbit; this story needs this many movies and that large runtime. The thing with these heavens feel films that is probably bothering lenlo is that they feel like very long episodes and that particularly the first film felt like a giant prologue rather than a film with a beginning, middle, and end
AidanAK47
And just to make it clear, Heavens Feel needs at least three movies to cover the entire story. It's too big for one movie.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I ain't unhappy about it though. Sucks that I need to wait so long for each movie but there is higher production values as a result. Though in regards to the Hobbit I recommend watching Lindseys Eillis videos on it. As it not only talks about how it screwed the Hobbit but also how the movies screwed New Zealand.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I could never immerse myself in Tolkienistic world building.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Man, the hobbit, lord of the rings and that shit king kong film, he sold out so much , this was the man who gave me Heavenly creatures , Braindead and Feebles.
Lenlo
It is very beautiful indeed. And Aidan, that Hobbit metaphor made me weep for you. I hated what happened to the Hobbit
Anonymous2112805
other than that; HF is a very beautiful looking film; ufotable has improved with their digital compositions...holy crap
Anonymous2112805
heaven's feel seems to be embracing its more horrific elements. Aside from that, watching this film made me realize how much i prefer rin over the rest of the girls; kinda wish we got to spend a bit more time understanding Sakura's psyche in the film
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: This was part of some film fest thing, ended up missing big fish Begonia though, that Chinese animated thing =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: they'd invited him to introduce the flick.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Had this really unexpected run in, in my nearest arthouse cinema, seeing some film about the Soviet space program , I bump into this eastern European guy, assume he's an audience member, awkwardly say something in Russian to him, turns out he's the Russian federation ambassador to Ireland.
AidanAK47
It's sort of the hobbit situation where they chopped one book into three. Expect here we aren't getting extra fluff to pad things out. Well there are extra scenes but they are actually relevant.
Point is that in it's orignal form there are no stopping points here were you need to wait a year to continue. It was a straight story from start to finish.
AidanAK47
Well Fate is essentially the tutorial section that introduces most of the concepts and whatnot. But even then some of the things here are explained later in Heaven's Feel. Cause yeah, not only is the Fate/Stay Night VN not supposed to be split up into three seperate things, the routes aren't supposed to be split into movies either.
Lenlo
Im only familiar with the UBW route, cause Ufotable
Lenlo
I see.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, In a way there is. Heaven's Feel was originally meant to be experience after the Fate and UBW routes of the VN. That the thing Fate/Stay Night has struggled with. It's not meant to be split up into three like this. It's originally supposed to be three parts of a whole. Each route complementing another.
Nayrael
And so am I
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Its like....sometimes I actually want to be able to like something I end up not liking, knowing I am the problem and not the show.
Anonymous2110797
Spoiler alaert: anime is trash
Lenlo
I can understand that. I cant stand Clannad, so everytime I ask for a decent romance and it gets recommended I die alittle inside.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While thats very true that not everyone agreeing does make things more interesting, at the same time theres some sense of feeling left out when not understanding the appeal of something extremely well loved.
Lenlo
Also @Maskey +1. If everyone agreed with each other, it would be boring. I love hearing what other people think on stuff.
Lenlo
Also, @Kaiser, give Ippo a try. It is one of the longest running and best sports anime/manga ever made. I sincerely believe this. That said, Megalo Box isnt bad. I still enjoy it. Ive just seen boxing done better.
Lenlo
It wasnt a bad movie. It just felt like it had a lot going on. Like Gil had a 30 sec clip, I don't really understand what the ribbon monster is but I suspect its the grail, and the new Assassin pulling an Alien, while cool, came out of left field. Like, once I just accepted it and moved on it was a fun movie. It just felt like there was a base of knowledge I needed but didnt have.
Masky
Eh, its okay to not like something that someone else likes. I disagree rather often with blog writers' opinions here but I still enjoy reading their opinions
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: There was a another idolmaster show and it had mecha in it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Based on that I think I'm getting more out of it because I've only seen a few ippo episodes so I don't have much to go on to compare.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think thats the reason here Lenlo, comparatively to you, I have seen much less of ippo so, contrasting megalo box with it isn't something I can really do.
AidanAK47
But seriously, you can ask me on discord about anything you didn't quite get, provided it's not explained later.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, you are just a big dumb dumb that cannot understand art.
SuperMario
... more films coming soon
SuperMario
@Lenlo: maybe wanting more is a right feeling since there will be 2
Lenlo
So just finished Heavens Feel and I was... not as impressed as Aidan. As someone who is not a big TypeMoon fan, I had a lot of trouble keeping up with what was happening. It was pretty don't get me wrong. Thats Ufotable for you. But as a cohesive story it left me wanting
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