Posted by psgels on 28 September 2006 with categories: Anime Reviews


Ouran is a high-school comedy-drama with a twist: the school this anime takes place in is only for the children of the richest parents in Japan. It’s meant for those children who are able to spend a huge amount of money. The only way for non-rich people to get in the school is to have exceptionally good grades.

Well then, for some reason, rich people don’t have to do any homework, so they huge amounts of time to spend. This anime is about the Host Club of this school. It’s basically a way for the rich people to spend their time. The club consists out of a group of bishounen, who all entertain the ladies who come to the host club. Then, a female, pretending to be a male joins the club, and the anime starts.

Ouran’s strength is its novelty. The bad thing is that it doesn’t seem to realize this. I’m afraid to say it, but most of the episodes, this anime just keeps milking on old concepts they already tried, up to the point at which things just become incredibly boring. An example of this is our main character’s sarcasm. When this gets used in the first episode, it’s funny. Same in the second episode. But when she reacts the same way in over twenty episodes, the fun quickly dies. It’s a darn shame, as the episodes which introduce new things really worked out. Both in comedy as in drama.

You can really see this in the episodes in which one or two particular characters stand in the spotlights. All these episodes basically to is retell things from other episodes, only a bit changed and twisted in order to make them look unique. It’s also strange that the annoying characters get three or four episodes for themselves, while another character doesn’t get even half of an episode. Still, this made the latter one of the better characters.

Still, I have to admit, in terms of character development, the characters of Ouran are very fleshed out. The episodes do give characters the chance of showing their unique cases, and later in the series, you can spot the changes. While this does look boring the moment when you see it, the overall picture that this gives is impressive.

Like I said, some of the characters are unique. Others, however, do not fit in this anime. The image of a small, cute, cuddly child who happens to be the strongest master of martial arts on the planet was just too forced. I also didn’t like the fact that being the richest also automatically means being the strongest, smartest, best, or any other superior element. The creators also didn’t really attempt to deviate from this, apart from having a main character who’s poor. But even then there’s no emphasis put on this, which is a shame, as it’s an interesting subject.

Overall, Ouran did have its very good moments. Some episodes were just hilarious. It’s just too bad that these good episodes were surrounded by bad episodes. Still, it remains a fairly good comedy, and the drama aspects were fine. It’ll be a fine watch, although boring at times.

30 Responses

  1. I think the great speciality in Ouran lies in the face expressions. They were such a great laugh sometimes, and I haven’t seen another anime that can be so funny just in the face expressions.

    Further it’s just like you said. Ouran can be fun but overall, it’s also very boring.

  2. Angelle says:

    I think the mangaka intentionally created weird, stereotypical characters (such as the cutest looking one is the oldest, the guy with the glasses thinks only about profit, etc.) so that we realize the stupidity through the eyes of sarcasm girl. Furthermore, you cannot expect drastic character changes because in real life, nobody changes that fast within one year. That is another strength of the show; the characters develop just a little. ^^”
    I do agree though that there were some boring moments, for me especially in the middle with all the forced drama and hardly anything enlightening in between.

  3. helspectre says:

    you know, of all the people and things and Ouran, I’m only interesting in Tamaki and Kyouya mainly. The rest are a tad wierd.

  4. Bri says:

    I LUV THIS ANIME!!!! I HOPE THEY DECIDE TO SHOW A SECIND SEASON!!!!! IF NOT IM SUEING!!!! -kisses to Hikaru!!!!!- I HEART U!!!!! -and to Kaoru as well-…. they’re all hot but the twins..are the hottest!!!

  5. jennifer says:

    I love tamaki! he is my favourite whos your favourite?

  6. psgels psgels says:

    Mori, of course. :P

  7. Imbroco says:

    I’ve got to disagree with this one — it’s one of my all time favorites. I found it both touching and uproarious. Simply my oppinion, but I’d give it at least a 95.

  8. demon says:

    hmm..think anime is funny…good comedy? yea…and the characters are kinda cute…[ hot..like u guys said ] the face expression is very good too~ thats why i love it..i am nvr bored about it…[ but still…sometimes] but overall…like u all said…its a nice anime..XD

  9. Sakura says:

    I love….Tamaki he’s so kawaii

  10. HITACHIIN FANS! says:

    This anime is awsome! I can’t express it but I’m totally addicting to it!!! but sadlly, there is no 2nd season, I’m sure of it! my fav. character is kyouya and hikaru! I can’t write Hika/Haru fics coz of Kaoru!when I’m almost done writting my masterpiece and the main role was Haru/hika but when it came at the end at the last minute i said : Wait! What happens to Kaoru then?!” sometimes I feel like Kaoru is in the way of his brother and haruhi’s relationship although he means well, he is willing to sacrifice his love for haruhi and supprot his broother…so I always ended up always making it Kyouya and Haruhi fics….I don’t like Tamaki! I kinda Hate him…most of the twins’ fans never did like him, but now their hatred for him outright by demanding he cease anywhere near Haruhi! You rock guys!

    Hands down to Bisco HAtori!

  11. Jamila says:

    I can’t agree, especially, because you don’t seem to get that it’s a parody of all shojos that do that.

  12. Oya says:

    Hm…I think that this anime isn’t as bad as you had review.
    I had good fun watching it!

  13. JUST CALL ME PISSED OURAN FANGIRL! >. says:

    ……..I’M SORRY BUT WHO THE FUCKING HELL R U 2 SAY “THIS IS A CRAPPY SERIES”!!!!!!! >_.

  14. Serenade says:

    I disagree with the rating! D8 (Objection~!)

    Ouran is /meant/ to be outrageously stereoptypical and annoying — to the point of hilarious. It’s crazy, random, overdramatic, loud, flamboyant… and that’s its very purpose.

    The ultimate strength of the anime is its characters; each has his/her specific place and specialty (Tamaki – king, Kyouya – Scrooge, Haruhi – sarcastic voice of reason), but as the show progresses (in between bouts of laughter) we find that these characters actually do not fit solely into their outrageous stereotypes. They are simply people, and as Tamaki says, contradictions are what makes a personality.

    And personally, I didn’t find any of the characters annoying — not even Renge, after a while. The point is not to take them seriously, because 90% of the time, they’re just being crazy teenagers. I love Honey-senpai, and I never tire of Haruhi’s cynical, down-to-earth comments. I think that the show’s absolute insanity is perfectly interspersed with touches of reality (from the poor folk, o’ course).

    It’s really great; you just have to go with the eccentric flow. I’d give it a 90+.

  15. Serenade says:

    Mah favoritez are Hikaru/Kaoru. =3

  16. stephen007 says:

    Oh man, I too will have to disagree with this review, well as they say everyone has their own thoughts and views. I’d probably rate this one 90+, and i think majority of people who watched this series will do so…

  17. Stephen007 says:

    Wow, the way you explained your thoughts about this series is well done! You also pointed out things that most Ouran Fans wouldn’t notice. A very interesting point of view, i think the reason youre able to point them out us because you’ve already watched ALOT of anime series (Was it 300+?). Which probably makes you a good critic of anime. People who watched only a few series will probably think youre nuts considering ouran might be one of the best of those few series that they have, hahaha.

    BUT STILL, i have to say the score is TOO LOW, i will still rate it around 90 or above. Were all waiting for you to change the rating and make it higher or expect alot more angry mobs for this blog. lolz

  18. ceillo says:

    I think your expectation for this series was too high. It’s a comedy and it was made to make people laugh. I for one couldn’t stop laughing while I watched this, and I still did the second time around. The great thing about this anime was of course the animation, it was absolutely gorgeous. I really appreciated this aspect when I watched Special A, god that was pitiful. Overall I would rate Ouran High School Host Club 89+ for a job well done.

  19. monica says:

    um…i thought this anime series was great. it was hilarious but ceillo dont diss special a. it was a pretty good anime though ouran high school host club is way better. i found special A a decent series. i felt like i had to say thid since you were the only one who mentioned it. i would rate ouran high school host club 95+, oh yeah why is everyone giving it a 90+. please give this anime higher ratings!

  20. Sarah says:

    “I also didn’t like the fact that being the richest also automatically means being the strongest, smartest, best, or any other superior element. The creators also didn’t really attempt to deviate from this, apart from having a main character who’s poor.”
    I can agree with you, if you took this series at the same level as all other series. However, that is precisely why I cannot. This series is a parody and that’s why you can’t really judge it on that basis since what you just commented on was exactly what the makers wanted to comment on. This show pokes fun of anime stereotypes/cliches (especially character cliches). Also, if anything seemed forced, like Honey’s character (which I agree with) it is likely a result of this ‘parody’ or because the anime producers had to wrap things up without including full character development (the manga didn’t finish yet). Or it could be a combo of the two.

  21. Sarah says:

    Sorry, one more thing to add. One thing I really do agree on is Haruhi. I really don’t think she was developed enough in comparison to the rest of the characters, in particular the twins and Tamaki who received amazing development, and yes, she did end up seeming a bit stale. But once again – I think the reason was because the manga didn’t end yet. The last episode gave a bit more insight into her character at least.

  22. Gaby says:

    I see how you can think this, a favorite of yours being Utena. Ouran just parodies what Utena deconstructs. Just look at the concept of princes of each show – Tamaki’s behavior in Ouran, and Akio in Utena, along with the many, many other ways the latter toys with the idea. Ouran just seems silly in comparison.

    You can find nice characters and sentimentality anywhere.

  23. Mallorie says:

    One of my favorite aspects of Ouran was the parody angle. Stereotypes were taken to over-the-top levels intentionally, and for the sake of comedy, and it really worked for the series.

    Wish Hunny and Mori got fleshed out a little more, and I agree with some of your criticisms on Haruhi. However, I also agree with Sarah, in that the last two episodes helped her grow a little.

  24. Kitty says:

    I fear the author, unfortunately, didn’t pick up on the subtle satire this anime so artfully utilizes.

  25. Miru-kun says:

    Please read this long message before jumping to conclusions.

    I first heard of Ouran in 2008 from a fanmade video on Youtube. Since I needed a new anime to watch I decided to try it out. I have to say this truthfully, when I first watched it the internet was very slow and I could only get through half of the first episode and that was enough for me. I was bored and thought nothing about it, but kept it on my long list of animes I never finished just in case it popped up in a conversation; never watched it though.
    Now it is the great year of 2010 and I’m looking for an anime site to watch new animes. I asked my friend for a site and she asked me what animes I had already finished (at this point in time I had only finished one series with a lot that I hadn’t watched completely). She asked for a list of animes that I hadn’t finished and I told her the list that included Ouran; she said I needed to finish that one first and then she would give me the sites, so of course I watched it.
    I don’t know what happened the first time I watched, but I instantly became hooked all the way until the last episode, in which I cried because it was over (I’m a huge wuss). Ouran to that date is my all time favorite anime, so much that I told all my friends about it and made my cousin watch it. They loved it too. If I had to rate it I’d give it a 90/100. No anime is perfect, but few are good enough to make me cry and laugh so hard. It’s comedy and it’s supposed to make you laugh with sterotypes and other annoying things. Some how the characters weren’t the usual sterotype though. Tamaki can come off as the blonde airhead that only cares about his beauty, but he so much more than that.
    Still have to disagree with that rating like most of the people here.
    (I’m a Kyoya fan by the way :)

  26. Firechick says:

    I don’t disrespect your opinion, psgels, but I will admit that I really like this anime (though I need to finish watching the dub). You also forgot to mention that Haruhi (sarcasm girl) isn’t one of those whiny female leads who need to be rescued and scooped up by bishounen every 3 seconds (*coughHakuokicough*) and actually tries to be independent. That’s what I mostly like about her. This is one of the first 26 episode anime that I actually managed to finish watching when I began becoming ambitious about anime (when I was around 12-13 years old). I do kind of feel that you rated this a tad low.

  27. bia says:

    i began re-watching ouran for the last 3 days and boy,it reminded me of how much i love it.
    for me ouran is a rare find,i have never enjoyed an anime this much and rewatched it so many times i’ve lost count.the characters are pretty likeable,sometimes downright hilarious especially tamaki.
    the only thing i didn’t like was the ending it felt like it was forced.but overall i had so much fun watching ouran.i honestly think this deserves a 90+ rating.

  28. bia says:

    i began re-watching ouran for the last 3 days and boy,it reminded me of how much i love it.
    for me ouran is a rare find,i have never enjoyed an anime this much and rewatched it so many times i’ve lost count.the characters are pretty likeable,sometimes downright hilarious especially tamaki.
    the only thing i didn’t like was the ending it felt like it was forced.but overall i had so much fun watching ouran.i honestly think this deserves a 90+ rating.

  29. ManuOtaku says:

    Psgels i respect your opinion, and this is my second years seen your reviews, and strongly believe that you have a keen eye to capture the failures and good points for animes on all departments.
    Having said that i think you didnt get ouran for what it is a very well done satire, a good reverse harem with really strong characters (over the top i must say), i believe you only had two missteps on all your reviews, this one of course and welcome to the NHK, both of these series are really special and deserve it a better score comming from you, but like i said is your opinion and i respect, but do not share it though.

  30. kura says:

    I can’t agree with your review. It took me just 2 episodes to run out to the book store and purchase all the available Ouran manga volumes. This anime is one of the best that I’ve ever watched, whether in animation quality, humour and characterization. There may not have been much of a plot but it is understandable as the anime covers a small part of the manga. The ending of the anime might not have been so good because it was a filler made up by the anime production team but I still love this series. I’d rate it a 95/100 imo.

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Anonymous3321080
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Also Mahou Spec Ops... Is interestingly bad. It tries to be exploitative and shocking but feels very sloppy, kinda like that meme of *slow heavy metal music plays* It also wants to play it like a dark shoujo anime, but the cute monsters are just distracting.
Anonymous3321080
Reading your conversations about idols, despite being mediocre Gokudolls and Ore Mahou Shoujo made jabs at that culture. At least painting some aspects that may be true of how exploitative it is. I suppose because those are subpar, over the top and cheap is what they can do that. Can't remember one aside from Perfect Blue which criticizes that industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But only if there was more anime noirs.
Amagi
Reminds me of that stalin vs hitler comic. Think it was russian. They're attacking each other with magical super powers there. And yeah, I love noir now that you mention it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: That'd make for a great noir story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Imagine Stalin and Hitler trolling each other on twitter.
Amagi
It's easy to construct superiority when you never have to show your private face and never participate in mundane chat talks or so.
Amagi
I bet a lot of people who had some aura of authority back then due to only ever appearing in books or for very rare (scripted) speeches would probably laughing stocks now if we'd see them commenting on daily stuff and news on twitter or reddit.
Amagi
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Amagi
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Amagi
Yeah we are always searching for some sort of über-ich or perfect being that symbolizes the goal of some personality growth we're trying to achieve.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or the reason why some people need to have so many things or idols they probably don't need.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think there is a genetic/mental inadequacy in humanity that makes us susceptible to following "higher people who we forget are actually human" because of our own desire for an avatar or general inadequacy as human beings.
Amagi
Yeah this. It's probably also why they defend them so eagerly. Because it's actually true that "their" version of that person would never do that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: And that probably creates a much stronger blow to them when the actor is found guilty of a crime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Very good response.
Amagi
It's kinda weird how almost everything we know about others is actually just interpretation to some degree.
Amagi
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Kaiser-Eoghan
I think thats where it starts getting obsessive or where it gets too close to the next level, such as what the anon mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also can't bring myself to get too attached to a celebrity or to a character. I do look at hentai doujins yes but, I've probably had thoughts about certain actors or what not, but I never actually want to sleep with them, again I think that's taking fantasy too far.
Amagi
I never know if these are serious celebrations or rather some fun memes they do to post, I always assumed the latter. Kinda.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think the fans celebrating the idol's birthday thing is taking it to far too, especially if its an anime character.
Amagi
Yeah I was never an idol fan either, and I don't just mean the idol genre in anime but anything similar to idol stuff in general, like being a fanboy/girl of some celebrity or something. Was never able to get into that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its all too superficial.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Don't like the ideas it gives teenage girls either .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Certain topics just set me off =<
Amagi
The third episode of Wake Up girls was pretty good in that regard. I think it was the third one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But yes, thats a pretty bad story what happened to the woman you mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Might be a good idea to catch some documentaries on that topic .
Kaiser-Eoghan
But that was just a sentence from some guy on a podcast though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now though I didn't see it, I do recall someone saying some of that Wake up girls idol anime slightly brought up seedier parts of the industry if not much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The hallow shallowness of the idol industry I mean.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also dislike the shallowness of it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love how Perfect blue takes influences from those gialli/giallo style films from the 60s/70s to an extent, while also spitting on the industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But you know what sucks? A part of me, both in regards to those women (and probably some of the male idols) whether it be in reality or animation, I can't actually deny finding some of these men/women actually physically attractive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Music industry has its seediness just about everywhere and of course victim blaming going to appear everywhere, not just Japan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*commodification-consumerist
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I hate capitalism, I hate the idol communication-commercialist industry and the willing self-aware slaves and their masters who perpetuate it, the music is largely awful aswell. I don't watch most of the idol anime, I think the idea of 30 something men throwing cash it is awful.
Anonymous3319279
Wonder if there will be some modern equivalent of Perfect Blue? That was a scathing critique of the idol industry back in the late 90s. Although given how shows that are flat out glorifying the industry are the best-selling shows on BD every year, I doubt it.
Anonymous3319279
In short, she was assaulted by two men at her home who were then arrested. Then she was pressured by her managers into claiming that she was to blame for this, not the men and apologizing to an audience.
Anonymous3319279
Hearing about what happened to some idol named Mahohon seriously makes me wonder if idol culture in Japan seriously needs an overhaul and if media needs to stop glorifying the industry so much.
Anonymous3319260
Ok. No pressure, just asking.
AidanAK47
@Anon, we are working on it. It's nearing completion and should be posted soon.
Anonymous3318799
I don't know if I missed it. But have you put the overview of 2018? Of best show, best character, etc. Did 2018 had a good anime villain?
Masky
Anyhoo, surprisingly Lovecraft's books have some really faithful manga adaptions
Masky
A story set in world post "Cthulhu"(or whatever is setting equivalent) awakening and transcending humans into "savage" inhuman world that he is supposed to bring forth
Masky
Ya know, speaking of lovecraft here is what I really want to see:
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well I guess Die Farbe and whisperer in the darkness count and the cthulu one, the latter two were done by the Lovecraft society.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The closest we got with an actual adaptation was Dreams of the witchhouse , but they left out Nyarlathotep.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Those films were fun, but none of them dated well either.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have to seperate my knowledge of the books from Stuart Gordon and Brian yuznas films that borrow elements and titles from Lovecrafts works, once I accept their takes on him are just body horror a black comedies I can kind of accept it more.
Lenlo
I think Junji Ito's manga works have come the closest to Lovecrafts brand of horror, and we all saw how that adaptation went.
Lenlo
Yeah, Lovecraft is a hard one. Even his own books are hit or miss, because it is a very fine line for his brand of psychological horror. Would make for an interesting and unique anime if done well though
Kaiser-Eoghan
A lovecraft themed world would find some difficulty in getting the atmosphere right as he has proved difficult to adapt.
Lenlo
Ah. Yeah, a non-traditional setting like that would be good. I think Isekai, to really change it up, should start going for non-traditional settings. Sci-Fi, Lovecraft, etc. I think this was mentioned before yeah?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I believe the anon was saying it in relation to making a good setting for an isekai show.
Lenlo
Its why I standby Sakaki in this that, even if he was a dick about it, he is right to be angry at how it all placed out. Just not at Kurahara.

Also @Anon, I loved Bloodborne! No idea what the convo is about, but saw it mentioned
Lenlo
They should Kaiser, I agree. Just look at American college football right now. ITs coming out all over the place, and people wonder why teams dont speak out against it. Its because they are kids, they think "This is how its SUPPOSED to be. Only the best make it. Its not the coaches fault, he makes us win". etc etc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is a spinoff anthology for bloom into you's manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or other big issues relating to sports such as performance enhancing drugs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lenlo, a thought popped into my head there, more sports shows should focus on abuse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think flipflappers is one of my favourites in years, but it was definately at its best when it wasn't really about wrapping up its story.
Amagi
Space Dandy and Kaiba had this to some degree too. Liked both series.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Kinda sad that the latter half of Flip Flappers was rather weak because it started with this different worlds idea.
Amagi
I think Matsumoto stuff might actually be the very first anime I have seen in my life, not regularly though and usually when I was in Italy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The noir world could be in black and white.
Kaiser-Eoghan
How about another world that has different sections that follow different genres?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Helped greatly by his use of artistic cinematography and use of dramatic stills.
Anonymous3316528
Old anime has very bitter stories. Despite the old drawings, several had harsh live lessons. Osamu Dezaki had such a talent to direct drama.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I need to actually watch that Leiji Matsumoto stuff some day.
Anonymous3316528
Also Galaxy Express 99 I think also treated that topic.
Anonymous3316528
@Kaiser-Eoghan Wasn't that Gate?
Anonymous3316528
Just like how Gundam made one for the Vietnam War.
Kaiser-Eoghan
A proper story dealing with isekai and immigration crisis.
Anonymous3316528
I mean they could make an allegory of the Berlin Wall.
Anonymous3316528
So Papers Please the anime?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think a romance themed isekai involving borders and beraucracy getting in the way could work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked those czech Jules verne animations.
Anonymous3316528
I suppose the work for creating assets for new settings it's why they don't do it. Most Isekai seem like they can take a tree, or a house from previous works and just change them a little.
Anonymous3316528
On second thought, that was technically the Anastasia animated movie.
Anonymous3316528
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Yeah. Just take the roadmap Bloodborne put out. It's even the perfect setting for an antihero archetype, considering these settings are about the hunt, surviving and superstition. I'll also like the Russia setting, harsh weather, espionage, travelling through train, boat and land like Jules Verne's Ivan Strogoff
Kaiser-Eoghan
That time I got reincarnated in the Soviet union.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd love to see an anime set in Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gothic horror or industrial if only for liking the genre. I still want my anime western.
Anonymous3316528
All in all as I always say. I want new settings, steampunk, western, egyptian, chinese, space, nuclear dystopian, castaway, underwater, skyworld, gothic horror. Or any other tired trope other than european medieval fantasy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, with the nostalgia of old games undertale went for, but without the maudlin di7alogue.
Anonymous3316528
Or something like Mad Max or the RPG series it inspired Metal Max. Maybe another one inspired by Phantasy Star.
Anonymous3316528
I got it! What if someone makes an Isekai on the vein of Earthbound or Undertale. I mean most are influenced by the standard fantasy JRPG. So why not take from the less typical ones?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just for the novelty of it, I would like to see an anime about a relationship between un-traditional/un-usual couples that we never see.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Maybe that'd be cheesy or something but they manage to form new friendship/families which allow them to put behind what they lost.
Amagi
I like semi-episodical series that have an episodical plot and a golden thread at the same time, the latter usually being more subtile or like a subplot and each episodical adventure gives the audience a few new hints or informations about the setting, characters or main plot.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wouldn't even mind a drama driven otherworld story about a depressed person trying to move on and the new world actually helping them move past that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So how about my don-quixhote anime Japan =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
But at the same time there's a bunch of serious stuff, but its not clashing with the lighthearted stuff badly.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite type of adventure story though are the ones where its more about the journey and hangout, sometimes the story appears here and there. And its usually centred around three goofballs with alot of chemistry.
Amagi
Sadly there never is any culture clash or culture shock either, speaking of the LN/game mechanic isekai here. The isekai people are just like the people of nowadays Japan but with swords and magic, basically. Maybe a few rituals at best.
Amagi
An isekai should be like King of Thorns despite KoT not being an actual isekai. But awakening in another world, not understanding anything, exploring, mysteries and slowly piecing things together that make the MC understand the logic of that new world a bit better while trying to integrate into the foreign culture.
Amagi
@Kaiser/Anon: I feel like that too. I love explore and isekai would be perfect for exploration and yet it's always about the MC finding his place as soon as he got teleported, he finds his crew, friends, house, power and so on.
Amagi
@Anon: You're right I watched a few scenes, the dub actually fits pretty well to Nanbaka. The series itselfs is too insane for me I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lack of journey, focuses too much on harem/romcom bits.
Amagi
I have yet to watch Voltron. The animation looks somewhat weird to me but everything else I heard about it so far sounds pretty good.
Lenlo
I welcome the essays Kaiser! Sakaki is a much more complex character than I expected, and Animosh is right that it doesnt justify his actions. I didnt mean to imply that. I do think however that Sakaki is not wrong to be angry. He is just directing it at the wrong person.
Anonymous3316315
@Kaiser-Eoghan - In what sense? In that it isn't a journey? A quest? A series of trials? The hunt of ancient treasure? Or whatever dimension hoping happens in Milk Closet?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Well said about Sakaki's character and I agree with you on it. Saves me writing an essay response now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Tangent, but I want to say something, one of the most annoying things about LNs is when they do the isekai thing, the other world almost never feels like an adventure.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I honestly wouldn't complain if it was full blown yuri or shoujo-ai.
Anonymous3316315
@Kaiser-Eoghan - A lot of series have hard ship baiting. Voltron, She Ra, Seraph of the End, Korra (which at the last second they did it). I know sometimes is a stretch like Frodo and Sam in LotR or Venom and Eddie. But other times it's that relationship in everything but name.
Kaiser-Eoghan
People seem to play up the shoujo-ai thing in Euphonium.
Anonymous3316315
@Amagi - Nanbaka has a good English dub. They knew the delivery had to be as hammy as possible.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm looking forward to those Gundam NT films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I didn't finish violet evergarden nor did I watch tsurune. In the priors case, that was something I would have seen myself liking maybe 10 years ago.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I liked Koe no kitachi aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
We can call it Racing Lads.
Amagi
Okay thanks. I can deal with slow pacing as long as there is an atmosphere or good character story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Free and kaze cross over WHEN!
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked how scaled back it was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I think you were asking about the new kyoani movie earlier? I can't remember if I posted about it on here what I thought, but I actually liked it more than the main Euphonium series, it stood out in its adherence to using body language, silence and movements moreso than dialogue while giving me a coming of age movie I had been asking for. Though some won't like the glacial pacing
Amagi
KazeGa is pretty damn good. It kinda feels like it actually is what Kyoani is always trying to do when they produce sport series with a male cast that are half comedy half drama. But while I often like some aspects of Kyoani shows (like the setting and themes of VEG), I never like the execution, save from the looks of course that are awesome but don't help making the content any better.
Amagi
*above
Amagi
@SuperMario: IIRC mosts Steven Universe VAs are actual singers so they should be a level about typical VAs anyway. Not sure who's voice acting for RWBY.
Amagi
But since I watch everything seasonally subs are faster and I usually don't rewatch series, otherwise a rewatch could be a good reason to watch the dubs for the second time.
Amagi
At least eng dubs got way better in general over the yers. Probably because anime is more mainstream now. Maybe I would like many of them more if I started with the dub.
SuperMario
Maybe it’s a translation issue, by that I mean usually some nuance from the native language is lost in translation. That issue can be alright if it subs, but when saying it out loud it becomes unnatural?
Amagi
Japanese VAs also talk a lot about their characters and give interviews about them, including their own interpretations or head canon stuff. Not sure if western VAs of Japanese shows do that too.
Amagi
Instead when it's a foreign show there is nothing to do but to memorize the finished lines and everything is already set in stone, so you are 100% passive and can't really view it as your or your team's work.
Amagi
I often heard that western VAs thought up some ideas that were integrated into the script. Not sure if that's the case for most cartoons of if these were exceptions, but it could be a hint that VAs are way more involved into a show and the development of their characters when it is a native show, it's kinda logical.
Amagi
Yeah, native stuff is usually better.
SuperMario
Then again, I enjoy the English VA of western cartoon like RWBY or Steven Universe so I guess it’s just a matter of original intended language for me
SuperMario
Well, I’m not a fan of dubbing either. Not that much of a dub-hater but I remember watching Monster and Cowboy Bebop in english dub before I had to switch back to Japanese voice midway through
Amagi
Still living ones I mean. But as said actual movies are usually well dubbed, so I guess it depends on how much money something generates.
Amagi
I knew a bunch of old ones but they're all dead by now. Know maybe three or so with name and face (and often don't even recognize them in movies) and another 6-10 by name only.
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