Posted by psgels on 28 March 2007 with categories: Random Posts

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I assume that most of you have already seen the infamous episode 22 by now. I’ve already shortly expressed my opinion about the episode in the shoutbox, but I figured to dedicate a post about it, since it confirmed something that’s been irking me about Code Geass for quite a while now. I adore series full of plot twists, which would naturally mean that I’d enjoy Code Geass as well, but for some reason I just couldn’t get into it. Now I finally know why.

Not just in this episode, but throughout the entire anime did Code Geass have the nasty tendency to feature a bit too perfect of a timing. Events are so arranged that they create the biggest sensation. The plot twists don’t rely on the characters or the plot, but they rely on coincidences, just like your standard soap-opera. Just think of when Lelouch found out about Suzaku’s identity because his mecha was cut just in the right way to reveal his face and not kill the guy or stop him from moving. Or in episode 21, when Lelouch, C.C., Shirley, Suzaku, Kallen, Ougi and Villetta all somehow end up in the same warehouse at the same time. Or Suzaku just catching Kallen when she’s bathing, and I could go on for this for a while longer.

Sure, one coincidence in a series never hurts, and neither do two or three of them. But when a series practically lives off the stuff, something has to be wrong. I’d much rather see a cleverly thought-out plot-twist than the result of what happens when two characters “accidentally” bump into each other. It just feels cheap.

I’m quite surprised that this series is so enormously popular, as it’s not really that good. Because of this series, the cleverly-written anime like Tenpou Ibun Ayakashi Ayashi get nearly no attention at all. Overall, it’s sad to see that Clamp’s talent got wasted on this one. Ah well, at least the character-designs look nice.

(on a side-note: my favourite part of episode 22 has to be Lelouch’s father laughing at everything that’s happening. I wish he’d get more screen-time, the anime would turn a lot more interesting with this.)

24 Responses

  1. Xander says:

    Well..I really don’t think that CG, as relatively mediocre as it sometimes is (I too would prefer something with a more consistent plot advancement, but I still find the current product fun enough, if nothing else), is to blame for reducing the ratings of those series.

    Personally, I’m not following those series just because I have too much of a backlog. I really can’t say anything else, as it would be unfair. Whether Geass ended today or tomorrow wouldn’t really change much on that front, most likely.

  2. Kite says:

    I’d have to say as far as “coincidences” go Death Note also has many of those. But Death Note plays its cards better with them I guess. But Code Geass is one of My favorite anime at the moment. Thank you for telling me that there is a second season!

  3. tj han says:

    I’m disgusted by the lack of attention Ayakashi Ayashi got and its subsequent cancellation. But I don’t really think it’s related to CG. The target demographic is different and Bones should never have placed AA in the golden slots. AA appeals more to the intellectual viewers while CG is totally soap opera for the masses. There’s no comparison in popularity.

    As for CG’s use of coincidences, it pretty much started after the writers sort of ran out of the Deathnote mimicking ideas. Well, I suppose it’s cool now that shocking plot twists are everywhere. There’s a rather thin line between entertainment and junk.

  4. Nighty says:

    You see, the use of coincidences plays on the irony of Lelouch/Zero. Had it been a regular smart-ass protagonist, it seems lame, but the recurring theme of CG is how fate plays it’s hand on the 2 faces of Zero and Lelouch. Because despite what Zero is aiming after, it often clashes with Lelouch inside, and the coincidences played by CG is an ironic testament to that. Granted, there’s some weakness to that, but it works better than other coincidence played shows because it’s Code Geass. With Tokusatsu-wannabe hero Zero + Indecisive, want-to-be-evil, but don’t want to be Lelouch.

    And CLAMP HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CODE GEASS OTHER THAN DESIGNS. Absolutely nothing. What you’re seeing out of CG is pure Taniguchi+Okouchi+Sunrise, nothing less. And Ayakashi comparisons is bad other than the fact they had both vyed for the timeslots once.

    See, GUNDAM SEED DESTINY is easily one of the biggest best-sellers of 2006, despite everyone saying it sucks. And Code Geass is selling damn well as well. Fan favouritism is often subjective.

  5. psgels psgels says:

    Okay, perhaps the comparison with Ayakashi Ayashi was a bit rash, but I never recall having said that Clamp was majorly involved in this one. With “their talents are wasted on this one”, I simply meant that they could have used their character-designs for much more interesting anime as well.

    And true, the coincidences may illustrate the irony of this series, but I can’t help but feel cheated when Lelouch, Suzaku or Cornellia barely escapes from death for the umpth time. I’d rather see him suffering due to the tactical insight of his opponents, rather than coincidences.

  6. Nighty says:

    Sorry then. Whenever people say CLAMP talent, I often think of their writing talent, since personally, I loathe their noodle monkey designs. Those long limbs look really really unappealing. Each to their own, but I’d rather not see a better anime (( one with solid depth, etc )) gets wasted with CLAMP designs.

    Well, that’s just the thing about Code Geass. It won’t appeal to everyone, but it does to A LOT, (( especially the Japanese )) and that’s all that matters. I haven’t seen an anime where everybody loves unconditionally.

  7. BlueCheese says:

    Wow glad to see someone saying something like this. I too love plot twists but really don’t like Code Geass. Also glad to see you blogged Red Garden. Why is it that average series get so much attention?

  8. Hann says:

    I know what you mean CG is kind of lame because of its coincidences but considering there is a massive use of this kind of writing in it it’s possible that the lameness is intended to be obvious, especially considering some of c.c’s comments in the introductions of some episodes about Lelouch’s plans and destiny.

    But to be honset i dont think CG is all that, i mean i can watch it and its pretty entertaining but i just dont think it manages to pull off the generic robot fighting, war waging, good vs evil, moral genre thats been overused so many times very well

  9. Max says:

    Yeah..it’s true the genre is overdone. However you have to realise anime isn’t really about excessive thinking- it’s something that entertains you when you’ve got some time in your hands

  10. psgels psgels says:

    Max: true, that’s the reason I kept watching it. But I just can’t imagine why this show is getting so much praise when it doesn’t deserve it.

  11. Imbroco says:

    I think it’s an interesting series, because it takes an interesting stance on the typical mecha show.. Lelouch, who would typically be the villain, and Suzaku, who would typically be the hero, aren’t really either, though Lelouch is followed as the protagonist.

    I’ve loved parts of the series, though my friends couldn’t get into it.

    Ep. 22, though..

    To me, was almost like a Shakespeare tragedy set-up..

    I don’t know if I will follow it, now. It just makes me sad, that what happened, happened.

    Like you said with the timing.. too.. not perfect.. just.. too much.

  12. CTNb says:

    ok first off i love the show, but that doesnt mean i think its for every one, i have many friends who love it and many who dont, the thing that i like about this show is the fact that yes there are mech’s but the show isnt focused only on that, like looking at other shows like gundam seed, its all about the mech but this show just use’s them on the side and its the first show i have seen to do that so i like it but thats just wut i think

  13. passingthrough says:

    Don’t despise coincidence. If Oedipus hadn’t met Laius coincidentally, Sophocles would have been a bit stuck (there’s another series with patricide as a running theme).

    Soap operas feature coincidences because *they work*.

  14. psgels psgels says:

    Passingthrough: it’s like I said above, a few coincidences indeed don’t really matter. I agree with that. But Code Geass practically lives off the stuff, where it features coincidence after coincidence after coincidence. At one point, the credibility ends.

  15. E says:

    ok, i only watched two episodes so im not gonna write some 10-page review. however, this show is at least unique in the protaganist design. someone that i won’t really be friend with in real life but fun to watch on an anime

    as for CTNB’s comments, eureka seven, EVA, or rahxephon are all mecha shows that doens’t really focus on mecha, and for their qualities, well what can we really say about E7 except amazing, honton amazing.

  16. Panther says:

    I dont like too many coincidences but i like code geass overall in spite of this, because the coincidences aren’t one sided as in their not always in zeros favour and the emphasise how vulnerable and imperfect zero is yet capable and lucky. I h8 the skinny charecters, and though i like the animation i think there is too much fan service, even in the character designs which only cheapen the anime i feel, i also have to say some costumes & character designs are atrocious but i like the overall content and i want zero to win. I think its a very character driven anime you watch it either to see zeros demise or what he achieves.

  17. Eonir says:

    IMO Code Geass has some huge similarities with other popular anime.

    The lonely boy fighting to change the world, calling himself “Justice”, with the ability to control one’s actions, even able to kill whoever he faces – DEATH NOTE. Not to mention that C.C., the one that is the source of the mysterious power seems to be not quite visible, just like Ryuk.

    Ah, and the mighty left eye reminds me of Kakashi’s sharingan.

  18. PhantomS says:

    “I’m quite surprised that this series is so enormously popular, as it’s not really that good. Because of this series, the cleverly-written anime like Tenpou Ibun Ayakashi Ayashi get nearly no attention at all. Overall, it’s sad to see that Clamp’s talent got wasted on this one. Ah well, at least the character-designs look nice.”

    I agree with you. Too many coincidences, interruptions and needless sacrifices. Someone needs to take Lelouch down a few notches, before he becomes the plot contrivance man of the century. He’s too lucky, too smart and not very human. If there is any justice his sister will die in Season 2 and give him nothing to live for.

    Plot contrivance = instant down rating from me.

  19. Windy says:

    Well, personally I completely desagree with your opinion on Code Geass maybe because it’s my favorite series and everything is there to lift my interrest. The design and characters are just too perfect, the storyplot is better than ever( for me at least, I was quite reluctant to watch it but I never expected such a good series in every point, I don’t know why you don’t seem to like it much)!
    Well there’s just one thing I don’t like much : the silly games organized by Milly Ashford, that’s quite all we could reproach them for. And my two favorite are definitely Euphy and Cornelia . What about yours?

  20. psgels psgels says:

    Windy: I guess my problem with the series is that it wants a little too much, and loses sight of the small things a bit. It wants so much sensation that the plot twists are getting rather hard to swallow and too much like a soap opera, with the best example in the second season the Rolo who kills Shirley. It came from nowhere and felt way too forced. And indeed, the silly games by Milly don’t help much either. I see it just as a series for a bit of entertainment, nothing more, nothing less.

    As for my favourite characters, it first was Orange-kun, before he switched sides in such a strange way, but right now I’d have to say Lelouch’s father. He’s your typical evil overlord, but I like the way how he gets on the nerves of Lelouch.

  21. Windy says:

    Well, as for me ,I actually just hate Lelouch’s father ( Charles) , he doesn’t care what happens to his children, I think ( at least they didn’t show it)Clovis’s and Euphy’s death were little concern to him, all the people around him including his children are just pawns to him, that’s all and he wouldn’t sacrifice his victory or his empire for them repeating endlessly ” All hail Britania!”as some kind of hymn( like Lelouch said in the 16th ep of the R2: hostages won’t work on him even if it’s his own daughter, I wonder if he even loved any of his children , I had supposed he cared for Cornelia in the first season but now I see his true nature !!!),well at least Lelouch really cares for his friends of Ashford and he really cared for Euphie and Shirley , and didn’t won’t the geass to affect other precious people around him, his father never lets his emotions rule over him ( I suppose he ‘s just a cold- hearted king overwhelmed by his powers of geass which , to crown it all, now procure him immortality ). Lelouch may end like him as well. I particularly like the siblings’ relationships like the one Lelouch shares with Nanaly, the sister for whom he decided to change the world and the one shared by Euphie and Cornelia( to avenge her sister and to clear her name, Cornelia dropped her status and the army which seemed to be all her life right from the start). I wonder what’s going to happen in the next episode now that a two-sided war has been waged, with Nanaly still sitting as the governor of the 11th zone of Japan ( I hope she won’t be accidentally killed by Lelouch), and Karen and Cornelia still prisoners ( when will they take part in the war!?). I ‘m really fond of those relationships between characters ( soap-opera you say), the plot is beyong my expectations ( because I expect much from an anime too, that’s why I was surprised to find an exceptionnally well done like this one.)Well it’s also hard to picture all the children growing up together and now fighting each other to death even if they were close once but what I really can’t understand is the father – children relationship and the fact all the children were well-raised, sounds quite impossible having Charles for their father and why Euphy’s , Shneizel and all’s mother has never been showed? Well, I just love this series and I know, I can’t be too objective about it. What I like here the most: the story-plot, the characters’ design and the action parts, the relationships between characters and the effects produced cause I have great sensations when I look each episode.

  22. Windy says:

    About Rolo, it was so dumb of him to use his geass to kill Shirley off after her saying to him she liked Lelouch! So, now I don’t like this character , he seems too stupid , often acting like a killing machine.

  23. Windy says:

    to PhantomS: Maybe you don’t like it but it’s one of the best shows and I think it’s natural for it to take so much attention , I do agree that many series don’t deserve so much attention ( like GUNDAM series) but this one does really deserve it ( maybe the only one that does of all those famous worldwide series) . Besides, not only Clamp’s talent doesn’t get wasted but it’s used for one of the best shows and personnaly I don’t think that Tsubasa reservoir chronicle and xxxholic are better than this one, its talent is much more wasted on these ones. For me they’re the ones that don’t deserve such attention and waiting. Precisely, what are the things you don’t like about Code Geass?

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I was also surprised with the lack of censorship during Inuyashiki's second episode.
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First episode of inuyashiki covered the whole of volume 1.
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*but almost never
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@Mario: In general, Death of Stalin is an amusing film throughout, but never laugh out loud hilarious, Simon Beale is hilarious in it as Beria.
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@Amagi: Gonzo did that mecha 7 samurai thing we must never speak of. However schmaltzly/sentimental Ikiru is, however it slumps slightly in the middle and final arc , it was still a genuinely moving film.
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*than it is
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To elaborate, I expected to dislike inuyashiki based on not enjoying Gantz, my reaction to the second episode was the same as Amagi's . The first episode was heavy handed a bit as Aidan mentioned, but its harder to watch that scene with the older guy get bullied/tormented that it is to watch highschool kids getting picked on by cliche anime thugs.
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Also why Hillary Clinton? I mean i know Trump is supposed to have a cameo in the manga but why her?
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@Vyse, Lets not jinx it. Plenty of series have shown great potential in their second episodes only to flop later. We can sing praises if it keeps this quality to the conclusion.
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Inuyashiki main villain should be Hillary Clinton
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Inuyashiki is suddenly like the best thing of the decade.
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I wish there were more old MC series out there. Liked that about Real Drive too. Maybe someone will have mercy and adapt Kurosawa one day. Not exactly old but at least a series about a guy with midlife crisis.
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yup, I have no problem with Lenlo's review. Execution is what matters with me.
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@Lenlo: You managed to sell me on a show that I didn't think I'd have bothered with.
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You did fine. It's a risk associated with reading post-viewing episodic discussions. Pretty much everyone knows that if you don't want to be spoiled don't even get online.
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I tried to leave explicit spoilers about what happened outside the (more...) tag, but its a risk of readin a review I suppose.
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Hah, sorry about spoiling it. That's the problem with major shocks like that; they're most effective if you're not expecting them. Still, the show has deft execution of its executions, and that makes the experience worse than I could imagine.
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Well im glad it convinced you. Tried something different with writing this week
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man I should not had read the review. Now I will go and watch Inuyashiki. I had missed it.
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@Lenlo: It caught me off guard, too. Definitely working to earn that 'psychological' genre tag.
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Well... Inuyashiki surprised me today. It went far darker than I was expecting. Thanks Gants author
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@Mario: Such an odd art style, have you ever seen these? These are the film covers the Polish get:
Kaiser-Eoghan
*that was the most interesting character
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Z's ending was very very well played and it was Jean Tringnents was interesting, largely for that he was a right winger working with the left wingers.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And of course the British version of house of cards.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wonder if he's seen Yes Minister and The New Statesman, also political comedies and for those of us who lived in the 80s seeing Thatcherites getting slagged off was great.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I do think thick of it works better though as the humour serves a thirty minute episode more comfortably. Stalin's fairly short though so I don't think the joke will run out.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: the Death of stalin is the title I'm looking for as well. Will screen here in few weeks. I almost reccomend In the Loop and the Thick of It (haven't watched the latter though) for Travlos since they're a political satire, which I think he'll enjoy
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Hope you already booked that heavens feel screening, cause its sold out.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've heard that the anime's character development in Juuni taisen expands on the books, which only give them short lines for their backgrounds.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, so perhaps in Juuni taisen they'll spin that so the Rat guy uses the ox guy to his advantage in some different way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: There is a special atmosphere watching anime on a big screen.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I might be seeing death of Stalin tomorrow or Saturday. The thick of it was hilarious and this has the same director as that.
SuperMario
Both Z and All the President's Men are coassic movie. Hold my attention from start to finish. Z, in particular, wowed me that I literally had my mouth wide open
SuperMario
Off tangent, watching Fireworks in the cinema the other day made me realize how I miss watching movies on the big screen. I might try to go to the cinema once a week again. Been missed out all the good movies lately.
SuperMario
In the Great Race story, Rat used a very underhanded tactic to win the race (it jumps into the Ox to pass the great river and then jump off to the finish line. This Rat guy's speciality is Killing All so there is a high chance that he survives till the end
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I have no doubt that we will have more amazing character arcs for Juuni Taisen.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But that could prove to be too predictable.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wonder if the Rat guy is going to be the wild card in all this, after all in the old story, wasn't it the Rat who won that zodiac race thing?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Juuni Taisen is killing off its most interesting characters.... =< I wanted the bird girl to stay around a bit longer.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd love to see more Lem or Stugastky style/brand of scifi, I need to rewatch stalker again.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Going back to the cyberpunk thing, I don't want just any ol' thing getting made, I want to see something scifi related thats ACTUALLY clever and has long and DIFFICULT dialogue .
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: While not a political series Chaos;head is a good example of being annoyed at the conspiracy thing, what drives me up the wall about that show and its sequel is how every every time I think about going back to it I realize that its only interesting on a surface level and is utter hokkum.
KTravlos
@Kaiser. Yup, perhaps because I work in political science, they tend to anger me. So I avoid them. Borgen is a good political series.

In general. It still startles how much of a better character anime Tsutomu was comapred to manga Tsutomu in Bridy the Mighty. But I forgive the manga as I get more Gomez!
AidanAK47
@Amagi/Kaiser, thought as much. Strike it off the list then. And God Tsubasa was a cluster fuck by the end.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh simul-dub of Juuni taisen is out, I might aswell keep up with that instead.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know I had this weird relationship with dragonball in general. When I was younger I never actively seeked out the show, but on a rare occasion I would watch random episodes whenever I was channel hopping and nothing else was on.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Clamp shared universe was a mistake.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I really really wish that that tone breaking style of comedy stops being a thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It doesn't happen often, but there ARE shows we all have that snap trigger us when they get mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel my disdain of re:zero is because I hate Akame ga kill and Higurashi so much and it prevents me because of bias from enjoying it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: In addition to what i posted about Pandora, you will hate the comedy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I will rewatch it, the first one is one of those things that improved on repeat viewings.
@Travlos: Conspiracy theories are one of those things I find myself taking interest in, then almost immediately consider immensely stupid and a waste of time.
Amagi
Aidan: If you didn't like the first parts of Pandora you won't like the rest either. Most people that loved it did this because of the characters and setting, the story isn't really getting better and I kinda disliked what they did near the end. It was overcomplicated and everyone had like three different personalities, plot twists and so on. Not nearly as bad as Tsubasa Chronicle though
AidanAK47
@Bokusenou, believe me when I say you are not few. There are plenty who Dislike Re:Zero. I can understand it and I sort of get where your coming from regarding the characters. (Though Saber sucks) There is just something about the series that I just adore.
KTravlos
@Kaiser. I have not watched most of them. But I have watched Z and All the President's Men. Both are great films. The issue with me is that while I like political thrillers I despite conspiracy theories. Far too many pol. thrillers dive into con.theory stuff. So I must be discriminating.
SuperMario
Okay, I'm off to watch Blade Runner 2049 now. Hopefully it can be as good as the original
Vonter
In contrast World's End Harem, surprisingly looks to be trying. It has one story trying to play straight, the scenario of being the last man in a world mainly habited by woman. And has had this framing of self worth, temptation and doubt I like. No work of art, but surprising for this type of manga.
Vonter
In regards to manga, I'll need to look for something good, being losing time with ecchi stuff. Which I can tell Okamoto should just make hentai, seeing as his latest work, doesn't even try to be anymore than pandering trash (at least older work, had a notion of a story).
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: Did all the presidents men and Parallax view by Pakula appeal to you?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: Actually as your are a Greek....have you watched Z, missing, State of siege or the confession? None of them are actually in Greek but they were political thrillers directed by Costa Gravas.
Anonymous1490677
KT here: Well I am a sucker for political thrillers and "grand" politics, so the direction it took is quite fun for me. Even if it does indicate a Tomino ending.
Kaiser-Eoghan
For me Titan peaked at volume 8 and I never bothered continuing on much further.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I remember a commenters on here a good while ago that mentioned the ending didn't satisfy or come together well and made the investment not worth it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Honestly it was only near the halfway point I vested any interest in pandora hearts, the first 4 volumes left me wondering if I'd drop it, then near the last few volumes I simply fell out of reading it.
Bokusenou
I feel like I'm one of the few people who don't understand why Re: Zero is so popular...the only characters I half liked were Puck & Crusch (the latter because she reminded me of Saber from the Fate series, minus the unnecessary perma-blush marks) My anime club screened the series and I really should have skipped those meetings...
Lenlo
Mmm Inuyashiki episode 2 tomorrow. Time to see where it goes
AidanAK47
@Anon, That reminds me. Anime limited better announce the date of the Re:Zero Blu-ray release at that panel of theirs at MCM London Comic Con. They are the only ones known to have licensed it and they have a partnership with Funimation. Even if we don't get a second season I have to get the first on Blu-ray.
Anonymous1490189
Emilia re:zero
AidanAK47
Finally Got that review up. Been sitting in my to do list for a while.
SuperMario
I remeber in Dragon ball, they state that Son Goku takes 6 years of training to become a Super Saiyan. His oldest son takes 3 years and then the youngest one... only takes 3 months of training with his mother. So yeah...
AidanAK47
While we are talking about manga, I was looking into getting some manga boxsets and I saw one for pandora hearts. However I started reading it and 15 chapters in I just can't get into it. I hear a lot of praise for it but is it really worth continuing?
AidanAK47
@Amagi, yep. Like Naruto with the nine tailed beasts and Sharingan. At first they were cool and then everyone and their mother had Sharingan or a tailed Beast.
Though If I had a problem with SNK its that I just find the thing to be poorly written overall. It has creative idea's, but the characters and dialogue is really weak in my eyes.
Amagi
You know that SuperSaiyan syndrome. At first it was special and mysterious, but once the second one gets to have the power they tend to pop up everywhere. Same with Claymore and basically almost every shounen ever.
Amagi
I overall like the SNK manga but I have to agree I really have a problem with this shounen trope of some speciality one character has that suddently turn out to be the speciality of many.
Lenlo
It turned from a horror/thriller to a sort of... shounen mystery thing for me. I wasnt a fan once EVERYONE became titans.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I dropped off at that point, picked it up again and read it up to date. Now I am falling out again. True be told I haven't really got into it since the beginning chapters and I am not a fan of the direction it took. If you don't like it now I say future chapters won't really change your mind.
Lenlo
Does Attack on Titan get better? I was reading it up until Season 2 came out and then just fell off the wagon.
KTravlos
oh what a cliffhanger in the Shingeki no Koyjin manga! I am happy where this is going!
Kaiser-Eoghan
I agree that the way the series addresses emotion has some interest to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The later chapters I read had some action in them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Had a read of the children of the wales manga, I am glad to see a shoujo that isn't based on an otome or school life series , additionally I like it on an aesthetic level, I can see it going somewhere but the fast-forward pace makes it hakes it harder to connect with.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Blame! was recently adapted and thats cyberpunk, even if it didn't follow the manga.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Agree. Cyber- and steampunk are two of the few settings I really dig. Especially because I think that there are a lot of potential plots and twists for cyberpunk/VR settings anime haven't used yet. AR is great too, the only series about that is Dennou Coil and it was made ~10 years ago. Maybe the SAO movie but it was just a movie.
Amagi
@Aidan: Same here lol. I remember the toilet thingy but not the woman's backstory. That being said, I enjoyed the series as whole, though some parts were too K-ONish for my taste.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The idea of would agorophobia maintain itself and they'd stay inside or would the fear of being raped/tortured/killed and bypass the agorophobia ?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Random tangent, but I would find it fascinating to see a hikkikomori subject to a home invasion.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although honestly, I would prefer a cyberpunk wave of anime series to get popular again.
silver
I too am starting to really enjoy the 'adventure anime' genre. The medium of animation is uniquely suited to fantastical worldbuilding.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Was that the one where the girl is desperately trying not to piss herself? Also why can I remember that and not this blonde woman's backstory?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yep, agreed. It's at its best when it can use the settings to flesh out the characters. The episode after that one, one the other hand, was Sora no woto's dullest episode - where the main girl spends the whole episode waiting for a freaking phone call.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The Blonde woman's backstory in the middle of sora no oto, that was the best episode of it.
SuperMario
@Amagi: for reccomendation, if you don't mind another cute girls in a post-apocalyptic world show, you can try Sora no Woto (Sound of the sky). I love that show to bits
SuperMario
But I'm not entirely sold on the show yet. I feel the relationships are a tad too heavy-handed. The light hearted tones don't work well for me but I really feel a From the New world's vibe from the show
SuperMario
@Amagi: I will talk about Children of the Whales here in the chatbox since we don't cover it. Damnit the cliffhanger. That series really focuses on the theme of repress their own feelings. From the children in the Mud Whales with their custom of not to cry in the funeral or their lacing their hands to express their gratitude. Episode 2 has that monster who basically eats others emotions
Kaiser-Eoghan
And by extension, I would hope that it would encourage adaptations of older fantasy manga aswell.
Amagi
I really hope this type of fantasy will become a new trend instead of the classical world of warcraft type of isekai
Amagi
There is just something really atmospherical about a few characters exploring an unknown world alone that is either almost or entirely devoid of humans or just weird like in Kino's Journey.
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