Posted by psgels on 28 March 2007 with categories: Random Posts

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I assume that most of you have already seen the infamous episode 22 by now. I’ve already shortly expressed my opinion about the episode in the shoutbox, but I figured to dedicate a post about it, since it confirmed something that’s been irking me about Code Geass for quite a while now. I adore series full of plot twists, which would naturally mean that I’d enjoy Code Geass as well, but for some reason I just couldn’t get into it. Now I finally know why.

Not just in this episode, but throughout the entire anime did Code Geass have the nasty tendency to feature a bit too perfect of a timing. Events are so arranged that they create the biggest sensation. The plot twists don’t rely on the characters or the plot, but they rely on coincidences, just like your standard soap-opera. Just think of when Lelouch found out about Suzaku’s identity because his mecha was cut just in the right way to reveal his face and not kill the guy or stop him from moving. Or in episode 21, when Lelouch, C.C., Shirley, Suzaku, Kallen, Ougi and Villetta all somehow end up in the same warehouse at the same time. Or Suzaku just catching Kallen when she’s bathing, and I could go on for this for a while longer.

Sure, one coincidence in a series never hurts, and neither do two or three of them. But when a series practically lives off the stuff, something has to be wrong. I’d much rather see a cleverly thought-out plot-twist than the result of what happens when two characters “accidentally” bump into each other. It just feels cheap.

I’m quite surprised that this series is so enormously popular, as it’s not really that good. Because of this series, the cleverly-written anime like Tenpou Ibun Ayakashi Ayashi get nearly no attention at all. Overall, it’s sad to see that Clamp’s talent got wasted on this one. Ah well, at least the character-designs look nice.

(on a side-note: my favourite part of episode 22 has to be Lelouch’s father laughing at everything that’s happening. I wish he’d get more screen-time, the anime would turn a lot more interesting with this.)

24 Responses

  1. Xander says:

    Well..I really don’t think that CG, as relatively mediocre as it sometimes is (I too would prefer something with a more consistent plot advancement, but I still find the current product fun enough, if nothing else), is to blame for reducing the ratings of those series.

    Personally, I’m not following those series just because I have too much of a backlog. I really can’t say anything else, as it would be unfair. Whether Geass ended today or tomorrow wouldn’t really change much on that front, most likely.

  2. Kite says:

    I’d have to say as far as “coincidences” go Death Note also has many of those. But Death Note plays its cards better with them I guess. But Code Geass is one of My favorite anime at the moment. Thank you for telling me that there is a second season!

  3. tj han says:

    I’m disgusted by the lack of attention Ayakashi Ayashi got and its subsequent cancellation. But I don’t really think it’s related to CG. The target demographic is different and Bones should never have placed AA in the golden slots. AA appeals more to the intellectual viewers while CG is totally soap opera for the masses. There’s no comparison in popularity.

    As for CG’s use of coincidences, it pretty much started after the writers sort of ran out of the Deathnote mimicking ideas. Well, I suppose it’s cool now that shocking plot twists are everywhere. There’s a rather thin line between entertainment and junk.

  4. Nighty says:

    You see, the use of coincidences plays on the irony of Lelouch/Zero. Had it been a regular smart-ass protagonist, it seems lame, but the recurring theme of CG is how fate plays it’s hand on the 2 faces of Zero and Lelouch. Because despite what Zero is aiming after, it often clashes with Lelouch inside, and the coincidences played by CG is an ironic testament to that. Granted, there’s some weakness to that, but it works better than other coincidence played shows because it’s Code Geass. With Tokusatsu-wannabe hero Zero + Indecisive, want-to-be-evil, but don’t want to be Lelouch.

    And CLAMP HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CODE GEASS OTHER THAN DESIGNS. Absolutely nothing. What you’re seeing out of CG is pure Taniguchi+Okouchi+Sunrise, nothing less. And Ayakashi comparisons is bad other than the fact they had both vyed for the timeslots once.

    See, GUNDAM SEED DESTINY is easily one of the biggest best-sellers of 2006, despite everyone saying it sucks. And Code Geass is selling damn well as well. Fan favouritism is often subjective.

  5. psgels psgels says:

    Okay, perhaps the comparison with Ayakashi Ayashi was a bit rash, but I never recall having said that Clamp was majorly involved in this one. With “their talents are wasted on this one”, I simply meant that they could have used their character-designs for much more interesting anime as well.

    And true, the coincidences may illustrate the irony of this series, but I can’t help but feel cheated when Lelouch, Suzaku or Cornellia barely escapes from death for the umpth time. I’d rather see him suffering due to the tactical insight of his opponents, rather than coincidences.

  6. Nighty says:

    Sorry then. Whenever people say CLAMP talent, I often think of their writing talent, since personally, I loathe their noodle monkey designs. Those long limbs look really really unappealing. Each to their own, but I’d rather not see a better anime (( one with solid depth, etc )) gets wasted with CLAMP designs.

    Well, that’s just the thing about Code Geass. It won’t appeal to everyone, but it does to A LOT, (( especially the Japanese )) and that’s all that matters. I haven’t seen an anime where everybody loves unconditionally.

  7. BlueCheese says:

    Wow glad to see someone saying something like this. I too love plot twists but really don’t like Code Geass. Also glad to see you blogged Red Garden. Why is it that average series get so much attention?

  8. Hann says:

    I know what you mean CG is kind of lame because of its coincidences but considering there is a massive use of this kind of writing in it it’s possible that the lameness is intended to be obvious, especially considering some of c.c’s comments in the introductions of some episodes about Lelouch’s plans and destiny.

    But to be honset i dont think CG is all that, i mean i can watch it and its pretty entertaining but i just dont think it manages to pull off the generic robot fighting, war waging, good vs evil, moral genre thats been overused so many times very well

  9. Max says:

    Yeah..it’s true the genre is overdone. However you have to realise anime isn’t really about excessive thinking- it’s something that entertains you when you’ve got some time in your hands

  10. psgels psgels says:

    Max: true, that’s the reason I kept watching it. But I just can’t imagine why this show is getting so much praise when it doesn’t deserve it.

  11. Imbroco says:

    I think it’s an interesting series, because it takes an interesting stance on the typical mecha show.. Lelouch, who would typically be the villain, and Suzaku, who would typically be the hero, aren’t really either, though Lelouch is followed as the protagonist.

    I’ve loved parts of the series, though my friends couldn’t get into it.

    Ep. 22, though..

    To me, was almost like a Shakespeare tragedy set-up..

    I don’t know if I will follow it, now. It just makes me sad, that what happened, happened.

    Like you said with the timing.. too.. not perfect.. just.. too much.

  12. CTNb says:

    ok first off i love the show, but that doesnt mean i think its for every one, i have many friends who love it and many who dont, the thing that i like about this show is the fact that yes there are mech’s but the show isnt focused only on that, like looking at other shows like gundam seed, its all about the mech but this show just use’s them on the side and its the first show i have seen to do that so i like it but thats just wut i think

  13. passingthrough says:

    Don’t despise coincidence. If Oedipus hadn’t met Laius coincidentally, Sophocles would have been a bit stuck (there’s another series with patricide as a running theme).

    Soap operas feature coincidences because *they work*.

  14. psgels psgels says:

    Passingthrough: it’s like I said above, a few coincidences indeed don’t really matter. I agree with that. But Code Geass practically lives off the stuff, where it features coincidence after coincidence after coincidence. At one point, the credibility ends.

  15. E says:

    ok, i only watched two episodes so im not gonna write some 10-page review. however, this show is at least unique in the protaganist design. someone that i won’t really be friend with in real life but fun to watch on an anime

    as for CTNB’s comments, eureka seven, EVA, or rahxephon are all mecha shows that doens’t really focus on mecha, and for their qualities, well what can we really say about E7 except amazing, honton amazing.

  16. Panther says:

    I dont like too many coincidences but i like code geass overall in spite of this, because the coincidences aren’t one sided as in their not always in zeros favour and the emphasise how vulnerable and imperfect zero is yet capable and lucky. I h8 the skinny charecters, and though i like the animation i think there is too much fan service, even in the character designs which only cheapen the anime i feel, i also have to say some costumes & character designs are atrocious but i like the overall content and i want zero to win. I think its a very character driven anime you watch it either to see zeros demise or what he achieves.

  17. Eonir says:

    IMO Code Geass has some huge similarities with other popular anime.

    The lonely boy fighting to change the world, calling himself “Justice”, with the ability to control one’s actions, even able to kill whoever he faces – DEATH NOTE. Not to mention that C.C., the one that is the source of the mysterious power seems to be not quite visible, just like Ryuk.

    Ah, and the mighty left eye reminds me of Kakashi’s sharingan.

  18. PhantomS says:

    “I’m quite surprised that this series is so enormously popular, as it’s not really that good. Because of this series, the cleverly-written anime like Tenpou Ibun Ayakashi Ayashi get nearly no attention at all. Overall, it’s sad to see that Clamp’s talent got wasted on this one. Ah well, at least the character-designs look nice.”

    I agree with you. Too many coincidences, interruptions and needless sacrifices. Someone needs to take Lelouch down a few notches, before he becomes the plot contrivance man of the century. He’s too lucky, too smart and not very human. If there is any justice his sister will die in Season 2 and give him nothing to live for.

    Plot contrivance = instant down rating from me.

  19. Windy says:

    Well, personally I completely desagree with your opinion on Code Geass maybe because it’s my favorite series and everything is there to lift my interrest. The design and characters are just too perfect, the storyplot is better than ever( for me at least, I was quite reluctant to watch it but I never expected such a good series in every point, I don’t know why you don’t seem to like it much)!
    Well there’s just one thing I don’t like much : the silly games organized by Milly Ashford, that’s quite all we could reproach them for. And my two favorite are definitely Euphy and Cornelia . What about yours?

  20. psgels psgels says:

    Windy: I guess my problem with the series is that it wants a little too much, and loses sight of the small things a bit. It wants so much sensation that the plot twists are getting rather hard to swallow and too much like a soap opera, with the best example in the second season the Rolo who kills Shirley. It came from nowhere and felt way too forced. And indeed, the silly games by Milly don’t help much either. I see it just as a series for a bit of entertainment, nothing more, nothing less.

    As for my favourite characters, it first was Orange-kun, before he switched sides in such a strange way, but right now I’d have to say Lelouch’s father. He’s your typical evil overlord, but I like the way how he gets on the nerves of Lelouch.

  21. Windy says:

    Well, as for me ,I actually just hate Lelouch’s father ( Charles) , he doesn’t care what happens to his children, I think ( at least they didn’t show it)Clovis’s and Euphy’s death were little concern to him, all the people around him including his children are just pawns to him, that’s all and he wouldn’t sacrifice his victory or his empire for them repeating endlessly ” All hail Britania!”as some kind of hymn( like Lelouch said in the 16th ep of the R2: hostages won’t work on him even if it’s his own daughter, I wonder if he even loved any of his children , I had supposed he cared for Cornelia in the first season but now I see his true nature !!!),well at least Lelouch really cares for his friends of Ashford and he really cared for Euphie and Shirley , and didn’t won’t the geass to affect other precious people around him, his father never lets his emotions rule over him ( I suppose he ‘s just a cold- hearted king overwhelmed by his powers of geass which , to crown it all, now procure him immortality ). Lelouch may end like him as well. I particularly like the siblings’ relationships like the one Lelouch shares with Nanaly, the sister for whom he decided to change the world and the one shared by Euphie and Cornelia( to avenge her sister and to clear her name, Cornelia dropped her status and the army which seemed to be all her life right from the start). I wonder what’s going to happen in the next episode now that a two-sided war has been waged, with Nanaly still sitting as the governor of the 11th zone of Japan ( I hope she won’t be accidentally killed by Lelouch), and Karen and Cornelia still prisoners ( when will they take part in the war!?). I ‘m really fond of those relationships between characters ( soap-opera you say), the plot is beyong my expectations ( because I expect much from an anime too, that’s why I was surprised to find an exceptionnally well done like this one.)Well it’s also hard to picture all the children growing up together and now fighting each other to death even if they were close once but what I really can’t understand is the father – children relationship and the fact all the children were well-raised, sounds quite impossible having Charles for their father and why Euphy’s , Shneizel and all’s mother has never been showed? Well, I just love this series and I know, I can’t be too objective about it. What I like here the most: the story-plot, the characters’ design and the action parts, the relationships between characters and the effects produced cause I have great sensations when I look each episode.

  22. Windy says:

    About Rolo, it was so dumb of him to use his geass to kill Shirley off after her saying to him she liked Lelouch! So, now I don’t like this character , he seems too stupid , often acting like a killing machine.

  23. Windy says:

    to PhantomS: Maybe you don’t like it but it’s one of the best shows and I think it’s natural for it to take so much attention , I do agree that many series don’t deserve so much attention ( like GUNDAM series) but this one does really deserve it ( maybe the only one that does of all those famous worldwide series) . Besides, not only Clamp’s talent doesn’t get wasted but it’s used for one of the best shows and personnaly I don’t think that Tsubasa reservoir chronicle and xxxholic are better than this one, its talent is much more wasted on these ones. For me they’re the ones that don’t deserve such attention and waiting. Precisely, what are the things you don’t like about Code Geass?

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Anonymous537462
Fuck you all id rarher have no season of anime just for season 3 of rick and morty
Kaiser Eoghan
I'll try neverland. Although it being in shounen jump is suspect.
Kaiser Eoghan
I was quite effected by flippflappers episode 10s last couple of moments.
SuperMario
yeah, she's checking her pulse while completely in control of the situation. Such badass. I wonder with the stakes so impossibly high how could they resolve all this? Not to mention they have other shits to face after escaping that orphanage. Good read. I love the three mains so far as well.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Yep. I actually didn't get into it until the end of the first chapter and then it's just got my full attention. Up to date and so far it hasn't let me down. Miss Mom is pretty damn unnerving. That one point near the beginning where she just holds the main girls head and stares at her like shes examining an object would scare the hell out of me if I was her.
SuperMario
This The Promised Neverland manga is awesome. I'm at chap 4 right now and it just getting better and better
Topgavin
Currently looking forward to Flip Flappers, Keijo and To Be Hero. Needa catch up on Girlish Number and Drifters but haven't had the time.
SuperMario
Oh, and that Zaragoto OVA which I think not a lot of people care to watch, at least not right now.
SuperMario
Now I consider catching up a part of this job haha
SuperMario
I'm more of a slice of life guy so my watch for this season are: natsume, Yuri on ice, girlish number, drifters, Fune wo amu, Saiki and I'm behind on Keijo, Magical Girl raising project, occultic;nine, buranki, Bungo stray dogs. Have a lot to catch up it seems
Lenlo
This season im watching Yuri, Drifters, and Flip Flappers. When I get the time I also try to watch some Bakumon
AidanAK47
Besides what I am blogging, I am also watching Jojo, Flip Flappers, Girlish number and Keijo.
AidanAK47
I guess you want to know what everyone's watching in the current season?
Anonymous533091
This is a mess
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So the what out there y'all
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And so number one out there
Anonymous532773
And some new anime
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So what's new anime y'all seen
Anonymous532773
That's what. I think
AidanAK47
@Anon530022, I am not going to deny being arrogant. That's just my nature. But you are going to have to explain how wanting a show to have a genuine gay romance is homophobic? Kinda missing the logical steps on that jump. Anyway you being gay is irrelevant as I have a bisexual friend who says the romance isn't realistic in the slightest.
Anonymous530636
real interaction which makes everything feel fake. (sorry about the test walls)
Anonymous530636
I love basically any sports/romance anime so Yuri should be straight up my alley, but instead it just fails at both, mainly the sports part since it does try to focus on fanservice of the relationship between Victor and Yuri. I don't feel like the relationship between the two of them is real whether it's romantic or not. They keep having characters voice their thoughts about each other but no
Anonymous530636
Hi random long-time psgels reader, personally I think Yuri on Ice has kind of lost on trying to be a real romance and a real sports anime. It's characters are pretty weak and combing from someone that actually reads BL manga, I agree that their overt level of fanservice like focusing on the two of their lips and the rings, etc doesn't match their level of outright talking about shit.
Anonymous530138
I like a good dickin
Lenlo
tl;dr, chill its an anime.
Lenlo
Age gap isnt that big, and its not homophobic or arrogant to say a show isnt selling an aspect of itself well in his opinion. Lastly, romance for every person is different, so dont expect him to share your experiences/views on it.
Anonymous529997
Also, how Viktor's choice to become Yuuri's coach might have been initiated by not just Yuuri's skating, but Yuuri himself.
Anonymous529997
@Mario: I agree on the strip dance. Like, holy crap. But overall, I really like how episode 10 reframed the series from Viktor's perspective. Like, at first the whole commemorative photo thing made him seem like a jerk, but now we get to see that he had actually had a great time with Yuuri and was probably being genuine about it...
Anonymous530076
What happened to angry german kid
Anonymous530022
You just want them to identify themselves. You feel as if it's your right to know that they are gay. Well it isn't. It is their life, their story. You are being homophobic. You are being close minded. You are being arrogant. You are, indeed, very arrogant.
Anonymous530022
It is a mixture of admiration and lust and because it is hard to distinguish between the two it is difficult to express your feelings directly or even admit it to yourself.
Anonymous530022
As a gay man I attest that this is how romance works, ESPECIALLY when there is an age and experience gap.
Anonymous530022
This shows romance is actually reaistic, but you are still rejecting it. Yuri literally said he had found love. He said neither way who it's directed towards yet you are SO INSISTENT that it is towards skating. in the episode Victor even expressed admiration to Yuri's own dispositions beyond skating. He clearly was 'watching' him.
AidanAK47
If they planned to take such a hands off approach to romance then it would be better if they just focused on the skating. But well then the fujoshi's wouldn't be buying the Blu-rays now would they?
Lenlo
I can understand that, thats a problem I have with alot of modern romance's. Im just not seeing the backing off that happens in those romances. They just seem to raise it more and more in Yuri, without ever crossing the line, rather than toeing it then backing off.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, To me I find it aggravating. They go so far to portray them as gay yet when it comes to the final say they keep backing off. Hey I want to be more that friends...just kidding! Hey I love you...just kidding! Hey lets get married...just kidding! It like how harems constantly tease the main getting together with each girl when by shows end you know he's not going to get with anyone.
SuperMario
@lenl: agree. I'm still enjoying the hell of the show. A bit out of the blues thou when it comes to the strip dance (they shoulve planted that before), but it's a joy to watch every week
Lenlo
Eh. As I said, I think its above bait below romance. Either way im enjoying it and thats the important part.
SuperMario
For me they're just too much at the moments but unless they confirm it, nothing changes.
Kaiser Eoghan
Y'know I kind of wish Rorico would just come out and directly say he feels too old for most anime, its not really surprising a man in his 60s would be so cranky when it comes to this stuff.
SuperMario
@lenlo: I think it's more about statements. Yes, we understand the context of rings and engagements but unless they confirm it, nothing set in stones. And "hinting" is what they love to do, you can see just by the 2 shows I've coverage myself: Sound Eupho (Reina & Kumiko), Flip Flappers (Papika & Cocona) and people saying those same underlining context things.
Lenlo
I think its beyond baiting, below full blown romance at this point myself.
Lenlo
Does a show have to confirm and say "They kissed" to make it true? Seems along the same lines as "Fade to black" for sex. Then theres the ED which also made the start of the show much more interesting, as with this ED not its Victor that was jilted at the airport, when Yuri ran away.
Lenlo
See, I dont understand why they have to come out and say "We are gay" for you to accept its an actual romance. I dont see how this is baiting anymore either, as the rings and the "Engagement" seem pretty clear to me. Also, without knowing the current climate on the matter in Japan, this could be the clearest they are allowed to make it, while still fully intending for it to be a real romance.
AidanAK47
@Anon1, Agreed. I said before that I would like to be proven wrong on this but this series doesn't seem to have done that yet. I really will admit I am wrong to Anon2 if it does provide proof but it would need to be far more substantial than this.
@Anon2, Girl, boy, whatever.
Anonymous529668
I'm not a girl.
Anonymous529660
Even that is just grasping at straws though, haha.
Anonymous529660
@Aidan: I think the only thing from that scene that hints at actual romance would be where Viktor says something along the lines of a lot of other people got their L words from Yuuri, which he had earlier stated are "Love" and "Life." Honestly, even this is pushing it though, but the fact that he said it like that suggests that both he and Yuri got "those words" from Yuuri.
AidanAK47
Way I saw that scene was the guy saying "Fuck you, you think Yuri is so great. Well I am gonna be better than Yuri. Just you wait and see" and then Victor remarking on how Yuri awoke his competitive spirit. Aka his love for Skating.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Although I like both, I always prefer impressionism better. Expressionism for me tend to be a bit overwhelming and a bit subjectively. But mind you Flip Flappers still has moments of Expressionist as well (Episode 6: Irochan's parents)
AidanAK47
@Anon, I got the context you saw fine. About him getting mad over the "Good luck charm". You are being baited girl, hook, line and sinker.
Anonymous529618
You are missing context. You don't know anything. You don't even know why Yuri was mad do you? Why the fuck would he be mad about loving skating.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I bring up the impressionism vs expressionism thing because I feel that the impressionistic aspects of say a Tarkovsky film, Malick film and flippflappers feel superior to me over expressionistic style because its more emotionally satisfying while ALSO being athmospheric, Whereas expressinistic visuals are ONLY atmospheric.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Flippflappers has now reached a level where I feel the impressionism has gone beyond simply visual immersive in a way that makes us part of its world and has become more emotional.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: You mention impressionism in your review of flipflappers, in general do you feel on a visual level you respond more strongly to expressionism or impressionism?
SuperMario
I watched the whole thing so I know that in this episode, except the time they're giving rings to each other (in the name of "good luck charm") and Victor somewhat pump Yuri up for the Gold medal by Not Denying it; they still haven't admitted anything.
AidanAK47
Perhaps I am not the one who is in denial.
AidanAK47
Oh I think I see it now. Yeah this is nothing mate. The conversation was about skating from begining to end and Victor mentioned that he wasn't the only one to get his "L words" from Yuri. Pretty clear he means how Yuri helped Yurio awaken a love for Skating. Romantic love doesn't really make sense within the context. But yeah, they admitted nothing.
AidanAK47
Quite frankly if they don't have the balls to admit they are gay by this point they are just not going to.
AidanAK47
Time stamp means the point in the episode he actually said it. Like 18 minutes 20 seconds in or something. You should be able to get one. But maybe you can't find it either. Only thing I found Was about yuri teaching victor through his life and love but that's ambiguous enough to refer to his love for skating.
Anonymous529435
Don't have time stamp
Anonymous529435
Episode is narrated by Victor
Anonymous529435
At the end Victor admits he's in love and mentions the other person is also
AidanAK47
@Anon, Can you give me the timestamp on the episode? Scanning through it I don't see anything that suggests that.
Anonymous529150
Not joked
Anonymous529150
They admitted
Anonymous529150
No those were both me it's just the chat doesn't show it immediately so I posted again
AidanAK47
@Masky, He's denied it before but it's pretty obvious he's trying to make it seem like someone's agreeing with him.
AidanAK47
@Anon, admitted or joked?
Masky
So wait, is that same anon repeating himself or two different anons where second one copy pasted part of first one's post
Anonymous528870
They literally admitted a love triangle between the three main characters. You're in denial.
Anonymous528815
Are you kidding? This episode they outright admitted a love triangle between the three main characters. You're in denial.
AidanAK47
I actually was going to admit that I was wrong when I heard about the "Kiss" and gladly do so. But when I watched the scene in question it's clear what I said is still correct. They will dance around it, sure. But never outright confirm it.
AidanAK47
@Anon, discussed this before when the "Kiss" happened. Despite the series hinting it, and hinting it hard, it still hasn't outright confirmed it. While I am sure it is head canon to the watchers, the series itself is just queer baiting.
SuperMario
Okay... Just watched this week's Yuri on Ice. Haha things got weird again... and they so nailed Barcelona here, I recognized most of the places.
SuperMario
@anon527634: actually about that, I am a bit let down that after that "supposed kiss" in episode 7, no one in the series mentioned it again. Just like that "kiss" never happened.
Anonymous527534
So when is Aidan going to publicly admit he was wrong about the Yuri romance?
Lenlo
I loved the special ED so much.
Lenlo
Alright... Yuri this week was interesting in so many ways.
SuperMario
I'm also planning to catch BBK/BRK before the year end soon. I'm also find that series entertaining despite its obvious flaws
Kaiser Eoghan
But come to think of it, I do know what its like to enjoy something admittedly flawed, the first season of utawerumono was like that for me, I have nothing but criticism of it in all aspects but yet ended up being one of those things I somehow enjoyed watching.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, only flippflappers, natsume, drifters on my end.
AidanAK47
I wonder if anyone here is still watching Bubuki Buranki? It's weird but despite how deeply flawed it is I find it fairly enjoyable. Though that fantastic soundtrack certainly helps.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Oh they announced a Sonic movie too. Apparently it's a mix of live action and animation.
Anonymous525559
I am suprised SEGA didn't announce an Sonic movie and went with games like Altered Beast and Crazy Taxi, they probably could have just ripped off one story from the Archie Sonic comics and make an movie based on that, preferably the story where Sonic travels in the multiverse to fight an super powerful Sigma alongside Classic Megaman and Megaman X,Steet Fighter cast,Breath of Fire 3 cast and more
AidanAK47
@Anon, A parody Grindhouse film actually could work. I consider Overkill the best of House of the dead. Thing is there actually is already a house of the dead movie so this would be their second attempt. The first attempt...lets just say it didn't work out.
Anonymous523336
And House Of The Dead: Overkill is probably the best game in the franchise to adapt, i mean, it has Isaac Washington in it and dude's awesome.
Anonymous523336
None of those games have much of a story, but at least House Of The Dead could make for an entertaining silly movie, i mean House Of The Dead: Overkill is freaking awesome and has silly cutscenes at the start and end of every level.
Kaiser Eoghan
At most moonbeam city seems sylistically interesting.
Kaiser Eoghan
Archer I simply lost track of and it ended up getting to long to catch up on it.
Kaiser Eoghan
Relatively old news, although I've been joking with friends about what if scenarios for a streets of rage film. I know there is a cg/live action hybrid sonic film in the works. I kind of want to think a shinobi or streets of rage film could work if they went full on 70s style action film.
AidanAK47
None of these games are played for the story. You would be better off just making a new game for them instead of a movie.
AidanAK47
I haven't even seen Archer. On another note SEGA is planning a bunch of live action movies of their franchises and boy do they all sound like a horrible idea. Shinobi, Golden Axe, Virtua Fighter, The House of the Dead, Crazy Taxi, Streets of rage and Altered Beast.
SuperMario
@Anon522497: hmm, I found Moonbeam City underwhelmed and for Archer up until their last season I actually got a bit tired of the cast (couldn't finish that season 7)
Anonymous522497
If i wanted Archer i would just watch Archer or Moonbeam City like everyone else.
Anonymous522338
Bloodivores
SuperMario
Anyone here watching Pacific Heat? It's an Aussie Archer-ripoff aired in Netflix last week. I actually enjoyed the 1st episode, not that great but everyone panned it like a plague.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Who?
Anonymous521123
#StephanieJaworowiczIsBeautiful
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: That'd be the compiliation film. I watched that based on hearing that the film version trimmed back on the shows weaker moments.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: was it the compilation film or the series itself? That scene is the highlight of that first season. I'm always a fan of KyoAni so it's very natural that I enjoy this series a whole lot.
Kaiser Eoghan
I watched the first season of sound euphonium, not much to say for it other than I liked the teacher guy and the scene where the black haired girl tells the main character that she thinks shes hiding behind a mask. Animation was as expected of kyoani good. All of those emotion shots though and some of the melodrama...
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, it does stop if you make an account.
Kaiser Eoghan
Hmmm there we go again, it delayed sending my message for longer than it should have.
Kaiser Eoghan
Anyone notice today and last night that the site has had some loading issues? I kept getting an error page for a while and it was also loading a bit more slowly. A server issue?
Lenlo
Have to say, Flip Flappers ep 5 was pretty good. I love atmospheric settings like that.
Lenlo
Looks like an Epee. The large bell guard, the fact that they are focusing on thrusting attacks instead of slashing (mostly). Fencing is alot of fun. Be prepared for some bruises though, as some people put their full body weight behind their thrusts.
SuperMario
I have one last dumb question, Can you tell what types of blade of Juri in Utena? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGsVSSUv_i0
SuperMario
@Lenlo: the more you described the more I found fencing interesting. I might take a look around my town to see if we have Fencing here (the curse of living in a small town).
Lenlo
Blades are slightly different, yes, but mostly just in their guard and how much they bend. Sabers bend easily, Epee's not so much. Surprisingly Epee is the slowest, because people tend to be more careful. Saber is actually the most aggressive of the blades, atleast at my skill level
AidanAK47
That's all they had to do. Just stay inside and let it pass. But for some weird reason they just keep panicking over nothing.
As far as time/alternate world stuff goes this was ridiculously underwhelming. Just finished another movie called triangle and now that's how you do Time travel mindfuckery.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I am not fond of movies where people make stupid decisions for no good reason. For example:
"We should just stay inside"
"No, staying inside isn't realistic"
WHY IN THE HOLY HELL ISN'T IT REALISTIC.
SuperMario
Showed that movie to a bunch of friends last year and I remembered one of the girl just shut off the movie after 15'
SuperMario
@Aidan: too bad. I found Cohenrent really funny and entertaining. Some of their twists are stupid but I was actually invested in much of their characters. Maybe because I always love movies about a bunch of characters in an isolated setting
SuperMario
@Lenlo: sounds like Epee is the most "all-out-attack" and aggressive one. Their blades are different as well I assume?
AidanAK47
Just watched a movie called coherence and man, what a bunch a pseudo-intellectual garbage that was.
Lenlo
For Right of Way, its basically Person A attacks, Person B parries, Person A hits, Person B hits, Person B gets the point because they took right of way with the parry. Saber and Foil both have that, but Epee does not. Epee is simply "Whoever hits the opponent first, doesnt matter where, whole body is target area"
Lenlo
Theres Saber, Foil and Epee. The main difference is this thing called right of way, but there are other smaller ones like how Saber can hit with the edge and Epee is allowed to hit the entire body, instead of just the chest like Foil
SuperMario
For news, Blood Blockade Battlefront getting second season next year. As it was one of my favorite last year I'm really lokking forward to this second season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: that sounds great. From what I know from fencing there are 3 different types of blade right? So what are the differences between them? (Fencing 101 here)
Kaiser Eoghan
Although a fantasy sports thing could also generate interest, such as combining sports together to create something totally new.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, Fencing was great. Favorite sport ever and it helped me stay in shape in College. I find Epee to be the best blade, mostly cause I fenced it, but its a very intense 3 minutes. Unlike sports like Soccer and such which is alot of sustained running, Fencing is 3 minutes of Dont-Stop-Moving then wait till next match. Gets really fun once you figure out your own style.
SuperMario
haha, I wouldn't mind either if each episode focus on a single sport/ character/ country. Or even the positive aspects like role models, sports inspirations and stuffs
Lenlo
That Olympic anime sounds great.
Kaiser Eoghan
And it would be a good excuse to have characters of multiple backgrounds included too.
Kaiser Eoghan
Could be an 13 episode ova series with 48 minute episodes, and if its to be an ensemble character drama you could have 10 minutes to a each character (the ones being focused on in that episode) in each episode.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah yes, aswell as cheating it could also get into "stage parenting", "abuse", "Disabilities" and also the general politics of sports, the backroom stuff.
SuperMario
I'll be the first in line if that olympic anime ever come out. Could be interesting to see the interactions between athletes in different sports, and then fans/athletes/coaches relationship, then the gold rush, doping... So much to talk around to
Kaiser Eoghan
I don't think theres ever been a manga about hurling either. Hey heres an idea, someone do an ensemble drama anime that deals with the olympics, fit in multiple sports that way.
SuperMario
Personally I find Australian football much more exciting than rugby. Or crickets.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: ha! Interesting that you mentioned Gaelic football, because in Aus we have AFL (Australian Football League), that really similars to Gealic Football to the point sometimes we have the 2 national teams compete each other with modified rules
Kaiser Eoghan
Hmm, lets see, sport under-represented in anime? Fencing, golf , Gaelic football, bowling, boat racing.
SuperMario
Hey, fencing is actually really cool. How did you like it Lenlo?
SuperMario
You have your point there Topgavin, as I clearly remember many instances where players' legs, backs or even necks got snapped during rugby's tackles. But in regards to Rugby I never really care about it. That and car racing
Lenlo
Its mostly the type of injuries you get that differ I think. Football you get concussions and broken bones and such, while in Rugby you probably get alot of bruises and cuts. Granted I have played neither, I was a Soccer man in highschool and fencing in College
Lenlo
American football has alot of rules, and really is just a bunch of millionaires running around chasing a ball. Rugby however, as Topgavin said, has no pads so when you get hit you get hit HARD
AidanAK47
I never ceases to surprise me just how high and mighty visual novel fans can be over Mosaics present in localized games. I mean they are literally complaining about not seeing genitalia yet the way they phrase it, it's like they are fighting against great injustice. If these VNs were Nukige they might have a point but in most cases the sex scenes in question are pointless and shoehorned in.
Topgavin
@Mario Rugby is more extreme *because* it has no protective gear. No hiding behind helmets and cushioned shoulder pads when ya get bowled over.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I'm no expert but isn't American football a variation of Rugby? And I believe american football is more extreme, considering they have to wear helmets, protection gears and all that
Lenlo
I dont think theres alot of manga about it because its simply not that popular outside the US. As far as it being a battlefield, eeeeh? Not really? You want a battlefield watch Rugby.
SuperMario
I can think of other cool sports that could be interesting to see in anime: Kick Volleyball (Sepak takraw), Bossaball (combined soccer, volleyball in a trampoline), or in the same vein of skate figures this season, why not pole dancing competition???
Anonymous504493
What other sport is cool and popular that remains original to write about by now? There isn't a lot of manga about it compared to anything else.
Anonymous504493
American football looks like a battlefield with a visible battleline and everything. Id like it if there wasnt so many darn commercials.
Lenlo
I mean, its a sport. Far cry from best, but its definitely a sport.
SuperMario
@Vonter: or maybe because american football IS the best sports ever?
Kaiser Eoghan
@Vonter: Most likely due to the middle section of the original anime being the most popular bit.
Vonter
Can someone explain me how Cobra, is apparently getting an anime around some sort of space american football? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kNWPr43zE
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not safe enough a film for me to properly recommend. Even to exploitation fans, they might find it too slow others would be too sensitive to it. Really una vita violenca, mamma roma, accatone, hawks and sparrows are what Pasolini is really about.
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