Posted by psgels on 27 July 2007 with categories: Random Posts

I was pretty surprised when I realized that I already reached the benchmark of 3000 comments in such a short while. Especially considering that it took me 16 months to reach the first 1500, and only four to reach the second 1500 comments. Last night, ap was the one who made it, on my post about Bokura no – 11. While the people from Sea Slugs always use some kind of fan-art, I’m a horrible drawer, I decided to have a little contest for these kinds of benchmarks. Basically, just post a comment, leaving the name of an anime that is slated for the fall-season, and I’ll blog the one with the most votes, no matter what.

The last time I did this, Claymore came out, which turned into a really interesting experience. The rules are:
– To validly post, just drop a comment leaving your selection. I selected this system above a poll on purpose, because I really want this to be a choice of my readers, instead of random people who will vote randomly on any poll they run into.
– I accept any shows that are listed on moonphase under the fall-season or just 2007, without any specific date yet announced apart from the year. For an english version of this list, go here.
– Each person can select up to 2 shows. Since ap was the one who made te 3000th comment, his votes count for three.
– The voting stays open until August 31th, after which the show with the most votes will be blogged as soon as it airs. Be careful, though. If I don’t like it, I reserve the right to bash it. If you want to return on a later date, you’ll find this post under the category “Random Posts”.

And finally, let me thank all the people who dropped a comment, and made sure that this benchmark could be reached. You’re all very appreciated. ^_^

EDIT – The current list of votes:
Gundam 00 – 13
Clannad – 12
Ghost Hound – 11
Gunslinger Girl – 9
Kodomo no Jikan – 5
ef – 5
Mokke – 4
Haruhi II – 4
Wellber no Monogatari II – 4
Kimikiss – 2
Hero Tales – 2
Rental Magica – 2
Minami-ke – 2
Censoroll – 1
Prism Ark – 1
Shugo Chara – 1
Aria OVA – 1
Bamboo Blade – 1
Shakugan no Shana II – 1

(Small note: everyone who voted for Gunslinger Girl can recast his or her vote, since it’s been confirmed to air in spring, next year. )

EDIT: The Poll is Closed. Don’t bother voting or revoting, because I won’t count them. Everyone, thanks for participating!

75 Responses

  1. Cos says:

    Congrats.
    To tell the truth I really want to see you blog one show that isn’t your kind at all, maybe Gundam 00 or Clannad.

  2. Solaris says:

    Hi Psgels. Just took a look on thet page you linked@animeph

    I vote for Mokke. The manga is licensed in Italy and i happened to read somehing about it. Here’s a review: http://www.animenfo.com/mangatitle,146,nsyhpo,mokke.html

    As for my second chose i’d like
    Gunslinger Girl Continuation
    I don’t know if the list is outdated or what, but i continue to find traces of this phantom new serie of Gunslinger Girl on the net. If it should be aired, as i really look forward to, please blog it.

  3. totoum says:

    gunslinger girl continuation
    though like solaris,i’m really confused,one day it exists,then it doesn’t,then it does again lol

  4. Patrick Monti says:

    – Ghost Hound / Shinrei Kari (I know you will blog about this, because if you don’t I will hate you ;) )
    – Gunslinger Girl

  5. daizengar says:

    3000…thats a lot!

    I know you are not into mecha series…but I would love to see Gundam OO series bloged, maybe it can turn into an interesting experience too =)

    and for my second choice, Wellber no Monogatari (2nd season), I really liked the first part xD

  6. psgels psgels says:

    So I see that Gunslinger Girl is taking an early lead. Please do note that accordig to Moonphase, it isn’t sure yet whether it’ll air in 2007 or not. If it doesn’t, and Gunslinger Girl does end up with the most votes, I’m going to go for the series with the second-most amount of votes, simply because I do not want to wait that long. :P

  7. Solaris says:

    I could wait ages for my beloved Henrietta *______*

  8. Ravage says:

    Kodomo no Jikan and Haruhi 2/Clannad(whichever airs in fall).

  9. Anca says:

    Kodomo no Jikan – the recent manga scandal was delicious. I have high hopes for its anime.

  10. omo says:

    Soon enough, star crossed will be over 9000…

    Instead of a new show I’d recommend you watch some old ones instead. Like Hard Core Slice-o-Life Aria the Animation, or something.

    Other than that, just try out some TEROGE adaptation. EF anime or Kimikiss.

  11. Kite says:

    I’m gonna say Clannad and Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu Second Season!

  12. Chablis says:

    My vote goes to Gundam 00.

  13. A0 says:

    Kodomo no Jikan gets my vote.

  14. A5 says:

    clannad(I loved the kanon and air anime) and ef

  15. miki says:

    KoJiKa for me!

  16. saris says:

    Voting for Jyushin Enbu – Hero Tales, it looks very very like the art of Full metal Alchemist mangaka, well I am not good at Japanese so I don’t know if it ‘s the same author or not.

    And Rental Magica,story and characters seems interesting.

    Wanna vote for Velvet under world and gunslinger girl too but as it is not gonna be in Fall season….

  17. Bee says:

    I vote for Mokke!

  18. rwaggie says:

    Definitely Gunslinger Girl 2 and if you consider any movies, Cencoroll looks quite promising.

  19. Well, series like Haruhi 2 and the Code Geass continuation will probably get blogged either we vote it or not so im gonna go for less voted shows that seem interesting.
    Shugo Chara! and Prism Ark are my choices

  20. Anga says:

    Mokke and that new Aria OVA.

  21. Mentar says:

    It’s not going to win, but it’s my sleeper dark horse tip for the next season anyway: Kimikiss. It really depends on how they do it… but if they do it right, it’s gonna be excellent.

  22. ret says:

    I vote for EF. :)

  23. SDtielvdeo says:

    Kodomo no Jikan, and Haurhi II Please :)

  24. psgels psgels says:

    I’m surprised that there are so many people looking forward to Kodomo no Jikan. Was the manga really that good?

  25. Zato-Sama says:

    dont know any of them rly, just tell me wich one u think is similar to seirei no morobito or Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto

  26. psgels psgels says:

    Ghost Hound is also from Production IG, just like Seirei no Moribito, so I suspect some similarities. As for Bakumatsu, there aren’t really samurai-shows this season, but I think Hero Tales comes close.

  27. soavifox says:

    hero tales and ghost hound sound decent but none of them really strike me as interesting at the moment:/

  28. demitrickster says:

    Are you going to do a fall preview? Because I have no idea what most of those of shows are even about…

  29. psgels psgels says:

    Good point. I’ll do one once the line-up is really known, and I’m thinking of extending the deadline because of this.

  30. Angelle says:

    Clannad and Haruhi II please. :3

  31. sylvan says:

    Gundam 00 please!

  32. Zato-Sama says:

    Ghost hound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Onegai Psgels-Sama!!

  33. Zato-Sama says:

    Ghost hound trailer here for those who are curious: http://www.ghosthound.tv/ (sry psgels)

  34. smurph172 says:

    gunslinger girl was an awesome anime to bad it had such a cut off ending to the series. I can’t wait for the next season. You should blog the series

  35. Immortal says:

    My choices:

    Gundam OO: It seems interesting, being different than the previous two series. Im sure you will like it if character development is good enough.

    Ghost Hound: As always, I expect Production I.G. to deliver a very good experience, with very high quality animation and art.

  36. haruda says:

    Mokke and Ghost Hound!

  37. shadowWizz says:

    I’m casting my votes to Wellber no Monogatari II & Bamboo Blade

    Going a bit OT here… Want to say many thanks & GJ for your El Cazador reviews. I enjoy reading your comments on the L.A. – Ellis – Nadie relationship. It was interesting… Keep up the good work. =)

  38. roastedpekingduck says:

    psgels, do you have any interest in the second season of Genshiken?

  39. psgels psgels says:

    Roastedpekingduck: not really. I only saw the first episode of the first season.

  40. BladeBlur says:

    Gundam 00

  41. cubia says:

    Clannad and Ghost hound.

  42. 0rion says:

    I’m surprised no one’s voted for Shakugan no Shana. I’ll go ahead and throw in a vote for that, even if it seems kind of pointless.

    Second vote…definitely Gunslinger Girls.

  43. Windspirit says:

    I vote for Clannad.

    As I said, I think you probably had a bad first impression noticing that this would be a romantic visual novel adapted into anime which will only rely on cute stereotyped characters to sell. This is obviously not the case, Clannad will follow Kanon’s steps to give us a touching story where the main hero won’t sleep with all the girls and where all the girls aren’t interested only in the hero’s engine.

    I am not asking you to adore this anime, just to give him a chance. You can seriously be surprised. Oh, and by the way, I’d also recommend Kanon (the 2006 version), probably the best anime in its genre.

  44. Windspirit says:

    Sorry for the double comment. >_>

    About the second show, I’d say “ef – a tale of memories”.
    The trailer shows that there won’t be a bunch of girls in love with the hero, but other couples. The synopsis of this series reminds me of the charming mysticness of Air and… the idiocy of School Days. But now that I heard that there will be more than one couple in this anime, I’m sure I can expect more elaborated romance, at least more than usual harem-shows.

    :)

  45. Chris says:

    I suppose since no one will vote for Blue Point I’ll vote for Clannad, that way I’ll follow your blog and just skip the bad episodes! :D Hey atleast it sounds better than Kodomo!

  46. I vote fore Gundam 00 as my first choice…
    After watching the last PV I have high hopes for it…its also comming in HD, that is a big plus for me :P

    As for the second one…hell I can`t decide…
    Im really not looking forward to anything more so I`ll leave it like this, whichever comes second is fine xD

  47. demitrickster says:

    Ok, I vote for Ghost Hound and Rental Magica

  48. CherylHew says:

    ACK, no one voted for MapleStory TT__TT It’d be hopeless for me to do so then LOL In that case, I’d take CLANNAD and Gunslinger Girl… Though we aren’t really sure when the latter will air eh?

  49. Ryusei says:

    Ghost Hound (Production I.G. should be awesome)

    and Gundam OO…

    by the way, is it OO, or 00?^^

  50. psgels psgels says:

    Sorry, my fault. Apparently, it’s 00, but pronounced Double O.

  51. totoum says:

    i think you can take gunslinger girl out of the poll,a second season has been confirmed,but it will come next spring,not this fall.

  52. psgels psgels says:

    Good point. Everyone who voted for Gunslinger Girl is allowed to revote, since by the time it airs, we’ve probably reached the next poll. ^^;

  53. Ulises says:

    Just finished the first season of Wellber no monogatari… It was good, so the second season as my first and..I was thinking about Gunslinger Girl, but because it doesn`t air, gundam 00

    I`m not a big fan of mecha anime…but it`s been a long time since I watched any, so I`ll give it a try xD

  54. Xerox says:

    Gundam 00! Because that’s the only thing I’m looking forward to in the fall.

  55. Cheshire says:

    Gundam 00. Mizushima makes me hope (beyond the fact that the main characters seem an emo-bishie squad just like in Gundam Wing). Also looking forward to Mokke and Rental Magica.

  56. Patrick Monti says:

    Well then I guess I will have to change my Gunslinger Girl vote. I’m torn between Mokke and Minami-ke but I guess my neither has possibilities to win so, the oscar goes to: Minamki-ke.

  57. Darka says:

    How can you even think of not blogging Haruhi II.

  58. psgels psgels says:

    Darka: Because I dropped the first season after four episodes?

    Anyway, I take that that’s your vote, but I don’t really think that Haruhi II will be airing this year.

  59. Windspirit says:

    Yup. Kyoto Animation is doing only one anime per season, and Clannad will be quite long (24 episodes, the visual novel’s script is long enough), so I think you guys will have to wait until april for your Second Season, while a bunch of people like me will be enjoying Clannad. :P

    You dropped Haruhi Suzumiya First Season after four episodes, psgels ? Ha ha ! I wasn’t bored enough to drop the series at this point. Sure, this series has its good moments (the Remote Island, Haruhi’s live concert, the ending (which was kinda intelligent compared to the stupidity of the previous episodes)), but taken globally, it’s, sorry guys, a piece of boring crap full of useless and boring fillers. >_>
    Well, I suppose the flawless technical production and the moe factors made it so popular.

    Well, I now suppose that Gundam 00 will win and that Clannad won’t be blogged. Am I wrong ?

  60. psgels psgels says:

    Well, you’re right, unless more people start voting within the next five days. I do think that I’m going to watch Clannad for a few episode before casting my final judgment, though, whether it gets chosen or not. :)

  61. Windspirit says:

    OK, if I understood well, it means that you watch all the new shows, but pick only some of them to be blogged. This vote is to choose ONE anime that you will ABSOLUTELY blog until the end ?

    Oh.
    So basically, all animes actually have chances to be blogged if you we impressed by the first episodes ? :)

  62. Patrick Monti says:

    Windspirit I think that it’s just as you said. Probably psgels just wants something he would have never thought of blogging.

  63. aikibriarrose says:

    Well, I was really hoping for some votes for the second season of xxxHolic, but I’d like to read your comments about Clannad and Code Geass as well. I’m glad I went looking for more info about Mononoke, cause that’s how I found your blog. Thanks!

  64. psgels psgels says:

    Windspirit, Patrick: Yeah, that’s indeed the purpose of this poll. The last time I tried this, Claymore came out, which I probably wouldn’t have blogged on my own, and it turned out into quite a decent series.

    aikibriarrose: do note that neither the second season of xxxHolic nor Code Geass seems to be airing this fall, and this poll is meant for fall-shows. ;)

  65. deathgod says:

    i think Ghost Hound will be very interesting,i saw the trailer and the animation looked great(kind of similar to Jigoku shoujo), and so i vote for it even if i don’t think there are any more chances for it to get the first lace

  66. Hinode says:

    Hello world … just remembered this poll …

    Anyway .. checked out the two leading candidates out at wiki .. and my vote goes to Clannad .. ^_^ ..

  67. psgels psgels says:

    Ooh, this is getting exciting. There’s less than a day left, and the top-2 have an equal amount of votes. :)

  68. Mai Dawn says:

    Clannad and Dog Hound

  69. hahaha says:

    my vote goes to Gundam OO since its the only fall series im actually looking forward to

  70. Hyuga says:

    Just finished reading your monthly summary…I was not aware of this thing until now^^

    As for my choices:

    Ghost Hound: Because I expect it to be as good as Seirei no moribito because it is from the same company that`s working on it…that show simply amazes me with a good combination of art, animation, music and novel-like storyline.

    Gundam oo..or OO, whatever: Just because I love mecha series…and lately there has been nothing good for me. Gurren Lagann may have good animation and everything, but maybe I need a more matture story.
    Also heard that the director did FMA…that sure makes me hope for a lot.

    Be well!!

  71. Miyu says:

    Even though I’m aware they are NOT going to win, I’m cheering for ef and Minami-ke.

  72. chrry370 says:

    I vote for wellber 2! Since the first season was great!

  73. ap says:

    Gunslinger Girl is a definite!

  74. psgels psgels says:

    Okay, this contest is now officially over. It’s been exciting till the end, but Gundam 00 turned out to be the winner. I want to thank everyone who voted and made this into a success. :)

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Houseki no Kuni won only 1 for Best CGI
SuperMario
Most surprise winner was Mahoutsukai for Best Drama against Rakugo, 3-gatsu, Made in Abyss
SuperMario
@Lenlo: My Hero Academia 2 took home the most awards (as far as I remember: Best Boy, Best Girl, Best Hero, Best Villain, Best Action, Best OP) but Made in Abyss won AOTY (along with Best Score)
niello
Also, is there anyway I can convince people here to pick up Miira no Kaikata again?
niello
Looks like I can use this site on my laptop again.
Lenlo
Oh snap forgot to watch that. Who won what? Their site isnt updated yet
SuperMario
And I thought My Hero Academia had the main award in the bag. Congrats to Made in Abyss
SuperMario
Anyone here watching Crunchyroll Awards?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: The newest episode of Violet Evergarden had no title. I just don't see any purpose of that to be honest
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Sunny was a solid slice of life series by Matsumoto.
Anonymous1839346
@Anon Weak villains, over-dramatized, protagonists suffer random psychotic breakdowns and all of the elements of the movie do not come thematically together like the creators probably thought they did. Of course, I may just be stupid. For me Ping Pong was waaay better
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Not everyone is going to like the style that film is done in and apparently some think it compresses its source material poorly, but I don't really mind.
Anonymous1838586
can anyone state some of the problems they have for tekkon kinkreet. If they have watched it
Kaiser-Eoghan
Watching Kondou in every episode of after the rain, makes it hit home that in 10 or so years I'll be 40 =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
As far as friendships between men and women are concerned, I do believe in it, although especially when I was a teenager I was always worried about things turning into something more.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*kondou's
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I think Chihiro might be knfou's wife.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Slight error on the violet evergarden review, episode title isn't showing up at the top.
Anonymous1838382
Media/art have the power to depict the rare and unusual. It is completely normal for the rare to be common in art. I understand what you mean Amagi, but don't hold it (purely) against the consumers. It's the nature of media itself and in that regard, it is a good thing.
Anonymous1838379
Media/art have the power to depict the rare and unusual. It is completely normal for the rare to be common in art. I understand what you mean Amagi, but don't hold it (purely) against the consumers. It's the nature of media itself and in that regard, it is a good thing.
Amagi
What I acutally find worse are series that make that canon and it happens all the time (not only in anime). Usually female/male though. I have nothing against romance but I hate how proper friendships between men and women can't exist in cartoons/anime. It's so common in real life but media acts if it was an alien concept to them. Maybe because of the target audience I don't know.
Amagi
I think these pairing of friends aren't just the fault of crazy fans, it's because anime often has a problem depticting friendships. Almost all friendships (at least those among girls) are fetishized to no end in order to either add ecchi or cute ambivalent scenes, and people get used to that. There are good examples of friendships, Rakugo is one, a current one would be Sora Yori, but it's rare.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Interesting that it's being updated to modern America though, I imagine the crime figures have changed alot though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I don't like sexualize Banana fishe's protag given how theres line in the manga later on that and I somewhat paraphrase where he speaks of the villain "I can't even remember the number of times Dino Golzine raped me"
Kaiser-Eoghan
Coincidentially as we're on this topic, I just watched the pv for that josei action series Banana fish coming out in July and from skimming the manga years ago , people will be insinuating a relationship between the two leads when its left ambiguous, even though the protaganist has homosexual leanings.
Anonymous1837358
Anonymous1836963 - Well according to some bl tropes, women are built into those stories to block the pairing advances. There's also the one off character that isn't romantically inclined but popular like Floppy in MHA or Bulma in Dragon Ball. I do think it's bad when like in Kingdom Hearts, Sora cries for Riku and was just ok with reuniting with Kairi.
Anonymous1837334
@AK Me again. Watch the epilogue in the last ep of Korra S3!
Anyway, basically we agree, I simply say that with Korra, it's explainable and non-invasive. Like, you'll always have romance shoehorned into mainstream series and Asami >>>>> Mako.
Lenlo
What, women cant be gay?
AidanAK47
@Anon, that's not true. They can still get beat up in order to inspire the boys to fight harder.
Anonymous1836963
It's why Sasuke/Naruto never happened. They had to keep Sakura relevant.
Anonymous1836963
If everyone in Anime were gay, there would be absolutely no use for women in any shonen plot. Sad but true.
Lenlo
The push to make Rakugo into a gay relationship has always annoyed me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Feck, I re-read it, shows how shit my memory is.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, No I didn't. I pretty much ruled it out it as early as episode three. I stated that people thought it and mentioned that it could lead to some interesting story developments. But I made it clear I didn't like the idea and felt it cheapened their bond.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lies it was hulk and iron man not hulk and black window....I mean jesus come oooon like =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
Some crack pairings can be extremely silly.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: And I said it after remembering ages ago you said the same about guts and griffith and how people cheapened that relationship.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I also stated that yesterday.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: In fairness initially some of us, yourself included thought he might of been at first before it was clear he wasn't gay.
AidanAK47
Truth be told, it pisses me off. It takes a bond of much deeper meaning and reduces it down to something far more simplistic and primal. Can't be that these two hold a trust for one another that's beyond simple biology. Nope, THEY WANNA BONE.
AidanAK47
But then again, the internet often over interprets friendship as sexual attraction. During Rakugo's airing I see people absolutely convinced that Yakumo was gay. Evidence? One bath scene apparently from his POV which made it seem like he was checking out Sukeroku and the fact that the author made a lot of BL. Other than that, nothing.
AidanAK47
Then again, romance in this series was always the worst written part. So many spontaneous relationships.
AidanAK47
Alright maybe you can make the arguement that later down the line while traveling they gained romantic feelings for each other. I can somewhat buy that. But there, in the last few minutes of the series? Hell no.
AidanAK47
To me it's like the Hulk and Black Widow romance. They had literally no real interaction and yet the internet somehow decided they were a couple. Then they tried to crowbar into the second avengers movie and it was just as awkward and out of place as you would expect.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Nah I don't see it. The two did really have that much interaction. Sure they got closer as seasons went on but never to a romantic level. At best it was about decent friends. Friendship I understand but that does not lead to romance. Both Korra and Asami had heterosexual relationships and no evidence shows them being bi or getting interested in swinging for the other fence.
Anonymous1836097
Yes, it was pandering, but it can be explained and it does make sense. I could complain about many things (like the random pairings), but Asami-Korra is definitely not among them.

PS: Korra was very feministic show, I wonder what's all that about.
Anonymous1836097
Asami was strangely always getting the short end of the stick (no power, noone to lean on... and it was aggravating to see no character to care). They were both betrayed enough times to get scarred and they both realized that (the one) constant around them is their friendship.
Anonymous1836097
@AK I dont consider Legend of Korra a well written show, but it does some things pretty well. Asami-Korra pairing certainly did not come out of nowhere (e.g. S3 last ep) and it makes sense as well.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Right in the KOKORO =O
Kaiser-Eoghan
**larger half of
Kaiser-Eoghan
*episode
Kaiser-Eoghan
For the better half of this weeks after the rain episodes, I was sitting around just watching it do its thing, the second half of the episode particularly near the end was the show at one of of its stronger visual moments and certainly going for the most effecting emotional angle its put out thus far in a way that finally caught me.
AidanAK47
I don't consider Makishima a great villain but one thing I found fantastic was him getting taken off guard by a sudden attack. Loads of anime criminal masterminds somehow plan for every single little detail no matter how unlikely. But this was one case that shows you could plan for ten years and nothing would prepare you for getting suddenly bashed over the head with a motorcycle helmet.
Lenlo
Makishima is a fantastic villain
Anonymous1835766
Kaiser-Eoghan - I think the closest might be Makishima Shogo in Psycho Pass. Just in the opposite sense, showing how flawed an absolutistic system is. Also a scene from that anime, that subverts the notion of how people are shocked by violence.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Moreso than the girls death obsession, I thought the stuff with the mother in the first chapter of yakedo has the potential to go in a more messed up way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But he fails miserably and no one learns from his crimes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Why can't there be a BENEVOLENT killer character that commits horrible acts solely to shock people and show how horrifying those acts are, out of the delusion that it will inspire a reflection and change in people to NOT, to NEVER do those things.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*higher
Kaiser-Eoghan
Maybe an abused character is a servant in a historical setting with a hierarchy, trapped in societal rules and defeats the obsession with the attacker and raises up against the class system/character of hire social standing that abused them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Perhaps the cannibal killer character in the story has abandonment, severe paranoia and lonliness issues and sees his crimes as taking people inside him so they'll never leave him.
Kaiser-Eoghan
of psychological depth instead?
Kaiser-Eoghan
For the willingness to throw messed up stuff into stories, I wouldn't mind seeing an analysis thrown in, doing a story about a cannibal character? How about instead of just a gore fest, get inside is head and ask, why does he do this? I hate Ntr and its used as a throwaway turn-on involving rape eroticism, but is there any any way that a story involving that could be framed with some sense
Kaiser-Eoghan
Back on to stuff like goblin slayer, they can take out the rape scenes I wouldn't miss them, although I find them less uncomfortable, BECAUSE they are shown as how wrong rape is, instead of say a doujin playing it up for titilation .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Despite all the talking up of tsunderes, I actually love kuuderes, in the end probably the biggest reason is for how flat chested they are.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Slapstick violence always plays second to dry, dark, screwball or surreal humour.
Bokusen
Also, on tsunderes, me too. I can't stand people using physical violence on someone unless it's in self-defense, or a Fate-type scenario where they all know everyone is trying to kill everyone else. Random physical violence played up as comedy is the worst.
Bokusen
@Kaiser Ah, so it was referring to bondage. I was skimming through posts and must've missed that. Bondage still creeps me out a bit, but if it's a fetish thing I can at least understand the whole exaggerated gender roles thing.
AidanAK47
In regards to Tsunderes, yep that was a bad choice of words there Kaiser. But over time I have come to find Tsunderes more agavating. Tsunderes like Rin are fine but those that beat the crap out of the guy they like and are expected to be forgiven cause they get embarrassed can go straight to hell.
AidanAK47
Also who cares who Korra ends up with? She a goddamn horrible character. I hated her so much.
AidanAK47
Korra was a show that had love realistionships come out of nowhere(And not well written in general) but that one really was just pandering to the Korra/Asami shippers. Not sure where the hell that ship came from to begin with.
Lenlo
I agree Aidan, the love at the end of Korra came out of Left field really
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Bokusen: It was inappropriate and I shouldn't have said it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Heck one of the reasons I prefer seeing another character with another character or a character simply on their own in a fetish situation is because I can distance myself from it and not feel like I'm touching anything/one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If anything I meant role reversal.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Bokusen: I apologize, reading it back it sounds terrible, I was actually referring to bondage where the tsundere pretends to hate it initially but consents .
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Bokusen: I should state clearly that that is merely a fantasy. The anger on both sides makes it easier because even if things became more physical or intimate it would feel more distant if the talking part was she and myself saying how much we hated it , despite actualily liking it.
Bokusen
"The thing is I utterly hate the personalities of tsundere characters in bitch/dom mode, sends me into a fervor to put them in their place." OK, reading that just creeped me out.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, well you like screwed up stuff so no surprise.
Try Yakedo Shoujo. Get the feeling you will like that one quite a bit.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Legend of Korra? There was no yuri in that one. No evidence whatsoever. They just had Korra and Asami walk into some light and then announced them gay over twitter. Honesty I didn't see it in the show itself.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Also was it you that recommended happy sugar life to me? That was a pretty good psychological horror manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Going back several messages, I kind of liked goblin slayer oddly.
Anonymous1832169
Kaiser-Eoghan - Read Sakuranbo Syndrome.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: At the same time I really think more series like after the rain need to come out, showing more sensitive approaches.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nudity/sex just isn't used functionally well enough or dramatically as it should. Come on, give us a story about passionette characters, sensual/erotic rather than only porn. Or do a scums wish where miserable people are doing it because saaaaad.
Kaiser-Eoghan
kuuchuu is really one of those things I need to re-watch, I became so much more open to weirder shows in the past number of years than I would have been ages ago.
Anonymous1832169
I think my excuse in hentai, is that despair, and subjugation adds drama to a very simple thing. Though Dawn of the Silver Dragon may be the peak of objectification.
Anonymous1832214
Sure, np, though I must be off. Again, nice to chat casually. Been off forums for a while. Bye.
PS: thank you gift for anyone not familiar https://myanimelist.net/anime/6774/Kuuchuu_Buranko?q=kuuchuu
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lets talk about the spring 2018 anime season chart: http://anichart.net/spring-2018
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mods, I'm sorry for hostaging/dominating the chat like this I'll change subject.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I do think official/canon pairings of characters make more sense definitely, non-canon ones can kind of cheapen characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I really really want to say though, I totally am not okay with rape in hentai though and I don't like 50 shades of grey.
Kaiser-Eoghan
To get off this subject, funny little random memory here of reading manga in public, back when I was still into fate, some street person sat down next to me and saw a picture of berserk and said "Oh, he's quite ripped isn't he"
Anonymous1832214
@Anon could be
@Kaiser Srsly youd hate Young's Aflame Inferno - narcissistic manipulative elite MC guy plays a sub to a playful manipulative OP demon woman. I love that so much..!
Kaiser-Eoghan
The old artists valued some interesting takes on beauty too, all of those middle aged larger bodies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Someone has read this and gone off and done an Akira x Satan devilman doujin haven't they?
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the beauty and the beast thing, I wonder if characters like Elias from Mahouyome will become more popular. Monsterboys might end up catching on.
Anonymous1832169
Anonymous1832214 - I think so, I mean we paint angels following that idea.
Anonymous1832214
Thx for the talk guys (and girls). Btw. I'm the guy with weird nicks, Evaluation, Strength, Victim, etc in case anyone's wondering.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think regarding role switching and whether I prefer being dom or sub is definately based on which gender I'm playing, this goes back to the cliches of girl=the submissive character man=is the non-submissive.
Anonymous1832214
There's something about androgynous features, is there?
Kaiser-Eoghan
accept of course for the sensei, who looks like one-punchman.
Anonymous1832214
Seems consistent with your preferences towards domination. Open your heart more and feel the love. They cant help themselves. They need you to get it out. Why not play the mature person, not play the game and accept their flawed selves?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Specifically due the ambiguity.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Houseki's character designs and art is fascinating.
Anonymous1832169
I like the idea of women pretending to be men and men pretending to be women. Not necessarily transgender, just in the sense of playing the role like Hercules and Diomedes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hating them makes it easier/better aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The thing is I utterly hate the personalities of tsundere characters in bitch/dom mode, sends me into a fervor to put them in their place
Anonymous1832214
I wouldnt mind being a dominated by a (good-hearted) Pandora. So I guess I have no idea how you can even say that...
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lol now we're getting into liking certsin things because their so non-pc =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
The idea of me taking on a female role and being dominated by a woman is bizzare to me , taking on a female role and being dominated by a man, yes.
Anonymous1832214
Yeah got it. Like Senjougahara? Lol.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But she still holds on to the delusion that she's in control.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Wait, to be more specific, I was saying I liked the idea of making a tsundere girl submit, with the tsundere becoming the sub.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Youngs manga work better than say, something like ikkitosen/highschool dxd/seikon no qwaser/highschool of the dead because they go all out with the exploitation .
Anonymous1832169
I do see a correlation between the feminine guys in yaoi and the token girls in otome. I swear I don't get why otome and other young girl series, like to play the bad boy and misogynistic treatment of women. I think they we might have lost the point in Beauty and the Beast.
Anonymous1832214
Kaiser... do you know Im Dal Young's manga? Freezing, Unbalance x Unbalance, etc. He often puts the women in the dominant role. He's gotta have a thing for it. I love that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think going back to the complaints of yuri on ice not having enough bite to it, its the same as the fanservice in josei manga with the ambiguous bromances.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm a really pretentious guy, I love going into the psychology of it all.
Anonymous1832169
@Kaiser-Eoghan - As one teacher told me, the most memorable characters are the contradictory ones.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The western side often feels more tokenistic at times.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: The feminine male character exists as a safe zone for the female reader.
Kaiser-Eoghan
No wonder I enjoyed haru deiteita so much, it did the reversal thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yet people don't understand this when I say I find tsunderes attractive, what could be more appealing to me than a tsundere ending up losing the dominant role and becoming submissive?
Anonymous1832169
@Kaiser-Eoghan - I think I like that dichotomy, because since manga is already androgynous one does accept it more. Especially since of anime thread the line of making their male characters submissive. Also in a more design sense it might be because there's a power dynamic at play. That's why there's also harassment.
Anonymous1832214
I also agree that yuri is more established and accepted. Particularly in western media, which are starting to catch up? (lesbians everywhere...) Legend of Korra anyone?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: The weirdest thing is from my own perspective, when I play the female role in the relationship I understand taking on a more submissive role, yet in a male role, with a women I find being in a non-dominent role impossible.
Anonymous1832214
@Kaiser I'm not going to defend KnM, valid points. Again, it's done enough. And - I have a thing for tragic/platonic love so KnM clicked...
Anonymous1832169
Yuri can be cold, harsh and seduction is usually a weapon. Though a tiring trope is that most stories treat the couple as kind of sister type of affection. Or so I feel.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In terms of the pairings, my headcanon doesn't understand the petite-man thing in male to male relationships relationships/pairings , yet petit women I am obsessed with.
Anonymous1832169
Kaiser-Eoghan - I do agree. I suppose for me or at least when I did start watching it, it felt more risque, since at least in media lesbians seem more accepted than gay or flamboyant men. So I think the draw for me might be emasculation, because of the uke and seme dynamic. It is said the reason for that is to project their female audiences in more of a dominant role or something like that.
SuperMario
Hmm, I watched few episodes of Sekaiichi Hatsukoi and it's the romance that turned me off. It's just plain secual harassment
Kaiser-Eoghan
In some way its easier to physically work it out mentally.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which leads to the interesting phenomenon of fudanshiism.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The bizzarest thing is I am significantly more attracted to women than men yet find shounen-ai/yaoi more of a draw, while admitting the shoujo-ai/yuri stories out there are better.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I recall actually liking the music in gravitation at one point.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As silly melodrama it was somewhat watchable.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I felt that a certain off colour scene with Chikane felt like character assassination.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But the characterization and mecha fights are particularly messy in kannazuki, especially bringing the manga into it where the villains didn't even get 1 second backstories and the framing of the art and panels is poor, with some of dialogue, at least in the dub sounding very silly.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Regarding kannazuki, I'm not going to doubt that it a kyoshiro aren't rip roaringly hilarious guilty pleasures, not that this dimnishes the anons take on the female lead.
Anonymous1832214
KnM is trash anime, but very endearing and a treasure. I love it.

(Just passing by, I'm straight male with a thing for yuri genre).
Anonymous1832169
And I think Gravitation is also because music is also part of the plot and not solely the romance. I think the last one I enjoyed was Love Stage but that only had a thing going with one side being biconfused. Though it didn't do anything with that.
Anonymous1832214
Kannazuki no Miko has a heroine who readily accepts her feelings and is in a position where it is very difficult not to empathise. Her love seems very pure and to me is very rewarding to watch.
Anonymous1832169
Kaiser-Eoghan - Yeah but then you have Utena, Aoi Hana, Noir, El Cazador de la Bruja, Madoka, and several other series that just happen to have lesbian couples. In terms of good or recognizable shounen ai, it's harder, since I think the most recognizable is Gravitation, followed by (maybe) the Nakamura ones (Seikachi Hatsukoi and his other series).
Kaiser-Eoghan
The manga is even worse than the anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There are truly terrible yuri series though I'm sure, no idea how Kannazuki no miko became a cult thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Sadly there's too much rape in yaoi.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Oh, the gender roles thing is terrible in those things. Plenty of gay men are masculine irl.
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