Posted by psgels on 6 August 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews


I actually started watching anime quite late. At the moment, it’s a bit more than three years ago since I started with my first fansubbed series, .Hack//Sign, when compared to most people. That’s why I’ve got a huge list of anime that I still need to catch up to. Anyway, another series I tried around that time, perhaps a bit later, was Now and Then, Here and There. It looked all-right, and I saw some good reviews of it.

I didn’t even last half an episode.

The way this anime seemed to start was like a bad shounen-title. We’ve got a brat for a main character, who happens to practice Kendo. He’s got a rival who is always better than him, and of course a girl he has a crush on. All signs pointed to the fact that the guy would grow, beat his rival and get the girl, and that lady luck would smile at him all the way.

Boy, was I wrong.

If I had only watched till the second episode, I would have realized that this anime is something very special. For starters, we never see the rival and crush again after the first episode, and already with the second episode, things are done to that boy you just couldn’t imagine. A lot of taboos in anime are scarily brought to the surface, and the first half has to contain some of the saddest hours of anime.

I’m SO glad that I decided to give this anime a second chance, as it really is something unique. It’s one of these anime that isn’t afraid to pull its protagonists through hell, and it actually succeeds in making this avoid the pits of cheesiness by developing a cast of excellent characters. The graphics may not seem to suggest it, but this is one of the darkest shounen-titles I’ve seen. And especially one of the most realistic ones. The music also comes with a perfect score to accompany this.

Still, all good things must come to an end. The problem with this series is that the second half of the series just doesn’t live up to the first half. Oh, it’s by no means bad, it’s got about half a dozen of awesome moments, but the entire thing is nowhere near as intense and unique as the first half, and at a number of points, it gets a formulaic and a bit unrealistic.

Still, you just have to see this series for its first half. It’s been a long time since I last awarded a rating of 90/100 and above, and this series deserves it. Like Eureka7, it’s a great example of how wrong first impressions can be.

23 Responses

  1. roguewrath says:

    Its been a long time since I’ve watched this, I might have to watch this again. I almost did the same thing with Juuni Kokki, which almost seemed to formulaic in the beginning. The only reason I stuck with it was because the books it were based off were supposed to be really good.

  2. kauldron26 a.k.a tman says:

    i agree that this anime was amazing, however like saikano they were just sooo heartbreaking that i dont think i have the heart to watch them again. have u seen saikano?? it will break ur heart many times over. its pretty phenomenal tho. funny thing i also struggled to make it thru

  3. Wyrdwad says:

    This is a great anime indeed, and it’s really hard to believe that it was directed by Daichi Akitarou, of all people… the same guy who directed Kodocha, Fruits Basket, Elf Princess Rane, Jubei-chan, Grrl Power, Sexy Commando Gaiden, Animation Runner Kuromi, and a bunch of other fairly light-hearted shows. I guess he wanted to try his hand at directing something dark, and I’d say he succeeded with flying colors. Just goes to show you, when you’re a TRULY good director, you can handle almost anything the writers throw at you…

    -Tom

  4. orangee says:

    I remember watching this and thinking of how the themes that resonate in this anime were unlike any other. And how surprised I was that it brought those themes to the surface.
    As much as it is not my favorite series, it still stands out because of the storyline, and it really reminds you that storytelling through anime can encompass many aspects of life, even the harsh ones.

  5. Chris says:

    Oh wow, I saw this anime when I was still very young, it was a very different type of show and I guess it made me look for more mature shows. Now and Then has got to be one of the most depressing series out there, and it’s also based on events that are going on in Africa so it’s even worse when you think of it like that.

    This series also features a great soundtrack by Taku Iwasaki (Read or Die, Kenshin OVAs, Witch Hunter Robin) and his sad violin pieces are very effecting (like when Sara is cutting off her hair.)

    My favorite character was Sara, I really felt for her through all her abuse and I couldn’t help but think of how violated she must have felt and how helpless her situation must have been. The main lead is very likable and I was really touched by his emotional strength and determination to go on despite everything that happened to him and the girl he liked. The only thing I didn’t like was the ending, it was very depressing I was hoping for something a bit more happy after all the ordeals these kids when through.

  6. shuffee says:

    i just discovered this about a month ago, and i instatly deemed it my favourite anime of all time XD!! i like depressing stories.

  7. ap says:

    I watched this 4 years ago – the last two episodes were breathtakingly beautiful.

  8. Solaris says:

    This serie is a masterpice and a perfect example of how much anime can be well done with adult themes. Dedicated to all those who think anime are child stuff

  9. nathan porrata says:

    i bought this anime after seeing it on amazon, and right away said “this is teh best anime ever!” i’ve seen all the greats and “greats” like EVA, Miyazaki’s films, Akira, Bebop, Graves of the Fireflies, but none of those animes, nay, almost NO movie i’ve EVER seen depresed me the way this one did. i literaly walked aroudn slumped over in a depressed stump for weeks after seeing this show. the best character by far is Sara, who goes through so much during this show and comes out in the end a COMPLETLY different person than she was at the beggining. her ordeal depressed me most of all.

  10. Pegah says:

    best anime experience i ever had. recommended for everyone.

  11. Oya says:

    This is an excellent one.

  12. Youwish says:

    The protagonist has his good parts, with his emotional strength (unrealistic if you ask me though) and optimistic outlook. I can understand his continuous outlook on things as strange, but his stupidity and the associated stubbornness really frustrate me. Albeit I haven’t finished watching the series, he drives me nuts sometimes…

  13. Gottis says:

    This is a really good anime, but I still liked Fantastic Children a lot more. In fact I did a small comparison post about the two anime in my livejournal, if someone’s interested to check it out. It’s here. ^^

  14. Firechick says:

    I just got into this series and I’m already on episode 6! Episode 6 frightened me because of Sara nearly getting raped and Nabuca (who is possibly becoming my favorite character) hesitating to kill that little boy in the end, when everyone else (except Boo and Shu) are. I can really see some heart in Nabuca, and FINALLY LALA-RU TALKED!! But she didn’t sound like Nazuka Kaori to me, but hearing her talk was fine for me of all things! I’ll finish this series soon because I’m already addicted to it even though I have a tight list of anime I need to finish up!

  15. Firechick says:

    I finally got to finish this, and I think I’m officially going to put this anime in my top 20 (or at least my top 30)! Everything about it was just incredible (though three of my most favorite characters died in the most horrifying ways and I DIDN’T EVEN CRY!!! Why don’t I cry at most anime!?) and heartbreaking! And normally if a character I like kills another, I’d hate them, but in this case I STILL liked Nabuca even after what he did! Sara and Nabuca are my all-time favorite characters in this show (along with the cute little girl named Soon)! I think this anime is gonna stick with me for a loooong time! I better find a DVD boxset for it and watch the dub! But before that, I recently started watching Haibane Renmei because of the overwhelming positive reviews. All in all, this anime was overwhelmingly great and cruel (though nothing can ever beat my #1: Shounen Onmyouji!) but awesome!

  16. cheesesticks says:

    aaaah this anime disturbed me, watched it as a child a couple of years ago. O.O brutal.

  17. israel84911 says:

    I just finished watching this anime because you gave it such a good review. Wow. This was truly brilliant.
    It reminded me a lot of Miyazaki’s Castle in the Sky. There’s a boy and a mysterious girl and the boy spends quite a bit of time yelling her name and trying to find her. There’s a magical pendant/crystal. The evil dude is nuts.
    Except, you know, this is 6 bajillion times darker. Seriously. This is the darkest thing I have ever seen/read.
    Still, totally brilliant. I’m just amazed this ever got shown on television.

  18. Badesh says:

    Am i the only one who thinks this show is overrated? I was… not overly satisfied with the first half. The reason i kept watching was that it at least didn’t confuse me or demanded much of attention. The harsh fate of sara was the only thing that attached me but besides it was pretty underwhelming. I found the second halft way more satisfying – after the escape.

    But nevertheless i’d give it a 80 because it was allaround a decent show. I just don’t get how it can score higher than any ghibli movie you reviewed. (ah, i know its pointless to compare scores and nitpick – afterall its estimated score and personal opinion)

    great blog. you do alone what i can’t find on whole communities :)

  19. oto says:

    The true genius of this anime cannot be understood without fully immersing oneself into the world being shown to them. Shu’s experiences in Hellywood simultaneously represent a boy’s journey into adulthood, and a descent into the often contradictory chasms of the human condition. Specifically, after the situation with Nabuca, Soon, and Boo reaches a close, we see Shu learn what it means to truly and justifiably feel hate for another being. Although this feeling was not the only realization Shu would be forced to reach, it is the one that was most in conflict with his naive values universally full and pure peace, and is insightful on a philosophical level because it illustrates how hate often stems from love and the loss of something loved, not merely from conceptions of “good” and “evil”. However, what allowed to this anime to transcend into the level of art was the director’s use of the ending credits. While each episode would depict Shu experiencing almost unimaginable horrors, it would also end would also end with a collage of images of his hometown. These images represented Shu’s consciousness, and how he was always dreaming returning to a place untouched by the madness of Hellywood, providing the viewer with a dim but constant glimmer of hope. It is because Now and Then, Here and There is so effectively able to guide its viewer through the winding path of the human definition that it should be regarded as one of the greatest anime of all time. (While I would have liked to have gone into greater detail, I will not sacrifice spoiling the unforgettable plot of this story for those who have not yet experienced it).

    • AidanAK47 says:

      I find it funny how some people get so caught up in a few concepts presented in an anime that they convince themselves that it is some giant planned out intellectual contruction. Often they get so caught up in finding cognative meaning in the plot to reniforce their interpetation that they become unreliable when it comes to gauging the story’s actual quailty.

      • oto says:

        Your comment is honestly completely valid. My described importance of the ending credits could be a complete misinterpretation, and I could be creating meaning where there is none. But is that really the case with with a story as emotionally and ideologically charged as Now and Then, Here and Now? It’s like saying the grammatical form of Hamlet’s soliloquies have no meaning, that the overall structure of Robert Frost’s poems are purely coincidental, that the Mona Lisa was painted just to look pretty. Sure, your comment can be applied to fluff anime like Dragonaut: The Resonance or Hamtaro, but Now and Then, Here and There is quite obviously not in the same class of story. The use of ending credits to express an idea is not a new concept. The credits of the movie “Seven” (released in 1995, 7 years before Now and Then, Here and There) with Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman unfolded in reverse order, a technique obviously implemented to compliment the morally contradictory nature of the film’s ending. In relation to the presentation of Now and Then, Here and Now, anyone who took the time to fully watch the anime can support the claim that the animators favor the use of visual/audio stimuli and animated intention over written dialogue to express ideas, as can be seen in any of the sequences between Hamdo and Abelia, or even the numerous fights/interactions between Shu and Nabuca. This idea can be best visualized if one compares Now and Then, Here and Now to a dialogue heavy anime like Tatami Galaxy. Furthermore, why would the director choose such a “childish” looking art-style as the medium to tell a tale ripe with situations of extortion, rape, and systematic murder? Could he not find anyone who could draw well enough? Did he want to market the story grade-school children? The answer to these questions are, quite obviously, no. While this is once again a personal interpretation, I believe that the choice to present Now and Then, Here and Now in a “childish” art form was a deliberate decision on the part of the animators to constantly remind the viewer that the depicted violence of the series was most wholly felt by children. And even though the main characters, specifically Shu, still visually perceived events as children do, they were forced into situations that no person, let alone any child, should be exposed to. Taking such evidence into consideration, is it really that difficult understand how the ending credits themselves carry meaning? As I stated in my first comment, one cannot fully appreciate the genius of Now and Then, Here and Now without fully immersing themselves in the story presented to them. When it comes down to it, good stories and truly great stories are separated by subtleties. Failure, or rather, refusal to recognize and interpret these subtleties, is merely the sign of a lacking reviewer.

  20. fraggleroc says:

    Reading your comment years later… Love it, oto. And I agree with it completely.

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the same very thought here Lenlo. What I considered the weakest part turned out to be so layered. Sorry for ever doubting you, Rakugo.
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I listen to podcasts on youtube and others places as well as going on Reddit Anime to hear a thousand people yammering away.
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AidanAK47 I can't get into Fate since like with Nanoha there's a lot of stuff with those names in it. Zero was the most straightforward, yet the buildup was very dragout but the payoffs where very worthy.
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AidanAK47
He finished it and was telling me what he thought of Saber defeating Gilgamesh. Minute he said that I was like "OH GOD..." He watched the Deen 2006 adaption. Sadly it loos like he's not going to bother watching UBW TV despite me showing him part of the berserker fight. With Fate/Extra, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Oath under the snow and all the rest this problem will happen again.
AidanAK47
You know I wish the Fate series did a better job naming it's series. I was introducing a newbie so I gave him Fate/Zero first. He loved it so I specifically told him to watch the UBW TV Series and don't mistake it for the movie. He then went and watched the movie. I told him to watch the TV series regardless and brought up the MAL page to show him which one.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, there's definately no harm in doing further reading on more arthouse stuff before reviewing it/watching/after watching, it extends our understanding and is pretty much required.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Go for it, you might sell me on reading it.
Kaiser Eoghan
Yeah, I generally only write reviews every now and then, and they tend to be kept simple and to 200-300 words. My writing ability only really works when I write in stream of consciousness.
Anonymous855550
Zestiria is such a feast for the eyes... The colors and backgrounds are so vivid and magnificent. Story has improved on the game's weaknesses too!
Lenlo
Given enough time, im sure I could write something, but as I writer I tend towards quick, decisive statements of what I think and why. Engineer, so technical documents are like the only thing I know how to write.
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@Supermario ah, I'd say I'm the opposite in that I sometimes don't know why I like something so much, and when I read a review about it I can relate my own experiences and put it in my own words pretty well. Can thank Highschool eco for that
SuperMario
But to tell you guys the truth, I never think that I'm cut out as a reviewer (even now), because I'm a type of viewer who more perceive (I know why I like/ don't like stuffs) than express (just can't never explain stuffs well)
SuperMario
@Topgavin: it's depending on what grabbing you really; as I always find shows with heavy symbolisms like Penguindrum or Flip Flappers the easiest to dig deeper. But those are always my kind of show to begin with
Topgavin
I'd find it really hard to write something about a show without reading about it first; watching it one time by myself I usually only notice the big things. Stuff like Flip Flappers I had no clue what half the episode's hidden meanings were, can't imagine reviewing a show like NGE or penguindrum.
SuperMario
that's exactly how I write my reviews anyways
Lenlo
I cant imagine writing a review, id just repeat myself with different words but the same intended meaning over and over again
AidanAK47
Wonder if I should write a review of this. Might be hard without giving too much away.
AidanAK47
(Finishes Sweetest monster Visual novel)
.....well....fuck.
(Buys all authors visual novels on steam.)
Lenlo
Sadly, I doubt Nioh will get a PC port. Sony is pretty stingy on their exclusives, like Bloodborne. But I am so very happy with Nioh. I love technical combat like this
Kaiser Eoghan
I suppose this means I'm looking into this rpg maker game thing now isn't it? Might aswell.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the word animerican used to describe things like avatar last airbender. Filthy word =P
Anonymous853606
God no. Jiro Taniguchi died.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I have been hearing very good things about Nioh. Really hoping it gets a PC port.
@Topgavin, No real surprises there.
Topgavin
I'm sure most of you have heard, but looks like New Game is getting a season 2 out of all things. Apparently they had good sales, and I can certainly see why. CGDCT with yuri undertones and clean animation is hard to get wrong, let alone not sell.
Lenlo
Just started with Nioh, and oh my goodness do I love it.
Anonymous852887
anyone play resident evil 7? its so good.
AidanAK47
Thought that's because the term American Anime just feels wrong to me on all levels.
AidanAK47
@Anon, they do not. They are cartoons.
Anonymous852775
DO people call D.C. Comics animated movies American anime?
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am certainly interested in seeing the next episode. Those minisodes were pretty good too. One thing I thought the writting faltered on though was the comedy. It really was a little too slapstick considering how serious the drama was.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: ah remind me the time I went to Texas (Corpus Christy) before X-mas time and I was wearing short pants and thongs (nice!!!), then went all the way up to Niagara Falls and I was almost freezing there.
Lenlo
See, I love winter, but its almost non-existent in Texas
Anonymous852268
@Aidan: I agree. I loved To the Moon. It's so good seeing emotional drama that isn't centered around high-school kids. Seeing the ups and downs of a whole long life of a person gives everything that happens way more impact.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: An Australian friend put it as "A sunbaked rock in summer, a giant zoo, that actively tries to kill its population"
SuperMario
Not that I'm enjoying the winter either. Why autumn always go so fast?
SuperMario
Believe me but summer here is way too much. When it's too hot and dry it starts bushfiring really badly. And it's too hot that even a big fan straight in front of you don't do you any good
Kaiser Eoghan
What is this mysterious creature known as summer you refer to? =P My country is grey as a black and white film =P
SuperMario
I'm wondering how freezing you guys have to endure right now, but the place I came today in Aussie just reached 50 degree celsius this noon. So hot I felt myself burning
Lenlo
I think the part I liked the most, was just how satisfying those mud splatter sounds were. I dont know why, but its in my head
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki 6 subs came out at 11pm PST.
Lenlo
Atleast Rakugo didnt get held up. Still amazing as ever
AidanAK47
Well I spent my time waiting for it to come out by playing and finishing To the Moon. Got to say, it takes some real skill to make a game in RPGmaker that can make you really feel something. But maybe I am just a sucker for this kind of story.
SuperMario
Hey, I would be very frustrating if Hand shakers got delayed. But I agree this delay is caused by Being X. And Scum's Wish, haizzz, this is the show we love to get pissed at. Haha
Anonymous850298
I blame Being X.
AidanAK47
Sigh, Youjo Senki 6 is delayed. Why is it always the best shows that get delayed? If an episode of hand Shakers was delayed no one would give a crap but nope. Gotta be the show you want to watch right away.
AidanAK47
@Anon, in both anime and manga I never liked that character much.
Anonymous849783
Meh, dropped Masamune-kun. Seriously why do they always have to shove in these one dimensional characters with a crush out of f* nowhere. It never made any of these shows more interesting, it's always the opposite.
Vonter
@Kaiser Eoghan - I find it weird having the teacher being so unashamedly evil. In a way I like that, but at the same time I can't relate to the notion of people like that existing IRL.
Kaiser Eoghan
As I continue to watch scums wish, it becomes an anger inducing as much as it is engrossing experience.
AidanAK47
Or the UBW movie over the TV series. You just don't do that.
AidanAK47
That's like recommending someone to watch NGE death and rebirth instead of the TV series.
Kaiser Eoghan
Meh, I just got fed up with the padding in the tv version.
AidanAK47
Jojo has the kind of entertainment that clicks with you or doesn't so I understand if you didn't get into it. Though to give it a fair chance I would recommend trying the first episodes of Battle Tendency. It starts at episode 10 of the first season, you can jump to it. If that doesn't catch you then Jojos really isn't for you.
AidanAK47
Don't listen to Kaiser. The OVA is bad.
Kaiser Eoghan
....found out where a friend had been off to lately, making a movie and he ended up actually making and finishing and I got first dibs. Had a hard time commenting on it as I know the guy personally.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Totally with you on the academy thing.
@Lenlo: If you ever try jojo again and get onto part three go for the ova instead as it trims down an overly bloated arc.
Lenlo
For JoJos, I couldnt get through the first season. It just didnt hook me
Lenlo
What I dont understand is how anything other than Mob Psycho won best animation, cause my god.
Lenlo
I think Erased lost not because of the libido, but because Yuri was "gay" and "progressive" and most important of all, recent. Yuri had just finished airing so it was stuck in everyones heads. Of course it was going to win everything
AidanAK47
Erased truly deserved to win that category and it only lost because people voted with their libido instead of their head.
AidanAK47
If there's one thing that really makes me angry about these awards it's Yuri on Ice winning most heartwarming moment for "The Kiss". Because A) It wasn't a fucking kiss and B) Even if it was that isn't heartwarming. Oh I am sure something is getting warm but it sure as hell isn't your heart.
AidanAK47
Likely the main reason Kira didn't win main villain because Jojo has grown to a episode count which makes people hesitant to pick it up. Not to mention many would lose interest by Stardust crusaders midpoint.
AidanAK47
When it comes to judging quality you have to leave it to the people who have experienced enough of the medium to truly be able to critical judge it. Pretty darn sure most who voted didn't even bother watching everything worthwhile each season and just gravitated towards whatever they were exposed to.
AidanAK47
Lets not forget someone voting multiple times and bot voting. Because yes, people really do that. As you two pointed out, a public vote was never truly going to be a accurate gauge of quality. For you are not only opening the vote to anime lovers but also newbies and those who simply haven't refined their tastes yet.
SuperMario
so they either abstained their votes (which actually was reasonable); voted for something popular or even voted based on what their kids liked the most (which was flat out unforgivable).
SuperMario
This from my own frustration mostly when it comes to awards like this. But I've been following the Academy Awards for way too long now and every now and then you heard something that really disheartened about their voting process. Like for example many of the Academy members admitted that they don't care to watch anything animated because... it's kiddy stuff
SuperMario
TL;DR: my point is I have mixed feeling about the whole Crunchyroll awards. One more thing that I noticed about the nomination is that the pool was dominated by shows from the first half of last year.
Lenlo
I dont think public voting is the way to go is the thing. Popularity contests are horrible. With popularity contests moe is going to be near the top every time, while shows like Rakugo never really have a chance. And I think there is little doubt that Rakugo was one of the best shows last season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: there is an issue with the first thou, because reviewers like us don't actually represent the whole public opinions. So it's all come down to the very reason they create an award in a 1st place (your second point). But with voting we can't really reason why the winners win the trophy, right?
Lenlo
The problem with awards like that is for them to mean anything they need 2 things. 1) A board of voters who are actual reviewers who have watched a large portion of what was on shelf that season. 2) Reasons for why each thing won its award. An award without reasons means nothing
SuperMario
Other issue about voting for these awards is that the nominating body and the voting body aren't always the same. Usually the voting body is broader and more generic in taste, so I'm not at all surprised when shows like Rakugo couldn't win. Too art-house for their liking. Well, at least it got nominated which for me is good enough.
SuperMario
That's the thing. When it comes to awards, they are more 'popularity' contest than actual quality, since people tend to vote for the safer choice (the one that are both popular and mildly critical success), YOI fits the bill here.
Lenlo
Those awards were not the best and little more then a popularity contest imo.
SuperMario
Actually with that line-up I had no problems with YOI taking the top spot
SuperMario
I actually forgot about the Crunchyroll Anime Awards so I came to check the winner. Guess which show won AOTY huh? Alright, at least it wasn't Kabaneri or Jokers Game
Kaiser Eoghan
But the best one was Mask of Phantasm.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: And return of the joker also.
Kaiser Eoghan
It has aged admittedly very poorly, but I always got a great kick out of that old 1994 spiderman cartoon.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I think its fair to use the term K-anime or C-anime for the Korean and Chinese influenced stuff, or maybe just anime would be just as appropriate. If some Argentinian guy can write/draw a manga for a Japanese manga magazine (big comic superior thats the magazines name) and have it actually be called a manga, it should be the same for China/Korea.
Lenlo
Mhmm. Marvel had the movies, but DC had the animated series
AidanAK47
Man, I loved the villains of Batman Beyond. Inque and Shriek had such interesting powers. The DC animated shows tended to be the one that didn't treat you like a kid while watching.
Lenlo
Well, they released a trailer for Samurai Jack S5, so its coming. Batman Beyond I also enjoyed
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