Posted by psgels on 22 September 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews, Toward the Terra


Those who’ve been frequenting my blog for the past few months probably have seen me ramble about the “big three” of the spring-season: Bokura no, Kaze no Shoujo Emily and Toward the Terra. While a lot more excellent series have been released in the past Spring and Summer-season, these three form the cream of the crop, they’re all consistently outstanding in their own way and are without a doubt my favourite series of the past half year.

Today the first one has ended: Toward the Terra. It’s an epic science-fiction series about outcasts with psychic powers called the Myu. The storytelling is incredibly fast-paced. You hardly run into an episode that doesn’t have some kind of climax. While most other anime need aftermath- and introduction-episodes for fleshing out the characters, the episodes in Toward the Terra flawlessly combine the quiet moments along with the tense ones, and it works like a charm.

It’s clear that the writers have talent, because not only do they write some of the best action-scenes (which finally are more about the characters than the action itself) I’ve seen the past year, they also excel in the character-development department. If you watch the first few episodes, you might wonder why such a beautiful tale can come from just teenagers, but don’t worry: around episode ten, we see countless of time-leaps, and the real meat of the series happens when around ten years have passed since then. This provides countless opportunities for character-development, and Toward the Terra grabs all of them. Because of this, it features one of the best antagonists I’ve seen in anime, just because the guy gets such an incredible amount of development. Around the middle of the series, the plot-twists become so mind-boggling that you won’t be able to predict them, and watch out for episodes 21 and 22: they’re quite close to the best and most emotionally charged episodes I’ve ever seen for the past year.

In terms of production-values, Toward the Terra also delivers. While it’s impossible to beat El Cazador’s soundtrack in the past season, it easily grabs second place with a bunch of epic tunes, perfect for the fast and slow pacing. The graphics also look awesome, but be aware that the character-designs are different from usual. If you’re used to the character-designs of series like Kanon or Shakugan no Shana, then you’re going to have to get used to the character-designs of Toward the Terra a bit (see the screenshots).

Regarding the bad points, for me the quieter episodes near the beginning and the ending that weren’t as good as their preceding ones were a tad disappointing. I expected to be blown away by the episodes, and while some did with a huge force, others didn’t. The first few episodes also might be a bit hard to get into, due to the fact that the main character gets a bit whiny at times, but don’t worry: he’ll change into someone much better.

29 Responses

  1. Hoshia says:

    THIS IS MY FAVOURITE ANIME EVER!
    There are lots of awesome and touching episodes that totally catch my heart,esp. Matsuka’s death. But I have to admit that some quite episodes are not as good as those exciting ones. The ending is a good and harmony one,that’s not bad.

  2. Mythophile says:

    This is one of the few animes I can honestly say is a winner all the way around. While my inner fangirl wanted some things to be a different, I can say I’m pleased with the way they wrote this one. It doesn’t suffer from the wild ups and downs in terms of quality and pacing that many animes do.

  3. sovayfox says:

    I love this tv show a lot. the ending I waited for and watched all at once. it was one ofhhte best I have ever seen. thanks for blogging it.

  4. Aya says:

    Thenk you for blogging this series.
    I looked for this anime’s blog in English, but I could find few though I believe this series is owesome, so I was happy. Episode21&22 was very very good, I think so, too!!!
    Thank you for reading my poor English.
    Terra he…DAISUKI!!!

  5. monta says:

    Hoshia, don’t put spoilers in your comment please *rolleyes*. some people want to read the reviews to know whether it’s worth watching or not

  6. Sarah says:

    I totally agree…I just watched this two days ago and stayed up until 3am in the morning. It was that captivating. The only real critique I have of it is that sometimes the series took itself too seriously, especially in the beginning when I wasn’t quite into it completely yet, and the ending was a little too rushed. But still, I think everything else overshadows these flaws.

    For one thing, I thought to myself, “finally, a sci-fi anime series which actually focuses on the characters for once, and not how many things can be blown up.” Alright, I’m not giving enough credit to those other series. They do attempt to have character development, but it almost always ends up shallow with the characters being simple and two dimensional. I mean, I don’t care about action scenes unless I care about the characters first; then I’ll be really into the battles, wanting them to win and not get killed and whatnot.

    I also praise the character design for Blue. When I saw him, I was like, wow he is beautiful. And damn, the writers can really do sad scenes because I cried at the end; there was such an emotional impact with this series for me. I began watching Macross Frontier today and it’s sad that, although the budget is obviously larger and the animation is higher in quality, Toward the Terra beats it by miles. Or at least I think so.

    Anyways I think I’ve said enough. Sorry. I rambled but I don’t think this series gets enough recognition, and while it’s not my all-time favourite, it’s still up there.

  7. edward says:

    it is so facinating how similar this series is to battlestar galactica [reimagining] all the main beats of both shows are verry different but the bases is their. myus fleeing to find the paridise of terra[aka :earth] a place they can call home. [galactica: the colonists fleeing with the human race away from the cylons to find earth their new home] [p.s mild to big spoilers ahead incase anyone havent seen galactica]

    and in the middle of this series the myu’s find a planet and start living on it until the humans find out and they have to escape and leave.

    in season 3 of galactica the colonists find a planet they name new caprica and start on it until the cylons apear and inslave humanity until they escape.

    and for the ending.

    terra: everyone finally finds earth but is broken hearted to find the once beautiful paridise is a beautiful waistland.

    galactica: almost the same happends here. the colonists reach earth. everyone is overjoyed until they land and a broken adama picks up a dead peace of earth looking at the baron waistland that sarounds their feet. they find that earth was destroyed in a nuclear hollicost 3’000 years ago.

    many of the themes are similar too abeit galactica is MUCH more complicated and tackles human emotion in proberly the most realistic way ive ever seen in tv. powerful stuff.

  8. Montel says:

    Ok I must admit I let lose a few tears at the end of this series, the soundtrack compliments the story well, and the characters are well thought out. There are no characters that any amount of reasonable time was spent on that did not play a part in this. I love how the story comes back to the nature of human beings to be basically sheep doing what they are told but when confronted with the reality they take action. long story short its a good series touching and moving definite recommendation.

  9. Tan-Tan says:

    I just finished the series.

    Fuck. Just fuck.

    Just fucking awesome.

  10. Nichokiu says:

    A very special thank you to the author of this review for introducing one of the most epic and brilliant animes I’ve ever feasted my eyes on!!!

    To be honest, I was juggling whether to watch this anime for weeks… to me, the animation designs turned me off a bit, and when I googled the anime, the screenshots and pictures didn’t seem all that exciting, and the design of the characters seem to be quite poor.

    Boy, was I DAMN wrong. I watched the WHOLE anime in 30 hours.. sleeping only 3 hours. I’ve never been so intrigued with an anime before.

    Now I rarely swear, but I echo the comment by Tan-Tan above… this anime is “F*CKING” AWESOME!

  11. temperus says:

    I’m four episodes in, and I can’t stand this show so far. There is no suspension of disbelief; everyone is a one-dimensional idiot, led by more idiotic one-dimensional characters. I will try to stick through past the first time skip, because I really do want Terra e to impress me, since everyone rates it so highly. But so far it’s really tough to muster up the will to do so.

  12. Nichokiu says:

    Trust me temperus, this anime goes no where but up, up and up from episode 4..

  13. Tan-Tan says:

    Alleluia, Nichokiu.

  14. jho says:

    I just got to finally watch this anime. oh my gosh. How is it that I miss top 5 of all time shows like this? Just wow…

  15. Nichokiu says:

    This anime is so damn good I come back here to post even after a month’s time. Geez, I probably rewatched it 20 times already! >.

  16. exuver says:

    Ahh I just started watching Terra again for the like… billionth time… and I have to say it still ranks way above animes like Macross Frontier, Gurren Lagann, (both of which I could not stand) and a lot of other high budget, popular franchises.
    It’s still without a doubt my #1 heartbreakingly awesome choice.

  17. Nichokiu says:

    Second that so whole-heartedly exuver!

    It saddens me that so many out there are missing out on such a brilliant gem!

  18. Sarah says:

    Jeez, after a year since my post I came back to check this blog JUST to read the praises people have been writing for Toward the Terra. That’s how much I love this…I’m such a goner for this series >

  19. Matt Glatz says:

    well Ive seen the first 6 episodes and have not been impressed. i think my standards were to high, not bad but definitely not awesome

    but ill keep watching for a couple more episodes hopefully it gets better

  20. Kurage says:

    Thanks for blogging about this show, as I would never have watched it otherwise. It truly is an amazing series. Now excuse me, I need to go buy the dvds!

  21. shreyasee says:

    I keep watching Terra again and again and again.And each time I watch it I shed tears. Its my favourite anime

  22. shreyasee says:

    I keep watching this anime again and again and again.And I just love it!

  23. anusha says:

    this is the heck of an anime.without doubt all those who watched it were stricken with emotions.I couldn’t sleep for a few nights after i watched it

  24. arzamond says:

    it’s good, interenting and enjoyable
    really worth ur time

    but the plot logic flawed… imo.

  25. cRystaL says:

    nichokiu,,i totally agree with you, ‘ya know..i’ve watched a lot, and i mean a LOT of animes, but Toward the Terra is just one heck of an AWESOME anime!!and i echo your comment, “it saddens me that so many out there are missing out on such a brilliant gem!”..it’s just sooo amazing, but why can’t other people notice it?..whatever..what’s important is that i got to know this fantastic anime!!yeahhh….!!!

  26. kimi-chan says:

    can u watch kaze no shoujo emily online? if so, where?

  27. devilzzy says:

    I’m so glad to have stumbled upon this review as I did, as many others, contemplated on whether to watch or not. I’m a fan of many sci-fi or space type anime where it really focuses on not only characters but the plot as well; but after watching macross frontier I was pretty let down seeming as its budget and rave about it was pretty high.
    Thank god I decided to watch this as now it’s in my all time top 5 and has definitely made me shed tears throughout the whole series. Sure, the first few episodes where Jomi was selfish and self-centered was pretty.. hard to get through but it only got better and better. For all those who are interested in sci-fi or space anime in general and has not been impressed by the first three episodes or so, I say keep watching. It really only gets better.

  28. Souther says:

    I would give the series a relatively lower rating, but generally speaking the results were still very enjoyable and satisfactory for me. Definitely underrated and worth watching.

    The ending did seem slightly rushed, though I don’t have any problems with the bittersweet nature of the result. It’s fitting for the material and, as they say, there’s still some hope left.

    As for the characters, I would have to say the cast is good, as a whole, but I ended up preferring Jomy to Keith. He is an effective antagonist, to be sure, yet the problem is Keith keeps up his stone face for way too long. He develops, no doubt, but the small glimpses we get about his feelings and emotions don’t really cause him to change until the story is almost over.

    Now, I haven’t checked this out myself, but I’ve heard that in the original manga he shows more critical thinking skills and questions the system even before the ending, which is also apparently similar in general but significantly differently in some specific areas.

  29. Deepak says:

    Thank you psgels for introducing me to such a wonderful anime

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I suppose this means I'm looking into this rpg maker game thing now isn't it? Might aswell.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the word animerican used to describe things like avatar last airbender. Filthy word =P
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@Lenlo, I have been hearing very good things about Nioh. Really hoping it gets a PC port.
@Topgavin, No real surprises there.
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Just started with Nioh, and oh my goodness do I love it.
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Thought that's because the term American Anime just feels wrong to me on all levels.
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@Anon, they do not. They are cartoons.
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DO people call D.C. Comics animated movies American anime?
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@Anon, I am certainly interested in seeing the next episode. Those minisodes were pretty good too. One thing I thought the writting faltered on though was the comedy. It really was a little too slapstick considering how serious the drama was.
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@Lenlo: ah remind me the time I went to Texas (Corpus Christy) before X-mas time and I was wearing short pants and thongs (nice!!!), then went all the way up to Niagara Falls and I was almost freezing there.
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See, I love winter, but its almost non-existent in Texas
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@Aidan: I agree. I loved To the Moon. It's so good seeing emotional drama that isn't centered around high-school kids. Seeing the ups and downs of a whole long life of a person gives everything that happens way more impact.
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@Mario: An Australian friend put it as "A sunbaked rock in summer, a giant zoo, that actively tries to kill its population"
SuperMario
Not that I'm enjoying the winter either. Why autumn always go so fast?
SuperMario
Believe me but summer here is way too much. When it's too hot and dry it starts bushfiring really badly. And it's too hot that even a big fan straight in front of you don't do you any good
Kaiser Eoghan
What is this mysterious creature known as summer you refer to? =P My country is grey as a black and white film =P
SuperMario
I'm wondering how freezing you guys have to endure right now, but the place I came today in Aussie just reached 50 degree celsius this noon. So hot I felt myself burning
Lenlo
I think the part I liked the most, was just how satisfying those mud splatter sounds were. I dont know why, but its in my head
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki 6 subs came out at 11pm PST.
Lenlo
Atleast Rakugo didnt get held up. Still amazing as ever
AidanAK47
Well I spent my time waiting for it to come out by playing and finishing To the Moon. Got to say, it takes some real skill to make a game in RPGmaker that can make you really feel something. But maybe I am just a sucker for this kind of story.
SuperMario
Hey, I would be very frustrating if Hand shakers got delayed. But I agree this delay is caused by Being X. And Scum's Wish, haizzz, this is the show we love to get pissed at. Haha
Anonymous850298
I blame Being X.
AidanAK47
Sigh, Youjo Senki 6 is delayed. Why is it always the best shows that get delayed? If an episode of hand Shakers was delayed no one would give a crap but nope. Gotta be the show you want to watch right away.
AidanAK47
@Anon, in both anime and manga I never liked that character much.
Anonymous849783
Meh, dropped Masamune-kun. Seriously why do they always have to shove in these one dimensional characters with a crush out of f* nowhere. It never made any of these shows more interesting, it's always the opposite.
Vonter
@Kaiser Eoghan - I find it weird having the teacher being so unashamedly evil. In a way I like that, but at the same time I can't relate to the notion of people like that existing IRL.
Kaiser Eoghan
As I continue to watch scums wish, it becomes an anger inducing as much as it is engrossing experience.
AidanAK47
Or the UBW movie over the TV series. You just don't do that.
AidanAK47
That's like recommending someone to watch NGE death and rebirth instead of the TV series.
Kaiser Eoghan
Meh, I just got fed up with the padding in the tv version.
AidanAK47
Jojo has the kind of entertainment that clicks with you or doesn't so I understand if you didn't get into it. Though to give it a fair chance I would recommend trying the first episodes of Battle Tendency. It starts at episode 10 of the first season, you can jump to it. If that doesn't catch you then Jojos really isn't for you.
AidanAK47
Don't listen to Kaiser. The OVA is bad.
Kaiser Eoghan
....found out where a friend had been off to lately, making a movie and he ended up actually making and finishing and I got first dibs. Had a hard time commenting on it as I know the guy personally.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Totally with you on the academy thing.
@Lenlo: If you ever try jojo again and get onto part three go for the ova instead as it trims down an overly bloated arc.
Lenlo
For JoJos, I couldnt get through the first season. It just didnt hook me
Lenlo
What I dont understand is how anything other than Mob Psycho won best animation, cause my god.
Lenlo
I think Erased lost not because of the libido, but because Yuri was "gay" and "progressive" and most important of all, recent. Yuri had just finished airing so it was stuck in everyones heads. Of course it was going to win everything
AidanAK47
Erased truly deserved to win that category and it only lost because people voted with their libido instead of their head.
AidanAK47
If there's one thing that really makes me angry about these awards it's Yuri on Ice winning most heartwarming moment for "The Kiss". Because A) It wasn't a fucking kiss and B) Even if it was that isn't heartwarming. Oh I am sure something is getting warm but it sure as hell isn't your heart.
AidanAK47
Likely the main reason Kira didn't win main villain because Jojo has grown to a episode count which makes people hesitant to pick it up. Not to mention many would lose interest by Stardust crusaders midpoint.
AidanAK47
When it comes to judging quality you have to leave it to the people who have experienced enough of the medium to truly be able to critical judge it. Pretty darn sure most who voted didn't even bother watching everything worthwhile each season and just gravitated towards whatever they were exposed to.
AidanAK47
Lets not forget someone voting multiple times and bot voting. Because yes, people really do that. As you two pointed out, a public vote was never truly going to be a accurate gauge of quality. For you are not only opening the vote to anime lovers but also newbies and those who simply haven't refined their tastes yet.
SuperMario
so they either abstained their votes (which actually was reasonable); voted for something popular or even voted based on what their kids liked the most (which was flat out unforgivable).
SuperMario
This from my own frustration mostly when it comes to awards like this. But I've been following the Academy Awards for way too long now and every now and then you heard something that really disheartened about their voting process. Like for example many of the Academy members admitted that they don't care to watch anything animated because... it's kiddy stuff
SuperMario
TL;DR: my point is I have mixed feeling about the whole Crunchyroll awards. One more thing that I noticed about the nomination is that the pool was dominated by shows from the first half of last year.
Lenlo
I dont think public voting is the way to go is the thing. Popularity contests are horrible. With popularity contests moe is going to be near the top every time, while shows like Rakugo never really have a chance. And I think there is little doubt that Rakugo was one of the best shows last season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: there is an issue with the first thou, because reviewers like us don't actually represent the whole public opinions. So it's all come down to the very reason they create an award in a 1st place (your second point). But with voting we can't really reason why the winners win the trophy, right?
Lenlo
The problem with awards like that is for them to mean anything they need 2 things. 1) A board of voters who are actual reviewers who have watched a large portion of what was on shelf that season. 2) Reasons for why each thing won its award. An award without reasons means nothing
SuperMario
Other issue about voting for these awards is that the nominating body and the voting body aren't always the same. Usually the voting body is broader and more generic in taste, so I'm not at all surprised when shows like Rakugo couldn't win. Too art-house for their liking. Well, at least it got nominated which for me is good enough.
SuperMario
That's the thing. When it comes to awards, they are more 'popularity' contest than actual quality, since people tend to vote for the safer choice (the one that are both popular and mildly critical success), YOI fits the bill here.
Lenlo
Those awards were not the best and little more then a popularity contest imo.
SuperMario
Actually with that line-up I had no problems with YOI taking the top spot
SuperMario
I actually forgot about the Crunchyroll Anime Awards so I came to check the winner. Guess which show won AOTY huh? Alright, at least it wasn't Kabaneri or Jokers Game
Kaiser Eoghan
But the best one was Mask of Phantasm.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: And return of the joker also.
Kaiser Eoghan
It has aged admittedly very poorly, but I always got a great kick out of that old 1994 spiderman cartoon.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I think its fair to use the term K-anime or C-anime for the Korean and Chinese influenced stuff, or maybe just anime would be just as appropriate. If some Argentinian guy can write/draw a manga for a Japanese manga magazine (big comic superior thats the magazines name) and have it actually be called a manga, it should be the same for China/Korea.
Lenlo
Mhmm. Marvel had the movies, but DC had the animated series
AidanAK47
Man, I loved the villains of Batman Beyond. Inque and Shriek had such interesting powers. The DC animated shows tended to be the one that didn't treat you like a kid while watching.
Lenlo
Well, they released a trailer for Samurai Jack S5, so its coming. Batman Beyond I also enjoyed
AidanAK47
Ah Samurai Jack. Wonder how that Adult swim revival is going? Batman the Animated Series as well didn't need Batman to crack off jokes every minute to be great.
Lenlo
Agreed. Samurai Jack was one of my favorite cartoons for that very reason. It ran the gamut of genres, each episode being something different.
Also I used Nichijou cause it was the first to come to my mind as a "Kids Show", though Love-Ru works as well
AidanAK47
One thing I think Cartoons could do to move away from the stigma of being for kids is having more genres than Comedy and Action adventure. Or at least stop putting comedy in everything.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Every fanbase has it's fanatics. There are idiots everywhere.
@Lenlo, I thought this might come up though I was expecting more of "placing Berserk and To Love-Ru in the same category" thing. Honestly I don't have a rebuttal for that. What is an isn't anime is really a matter of what anime is to you.
Lenlo
Now Aidan, you say putting Berserk and Scoopy doo in the same category is wrong, but what about Berserk and say.. Nichijou? A similar problem comes up and I think thats more to do with Berserk being a pretty major outlier (And I love it for being so. Have all the original Dark Horse volumes on my shelf)
Lenlo
Really though, reading Reddit arguments about it is so much fun.
Lenlo
I do think that recently, a number of shows have been trying to move cartoon, and animation in general in the west, away from meaning "For Kids".
Lenlo
Im not sure sure about that Anon, look at the Steven Universe and MLP fanbases.
Anonymous840067
Aidan, that isn't true... Anime has a 'special' name because it's fan base is a lot more fanatical than the cartoon fan base.
AidanAK47
Though I think the whole "Its not for kids" is the main push. Looking at my anime collection the majority is rated 15 with a few 12s. It's like the way you have Young Adult and mature, Comic books and graphic novels, or Visual novels and Eroge. They are essentially the same thing but appeal to different audiences.
AidanAK47
Though I think what really pushes this argument is that the term anime at least has a badge of honor. You don't see people demanding a show to be called a cartoon.
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