Posted by psgels on 22 October 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews


Apologies for the lateness of this review, but more on that later. Let me first put up a warning: if you’re planning to watch this series and have some kind of little brother or sister: keep Shigurui AWAY from them. Nobody under sixteen should be allowed to watch this. Not only is this one of the, if not THE goriest anime I’ve seen, it’s also filled with over-the-top sexual reference.

Sure, a show like Elfen Lied may have had more blood, but that was also all it had: lots of blood and random limbs gushed over the screen, but it never really went further than that. Shigurui carries gore to an entirely next level. The amount of detail is astonishing; the creators have an amazing amount of medical knowledge, and they use al of it. When a finger gets broken, you see exactly which bones dislocate. When an arm gets cut off, you see exactly how the muscles grow back. And that’s what makes it such an effective horror-series.

Especially when you combine it with the storytelling. The pacing is very slow, but it uses the gore and very creepy sound-effects to create an extremely tight atmosphere. It’ll have you during its many and creepy climaxes. If it wasn’t for its flaws, this would have been one beast of an anime.

Because yes, it’s a shame, but there are a few things that went wrong here. Especially in the first half, the creators get carried away a bit too much and delve in pointless rituals, like cutting off a woman’s nipple and eating it. Only at episode six, the series gets back on track With a gripping and powerful second half. The role of women also isn’t too good in this series. Basically, every single guy in the series is a bastard, and nearly all the women are good for is to serve as sex-objects or helpless sword-targets.

My biggest gripe is with the ending, though. The ending, while it does resolve a few things, leaves huge amounts of plotholes open. The reason I’m so late with this review is that I kept hoping that there would be some kind of thirteenth episode that would wrap the entire series up, but there’s nothing. One of the two major questions asked in the beginning hasn’t even been answered, for goodness’ sake.

Still, despite this, Shigurui is a definite recommendation for those who can stomach the huge amounts of gore. The animation may be simple, and most of the series consists of still frames, but the art itself makes up for it, by being incredibly detailed, and it’s only when the creators turn to CG on very few occasions that it doesn’t look excellent. But seriously… isn’t there really not some kind of second season or OVA to wrap it up?

29 Responses

  1. Cos says:

    There’s a manga in progress but it’s going very slowly, so I think there’s still much to wait for a new season.

  2. alynd says:

    ah – i want to see it really bad now

  3. roastedpekingduck says:

    Shigurui was far too gory and twisted for me, and the fantastic animation made everything all the more harder to stomach for me. Honestly though, besides the gore, I just didn’t like the show all that much. After four episodes, I never found any of the characters interesting. The entire cast was just unlikeable. I can tolerate gore, as in Baccano!, but the combination of squeamish stuff and “messed up-ness” made Shigurui something I didn’t enjoy.

  4. thomasvye says:

    If you want to find out what happens next, read the manga, which is ongoing. As a reader of the manga myself, I was completely thrilled with the end; it ended with exactly the event I would have wanted at it’s climax. >)

    I have to question your opinion of the women. I think you do them a great disservice. Iku is a very strong woman indeed, a partner and collaborator (and all round rock really) in the second half of the story. And considering what she’s had to tolerate, I think Mie is too. As for your ‘helpless sword target’ comment, look at how the men treat each other with such casual cruelty. I don’t think anyone gets away with an easy life in the brutal world of Shigurui.

    I can only hope there will be a second season, because this series was art. It realised an amazing manga beautifully (especially in the evocative sounds).

    (As you can probably tell, this is one of my favourite things ever).

  5. taelrak says:

    So what does happen in the manga then? I don’t understand Japanese :(

  6. Joel K says:

    This anime is insane, seriously i’m a 5th year medical student and i’ve seen surgeries and in fact conducted some myself, but the intensities of this type of violence rocked me to the core. I have no idea how historically correct this is (not saying the storyline is true, but whether the cultural influence is correct, maybe someone can shed more light on that subject) but I found it to be intriguing, I had to stomach a lot of the violence, but apart from that i’m a lover of shigurui.

    I would have to agree with Thomas about the women, I found the women to be quite strong, they played the part of quiet onsiders which we have all learnt in history classes was their exact role brilliantly. I do agree they were the attention of many sexual expliticites in this series, but hey… i don’t believe this should be shown to anyone under the age of 16, hell i haven’t even told my 17 year old brother about it. The female characters showed the complexities of this era, such as male dominance, loyalty, honour and family (blood related or not).

    I do agree on the lack of follow up, i’ve been searching for ages for an adequate ending (to ease my troubled mind about the many burning questions i have) and yes i’m one of these ones that don’t understand japanese and therefore am unable to share in the pleasures of manga. to be honest i’m pretty unhappy with anime series that have poor endings, my recent gripe before shigurui came along was trinity blood – loved it, couldn’t get enough of it, and then caput i’m left hanging… i’m sorry its not a comment about trinity blood, i’ll leave that one alone.

    overall, shigurui is brilliant in both art and storyline. the violence and gore are something you will have to stomach and if you can’t – don’t watch it! simple. but the story is great.. i know someone said that the characters are unbelievable and its slow paced. i totally agree with the slowness of the story, but for some reason it takes a hold of you and you just can’t stop watching (maybe its the gore – who knows). but the characters are intense, they don’t show much personality, but again i believe this to be the cultural influence of the era – they are basically soldiers for their dojo, so taken in that vane, i believe they were well constructed. thanks for listening to my ramblings.

  7. Searching for Odin says:

    I for one thought the ending was PERFECT… both characters were displayed with a level of realism i have NOT seen in ANY anime I have ever watched… just trying to put myself in their situations was one of the things I found compelling about this series. Also, the way the characters interacted (restrained, unresponsive) says VOLUMES more than every other character i have seen that would smile while getting beaten up but turn violent when someone they care about is about to be hurt (a la shonen-style). Take for example the event where the successor is first announced. All the main characters showed their true colors in that short segment. (One appeared as simply a tool only capable of following orders, the other conniving and self-obsessed)

    Furthermore, to end the series the way it did was about the best you could get out of an anime that portrays two characters with such indomitable spirits. I also seriously liked how it was NOT a shounen-style/bullshit series where you KNOW a characters will survive. There was never a moment during a showdown that I could say “I know this guy’s gonna win,” (with the obvious exemption of the main characters) as nothing ever felt definite.

    One more thing, samurai society was adamant about subjects such as fealty and loyalty, which was portrayed very well in this series.

  8. Mike says:

    I have to disagree with you about the ending. I find it unfortunate that the manga is carrying on past the anime’s ending, because I thought it was perfect. It really isn’t about the fight that initiates in ep 1, but rather about the journey that brought them there. I know what I just said was very cliche, but I feel that it’s very true with regards to this series, and very effective. I did not feel cheated by the ending, as I kind of expected it given the pacing of the story.

  9. Mark says:

    I just finished the series today and had that annoying feeling afterwards at being left hanging (though I pretty much saw that coming), but after letting it sit for a few hours, it’s actually grown on me.

    I think that the winner of the fight is irrelevant, and in a way, letting the viewer imagine that fight in your head creates far more interest. They couldn’t have added anything more to the story by showing the fight and winner, so it isn’t really needed.

    This series is right up there for me in terms of art direction, music, characterisation and depth. I am recommending it only to hardcore anime enthusiasts though as I think it is a bit difficult to get into.

    Amazing show, might chase up the manga.

  10. JJ says:

    This is easily the best anime I’ve ever seen. The story is extremely realistic, this is definitely something that could have happened in that period. Also, Shigurui was based off of a novel, so it explains the quality it has over any other anime.

    I loved how for once Samurais were presented as realistic human beings instead of heroes that saves the day. I love how the end, there was no one to save anyone. Everyone was wallowing in their own misery while the supposed “villain”, Irako, went up higher and higher in social status. While many believe that Irako was the villain in the story, he was the one who was actually trying “break” the system Japan had at the time. He was the only one who didn’t want to be a slave, a mere soldier, he detested the laws of the society at that period. Although that did cost him his eyes, in the end he succeeded by destroying what Fujiki ever had.

    I know a lot of people complain about the ending. Well, what if they didn’t show you the match at the beginning, would you be satisfied then??

    Plus, there’s a manga that is yet to be finished. I’m in the process of reading it right now, and yes, it actually gets better and better. There still much to tell in terms of story and the rise of Irako, the fall of Fujiki. Kugan’s past, Fujiki’s past, it’s just brilliant storytelling.

  11. Alx says:

    I just want to know about Mie…I have no real other way to say it, but towards the end of the anime, she got a bit “weird.” And I don’t see anything wrong with Fujiki, and why he has to “fall.” If anything, he showed dedication and loyalty, even to Mie while she was still holding on to the dream of Irako (that, by the way, made me dislike Mie very much).

    And I’m just curious…I thought Mie liked FUJIKI instead of Irako? Wasn’t that why she wanted to bite her tongue during that one time?

  12. Mark says:

    And praise the anime licensing gods,as Funi grabbed it,and there is an official site up.

    I cant wait to get the R1 dvd’s with art
    box !!!! I like many are surprised they got it,surprised anyone grabbed it.

    Check AOD.com for the full press release.If any of you enjoyed it,put your money where your mouth is,and support the companies that are making it.Buy buying the dvd’s when they hit stateside.

  13. Alex says:

    I had to see it three time to actually grasp the many nuances of the story (translation aside) and.. I would very much like to see this anime in the big screen, in a word.
    This series I consider an “epic”.
    Fujiki was the good obedient one and Ikaro was the liberal creative one.
    There is no good or evil here only the struggle within the parameters of their basic instincts. Human drama.
    I think that I understand samurai thinking, to the degree that my western ignorance allows.
    This series with its awesome sound, has a zen to humanity connection that grows in complexity as the story rolls, no moment seems to be wasted and every ritual has a point to it. The biting of the vase..
    My question is this.
    Who cuts off Fujiki’s arm??..
    Was it Gonzo?.
    Did they fight for the supremacy of the dojo?

  14. Duke says:

    1 fucking question!
    i mean cmon…
    how the hell did Fujiki lost his hand in, presumably, so dramatic manner? (with the burn mark and everything)
    Awesome anime but cmon man, few more episodes wouldnt spoil anything..

  15. JJ says:

    Irako cuts off Fujiki’s arm in their first battle

    And the reason why Mie went crazy towards the end was because Irako was expelled from the school. She really loved him but she knows that she will never see him again.

    It was explained in the manga, and she stopped eating and became really skinny

  16. Fabian says:

    Who wins at the tournament which started in the 1st chapter?

  17. MP says:

    Irako doesn’t cut off his arm in the first battle. He breaks his fingers. In fact he breaks the fingers of the arm which he ends up keeping. The missing arm is never resolved.

  18. Fabian says:

    No, I’m talking about the tournament with the real blades. The one which already shows Fujiki with 1 arm, and a blind and cripple Irako. Who wins that?

  19. TheBastid says:

    Here is the scene where Irako cuts off Fujiki’s arm….

    This happens *after* the final episode of Shigurui…so only in the manga

    http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=34022

  20. joe says:

    So who wins in the end in the manga, Fukiki or Irako?

    If anyone here speaks Japanese, please, oh please look around the internet for announcements for a second season. It ould make me the happiest guy alive….

    By the way, I can’t get into the Funimation Shigurui site. How do you do it?

  21. Chris R. says:

    Shigurui is definitely in the top 3 anime I’ve ever seen. If they release a second season… say another 13 episodes… that would bring it up to #1 for me I think. Ending left me dying for more! Realistic, historically plausible, brooding, dark, artsy, and swimming in blood and guts. I’ve read a bunch of posts that say the characters were flat and unlikeable. I don’t think that is so, it’s just that they, (the characters,) don’t wear their hearts on their sleeves! the emotions are subtle and understated, as one would expect of tough guy kenshi in the early Edo period. Take the scene when Iraku is named as the successor… Kogan just pushes Mie at him and grumbles something about “seeed…” (gross,) and Fujiki just takes it… He doesn’t speak up or make his obvious feelings for Mie known… This made some people hate him, but it makes me like him even more! C’mon people, he’s not a robot or a psychopath, (well, ok maybe he’s a little bit of a psychopath…) he’s extremely pissed off and upset! He’s just so dedicated to his Ryuha that he swallows his feelings. That’s the ideal way for a samurai to react! The group is everything, individual desires are nothing. Suffering and sacrifice to benefit the greater good. That’s EXACTLY how the bushi were supposed to operate (at least according to idealized Edo era bushido…)

  22. Eliasoz says:

    What the FUCK man, you guys should learn to put a damn SPOILER warning for christ’s sake!! You just don’t divulge that kind of spoiler material about the manga, you bastards.

    May you rot in hell!!

  23. Yoh says:

    I agree no one under 17 should approach this. I gory and Nc17- if not 21 material but I found it surprisingly good and the manga it is based on is awesome a sneak peak into the samurai world I am thrill to see how it ends. I disagree on women perception they are incredibly complex and strong if not a bit insane too they actually move the story being the real powers behind Fujiki and Irako, so much that Mie is a desirable target for the other party for without her Fujiki is just an empty shell and I really think she still has a crush on Irako despite all; they simply are not portrayed in their full splendor in the anime because their stories where not completely covered in those tomes and they are epochs accurate they are not modern women. I was taken by a comment that they omitted”in a warrior clan marriage is an affair regarding the line, there is place for the concept known as love.”

  24. Cyber echo says:

    As a fan of the series I must say, the negative comments don’t give the series much justice. However, I am speaking in 2010, where almost all the story has been released and translated to english as a manga.The anime covers chapter 0-32. The Manga covers chapters 0-80+, last released was 78. The last chapter remains which will be released next fall. The chapters after the anime cover a lot of the past, before the anime happened, and then progresses from the point at where the last anime episode left off, to eventually reach the final fight shown in episode 1 of the anime.

    I don’t think the gore is that bad. There are other series with way worse gore like Gantz for example. The series is not focus on gore, however, it shows the alacrity of violence to the fullest. This is a dark mature anime that will not appeal to everyone.

    The anime needs to generally be regarded in a non-western point of view. Reading the fansubbed mangas that contain some explanations (kudos to the translators) might help. The story needs some understanding of bushido and the samurai spirit, and the story fundamentally hinges on the difference between the twin dragons.

    Also, even within chapters 0-32, the manga contains some scenes that the anime doesn’t, and vice versa. If you like the anime but felt something was missing read the mangas and story starts to get way richer. Prepare for sad twists.. this is one sad story, and I think the end was sadly hinted at in the first episode..

    Overall, highly recommended for anyone looking for something mature. This is the best anime I have ever watched and I’ve watched quite a few.
    However, if you’re looking for a full story and don’t want to read the manga, look elsewhere, the anime series only covers 30% of the story if not less.

  25. bIO bON says:

    it’s a non linear narrative. there is a conclusion to the series when the girl foretolds the death of Fujiki in the first episode. Thank you

  26. Eddie says:

    Yeah it’s a great anime. The problem is that it’s base on an manga that at the time wasn’t even finished running it’s course. The anime only covers like 1/4 of the series. Hopefully they’ll feel fit to complete to series entirely and give more detail into the ending.

  27. DE says:

    Just finished the manga…..BIG spoilers!

    In the end, both of them lost everything. No, they did not kill off each other. The ending is very tragic, yet beautiful.

  28. toddler2kid says:

    Anime at the top of the game. Wish it had just one more episode.

  29. turing says:

    This beast is the real deal. A no-nonsense bonecrusher. It’s brutal and merciless, just like the environment it is describing.

    Sure, it’s gory, but it never turns into exploitation, it’s just real. The most disturbing death shows no blood at all.

    The show I most directly relate this to is The Wire. It’s both at core about people being trapped in a social system while at the same time maintaining it. In this case in the warrior class in the feudal system. It effectively deconstructs all the over-romanticisation of the honor code and the feudal era seen in so many other shows and movies.

    The flip side, how often do you see that? Trapped in Honor and Duty, they all act like Thugs, and are much more subhuman than superhuman. How does it feel to cut a human being? Like cutting through a wet towel. If you cut well, you feel nothing at all.

    The masterful direction, the pacing, the music, the Tension, this whole show is wound like a steel spring.

    Like a few other anime series like Kaiba and Mononoke, this show transcends the genre and can stands on its own feet as an independent work of art. There are weak points, but there are also points unmatched in their brilliance, and the overall maturity and patient, skillful, confident execution overshadows those to great extent.

    If I got into a conversation with an adult who knew his way around the history of film, all the great classics, the criterions, knew his genre-defining and genre-defying directors and movies, and he said he’d never seen an anime, I’d tell him to watch this. Go watch this.

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@Niello: just caught up with Darling, I think this last episode was a blast. Interesting framing (wonder who was the episode director) and for me overall rich world-building. The characters are still miss or hit for me thou
Anonymous2148050
Tomorrow’s jow
Niello
@KTravlos My experience with Terror too.
KTravlos
The Terror ended weak for me. A great show up to episode 7 and parts of 8, 9 and 10 just went down the path of gore fest. It will work for many, but it soured for me the excellent first 8 ones.
Niello
And that's it for Franxx, an entire episode dedicated to lame world building. Expecting it to be mediocre was correct.
Lenlo
Well, Mikio's gear was upgrading to V5 we saw, so it may not be as easy as we think. That said, I just want Gear to be relevant. It really feels like just a gimmick to me so far and Mikio could maybe change that, since his is so important
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Oh and I got two card drops, both of which were Shanas.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, I still need to grind up the damage points. I am close and planning to get it before Rider day ends. But Banana Oni is the hardest challege this game has ever given. And fighting her is always a gamble.
Amagi
Yeah it was a good move. Really want to see how Mikio will fight without the advantage he had till now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
This weeks episode of megalobox gave an added importance to him being gearless .
Amagi
Now that I got the 300mio damage in FGO I finally get card drops that I don't need anymore
AidanAK47
@Masky, I believe I told you to watch Fate/Zero and apologize.
Masky
@AidanAK47 three days ago: Harsh words :D
Kaiser-Eoghan
I do echo the frustration though with shows you like not getting enough episodes. And then there are of course shows where I wonder, did they really need so many episodes/seasons.
Anonymous2142344
You an always watch the old 160 episode ova of Legend of Galactic Heroes. Differences to date are minor
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Follow up films coming though.
Anonymous2142275
Galactic Heroes, is starting to grow on me, is a shame, that's only 12 episodes so much potential being wasted. What happened to those times when long animes, could have at least 50 episodes ( Gundam Seed, Code Geass) and still be viable. feeling hopeless
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: A female director you could also look into is Moufida Tlatli , especially silences of the palace.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: On golden kamuy, from reading on in the manga, there will be a big reveal regarding Asirpa soon. Also I feel the prisoner guys are becoming monster of the week.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I'm glad to be reviewing stuff again on letterboxd.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: ....I...actually momentarily forgot about the PM system.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Watch Bombshell, secrets of a hollywood star or calling hedy lamarr, Bombshell is a recent documentary about Lamarr.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Von Triers new film looks darkly funny though to a degree and I love the self-indulgent first per3son narration.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I have no idea how Stellan Skarsgard (who works alot with Von trier) produced Alexander Skarsgard, the latter is far too attractive to come from that. I feel the same about Asia Argento, I refuse to believe Dario could have produced such a fine creature.
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@Mario: I'm rarely about morals or understanding as an importance when it comes to film, I care most about how it hits me on a visceral/emotional level, how daring it is in its imagination, visuals, madness , creativity.
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@Kaiser: thanks, received it. God, Von Triers new film is entirely something else. Full-on provocation. And I already think his Nymphomaniac was too much
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@Mario: Also I'm dying to see Von Trier and Chang-dongs new films, especially the priors.
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@Mario: I sent you a private message.
Lenlo
That said, the key drama scenes were still great. Okabe's VA continues to make me happy. Im just not sure how much of this is nostalgia.
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Steins;Gate is at its best in moments of character drama and character interaction. All of its value lies in its characters. Any action, with this muted style, is going to come off stiff and dull. A con of the art-style decision.
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@Lenlo: I'm glad you said that, because I felt visually it looked stiff this week and that brief scene in the beginning wasn't much to look at. But Okabes meeting with Baldyguy-san and the cliffhanger and after credits bit were good scenes.
Lenlo
So yeah, this was probably the weakest week of Steins;Gate so far. Its pretty clear its not an action series and that its style doesnt suit itself well to combat scenes
SuperMario
... watching and reading many shounen titles (Dragon Ball, Dragon Quest, Bleach and the likes), shounen isn't my cup of tea at all
SuperMario
While I grow up
Lenlo
@Anon, I love Shounen. BnHA is one of my favorites every season its on. Doesnt mean I like Black Clover though
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thank you for that anon, when I watched the episode earlier I wasn't aware there was a post credits scene.
Anonymous2141254
oh well, we still are early on in S;G 0 too. Plus, there seems to be a huge development at the end of the episode
Anonymous2141254
idk, i can't help but feel that besides the amadeus plotline, everything else feels "fillery"
Anonymous2141254
I must say though that I'm still waiting for it to get good, idk maybe my expectations are too high because the original was great after the first few episodes
Anonymous2141254
Don't forget to watch end credits fo Steins Gate 0
KTravlos
I like some shonen. I just think that they are popular enough as not to be worth reviewing ihmo.
Vonter
@Anon2140150 - I do. Though Shounen do have the issue of being derivative in certain aspects like power scales and several doing the FMA Brotherhood climax (of what I've watched). Also they're made to be endless. It can be intimidating jumping to one that has several seasons.
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Does everyone here don't like shonen anime?
Amagi
Really, if there is one piece of information (aside from otome maybe) that makes me ignore a series forever it's a LN about a LN author or illustrator. The selfinert wish fulfillment couldn't be more obvious.
Amagi
Another LN greenlit for an anime production and the synopsis starts with "* is a light novel illustrator and..".
Amagi
@KTravlos: I don't know why modern anime hate curly- and/or wild hair so much. The old hair style gave Reinhard a more royal look, whereas he looks like a normal highschool boy now. Not that I am complaining about the anime as a whole. Also, I like some of the new designs.
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and a part of me things it is indeed the hair. It comes to low, giving Reinhard a slovenly, lazy feel. When Yang feels more energetic you know there was a mistake.
KTravlos
and yes, this Reinhard fares poorly in comparison to the OVA one. He is dull. I need more Yang :p
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ai vay vay. The Castrop Rebellion remains waste of time. And this time it was worse. The older depiction was tacky but at least it showed Kircheis ability in a logical manner. This time I had no idea what the hell happened. It felt cheap.

The rest of the episode was ok. Not completely sold on all the renditions of imp. admirals though I still love the uniforms.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*those
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hearing these , I find myself much more tolerant of anime voice acting even if the dub might only be okay.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its actually less of a sync issue, as I'm talking about 60s dubs , alot of people think the voices in old anime English dubs from the 90s are dated, but the old sixties kungfu and western dubs are shocking, far worse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't mind sometimes satirical dubbing like on tiger lily , dialectics break bricks and kung pow however.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And those can be difficult to acquire sometimes in Italian or Chinese.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Live action films, this is especially annoying sometimes because I love Spaghetti westerns and Chinese martial arts films and old Italian cop thrillers.
Anonymous2137430
@Kaiser-Eoghan Are you referring to foreign animated films of foreign live action films because dubbing live action is a different beast as I'm sure you're aware. The idiosyncratic nature of watching moves and facial expressions not properly match voices really pulls the viewer out of the experience
SuperWooper
LoGH is airing a special next week because of scheduling delays, so that's one less thing to do.
AidanAK47
Well to those whom it might concern, expect my posts to be later than usual this week. Work is hell at the moment.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have to say, this is probably a bit hypocritical, but while I enjoy dubs of anime I really really can't stand dubs of foreign films.
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Simo Hayha would make a pretty crazy Archer.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine a fate strange fake adaptation will materialize eventually.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But everyone seems to want that Finnish sniper as a Fate servant .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Still no Mao, still mad.
Kaiser-Eoghan
....I have lost track of the historical characters in the fate lineup.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, to expand on that point the following historical figures are now female: Nero Claudius, Leonardo da Vinci, Frankenstein's Monster, Xuanzang, Jing Ke, Quetzalcoatl, Minamoto no Yoshitsune, Miyamoto Musashi, Okita Souji and many more to come.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I find it's an enjoyable watch though flawed. If you can get past some odd fanservice around the first ten episodes then I say it's worth watching.
Anonymous2133468
So i was thinking if i start watching, darling in the franxx, is worth it? or is just another 6/10 anime?
Lenlo
God damnit. Why Nasu. Just why.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, that ain't even Lewd.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In all seriousness its ridiculous, the Japanese will make a cute/moe girl out of anything.
AidanAK47
....Should I also mention that Francis Drake is a big boobed pirate queen?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Posting lewd images on a respectable chatbox.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, But none of these characters are in the anime adaptions. Well besides Jack and Saber.
Lenlo
Aidan, all this conversation did was prove that my decision to only ever watch the Ufotable adaptions was the correct decision.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, you can blame Extella for the Attlia the Hun thing. I wasn't too fond of it myself. Also should mention Attila is female as well.
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AidanAK47
Also Masky I will be the first to admit to the ridiculous aspects of the Fate Franchise but do take note that you are commenting on something you know literally nothing about. Which is the very definition of ignorance and is quite annoying. Fate/Zero nails the themes it's going for. So go watch Fate/Zero, come back and apologize.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Give it time. Genghis is getting in there eventually with Grand Order. We just had Anastasia and Salieri introduced after all. And it's not as if this story introduces Servants willy nilly, they need actual story purpose. Genghis Khan wouldn't have fit the Narrative that Fate/Zero was going for.
Lenlo
Wait Attila is an Alien and Edison is a Lion? God damnit Fate. Why are you doing this to me. I was already annoyed at your treatment of Musashi
Masky
(aliens existing in the show is good example of that missing on themes part xP)
Masky
*most successful conqueror
Masky
Honestly was just amused most conqueror of all time not being featured in the show :D But wait, whats this about aliens?
AidanAK47
Anyway the important thing to take into account is that in the Fate universe, King Arthur is a woman, Attila the Hun is an Alien, Thomas Edison is a lion and Jack the Ripper is a little girl in a dominatrix outfit. Any questions?
AidanAK47
And while you don't need to watch something to be given divine right to comment on ideas or themes, it does leave you ignorant of how that show handles those ideas and themes.
AidanAK47
As for the Historical Alexander, he wasn't given the title of King of Couquerors. Fate/Zeros interpretation of him was. As generally accurate Fates interpretation of Servents history can be, they can make changes to suit the narrative.
AidanAK47
In that Regard Alexander was doing the conquest thing before Ghengus did. Ghengus likely has some other title. Hell he may only have the title because public consciousness was is more familiar with Alexander than Ghengus.
AidanAK47
Yeah, looking it up seems the King Title lost quite a lot of meaning in the Nasuverse. Though the King Title is rather flimsy. I mean Arthur is the King of Knights cause of the Knights of the round table. Gil is king of heroes because his tale was the first Heroic myth.
Lenlo
I think Alexander was just the first one they thought of, and they couldnt retroactively give it to someone else.

That said, Broskander deserves it <3
Masky
(And no, you don't need to watch something to be given divine right to comment on ideas or themes of it.)
Masky
(just to note in case I need to note, I do tend to do at least cursory research when I make comments on stuff I don't watch)
Masky
That first part is semantics as Fate gives title "King" to historical figures who weren't kings already :D Also, you can make that argument about historical Alexander the Great? Since that seriously sounds like kind of weak reason.
AidanAK47
Also sees Rider as deserving of title of "King of Conquerors" because that which he strives to conquer most is not lands or material wealth, but the hearts of people, the toughest conquest that can be undertaken by anyone.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Ghengis Khan wasn't a king. He was a Khan.
Lenlo
Ghengis is always a Rider in my mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But in all seriousness, Ghengis would be an appropriate beserker servant.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: I know, it feels so wrong I'm still mad I can't summon Karl Marx or Stalin.
Masky
So wait, Fate series is about historical figures with super powers, but "King of Conquerors" title isn't given to Ghengis Khan? :D Seriously? Thats just so wrong
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't feel any point in finishing it, it feels like something that I'd just randomly drop , not because its a bad show, but because I got my fill of it.
AidanAK47
I am actually going to drop blogging it.
AidanAK47
@Sash, indeed. I have been watching it but not blogging it for the last few episodes because it just hasn't givne me anything to say. I don't think it's a bad show but I have pointed out the flaws and strengths of it already so there is truly nothing more to say on it.
Sash
I think wotakoi is starting to feel repetitive..
Kaiser-Eoghan
You are now aware Shana and Batman Ninja Harelequinn are both voiced by Rie kugimiya.
Lenlo
I did. It was... It was a thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Did you end up watching Batman ninja by the way?
Lenlo
Music is great, yeah. When the music is on point, everything goes up. Everytime the sync the fight/punches to the music I just get hyped. Like the rotating shot with Aragaki or the first fight in episode 1.
Lenlo
Ill do my best to be clearer in the future on that front. Yeah, I dont mind twists like this. Makes the inevitable Mikio fight, narratively, even better.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel the music does alot of the lifting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh, so that was it.
Lenlo
Sorry if I never made that clear.
Lenlo
I would rather have fewer, amazing, fights than a lot of low-quality fights. This is a one cour show, the more meaning/impact they can give each fight the better.

Like Aragaki, narratively, was great. Loved it. Its just in animation/choreography that it falls flat.
Lenlo
Im disappointed with the animation of the fights. Narratively, I think they are quite good.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*disappointed with the fights in past episodes
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Pretty much what I said I thought of the episode. Although I was surprised how took the episodes ending, I expected you to see it as a slap in the face after being disappointed with the fights.
Lenlo
Also, @Kaiser, I thought Megalo Box did something unique this episode. I wasn't expecting Joe to *not* fight. And the Mikio/Yukiko proxy war is an interesting character motivation. Im betting Yukiko will get Joe a full citizenship, effectively getting her on his side.
Lenlo
I wish I was physically capable of watching Megalo Box without thinking of Hajime no Ippo. I really do. But everytime I watch it, it makes me want to watch Ippo again to.
Anonymous2120908
I watched some more of the Chimera family chinese anime. (Wasn't aware it was monthly released). And geez, I like the concept, the background art is very pretty and contrasts with settings that have become tired in other anime. Yet sadly the animation and script are WEAK. I haven't grasped the quality of what's expected of these types of production but I want to believe, they're trying.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Not much in the way of action in megalobox this week, but I did like the focus on Yukkiko getting a small character moment and then the big moment at episodes end .
AidanAK47
@Anon, That's some lazy ass trolling buddy. Should have stopped before the hashtags.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm even sort of looking forward to supposedly less respectable stuff like Goblin slayer and happy sugar life.
Vonter
Also E3 is almost here. And I can't wait. I think Nintendo will have a good show considering they're revealing the new Smash with a tournament. There's rumors of the new game by Retro Studios (Metroid Prime and Donkey Kong) and maybe they'll reveal something about how Pokemon will be on the Switch.
Vonter
Also there's always the chance of something new being discovered. Not everything needs expectations behind. Sometimes great things come out of nowhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So yes, there are some at least decent shows coming out.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Muh Baki, Muh Bananna fish, muh made in abyss season 2, muh Vinland.
Anonymous2119906
The rest of this year looks like shit for anime and 2019 doesn't look great either #fuckmoe #makeanimegreatagain
Anonymous2119214
@Kaiser yeah it happened in half the amount of eps this time around for steins gate 0; which i expected considering there's a lot of ground to cover
Anonymous2119106
@Supermario Something like Fate or the LOTR films are a different case. I get where you're coming from about your preference, but I'm arguing that if a large story is going to be split into 3 films, it helps that the 3 films feel cleanly cut. Infinity war, even though we know there's a second part to the story, feels like it has that cohesive narrative structure with a beginning, middle, and end
Anonymous2119106
@Super Mario yea but the marvel movies are a different situation so i don't think the comparison is as appropriate. Marvel movies are "episodic" in nature rather than a continuous narrative. The films are largely isolated stories that are happening in a similar universe that only happen to "congeal" narratively because of a few overarching details shared between films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I remember when the original series suddenly shifted and got going and it was a really depressing episode.
Lenlo
Oh baby. The storm has finally come in Steins;Gate. Let the true suffering commence
SuperMario
@anon2118276: that's why I don't like LoTR trilogy. It's still a whole body chopped up in 3 parts, despite how clean the cut is. Whereas for me it works better if it was like a branch in a tree. The Marvel movies (despite my disinterest on those) are a good example of this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I did feel some of this weeks steins gate felt fillery, I do like see these characters interact and given the episodes conclusion, this episode acted as a calm before the storm.
Lenlo
Ill agree with you on King Kong. As for the Ralph Bakshi LotR, I have. I am still to this day impressed by the overlay of 2D art onto real/overexposed footage. It makes for shockingly fluid animation in places and has its own distinct style
Anonymous2118208
@Lenlo - Have you watched the old Ralph Bakshi adaptation of the first two books? It's uneven, but it's interesting comparing and contrasting certain decisions. As good as Peter Jackson is, I feel he makes very longwinded films, I like his version of King Kong a lot, but it is too long.
Anonymous2118276
@supermario i disagree; the point is that even though the LOTH films have cliffhanger endings, they still feel like fils. they have a defined first second and third act with well paced tension and release throughout them. They follow a storytelling macrostructure necessary for films to feel like cohesive narratives even if they are to end on a cliffhanger
Lenlo
I quite liked the individual LOTR movie just fyi
Vonter
Marvel surprisingly has kept their movies simple enough, that while you might miss details nowadays, you can tell what's happening.
Vonter
Another bad case is like with Assassin's Creed, which like Lost, just tried to tease a lot of things, then it grew tired of trying to piece them together and let the last games work more standalone, with little hints of a larger lore.
Vonter
Metroid does both, it has a standalone story and a hint to what a sequel might bring. Though that hint rarely matters by the time the new game is released.
Vonter
@SuperMario - Some videogames trilogies also do that. Gears of War and God of War had good standalone beginnings but by the second game they put cliffhanging endings. Kingdom Hearts does that and I expect 3 to also do it. Megaman Legends and Half Life had incomplete stories, which might be the worse case in regards to trying to make a continuous story.
SuperMario
It ruins the appetite
SuperMario
I actually think Lord of the Rings' trilogy is a bad example to follow. These films are meant to be viewed as a whole, so each film doesn't hold much as an individual story. I just can't digest films that have "to be continued" sign at the end. Imagine having a first course meal and then have to wait for few days for second course
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the current topic, I would be well for the production of a long running, ambitious ova series.
Anonymous2116425
then again, i don't take too much issue with these films feeling like movie-sized eps...the wait just sucks is all
Anonymous2116425
clearly the films need each other to tell the whole story, yet they can be taken for what they are in isolation as well
Anonymous2116425
I don't mind the trilogy trend at all; like Aidan said, when everything is said and done, all the films will be available to watch. I just think a stronger attempt should be made to make them feel like complete films. Something like the lord of the rings trilogy is a great example of how to do this
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am in full confidence that neither I nor Miura will survive to the end of berserk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course maybe they won't have a future , think about it that way, then they'd never see it, life has that weird way of being unpredictable like that =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
You can always rewatch them just before watching the one after.
AidanAK47
Of course not. But that's the thing. The wait is only a temporary problem. Anyone in the future will have all movies ready to view.
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