Posted by psgels on 22 October 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews


Apologies for the lateness of this review, but more on that later. Let me first put up a warning: if you’re planning to watch this series and have some kind of little brother or sister: keep Shigurui AWAY from them. Nobody under sixteen should be allowed to watch this. Not only is this one of the, if not THE goriest anime I’ve seen, it’s also filled with over-the-top sexual reference.

Sure, a show like Elfen Lied may have had more blood, but that was also all it had: lots of blood and random limbs gushed over the screen, but it never really went further than that. Shigurui carries gore to an entirely next level. The amount of detail is astonishing; the creators have an amazing amount of medical knowledge, and they use al of it. When a finger gets broken, you see exactly which bones dislocate. When an arm gets cut off, you see exactly how the muscles grow back. And that’s what makes it such an effective horror-series.

Especially when you combine it with the storytelling. The pacing is very slow, but it uses the gore and very creepy sound-effects to create an extremely tight atmosphere. It’ll have you during its many and creepy climaxes. If it wasn’t for its flaws, this would have been one beast of an anime.

Because yes, it’s a shame, but there are a few things that went wrong here. Especially in the first half, the creators get carried away a bit too much and delve in pointless rituals, like cutting off a woman’s nipple and eating it. Only at episode six, the series gets back on track With a gripping and powerful second half. The role of women also isn’t too good in this series. Basically, every single guy in the series is a bastard, and nearly all the women are good for is to serve as sex-objects or helpless sword-targets.

My biggest gripe is with the ending, though. The ending, while it does resolve a few things, leaves huge amounts of plotholes open. The reason I’m so late with this review is that I kept hoping that there would be some kind of thirteenth episode that would wrap the entire series up, but there’s nothing. One of the two major questions asked in the beginning hasn’t even been answered, for goodness’ sake.

Still, despite this, Shigurui is a definite recommendation for those who can stomach the huge amounts of gore. The animation may be simple, and most of the series consists of still frames, but the art itself makes up for it, by being incredibly detailed, and it’s only when the creators turn to CG on very few occasions that it doesn’t look excellent. But seriously… isn’t there really not some kind of second season or OVA to wrap it up?

29 Responses

  1. Cos says:

    There’s a manga in progress but it’s going very slowly, so I think there’s still much to wait for a new season.

  2. alynd says:

    ah – i want to see it really bad now

  3. roastedpekingduck says:

    Shigurui was far too gory and twisted for me, and the fantastic animation made everything all the more harder to stomach for me. Honestly though, besides the gore, I just didn’t like the show all that much. After four episodes, I never found any of the characters interesting. The entire cast was just unlikeable. I can tolerate gore, as in Baccano!, but the combination of squeamish stuff and “messed up-ness” made Shigurui something I didn’t enjoy.

  4. thomasvye says:

    If you want to find out what happens next, read the manga, which is ongoing. As a reader of the manga myself, I was completely thrilled with the end; it ended with exactly the event I would have wanted at it’s climax. >)

    I have to question your opinion of the women. I think you do them a great disservice. Iku is a very strong woman indeed, a partner and collaborator (and all round rock really) in the second half of the story. And considering what she’s had to tolerate, I think Mie is too. As for your ‘helpless sword target’ comment, look at how the men treat each other with such casual cruelty. I don’t think anyone gets away with an easy life in the brutal world of Shigurui.

    I can only hope there will be a second season, because this series was art. It realised an amazing manga beautifully (especially in the evocative sounds).

    (As you can probably tell, this is one of my favourite things ever).

  5. taelrak says:

    So what does happen in the manga then? I don’t understand Japanese :(

  6. Joel K says:

    This anime is insane, seriously i’m a 5th year medical student and i’ve seen surgeries and in fact conducted some myself, but the intensities of this type of violence rocked me to the core. I have no idea how historically correct this is (not saying the storyline is true, but whether the cultural influence is correct, maybe someone can shed more light on that subject) but I found it to be intriguing, I had to stomach a lot of the violence, but apart from that i’m a lover of shigurui.

    I would have to agree with Thomas about the women, I found the women to be quite strong, they played the part of quiet onsiders which we have all learnt in history classes was their exact role brilliantly. I do agree they were the attention of many sexual expliticites in this series, but hey… i don’t believe this should be shown to anyone under the age of 16, hell i haven’t even told my 17 year old brother about it. The female characters showed the complexities of this era, such as male dominance, loyalty, honour and family (blood related or not).

    I do agree on the lack of follow up, i’ve been searching for ages for an adequate ending (to ease my troubled mind about the many burning questions i have) and yes i’m one of these ones that don’t understand japanese and therefore am unable to share in the pleasures of manga. to be honest i’m pretty unhappy with anime series that have poor endings, my recent gripe before shigurui came along was trinity blood – loved it, couldn’t get enough of it, and then caput i’m left hanging… i’m sorry its not a comment about trinity blood, i’ll leave that one alone.

    overall, shigurui is brilliant in both art and storyline. the violence and gore are something you will have to stomach and if you can’t – don’t watch it! simple. but the story is great.. i know someone said that the characters are unbelievable and its slow paced. i totally agree with the slowness of the story, but for some reason it takes a hold of you and you just can’t stop watching (maybe its the gore – who knows). but the characters are intense, they don’t show much personality, but again i believe this to be the cultural influence of the era – they are basically soldiers for their dojo, so taken in that vane, i believe they were well constructed. thanks for listening to my ramblings.

  7. Searching for Odin says:

    I for one thought the ending was PERFECT… both characters were displayed with a level of realism i have NOT seen in ANY anime I have ever watched… just trying to put myself in their situations was one of the things I found compelling about this series. Also, the way the characters interacted (restrained, unresponsive) says VOLUMES more than every other character i have seen that would smile while getting beaten up but turn violent when someone they care about is about to be hurt (a la shonen-style). Take for example the event where the successor is first announced. All the main characters showed their true colors in that short segment. (One appeared as simply a tool only capable of following orders, the other conniving and self-obsessed)

    Furthermore, to end the series the way it did was about the best you could get out of an anime that portrays two characters with such indomitable spirits. I also seriously liked how it was NOT a shounen-style/bullshit series where you KNOW a characters will survive. There was never a moment during a showdown that I could say “I know this guy’s gonna win,” (with the obvious exemption of the main characters) as nothing ever felt definite.

    One more thing, samurai society was adamant about subjects such as fealty and loyalty, which was portrayed very well in this series.

  8. Mike says:

    I have to disagree with you about the ending. I find it unfortunate that the manga is carrying on past the anime’s ending, because I thought it was perfect. It really isn’t about the fight that initiates in ep 1, but rather about the journey that brought them there. I know what I just said was very cliche, but I feel that it’s very true with regards to this series, and very effective. I did not feel cheated by the ending, as I kind of expected it given the pacing of the story.

  9. Mark says:

    I just finished the series today and had that annoying feeling afterwards at being left hanging (though I pretty much saw that coming), but after letting it sit for a few hours, it’s actually grown on me.

    I think that the winner of the fight is irrelevant, and in a way, letting the viewer imagine that fight in your head creates far more interest. They couldn’t have added anything more to the story by showing the fight and winner, so it isn’t really needed.

    This series is right up there for me in terms of art direction, music, characterisation and depth. I am recommending it only to hardcore anime enthusiasts though as I think it is a bit difficult to get into.

    Amazing show, might chase up the manga.

  10. JJ says:

    This is easily the best anime I’ve ever seen. The story is extremely realistic, this is definitely something that could have happened in that period. Also, Shigurui was based off of a novel, so it explains the quality it has over any other anime.

    I loved how for once Samurais were presented as realistic human beings instead of heroes that saves the day. I love how the end, there was no one to save anyone. Everyone was wallowing in their own misery while the supposed “villain”, Irako, went up higher and higher in social status. While many believe that Irako was the villain in the story, he was the one who was actually trying “break” the system Japan had at the time. He was the only one who didn’t want to be a slave, a mere soldier, he detested the laws of the society at that period. Although that did cost him his eyes, in the end he succeeded by destroying what Fujiki ever had.

    I know a lot of people complain about the ending. Well, what if they didn’t show you the match at the beginning, would you be satisfied then??

    Plus, there’s a manga that is yet to be finished. I’m in the process of reading it right now, and yes, it actually gets better and better. There still much to tell in terms of story and the rise of Irako, the fall of Fujiki. Kugan’s past, Fujiki’s past, it’s just brilliant storytelling.

  11. Alx says:

    I just want to know about Mie…I have no real other way to say it, but towards the end of the anime, she got a bit “weird.” And I don’t see anything wrong with Fujiki, and why he has to “fall.” If anything, he showed dedication and loyalty, even to Mie while she was still holding on to the dream of Irako (that, by the way, made me dislike Mie very much).

    And I’m just curious…I thought Mie liked FUJIKI instead of Irako? Wasn’t that why she wanted to bite her tongue during that one time?

  12. Mark says:

    And praise the anime licensing gods,as Funi grabbed it,and there is an official site up.

    I cant wait to get the R1 dvd’s with art
    box !!!! I like many are surprised they got it,surprised anyone grabbed it.

    Check AOD.com for the full press release.If any of you enjoyed it,put your money where your mouth is,and support the companies that are making it.Buy buying the dvd’s when they hit stateside.

  13. Alex says:

    I had to see it three time to actually grasp the many nuances of the story (translation aside) and.. I would very much like to see this anime in the big screen, in a word.
    This series I consider an “epic”.
    Fujiki was the good obedient one and Ikaro was the liberal creative one.
    There is no good or evil here only the struggle within the parameters of their basic instincts. Human drama.
    I think that I understand samurai thinking, to the degree that my western ignorance allows.
    This series with its awesome sound, has a zen to humanity connection that grows in complexity as the story rolls, no moment seems to be wasted and every ritual has a point to it. The biting of the vase..
    My question is this.
    Who cuts off Fujiki’s arm??..
    Was it Gonzo?.
    Did they fight for the supremacy of the dojo?

  14. Duke says:

    1 fucking question!
    i mean cmon…
    how the hell did Fujiki lost his hand in, presumably, so dramatic manner? (with the burn mark and everything)
    Awesome anime but cmon man, few more episodes wouldnt spoil anything..

  15. JJ says:

    Irako cuts off Fujiki’s arm in their first battle

    And the reason why Mie went crazy towards the end was because Irako was expelled from the school. She really loved him but she knows that she will never see him again.

    It was explained in the manga, and she stopped eating and became really skinny

  16. Fabian says:

    Who wins at the tournament which started in the 1st chapter?

  17. MP says:

    Irako doesn’t cut off his arm in the first battle. He breaks his fingers. In fact he breaks the fingers of the arm which he ends up keeping. The missing arm is never resolved.

  18. Fabian says:

    No, I’m talking about the tournament with the real blades. The one which already shows Fujiki with 1 arm, and a blind and cripple Irako. Who wins that?

  19. TheBastid says:

    Here is the scene where Irako cuts off Fujiki’s arm….

    This happens *after* the final episode of Shigurui…so only in the manga

    http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=34022

  20. joe says:

    So who wins in the end in the manga, Fukiki or Irako?

    If anyone here speaks Japanese, please, oh please look around the internet for announcements for a second season. It ould make me the happiest guy alive….

    By the way, I can’t get into the Funimation Shigurui site. How do you do it?

  21. Chris R. says:

    Shigurui is definitely in the top 3 anime I’ve ever seen. If they release a second season… say another 13 episodes… that would bring it up to #1 for me I think. Ending left me dying for more! Realistic, historically plausible, brooding, dark, artsy, and swimming in blood and guts. I’ve read a bunch of posts that say the characters were flat and unlikeable. I don’t think that is so, it’s just that they, (the characters,) don’t wear their hearts on their sleeves! the emotions are subtle and understated, as one would expect of tough guy kenshi in the early Edo period. Take the scene when Iraku is named as the successor… Kogan just pushes Mie at him and grumbles something about “seeed…” (gross,) and Fujiki just takes it… He doesn’t speak up or make his obvious feelings for Mie known… This made some people hate him, but it makes me like him even more! C’mon people, he’s not a robot or a psychopath, (well, ok maybe he’s a little bit of a psychopath…) he’s extremely pissed off and upset! He’s just so dedicated to his Ryuha that he swallows his feelings. That’s the ideal way for a samurai to react! The group is everything, individual desires are nothing. Suffering and sacrifice to benefit the greater good. That’s EXACTLY how the bushi were supposed to operate (at least according to idealized Edo era bushido…)

  22. Eliasoz says:

    What the FUCK man, you guys should learn to put a damn SPOILER warning for christ’s sake!! You just don’t divulge that kind of spoiler material about the manga, you bastards.

    May you rot in hell!!

  23. Yoh says:

    I agree no one under 17 should approach this. I gory and Nc17- if not 21 material but I found it surprisingly good and the manga it is based on is awesome a sneak peak into the samurai world I am thrill to see how it ends. I disagree on women perception they are incredibly complex and strong if not a bit insane too they actually move the story being the real powers behind Fujiki and Irako, so much that Mie is a desirable target for the other party for without her Fujiki is just an empty shell and I really think she still has a crush on Irako despite all; they simply are not portrayed in their full splendor in the anime because their stories where not completely covered in those tomes and they are epochs accurate they are not modern women. I was taken by a comment that they omitted”in a warrior clan marriage is an affair regarding the line, there is place for the concept known as love.”

  24. Cyber echo says:

    As a fan of the series I must say, the negative comments don’t give the series much justice. However, I am speaking in 2010, where almost all the story has been released and translated to english as a manga.The anime covers chapter 0-32. The Manga covers chapters 0-80+, last released was 78. The last chapter remains which will be released next fall. The chapters after the anime cover a lot of the past, before the anime happened, and then progresses from the point at where the last anime episode left off, to eventually reach the final fight shown in episode 1 of the anime.

    I don’t think the gore is that bad. There are other series with way worse gore like Gantz for example. The series is not focus on gore, however, it shows the alacrity of violence to the fullest. This is a dark mature anime that will not appeal to everyone.

    The anime needs to generally be regarded in a non-western point of view. Reading the fansubbed mangas that contain some explanations (kudos to the translators) might help. The story needs some understanding of bushido and the samurai spirit, and the story fundamentally hinges on the difference between the twin dragons.

    Also, even within chapters 0-32, the manga contains some scenes that the anime doesn’t, and vice versa. If you like the anime but felt something was missing read the mangas and story starts to get way richer. Prepare for sad twists.. this is one sad story, and I think the end was sadly hinted at in the first episode..

    Overall, highly recommended for anyone looking for something mature. This is the best anime I have ever watched and I’ve watched quite a few.
    However, if you’re looking for a full story and don’t want to read the manga, look elsewhere, the anime series only covers 30% of the story if not less.

  25. bIO bON says:

    it’s a non linear narrative. there is a conclusion to the series when the girl foretolds the death of Fujiki in the first episode. Thank you

  26. Eddie says:

    Yeah it’s a great anime. The problem is that it’s base on an manga that at the time wasn’t even finished running it’s course. The anime only covers like 1/4 of the series. Hopefully they’ll feel fit to complete to series entirely and give more detail into the ending.

  27. DE says:

    Just finished the manga…..BIG spoilers!

    In the end, both of them lost everything. No, they did not kill off each other. The ending is very tragic, yet beautiful.

  28. toddler2kid says:

    Anime at the top of the game. Wish it had just one more episode.

  29. turing says:

    This beast is the real deal. A no-nonsense bonecrusher. It’s brutal and merciless, just like the environment it is describing.

    Sure, it’s gory, but it never turns into exploitation, it’s just real. The most disturbing death shows no blood at all.

    The show I most directly relate this to is The Wire. It’s both at core about people being trapped in a social system while at the same time maintaining it. In this case in the warrior class in the feudal system. It effectively deconstructs all the over-romanticisation of the honor code and the feudal era seen in so many other shows and movies.

    The flip side, how often do you see that? Trapped in Honor and Duty, they all act like Thugs, and are much more subhuman than superhuman. How does it feel to cut a human being? Like cutting through a wet towel. If you cut well, you feel nothing at all.

    The masterful direction, the pacing, the music, the Tension, this whole show is wound like a steel spring.

    Like a few other anime series like Kaiba and Mononoke, this show transcends the genre and can stands on its own feet as an independent work of art. There are weak points, but there are also points unmatched in their brilliance, and the overall maturity and patient, skillful, confident execution overshadows those to great extent.

    If I got into a conversation with an adult who knew his way around the history of film, all the great classics, the criterions, knew his genre-defining and genre-defying directors and movies, and he said he’d never seen an anime, I’d tell him to watch this. Go watch this.

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AidanAK47
@Anon, I actually liked that aspect. It made the history of the world feel real.
Anonymous1409027
It's compressible, as there are many episodes of buildup, but that's where so many of the interesting details and depth of planning become evident. Some of those episodes read like a history textbook though, so we'll see how the new adaptation handles them,
Anonymous1409027
*pleasantly
KTravlos
Tytania was ok.
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the Amakusa Shiro reference in the fate review, I've seen a film about him from the 50s , theres also an old josei manga where the protagonist ends up becoming essentially regarded as him.
KTravlos
Hi Kaiser. Supposedly this is a re-imagining of the original story. Thus independent of the OVAs (old serieis). What exactly re-imagining means is something I and you do not know. We shall see. But it does mean that you do not need to watch the old series to enjoy this one. The OVA was definetly more expansive than the novels. So my guess is they will stick to the novels.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There's another anime, called Tytania based on his novels but I haven't seen that series.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As in condensable in the way nothing much is lost? I assume there are fillers in the original?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm indifferent to the aesthetics of the new version. What I'm hoping for is that it will be accessible to newcomers and that I'll be able to jump on to the old series where the new one leaves off. I've seen very little of the original and it was a long time ago, is there any way the story is condensable?
KTravlos
The fact that they stayed away from the disgusting new manga is great. I am not too keen on the CGI ships, but they also did not rankle. It looks like it will honor the spirit of the old series, and I cannot ask for more. I am a massive LOGH fan. And the new video out gives me hope of revisiting one of the greatest sci-fi/historical settings out there. I am happy.
AidanAK47
I hope they are using the old anime as a base and not the new Manga adaption. As that Manga adaption is seriously lacking.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I like that they blinged up the space battles which is good because those things could get tiresome. But I really hate the design of Yang Wenli. They made him look so much younger and bishi. I don't think i could take this guy seriously if he started one of Wenli's signature hypothesis.
Anonymous1408919
Thoughts on that new LOGH PV? My expectations were low, so I'm presently surprised. Obviously they made everybody pretty boys, and Mamoro Miyano is voicing Reinhard I believe. But art and animation actually looks pretty decent overall. It's a PV, and LOGH's best quality is it's story and characters, so we'll have to see if they remain faithful or not. But it's nice to see it get a visual overhaul.
AidanAK47
By the way this site has the first chapters but check the other versions to find them.
http://mangapark.me/manga/tsurezure-children-wakabayashi-toshiya
AidanAK47
@Mario, Indeed. It's also a pity that over half the couples in the manga were not featured. We only got a small taste of Patricia.
SuperMario
Or maybe I'll try to read the manga. The last time I checked it online, the site doesn't have its first few chapters
SuperMario
@Aidan: man, Tsurezure Children sure is sweet. Really sad to see it ends
AidanAK47
So that's the end of Tsurezure Children.
....I'm gonna need a second season. Now.
....NOW GODDAMNIT! NOW!
KTravlos
As I said I understand the criticisms to RE:Creator, but ultimately I enjoyed most of the show. It could had been better, and it is a missed chance. But I have seen worse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I gave up halfway through, there weren't even enough action scenes and those that were didn't justify waiting around for.
AidanAK47
Could have at least delivered on the action but that was rendered pointless due to the majority of the cast turning good and Altair being a complete cheat character.
AidanAK47
It would have been really fun to see characters discuss their stories with their creators or indulge in what our world has to offer but they really glossed over that part.
AidanAK47
It really should have gone deeper into the whole meta aspect introducing anime characters to the real world. Like they did with Mamika's powers being ridiculously destructive when outside a kid friendly setting.
AidanAK47
@Puran, I at least like the message of the final episode. But as for the show itself it was just missed potential on a lot of levels. I wanted Anime Genre battle royale and instead got a secondhand Shirobako with a crap shounen anime attached.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have been forgiving of Anno as I've gotten older.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also just re-watched gunbuster, I'd previously dismissed the ova after a few episodes when I was a teenager, I'd found it too slow, didn't have that issue with the 90 minute version I just finished. I've never see the sequels.
Lenlo
Ill have to finish Creators... at some point
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've been dipping back into the Lupin franchise, Gold of babylon was particularly screwball, kind of ridiculous comedy caper/adventure thing you just have to run with....turns out it was directed by a live action filmaker I especially like who made bizzare noir films in the 60s.
Puran
So that explains why Meteora had so much air time in Re:Creators. It's her story....

I hated the ending and I disliked the anime overall.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was a genuine surprise to see that Assayas decided to make a film framed around hentai =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I loved how incoherent demonlover was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The criticisms I'll give wind river, is a slight inconsistent performance from Renner and that very awkwardly inserted flashback scene.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: on Wind River, I agree it's a well-executed case of the week drama, although there are some plot pregressions that I don't get (how did they find out about the man's corspe again?). About Demonlover, man, the film gives me a chill down my spine. Heartless. And a bit misogynist.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: as much as I loved Wong (yeah I too prefer him over Malick), sometimes I do think Western cinema give him too much praise that sadly overshadow other Asian directors.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wong is important to me as a hong-kong filmaker, he offers something entirely different from the whole Woo/Lam Hong komg movies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: On a more positive note Maggie Cheung did mention that she felt her early work with Wong was when she first truly became a proper actress.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: ....I had no idea he had such a sad background.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*investigation drama
SuperMario
@Kaiser: that film also marked/ signified a rather sad period of Hongkong showbiz. Leslie Cheung badically lived the live of the protagonist and commited suicide in 1997. His girlfriend on screen, during the filming, was kidnaped, raped and taken topless picture. The damnest thing is that everyone knowed the culprit but did nothing, and in the press it was just deemed as "kipnapped and assaulted"
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wind river was a big surprise for me, just goes to show that with the right execution an ordinary police drama movie can be elevated higher.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Thats the interesting thing, tracking a directors career.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just binge watched the new dominion tank police ovas , admittedly these are kind of reptitive and extremely silly but its hard to hate on something so shamelessly fun that made me feel like a child again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: you said it there. DoBW is rather raw and unpolished but that's one of the reason why I am drawn to it more compare to his other works.
AidanAK47
In all honesty, it would be nice to finally see a continuation after fusion as all games after that have just been adding chapters in-between.
Vonter
Finally I wonder, if Metroid Prime 4 will definitely branch out of the main Metroid's continuity. It's curious how an interquel subseries is still going to add things in between the first and the second entries in the main franchise.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - I think is nice we can see both takes. Especially since neither one despite a few qualms are still very solid entries for this franchise. I just hope Metroid moves forward, as IMO this is the only game that really needed a facelift do to the heavy limitations of the gameboy. And I hope the secret gallery at the end is teasing how the producer plans to move the plot forward.
AidanAK47
I thought it might be like that but it's good to know they are at least on a close level. I didn't really want Samus Returns to replace AM2R as the "Definitive" version of Metroid 2. Mostly because a lot of love was put into AM2R andit came at a point when it felt Nintendo didn't give a crap about Metroid.
Vonter
Like Zero Mission there's something added to Samus Returns but I'll just leave it at that.
Vonter
I think both have strong points. Samus Returns have better boss battles, gameplay mechanics and more intense action pieces. AM2R IMO has more atmosphere, takes advantage of elements Nintendo don't even try like the Federation subplot, and the ending portion narratively has more heart in AM2R, while in Samus Returns it feels mostly like "the final level".
Vonter
I also did got lost a couple of times in Samus Returns and aside from the big water section in AM2R, the latter is more linear game.
Vonter
I think the controls in Samus Returns bring more to the table though. The 360 aiming makes for better ways to shoot enemies and some of the bosses take advantage of that. If it weren't for the 3DS giving hand cramps because you're holding L and R at several points it'll be completely the most ideal way to play.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - AM2R is very good, I think it has the advantage that because it uses sprites IMO backgrounds and enemies are more vibrant and easier to appreciate. The Federation soldiers are better executed in AM2R and that secret section with the ship is very eery.
AidanAK47
@Vonter, How does it stack up to AM2R? I bought it and am still waiting on it to be delivered but I have the feeling that AM2R would be the better game when comparing.
Vonter
I took me 12 hours to 100% and I've heard the best ending is beating it in less than 4 hours. I think unlike Zero Mission item percentage don't matter, it's mainly to unlock an art gallery.
Vonter
My main criticism is this being a 3DS game. Small enemies can be hard to see or appreciate. And I think the 3DS wasn't made for heavy action packed games like this or Smash Bros. I got the rubber from the circle pad come off in two occasions. Also unless there was something big in the background, several areas felt lacking in detail. Still Samus and the bosses look good.
Vonter
In terms of difficulty, the game has the enemies packing more damage than in other 2D Metroids. Is difficult in the sense than you can't tank damage as in other iterations, you have to be aware of enemy behavior and bosses mainly get easier do to familiarizing with their patterns, since I did die a lot each time I faced a new boss. And got used to kill them faster as I went along.
Vonter
Ok, so I beat Samus Returns. It's quite good. Unlike Fusion that had dialogue at midst the gameplay. Samus Returns only has a prologue of exposition and any cutscenes mainly accentuate the reactions of Samus confronting a new enemy. The level design is dense, despite having isolated areas like in Fusion and the original Samus Returns, each area is very mazelike.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: =< Awww I kind of like demonlover actually despite all its flaws, it had great sound design and had this cold, clinical, un-nerving mood to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Days of being wild does feel a bit un-realized/un-polished/rough compared to his other work definitely but its probably the rawest I've seen from him and that has its appeal.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Haven't seen farewell my concubine come to think of it. Regarding the scifi element I felt I embraced it more further into the film when it started to intermingle more.
While I am more forgiving toward Malick's recent films than most, that decline in quality means I have to pick Wong.
KTravlos
by the way in RE:Creators we probably will be getting a future series focusing on the hunt for Magane :p Meteora probably playing the role of detective. I also bet her novel will be wordy and heavy in exposition :p
KTravlos
i.e his end game might had been a cross-species revolution against him anyway. We will see
KTravlos
In Bahamut Chris proves to not be totally evil, but he is totally crazy. That said I am seeing one of my hunches getting supported, the hunch was that his cruelty towards daemons was with the purpose of bringing them down enough that they would be willing to work with humans as euals (As they are in Jean's army) and thus via that create a more unified world. I
KTravlos
RE: Creators has come to its end. I know the problems everyone has with it, and while it failed to raise to the level of exceptional show, I loved it. As I said, it had been years since a show kept me so excited episode after episode. They blew it at some point, but ultimately for me this is an en-joyful show, and one I would happily binge watch in the future again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: question for you though, between these two directors, which one do you prefer: Wong Kar-Wai or Terrance Malick?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: if you enjoyed both 2046 and In the Mood for Love, by all mean check out Days of Being Wild. The trio forms a loose trilogy and Days of Being Wild was the first film that Wong began his unique unconventional style. It's one of my personal favorite of Wong and it's a chance for you to watch the late Leslie Cheung acted (you might watch him already in Farewell My Concubine)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: 2046 is indeed a passionate film, and one of his best looking film. He tried something different in 2046 too, experimented with scifi (one of the best part in the film for me)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's stritcly Wong Kar Wai's romance we're talking about, since I don't find the rest of Chinese take on romance that interesting. Romance or melodrama is one of his main theme throughout his career
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was slightly overly long however.
I've also seen chungking express, in the mood for love and fallen angels. I think this Chinese take on romance is really clicking with me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I also thought it was a very passionette film and I love how Kar-wong-wai uses the music in it. I also think its one of his best looking films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I had a look at that Chinese film 2046, very effectively melancholic take on fleeting relationships while also successfully being quite sensual while staying classy and without ever showing too much. Tony Leung and Maggie Cheung are two beautiful people =P
SuperMario
for those who still want to catch up with 18if, episode 11 has a huge recap, while wrapping up the show with a new overarching plot. Hopefully they don't pull another Matrix here
SuperWooper
It's shounen-y for sure. The competitions have been my least favorite parts of the show so far. If you're still watching, you might appreciate it more once the Tenpei Cup is over.
Anonymous1399692
Damn Ballroom looks so good. But I really can't enjoy it despite that I want to. It has too many of these typical shounen moments and plot points I can't stand.
Anonymous1399684
Omae wa mou shindeiru
Lenlo
Mononoke is actually what made me find Ayakashi. Also a good show.
SuperMario
Regarding Ayakashi, I only watched the Mononoke segment
SuperMario
"It was a long, long trip, and we're coming finally to the end of the journey. Thank you, Manoyama and Chupacabra. And thank you, 5 EURO" - Sandal-san.
Lenlo
Ayakashi was great for me Kaiser. I enjoyed my time with it
Vonter212
@AidanAK47 - The hard aspect has been commented in several reviews with bosses being able to easily kill you. (Although in my experience it might be just getting a pattern). In terms of length most 2D games can be beaten under 3 hours. This one seems to clock at at least 6 to 15 if you want to collect everything. Then again, we'll see in subsequent playthroughs.
AidanAK47
`@Vonter. It's out now but I don't remember seeing anyone claim it's the longest hardest entry 2D wise.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Going to watch new dominion tank police next and read violence action and Oddman 11.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It took me years to get round to it, but I finally watched Ayakashi and as expected like most anthologies, again its mixed, the first is a solid ghost story that improves after a weak start, but that third one with the cat spirit was great, really liked how experimental that looked.
Vonter
Soo a new Metroid comes out this week. It is said, it's the longest, hardest entry in regards to the 2D iterations. Still not as great as Super, and depending on your fanaticism it might or not be as good as Zero Mission.
SuperMario
But they didn't pull that scene off too well. It's just... unmemorable. In fact the whole show is very unremarkable. Now only 1 episode left I might as well finish it but I won't give it a full review
SuperMario
Koi to Uso has been disappointing so far. Episode 10 featured the sequence that i was looking forward the most in the manga: the former classmate tells the one sided crush of the main girl from her POV. For a romance that contrived and manipulated like this one, hearing this from the third person's perspective prove to be more powerful
Vonter
@HelghastKillzone - Good luck with that. I almost had my car's engine damaged since it has been raining heavily where I live. Had to ask for help the next day to pull it out of mud. Still not as bad as the other three cars that did get stuck in the water.
HelghastKillzone
Dealing with work and the total loss of my car really sucks at the moment so I'm quite tied up for this week.
KTravlos
I do agree to a point, but to be frank all the episodes of Princess Principal to date have been so solid I have a hard time deciding. Episode 5 though was still the best from a holistic point (action, direction, music etc) was the one introducing Chise
SuperMario
Agree. Dorothy has the biggest heart out of all the spy girls. Also "help" that her episodes are all melodramatic.
Amagi
This episode of PrinPrin showed again that Dorothy is the best character by far. Not just herself but her episodes as well are better written than the rest if you ask me.
KTravlos
It just hit me. The characters in Princess Principal may be very well working for IngSoc :p
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, in the seven chapters it's only really two of them that contain dark shocking content. Chapter three being the biggest one in that regard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read a comment where someone said subahibi shocked them more than saya no uta. While I haven't played it yet, I have seen some of a letsplay...it lleft me thinking....how many hours until this actually gets good/truly unhinged .
AidanAK47
After Reading SubaHibi, Made in Abyss's dark turn didn't shock me too much. Maybe I just got desensitised. I will have a review of SubaHibi hopefully up in a week though to clarify my feelings on it after just finishing it, It was interesting but disappointing.
KTravlos
well, well. Both Made in the Abyss and Virgin Soul do not hold back. Grim! RE:Creators is warping up. Comparing with these other shows I can fully appreciate the problems people have with it. But still I am glad I am sticking to the end. Altair's voice actor by the way did great.
AidanAK47
@Helghast, And Kings Field was the Demon Souls before Demon Souls came out.
KTravlos
having binge watched several of this season's shows I would say Princess Principal is the most rounded. Made in Abyss is good. Kakegurui and The Reflection as SuperMario said will depend on your tastes. There is also Shouko no Altair. You will like it if you liked Tanya Saga of Evil, or Legend of Galactic Heroes, or Arslan Senki or manga like Vinland Saga, Gunka no Baltzar, and especially Historie
Anonymous1385641
Jesus...me watching this weeks Made in Abyss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ogzsWhZcmM
HelghastKillzone
So... Demon Souls was the Dark Souls before Dark Souls came out.
SuperMario
@anon1385426: the safest bets aside from Made in Abyss are Welcome to the Ballroom and Princess Principal. Kakegurui and the Refection are for more acqurired taste
Anonymous1385426
Aside from Made in Abyss, what's the best anime this season?
Lenlo
@KT, the pacing and the framerate early on are my two biggest issues. Later on the story starts to get abit more engaging, and they start doin things I didnt expect, but the pacing is still there. Some akward pauses.
Lenlo
Look, Berserk and Dark Souls are both amazing. But I only have 3 Dark Souls games, and 38 Berserk volumes. Im clearly biased
KTravlos
I sat down and watched the first 4 episodes of The Reflection. It is an interesting attempt, and I can see the people making it having fun doing so. But I did notice a pacing issue. For some reason the episodes felt like they dragged a bit too long.
AidanAK47
Dark Souls is the Berserk of Video Games.
Amagi
Dark Souls really went all Berserk if you ask me
AidanAK47
I am not one for putting down law but can we never ever compare anything to Dark Souls ever again? Cause it's actually become really tiresome how everything is the dark souls of something.
Lenlo
No other sentence has made me want to watch Made in Abyss more
HelghastKillzone
I guess we're finally at the point where Made in Abyss goes all Dark Souls/Bloodborne.
Amagi
Apo's Jack the Ripper had at least a nice idea behind it, it's just the clothes that are a bad choice. But there are just too many lolis for the sake of fanservice in that game. I accept it if there is at least a reason for this but it's usually just random.
Amagi
@Aidan: Same here. I was never a fan of genderbendings and turning historical people into lolis. The first one I can accept with people like Arthuria because it added a lot to her character, but most of them are just plain and generic. I just see no reason why pirates, grown up men or Blavatsky would ever appear as little girls. Especially since popular beliefs should influence their appearance.
SuperMario
On Altair, one commenter did an excellent job of poiting out the appeal of that show; and frankly the show is wearing on me now.
SuperMario
@Travlos: I'm glad you enjoy Princess Principal. I'm quite surprised myself that in the latter half the show slowed its pace down which mean the focus is switched from action to more characters interactions; which I greatly enjoy
KTravlos
Well I binge watched Princess Principal. That is a very good show. I was surprised. Good animation, good music, the art is good, hell I even did not mind the protagonist art. But what I really like is the stories. All the episode were pretty solid and interesting.
AidanAK47
Just won a fight by the skin of my teeth thanks to my Lancer, Cu Chulainn. You the man Cu!
AidanAK47
@Amagi, Been playing Grand Order myself. It's rather fun. There are some good original character in it but I notice with Quantity certain figures designs were pretty terrible. I thought Assassins of black was the worst but some Grand Order servents manage to top it in terrible. Why all the bikini's?
Amagi
Fate/GO has quite some interesting original characters there. Wish we'd see them in some actual manga or anime series with more backstory someday. - I also like that we finally have an overpowered, interesting and competent Hassan with King Hassan for once. His design is metal AF too.
KTravlos
Binge watched Altair. The pacing of the show is a problem, but in general the raw material is good. Altair is sympathetic, and the world is interesting. But I do feel this is the kind of show that would had gained by a Monster or LOGH type treatment. Also, man it is scary how accurate they got some of the traits of Greeks (Phoenicians in the show). I am a Greek, I should know! :p
KTravlos
forgot to mention. I saw the 91 Days special. Three side stories that give some depth to the events in the main anime, but nothing that goes beyond it's end. Still they were in general ok to good.
SuperWooper
It's got Jude Law playing "this kind of huge robot butler called Charles, who is also a rocket ship." What could possibly go wrong?
AidanAK47
Anime with Jaden Smith? Um..I don't know about this.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: one of the good thing about SoL shows like Centaur and even 18if is that their episodes are self-contained, so you can just jump right in to watch the good ones and ignore the rest
SuperMario
I just love Chise's presence so I might enjoy the last episode more than anyone else. But yeah I'm quite satisfied with Princess Principal right now
AidanAK47
Actually I am quite surprised Princess Principal hasn't gone off the rails yet. Might even turn out to be a fun show in the end. If the man can make it to the finish line without a misstep.
AidanAK47
Hey I am having fun with my Shows. Made in Abyss is still quite excellent and Fate/Apoc is picking up. Even started playing Fate/Grand Order.
Lenlo
Man, sounds like I was the only one to have a good week with their show. Reflection really stepped it up this week in pretty much every category. Not sure it will last, but hey. Ill take one
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm so disappointed in 18...if. Perfect opportunity to capitalize on something with a dreamlike feel to it and be creative only it ends up getting held back.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I see Vonter and Mario are seducing me into watching Centaur.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*can't
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can'y see myself giving re creators a second chance, and from skimming these conversations, why should the show only get going at the end? It just sounds like too little too late.
AidanAK47
Honestly that's what Re:Creators biggest issue is. It builds up these great interesting idea's and then refuses to capitalize on them.
AidanAK47
Then it would be a battle to win over the audience and he who entertains them the most would get the most power. Just think of how many interesting ways that would take the fight. Like Altair could lose power and have to win over the crowd with her backstory and theatrics. A hero could purposefully get beaten to hell just so they can get a powerup from saying a boastful speech about kicking ass.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Exactly. Now there is an interesting fighting element. Imagine if both Altair and the heroes had to fight with the limitation of keeping the audience entertained. Altair couldn't pull out overpowered nonsense because the audience wouldn't approve and her power would drop. Same goes for the heroes.
Anonymous1378112
On the other hand I am not a fan of this whole final arc. It's just not believable to me to gather such a big audience who will do nothing but watch and accept everything you show them. Not to mention that the show is technically live acting to them. Considering how much anime fanbases already hate the DN movie and stuff I doubt many would sit there and accept that
Anonymous1378112
@Aidan: This made me pretty angry. like, they wasted a ton of screentime with these boring info dumps and now they're just irrelevant and the enemy just fucks over it
AidanAK47
Actually the last development was actually a screw the rules moment as well. So the only way to beat Altair is to just chuck aside the rules established with the last 20 episodes.
AidanAK47
You don't need to give Altair a creator in order to to limit her. You just need her to obey the rules the entire series has spent time setting up. Altairs actions are just handwaved with "Screw the rules! I am a OC" audence acceptance doesn't seem to make a difference.
AidanAK47
@KTravlos, The creators have incredibly limited power as while they can introduce anything, it won't be effective unless the audience approves of it. Altair can pull whatever she wants without limit. If anything I don't understand why the audence isn't shouting for her to get nerfed seeing as some random indie character is wrecking fan favourite characters.
Vonter212
@SuperMario - Centaur Worries is the equivalent of Every Flavour Beans. You don't know what you're gonna get, bad, good, cringe, cool, deep, superficial, etc. While the gore isn't that graphic, it is still violent for this kind of show and the alien part has some disturbing body horror, for this show. The shock is mainly because of how light hearted everything else is.
SuperMario
I just watched Centaur, it was heavy as hell, but really poetic in tying these 2 half episodes together. God, it's excellent. And I don't mid the show's constant tonal shifts at all
KTravlos
@Aidan I have to disagree with you. Altair's overpowering does not bother me too much. a) If you think about it, it is their only choice, as creators also have immense power. There only other option would be to give Altair her own Creator, but that would turn this to just a Fate copy. So I am ok with what they have done. b) they do explain it world-wise so it does not come out of the blue
KTravlos
A nice overview of the alternative history genre, but more importantly the work of Kawaguchi http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/the-mike-toole-show/2017-09-04/.120893
SuperMario
@Vonter: the manga has gore and alien? Really? Now that's interesting
SuperMario
... genre often does. For me its unfocusness works for its benefit. We don't know for sure what we gets each time and that's the main reason I still looking forwards to it every week
SuperMario
@Vonter: I haven't caught up with Centaur's this week but I heard it tackles Holocaust so I'm all in. It's not something cute girl
Vonter
Wow, Centaur Worries, took some really heavy themes this episode. The softy in me, found them powerful, but the cynic in me thinks it might have been a touch manipulative, since this show has interesting ideas, but lacks focus. One episode is cute, another progressive, another ecchi, and another the holocaust. Makes me wonder if they'll show the gore and the aliens from the manga.
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