Posted by psgels on 22 October 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews


Apologies for the lateness of this review, but more on that later. Let me first put up a warning: if you’re planning to watch this series and have some kind of little brother or sister: keep Shigurui AWAY from them. Nobody under sixteen should be allowed to watch this. Not only is this one of the, if not THE goriest anime I’ve seen, it’s also filled with over-the-top sexual reference.

Sure, a show like Elfen Lied may have had more blood, but that was also all it had: lots of blood and random limbs gushed over the screen, but it never really went further than that. Shigurui carries gore to an entirely next level. The amount of detail is astonishing; the creators have an amazing amount of medical knowledge, and they use al of it. When a finger gets broken, you see exactly which bones dislocate. When an arm gets cut off, you see exactly how the muscles grow back. And that’s what makes it such an effective horror-series.

Especially when you combine it with the storytelling. The pacing is very slow, but it uses the gore and very creepy sound-effects to create an extremely tight atmosphere. It’ll have you during its many and creepy climaxes. If it wasn’t for its flaws, this would have been one beast of an anime.

Because yes, it’s a shame, but there are a few things that went wrong here. Especially in the first half, the creators get carried away a bit too much and delve in pointless rituals, like cutting off a woman’s nipple and eating it. Only at episode six, the series gets back on track With a gripping and powerful second half. The role of women also isn’t too good in this series. Basically, every single guy in the series is a bastard, and nearly all the women are good for is to serve as sex-objects or helpless sword-targets.

My biggest gripe is with the ending, though. The ending, while it does resolve a few things, leaves huge amounts of plotholes open. The reason I’m so late with this review is that I kept hoping that there would be some kind of thirteenth episode that would wrap the entire series up, but there’s nothing. One of the two major questions asked in the beginning hasn’t even been answered, for goodness’ sake.

Still, despite this, Shigurui is a definite recommendation for those who can stomach the huge amounts of gore. The animation may be simple, and most of the series consists of still frames, but the art itself makes up for it, by being incredibly detailed, and it’s only when the creators turn to CG on very few occasions that it doesn’t look excellent. But seriously… isn’t there really not some kind of second season or OVA to wrap it up?

29 Responses

  1. Cos says:

    There’s a manga in progress but it’s going very slowly, so I think there’s still much to wait for a new season.

  2. alynd says:

    ah – i want to see it really bad now

  3. roastedpekingduck says:

    Shigurui was far too gory and twisted for me, and the fantastic animation made everything all the more harder to stomach for me. Honestly though, besides the gore, I just didn’t like the show all that much. After four episodes, I never found any of the characters interesting. The entire cast was just unlikeable. I can tolerate gore, as in Baccano!, but the combination of squeamish stuff and “messed up-ness” made Shigurui something I didn’t enjoy.

  4. thomasvye says:

    If you want to find out what happens next, read the manga, which is ongoing. As a reader of the manga myself, I was completely thrilled with the end; it ended with exactly the event I would have wanted at it’s climax. >)

    I have to question your opinion of the women. I think you do them a great disservice. Iku is a very strong woman indeed, a partner and collaborator (and all round rock really) in the second half of the story. And considering what she’s had to tolerate, I think Mie is too. As for your ‘helpless sword target’ comment, look at how the men treat each other with such casual cruelty. I don’t think anyone gets away with an easy life in the brutal world of Shigurui.

    I can only hope there will be a second season, because this series was art. It realised an amazing manga beautifully (especially in the evocative sounds).

    (As you can probably tell, this is one of my favourite things ever).

  5. taelrak says:

    So what does happen in the manga then? I don’t understand Japanese :(

  6. Joel K says:

    This anime is insane, seriously i’m a 5th year medical student and i’ve seen surgeries and in fact conducted some myself, but the intensities of this type of violence rocked me to the core. I have no idea how historically correct this is (not saying the storyline is true, but whether the cultural influence is correct, maybe someone can shed more light on that subject) but I found it to be intriguing, I had to stomach a lot of the violence, but apart from that i’m a lover of shigurui.

    I would have to agree with Thomas about the women, I found the women to be quite strong, they played the part of quiet onsiders which we have all learnt in history classes was their exact role brilliantly. I do agree they were the attention of many sexual expliticites in this series, but hey… i don’t believe this should be shown to anyone under the age of 16, hell i haven’t even told my 17 year old brother about it. The female characters showed the complexities of this era, such as male dominance, loyalty, honour and family (blood related or not).

    I do agree on the lack of follow up, i’ve been searching for ages for an adequate ending (to ease my troubled mind about the many burning questions i have) and yes i’m one of these ones that don’t understand japanese and therefore am unable to share in the pleasures of manga. to be honest i’m pretty unhappy with anime series that have poor endings, my recent gripe before shigurui came along was trinity blood – loved it, couldn’t get enough of it, and then caput i’m left hanging… i’m sorry its not a comment about trinity blood, i’ll leave that one alone.

    overall, shigurui is brilliant in both art and storyline. the violence and gore are something you will have to stomach and if you can’t – don’t watch it! simple. but the story is great.. i know someone said that the characters are unbelievable and its slow paced. i totally agree with the slowness of the story, but for some reason it takes a hold of you and you just can’t stop watching (maybe its the gore – who knows). but the characters are intense, they don’t show much personality, but again i believe this to be the cultural influence of the era – they are basically soldiers for their dojo, so taken in that vane, i believe they were well constructed. thanks for listening to my ramblings.

  7. Searching for Odin says:

    I for one thought the ending was PERFECT… both characters were displayed with a level of realism i have NOT seen in ANY anime I have ever watched… just trying to put myself in their situations was one of the things I found compelling about this series. Also, the way the characters interacted (restrained, unresponsive) says VOLUMES more than every other character i have seen that would smile while getting beaten up but turn violent when someone they care about is about to be hurt (a la shonen-style). Take for example the event where the successor is first announced. All the main characters showed their true colors in that short segment. (One appeared as simply a tool only capable of following orders, the other conniving and self-obsessed)

    Furthermore, to end the series the way it did was about the best you could get out of an anime that portrays two characters with such indomitable spirits. I also seriously liked how it was NOT a shounen-style/bullshit series where you KNOW a characters will survive. There was never a moment during a showdown that I could say “I know this guy’s gonna win,” (with the obvious exemption of the main characters) as nothing ever felt definite.

    One more thing, samurai society was adamant about subjects such as fealty and loyalty, which was portrayed very well in this series.

  8. Mike says:

    I have to disagree with you about the ending. I find it unfortunate that the manga is carrying on past the anime’s ending, because I thought it was perfect. It really isn’t about the fight that initiates in ep 1, but rather about the journey that brought them there. I know what I just said was very cliche, but I feel that it’s very true with regards to this series, and very effective. I did not feel cheated by the ending, as I kind of expected it given the pacing of the story.

  9. Mark says:

    I just finished the series today and had that annoying feeling afterwards at being left hanging (though I pretty much saw that coming), but after letting it sit for a few hours, it’s actually grown on me.

    I think that the winner of the fight is irrelevant, and in a way, letting the viewer imagine that fight in your head creates far more interest. They couldn’t have added anything more to the story by showing the fight and winner, so it isn’t really needed.

    This series is right up there for me in terms of art direction, music, characterisation and depth. I am recommending it only to hardcore anime enthusiasts though as I think it is a bit difficult to get into.

    Amazing show, might chase up the manga.

  10. JJ says:

    This is easily the best anime I’ve ever seen. The story is extremely realistic, this is definitely something that could have happened in that period. Also, Shigurui was based off of a novel, so it explains the quality it has over any other anime.

    I loved how for once Samurais were presented as realistic human beings instead of heroes that saves the day. I love how the end, there was no one to save anyone. Everyone was wallowing in their own misery while the supposed “villain”, Irako, went up higher and higher in social status. While many believe that Irako was the villain in the story, he was the one who was actually trying “break” the system Japan had at the time. He was the only one who didn’t want to be a slave, a mere soldier, he detested the laws of the society at that period. Although that did cost him his eyes, in the end he succeeded by destroying what Fujiki ever had.

    I know a lot of people complain about the ending. Well, what if they didn’t show you the match at the beginning, would you be satisfied then??

    Plus, there’s a manga that is yet to be finished. I’m in the process of reading it right now, and yes, it actually gets better and better. There still much to tell in terms of story and the rise of Irako, the fall of Fujiki. Kugan’s past, Fujiki’s past, it’s just brilliant storytelling.

  11. Alx says:

    I just want to know about Mie…I have no real other way to say it, but towards the end of the anime, she got a bit “weird.” And I don’t see anything wrong with Fujiki, and why he has to “fall.” If anything, he showed dedication and loyalty, even to Mie while she was still holding on to the dream of Irako (that, by the way, made me dislike Mie very much).

    And I’m just curious…I thought Mie liked FUJIKI instead of Irako? Wasn’t that why she wanted to bite her tongue during that one time?

  12. Mark says:

    And praise the anime licensing gods,as Funi grabbed it,and there is an official site up.

    I cant wait to get the R1 dvd’s with art
    box !!!! I like many are surprised they got it,surprised anyone grabbed it.

    Check AOD.com for the full press release.If any of you enjoyed it,put your money where your mouth is,and support the companies that are making it.Buy buying the dvd’s when they hit stateside.

  13. Alex says:

    I had to see it three time to actually grasp the many nuances of the story (translation aside) and.. I would very much like to see this anime in the big screen, in a word.
    This series I consider an “epic”.
    Fujiki was the good obedient one and Ikaro was the liberal creative one.
    There is no good or evil here only the struggle within the parameters of their basic instincts. Human drama.
    I think that I understand samurai thinking, to the degree that my western ignorance allows.
    This series with its awesome sound, has a zen to humanity connection that grows in complexity as the story rolls, no moment seems to be wasted and every ritual has a point to it. The biting of the vase..
    My question is this.
    Who cuts off Fujiki’s arm??..
    Was it Gonzo?.
    Did they fight for the supremacy of the dojo?

  14. Duke says:

    1 fucking question!
    i mean cmon…
    how the hell did Fujiki lost his hand in, presumably, so dramatic manner? (with the burn mark and everything)
    Awesome anime but cmon man, few more episodes wouldnt spoil anything..

  15. JJ says:

    Irako cuts off Fujiki’s arm in their first battle

    And the reason why Mie went crazy towards the end was because Irako was expelled from the school. She really loved him but she knows that she will never see him again.

    It was explained in the manga, and she stopped eating and became really skinny

  16. Fabian says:

    Who wins at the tournament which started in the 1st chapter?

  17. MP says:

    Irako doesn’t cut off his arm in the first battle. He breaks his fingers. In fact he breaks the fingers of the arm which he ends up keeping. The missing arm is never resolved.

  18. Fabian says:

    No, I’m talking about the tournament with the real blades. The one which already shows Fujiki with 1 arm, and a blind and cripple Irako. Who wins that?

  19. TheBastid says:

    Here is the scene where Irako cuts off Fujiki’s arm….

    This happens *after* the final episode of Shigurui…so only in the manga

    http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=34022

  20. joe says:

    So who wins in the end in the manga, Fukiki or Irako?

    If anyone here speaks Japanese, please, oh please look around the internet for announcements for a second season. It ould make me the happiest guy alive….

    By the way, I can’t get into the Funimation Shigurui site. How do you do it?

  21. Chris R. says:

    Shigurui is definitely in the top 3 anime I’ve ever seen. If they release a second season… say another 13 episodes… that would bring it up to #1 for me I think. Ending left me dying for more! Realistic, historically plausible, brooding, dark, artsy, and swimming in blood and guts. I’ve read a bunch of posts that say the characters were flat and unlikeable. I don’t think that is so, it’s just that they, (the characters,) don’t wear their hearts on their sleeves! the emotions are subtle and understated, as one would expect of tough guy kenshi in the early Edo period. Take the scene when Iraku is named as the successor… Kogan just pushes Mie at him and grumbles something about “seeed…” (gross,) and Fujiki just takes it… He doesn’t speak up or make his obvious feelings for Mie known… This made some people hate him, but it makes me like him even more! C’mon people, he’s not a robot or a psychopath, (well, ok maybe he’s a little bit of a psychopath…) he’s extremely pissed off and upset! He’s just so dedicated to his Ryuha that he swallows his feelings. That’s the ideal way for a samurai to react! The group is everything, individual desires are nothing. Suffering and sacrifice to benefit the greater good. That’s EXACTLY how the bushi were supposed to operate (at least according to idealized Edo era bushido…)

  22. Eliasoz says:

    What the FUCK man, you guys should learn to put a damn SPOILER warning for christ’s sake!! You just don’t divulge that kind of spoiler material about the manga, you bastards.

    May you rot in hell!!

  23. Yoh says:

    I agree no one under 17 should approach this. I gory and Nc17- if not 21 material but I found it surprisingly good and the manga it is based on is awesome a sneak peak into the samurai world I am thrill to see how it ends. I disagree on women perception they are incredibly complex and strong if not a bit insane too they actually move the story being the real powers behind Fujiki and Irako, so much that Mie is a desirable target for the other party for without her Fujiki is just an empty shell and I really think she still has a crush on Irako despite all; they simply are not portrayed in their full splendor in the anime because their stories where not completely covered in those tomes and they are epochs accurate they are not modern women. I was taken by a comment that they omitted”in a warrior clan marriage is an affair regarding the line, there is place for the concept known as love.”

  24. Cyber echo says:

    As a fan of the series I must say, the negative comments don’t give the series much justice. However, I am speaking in 2010, where almost all the story has been released and translated to english as a manga.The anime covers chapter 0-32. The Manga covers chapters 0-80+, last released was 78. The last chapter remains which will be released next fall. The chapters after the anime cover a lot of the past, before the anime happened, and then progresses from the point at where the last anime episode left off, to eventually reach the final fight shown in episode 1 of the anime.

    I don’t think the gore is that bad. There are other series with way worse gore like Gantz for example. The series is not focus on gore, however, it shows the alacrity of violence to the fullest. This is a dark mature anime that will not appeal to everyone.

    The anime needs to generally be regarded in a non-western point of view. Reading the fansubbed mangas that contain some explanations (kudos to the translators) might help. The story needs some understanding of bushido and the samurai spirit, and the story fundamentally hinges on the difference between the twin dragons.

    Also, even within chapters 0-32, the manga contains some scenes that the anime doesn’t, and vice versa. If you like the anime but felt something was missing read the mangas and story starts to get way richer. Prepare for sad twists.. this is one sad story, and I think the end was sadly hinted at in the first episode..

    Overall, highly recommended for anyone looking for something mature. This is the best anime I have ever watched and I’ve watched quite a few.
    However, if you’re looking for a full story and don’t want to read the manga, look elsewhere, the anime series only covers 30% of the story if not less.

  25. bIO bON says:

    it’s a non linear narrative. there is a conclusion to the series when the girl foretolds the death of Fujiki in the first episode. Thank you

  26. Eddie says:

    Yeah it’s a great anime. The problem is that it’s base on an manga that at the time wasn’t even finished running it’s course. The anime only covers like 1/4 of the series. Hopefully they’ll feel fit to complete to series entirely and give more detail into the ending.

  27. DE says:

    Just finished the manga…..BIG spoilers!

    In the end, both of them lost everything. No, they did not kill off each other. The ending is very tragic, yet beautiful.

  28. toddler2kid says:

    Anime at the top of the game. Wish it had just one more episode.

  29. turing says:

    This beast is the real deal. A no-nonsense bonecrusher. It’s brutal and merciless, just like the environment it is describing.

    Sure, it’s gory, but it never turns into exploitation, it’s just real. The most disturbing death shows no blood at all.

    The show I most directly relate this to is The Wire. It’s both at core about people being trapped in a social system while at the same time maintaining it. In this case in the warrior class in the feudal system. It effectively deconstructs all the over-romanticisation of the honor code and the feudal era seen in so many other shows and movies.

    The flip side, how often do you see that? Trapped in Honor and Duty, they all act like Thugs, and are much more subhuman than superhuman. How does it feel to cut a human being? Like cutting through a wet towel. If you cut well, you feel nothing at all.

    The masterful direction, the pacing, the music, the Tension, this whole show is wound like a steel spring.

    Like a few other anime series like Kaiba and Mononoke, this show transcends the genre and can stands on its own feet as an independent work of art. There are weak points, but there are also points unmatched in their brilliance, and the overall maturity and patient, skillful, confident execution overshadows those to great extent.

    If I got into a conversation with an adult who knew his way around the history of film, all the great classics, the criterions, knew his genre-defining and genre-defying directors and movies, and he said he’d never seen an anime, I’d tell him to watch this. Go watch this.

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Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You were right about it being harder to watch scums wish than read it. I want to hit the twin tails girl with a hatchet.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm laughing now remembering an old ANN review where they stated golgo 13 was a stress reliever for 30 something Japanese office workers, I get that so much more now lol
Kaiser Eoghan
But seriously violence in fiction, anime/manga included is so damn therapeutic.
Kaiser Eoghan
As such I genuinely was able to enjoy the new M night shaylman flick lol
Kaiser Eoghan
Venting here largely because I can, I now imagine the teenage/twenty something audience members at horror/thriller films as the victims in the films, makes it more tolerable to deal with their existence in the cinema.
Lenlo
I cant help but feel theres some cultural aspect I am missing to the Rakugo rant scene. Makes me sad.
Lenlo
Rakugo, continues to be great and gets another time skip. Im always surprised by how engrossing it is just listening to these people talk.
Lenlo
Makes me sad, just like Berserk. Got an entire shelf dedicated to it but its just so slow. stupid boat.
Lenlo
Vagabond was phenomenal, but its been on hiatus for years now hasnt it
Kaiser Eoghan
....well without spoiling towards the middle of that rakugo episode and all throughout during that middle part, my opinion on Yotaro's character went far up.
Kaiser Eoghan
Struggling to remember the name of that josei samurai manga from the 90s (or earlier 2000s), had a gender bending theme.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've already read kenshin and vagabond, I loved shigurui death frenzy and sword of the stranger but found samurai champloo uneven. Theres a kagemusha manga but I haven't read it and I've yet to see/read blade of the immortal.
Kaiser Eoghan
At a glance I'll go against the grain and say I think demi-chan is funnier than konosuba, going on one episode of each.
I've been watching a fare share of samurai films in the last two years and lately so I'm open to wathing more anime/reading manga dealing with samurai.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, how I love to watch it jumping off the cliff. This show contains lines like "I don't understand... even if I did understand... but I don't understand." It isn't a dialogue that we encounter too often I'm sure.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Sounds good to me. With me covering Little Witch Academia, Saga of Tanya the evil and Rakugo this season is well covered.
SuperMario
so I've decided to blog 3-gatsu, Scum's Wish and ACCA this season. A bit worry about the latter as I still don't have much to talk about that. Let's try it and see what happens; I say
SuperMario
Okay, I'm not hot on Onihei this week, as if the main theme about these two episodes were "people can be corrupted" then I'm not buying it. ACCA, on the other hand, was still very solid of building up the world and its big events to come.
AidanAK47
I have played all the big roguelikes and found they have the same problem. I argee on procedural generation. Even if the map is different every time you are essentailly going through the same rooms and doing the same things.
Masky
Though to be honest, I don't like procedural(or designed room and then game connects them randomly) games much. I much enjoy hand designed dungeons since I rarely play games through more than once anyway so roguelike's appeal of "Every time you play it through its different!" doesn't appeal to me much and hand designed dungeons are much more memorable
Masky
Can't really comment further on that since I don't know which roguelikes you have played, and neither I have played gungeon so I don't know if its badly designed to the point you can't do anything if rng says so. Though I guess there is nothing wrong about liking luck based games, if roguelike in question is truly unbeatable if rng says so, well, its really badly designed one if you ask me.
AidanAK47
Take my last run. Made it up to the fourth floor. Got plenty of guns but none were really useful. Even then ran out of ammo for all of them and the game was cheap about giving out ammo. Plenty of money but shops with nothing worth buying. Over 5 heart containers but no goddamn health. Died on the boss because I rolled out of a bullet into another bullet. Pretty much unavoidable.
AidanAK47
@Masky, that's the theory but in pretty much every roguelike I played its not the case. If the RNG decides you are going to have a bad time then you are going to have a bad time. Skill can only bring you so far. I have played this game for 7 hours and I know I could have finished it in 2. Only thing stopping me is a dice roll.
Masky
Like, the thing with roguelikes is that they can get easier/harder depending on luck, but well done one should be completable even without any upgrades at all if you are skilled enough.
Masky
Thats not the really case with roguelikes though, unless game design is bad and includes insta kill traps and such that are unavoidable if you are unlucky
AidanAK47
I hate roguelikes. Been playing enter the Gungeon and I just lost all patience with it. Getting real tired of my victory being decided by a RNG. It never feels satisfying to finish a roguelike because I know my victory was determined by pure luck.
AidanAK47
So we got to rely on fansubs for it when it's airing.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Nope. I think because netflix only puts up full seasons they are only planning to put it up when it's finished airing. Or when it's dubbed.
SuperMario
But how does the Netflix thing work? So of I have a Netflix account I can watch the show weekly?
SuperMario
@Aidan: that's a dumb way to do things really because unless you watch the show weekly, everyone gonna forget that it even exist. Just look at Re-Life last year
Lenlo
thought*. Words are hard.

Eventually found the actual first ep though and enjoyed it.
Lenlo
Was funny. I tried to find the first Ep for Little Witch, found original short made afew years ago, watched it and though "This is very similar to the original... Whats new".
AidanAK47
Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
Lenlo
Ore Monogatari I enjoyed. It was a nice romance that actually explored what happens after the confession. Also the 2 leads are just precious.
Lenlo
Alright but unmemorable seems like a good summation.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: one good thing about Seiren is if you don't like this romance, the whole thing gonna reset after episode 4 so there's a chance that you might end up like it. Agreed that the comedy wasn't very good. Alright but unmemorable
SuperMario
@Topgavin: I watched like first 3 episodes and stopped because I didn't have much time there, but I enjoyed what I saw. A well-written and endearing show in my book
Topgavin
Has anyone here watched Ore Monogatari before? Because in the 4 years I've watched anime, I've never heard of it (I guess it did come out 2 years ago) and yet it's turning out to be one of my favorite shows. Always great going into a show expecting nothing and getting pleasantly surprised.
AidanAK47
Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
Lenlo
Im really not feeling Seiren. Its "comedy" isnt for me and I just dont find it very enjoyable to watch so far. Im curious if it gets any better but 2 episodes in it just isnt that good.
HelghastKillzone
That ending scene is an entire side-story compressed into that. Don't expect anymore of it from here on out as the it sticks to ruthless military/fantasy pretty well.
LookingForKeys
@Topgavin I think it was good, making it the second episode. That way the first set up the world the story will be in, and showed how much of a monster the "little girl" really is right at the end, and then made ep.2 the explanation. Nothing against Tanya trying to rip "God" a new one.
That after-credits scene, though...
SuperMario
Hmm, as much as I like Seiren's omnibus format, it doesn't turn out really hot this second episode. Demi-chan, on the other hand, still maintains its endearing tone. Might blogging Demi-chan instead
Topgavin
Yeah, that second episode was much better than the first. Dunno why they didn't start with that to be honest, waste of an opportunity for a good hook episode. The voice for the main girl still sounds weird to me though; I get it's supposed to sound weird because it symbolizes 'her' being out of place and her personality and body being a mismatch, but it'll certainly take some getting used to.
AidanAK47
Youjo Senki, now we are talking. Like Helghast said, Did the god scene way better than the LN and manga. Made it less comedic and more intimidating.
Lenlo
Oh man that Rakugo intro. Not sure what to think, but first time seeing it I liked it
Kaiser Eoghan
I sort of like good will hunting because I kind of saw a bit of myself in Damon's character when I watched it ages ago.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its easy to ripoff some obscure thing though and get away with it. The dogtooth director essentially stole an old Mexican film to make that.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, that following some guys from behind like they were on a RPG games, which I think actually fit with the tones of Elephant. I have such mixed feeling with Gus van Sant too. Don't really think he's a great director.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Although Istvan Szabo is probably a little more well known for that Mephisto film that updates the Faust story. Zoltan Fabri's the fifth seal is a very thought provoking war movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I remember seeing a film documentary that featured Gus van sant in one section, they showed clips of tarrs films, Sant ripped of the cinematography and stole the style from some British short film to make Elephant.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Scorsese's Silence was a big comeback. I really really emotionally connect with spiritual crisis stories.
SuperMario
@kaiser: yep, definitely check wreckmeister down. Althought I admit that watching his 2-hour plus films will feel like 5-hour anyways
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I'm more tolerant of darker teenage/coming of age films/stories. Les Demons was a big surprise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Though its kind of frustrating, I do think Tarr probably takes attention away from other hungarian filmakers because no-body knows who the hell the others are.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
SuperMario
Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
Kaiser Eoghan
@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
Lenlo
Anime hipster is pretty accurate. His general treatment of the current state of anime is annoying, as is his obsession with moe. Maybe its cause I cant stand moe most of the time, but it bugs me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: Essentially my brothers view on digibro.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: I don't usually feel the need to correct errors in your reviews as the errors are generally un-important, but I think you meant to say apprentices rather than appearences in the Rakugo review, just bringing that up as it felt like kind of a throw off.
AidanAK47
Which is kinda like saying Madoka wasn't a magical girl deconstruction because Sailor Moon and Nanoha had dark elements too.
AidanAK47
Went and read the reddit comments on it and seems I was right on the money.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, He's basically a anime hipster. For example, I saw a thumbnail of his which had Saitama on it and below it "Is There Meaning In "Subverting" Shounen Tropes?" and I thought "Okay, he's going to go on about how OPM isn't subversive and then list a bunch of arbitrary examples in an attempt to redefine what is actually subversive"
Lenlo
I have lots of issues with Digibro. Dude has some good points, but other very horrible ones. Some issues he feels strongly about and gets kinda biased on imo.
Anonymous669202
acca looks visually interesting, and I personally really dig this kind of show, but it seems that it's definitely not for everyone
AidanAK47
Time to live up to my word. Four posts incoming.
AidanAK47
Man, Little witch Academia was so good. I disagree with the whole Digibro thing about being able to recognise a great show in it's first episode but watching this makes me think that this really is going to be something special.
AidanAK47
Alright, gonna put in effort today and have 3 or 4 first impressions posts done. That should knock out near half the season.
Kaiser Eoghan
Had a flip through handshakers. Garish is the word I'd use to describe it visually, it takes you out of the show.
Topgavin
ASuperMario From the first minute I can already tell it's by the same people that made K. Those colour filters and the extremely jarring/obvious city CGI is unmistakable.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, literally makes my hands shaking. It's an abosolute mess. Highly recommended to check it out because it's so terrible it's great to watch
Vonter212
Yeah, and it's also a literal woman in refrigerator plot device, since that the thing that pushes the story forward.
Masky
I'd say that having to hide your sister's body in fridge would count as daaaaaaark and edgy, but when the body is wearing only underwear, and for some reason main character put metal things in fridge to keep body standing(I guess to not knock fridge open from inside?) I think it goes to "exploitation" you are talking about
Vonter212
@Masky - Did someone said doing dark things for drama? That's the bread and butter to get despair. Unless it's for the sake of perversion. Then it's just exploitation.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Masky: His other works dead tube and scumbag go further in the unhinged regard.
Masky
*relies on easy "let's do [x dark thing] for drama!" thing
Masky
Geez, Mayonaka no X Giten is fricking disturbing/disgusting ._. I'm pretty sure that writing relies on e, but I can't help but think mangaka is trying to make corpses sexy.
SuperMario
I found Onihei to be quite good, actually one of the most solid new episode I watched this new season. Guys, check them out
Vonter
I just hope it doesn't fall into the same misstep Kabaneri or Inuyasha or Bleach fall by making a villain so over the top that it crossed the line of not having a satisfying downfall.
Anonymous657941
@Vonter I think they just moved on. I lost interest rather quickly and I guess even the fans did that at some point, like with some other long-running series. There is much more new and more direct "fujo" stuff out there, many of them probably switched. Don't know what happens in the manga but maybe the story got worse or contained things some people didn't like.
Vonter
January will be loli dictator month (for me) :p. World Conquest Zvezda Plot, Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil (new), Seraph of the End. For some reason I stumble into three curious series with little power hungry girls. If I can ask, why did Owari Seraph's hype died, I remember back it was mentioned more often. It still has the fujoshi fanart but still, I don't see people bringing it up.
SuperMario
@CATski: well, if you didn't like its first 3 episodes I dont think the rest gonna change your mind. Have you finished Erased then? How did you like it?
SuperMario
But I understand it's difficult to speak in front of camera, get some time to get used to it
SuperMario
@kaiser: I won't commend on poem as I'm terrible at it myself but younneed to work more on presentation Kaiser. Small little things like looking directly at the camera or say "thanks for listening" in the end can connect you to the audience better
Anonymous657071
Ok. I'll give the thing another chance. *clicks torrent* XD. CATski.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Topgavin: You might like centaur no nanami if you like demi-chan.
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