Posted by psgels on 25 November 2007 with categories: Les Miserables - Shoujo Cosette


Well, ignoring the fact that the animation basically went south (such a shame that the animation-budget ran out, right before the ending of this series), this was a really solid aftermath, that basically did everything it needed to do to provide enough closure to the youngsters of this series. Jean and Shushu reunite Gavroche with his two younger brothers, and the three of them come to live along with Jean and Cosette. Later in the episode, they’re also admitted to a school, so that they can study properly.

Marius meanwhile wakes up, and has to face the hard truth: out of all of Les Amis, he’s the only one left. I loved how mature Cosette was in this episode, taking care of both the injured Gavroche and providing the right support to Marius. The two of them really are a couple, and I love the realistic way in which they’re portrayed.

The thing is, though: there are five episodes left with this, and this episode alone would already have been enough to provide closure for this series. There’s still something that’s about to happen, but what? I can imagine how Thenardier is going to return for a final time, and it would be awesome if Javert, Thenardiére and Azelma got some more screen-time as well. I seriously have no idea what the creators have left in store for the final part of this series, but let’s hope that the animators will get themselves back together and finish this series off with a bang.

18 Responses

  1. angedemystere says:

    Don’t take this as a spoiler, since you’re quite certain of it anyway, but yes, Thenardier will definetely be making a significant reapearance.

    Can’t really say what will happen to Javert, Azelma & Madame T. now. In the book, Javert has obviously committed suicide, and I think it’s hinted that the Thenardiess died in prison. I don’t think the fate of Azelma is ever revealed. (Again, anyone who knows may check me, I’ve only skimmed through that part of the book.) Considering how much had been changed for the anime, though, there’s really no way of telling what will happen. Even as less popular characters, it’d be nice to have some closure for them, too. There’s five flipping episodes left, after all! Sheesh.

    I have to admit, though, that the Gavroche-and-company-living-with-Cosette-and-Valjean scenario is the Disney-esqe ending I feared the anime would come to. It’s not horrible, but certainly not what Hugo had in mind. He may not be turning in his grave, but he might be rolling his eyes. ^^,

  2. Irene says:

    I really hope Javert doesn’t make a comeback. I don’t think I’d be able to bear it. >.>

    I can kind of understand Cosette adopting the two momes, though – Victor Hugo never did say what happened to them, and no-one really knows why he failed to wrap up that storyline when he wrapped up all the others so neatly. I think I read an essay that proposed that he did so so that the reader would remember that there are still kids like them out on the streets, with no Gavroche to look after them, and that made sense to me.

    Anyway, I was definitely expecting that. xD; It is, like you said, ridiculously fluffy, but that storyline had to be wrapped up somehow.

    On a completely unrelated note, I think this may be the first adaptation ever that has included every single one of Les Amis, which is really pretty impressive – even the musical cut Bahorel! Nippon wins some points back from me for that. :D

    SPOILER ALERT FOR THE REST OF THE SERIES. MAYBE. WELL, SPOILER ALERT FOR THE BOOK, ANYWAY. xP

    Yeah, the Thenardiess dies in prison. Thenardier takes the money Marius gives him as a result of their little confrontation and goes to America, taking Azelma with him. But I’m willing to bet that that’s not going to happen in the anime, given their propensity for Happy Endings. :P

    END OF SPOILERS.

  3. angedemystere says:

    Are you sure Bahorel is in there? He’s the bald one in the book, right? I know Laigle/Bousset is there, which is down right confusing. Which one is he?

    I understand what you’re feeling, but it just doesn’t sit right with me to have Javert’s run to end right there. Perhaps it would seem more final to me if I actually SAW the episode and knew EXACTLY how it played out. I’m hoping to at least know what happens to him after he decides to let Valjean go, even if it’s just mentioned in conversation. Valjean should certainly find out what happened to him – he finds out in the book, for crying out loud! He should know Javert well enough to have difficulty believing that the inspector could let him go like that, after all those years.

    Okay, here’s a SPOILER question (note: SPOILER ALERT!):

    If Gavvy and the boys are adopted by Cosette & Valjean, what’s going to happen to them when Cosette and Marius get married? (To be honest, this shouldn’t be THAT much of a spoiler, I know, but just to be fair.) Perhaps Marius would not mind taking them into his home, but then again, I’m not really sure. Would Valjean take care of them by himself? And how exactly is the anime going to deal with Valjean’s fate?

    END OF SPOILER

    Still keeping my fingers crossed . . .

  4. Irene says:

    I’m certain – Marius mentions all of Les Amis by name in this episode, and there’s a brief clip of each one of them as he says their names. L’aigle/Lesgles/Bossuet is the one who’s bald in the book (so it kind of confuses me that he’s got a full head of hair and a beard in the anime); Bahorel’s the loud violent one in the book who has, like, no lines in the anime. xD But he’s there, which is the important thing!

    I do agree that the Javert thing needs to be wrapped up somehow. I really want him to resign, like you said last entry – maybe that could be in the paper in place of his obituary.

    RESPONSE TO THE SPOILER

    I’m thinking that Marius will happily accept them into his home. After all, it seems like he did promise Eponine he’d take care of Gavroche in the anime, too, so he won’t mind Gavroche, and I don’t think he’ll mind the two momes either. M. Gillenormand and Valjean have got quite a lot of cash between them, so it’s not like Marius and Cosette don’t have the money to care for all three boys.

    I hope they’ll keep things the way they should be in regards to Valjean. Maybe they’ll downplay Marius wanting Valjean to stay away, since that would make him unsympathetic. He’ll die at the end, though, I think – at peace and surrounded by Marius and Cosette and friends, etc., etc. At least, I think so.

    Then again, I thought they’d keep Javert’s suicide in, so what do I know? xD

    END SPOILERS

  5. angedemystere says:

    Oh my gosh, having Valjean pick up the paper and read the little section on Javert’s resignation, and act like, “What the hell?!” That would be SO AWESOME!

    I didn’t know that Marius promised to take care of Gavroche (although that would better explain why he freaked out so much when Gavroche got shot), so yeah, I guess that would work. In the book they didn’t know each other as well, so it would have been less likely. Then again, Cosette didn’t really know Gavroche either, and Gavroche would be dead anyways so . . . there you go. ^^,

  6. Tania says:

    I don’t want the Thenardiess to die in prison. I’d rather she’d been released so she could take care of Azelma, It seems like her father doesn’t care about her, not much anyway. And it seems like she just want to live with her daughters and maybe Gavroche so I want them to live happily too. It would be nice to see Gavroche and his two brothers( which means they belong to the Thenardier family)living together with their mother and Azelma. Cause the Thenardiess really seemed to have remorse for having foresaken Gavroche ( while she was in jail). I don’t know for the other two boys, she’d never mentioned them. And I wonder if somrone would inform them about Eponine’s death. They don’t even know about it!I think they would be in such a shock! Both of them really loved Eponine. Well I’ll stop here or I going to cry. I just can’t think about her death without crying! I loved her so much too!

  7. R says:

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    Her father cares enough about her to take her with him when he flees the country.

    Also, why would the younger boys care too much about the death of someone they probably didn’t see since they were babies?

  8. Tania says:

    Actually, I’ve never said the boys cared about her death. I said it about her mother and sister!!!! They loved her very much!
    I know very well that those two boys never knew their sisters,cause they’ve never met!

  9. Irene says:

    Eh, it is called Les Misérables for a reason. :P

  10. Tania says:

    Well, I know, I didn’t put it well. But I just mentioned the two boys to say they could go to live with their family later on. I didn’t mean they knew Eponine. But I’ve just read my comment again and I should have done it before mailing it cause it’s just “by the way” that I mentioned the two boys. And when I wrote ” And I wonder if someone would inform them about Eponine’s death. They don’t even know about it!I think they would be in such a shock! Both of them really loved Eponine.” It was adressed to Thenardiess and Azelma. I wrote this comment to talk about them. Well, do you really think that I didn’t realize Eponine and Azelma have never met those two boys?! After watching it again and again?

  11. angedemystere says:

    I watched the trailer again for the next episode. Oy, I’m not so excited about it. I mean, it’ll be nice to see everyone be all friendly and reconciled and blah blah blah it’s SO BORING. Then again, I’m not a big Marius & Cosette fan. I don’t hate them or anything, they’re just . . . not that interesting. Oh and I noticed that this episode has the same name as a previous episode (back when they first met, I think). So what it is really, “Cosette and Marius II”? I hope this week goes by quickly. The next one is called “My Mother,” which sounds more intriguing.

  12. R says:

    Yeah, but it also promises more Gillenormand, which makes me happy (he’s one of my favorite characters).

  13. Nela says:

    Hi does anyone know where i can watch the anime all the episodes please i can’t seem to find it anywhere.

  14. Nela says:

    I would really appreciate it Thanks

  15. FiFi says:

    HANG ON A MINUTE!!! (I’m sorry I haven’t actually seen the shoujo Cosette series yet but I am interested..) In the anime does Gavroche not die? (Sorry If no one knew he died outside of anime, by the way..)I’ll be quite sad If he doesn’t, since it is one of the most powerful scene ever) Will somebody please tell me? I must know! thanks!

  16. psgels psgels says:

    FiFi: yeah unfortunately two deaths have been omitted: Gavroche’s and Javert’s.

  17. FiFi says:

    Thanks, I needed closure for that. He’s my fave character. (Way better strret urchin than Oliver) But wait, Javerts too? That sucks! I guess if its for kids they don’t want the whole suicide thing huh… typical! Anyway, I’v e watched a few episoded now. but ive run out of them! Does anyone know where to get the rst with english subs?

  18. angedemystere says:

    Not all have been subbed, but you can find 8-18 through mega video.

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AidanAK47
Don't listen to Kaiser. The OVA is bad.
Kaiser Eoghan
....found out where a friend had been off to lately, making a movie and he ended up actually making and finishing and I got first dibs. Had a hard time commenting on it as I know the guy personally.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Totally with you on the academy thing.
@Lenlo: If you ever try jojo again and get onto part three go for the ova instead as it trims down an overly bloated arc.
Lenlo
For JoJos, I couldnt get through the first season. It just didnt hook me
Lenlo
What I dont understand is how anything other than Mob Psycho won best animation, cause my god.
Lenlo
I think Erased lost not because of the libido, but because Yuri was "gay" and "progressive" and most important of all, recent. Yuri had just finished airing so it was stuck in everyones heads. Of course it was going to win everything
AidanAK47
Erased truly deserved to win that category and it only lost because people voted with their libido instead of their head.
AidanAK47
If there's one thing that really makes me angry about these awards it's Yuri on Ice winning most heartwarming moment for "The Kiss". Because A) It wasn't a fucking kiss and B) Even if it was that isn't heartwarming. Oh I am sure something is getting warm but it sure as hell isn't your heart.
AidanAK47
Likely the main reason Kira didn't win main villain because Jojo has grown to a episode count which makes people hesitant to pick it up. Not to mention many would lose interest by Stardust crusaders midpoint.
AidanAK47
When it comes to judging quality you have to leave it to the people who have experienced enough of the medium to truly be able to critical judge it. Pretty darn sure most who voted didn't even bother watching everything worthwhile each season and just gravitated towards whatever they were exposed to.
AidanAK47
Lets not forget someone voting multiple times and bot voting. Because yes, people really do that. As you two pointed out, a public vote was never truly going to be a accurate gauge of quality. For you are not only opening the vote to anime lovers but also newbies and those who simply haven't refined their tastes yet.
SuperMario
so they either abstained their votes (which actually was reasonable); voted for something popular or even voted based on what their kids liked the most (which was flat out unforgivable).
SuperMario
This from my own frustration mostly when it comes to awards like this. But I've been following the Academy Awards for way too long now and every now and then you heard something that really disheartened about their voting process. Like for example many of the Academy members admitted that they don't care to watch anything animated because... it's kiddy stuff
SuperMario
TL;DR: my point is I have mixed feeling about the whole Crunchyroll awards. One more thing that I noticed about the nomination is that the pool was dominated by shows from the first half of last year.
Lenlo
I dont think public voting is the way to go is the thing. Popularity contests are horrible. With popularity contests moe is going to be near the top every time, while shows like Rakugo never really have a chance. And I think there is little doubt that Rakugo was one of the best shows last season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: there is an issue with the first thou, because reviewers like us don't actually represent the whole public opinions. So it's all come down to the very reason they create an award in a 1st place (your second point). But with voting we can't really reason why the winners win the trophy, right?
Lenlo
The problem with awards like that is for them to mean anything they need 2 things. 1) A board of voters who are actual reviewers who have watched a large portion of what was on shelf that season. 2) Reasons for why each thing won its award. An award without reasons means nothing
SuperMario
Other issue about voting for these awards is that the nominating body and the voting body aren't always the same. Usually the voting body is broader and more generic in taste, so I'm not at all surprised when shows like Rakugo couldn't win. Too art-house for their liking. Well, at least it got nominated which for me is good enough.
SuperMario
That's the thing. When it comes to awards, they are more 'popularity' contest than actual quality, since people tend to vote for the safer choice (the one that are both popular and mildly critical success), YOI fits the bill here.
Lenlo
Those awards were not the best and little more then a popularity contest imo.
SuperMario
Actually with that line-up I had no problems with YOI taking the top spot
SuperMario
I actually forgot about the Crunchyroll Anime Awards so I came to check the winner. Guess which show won AOTY huh? Alright, at least it wasn't Kabaneri or Jokers Game
Kaiser Eoghan
But the best one was Mask of Phantasm.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: And return of the joker also.
Kaiser Eoghan
It has aged admittedly very poorly, but I always got a great kick out of that old 1994 spiderman cartoon.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I think its fair to use the term K-anime or C-anime for the Korean and Chinese influenced stuff, or maybe just anime would be just as appropriate. If some Argentinian guy can write/draw a manga for a Japanese manga magazine (big comic superior thats the magazines name) and have it actually be called a manga, it should be the same for China/Korea.
Lenlo
Mhmm. Marvel had the movies, but DC had the animated series
AidanAK47
Man, I loved the villains of Batman Beyond. Inque and Shriek had such interesting powers. The DC animated shows tended to be the one that didn't treat you like a kid while watching.
Lenlo
Well, they released a trailer for Samurai Jack S5, so its coming. Batman Beyond I also enjoyed
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