Posted by psgels on 1 December 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews, Dennou Coil


Fans of the fifteenth episode of Rahxephon can rejoice: its director, Mitsuo Iso has embarked on a new project called Dennou Coil. Having done the animation for major Ghibli-movies such as Porco Rosso, Ocean Waves and Only Yesterday as well, this guy had the potential to create a masterpiece. Thankfully, he actually pulled it off, and many consider this series as one of the best of the entire year.

The thing that’ll probably immediately catch your attention when you start to watch this series is the immense amount of creativity that’s put into the series. It takes place in about twenty years, where a cyber-world exists that people can only see if they’re wearing special glasses already is something you don’t think of quite easily, but Mitsuo Iso created a world that consists out of much, much more than just that. The first half of the series carefully builds this up, and makes sure that the viewer has been accustomed to the many sides of the setting, only for this series to really get fired off with the second half, and the final quarter of the series has some incredibly emotionally charged climaxes.

To make this even better, Dennou Coil has amazing production-values, second to only Seirei no Moribito. What you usually see with series is how their first few episodes have amazing animation, only to switch to a lazier animation-style after a few episodes, but Dennou Coil is different. The animation is of a consistent high quality, and there are no signs of outsourcing at all. The character-designs may look simple, but the animation and integration with CG make them look beautiful.

The characters may not be among the best points of this series, but they do work effectively when they have to, due to the careful building-up of the storyline. One point of critique would be that most of the side-characters could have gotten more development. Daiichi, Denpa, Fumie and Kyoko are wonderful characters, but if feels like they weren’t used to their full potential, and their roles became smaller and smaller as the series went on.

One thing that irked me, but will probably have little effect to those who plan to marathon the series is the overabundance of recap-episodes. In total, there’ve been three of them for a 28-episode series. The final episode could also have been a bit less rushed. Finally, there are three episodes in the middle of the series (11, 12 and 13), which I guess were meant to flesh out the world of Dennou Coil a bit, and they’re excellent standalone episodes, but they really feel out of place with the rest of the series, and only throw in more potential that unfortunately had to be ignored in the end.

Apart from this, though, we’ve got ourselves a masterpiece here. It’s one of the highlights of the year, and apart from Kaze no Shoujo Emily, it’s the most consistently good series of 2007 for me. It’s anime like these that show that even stories focused at children can be awesome nonetheless.

27 Responses

  1. hssc says:

    someone should start a live version of this in IMAX production values – imagine what the codes will look like under WETA workshop!

  2. w says:

    Actually the recap episodes have absolutely no bearing if you’re just watching it as a series, only if you were watching it as it aired the first time. (They’re re-airing it on NHK like next week or the week after IIRC)

    I doubt they’d even appear on the DVDs, apart from episode 14… That would really make it one half-recap out of the entire series. I don’t see what’s so wrong with that especially since it’s, um, supposed to be a children’s anime so sometimes they could do with a summing up of what has happened…

  3. totoum says:

    yeah psgels,the 2 recaps apart from 14 weren’t even made by the anime creators,so it wasn’t their decision,it is a 26 episode series not 28,so i don’t think it’d be fair to take those into consideration when rating the series (if you did).
    I’ll give you 12 and 13 but there were some revelations in episode 11 concerning megabaa and tamako,it sets up bigger revelations that come in episode 20.
    Thanks a lot for blogging this anime,first thing i do after watching an episode is come here to read your thoughts.
    What are the odds of it getting licenced so I can get it on DVD?Maybe the fact it’s getting a rerun is a good sign?

  4. psgels psgels says:

    True, the recap-episodes will not matter for those who plan to marathon this series. My mistake.

    Oh, and don’t worry. With a series that’s so well received as this one, it’s nearly impossible for it not to get lisenced.

  5. w says:

    Well apparently most kids’ shows on NHK get reruns so it’s not really a huge deal that Dennou Coil is getting one, but whether it follows the next pattern of getting a sequel of some sorts remains to be seen. I don’t know that much about NHK’s programming but it seems like most kid’s anime on NHK-E gets a second season after a rerun. (Major, airing just before Dennou Coil, is having a 4th season produced; Coil’s predecessor Tsubasa Chronicles got 2 seasons. Older stuff like Corrector Yui and YAT Anshin! Uchuu Ryokou got 2 seasons, CCS got 3. Although UPS had no sequels it was 52 eps long… though Kaze no Shoujo Emily was 26)

    I somehow doubt Coil will get a sequel and if they’d make anything I’d rather it be a one-off OVA or a short movie than a series. With Haraken in his uniform, please.

    It’d be a crying shame if this doesn’t get licensed though – I would in fact really wish it got shown on TV outside Japan as well…

  6. totoum says:

    ok,thanks for the info w
    licencing in france seems to take a bit longer than in the US,i don’t know how it works in the netherlands but ounce it’s licensed,anime becomes easely accessible,lots of TV stations show anime and there’s a few anime DVD shops in paris.

  7. psgels psgels says:

    Oh, I wish we could be so lucky in the Netherlands. Basically, the only stuff that really makes it on TV consists of the garbage-series aimed at really young ages. Think Bedaman.

  8. Kim says:

    Oh, and don’t worry. With a series that’s so well received as this one, it’s nearly impossible for it not to get lisenced.

    I wish you were right but I can think of well received series that did not get licensed. What about Monster? Not only was that well received it was extremely popular.

    In today’s anime market I would say Dennou Coil’s chances of getting licensed are not the best. It’s an amazing series but it is not the type of series that will sell well. Of course I’d buy it for sure but will your average anime fans buy the series? I think it is doubtful. Although in this case I would be really happy to be wrong.

  9. totoum says:

    uh,wait,you’re telling me monster never got licenced in the US?wow,not only has it been licenced in france,it’s been aired on TV.
    I didn’t realise how lucky I am lol.
    I think dennou coil has a little something for everyone ,comedy ,drama, action,mystery,i guess the “kiddyish” athmosphere can be a drawback to some.
    The only people I know who wouldn’t watch dennou coil would be people who need fanservice in an anime to watch it,sadly,that’s quite a few people.

  10. omo says:

    Monster TV did not get licensed, but odds are that’s because of financial reasons, and it may reflect how well the manga has been doing in the US. Either way people can just buy the Odex release for an English version of the thing.

    Personally I think Denno Coil isn’t really great primarily because, well, there just wasn’t really that much drama. Also, unlike more popular franchises the characters for kids, Denno Coil’s main characters never really interests me or even made me want to care about them. With exception to Densuke, maybe.

    But it is definitely very creative and well-produced piece of work. I think it is an easy anime to recommend to people who aren’t watching anime because they want to see something different than the mainstream stuff.

  11. omo says:

    “Also, unlike more popular franchises for kids, Denno Coil’s main characters never really interests me or even made me want to care about them.”

  12. totoum says:

    “there just wasn’t really that much drama. Also, unlike more popular franchises the characters for kids, Denno Coil’s main characters never really interests me or even made me want to care about them. ”

    i guess to each his own,i’m at episode 22,not only do i think i’m in the middle of a bunch of drama,i even shed a tear in episode 20.Isako is a great character for me,i’ve gone from hating her guts to wanting to give her a hug.
    Dennou coil has also great rewatch value to me,because lots of little clues are droped in the first fiew episodes,it’s fun to hunt those clues down.
    And i think that not only is dennou coil different from a lot of mainstream stuff,it’s different from a lot of anime too,so i don’t see why it’d be only something good for people who aren’t into anime.
    Oh well,i’ll have to get used to the fact no everyone has to like a show as much as i do.

  13. Dk86 says:

    Nice Review.
    Still, I don’t like this anime at all.^^

  14. KaminaLives says:

    A really great series, all in all, with just the right mix of humor, slice-of-life, emotion, and bad-assery (Isako, well, before she got all emo on us, heh).

    I also think a major theme of Dennou Coil was that of friendship and loyalty. Where Yasako failed to stick up for her former friend Mayumi in the face of being bullied with Michiko rumors, she more than makes up for it and redeems herself by going all out and even risking her own life to save Isako.

    So there is some bit of redemption for Yasako there, and Isako finally learns to open up and accept kindness and, daresay, friendship, instead of shutting herself off from people.

    And I wholeheartedly believe that saying good-bye to lost loved ones is a powerful theme too. So Michiko was born out of Isako’s grief over the loss of her brother and jealousy over what she perceived to be Yasako “stealing” her brother from her, and partly out of Yasako’s “first love” (she does steal her first kiss off of “Imago” Nobuhiko, though I’m not totally convinced of the importance of this personally but the Japanese tend to make a big deal over one’s first kiss, at least in anime), and shows the self-destruction of obsessing over what you’ve lost. Learning to let go of your grief and living your life is the lesson, to be sure.

    Anyhoo, some really deep themes (handled much better than some other series of similar themes, such as Noein, though still a good one I liked) and an excellent end to what most would consider a kid’s show, heh.

  15. Kasumi says:

    The series is great, excellent even, but I thought the last few episodes were honestly pretty weak. Most of the characters were totally out of the picture, and it spent too much time on last minute exposition. Plus, the emotional scenes just seemed a bit contrived. I think that the world and overall “feel” of the show were what really shone for me, rather than the characters as individuals. Still, I would give it a 9/10.

  16. Sorudam says:

    I make a comment here for the first time, but enjoyed reading this blog every week.
    Thank you for psgals.

    I too think that the major themes of this series is “saying goodbye to the deceased”, and think there is another theme “the pain of life and growing up”.
    In Epi.26,Yasako and Isako said “The direction which I feel the pain shows me the exit”.
    Nobody seems to yet say about but I make much of. How about an opinion of you guys?

  17. tg says:

    Thank you for blogging this great show! ^_^ I lost tracked and need to catch up with all the episodes during winter break. I’m glad to hear that it is getting a rerun!!

  18. totoum says:

    “The direction which I feel the pain shows me the exit”

    i interpret that with something someone told me when i was trying to get over the death of my mom.
    Trying to hide from the pain and forget about it won’t get you anywhere,you need to accept it and confront it,it’s hard but you will never get over the pain if you try to run away from it.

  19. Sorudam says:

    Thank you for your opinion totoum.
    I guess it expresses one of the themes of this story well.

  20. nahrub says:

    nothing much to say. great show, great show. ignore the comments that said otherwise.

  21. Solaris says:

    Great show indeed, but i don’t agree it’s a kid show. It seems to be a show about kids. Apart from the difficult concepts featured in the anime, that are all computer-based, there are some deep themes in here. Say the friendship or loyalty ie. These are the most recognizable, but there iss much more. There’s the theme of the death, the reality vs irreality or virtual. Nobody seemed to point out this:
    What is real in a world where real and virtual are joined? Densuke is dead, but this dog was ever alive? It was a computer game, but Yasako and Kyoko felt real attachment to it. So it was definitevley something real, thus not having a body.
    And what about those who died or shifted to the other side?
    Say the dead were imprisoned in the Coil Space lik Kanna was. So living thing coming out from a virtual space in the form of Illegals and dead people ending there. Again the virtual reality and the reality are being mixed!
    Now tell me this is something a kid can understand!

  22. psgels psgels says:

    Solaris: the interesting thing is that Dennou Coil was aired at the NHK-channel, at the time-block that’s actually aimed at children. This was also noticable during the recaps. Everything was carefully explained so that the children would remain to follow the story a bit. The deeper parts of this series will indeed be lost on them, but I think that they too will get plenty of enjoyment out of this series.

  23. gekophetweb says:

    It’s not that dead people ended in the coil domain, but rather the feelings of people created the image of them in the coil domain(the illigals/nulls). Just like michiko was created by Yasako and Isako. Or at least that was said at the end by Yasako and Haraken.

    about “the direction of the pain will show me the exit”, I think it is not like “the pain of life and growing up” it is more like life comes with pain, but because we caan feel pain we can also feel happiness and sadness, we just have to endure it. We can’t hang on to the deceased because it will be to painfull and the pain will eventually become excrutiating(or however you may spell it) just like Isako and the loss of her brother consumed her (at least that is what i think).

  24. marktheknife says:

    I just finished this series. It was an amazing ride. Even if it was a kid’s show, it rarely pandered to kids (like a good Pixar flick).

    Even more interestingly, the overall theme was really dark. It makes me think of a mildly toned-down version of the Buddhist maxim “Life is suffering.” Pain is a central element of this anime – to live correctly is to confront pain and move towards more of it. That is where the “answers” are said to lie. Dying young seems to be the result of young characters trying to avoid the pain necessary to “grow up”/move forward in life. This is most notably represented in characters failing to “let go” with regards to dead family/friends – I’d say the anime’s language is intended to be taken more broadly, though.

    The anime explores this from other angles too – the entire point of the virtual reality aspect of the anime (besides awesome entertainment) seems to be to pose the question “What is real?” And the anime rejects the easy answer – what you can sense in every way, including touch – to instead say that only PAIN is real. It is the basis of comparison for knowing everything else in life. It’s the idea you can only know what is good by knowing what is bad, but with an attempt to combine it with the idea of sensory inputs.

    The series also confronts how to correctly deal with pain – sharing it with others is repeatedly shown to be the way to go. In fact, it’s the only basis for friendship the show seems to definitively support besides romantic love and familial love – the other relationships break way too easily. As Isako says, the connections between people are narrow and distant – sharing pain is often the reinforcement to these connections. And her dialog with Yasako that closes out the series is to say: We’re only together as long as we’re suffering together – we’re not suffering together now, so we’re separated. I hope we get to do so again though!
    ————–
    It’s an interesting notion – I remember a rabbi coming to my (Catholic) school and talking to us about the term “passion.” It was part of our sex ed classes (oddly enough). He noted “passion” came from a Latin/Greek term for pain, and noted that, in his experience, it was the couples that shared their suffering that had a true, unbreakable bond. Relationships based on good times, sex, etc., broke easily.

    To me, it’s a particularly good example of how pain defines everything that is good and “real”/important in our lives. To avoid pain is to similarly avoid engaging yourself in really living.
    ———–
    The show presents some reasons one might wrongly choose to flee from pain. The losing-someone-you-love-to-someone-else idea is central to the anime, and is unfortunately not explored in great depth.

    At any rate, I love this anime, and my only complaints are: that there wasn’t another episode to smooth out the ending, and that there weren’t enough musical tracks/good musical tracks.

    • vostok says:

      Really enjoyed this comment… somehow Dennoucoil encourages this level of reflection, right? It’s one of my absolute favorite TV anime. But one can easily miss the best stuff about it when watching passively; this show becomes increasingly rewarding on rewatches and closer inspection. Pixar was a good analogy; you can watch Dennoucoil at “kid level” as a weird and fun adventure story, but you can also watch it at “adult level” and appreciate the ways in which it’s Iso Mitsuo’s labor of love.

  25. marktheknife says:

    I should also reinforce that this series had killer art direction and some awesome animation.

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Lenlo
Have to say, Flip Flappers ep 5 was pretty good. I love atmospheric settings like that.
Lenlo
Looks like an Epee. The large bell guard, the fact that they are focusing on thrusting attacks instead of slashing (mostly). Fencing is alot of fun. Be prepared for some bruises though, as some people put their full body weight behind their thrusts.
SuperMario
I have one last dumb question, Can you tell what types of blade of Juri in Utena? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGsVSSUv_i0
SuperMario
@Lenlo: the more you described the more I found fencing interesting. I might take a look around my town to see if we have Fencing here (the curse of living in a small town).
Lenlo
Blades are slightly different, yes, but mostly just in their guard and how much they bend. Sabers bend easily, Epee's not so much. Surprisingly Epee is the slowest, because people tend to be more careful. Saber is actually the most aggressive of the blades, atleast at my skill level
AidanAK47
That's all they had to do. Just stay inside and let it pass. But for some weird reason they just keep panicking over nothing.
As far as time/alternate world stuff goes this was ridiculously underwhelming. Just finished another movie called triangle and now that's how you do Time travel mindfuckery.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I am not fond of movies where people make stupid decisions for no good reason. For example:
"We should just stay inside"
"No, staying inside isn't realistic"
WHY IN THE HOLY HELL ISN'T IT REALISTIC.
SuperMario
Showed that movie to a bunch of friends last year and I remembered one of the girl just shut off the movie after 15'
SuperMario
@Aidan: too bad. I found Cohenrent really funny and entertaining. Some of their twists are stupid but I was actually invested in much of their characters. Maybe because I always love movies about a bunch of characters in an isolated setting
SuperMario
@Lenlo: sounds like Epee is the most "all-out-attack" and aggressive one. Their blades are different as well I assume?
AidanAK47
Just watched a movie called coherence and man, what a bunch a pseudo-intellectual garbage that was.
Lenlo
For Right of Way, its basically Person A attacks, Person B parries, Person A hits, Person B hits, Person B gets the point because they took right of way with the parry. Saber and Foil both have that, but Epee does not. Epee is simply "Whoever hits the opponent first, doesnt matter where, whole body is target area"
Lenlo
Theres Saber, Foil and Epee. The main difference is this thing called right of way, but there are other smaller ones like how Saber can hit with the edge and Epee is allowed to hit the entire body, instead of just the chest like Foil
SuperMario
For news, Blood Blockade Battlefront getting second season next year. As it was one of my favorite last year I'm really lokking forward to this second season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: that sounds great. From what I know from fencing there are 3 different types of blade right? So what are the differences between them? (Fencing 101 here)
Kaiser Eoghan
Although a fantasy sports thing could also generate interest, such as combining sports together to create something totally new.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, Fencing was great. Favorite sport ever and it helped me stay in shape in College. I find Epee to be the best blade, mostly cause I fenced it, but its a very intense 3 minutes. Unlike sports like Soccer and such which is alot of sustained running, Fencing is 3 minutes of Dont-Stop-Moving then wait till next match. Gets really fun once you figure out your own style.
SuperMario
haha, I wouldn't mind either if each episode focus on a single sport/ character/ country. Or even the positive aspects like role models, sports inspirations and stuffs
Lenlo
That Olympic anime sounds great.
Kaiser Eoghan
And it would be a good excuse to have characters of multiple backgrounds included too.
Kaiser Eoghan
Could be an 13 episode ova series with 48 minute episodes, and if its to be an ensemble character drama you could have 10 minutes to a each character (the ones being focused on in that episode) in each episode.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah yes, aswell as cheating it could also get into "stage parenting", "abuse", "Disabilities" and also the general politics of sports, the backroom stuff.
SuperMario
I'll be the first in line if that olympic anime ever come out. Could be interesting to see the interactions between athletes in different sports, and then fans/athletes/coaches relationship, then the gold rush, doping... So much to talk around to
Kaiser Eoghan
I don't think theres ever been a manga about hurling either. Hey heres an idea, someone do an ensemble drama anime that deals with the olympics, fit in multiple sports that way.
SuperMario
Personally I find Australian football much more exciting than rugby. Or crickets.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: ha! Interesting that you mentioned Gaelic football, because in Aus we have AFL (Australian Football League), that really similars to Gealic Football to the point sometimes we have the 2 national teams compete each other with modified rules
Kaiser Eoghan
Hmm, lets see, sport under-represented in anime? Fencing, golf , Gaelic football, bowling, boat racing.
SuperMario
Hey, fencing is actually really cool. How did you like it Lenlo?
SuperMario
You have your point there Topgavin, as I clearly remember many instances where players' legs, backs or even necks got snapped during rugby's tackles. But in regards to Rugby I never really care about it. That and car racing
Lenlo
Its mostly the type of injuries you get that differ I think. Football you get concussions and broken bones and such, while in Rugby you probably get alot of bruises and cuts. Granted I have played neither, I was a Soccer man in highschool and fencing in College
Lenlo
American football has alot of rules, and really is just a bunch of millionaires running around chasing a ball. Rugby however, as Topgavin said, has no pads so when you get hit you get hit HARD
AidanAK47
I never ceases to surprise me just how high and mighty visual novel fans can be over Mosaics present in localized games. I mean they are literally complaining about not seeing genitalia yet the way they phrase it, it's like they are fighting against great injustice. If these VNs were Nukige they might have a point but in most cases the sex scenes in question are pointless and shoehorned in.
Topgavin
@Mario Rugby is more extreme *because* it has no protective gear. No hiding behind helmets and cushioned shoulder pads when ya get bowled over.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I'm no expert but isn't American football a variation of Rugby? And I believe american football is more extreme, considering they have to wear helmets, protection gears and all that
Lenlo
I dont think theres alot of manga about it because its simply not that popular outside the US. As far as it being a battlefield, eeeeh? Not really? You want a battlefield watch Rugby.
SuperMario
I can think of other cool sports that could be interesting to see in anime: Kick Volleyball (Sepak takraw), Bossaball (combined soccer, volleyball in a trampoline), or in the same vein of skate figures this season, why not pole dancing competition???
Anonymous504493
What other sport is cool and popular that remains original to write about by now? There isn't a lot of manga about it compared to anything else.
Anonymous504493
American football looks like a battlefield with a visible battleline and everything. Id like it if there wasnt so many darn commercials.
Lenlo
I mean, its a sport. Far cry from best, but its definitely a sport.
SuperMario
@Vonter: or maybe because american football IS the best sports ever?
Kaiser Eoghan
@Vonter: Most likely due to the middle section of the original anime being the most popular bit.
Vonter
Can someone explain me how Cobra, is apparently getting an anime around some sort of space american football? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kNWPr43zE
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not safe enough a film for me to properly recommend. Even to exploitation fans, they might find it too slow others would be too sensitive to it. Really una vita violenca, mamma roma, accatone, hawks and sparrows are what Pasolini is really about.
SuperMario
Now that you watched Salo, would you recommend the film to other people? I personally think it's a masterpiece but it's one of the title that I think people would break up with me if I show them this movie
SuperMario
@Kaiser: even him as a director, both Braveheart and Apocalypto don't do much to me, will see if Hacksaw Ridge going to change my mind (but I'm not to fond with war movies in general). La Notte is in my sooon-to-watch list for years, haha
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Mel Gibson as a director, not as an actor =)
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Thats why I prefer the neo-realist/quasi-neo-realism stuff as it deals with the worse off in society. But Antonioni was the master of being able to do films about angsty well-off people, L'aventura, the passenger and La notte for example
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not so much that I dislike post 50s fellini moreso I feel that his throw everything at the screen and hope what sticks method can be hit or miss.
SuperMario
While I don't really mind his later stuffs because he was masterclass, I have a pretty hard time for Paolo Sorrentino's later works. The thing is I don't care much about the high class society so everything is just ridiculously over the top and glamour and I'm tired of it.
SuperMario
I haven't watched nights of cabiria but I did watch La Strada and boy, I was sad for few days after watching it. Fellini mentioned that he was inspired to make this movie when seeing a woman pushing a cart from behind. The film really carry that sense throughout its running
SuperMario
Michael Haneke put Salo in his top 10 films. Quite understandable when you think about it. Still for me one of the movie that affected me deeply.
SuperMario
I really admire Elle for its ability to maintain its sharpness because under other inexperienced directors it could easily becomes a mess. Mel Gibson, really? He's one of the few actors that I absolutely dislike
SuperMario
@Kaiser: The Red Turtle remains one of the the most refreshing time I had this year in cinema, but then again I haven't watched much films lately. Agree with you on Sonia's performance, and I still think they could cut out the first 20' of the film because it feels out of place compare to the rest of the film
Kaiser Eoghan
Debating whether to bother catching up on I am a hero or watching the film adaptation. I haven't read it since they got rid of that one female character.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I've a feeling you'll like nights of cabiria, Fellini was cranking out some solidly effective social-realist dramas in the 50s before he fell into self-indulgence.
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I have that sound euphonium compilation film downloaded, I should get to that sometime.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also finally watched Salo, I ended up meeting it pretty much halfway. Some parts still retain the ability to effect a modern viewer, having seen his other works though its crazy just how different Salo is to them.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Seeing I, daniel Blake tomorrow and rogue one in a few weeks.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I hope Mel Gibson and Isabelle huppert win at the next oscars.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I liked the red turtle for its visual style of storytelling and animation even if I didn't get as emotionally attached to it as others did. I also watched Aquarius nd was pretty much blown away by Sonia Braga's performance. Elle is now one of my favourite Verhoeven films and its a miracle he managed to maintain such a great balance successfully throughout the film.
SuperMario
I don't care for the sequel of Code Geass at all. Why Spice & Wolf still hasn't got season 3 though is what really bugged me. From what I know their manga and LNs are selling very well
Anonymous494677
I wonder why that is...
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, they were always milking code geass though what with those bajillion-million-billion manga spinoffs.
Kaiser Eoghan
Still say I was more fond of the character chemistry in spice and wolf as opposed to everything else.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'll likely pass on the code geass sequel, the memory I have of it has already led to its appeal dimishing for me, I don't want to ruin things further watching an un-neccesary followup. Still avoiding utawerumono's second season for same reasons.
AidanAK47
After all there are things which need sequels and things which don't. And Code Geass never needed a sequel after R2's ending. Giving something a sequel can just ruin the conculsion of the orignal series. Case in point. Eureka Seven Ao. Remember that? Cause you shouldn't. Because it was terrible.
AidanAK47
Honestly I would have preferred Spice and Wolf Season 3.
AidanAK47
So...is anyone gonna mention that Code Geass is getting a sequel?
....Because Code Geass is getting a sequel.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am watching it as well. But I am a bit behind because I am watching the funimation broadcast dub. It's a very good guilty pleasure. I don't find it quite as funny anymore but it's still pure dumb fun.
SuperMario
@Anon487524: I'm still following it and it still remains a fun show to watch. I love the way they do the fan-servicey completely straight.
Topgavin
@anon I'll admit to watching it. While it is very simple and follows the sport anime formula religiously, it's still a blast to watch every week. This is also helped because you have no expectations for it before watching other than "oh god what's gonna happen this week".
Anonymous487524
Granted, nothing special, just one of those anime whose only worth is being fun to watch without being deep, but Keijo really is fun to watch, easily the best guilty pleasure anime in a long while to me.
Anonymous487524
I started watching it expecting an crappy fanservice anime with nothing of worth, but it ended up being actually pretty fun and awesome to watch.
Anonymous487524
Anyone here seeing Keijo?
SuperMario
What's up with 3-gatsu no Lion? Delayed for a week huh?
Kaiser Eoghan
Checked out Hedeki anno's godzilla re-boot earlier out of curiousity, its a bit plodding/dull at times but sometimes its high camp value played straight is kind of funny, having godzilla evolve during the film was a cool touch and I enjoyed every scene with him and making a Godzilla film today is still very relevant. Not a patch on the old ones though.
Anonymous482380
I think that movie was just so terrible that people made it into a meme. Stuff like "The Entire Bee Movie Except Evey Time They Say 'Bee' The Movie Speeds Up"
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm sorry lmao I had to, it seemed so appropriate a moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
AidanAK47
Fun Fact: The whole Bees shouldn't be able to fly thing is a myth.
Badesh
I think that was just a dry realization...
AidanAK47
@Topgavin, It's a meme to post the entire script of the bee movie in random places?
....I don't get the joke.
Topgavin
For anyone wondering, I think anon just copy/pasted the entire script for the Bee movie. Memes are goin strong
Anonymous479946
According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.


Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.


Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.


Barry! Breakfast i
Kaiser Eoghan
Actually I think it was up to about episode ten or so I saw.
Kaiser Eoghan
From what I can recall I watched legend of the galactic heroes somewhere past the part with the Caligula guy.
AidanAK47
That is one thing I wonder about the remake. How are they going to make the space battles interesting? Cause for me theres only so many times you can watch tin boxes shoot lasers and explode.
AidanAK47
I didn't like LOGH until the third episode. That's when it started to catch my attention. It also helps that I have a interest in history as the plot of LOGH practically reads like genuine history.
AidanAK47
In my case the overhype didn't kill it for me as I generally try to avoid that. When I walked into LOGH I was under the impression that it would ahve merit but not be for me. After all I heard it was mostly politics and the politics of Gundam bore me to tears. Funny enough the opposite happened. The space battles bored me but the politics got me really interested.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, The problem is that the people who say that something is the best thing they ever seen don't actually mean it. Often it's just hyperbole. When talking we other people fans tend to blow certain things out of proportion unintentionally. Overrated is likely the wrong word but you get what I mean.
leahcimali
@AidankAK47 oh and are you going to write a review about it or because psngel already wrote a review of it you are not gonna write it ?
leahcimali
the problem is trying to rank art . Even comparing a comedy show and a story focus show is clearly impossible. @AidanAK47 do you think the overhype of some hardcore logh fan killed you enjoyment of the show ? Because sometimes when you expect nothing of something you can enjoy it more than when waiting for something incredible.
leahcimali
i hear the same thing from fan of lord of the ring, star wars and game of thrones, star trek ... etc. The hardcore fan of those says that they are the greatest things in history ... but saying there are overated is discrediting the quality of those. Nothing is perfect and again maintening equal quality in a longuer running show is impossible. But having a longer story create a more rich background
LookingForKeys
@Mario Kimi no Na ha is pretty damn good. Watched it while in Japan a couple weeks back. The story has well done surprises, and on the graphics side you can *really* see Production IG worked on it.
leahcimali
I don't think saying logh is overated is a good way to say it. All media with great aclaimed critics or even highly popular show suffer from the fan reaction. If fan claim that it is the best things that they have ever saw and you don't agree, it feels overated. But this is only pure subjectivity. Saying he is greastest thing in history is a way for fan to exprim there love
AidanAK47
However it has been placed on a unreasonable pedestal that nothing could live up to. Eva is sort of in the same boat. So yes it is overrated but that does not mean it isn't great.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, if anything is claimed to be the greatest thing in the history of mankind it is overrated. The basic idea that there is a single anime out there which is fundamental and universally better than all other anime regardless of genre or intent is inherently a flawed concept. I do certainly see why LOGH is so highly acclaimed and I believe it is well worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I didn't look into the details of the new LOGH remake. I was planning on doing that when I am doing an anime season preview for it whenever it's going to air next year. For a long anime it does rate highly but even then I am not certain it really needed all 110 of those episodes.
leahcimali
about your comment are you thinking the LOGH anime is overated ? i ask Because you said that there is plenty of anime you consided better .
Anonymous476875
about the remake won't it be a straight adaptation from the manga remake by the artist that made shiki ?
Anonymous476875
AidanAK47 personally i really loved legend of the galactic heroes and it is one of the anime that make one of the biggest impact on me. I found it the best "long" anime that i ever seen (more than 24 ep). But comparing it to anime with shorter format is a bit hard. you can make something that have perfect pacing in 1h30 but it is impossible with a 110 ep anime.
AidanAK47
Either way I am pretty certain that all other isn't crap to me now seeing as I have seen the so called pinnacle. In fact There are plenty of anime I consider better that LOGH.
AidanAK47
There are aspects of its story which wouldn't really work by today's standards.
AidanAK47
And I did it. I watched legend of the galactic heroes. I have slain the white whale of anime. It certainly was interesting to say the least but I think the remake coming is going to have trouble. I am in between giving it a 8 or a 9 but it's clear that LOGH is very much a product of its time.
Kaiser Eoghan
I didn't really care for this weeks flipflappers, the fanservice and also it was even more trigger than I could take.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Gavin@Mario: I'll get round to your name someday but I think this might be my last chance with shinkai.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: That disgaea review made me nostalgic because I remember my friends and I playing it back when it first came out. We found it difficult but were amused by it/liked the characters.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Are the manga posts exclusively for series with only a few chapters translated or series that came out in the past year or so? I've been reading gunka no balthazar and enjoying it enough and think it should get recommendation out there.
Topgavin
Just booked tickets to go see it on Sunday with my little sister. Was surprisingly reluctant but I know she'll like it, I've already seen it but pumped either way.
SuperMario
Your name movie has been showed theatrically here in Aus, I'm planning to rewatch it soon in theatre and then do a review on it. Is that alright with other admins?
SuperMario
so I guess the top 6 will advance to the final are: Otabek Altin (Kazakhstan), Giacometti (Switzerland), Yuri, Yurio, JJ and Phichit? Will be very cool final event haha
SuperMario
At the very least Yuri on Ice shows me how entertaining ice skating can be
SuperMario
@K-Off: have a good trip ahead K-Off. Well, it's still better than Japan (earthquake) I guess
K-Off
Well, heading to Korea tomorrow. What a time to go. In the middle of Korea's biggest financial scandal since the 80s.
Lenlo
Is it just me, or does the Yuri on Ice opening get more colorful and detailed every week?
SuperMario
Badesh, if you like to check out their other songs, give "Tunnels of Love" and "Romeo & Juliet" a listen. Though I just discovered Telegraph Road quite recently, those 2 songs are qmong my all time favorite
SuperMario
I prefer their ealier version when the band was still together (aLCHEMY 1983), but that Rome 2005 was magnificent too. Seriously with this band diifferent live versions feel like another experience... And that song is criminally under-heard in radio too, because of its running time. A crying shame
Badesh
uhh, found it in better quality. now, THAT is a fitting present for my dad :)
Badesh
well that commentator, that sounds like he's in a soccer match, will get on my nerves though...
Badesh
if you're talking about the rome 2005 version... hell, that's some sweet music. i'll inhale that for the rest of the evening, thanks for that
SuperMario
Anyone here listen to Dire Straits? I just in the mood for their music lately. Checked out the band playing Telegraph Road live the other day on youtube and I was completely stunned.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I considered Flip Flappers 3,5,6 to be its best so far so continue on to see if Flip Flappers is your cup of tea or not
SuperMario
For me I have a lot of stuffs to catch up on this time a year, both in terms of anime and in my RL. Time goes fast as hell
Lenlo
Started watching Flip Flappers. Thought I had it figured out, then we got Mad Max going on. I may start liking it more, cause the first 2 eps didnt do much
Lenlo
Its also nearing Thanksgiving in the states and end of semester for University, so those sorts will be busier than usual.
AidanAK47
You are far too young to be reminiscing. You can build a place for a community but you can't force one to come. I for one would think it would be easier to form one if people stopped using the Anon tag. You can change your name with the customize button you know.
Anonymous469664
I remember a time when people other than site admins were regular posters. Those were the days...
AidanAK47
But I suppose watching Westworld isn't exactly a waste of time.
AidanAK47
Downside is that I really don't have a lot of time these days. It's rather annoying. The day goes by and it doesn't really feel like you did anything.
AidanAK47
On the upside, I am nearly finished Legend of the galactic heroes. So when the Remake airs next year I will have a lot to say about it.
AidanAK47
Personally I have been rather busy lately and wanted to finish off a few things. Hence why my posts have been getting later.
AidanAK47
Anyway when there's nothing on the chat box to talk about then of course it dries up.
AidanAK47
You have unfortunate timing.
Anonymous469664
All the chat regulars have left house as well.
Anonymous469664
Four days since a single post.
K-Off
Damn, I don't know if it's the layout/algorithm/mods, but so many subreddits that I used to frequent have gotten watered down as hell. Between the influx of shills and changes to the upvote/downvote system (which doesn't properly convey controversial comments anymore, like 45 upvotes to 47 downvotes. Now it shows only a -2) it's hard to find reasonable debates or find important info
SuperMario
@K-off: and for that book the last time I checked it was $110 for you guys who live US plus free shipping. For us it's $150 not incluing the postage and few weeks delivery.
K-Off
Damn, I didn't realize that it could be that bad elsewhere. The worst experience I had was when I ordered a laser pointer from Switzerland over a forum, and the cunt didn't respond for nearly 4 weeks until I threatened to refund my $250 on PayPal.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Europe. That's the difference.
SuperMario
@Aidan: yeah I got a dispatch notice saying it's shipping now. I ordered it back in September as well so I don't know why the difference between us.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the days where I used to be relying on waiting for anime dvds to come out locally , looking back they were really overpriced, 35 euro for 4 or 5 episodes.
Kaiser Eoghan
My opinion on FMA alchemist ended up being all over the place because I must have watched 3 episodes every few months of it, then I stopped watching it for a year, got back into it for a few months, abandoned it for months then marathoned 20 episodes in one night to get it finished.
Kaiser Eoghan
See I've been thinking over FMA lately, if you join up the best episodes of brotherhood and the first adaptation you get the perfect show.
Kaiser Eoghan
And yet it would make sense to rewatch it. 2005/2006 were the days where I'd never marathon anything. I've seen the whole show obviously but with massive gaps in between.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, HEATHEN. Though I haven't seen the original fullmetal Alchemist in years. Watched it way back when I started anime. Would be good to pay it a revisit with this.
AidanAK47
@Mario, you actually got a dispatch notice? Cause mine is still waiting and I ordered back in September. Says it's going to dispatch next week but I have heard horror stories about peoples orders getting canceled due to lack of stock.
Kaiser Eoghan
And there I am, reminded that I haven't seen the first full metal alchemist since back in 2006.
SuperMario
Mine is shipping already, take about 2 weeks to get here. Can't wait haha
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