Posted by psgels on 1 December 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews, Dennou Coil

Fans of the fifteenth episode of Rahxephon can rejoice: its director, Mitsuo Iso has embarked on a new project called Dennou Coil. Having done the animation for major Ghibli-movies such as Porco Rosso, Ocean Waves and Only Yesterday as well, this guy had the potential to create a masterpiece. Thankfully, he actually pulled it off, and many consider this series as one of the best of the entire year.

The thing that’ll probably immediately catch your attention when you start to watch this series is the immense amount of creativity that’s put into the series. It takes place in about twenty years, where a cyber-world exists that people can only see if they’re wearing special glasses already is something you don’t think of quite easily, but Mitsuo Iso created a world that consists out of much, much more than just that. The first half of the series carefully builds this up, and makes sure that the viewer has been accustomed to the many sides of the setting, only for this series to really get fired off with the second half, and the final quarter of the series has some incredibly emotionally charged climaxes.

To make this even better, Dennou Coil has amazing production-values, second to only Seirei no Moribito. What you usually see with series is how their first few episodes have amazing animation, only to switch to a lazier animation-style after a few episodes, but Dennou Coil is different. The animation is of a consistent high quality, and there are no signs of outsourcing at all. The character-designs may look simple, but the animation and integration with CG make them look beautiful.

The characters may not be among the best points of this series, but they do work effectively when they have to, due to the careful building-up of the storyline. One point of critique would be that most of the side-characters could have gotten more development. Daiichi, Denpa, Fumie and Kyoko are wonderful characters, but if feels like they weren’t used to their full potential, and their roles became smaller and smaller as the series went on.

One thing that irked me, but will probably have little effect to those who plan to marathon the series is the overabundance of recap-episodes. In total, there’ve been three of them for a 28-episode series. The final episode could also have been a bit less rushed. Finally, there are three episodes in the middle of the series (11, 12 and 13), which I guess were meant to flesh out the world of Dennou Coil a bit, and they’re excellent standalone episodes, but they really feel out of place with the rest of the series, and only throw in more potential that unfortunately had to be ignored in the end.

Apart from this, though, we’ve got ourselves a masterpiece here. It’s one of the highlights of the year, and apart from Kaze no Shoujo Emily, it’s the most consistently good series of 2007 for me. It’s anime like these that show that even stories focused at children can be awesome nonetheless.

27 Responses

  1. hssc says:

    someone should start a live version of this in IMAX production values – imagine what the codes will look like under WETA workshop!

  2. w says:

    Actually the recap episodes have absolutely no bearing if you’re just watching it as a series, only if you were watching it as it aired the first time. (They’re re-airing it on NHK like next week or the week after IIRC)

    I doubt they’d even appear on the DVDs, apart from episode 14… That would really make it one half-recap out of the entire series. I don’t see what’s so wrong with that especially since it’s, um, supposed to be a children’s anime so sometimes they could do with a summing up of what has happened…

  3. totoum says:

    yeah psgels,the 2 recaps apart from 14 weren’t even made by the anime creators,so it wasn’t their decision,it is a 26 episode series not 28,so i don’t think it’d be fair to take those into consideration when rating the series (if you did).
    I’ll give you 12 and 13 but there were some revelations in episode 11 concerning megabaa and tamako,it sets up bigger revelations that come in episode 20.
    Thanks a lot for blogging this anime,first thing i do after watching an episode is come here to read your thoughts.
    What are the odds of it getting licenced so I can get it on DVD?Maybe the fact it’s getting a rerun is a good sign?

  4. psgels psgels says:

    True, the recap-episodes will not matter for those who plan to marathon this series. My mistake.

    Oh, and don’t worry. With a series that’s so well received as this one, it’s nearly impossible for it not to get lisenced.

  5. w says:

    Well apparently most kids’ shows on NHK get reruns so it’s not really a huge deal that Dennou Coil is getting one, but whether it follows the next pattern of getting a sequel of some sorts remains to be seen. I don’t know that much about NHK’s programming but it seems like most kid’s anime on NHK-E gets a second season after a rerun. (Major, airing just before Dennou Coil, is having a 4th season produced; Coil’s predecessor Tsubasa Chronicles got 2 seasons. Older stuff like Corrector Yui and YAT Anshin! Uchuu Ryokou got 2 seasons, CCS got 3. Although UPS had no sequels it was 52 eps long… though Kaze no Shoujo Emily was 26)

    I somehow doubt Coil will get a sequel and if they’d make anything I’d rather it be a one-off OVA or a short movie than a series. With Haraken in his uniform, please.

    It’d be a crying shame if this doesn’t get licensed though – I would in fact really wish it got shown on TV outside Japan as well…

  6. totoum says:

    ok,thanks for the info w
    licencing in france seems to take a bit longer than in the US,i don’t know how it works in the netherlands but ounce it’s licensed,anime becomes easely accessible,lots of TV stations show anime and there’s a few anime DVD shops in paris.

  7. psgels psgels says:

    Oh, I wish we could be so lucky in the Netherlands. Basically, the only stuff that really makes it on TV consists of the garbage-series aimed at really young ages. Think Bedaman.

  8. Kim says:

    Oh, and don’t worry. With a series that’s so well received as this one, it’s nearly impossible for it not to get lisenced.

    I wish you were right but I can think of well received series that did not get licensed. What about Monster? Not only was that well received it was extremely popular.

    In today’s anime market I would say Dennou Coil’s chances of getting licensed are not the best. It’s an amazing series but it is not the type of series that will sell well. Of course I’d buy it for sure but will your average anime fans buy the series? I think it is doubtful. Although in this case I would be really happy to be wrong.

  9. totoum says:

    uh,wait,you’re telling me monster never got licenced in the US?wow,not only has it been licenced in france,it’s been aired on TV.
    I didn’t realise how lucky I am lol.
    I think dennou coil has a little something for everyone ,comedy ,drama, action,mystery,i guess the “kiddyish” athmosphere can be a drawback to some.
    The only people I know who wouldn’t watch dennou coil would be people who need fanservice in an anime to watch it,sadly,that’s quite a few people.

  10. omo says:

    Monster TV did not get licensed, but odds are that’s because of financial reasons, and it may reflect how well the manga has been doing in the US. Either way people can just buy the Odex release for an English version of the thing.

    Personally I think Denno Coil isn’t really great primarily because, well, there just wasn’t really that much drama. Also, unlike more popular franchises the characters for kids, Denno Coil’s main characters never really interests me or even made me want to care about them. With exception to Densuke, maybe.

    But it is definitely very creative and well-produced piece of work. I think it is an easy anime to recommend to people who aren’t watching anime because they want to see something different than the mainstream stuff.

  11. omo says:

    “Also, unlike more popular franchises for kids, Denno Coil’s main characters never really interests me or even made me want to care about them.”

  12. totoum says:

    “there just wasn’t really that much drama. Also, unlike more popular franchises the characters for kids, Denno Coil’s main characters never really interests me or even made me want to care about them. ”

    i guess to each his own,i’m at episode 22,not only do i think i’m in the middle of a bunch of drama,i even shed a tear in episode 20.Isako is a great character for me,i’ve gone from hating her guts to wanting to give her a hug.
    Dennou coil has also great rewatch value to me,because lots of little clues are droped in the first fiew episodes,it’s fun to hunt those clues down.
    And i think that not only is dennou coil different from a lot of mainstream stuff,it’s different from a lot of anime too,so i don’t see why it’d be only something good for people who aren’t into anime.
    Oh well,i’ll have to get used to the fact no everyone has to like a show as much as i do.

  13. Dk86 says:

    Nice Review.
    Still, I don’t like this anime at all.^^

  14. KaminaLives says:

    A really great series, all in all, with just the right mix of humor, slice-of-life, emotion, and bad-assery (Isako, well, before she got all emo on us, heh).

    I also think a major theme of Dennou Coil was that of friendship and loyalty. Where Yasako failed to stick up for her former friend Mayumi in the face of being bullied with Michiko rumors, she more than makes up for it and redeems herself by going all out and even risking her own life to save Isako.

    So there is some bit of redemption for Yasako there, and Isako finally learns to open up and accept kindness and, daresay, friendship, instead of shutting herself off from people.

    And I wholeheartedly believe that saying good-bye to lost loved ones is a powerful theme too. So Michiko was born out of Isako’s grief over the loss of her brother and jealousy over what she perceived to be Yasako “stealing” her brother from her, and partly out of Yasako’s “first love” (she does steal her first kiss off of “Imago” Nobuhiko, though I’m not totally convinced of the importance of this personally but the Japanese tend to make a big deal over one’s first kiss, at least in anime), and shows the self-destruction of obsessing over what you’ve lost. Learning to let go of your grief and living your life is the lesson, to be sure.

    Anyhoo, some really deep themes (handled much better than some other series of similar themes, such as Noein, though still a good one I liked) and an excellent end to what most would consider a kid’s show, heh.

  15. Kasumi says:

    The series is great, excellent even, but I thought the last few episodes were honestly pretty weak. Most of the characters were totally out of the picture, and it spent too much time on last minute exposition. Plus, the emotional scenes just seemed a bit contrived. I think that the world and overall “feel” of the show were what really shone for me, rather than the characters as individuals. Still, I would give it a 9/10.

  16. Sorudam says:

    I make a comment here for the first time, but enjoyed reading this blog every week.
    Thank you for psgals.

    I too think that the major themes of this series is “saying goodbye to the deceased”, and think there is another theme “the pain of life and growing up”.
    In Epi.26,Yasako and Isako said “The direction which I feel the pain shows me the exit”.
    Nobody seems to yet say about but I make much of. How about an opinion of you guys?

  17. tg says:

    Thank you for blogging this great show! ^_^ I lost tracked and need to catch up with all the episodes during winter break. I’m glad to hear that it is getting a rerun!!

  18. totoum says:

    “The direction which I feel the pain shows me the exit”

    i interpret that with something someone told me when i was trying to get over the death of my mom.
    Trying to hide from the pain and forget about it won’t get you anywhere,you need to accept it and confront it,it’s hard but you will never get over the pain if you try to run away from it.

  19. Sorudam says:

    Thank you for your opinion totoum.
    I guess it expresses one of the themes of this story well.

  20. nahrub says:

    nothing much to say. great show, great show. ignore the comments that said otherwise.

  21. Solaris says:

    Great show indeed, but i don’t agree it’s a kid show. It seems to be a show about kids. Apart from the difficult concepts featured in the anime, that are all computer-based, there are some deep themes in here. Say the friendship or loyalty ie. These are the most recognizable, but there iss much more. There’s the theme of the death, the reality vs irreality or virtual. Nobody seemed to point out this:
    What is real in a world where real and virtual are joined? Densuke is dead, but this dog was ever alive? It was a computer game, but Yasako and Kyoko felt real attachment to it. So it was definitevley something real, thus not having a body.
    And what about those who died or shifted to the other side?
    Say the dead were imprisoned in the Coil Space lik Kanna was. So living thing coming out from a virtual space in the form of Illegals and dead people ending there. Again the virtual reality and the reality are being mixed!
    Now tell me this is something a kid can understand!

  22. psgels psgels says:

    Solaris: the interesting thing is that Dennou Coil was aired at the NHK-channel, at the time-block that’s actually aimed at children. This was also noticable during the recaps. Everything was carefully explained so that the children would remain to follow the story a bit. The deeper parts of this series will indeed be lost on them, but I think that they too will get plenty of enjoyment out of this series.

  23. gekophetweb says:

    It’s not that dead people ended in the coil domain, but rather the feelings of people created the image of them in the coil domain(the illigals/nulls). Just like michiko was created by Yasako and Isako. Or at least that was said at the end by Yasako and Haraken.

    about “the direction of the pain will show me the exit”, I think it is not like “the pain of life and growing up” it is more like life comes with pain, but because we caan feel pain we can also feel happiness and sadness, we just have to endure it. We can’t hang on to the deceased because it will be to painfull and the pain will eventually become excrutiating(or however you may spell it) just like Isako and the loss of her brother consumed her (at least that is what i think).

  24. marktheknife says:

    I just finished this series. It was an amazing ride. Even if it was a kid’s show, it rarely pandered to kids (like a good Pixar flick).

    Even more interestingly, the overall theme was really dark. It makes me think of a mildly toned-down version of the Buddhist maxim “Life is suffering.” Pain is a central element of this anime – to live correctly is to confront pain and move towards more of it. That is where the “answers” are said to lie. Dying young seems to be the result of young characters trying to avoid the pain necessary to “grow up”/move forward in life. This is most notably represented in characters failing to “let go” with regards to dead family/friends – I’d say the anime’s language is intended to be taken more broadly, though.

    The anime explores this from other angles too – the entire point of the virtual reality aspect of the anime (besides awesome entertainment) seems to be to pose the question “What is real?” And the anime rejects the easy answer – what you can sense in every way, including touch – to instead say that only PAIN is real. It is the basis of comparison for knowing everything else in life. It’s the idea you can only know what is good by knowing what is bad, but with an attempt to combine it with the idea of sensory inputs.

    The series also confronts how to correctly deal with pain – sharing it with others is repeatedly shown to be the way to go. In fact, it’s the only basis for friendship the show seems to definitively support besides romantic love and familial love – the other relationships break way too easily. As Isako says, the connections between people are narrow and distant – sharing pain is often the reinforcement to these connections. And her dialog with Yasako that closes out the series is to say: We’re only together as long as we’re suffering together – we’re not suffering together now, so we’re separated. I hope we get to do so again though!
    It’s an interesting notion – I remember a rabbi coming to my (Catholic) school and talking to us about the term “passion.” It was part of our sex ed classes (oddly enough). He noted “passion” came from a Latin/Greek term for pain, and noted that, in his experience, it was the couples that shared their suffering that had a true, unbreakable bond. Relationships based on good times, sex, etc., broke easily.

    To me, it’s a particularly good example of how pain defines everything that is good and “real”/important in our lives. To avoid pain is to similarly avoid engaging yourself in really living.
    The show presents some reasons one might wrongly choose to flee from pain. The losing-someone-you-love-to-someone-else idea is central to the anime, and is unfortunately not explored in great depth.

    At any rate, I love this anime, and my only complaints are: that there wasn’t another episode to smooth out the ending, and that there weren’t enough musical tracks/good musical tracks.

    • vostok says:

      Really enjoyed this comment… somehow Dennoucoil encourages this level of reflection, right? It’s one of my absolute favorite TV anime. But one can easily miss the best stuff about it when watching passively; this show becomes increasingly rewarding on rewatches and closer inspection. Pixar was a good analogy; you can watch Dennoucoil at “kid level” as a weird and fun adventure story, but you can also watch it at “adult level” and appreciate the ways in which it’s Iso Mitsuo’s labor of love.

  25. marktheknife says:

    I should also reinforce that this series had killer art direction and some awesome animation.

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In other news a sequel to an absolutely terrible horror movie called Ouija is out and it's...actually pretty good? Wondering if critics were paid off or it is legit good. Well it did have the guy who was behind Oculus and that was a pretty good movie.
Simplify the term down enough and anime is literally anything animated but the whole point of the term is to distinguish it. For to call Spongebob an anime makes me want to projectile vomit. Point is this, you say you watched a cartoon, people think Tom and jerry, Scooby doo etc. You say you watched an anime, people think Cowboy bebop, Attack on titan, etc. Whole point of the term.
For example, I don't consider Avatar or RWBY to be anime for while they use anime style, the writing is fundamentally structured like an American cartoon. Through I would consider Bloodivores an anime even though it was made by a Chinese animation company, making it technically a Chinese cartoon.
As far as what is and isn't anime I honestly think of the term as a means of distinguishing it from cartoon which gives the impression of being for children. It's like Graphic novel is to comic book. Though techically graphic novels are issues of comics bound in book form, the term Graphic novel is often used to distinguish works that go above superhero comics and whatnot.
Basically I think it was due to Porter Robinsons involvement that they didn't consider it anime.
@Aidan: Did the mods give any concrete reasons why they didn't consider it an anime?
@Mario, It wasn't the community that had the problem. It was the mods. The community made it pretty clear that they considered it anime.
So despite the art style is obviously anime, the character speaks in Japanese, and the production was animated by A1 Studios, it's not an anime? Sometimes I feel sad that the anime community keeps limiting themselves with such fixed minds.
I saw it yesterday and yes it was good. For a 5-minute story, they don't make it too overwhelme with details, and still pack an emotional punch. Moreover it elevates the song. Good stuffs.
Shelter was quite good though. It works well and the animation was beautiful. Song is not bad either. It's got a nice emotional punch to it though it's a bit simple a story.
Well anyway I only saw all this because I checked out the video for the first time and wanted to see how others thought of it with a quick scan through reddit. And I get this shitshow instead.
Playing the victim is the one really pisses off the internet. For refusing to admit you f*cked up only encourages people to shove how you f*cked up into your face. That's what really grinds peoples gears.
Yep, seen that too. The mods even put up another tread about the video and tried to guilt trip people by saying they got death threats. Look, internet rules 101. If you said or did something stupid admit to it and just walk away. Do not try to deflect blame or play the victim, that only adds fuel to the fire.
@Aidan oh yeah saw that live lol. Porter himself even commented on twitter about it, gotta love internet drama
So did anyone happen to catch the big old shitstorm of that Shelter music music when a mod of the Anime subreddit decided it wasn't "Anime" enough and removed the discussion post about it? Oh internet drama...what silly nonsense.
Finally caught up with JoJo. Diamond is Unbreakable has turned out to be much better than Stardust Crusaders. Should have waited for the season to finish through as I really loved marathoning it.
I had a feeling that might be the case considering the source materail for luger.
@Mario Oh I watched that, certinately worth it. Packed more story that some 12-episode shows do nowadays and gorgeous animation.
and I will check out "Shelter" music video to see what all the fuss is about
*this weekend to be exact.
Sounds like Luger Code 1951 is an OVA that will air next week, the same air date with "my" Zaregoto OVA.
@Mario: doesn't sound real at all to me lol
@Mario, I might be able to manage. If all else fails I can talk about the past of these historical figures.
While I don't mind watchinng Drifters, I swaer if I had to cover that show, I couldn't come up with anything to say.
Do you guys know what language the fairies speak in Drifters? It does sound like a genuine language
@topgavin: humanity has declined is a great show. It has good writing and dark, witty sense of humor. I could talk about it in length but psgels pretty much covered it all. He was really impressed by that show however.
That should be me covered till the weekend. Why do all my shows air on the weekend...
@Mario nah I've watched the whole thing but I'd heard about it at the start of this year and put it off. The dialogue between her and the fairies was great stuff, probably gonna rewatch it this weekend now that you mention it
Alright, I got three posts written up and will be throwing them out in about two hours or do.
I thought you've finished it. Yeah I love her character a lot, so cynical but witty. My favorite moment was when she read about fairy's plan to invent religions. She was like "so religions are invented?" (beat) "I've learn something new today". Priceless
@Mario Oh nice, it was one that I had heard about but never got round to. To put it in simple anime terms, Watashi is best girl
@topgavin: I just finished the series yo mentioned the other day: humanity is declined. Man, I love it. I know now I have a thing for dark twisted absurdist anime
@Ano340004: the name is Watashi ga Motete Dousunda, or to put it short Motete. I have fun with it but i'm not that enthuastic
@anon the english name is Kiss him, not me. Search through the first impressions if you need the jap name.
then that girl really loves BL (boy love)
what is the name of the anime that the girl is fat and then she got depressed because her favorite boy anime died then she got thin?
Season 7 is awesome so far too. It feels like the tone of the show is finally back to normal and it feels like Adventure Time again.
Whew, I binged all seasons of Adventure Time this weekend. The show hit a low spot in Season 6 but I think it needed to happen...Poor Finn needed the serious character development after what he did to FP.
You guys are too hard on it
Motete is very funny
Kaiser Eoghan
When it comes to gag manga and four-koma, I just eventually reach a stopping point with a comedy series in that format. Even with hidamari sketch.
I think it was typical light novel trash based on what was in the PV. I laughed that despite it being horrible that the crowd still cheered anyway, likely because it had a bath clip in it.
The PV was hilarious. I had no idea what the anime was about.
@Aidan I'm good, I'll stick with Working.
@K-Off, you could switch to something like Gi(a)rlish Number if you like. I for one am really digging the satire of the show. Plus I like that it's basically showing how an utter train-wreck of an anime can be made. That PV in the last episode was truly painful.
Feeling pretty disappointed with Working. I haven't gotten any more cynical with comedies, at least I don't think, and its flaws are so irritating.
@Adam Le, I find that with Comic book dialogue. Which is one of the reasons I have gone off marvel movies. Cartoons have it to a degree as well.
I love the instagram shots in Yuri
Maybe I can have a watch through those live action films and do a compare/contrast to see which version works better. After all movie and tv series are 2 different medium, and live-action vs animation is the topic that we never get tired of
speaking of which, the overlap between anime and live-action adaptation from manga is overwhelming. For this year alone, there were Erased, 3-gatsu no Lion, Fune o Amu, orange, and Chihayafuru (part 1&2). Those were just the ones I know.
@Adam: Don't know which genre you're into but you can try Fune o Amu (The Great Passage)
Adam Le
I can't seem to get into any of these new shows. I don't know, the dialogue always seems off to me and the forced comedy is a big turn off.
Reminds me of a thought I had when I was last at the Getty art museum. People walking past works of art hundreds of years old, but only taking a second-long glance before moving on to the next one. Not their fault really, it's only the professional critics who can understand what they see with depth.
I'm the opposite really, they're getting paid for what they said so they better know their shits
Kaiser Eoghan
I suppose I'm slightly envious of professional critics somewhat.
Sometimes you're just meant to experience the ride you know. I don't watch those explained video anymore because after all it's just one guy's opinions.
Kaiser Eoghan
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And I mean people who art professionals or students.
Kaiser Eoghan
I guess I'm just unsure of something, how many people watching "arty" stuff are able to pick it up on their own. By looking up an "explained video" or "explained essay" to get it, am I copping out?
Kaiser Eoghan
I feel like I've begun getting on board with the european art stuff but am really only scratching the surface with the Chinese and that stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
And find myself missing whats going on sometimes.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'll admit I do find it frustrating, that even though I can like art films, emotionally connect at times, appreciate the visual techniques and admire them for being so different without looking up analysis by people far smarter than myself I honestly feel lost sometimes as to the meaning.
@Kaiser: Apichatphong Weerseethakul's films are so otherworldly and spiritual that I wouldn't dare to call them "dreams" anymore. Check out his "Uncle Boonmie", "Syndromes and a Century", "Cemetery of Splendors". he has such singular vision that just watch and experience his films are rewarding enough
@afgm: well, if we really go over-analyze it, bunnies can represent desire for example ^^
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