Posted by psgels on 1 December 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews, Dennou Coil


Fans of the fifteenth episode of Rahxephon can rejoice: its director, Mitsuo Iso has embarked on a new project called Dennou Coil. Having done the animation for major Ghibli-movies such as Porco Rosso, Ocean Waves and Only Yesterday as well, this guy had the potential to create a masterpiece. Thankfully, he actually pulled it off, and many consider this series as one of the best of the entire year.

The thing that’ll probably immediately catch your attention when you start to watch this series is the immense amount of creativity that’s put into the series. It takes place in about twenty years, where a cyber-world exists that people can only see if they’re wearing special glasses already is something you don’t think of quite easily, but Mitsuo Iso created a world that consists out of much, much more than just that. The first half of the series carefully builds this up, and makes sure that the viewer has been accustomed to the many sides of the setting, only for this series to really get fired off with the second half, and the final quarter of the series has some incredibly emotionally charged climaxes.

To make this even better, Dennou Coil has amazing production-values, second to only Seirei no Moribito. What you usually see with series is how their first few episodes have amazing animation, only to switch to a lazier animation-style after a few episodes, but Dennou Coil is different. The animation is of a consistent high quality, and there are no signs of outsourcing at all. The character-designs may look simple, but the animation and integration with CG make them look beautiful.

The characters may not be among the best points of this series, but they do work effectively when they have to, due to the careful building-up of the storyline. One point of critique would be that most of the side-characters could have gotten more development. Daiichi, Denpa, Fumie and Kyoko are wonderful characters, but if feels like they weren’t used to their full potential, and their roles became smaller and smaller as the series went on.

One thing that irked me, but will probably have little effect to those who plan to marathon the series is the overabundance of recap-episodes. In total, there’ve been three of them for a 28-episode series. The final episode could also have been a bit less rushed. Finally, there are three episodes in the middle of the series (11, 12 and 13), which I guess were meant to flesh out the world of Dennou Coil a bit, and they’re excellent standalone episodes, but they really feel out of place with the rest of the series, and only throw in more potential that unfortunately had to be ignored in the end.

Apart from this, though, we’ve got ourselves a masterpiece here. It’s one of the highlights of the year, and apart from Kaze no Shoujo Emily, it’s the most consistently good series of 2007 for me. It’s anime like these that show that even stories focused at children can be awesome nonetheless.

27 Responses

  1. hssc says:

    someone should start a live version of this in IMAX production values – imagine what the codes will look like under WETA workshop!

  2. w says:

    Actually the recap episodes have absolutely no bearing if you’re just watching it as a series, only if you were watching it as it aired the first time. (They’re re-airing it on NHK like next week or the week after IIRC)

    I doubt they’d even appear on the DVDs, apart from episode 14… That would really make it one half-recap out of the entire series. I don’t see what’s so wrong with that especially since it’s, um, supposed to be a children’s anime so sometimes they could do with a summing up of what has happened…

  3. totoum says:

    yeah psgels,the 2 recaps apart from 14 weren’t even made by the anime creators,so it wasn’t their decision,it is a 26 episode series not 28,so i don’t think it’d be fair to take those into consideration when rating the series (if you did).
    I’ll give you 12 and 13 but there were some revelations in episode 11 concerning megabaa and tamako,it sets up bigger revelations that come in episode 20.
    Thanks a lot for blogging this anime,first thing i do after watching an episode is come here to read your thoughts.
    What are the odds of it getting licenced so I can get it on DVD?Maybe the fact it’s getting a rerun is a good sign?

  4. psgels psgels says:

    True, the recap-episodes will not matter for those who plan to marathon this series. My mistake.

    Oh, and don’t worry. With a series that’s so well received as this one, it’s nearly impossible for it not to get lisenced.

  5. w says:

    Well apparently most kids’ shows on NHK get reruns so it’s not really a huge deal that Dennou Coil is getting one, but whether it follows the next pattern of getting a sequel of some sorts remains to be seen. I don’t know that much about NHK’s programming but it seems like most kid’s anime on NHK-E gets a second season after a rerun. (Major, airing just before Dennou Coil, is having a 4th season produced; Coil’s predecessor Tsubasa Chronicles got 2 seasons. Older stuff like Corrector Yui and YAT Anshin! Uchuu Ryokou got 2 seasons, CCS got 3. Although UPS had no sequels it was 52 eps long… though Kaze no Shoujo Emily was 26)

    I somehow doubt Coil will get a sequel and if they’d make anything I’d rather it be a one-off OVA or a short movie than a series. With Haraken in his uniform, please.

    It’d be a crying shame if this doesn’t get licensed though – I would in fact really wish it got shown on TV outside Japan as well…

  6. totoum says:

    ok,thanks for the info w
    licencing in france seems to take a bit longer than in the US,i don’t know how it works in the netherlands but ounce it’s licensed,anime becomes easely accessible,lots of TV stations show anime and there’s a few anime DVD shops in paris.

  7. psgels psgels says:

    Oh, I wish we could be so lucky in the Netherlands. Basically, the only stuff that really makes it on TV consists of the garbage-series aimed at really young ages. Think Bedaman.

  8. Kim says:

    Oh, and don’t worry. With a series that’s so well received as this one, it’s nearly impossible for it not to get lisenced.

    I wish you were right but I can think of well received series that did not get licensed. What about Monster? Not only was that well received it was extremely popular.

    In today’s anime market I would say Dennou Coil’s chances of getting licensed are not the best. It’s an amazing series but it is not the type of series that will sell well. Of course I’d buy it for sure but will your average anime fans buy the series? I think it is doubtful. Although in this case I would be really happy to be wrong.

  9. totoum says:

    uh,wait,you’re telling me monster never got licenced in the US?wow,not only has it been licenced in france,it’s been aired on TV.
    I didn’t realise how lucky I am lol.
    I think dennou coil has a little something for everyone ,comedy ,drama, action,mystery,i guess the “kiddyish” athmosphere can be a drawback to some.
    The only people I know who wouldn’t watch dennou coil would be people who need fanservice in an anime to watch it,sadly,that’s quite a few people.

  10. omo says:

    Monster TV did not get licensed, but odds are that’s because of financial reasons, and it may reflect how well the manga has been doing in the US. Either way people can just buy the Odex release for an English version of the thing.

    Personally I think Denno Coil isn’t really great primarily because, well, there just wasn’t really that much drama. Also, unlike more popular franchises the characters for kids, Denno Coil’s main characters never really interests me or even made me want to care about them. With exception to Densuke, maybe.

    But it is definitely very creative and well-produced piece of work. I think it is an easy anime to recommend to people who aren’t watching anime because they want to see something different than the mainstream stuff.

  11. omo says:

    “Also, unlike more popular franchises for kids, Denno Coil’s main characters never really interests me or even made me want to care about them.”

  12. totoum says:

    “there just wasn’t really that much drama. Also, unlike more popular franchises the characters for kids, Denno Coil’s main characters never really interests me or even made me want to care about them. ”

    i guess to each his own,i’m at episode 22,not only do i think i’m in the middle of a bunch of drama,i even shed a tear in episode 20.Isako is a great character for me,i’ve gone from hating her guts to wanting to give her a hug.
    Dennou coil has also great rewatch value to me,because lots of little clues are droped in the first fiew episodes,it’s fun to hunt those clues down.
    And i think that not only is dennou coil different from a lot of mainstream stuff,it’s different from a lot of anime too,so i don’t see why it’d be only something good for people who aren’t into anime.
    Oh well,i’ll have to get used to the fact no everyone has to like a show as much as i do.

  13. Dk86 says:

    Nice Review.
    Still, I don’t like this anime at all.^^

  14. KaminaLives says:

    A really great series, all in all, with just the right mix of humor, slice-of-life, emotion, and bad-assery (Isako, well, before she got all emo on us, heh).

    I also think a major theme of Dennou Coil was that of friendship and loyalty. Where Yasako failed to stick up for her former friend Mayumi in the face of being bullied with Michiko rumors, she more than makes up for it and redeems herself by going all out and even risking her own life to save Isako.

    So there is some bit of redemption for Yasako there, and Isako finally learns to open up and accept kindness and, daresay, friendship, instead of shutting herself off from people.

    And I wholeheartedly believe that saying good-bye to lost loved ones is a powerful theme too. So Michiko was born out of Isako’s grief over the loss of her brother and jealousy over what she perceived to be Yasako “stealing” her brother from her, and partly out of Yasako’s “first love” (she does steal her first kiss off of “Imago” Nobuhiko, though I’m not totally convinced of the importance of this personally but the Japanese tend to make a big deal over one’s first kiss, at least in anime), and shows the self-destruction of obsessing over what you’ve lost. Learning to let go of your grief and living your life is the lesson, to be sure.

    Anyhoo, some really deep themes (handled much better than some other series of similar themes, such as Noein, though still a good one I liked) and an excellent end to what most would consider a kid’s show, heh.

  15. Kasumi says:

    The series is great, excellent even, but I thought the last few episodes were honestly pretty weak. Most of the characters were totally out of the picture, and it spent too much time on last minute exposition. Plus, the emotional scenes just seemed a bit contrived. I think that the world and overall “feel” of the show were what really shone for me, rather than the characters as individuals. Still, I would give it a 9/10.

  16. Sorudam says:

    I make a comment here for the first time, but enjoyed reading this blog every week.
    Thank you for psgals.

    I too think that the major themes of this series is “saying goodbye to the deceased”, and think there is another theme “the pain of life and growing up”.
    In Epi.26,Yasako and Isako said “The direction which I feel the pain shows me the exit”.
    Nobody seems to yet say about but I make much of. How about an opinion of you guys?

  17. tg says:

    Thank you for blogging this great show! ^_^ I lost tracked and need to catch up with all the episodes during winter break. I’m glad to hear that it is getting a rerun!!

  18. totoum says:

    “The direction which I feel the pain shows me the exit”

    i interpret that with something someone told me when i was trying to get over the death of my mom.
    Trying to hide from the pain and forget about it won’t get you anywhere,you need to accept it and confront it,it’s hard but you will never get over the pain if you try to run away from it.

  19. Sorudam says:

    Thank you for your opinion totoum.
    I guess it expresses one of the themes of this story well.

  20. nahrub says:

    nothing much to say. great show, great show. ignore the comments that said otherwise.

  21. Solaris says:

    Great show indeed, but i don’t agree it’s a kid show. It seems to be a show about kids. Apart from the difficult concepts featured in the anime, that are all computer-based, there are some deep themes in here. Say the friendship or loyalty ie. These are the most recognizable, but there iss much more. There’s the theme of the death, the reality vs irreality or virtual. Nobody seemed to point out this:
    What is real in a world where real and virtual are joined? Densuke is dead, but this dog was ever alive? It was a computer game, but Yasako and Kyoko felt real attachment to it. So it was definitevley something real, thus not having a body.
    And what about those who died or shifted to the other side?
    Say the dead were imprisoned in the Coil Space lik Kanna was. So living thing coming out from a virtual space in the form of Illegals and dead people ending there. Again the virtual reality and the reality are being mixed!
    Now tell me this is something a kid can understand!

  22. psgels psgels says:

    Solaris: the interesting thing is that Dennou Coil was aired at the NHK-channel, at the time-block that’s actually aimed at children. This was also noticable during the recaps. Everything was carefully explained so that the children would remain to follow the story a bit. The deeper parts of this series will indeed be lost on them, but I think that they too will get plenty of enjoyment out of this series.

  23. gekophetweb says:

    It’s not that dead people ended in the coil domain, but rather the feelings of people created the image of them in the coil domain(the illigals/nulls). Just like michiko was created by Yasako and Isako. Or at least that was said at the end by Yasako and Haraken.

    about “the direction of the pain will show me the exit”, I think it is not like “the pain of life and growing up” it is more like life comes with pain, but because we caan feel pain we can also feel happiness and sadness, we just have to endure it. We can’t hang on to the deceased because it will be to painfull and the pain will eventually become excrutiating(or however you may spell it) just like Isako and the loss of her brother consumed her (at least that is what i think).

  24. marktheknife says:

    I just finished this series. It was an amazing ride. Even if it was a kid’s show, it rarely pandered to kids (like a good Pixar flick).

    Even more interestingly, the overall theme was really dark. It makes me think of a mildly toned-down version of the Buddhist maxim “Life is suffering.” Pain is a central element of this anime – to live correctly is to confront pain and move towards more of it. That is where the “answers” are said to lie. Dying young seems to be the result of young characters trying to avoid the pain necessary to “grow up”/move forward in life. This is most notably represented in characters failing to “let go” with regards to dead family/friends – I’d say the anime’s language is intended to be taken more broadly, though.

    The anime explores this from other angles too – the entire point of the virtual reality aspect of the anime (besides awesome entertainment) seems to be to pose the question “What is real?” And the anime rejects the easy answer – what you can sense in every way, including touch – to instead say that only PAIN is real. It is the basis of comparison for knowing everything else in life. It’s the idea you can only know what is good by knowing what is bad, but with an attempt to combine it with the idea of sensory inputs.

    The series also confronts how to correctly deal with pain – sharing it with others is repeatedly shown to be the way to go. In fact, it’s the only basis for friendship the show seems to definitively support besides romantic love and familial love – the other relationships break way too easily. As Isako says, the connections between people are narrow and distant – sharing pain is often the reinforcement to these connections. And her dialog with Yasako that closes out the series is to say: We’re only together as long as we’re suffering together – we’re not suffering together now, so we’re separated. I hope we get to do so again though!
    ————–
    It’s an interesting notion – I remember a rabbi coming to my (Catholic) school and talking to us about the term “passion.” It was part of our sex ed classes (oddly enough). He noted “passion” came from a Latin/Greek term for pain, and noted that, in his experience, it was the couples that shared their suffering that had a true, unbreakable bond. Relationships based on good times, sex, etc., broke easily.

    To me, it’s a particularly good example of how pain defines everything that is good and “real”/important in our lives. To avoid pain is to similarly avoid engaging yourself in really living.
    ———–
    The show presents some reasons one might wrongly choose to flee from pain. The losing-someone-you-love-to-someone-else idea is central to the anime, and is unfortunately not explored in great depth.

    At any rate, I love this anime, and my only complaints are: that there wasn’t another episode to smooth out the ending, and that there weren’t enough musical tracks/good musical tracks.

    • vostok says:

      Really enjoyed this comment… somehow Dennoucoil encourages this level of reflection, right? It’s one of my absolute favorite TV anime. But one can easily miss the best stuff about it when watching passively; this show becomes increasingly rewarding on rewatches and closer inspection. Pixar was a good analogy; you can watch Dennoucoil at “kid level” as a weird and fun adventure story, but you can also watch it at “adult level” and appreciate the ways in which it’s Iso Mitsuo’s labor of love.

  25. marktheknife says:

    I should also reinforce that this series had killer art direction and some awesome animation.

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Very rarely watched teen titans when I was younger, I was vaguely interested in slade, stopped watching around when Terra appeared. I actively avoided comics where Damien appeared, never liked that Talia x Batman pairing much, I can only imagine how much worse it is to listen to Damien than read him.
K-Off
@Aidan, I like some aspects of those movies, but I'm not a big fan of the new continuity and art style in general...and yeah it doesn't help that Damian is irredeemably unlikable.
AidanAK47
@K-Off, There is also the DC animated Teen Titans movies like Teen Titans vs Justice Leage and Teen titans the Judus contract. Though it's not the same as the the TV series and Damian is such a dick.
K-Off
@Anon I don't think Teen Titans needs another season. The last season wasn't that good, but the movie ended the series on a high note and Young Justice pretty much rebooted everything, at least in terms of replacing people's want for a more mature DC cartoon about the Titans.
K-Off
Yeah it's become more of a hassel (for myself and my friends) to set aside time to go to a theater.
SuperMario
I guess in the end it all comes down to how easily it reaches the viewers. Give us a hard time and we don't give a damn to check the new movie/show out
SuperMario
... otherwise have to wait for a year, even more before it reaches Australia. But many companies will raise in the wake of Netflix and that will be where problems arise
SuperMario
This trend isn't happening within the anime industry, but it's happening in the movie world as well. In the past 2 years, Netflix starts to exclusively distribute many films, meaning that they won't have theatrical release, but straight to Video on Demand which caused quite a stir in the industry. Personally, I actually don't have much problem with it as now I will get a chance to see a film that
SuperMario
Dive!! , a series that will air next season on noitaminA slot will stream exclusively on Amazon Prime Video. Not that I'm eagerly looking forward to Dive, but that news again makes me frustrated. No one will watch it and then all the hypes it might have will die down eventually.
Anonymous1105394
Considering I didn't even expect a season 5 it's more than I could've evr wanted. Now if only if only Teen Titans could get the same chance.
Lenlo
Oh yeah, it turned out well. Didnt mean to say it didnt.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Considering that the ratio of great to alright episodes is 8 to 2 I say that it turned out pretty well.
Lenlo
I have to say, the Samurai Jack season started stronger than it ended imo
AidanAK47
So this is how Samurai Jack ends. 16 years in the making. Honestly considering how much needed to get wrapped up I knew the ending would be a bit flawed. Really think Gen should have givin it one more episode to flesh out the ending and then it wouldn't feel so rushed. Overall despite it's flaws, it's a decent ending. Not prefect by any means but it will do the job.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lol theres a surprise, seriously, Black Lagoons manga is updating again.
KTravlos
worst recap ever for me? Gangsta. That was a stupid recap episode. Really like a Public Announcement. Useless, stupid, and ruining atmosphere. Utter stupidity. There I got it our of me :p
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: Unfortunately too far behind in the sequel manga to catch up, I did take a look at THAT in the latest chapter though.
Masky
Huh, for some reason thought Tokyo Ghoul was under shonen when its seinen. Welp now that makes more sense, I was thinking story about cannibalism would be kinda absurd for shonen.
Spike
They serve no purpose except to fill airtime when production gets fucked up. They have 2 bad choices - run a recap or run an unfinished episode. Recap is generally the less dogshit choice. I've seen a few anime that ran the episodes with unfinished animations and still frames.... the backlash was about 100x what a recap is.
SuperMario
I'm about to say that to you as well Kaiser, maybe watch the recap and then continue on. The only thing I kind of take from the recap episode is the editting: how they chop off the fat of 6 episodes to still give you important developments. But as a way to catch up/ to reintroduce the series, it's freaking useless
Anonymous1104087
I don't think anyone should start from the recap episode. Unless there was a long hiatus, a recap in between episodes is unnecessary for new viewers and old
Lenlo
I mean, aside from whatever happens with Mugaro.
Lenlo
Next episode seems early, out of 24 episodes, for Nina to learn the Prince is Chris, yet that seems to be what the confrontation is leading towards, and then she freaks out and he learns shes the dragon. Becomes the conflict for the rest of the season?
Lenlo
Seems I was right, Azazel didnt predict that Nina might not be so easily riled up as she once was. To bad so sad Azazel, she has someone she loves now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
How useful are these recap episodes anyway/actually? Hypothetically lets say I was feeling lazy and decided to watch tsuki ga kirei starting from the recap episode.
Kaiser-Eoghan
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Lenlo
So long as there are consequences for how hes acting, then I am ok with it. I just dont want him to turn into some MC hero when hes acting like this.
AidanAK47
And in Re:Creators Sota is still being a goddamn pussy. Now that the exposition has gone down I am really starting to hate this kid.
SuperMario
It's the presentation that they differ. Ghost Hound focuses more on the atmosphere, so those details I mentioned before work for their benefits; whereas Sagrada Reset focus on plots (and confusing themes) so those stick out like sore thumb.
SuperMario
4 episodes into Ghost Hound so far. This show also reminds me a bit of Sagrada Reset this season- the way they both emotional distant, complex plots; keep viewers away at arm's length, and feature characters that have robotic facial expressions. Yet I enjoyed Ghost Hound so far and couldn't engage in Sagrada Reset at all.
SuperMario
@Spike: I was like... "tsuki ga kirei has a recap episode, so let's move on to Kado"... another recap. Tsuki ga kirei I'm not too worry as it confirmed that it'll have 12 episodes, but I'm not confident on Kado
SuperMario
@lenlo: in a sense you have to suffer it all alone. No worries thou as I intend to binge watch it when this season's over
Spike
Kado team crumbled under the pressure. Recap this week.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, im happy I dont have to compete with anyone to cover Berserk :P Got it all to myself to whine about, though its been ever so slowly improving.
Anonymous1100725
Ranka is ranka in any verse.
Anonymous1100725
Bahmut no spoilers. Ranka Lee. She just doesn't get it so everyone dies. As she stands around wondering.
SuperMario
In fact, Okja will play in the Sydney film festival next month, but seeing that it will stream in Netflix at the end of June I think it's best to wait until then
SuperMario
@Kaiser: great, I'm super hyped to watch Okja. Always enjoy Boon's movies. The critic's reviews from Cannes on Okja should come up soon I believe.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I watched Lain many times over as well but I'm sure that I didn't pick up everything. That show required multiple-viewing anyways.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Good news, netflix will stream Okja at the end of this June.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Its not often that I rewatch things, but years ago I've seen Lain at least three times, its also one of those few anime series where I felt to look up deeper analysis into it. It had a tremendous atmosphere and was ahead of its time.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: watching Ghost Hound made me want to revisit Serial Experiment Lain and give my episodic thoughts on that. Not gonna happen soon as I have my hand full right now but I swear I'll get to that one day.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I actually am planning to rewatch ghost hound soon, so I'll give you my new thoughts on it then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I always avoided Altair mostly based on it being a shounen action series. Kakeguruis premise involves gambling games, which I don't find interesting.
KTravlos
Kakegurui is on my list. I thought it would be crap (terrible setting etc), but the manga won me over. Princess Principal will be given a chance, so will Shoukouko no Altair.and perhaps Reflection. We shall see. Also Twilight Axis Gundam, as I love the manga team.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Recap episodes exist because of production troubles. Sometimes shit happens when you make an anime.
You are being a bit overally argressive but I do agree with the statement that Ntr is pathetic power fantasy. It really is.
Anonymous1099236
Ntr is a pathetic power fantasy for pathetic people
Anonymous1099236
Why the hell do recap episodes exist. Do they think we're that autistic
SuperMario
I honestly don't even what NTR is so I had to look it up. Interesting
SuperMario
Just a quick remaider that Tsuki ga Kirei has a recap episode this week. And yep, after watching this week's Sakura Quest I think I'm gonna stick with it
SuperMario
Flipping through the list, I'm also pretty know what I'm interested in, most of them are original anime, which is a plus
SuperMario
@Aidan: I'm still amazed that us never have to fight over covering shows, except for that one time with Flip Flappers. Always thought that crappy tastes are the same
Kaiser-Eoghan
*Those two comments were refering to NTR trap
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would really genuinely like to see some of these smut manga actually functionally use fanservice and romantic sex scenes rather than just cheap titilattion
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Poorly done ragey drama with bad comedy bits , I've reached a point with it where I no longer want my time wasted by it.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I admit to having passing interest in Princess Principal but not enough to fight you over it.
And Tsurezure Children is actually really really good. Really fluffy love stories with great comedy.
SuperMario
haha, even me who love slice-of-life won't fall for Tsurezure Children
SuperMario
@Aidan: Princess Principal
SuperMario
@Kaiser: The character designs on Centaur kind of weirds me out though
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Ugh...that one. Imagine a discount scums wish and you get the general idea.
AidanAK47
Mate if you are talking about Fate then let me say there is no way in hell I am not covering that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
NTR as the title of an anime? How shameless.
AidanAK47
@Mario,....Tsurezure Children?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised by centaur no nanami's manga. Actually cares about its setting and genuinely charming characters.
SuperMario
@Aidan: and this time there is 1 show we might both want to cover ^^
AidanAK47
I will have to start writing up that preview for this. I think it's pretty obvious what I am looking forward the most to watching.
AidanAK47
Links generally work with text if you place them at the end of it. Like so:
http://anichart.net/Summer-2017
Kaiser-Eoghan
[link src="http://anichart.net/Summer-2017
I....I"] might at least try the Vatican kiseki one and centaur no nanami...
AidanAK47
@Anon, Don't believe Clickbait. This is all based on a quote from the author thanking the animation studio and hoping for an opportunity to work with them in the future. What this confirms is that there is no plans for a season 3...yet. Could very well happen in the future. What this confirms is that it ain't happening any time soon.
Puran
Natsume is killing it this season.
Anonymous1094513
RIP Konosuba. Season 3 confirmed to not happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PvOmsKjcJU.
Lenlo
Im not sure what they are even saying.
Anonymous1092432
lmao Anon 250 got rekt
AidanAK47
Normally I would delete openly offensive posts but seeing as these don't make enough sense to be offensive I will give them a free pass.
AidanAK47
No idea who this Adnan guy is but if he watches gay porn then so what?
Anonymous1092250
adnan watches gay porn
Anonymous1092250
people who watch one piece are just watching gay porn
Anonymous1092250
one piece of shit
SuperMario
Hey, do you guys know about wanna cry ransomware? how's the heck that I just aware of its existence today? Scary@@
Lenlo
Haha will do, but im not gonna compete outside a local, maybe regional level, not anymore. I mostly want to get back into my old shape after 2 years of letting it lapse.
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