Posted by psgels on 6 December 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews


Gonzo… on one hand they search the borders of anime and storytelling, and work with greatly original premises…

… and on the other hand, we have this; generic premises that only stand out in their mediocrity. While others may have loved it, all I saw was a dull, predictable story and annoying characters. For this series, the people from Gonzo decided to bring their own version of the classic by Shakespeare, but this series might also just as well be called “Pete X Catherine”, because the only similarities are the names of the characters. Oh, and the Capulets and the Montagues are still mortal enemies.

This is another anime that suffers from the “bad main-character-syndrome”, as I’d like to call it. Both Romeo and Juliet are incredibly whiny teenagers who prevent the storyline from progressing smoothly, and instead they force the series to delve in cheesy and naive morals. Their relationship starts out nicely, but once they’re in love, their relationship starts behaving like that of a bad soap-opera, with excessive amounts of “I love you but I can’t stay with you”. Predictably, the ending for the series is a horrible one, where characters have convenient increases of powers for the sake of storytelling, complete with some screwed-up physics.

In terms of storytelling, this series also leaves much to be desired. It took me twenty-four freaking episodes to realize that the characters are supposed to be living on an island, floating in the sky. If that wasn’t bad enough, the characters themselves didn’t even know this. I mean, why was there nobody who would have thought at one point: “gee, I hate it here; why don’t I just travel to a very distant place and see what happens?” It doesn’t make any sense.

I’ve said this before; the best people from Gonzo were definitely working on Bokura no during the spring-season. The writers failed completely to make me care about the characters and setting, due to poor writing. These guys need to learn that lots of angst and drama don’t necessarily make a great anime; well fleshed-out characters are much more important.

40 Responses

  1. kiseki gurl says:

    I don’t want to be too biased but this is GONZO. Generally they either make classics (Gankutsuou) or crap (Kaze no Stigma, Dragonaut etc.). However, I found Romeo x Juliet to be flat in the middle because while it wasn’t anything wonderful it was tolerable and somewhat enjoyable to me. Well most of the time anyways.

  2. Ivy says:

    Oh I loved this show. I’m just glad they tried to do something a little new, I mean it avoided being completely predictable we gotta give them that right? I’m talking about the tree side-plot lol (it might seem silly and tacked on but I rather liked it) OH and I thought the ending was extremely beautiful especially since Gonzo love ending their shows explosively. All in all I loved it, no matter how chessy it got it’ll always have a special place in my heart, as the show that Gonzo finally was able to deliver in and then some hee. (I thought Bokurano was horrid for the most part really, sorry)

  3. L.A says:

    Sure, there were some boring and unnecessary parts through middle and some of the characters were wasted, but I think things went pretty well in the end. And some beginning parts were definitely enjoyable to watch.
    And though I never liked Juliet, but Romeo was quite cute comparing with the original Romeo…..so I thought overall it was a good series.
    And no offense, but I personally liked RomeoxJuliet much more than Bokura no.
    The biggest problem I had with Bokura no was that simply it wasn’t entertaining to watch. Every episode just made me feel miserable and depressing (although that was what creators??intended to) and at some point, I felt that the plot just went too far to an extension that I don’t care any more.

  4. Doughnut says:

    I found this series started out quite well, it was enjoyable to watch the first 10 episodes maybe, but I completely lost interest afterwards. The tree sideplot was absolutely awful, I think if they chopped out that whole concept and knocked it down to 20 episodes it could’ve been great.
    The quality of the animation throughout the series is definately not stable, some of it was awful around the middle.
    I’m not sure I agree about Bokurano, I only watched up to around episode 8 of that and found it awfully slow, it bored me. I might consider reading it sometime though.

  5. charlie says:

    Wow.

    I never thought I’d say this…

    But I completely agree with you on this review! To me, Romeo X Juliet was the biggest disappointment of last season. All the characters were one-dimensional and much more interesting in the play. The producers basically took the premise of Romeo and Juliet, and literally screwed up everything. The anime could of been done in 13 episodes, all the middle episodes were mindless filler. The character designs were bland, as well as the animation. I honestly didn’t believe the romance and it all felt fake to me. Not one single character in the anime was better then it’s play counterpart.

    The story never went anywhere…I was expecting a lot more out of this anime, but it didn’t live up to these expectations.

  6. Avisch says:

    charlie:

    Same opinion here. The original play is better than this 24 episode wannabe (thankfully I stopped watching after episode 14).

    Whoever decided on the plot should have been smacked from the beginning.

    Overall GONZO created what was not supposed to be a supreme cliche of a anime adaption of a 17th century play.

  7. Issu says:

    I third the agreement in this one failing for me.

    Just to back up what Charlie said, I DID in fact skip all the middle of this series. I watched maybe the first 4 episodes of this series and the last three, and I have to say if I can get every character and the entirety of went on with just that much its kinda sad how much of the show was filler. Given, I’d say knowing the original story helped me understand the end, but considering how far-off and obscure it went from the original, I’d say it made no difference.

    I can’t even imagine what it must’ve been like to have to watch everything else in between. I’m only sorry you had to waste your time getting through the rest of it where I only got the beginning and end. And what the heck WAS that ending about?… Oi, very frustrating to watch.

  8. crintodesu says:

    i just accept everything… if u think like that everything is good. so overall it didn’t really disapoint me..

    so what.. did they both become the two parts of the “tree” or some shit?

  9. nahrub says:

    don’t get me wrong… i love cheese, but this show is just too cheesy. i stoped watching after 9 episodes… too painful. eye-catching though… beautiful animation, great action, but it’s just too cheesy.

  10. Noelle says:

    In some way I DO agree with you… I thought the anime started off pretty well… But after a while it does get boring and dull. No to mention, characters such as Juliet gets on my nerves. Same here, couldn’t take too much angst and drama, around 3-4 episodes is enough, but not… half of the anime series… But anyway, I admit, I DO like the ending, but sadly, it didn’t end up ‘matching’ the anime.

  11. Denizen says:

    I hear this anime even forsakes the classic “both commit suicide” ending. How can you ruin the most important part?

  12. janae says:

    bastard.
    it was this wonderful story showed into a japanese fantasies light

  13. GidgetDigit says:

    Both Romeo and Juliet are incredibly whiny teenagers who prevent the storyline from progressing smoothly

    I burst out laughing when I read that. That’s what the original story’s about.

    I agree that the character are archetypal, but it’s very difficult to break the mold when using the general plot line of a Shakespeare play. No, it’s DEFINITELY NOT Shakespeare’s original story, but it certainly stays true to the insane love-at-first-sight and swordplay-crazy spirit of the play.

    It took me twenty-four freaking episodes to realize that the characters are supposed to be living on an island, floating in the sky.

    What.

    How many times did you watch the opening credits? It’s right there.

  14. . says:

    this is a pathetic review.
    you obviously don’t know anything about anime.
    sure, there were some boring parts, but i’d like to see you do better.

  15. 16 says:

    #15 YOU are fucking pathetic

    romeo and juliet had potential, and I thought juliet wasn’t that much of a damsel in distress…or maybe she is. whatever. it could have progressed well, but the tree shit ending was totally weird. I’d rather have something that tied to the beginning and the tree was stupid and out of the blue. Melodramatic sometimes too. Romeo was laughable and boring.

  16. Jenny says:

    Okay. Personally I love this anime. You made some good points….but still I found no parts of this boring. The tree part was beautiful and put a new spin on a Romeo and Juliet story. I think the whole thing was well thought out. No disrespect to your opinion though. We all like what we like. As for predictable….well not to me. I was shocked at each episode. The whole red whirlwind thing was nice, and added another new spin on things. It had humor, romance, action, tragedy, everything really. No disappointment here.

  17. DADADAM says:

    This anime is bullshit!!! I was hoping he killed juliet, get the seed from her and offer himself to the lady that can fly whats her name again operia??? that way he’d be the one enduring eternal torment I really wish for that shit I never got the tragic I wanted!!! crap crap crap
    one more thing I hated all the parts of it because romeo deserved the roll of juliet and vise versa I mean what the hell whats up with japanese anime whenever you talked about forbidden love its always the girl who has something different about her saikano, chobits, ef a tale of memories, ef a tale of melodies main plot yuko and that dude with glasses not the side of course, elflen lied, The ugly yet beautiful world, to Love ru, rosario vampire and a whole lot more not worthy to be mentioned and whats worst is that most of the time this jerks make the lead male characters powerless and thats what pisses me off the most

  18. Miss V says:

    Well, I’ve been reading through your reviews and found that our tastes are fairly similar…but I think we greatly differ on just about anything having to do with romance (you know, which isn’t actually surprising, since I’m a die-hard romantic)

    This reply is late, but I do have to say some things here that I believe you’ve missed.

    First, Romeo and Juliet (the original) is a tragic story about the idiocy of rivalries and how it can impact one’s family and how a young heart can’t understand hatred like that.

    In between that, we have some of the stupidest, and yet most heart-felt romantic prose Shakespeare has every written.

    Have you ever been in love? Like, that initial crazed infatuation where you seem to be interested in nothing but that other person? If you have, then you’ll get Romeo x Juliet. This is a shoujo, through and through. Every moment is classic, spurred on by sweeping orchestral music and that damn “you raise me up” song (who knew it wasn’t only about Jesus/yourdad/someoneyoudon’tdesperatelywanttobang!)

    Basically, what I’m saying is…the show suffered from trying to throw this big fantasy plot into a short time. It wasn’t exactly perfectly constructed and there was a lot of confusing points that made absolutely no sense. Not to mention that some of the relationships were just insane. Largely that Tybalt and Mercutio practically switched places. The more original characters were quite fantastic and pretty well developed.

    But my favorite part of the story is that despite how much he’s worked for his country and to become a better man, in the end, Romeo’s obsession with Juliet completely outweighs his desire to save his country. That ending is fantastic, because it shows how stupid and powerful love is. But in the end, things work out and all that, as always.

    Also, you seem to have forgotten that this story was largely focused on Juliet herself, who was a strong-willed, very original character. She’s a great shoujo heroine by the end, sacrificing herself for all the people she fought for.

    I have noticed a tendency in your reviews to be incredibly harsh towards shoujo, and I understand that it’s just your opinion…but just because you can’t buy the classic moments that build a story that makes a woman’s heart flutter, doesn’t mean that it’s trite and boring.

    All in All, RxJ is a classic shoujo tale, with great desire and despair, and a good mix of just squee happy moments. Ultimately endin in a sad, but satisfying moment. One of those “oh, they’ll be together forever” that make you feel better about everything going to hell.

    (for the record, there were eps that were SO boring. But damn, I loved Romeo’s mom. What an awesome woman.)

  19. TS says:

    Lol…why do so many people hate on kaze no stigma…i loved that series! It was definitely better than this one for sure O.o.

  20. Thresch says:

    I actually liked the anime, but I have to agree with the review. At the beginning, I thought “Wow, awesome!”. The middle-part was unnessecary, yes, but it was fine too I think.
    The ending was horrible.
    1.It didn’t make any sense. At first, Juliet wanted to sacrifice herself. Then she changed her mind. Then she changed her mind again. WTH?! Neither Ophelia nor Romeo had to die. ô_O

    2.It was soooo off-story, it felt like the story writers hadn’t had any ideas anymore. They just needed a reason to let them die.

    3.Felt Neo Verona down or not? It was just too confusing @____@

    I would have liked it much more if they stayed with the original version. Really, the ending was soooo horrible. It could have been such a great Anime T^T

  21. Lana says:

    I really, really loved this anime and I thought it was great. There were things left to be desired but over all I found it amazing. I really love the original play but I like how in this one they actually had to die to save everyone else instead of just being love-stricken kids who decide to commit suicide. I like the changes they made. They aren’t as good as the play, but most movies and shows that are based on books and plays are never as good as the original. It is an anime and a really great one and you just have to accept it for what it is. I agree it should have a more quotes from the play and I felt the balcony scene was not as good as it could have been but I found the rest really good! I found the music and animation beautiful and I thought the story was great. Although they did fall a little when they went to Romeo as the main character. Overall this is one of my favorites and I really loved it.

  22. Ran says:

    I know you guys have all your tastes. I noticed a great deal of you don’t like Romeo x Juliet. But I respect every single one of your opinion. No offense meant, but to be honest, you guys didn’t have to be so harsh… Well, there may be some few parts which aren’t so nice, but that doesn’t have to mean that you have to say all those stuff… Hey, and before you guys pass judgement, think about it… You weren’t the ones who had to go through all the effort and expenses just to make this anime… Have you even done something as producing your own show? You talk like you own it and say all you want when in truth, you haven’t even done anything like it…

  23. Maxia says:

    Y’ll are so DUMB. All of you who criticizes romeo x juliet. You definitely don’t know anything about anime! How could you ever judge an anime without knowing about the whole story?! How could you ever understand the whole story if you stopped watching it because you said it was boring?! You said, ever since you’ve watched the first part it was boring?! The hell you are thinking!

  24. secret says:

    5/10 stars it wasn’t anything special

  25. 〓∑v¡lz〓™ says:

    I don’t know what the sh¡t u’re talking but it’s absolutely crap! Who the hell gave u the right to criticize about this anime! Can u even draw an anime? if u didn’t like it u don’t have to watch it and WTF this review for!

  26. Solaris says:

    @user #26 with the weird nick: If you don’t like here you can simply get lost far away. :D

  27. Tiff says:

    I finished watching and I must say, it was predictable but I still enjoyed it.
    I do not know Gonzo well but I watched simply because I loved Shakespeare.
    I loved how they cared about the people and everything and how they tried so hard to balance their love at the same time.
    Anyway, I admit this anime is not particularly interesting but after watching it, it gave me an enlightened feeling and made me want to love and be loved.
    Romeo and Juliet, suteki da ne!

  28. Tiff says:

    OMG, I COMMENTED BEFORE READING OTHER COMMENTS SO NOW I’M COMMENTING AGAIN!
    Can everyone stop being so hateful towards others that don’t have the same opinion?!
    Yes, some found it boring, some found it good but well, it’s drama, it can only ally half the world and no more!
    RELAX EVERYONE ):

  29. Sumire says:

    I completely agree with Miss V. It’s a shoujo anime, what do you expect? Blood everywhere like BLEACH? Uh, no. It’s aimed at ten-to-eighteen-year-old girls who are in love with the romance genre, like me.

    And personally, I liked the Escalus tree and Red Whirlwind-subplots. It added more drama into the story, and that’s what I like to watch. And, honestly, I like this more than the original play, actually. Not to offend anyone, but I find this much more interesting than the real thing. Call me crazy all you want.

    So, that’s just my two cents. Didn’t mean to offend anyone/thing, and I respect all your opinions, but mine is that this has to be one of my favorite animes. I really wish that Romeo and Juliet didn’t die and it would go on for just a little longer.

  30. Superbad says:

    If this review was shown on youtube then the reviewer would surely get the title “the biggest retard of the century.” Seriously, I don’t see the big deal y you motherfucker hate this anime over some lame acion shits. At least here, it shows you what love is, if you don’t appreciate it, then SCREW you.

    Well, I know that not all people have the same taste but this review is just pathetic. For all who think that Shakespeare would be crawling under his grave, then Alexandre Dumas would do the same when they made that 2002 Monte Cristo movie. Because they ARE adaptions, no matter however things change are not mainly important, as long as the plot is great then it matters. The plot of RxJ maybe boring to some but at least Gonzo still kept some parts of the original.

    Heh! Even if there’re people disliking this anime, they are just a bunch of anonymous fools, Romeo x Juliet is still undeniably one of the best-acclaimed works of Gonzo.

  31. Superbad says:

    Oh, I forgot, this review isn’t worth reading, that motherfucker of a reviewer is only judge the characters while (s)he doesn’t understand anything about the whole thing. How pathetic and ameteurish!

    Instead of reading this garbage, people should read reviews done by professional writers not some good-for-nothing.

  32. Me says:

    Okay I’ll be honest. It did get boring but as a person who loves watching anime I couldn’t skip any episode. So in the anime the roles of Romeo and Juiliet were switched if anyone of you who didnt caught that. I was expecting for Tibalt to get killed somehow but Gonzo never had him die. The ending was beautiful instead of the cliche of the tragic ending. The first couple episodes were the most interesting and cute. Overall it had beautiful animation. I would recommend this to anyone who love spinoffs of Romeo and Juiliet. But to those who may hate it give it a chance watch an episode a day to yearn for more.

  33. Yeah! says:

    Fuck all the haters, do you even know the meaning behind this anime? If you don’t, then you’re a born retard.

    And the reviewer should eat shit, suck cock and die. That will make 2011 a better year. Your reviews are all suck. What about the art, sound and such? Worthless piece of shit of a review in history.

  34. otakugirltoo says:

    hi.. i just wanna say that romeo x juliet is a good anime to watch.. the balcuny scene really made me cry.. of course each of us knows what love is, i must say, though its not as good as any other anime, this is just worth watching..

  35. Meow says:

    this anime was only LOOSELY based on “Romeo and Juliet” by Shakespeare…just think of this anime as an anime completely separate from the original play…most of you guys are saying that this anime sucks because it’s not like the original play…forget about the play…just watch the actual anime! ahaha

  36. Animefan000 says:

    I haven’t gone through most of RxJ yet, getting there. Though not my top favorite anime series, I actually found it enjoyable, more so than the actual play.

    I don’t really care if it was terrible or not, everyone has different tastes in anime.

  37. o0kittylover0o says:

    I completely disagree with this review…

    I guess you have to be a Shakespeare fan to really appreciate this anime, because when I saw it, what I saw was a genius masterpiece.
    They went above and beyond to actually flesh out the story, make it their own, and add in references and characters from Shakespeare’s other works for the benefit of a true Shakespeare enthusiast.

    And I think you didn’t quite understand the enormity of the world they lived on… it was a giant CONTINENT floating in the sky, probably around the size of Australia or bigger. And they did travel in the series, quite far and didn’t reach the edge.

    This anime was brilliant. ‘Nuff said.

  38. jm says:

    i watch a lot of anime and this certainly one of the best love story anime series,. although the ending is a little bit disappointing,even if this is Shakespeare’s work,.they should have to change the ending,all the hard works the two couple did..I think they deserve a Happy ending,..If Im not mistaken out of 24 episodes only 1 episode that they spend time together and the rest only last for 30secs..

  39. Mitars says:

    I started watching this anime cuz I read that it is a really romantic anime.
    The first episodes were quite interesting to watch but afterwards my motivation for this series got less and less. I was happy when I reached the last episode and saw some romantic by keeping their vow in life and death. The part with the “tree spirit” and the magical tree felt really weird to me; it just didnt fit in this story. Another thing are the characters, in my opinion there are just to many secondary characters in this anime; characters which are just showing sometimes but are mostly unimportant. If it were just a love story btw the two lovers and the conflict btw their families it would have been a great story but like this I just didnt feel much romantic nor I think that Im gonna rewatch this ever again. Kinda disappointed me :d

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Kaiser-Eoghan
I can generally come up with an opinion for what I follow/watch/read , but I don't really have one on kokkuu.
KTravlos
Well we watched the first episode of Kokkuku. Interesting. The ED theme is quite the fanservice.
SuperMario
@Ktravlos: If your like to check out some other shows this season then I'd definitely recommend After the Rain.
SuperMario
@KTravlos: at least Kino is thought-provoking. I can't say the same for Violet Evergarden. In fact I remain skeptical with VE
KTravlos
I am quite enjoying both Violet Evergarden and Mahoutsukai. Violet gives me similar vibes to the first Kio series, though obviously Kino was a better series.
SuperWooper
EPIC post, anon!
Anonymous1825128
Of course, as ardent fans of anime, the writers of this site would not deign to agree or even entertain the idea that their passion is no longer the same artisanal endeavor it once was.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Oh. Actually surprised I forgot about that. Yeah, when it comes to something being described as edgy I think Goblin Slayer fits that definition perfectly.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, You can still throw down your take if you want.
Anonymous1824209
AidanAK47 - Or the women shields.
Lenlo
You know, sometimes I dont regret forgetting about this chatbox. Missing the "anime is dying" conversation? One of those times
AidanAK47
Oh, Goblin Slayer is getting an anime adaption. I was rather lukewarm on it but I wonder how the anime is going to handle the rather unsavoury aspects. Like the rape. Lots and lots of rape.
AidanAK47
I remember the last guy said he would make a chart and I thought it was a brillent idea as at least something useful could come out of this old dead horse. Then his chart turned out to be a useless jpeg with series thrown to the left or right.
AidanAK47
It does stir up conversation but it's really just the same conversation repeated. I remember stating the exact same points Nayrael and Bokusen are saying around a year ago when this last came up.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Indeed Ratings are subjective but it would at least be a general mainstream consensus of the quality of anime over the years. Not final but at least it's better evidence than one persons general assumption. And other factors are impossible to quaitify.
Nayrael
A good parody of the "Anime back then and now - what happened? meme (if the links are not blocked here): https://i.imgur.com/JZqxz6f.jpg
Nayrael
Not to mention that back in the olden days you didn't see every Anime that aired. Official translators and fansubbers selected the best stuff, which resulted in you seeing the best shows and never even knowing about the shit-tier shows.
Bokusen
I think that people who say "anime is dying" are just getting too nostalgic. It's easy to remember the hit series from earlier seasons. It's less easy to remember all the forgettable generic series that you dropped after 1 episode, and so anime tends to "seem better" back then because of people's tendency towards selective memory.
Anonymous1820731
Why are there more bad anime? Because there are more anime being made. That means the good ones are buried under the lots of bad ones. But saying "anime is dying" from that is like saying "music is dead because I don't like Britney Spears." Why does this conversation always come up, its obvious conversation bait.
Anonymous1820589
@Aidan: You are the first to obsess over the fact that reviews are subjective. And since they're subjective, looking at anime 'ratings' over time does nothing to gauge the measure of effort and artistic talent that goes into making anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which I got my answer by the way.
SuperWooper
>average review scores
What do those have to do with whether anime is "dying" or not? You'd need to look at the money.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Want to add that I agree with both you and Aidan, only brought up those two topics back there because I wanted to know what shows now will be popular in the future.
SuperMario
I'm on the side of Aidan regarding to this. For me it's not neccessary means the anime industry has become "better" or "worse", it's just that it takes new shape and trends and based on the number of anime produced, the industry isn't going down soon
AidanAK47
Am I really going to draft up a chart gathering average review scores of the past 25 years just t shut up this talk of anime dying?
But even if I did that won't toss aside this nonsense.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know this is complete guesswork.
AidanAK47
Plus the industry is dying? Bloody hell, we got major companies FUNDING anime. Streaming services and more anime coming out that ever before. You can argue that this new anime is weaker but honestly it's just misguided. It takes time but great shows are still coming out. Just like back then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well thats kind of what I meant, what, when passage of time comes into it are going to end up being classic based on that, speculatively speaking.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats probably a much better way of phrasing it, inheriting mantles. I'm going to say that promised neverland is presently along with Titan a BIG modern shounen.
AidanAK47
Anyway my point is that the shows of the past, the so called classics, are just as flawed as the shows of today. It is only through the passage of time that they become classics. When Stein;Gate finished airing, I seen no one call it a classic. Same goes for Madoka and Fate/Zero. Now, you have people putting up the pedestals.
AidanAK47
Though if anything has inherited the Shounen mantle, it's likely Boku no hero.
AidanAK47
There is no big three Shounen and that's honestly for the best. Because in generally the declining aspect of Naruto and Bleach was mainly due to the pressure on the mangaka to put out chapters on a weekly basis. In fact it's pretty much the primary factor in Bleachs decline.
AidanAK47
Bebop is great but even it is hit and miss by nature. Doubt many remember much about the casino episode and the Alien spoof episode is likely not anyone's favorite. Eva is massively flawed but no one wants to admit it due to the massive amount of praise it receives and influence it has on the industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But what is the new big three shounen?
AidanAK47
If we go further back to DBZ, that has tons of issues with filler, dragging out episodes, animation shortcuts, and even complaints of it doing the same thing over and over again with it's story. No to mention the underutilised cast and the everlasting act up putting Goku on a greater pedestal.
AidanAK47
But let us dissect this viewpoint of yours. You claim the Shouen-jump canon as a great, guessing that refers to the shounen big three. But aside from One piece, the other two are emmensily flawed. Naruto is 50% filler and Bleach drops seriously in quality after soul society.
AidanAK47
Also Fate series is trash? That definitely seems aimed at me. What first series are you referring to? Fate/Zero, Fate/Stay Night 2006? Fate/UTW? The same thing over and over again? Sure each series has a holy grail war, but none of them every turned out the same. I am more than willing to admit that the spinoff series outside of the main canon are lesser. Calling them trash however is hyperbole.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Not this crap again. The old "Anime isn't as good as it used to be", how many times have I heard that over the years, and each and every time it proves more untrue.
Kaiser-Eoghan
One point I'm trying to get at is, I don't get throwing the word bad taste around when I know I was probably in the same position as that other fan years ago.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Another thing, for shows we talk up and obviously I've been just as guilty of this, how many of these am I going to be able to recite off by heart years down the line?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't like Madoka but thats a good example of a modern classic that'll keep in peoples minds, people still care.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*its a
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: The reason I want to see a new show become a modern classic is because I'm tired of this "fleeting masterpiece" way of thinking, where I a show is super popular during the season and gets talked up as if it'll stick in the mind years on, then weeks later it disappears from memory.
Anonymous1819907
And anime watchers tend to be attracted to series that are just plain boring. The Fate franchise is case and point. The same thing over and over again. It really is a disgrace, to be honest--in my opinion. The first series was great, and I look forward to the movie. But everything in between is trash. But they still get the views, since people are sheep.
Anonymous1819907
The shonen-jump canon, shows like bebop and eva were huge in their time. The industry is just not the same--it's really dying. There isn't the same desire to blow shows up like there used to be. Shonen jump is still at it, but those shows are rarely worth watching, even if they're popular
Anonymous1819907
its a good anime, but it doesn't have the same staying power since it was not an entire industry
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry for the long post, I want to get people talking again here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would love for this to happen with, say, made in Abyss, that becoming a show that we remember decades from now and still talk about.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Something else I want to bring up, what shows do you all REALLY believe will still be talked about in the future . Bebop and Eva still come up regularly to this day, what new shows do you think will become big classics.
Kaiser-Eoghan
To base taste on things you watched ages ago doesn't really work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I bring that up because I remember a comment somewhere I read that said, the people who trashed guilty crown, forget geass was 10 years ago and if guilty crown had came out back then instead of geass they would have embraced it instead at the time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the bad taste thing, I could easily say Mahouka or sword art are terrible, but back when I watched and loved code geass people where probably bashing it as overhyped shit in the same way people like to do with sword art/mahouka now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I sure years ago I would have been all over violet evergarden.
Kaiser-Eoghan
For example most anime/manga melodrama has lost its effect on me, I hate Clannad and Kanon now and I won't watch the new code geass season because I want to crop it and death note both up to a teenage error and mistake.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And in some cases it only takes five or so years.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If not that, it’s the show no one gave a shit about that you loved or it’s a recent gem.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And it hit me, the stuff you often end up loving, becoming a measure of your true taste, in my case at least are the re-discoveries, the show you HATED or didn’t get the first time round, maybe you watched it again soon after or years later, but then it does something for you that tops anything you watched in your early days.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Then I remember theres a huge amount of big shounens I never cared for and popular writers that I never liked or if I did found somewhat overated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Given that I’m in my thirties and have been watching anime, reading manga since I was 11, that’s led to a very very large re-watch list, something things I will NEVER get the time to go back to re-assess , for all I know they could actually be terrible series. Then there’s when I DO go back on shows and let’s face it most DON’T hold up (of course its good when they do hold up).
Kaiser-Eoghan
This has been on my back/mind for a bit now, to where I’m actually somewhat confused by this “tastes” thing in relation to myself.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Out of nowhere comment don't you think? Besides it ain't that I have perfect taste. It's just that my taste is the only one that matters.
Anonymous1819624
@Aidan you don't need to keep pretending you have perfect taste in anime. we are all aware your taste is often questionable, as all of ours are at times.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its kind of a pity because there were moments where I saw potential in it and thought maybe this would be some kind of exception.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But to more calmly review this, I do think its possible to present topics like this, though in a more accessible way, I think even someone more versed in this would be bothered by this presentation, in addition to this manga never flowing properly, the dialogue just feels it was ripped directly from an article or book.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I suppose in all fairness, its right to say I never studied any of these subjects in much detail that it brings up and never did anything sciencey for more than two years at school so I was probably doomed from the start.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know the expected response to what I said there is "why do you read/continue to read things you know you won't like" but if I don't come out of my comfort zone theres no chance of me being surprised.
AidanAK47
Hehe..well Kaiser, I don't remember saying it was good. I just said it was an insane ride. I found its concept interesting but the presentation was just terrible.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry for ranting but this makes my blood absolutely seethe and boil.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I got to the last two chapters and just stopped caring, the info dumping, the multiple lives thing, especially the my own father/mother thing and magical girl part....fuck...
Kaiser-Eoghan
And yes I'm talking about Qualia....this...was....abject...punishing headwrecking agony to read.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Okay fuck it, just fuck it, I refuse, absolutely refuse to touch anything involving many worlds interpretation, time travel, shared memory,multiple runthroughs/loops ever again under any any circumstances, this is the worst form of storytelling I can possibly sit through from my perspective , I cannot finish this its impossible.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've given away/sold/thrown out anime/manga before, including figures and posters while keeping others , can't remember off hand, but it was to free space.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Together we make....tiger and dragon....Toradora =O
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: To be clearer, any interesting series/films they threw out?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Anything else interesting they threw out?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I'm year of the tiger, Aidan is year of the dragon.
SuperMario
And today is the Lunar New Year, happy new year guys! It's a year of the Dog so for those who is born in the year of the Dog... my condolenses since it is supposed to be your bad luck year
SuperMario
I think they move away so they just throw all their dvds there. There were other live action movies and series in there
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Strange that if he truly didn't want it that he never decided to just sell it.
SuperMario
@Aidan: I tested it and all of the DVDs are playable. The package includes the whole show and the movie. Not a scratch either
Kaiser-Eoghan
pppftt, not leaving it in the trash and instead going out and getting the blurays instead =P
Lenlo
Ha, shouldnt be surprised you read it to
AidanAK47
Everytime I read a newly translated Re:Zero chapter I just hunger for a new anime season. The latest chapter would be fantastic animated
AidanAK47
@Mario, Maybe the discs got scratched and the don't work anymore? Otherwise this is blasphemy if the highest degree.
SuperMario
Don't know how should I feel about that :))
SuperMario
Can you believe it? Someone in my apartment just threw away the Cowboy Bebop boxset. Normally I don't pick up someone's trash but it's a crime NOT TO in this case. %$^&&
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will hearby read Murasakiro Qualia!
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Very good voice casting decision with hourou musuko, the voice actor for the protaganist was an actual 14 year old and sounds kind of androgynous anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it comes as no surprise for me if the mangaka of Housou Musuko is a lesbian, since the show has a honest feeling if someone who actually experience those issues
Kaiser-Eoghan
So that probably came after or something.
Kaiser-Eoghan
None of those episodes 30 involved this ant-arc Aidan mentioned as I recall.
Bokusen
0_o What the heck...It must take a long while to get good then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
All I was told by a hunter x hunter fan on here was after I said I'd watched 30 episodes was "I wonder if the next arc will change your mind"
Bokusen
Does Hunter x Hunter really take 40 eps to get good? I've been thinking of watching it since I really liked YYH & it's the same mangaka. I got hooked on YYH by episode 7, but if HxH takes 40 eps to hook me I might get tired of it before then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And in some cases it can represent an temporary escape from the self.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As an odd, maybe interesting relevant point, in some cases, well I think most a non-mtf , both a physical and psychological male, if they wear female clothing, the body reacts as if its like contact with a woman.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Or for a very old manga on that theme: http://mangakakalot.com/chapter/claudine/chapter_0
Kaiser-Eoghan
The anime worked suprisingly well despite the decision to start in the middle.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As much as I absoslutely love hourou musuko I do need to raise some flaws with the manga, the ending is rushed and underveloped and it is true the characters are too precocious.
Anonymous1811397
Is very slow, and I did reach a point of feeling nothing was happening. I did like the anime pacing things faster. Also like with the anime Aoi Hana it did have a poignant line. In Aoi Hana was the response to the tomboy that wanted to reengage with the MC, and in Hourou Musuko was coming out with his girlfriend.
Anonymous1811397
@SuperMario - Yep, it's maybe the most innocent yet mature take on transgender themes I've seen on a manga. I like it also tackles both genders, since we see women can wear more masculine clothing and be fine with it, but a man doing it is still weird, and unfitting. Also I think it's also the first time I've seen someone going to a catholic church to pray in a japanese setting. However, the manga
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although I was reading Qualia as it was being translated then fell behind, something that needs to be read in one go probably.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*musuko
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I believe the author of hourou mysuko is a lesbian.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I believe that was discussed on here some years back between myself, you and wicked and how the manga could alienate readers with the sciencey dialogue.
AidanAK47
So I read a manga called Murasakiiro no Qualia. And boy, that was one insane ride.
SuperMario
it addresses such a touchy theme with so much grace
SuperMario
boy, just one episode into Housou Musuko and I already fall head over heels for it. Only one issue is the character designs are kinda similar, which took me quite a bit to follow the cast
SuperWooper
Hey, anon. ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel there's too much pressure on people to watch the "YOU HAVE TO WATCH" because its popular anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just comparing level Es art to hunter x hunter shows how he isn't playing at his A-game with Hunters artwork.
SuperMario
I hated John Wick 2. The plot is just an excuse for too much dull action
SuperMario
Holy cow
SuperMario
If I follow Hunter x hunter one episode a day quota for everyday, I'll finish it in... 5 months
AidanAK47
Oh found Fate/Strange Fake Translated. Got my reading materail for the week.
AidanAK47
His drawing can get rather lazy as well. The chimera ant arc manga artwork really looks like he isn't even trying.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Apparently the hunter x hunter writer takes alot of breaks/hiatus' from working on the manga. You'd be waiting a while after catching up.
AidanAK47
Like it was building for a greater confrontation but the author got bored and decided to cut the arc short.
AidanAK47
@Anon, It may take a bigger investment than that for it to truly grab you. Truth be told I don't hold the series as highly as others do. I just found it fine while I thought the chimera ant arc was the best the show had to offer but was still a bit disappointing. Honestly every arc basically felt like it ended anticlimactically.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Teppu and shamo should be adapted .
Kaiser-Eoghan
So you're telling me that when that cgi city fell to ruin we see NO-ONE die? lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
The problem with PG 13 action is the lack of consequence.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I actually preferred it, expanded somewhat on the first, better action when it happens and looked more polished.
Anonymous1808795
is john wick2 as good as the 1st one ?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd be well well up for a non-supernatural martial arts manga/anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'll never understand people going apeshit over superhero action films when John wick 2 and Hardboiled and the killer exist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
A physical fight feels more raw and exciting to me rather than magic .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think I'm far far too into Kung-fu/heroic bloodshed/wuxia/politizitesschi/spaghetti westerns to get anything out of superpower action stuff for the most part.
Anonymous1808795
but its so highly rated everywhere, probably gonna try to watch a coulple more eps
Anonymous1808795
2011 version
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember a heart being ripped out in an earlier chapter if I recall correctly.
AidanAK47
@Anon, 2011 or 1999 version?
Your mileage may vary. Hunter X Hunter is rather standard Shounen up until the Phantom trope arc. But even then it's still Shounen with some small interesting twists.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I just stopped, even when I was younger I found shounen jump stuff impossible to connect with.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've been told I need to watch at least 40 episodes, I got through thirty, I liked Hisoka at least and it kind of feels seinen-y with the violence I guess?
Anonymous1808795
is hunter x hunter worth it ? im 5 episodes in and it feels like generic shounen stuff
AidanAK47
Candy and Cigarettes, great opening chapter. Please don't start to suck.
Anonymous1803500
Yuri on ice made it to the olympics lol. Definitely needs a second season now
Kaiser-Eoghan
I do think you've put alot on your plate with this but good luck with it all.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The reason I go into detail with that long post Mario, is that I want to prepare you before you start watching and also so you know whats worth watching or not.
Lenlo
Pfft, have fun Mario with all 146 episodes of HunterxHunter for your retrospective
KTravlos
I really do like the development of Mahoutsukai no Yome
Anonymous1802232
Im so glad this back on
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Tiger & Bunny is indeed getting second season. I'm currently burning through shows from Qualifying List so you'll hear my thoughts on some of those shows you just mentioned soon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Need to get used to posting these long messages in the comments section instead.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised with how the supernatural anime adaptation was able to make the stories flow despite halving the tv dramas episode runtimes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will watch kaiji SOMEDAY.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I always thought there'd be a second tiger and bunny season but it never materialized, which was diasspointing.
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