Posted by psgels on 6 December 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews


Gonzo… on one hand they search the borders of anime and storytelling, and work with greatly original premises…

… and on the other hand, we have this; generic premises that only stand out in their mediocrity. While others may have loved it, all I saw was a dull, predictable story and annoying characters. For this series, the people from Gonzo decided to bring their own version of the classic by Shakespeare, but this series might also just as well be called “Pete X Catherine”, because the only similarities are the names of the characters. Oh, and the Capulets and the Montagues are still mortal enemies.

This is another anime that suffers from the “bad main-character-syndrome”, as I’d like to call it. Both Romeo and Juliet are incredibly whiny teenagers who prevent the storyline from progressing smoothly, and instead they force the series to delve in cheesy and naive morals. Their relationship starts out nicely, but once they’re in love, their relationship starts behaving like that of a bad soap-opera, with excessive amounts of “I love you but I can’t stay with you”. Predictably, the ending for the series is a horrible one, where characters have convenient increases of powers for the sake of storytelling, complete with some screwed-up physics.

In terms of storytelling, this series also leaves much to be desired. It took me twenty-four freaking episodes to realize that the characters are supposed to be living on an island, floating in the sky. If that wasn’t bad enough, the characters themselves didn’t even know this. I mean, why was there nobody who would have thought at one point: “gee, I hate it here; why don’t I just travel to a very distant place and see what happens?” It doesn’t make any sense.

I’ve said this before; the best people from Gonzo were definitely working on Bokura no during the spring-season. The writers failed completely to make me care about the characters and setting, due to poor writing. These guys need to learn that lots of angst and drama don’t necessarily make a great anime; well fleshed-out characters are much more important.

40 Responses

  1. kiseki gurl says:

    I don’t want to be too biased but this is GONZO. Generally they either make classics (Gankutsuou) or crap (Kaze no Stigma, Dragonaut etc.). However, I found Romeo x Juliet to be flat in the middle because while it wasn’t anything wonderful it was tolerable and somewhat enjoyable to me. Well most of the time anyways.

  2. Ivy says:

    Oh I loved this show. I’m just glad they tried to do something a little new, I mean it avoided being completely predictable we gotta give them that right? I’m talking about the tree side-plot lol (it might seem silly and tacked on but I rather liked it) OH and I thought the ending was extremely beautiful especially since Gonzo love ending their shows explosively. All in all I loved it, no matter how chessy it got it’ll always have a special place in my heart, as the show that Gonzo finally was able to deliver in and then some hee. (I thought Bokurano was horrid for the most part really, sorry)

  3. L.A says:

    Sure, there were some boring and unnecessary parts through middle and some of the characters were wasted, but I think things went pretty well in the end. And some beginning parts were definitely enjoyable to watch.
    And though I never liked Juliet, but Romeo was quite cute comparing with the original Romeo…..so I thought overall it was a good series.
    And no offense, but I personally liked RomeoxJuliet much more than Bokura no.
    The biggest problem I had with Bokura no was that simply it wasn’t entertaining to watch. Every episode just made me feel miserable and depressing (although that was what creators??intended to) and at some point, I felt that the plot just went too far to an extension that I don’t care any more.

  4. Doughnut says:

    I found this series started out quite well, it was enjoyable to watch the first 10 episodes maybe, but I completely lost interest afterwards. The tree sideplot was absolutely awful, I think if they chopped out that whole concept and knocked it down to 20 episodes it could’ve been great.
    The quality of the animation throughout the series is definately not stable, some of it was awful around the middle.
    I’m not sure I agree about Bokurano, I only watched up to around episode 8 of that and found it awfully slow, it bored me. I might consider reading it sometime though.

  5. charlie says:

    Wow.

    I never thought I’d say this…

    But I completely agree with you on this review! To me, Romeo X Juliet was the biggest disappointment of last season. All the characters were one-dimensional and much more interesting in the play. The producers basically took the premise of Romeo and Juliet, and literally screwed up everything. The anime could of been done in 13 episodes, all the middle episodes were mindless filler. The character designs were bland, as well as the animation. I honestly didn’t believe the romance and it all felt fake to me. Not one single character in the anime was better then it’s play counterpart.

    The story never went anywhere…I was expecting a lot more out of this anime, but it didn’t live up to these expectations.

  6. Avisch says:

    charlie:

    Same opinion here. The original play is better than this 24 episode wannabe (thankfully I stopped watching after episode 14).

    Whoever decided on the plot should have been smacked from the beginning.

    Overall GONZO created what was not supposed to be a supreme cliche of a anime adaption of a 17th century play.

  7. Issu says:

    I third the agreement in this one failing for me.

    Just to back up what Charlie said, I DID in fact skip all the middle of this series. I watched maybe the first 4 episodes of this series and the last three, and I have to say if I can get every character and the entirety of went on with just that much its kinda sad how much of the show was filler. Given, I’d say knowing the original story helped me understand the end, but considering how far-off and obscure it went from the original, I’d say it made no difference.

    I can’t even imagine what it must’ve been like to have to watch everything else in between. I’m only sorry you had to waste your time getting through the rest of it where I only got the beginning and end. And what the heck WAS that ending about?… Oi, very frustrating to watch.

  8. crintodesu says:

    i just accept everything… if u think like that everything is good. so overall it didn’t really disapoint me..

    so what.. did they both become the two parts of the “tree” or some shit?

  9. nahrub says:

    don’t get me wrong… i love cheese, but this show is just too cheesy. i stoped watching after 9 episodes… too painful. eye-catching though… beautiful animation, great action, but it’s just too cheesy.

  10. Noelle says:

    In some way I DO agree with you… I thought the anime started off pretty well… But after a while it does get boring and dull. No to mention, characters such as Juliet gets on my nerves. Same here, couldn’t take too much angst and drama, around 3-4 episodes is enough, but not… half of the anime series… But anyway, I admit, I DO like the ending, but sadly, it didn’t end up ‘matching’ the anime.

  11. Denizen says:

    I hear this anime even forsakes the classic “both commit suicide” ending. How can you ruin the most important part?

  12. janae says:

    bastard.
    it was this wonderful story showed into a japanese fantasies light

  13. GidgetDigit says:

    Both Romeo and Juliet are incredibly whiny teenagers who prevent the storyline from progressing smoothly

    I burst out laughing when I read that. That’s what the original story’s about.

    I agree that the character are archetypal, but it’s very difficult to break the mold when using the general plot line of a Shakespeare play. No, it’s DEFINITELY NOT Shakespeare’s original story, but it certainly stays true to the insane love-at-first-sight and swordplay-crazy spirit of the play.

    It took me twenty-four freaking episodes to realize that the characters are supposed to be living on an island, floating in the sky.

    What.

    How many times did you watch the opening credits? It’s right there.

  14. . says:

    this is a pathetic review.
    you obviously don’t know anything about anime.
    sure, there were some boring parts, but i’d like to see you do better.

  15. 16 says:

    #15 YOU are fucking pathetic

    romeo and juliet had potential, and I thought juliet wasn’t that much of a damsel in distress…or maybe she is. whatever. it could have progressed well, but the tree shit ending was totally weird. I’d rather have something that tied to the beginning and the tree was stupid and out of the blue. Melodramatic sometimes too. Romeo was laughable and boring.

  16. Jenny says:

    Okay. Personally I love this anime. You made some good points….but still I found no parts of this boring. The tree part was beautiful and put a new spin on a Romeo and Juliet story. I think the whole thing was well thought out. No disrespect to your opinion though. We all like what we like. As for predictable….well not to me. I was shocked at each episode. The whole red whirlwind thing was nice, and added another new spin on things. It had humor, romance, action, tragedy, everything really. No disappointment here.

  17. DADADAM says:

    This anime is bullshit!!! I was hoping he killed juliet, get the seed from her and offer himself to the lady that can fly whats her name again operia??? that way he’d be the one enduring eternal torment I really wish for that shit I never got the tragic I wanted!!! crap crap crap
    one more thing I hated all the parts of it because romeo deserved the roll of juliet and vise versa I mean what the hell whats up with japanese anime whenever you talked about forbidden love its always the girl who has something different about her saikano, chobits, ef a tale of memories, ef a tale of melodies main plot yuko and that dude with glasses not the side of course, elflen lied, The ugly yet beautiful world, to Love ru, rosario vampire and a whole lot more not worthy to be mentioned and whats worst is that most of the time this jerks make the lead male characters powerless and thats what pisses me off the most

  18. Miss V says:

    Well, I’ve been reading through your reviews and found that our tastes are fairly similar…but I think we greatly differ on just about anything having to do with romance (you know, which isn’t actually surprising, since I’m a die-hard romantic)

    This reply is late, but I do have to say some things here that I believe you’ve missed.

    First, Romeo and Juliet (the original) is a tragic story about the idiocy of rivalries and how it can impact one’s family and how a young heart can’t understand hatred like that.

    In between that, we have some of the stupidest, and yet most heart-felt romantic prose Shakespeare has every written.

    Have you ever been in love? Like, that initial crazed infatuation where you seem to be interested in nothing but that other person? If you have, then you’ll get Romeo x Juliet. This is a shoujo, through and through. Every moment is classic, spurred on by sweeping orchestral music and that damn “you raise me up” song (who knew it wasn’t only about Jesus/yourdad/someoneyoudon’tdesperatelywanttobang!)

    Basically, what I’m saying is…the show suffered from trying to throw this big fantasy plot into a short time. It wasn’t exactly perfectly constructed and there was a lot of confusing points that made absolutely no sense. Not to mention that some of the relationships were just insane. Largely that Tybalt and Mercutio practically switched places. The more original characters were quite fantastic and pretty well developed.

    But my favorite part of the story is that despite how much he’s worked for his country and to become a better man, in the end, Romeo’s obsession with Juliet completely outweighs his desire to save his country. That ending is fantastic, because it shows how stupid and powerful love is. But in the end, things work out and all that, as always.

    Also, you seem to have forgotten that this story was largely focused on Juliet herself, who was a strong-willed, very original character. She’s a great shoujo heroine by the end, sacrificing herself for all the people she fought for.

    I have noticed a tendency in your reviews to be incredibly harsh towards shoujo, and I understand that it’s just your opinion…but just because you can’t buy the classic moments that build a story that makes a woman’s heart flutter, doesn’t mean that it’s trite and boring.

    All in All, RxJ is a classic shoujo tale, with great desire and despair, and a good mix of just squee happy moments. Ultimately endin in a sad, but satisfying moment. One of those “oh, they’ll be together forever” that make you feel better about everything going to hell.

    (for the record, there were eps that were SO boring. But damn, I loved Romeo’s mom. What an awesome woman.)

  19. TS says:

    Lol…why do so many people hate on kaze no stigma…i loved that series! It was definitely better than this one for sure O.o.

  20. Thresch says:

    I actually liked the anime, but I have to agree with the review. At the beginning, I thought “Wow, awesome!”. The middle-part was unnessecary, yes, but it was fine too I think.
    The ending was horrible.
    1.It didn’t make any sense. At first, Juliet wanted to sacrifice herself. Then she changed her mind. Then she changed her mind again. WTH?! Neither Ophelia nor Romeo had to die. ô_O

    2.It was soooo off-story, it felt like the story writers hadn’t had any ideas anymore. They just needed a reason to let them die.

    3.Felt Neo Verona down or not? It was just too confusing @____@

    I would have liked it much more if they stayed with the original version. Really, the ending was soooo horrible. It could have been such a great Anime T^T

  21. Lana says:

    I really, really loved this anime and I thought it was great. There were things left to be desired but over all I found it amazing. I really love the original play but I like how in this one they actually had to die to save everyone else instead of just being love-stricken kids who decide to commit suicide. I like the changes they made. They aren’t as good as the play, but most movies and shows that are based on books and plays are never as good as the original. It is an anime and a really great one and you just have to accept it for what it is. I agree it should have a more quotes from the play and I felt the balcony scene was not as good as it could have been but I found the rest really good! I found the music and animation beautiful and I thought the story was great. Although they did fall a little when they went to Romeo as the main character. Overall this is one of my favorites and I really loved it.

  22. Ran says:

    I know you guys have all your tastes. I noticed a great deal of you don’t like Romeo x Juliet. But I respect every single one of your opinion. No offense meant, but to be honest, you guys didn’t have to be so harsh… Well, there may be some few parts which aren’t so nice, but that doesn’t have to mean that you have to say all those stuff… Hey, and before you guys pass judgement, think about it… You weren’t the ones who had to go through all the effort and expenses just to make this anime… Have you even done something as producing your own show? You talk like you own it and say all you want when in truth, you haven’t even done anything like it…

  23. Maxia says:

    Y’ll are so DUMB. All of you who criticizes romeo x juliet. You definitely don’t know anything about anime! How could you ever judge an anime without knowing about the whole story?! How could you ever understand the whole story if you stopped watching it because you said it was boring?! You said, ever since you’ve watched the first part it was boring?! The hell you are thinking!

  24. secret says:

    5/10 stars it wasn’t anything special

  25. 〓∑v¡lz〓™ says:

    I don’t know what the sh¡t u’re talking but it’s absolutely crap! Who the hell gave u the right to criticize about this anime! Can u even draw an anime? if u didn’t like it u don’t have to watch it and WTF this review for!

  26. Solaris says:

    @user #26 with the weird nick: If you don’t like here you can simply get lost far away. :D

  27. Tiff says:

    I finished watching and I must say, it was predictable but I still enjoyed it.
    I do not know Gonzo well but I watched simply because I loved Shakespeare.
    I loved how they cared about the people and everything and how they tried so hard to balance their love at the same time.
    Anyway, I admit this anime is not particularly interesting but after watching it, it gave me an enlightened feeling and made me want to love and be loved.
    Romeo and Juliet, suteki da ne!

  28. Tiff says:

    OMG, I COMMENTED BEFORE READING OTHER COMMENTS SO NOW I’M COMMENTING AGAIN!
    Can everyone stop being so hateful towards others that don’t have the same opinion?!
    Yes, some found it boring, some found it good but well, it’s drama, it can only ally half the world and no more!
    RELAX EVERYONE ):

  29. Sumire says:

    I completely agree with Miss V. It’s a shoujo anime, what do you expect? Blood everywhere like BLEACH? Uh, no. It’s aimed at ten-to-eighteen-year-old girls who are in love with the romance genre, like me.

    And personally, I liked the Escalus tree and Red Whirlwind-subplots. It added more drama into the story, and that’s what I like to watch. And, honestly, I like this more than the original play, actually. Not to offend anyone, but I find this much more interesting than the real thing. Call me crazy all you want.

    So, that’s just my two cents. Didn’t mean to offend anyone/thing, and I respect all your opinions, but mine is that this has to be one of my favorite animes. I really wish that Romeo and Juliet didn’t die and it would go on for just a little longer.

  30. Superbad says:

    If this review was shown on youtube then the reviewer would surely get the title “the biggest retard of the century.” Seriously, I don’t see the big deal y you motherfucker hate this anime over some lame acion shits. At least here, it shows you what love is, if you don’t appreciate it, then SCREW you.

    Well, I know that not all people have the same taste but this review is just pathetic. For all who think that Shakespeare would be crawling under his grave, then Alexandre Dumas would do the same when they made that 2002 Monte Cristo movie. Because they ARE adaptions, no matter however things change are not mainly important, as long as the plot is great then it matters. The plot of RxJ maybe boring to some but at least Gonzo still kept some parts of the original.

    Heh! Even if there’re people disliking this anime, they are just a bunch of anonymous fools, Romeo x Juliet is still undeniably one of the best-acclaimed works of Gonzo.

  31. Superbad says:

    Oh, I forgot, this review isn’t worth reading, that motherfucker of a reviewer is only judge the characters while (s)he doesn’t understand anything about the whole thing. How pathetic and ameteurish!

    Instead of reading this garbage, people should read reviews done by professional writers not some good-for-nothing.

  32. Me says:

    Okay I’ll be honest. It did get boring but as a person who loves watching anime I couldn’t skip any episode. So in the anime the roles of Romeo and Juiliet were switched if anyone of you who didnt caught that. I was expecting for Tibalt to get killed somehow but Gonzo never had him die. The ending was beautiful instead of the cliche of the tragic ending. The first couple episodes were the most interesting and cute. Overall it had beautiful animation. I would recommend this to anyone who love spinoffs of Romeo and Juiliet. But to those who may hate it give it a chance watch an episode a day to yearn for more.

  33. Yeah! says:

    Fuck all the haters, do you even know the meaning behind this anime? If you don’t, then you’re a born retard.

    And the reviewer should eat shit, suck cock and die. That will make 2011 a better year. Your reviews are all suck. What about the art, sound and such? Worthless piece of shit of a review in history.

  34. otakugirltoo says:

    hi.. i just wanna say that romeo x juliet is a good anime to watch.. the balcuny scene really made me cry.. of course each of us knows what love is, i must say, though its not as good as any other anime, this is just worth watching..

  35. Meow says:

    this anime was only LOOSELY based on “Romeo and Juliet” by Shakespeare…just think of this anime as an anime completely separate from the original play…most of you guys are saying that this anime sucks because it’s not like the original play…forget about the play…just watch the actual anime! ahaha

  36. Animefan000 says:

    I haven’t gone through most of RxJ yet, getting there. Though not my top favorite anime series, I actually found it enjoyable, more so than the actual play.

    I don’t really care if it was terrible or not, everyone has different tastes in anime.

  37. o0kittylover0o says:

    I completely disagree with this review…

    I guess you have to be a Shakespeare fan to really appreciate this anime, because when I saw it, what I saw was a genius masterpiece.
    They went above and beyond to actually flesh out the story, make it their own, and add in references and characters from Shakespeare’s other works for the benefit of a true Shakespeare enthusiast.

    And I think you didn’t quite understand the enormity of the world they lived on… it was a giant CONTINENT floating in the sky, probably around the size of Australia or bigger. And they did travel in the series, quite far and didn’t reach the edge.

    This anime was brilliant. ‘Nuff said.

  38. jm says:

    i watch a lot of anime and this certainly one of the best love story anime series,. although the ending is a little bit disappointing,even if this is Shakespeare’s work,.they should have to change the ending,all the hard works the two couple did..I think they deserve a Happy ending,..If Im not mistaken out of 24 episodes only 1 episode that they spend time together and the rest only last for 30secs..

  39. Mitars says:

    I started watching this anime cuz I read that it is a really romantic anime.
    The first episodes were quite interesting to watch but afterwards my motivation for this series got less and less. I was happy when I reached the last episode and saw some romantic by keeping their vow in life and death. The part with the “tree spirit” and the magical tree felt really weird to me; it just didnt fit in this story. Another thing are the characters, in my opinion there are just to many secondary characters in this anime; characters which are just showing sometimes but are mostly unimportant. If it were just a love story btw the two lovers and the conflict btw their families it would have been a great story but like this I just didnt feel much romantic nor I think that Im gonna rewatch this ever again. Kinda disappointed me :d

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@Aidan: Posting lewd images on a respectable chatbox.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, But none of these characters are in the anime adaptions. Well besides Jack and Saber.
Lenlo
Aidan, all this conversation did was prove that my decision to only ever watch the Ufotable adaptions was the correct decision.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, you can blame Extella for the Attlia the Hun thing. I wasn't too fond of it myself. Also should mention Attila is female as well.
https://pm1.narvii.com/6414/528599445b739909c02993cfdbfc9f277d088cf2_hq.jpg
AidanAK47
Also Masky I will be the first to admit to the ridiculous aspects of the Fate Franchise but do take note that you are commenting on something you know literally nothing about. Which is the very definition of ignorance and is quite annoying. Fate/Zero nails the themes it's going for. So go watch Fate/Zero, come back and apologize.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Give it time. Genghis is getting in there eventually with Grand Order. We just had Anastasia and Salieri introduced after all. And it's not as if this story introduces Servants willy nilly, they need actual story purpose. Genghis Khan wouldn't have fit the Narrative that Fate/Zero was going for.
Lenlo
Wait Attila is an Alien and Edison is a Lion? God damnit Fate. Why are you doing this to me. I was already annoyed at your treatment of Musashi
Masky
(aliens existing in the show is good example of that missing on themes part xP)
Masky
*most successful conqueror
Masky
Honestly was just amused most conqueror of all time not being featured in the show :D But wait, whats this about aliens?
AidanAK47
Anyway the important thing to take into account is that in the Fate universe, King Arthur is a woman, Attila the Hun is an Alien, Thomas Edison is a lion and Jack the Ripper is a little girl in a dominatrix outfit. Any questions?
AidanAK47
And while you don't need to watch something to be given divine right to comment on ideas or themes, it does leave you ignorant of how that show handles those ideas and themes.
AidanAK47
As for the Historical Alexander, he wasn't given the title of King of Couquerors. Fate/Zeros interpretation of him was. As generally accurate Fates interpretation of Servents history can be, they can make changes to suit the narrative.
AidanAK47
In that Regard Alexander was doing the conquest thing before Ghengus did. Ghengus likely has some other title. Hell he may only have the title because public consciousness was is more familiar with Alexander than Ghengus.
AidanAK47
Yeah, looking it up seems the King Title lost quite a lot of meaning in the Nasuverse. Though the King Title is rather flimsy. I mean Arthur is the King of Knights cause of the Knights of the round table. Gil is king of heroes because his tale was the first Heroic myth.
Lenlo
I think Alexander was just the first one they thought of, and they couldnt retroactively give it to someone else.

That said, Broskander deserves it <3
Masky
(And no, you don't need to watch something to be given divine right to comment on ideas or themes of it.)
Masky
(just to note in case I need to note, I do tend to do at least cursory research when I make comments on stuff I don't watch)
Masky
That first part is semantics as Fate gives title "King" to historical figures who weren't kings already :D Also, you can make that argument about historical Alexander the Great? Since that seriously sounds like kind of weak reason.
AidanAK47
Also sees Rider as deserving of title of "King of Conquerors" because that which he strives to conquer most is not lands or material wealth, but the hearts of people, the toughest conquest that can be undertaken by anyone.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Ghengis Khan wasn't a king. He was a Khan.
Lenlo
Ghengis is always a Rider in my mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But in all seriousness, Ghengis would be an appropriate beserker servant.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: I know, it feels so wrong I'm still mad I can't summon Karl Marx or Stalin.
Masky
So wait, Fate series is about historical figures with super powers, but "King of Conquerors" title isn't given to Ghengis Khan? :D Seriously? Thats just so wrong
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't feel any point in finishing it, it feels like something that I'd just randomly drop , not because its a bad show, but because I got my fill of it.
AidanAK47
I am actually going to drop blogging it.
AidanAK47
@Sash, indeed. I have been watching it but not blogging it for the last few episodes because it just hasn't givne me anything to say. I don't think it's a bad show but I have pointed out the flaws and strengths of it already so there is truly nothing more to say on it.
Sash
I think wotakoi is starting to feel repetitive..
Kaiser-Eoghan
You are now aware Shana and Batman Ninja Harelequinn are both voiced by Rie kugimiya.
Lenlo
I did. It was... It was a thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Did you end up watching Batman ninja by the way?
Lenlo
Music is great, yeah. When the music is on point, everything goes up. Everytime the sync the fight/punches to the music I just get hyped. Like the rotating shot with Aragaki or the first fight in episode 1.
Lenlo
Ill do my best to be clearer in the future on that front. Yeah, I dont mind twists like this. Makes the inevitable Mikio fight, narratively, even better.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel the music does alot of the lifting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh, so that was it.
Lenlo
Sorry if I never made that clear.
Lenlo
I would rather have fewer, amazing, fights than a lot of low-quality fights. This is a one cour show, the more meaning/impact they can give each fight the better.

Like Aragaki, narratively, was great. Loved it. Its just in animation/choreography that it falls flat.
Lenlo
Im disappointed with the animation of the fights. Narratively, I think they are quite good.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*disappointed with the fights in past episodes
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Pretty much what I said I thought of the episode. Although I was surprised how took the episodes ending, I expected you to see it as a slap in the face after being disappointed with the fights.
Lenlo
Also, @Kaiser, I thought Megalo Box did something unique this episode. I wasn't expecting Joe to *not* fight. And the Mikio/Yukiko proxy war is an interesting character motivation. Im betting Yukiko will get Joe a full citizenship, effectively getting her on his side.
Lenlo
I wish I was physically capable of watching Megalo Box without thinking of Hajime no Ippo. I really do. But everytime I watch it, it makes me want to watch Ippo again to.
Anonymous2120908
I watched some more of the Chimera family chinese anime. (Wasn't aware it was monthly released). And geez, I like the concept, the background art is very pretty and contrasts with settings that have become tired in other anime. Yet sadly the animation and script are WEAK. I haven't grasped the quality of what's expected of these types of production but I want to believe, they're trying.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Not much in the way of action in megalobox this week, but I did like the focus on Yukkiko getting a small character moment and then the big moment at episodes end .
AidanAK47
@Anon, That's some lazy ass trolling buddy. Should have stopped before the hashtags.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm even sort of looking forward to supposedly less respectable stuff like Goblin slayer and happy sugar life.
Vonter
Also E3 is almost here. And I can't wait. I think Nintendo will have a good show considering they're revealing the new Smash with a tournament. There's rumors of the new game by Retro Studios (Metroid Prime and Donkey Kong) and maybe they'll reveal something about how Pokemon will be on the Switch.
Vonter
Also there's always the chance of something new being discovered. Not everything needs expectations behind. Sometimes great things come out of nowhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So yes, there are some at least decent shows coming out.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Muh Baki, Muh Bananna fish, muh made in abyss season 2, muh Vinland.
Anonymous2119906
The rest of this year looks like shit for anime and 2019 doesn't look great either #fuckmoe #makeanimegreatagain
Anonymous2119214
@Kaiser yeah it happened in half the amount of eps this time around for steins gate 0; which i expected considering there's a lot of ground to cover
Anonymous2119106
@Supermario Something like Fate or the LOTR films are a different case. I get where you're coming from about your preference, but I'm arguing that if a large story is going to be split into 3 films, it helps that the 3 films feel cleanly cut. Infinity war, even though we know there's a second part to the story, feels like it has that cohesive narrative structure with a beginning, middle, and end
Anonymous2119106
@Super Mario yea but the marvel movies are a different situation so i don't think the comparison is as appropriate. Marvel movies are "episodic" in nature rather than a continuous narrative. The films are largely isolated stories that are happening in a similar universe that only happen to "congeal" narratively because of a few overarching details shared between films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I remember when the original series suddenly shifted and got going and it was a really depressing episode.
Lenlo
Oh baby. The storm has finally come in Steins;Gate. Let the true suffering commence
SuperMario
@anon2118276: that's why I don't like LoTR trilogy. It's still a whole body chopped up in 3 parts, despite how clean the cut is. Whereas for me it works better if it was like a branch in a tree. The Marvel movies (despite my disinterest on those) are a good example of this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I did feel some of this weeks steins gate felt fillery, I do like see these characters interact and given the episodes conclusion, this episode acted as a calm before the storm.
Lenlo
Ill agree with you on King Kong. As for the Ralph Bakshi LotR, I have. I am still to this day impressed by the overlay of 2D art onto real/overexposed footage. It makes for shockingly fluid animation in places and has its own distinct style
Anonymous2118208
@Lenlo - Have you watched the old Ralph Bakshi adaptation of the first two books? It's uneven, but it's interesting comparing and contrasting certain decisions. As good as Peter Jackson is, I feel he makes very longwinded films, I like his version of King Kong a lot, but it is too long.
Anonymous2118276
@supermario i disagree; the point is that even though the LOTH films have cliffhanger endings, they still feel like fils. they have a defined first second and third act with well paced tension and release throughout them. They follow a storytelling macrostructure necessary for films to feel like cohesive narratives even if they are to end on a cliffhanger
Lenlo
I quite liked the individual LOTR movie just fyi
Vonter
Marvel surprisingly has kept their movies simple enough, that while you might miss details nowadays, you can tell what's happening.
Vonter
Another bad case is like with Assassin's Creed, which like Lost, just tried to tease a lot of things, then it grew tired of trying to piece them together and let the last games work more standalone, with little hints of a larger lore.
Vonter
Metroid does both, it has a standalone story and a hint to what a sequel might bring. Though that hint rarely matters by the time the new game is released.
Vonter
@SuperMario - Some videogames trilogies also do that. Gears of War and God of War had good standalone beginnings but by the second game they put cliffhanging endings. Kingdom Hearts does that and I expect 3 to also do it. Megaman Legends and Half Life had incomplete stories, which might be the worse case in regards to trying to make a continuous story.
SuperMario
It ruins the appetite
SuperMario
I actually think Lord of the Rings' trilogy is a bad example to follow. These films are meant to be viewed as a whole, so each film doesn't hold much as an individual story. I just can't digest films that have "to be continued" sign at the end. Imagine having a first course meal and then have to wait for few days for second course
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the current topic, I would be well for the production of a long running, ambitious ova series.
Anonymous2116425
then again, i don't take too much issue with these films feeling like movie-sized eps...the wait just sucks is all
Anonymous2116425
clearly the films need each other to tell the whole story, yet they can be taken for what they are in isolation as well
Anonymous2116425
I don't mind the trilogy trend at all; like Aidan said, when everything is said and done, all the films will be available to watch. I just think a stronger attempt should be made to make them feel like complete films. Something like the lord of the rings trilogy is a great example of how to do this
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am in full confidence that neither I nor Miura will survive to the end of berserk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course maybe they won't have a future , think about it that way, then they'd never see it, life has that weird way of being unpredictable like that =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
You can always rewatch them just before watching the one after.
AidanAK47
Of course not. But that's the thing. The wait is only a temporary problem. Anyone in the future will have all movies ready to view.
SuperMario
So it's best to wait for another 2 years to watch Heaven's Feel? Hell NOT
AidanAK47
When all the movies come out though you can basically barrel through it like a TV series.
SuperMario
Dangit, it's me Mario
Anonymous2115918
I still don't know if I like this trilogy trend. We've had a fair bun h of those in recent years (Berserk Golden Age, Madoka, even Kizumonogatari). I guess doing it that way, they'd make much more profits, and we have higher production values, but the wait is way too long and I don't think it works as movie-format
Kaiser-Eoghan
One of the very rare times where self-awareness works.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can be nice and say of course Ryan Reynolds+ violence, comic was funnier.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: But I'm sure if you think it over, the first deadpool was trapped in origin story mode, as an advantage, the sequel, is probably free of that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Deadpool 2 had John Wicks director, which at the least means something in terms of action direction.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: There was a whole run of deadpool issues called Cable and deadpool, which I suppose that pairing together gets the best out of the character.
AidanAK47
Seen Deadpool 2 tonight and I have difficultly deciding if it's better or worse than Deadpool 1. Still it's quite fun and I enjoyed it.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I feel somewhat similar in regards to Franxx. When this series finishes I won't be singing high praises for it. Yet I do feel that it's worth watching.
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