Posted by psgels on 25 December 2007 with categories: Les Miserables - Shoujo Cosette


Angedemystere, you were right. Thenardier gets more than enough closure for this episode. His final plan was way more desperate than I imagined, when compared to his cunning plan of the third arc, where he basically tries to blackmail Marius with all the things he knows about Jean Valjean. Not really the most solid plan. Humans can indeed change, and Thenardier shows how this can happen for the worst. I really like how he and Marius clear up the misunderstandings they had, and Marius even finds out that it was indeed Jean who saved him. It seems that at that time, Thenardier mistook the unconscious Marius that Jean was carrying for a dead body, belonging to a person that Jean had robbed and killed afterwards. When Thenardier gets arrested, Marius also sees the guy’s face again, clearing up the misunderstanding he had that Jean killed Javert.

I’m surprised that Javert didn’t arrest Marius, though. He should have recognized him, though I guess that if he wanted to have Marius arrested, he would have done so long ago. I think that he has already forgotten about Marius’s crimes, just like with Jean. In this episode, it also happens: Jean takes off, without notifying anyone where he went. Marius can now take care of Cosette more than enough, so he decided to go back to the countryside, and help the poor farmers with their work. Marius, Cosette and everyone else don’t agree with this, though, and spend the episode, searching for him. The final episode will probably deal with this, and clear up the distance that Jean has kept in front of everyone.

One thing I’m really hoping for is to see Cosette, return to Montreul-sur-Mer for one final time, and meet Thenardiére and Azelma. It feels like the two of them could use a tiny bit more attention, and I’d love to see Cosette and Thenardiére make up after all these years, not to mention that they haven’t found out about Eponine’s death yet.

Anyway, I finally managed to catch up with everything, and I can now finally read the comments on episode 48 without the fear of being spoiled. ^^;

Merry Christmas everyone, and I hope you have a great time. :)

18 Responses

  1. angedemystere says:

    Wait, this statement confuses me: “Humans can indeed change, and Thenardier shows how this can happen for the worst.” What do you mean exactly?

  2. Irene says:

    I’m absolutely dying to know what Javert says to Marius after Marius is all “OMG YOU’RE ALIVE. O.O” Also what Javert says to Thenardier when he’s being all intimidating. And…everything Javert says in general. Because I’m so happy they got Javert’s entrance exactly right in this episode. xD

  3. angedemystere says:

    I know! *squee* Sadly, I don’t think he’ll be making another appearance. *cries* Ah well.

    I KNEW that sash was going to come into play. It substitutes the ring that Thenardier got off of Marius in the book. His expressions were pretty funny when Marius debunked all his tricks and such. But, man, I SO called the Javert-tailing-Thenardier-to-Marius’-house bit. Woot!

    Next episode looks like both the end of our beloved convict as well as this series. So sad to see such things come to an end, but that is life. *sigh* I do hope that this series won’t be totally ignored by the companies that get these animes subbed and dubbed into English. I actually thought I saw subbed versions of ep. 9 and 10 somewhere, but maybe they weren’t legit. I dunno, I hope they were, but I’ll look into that later.

    I thought it kinda random that Valjean would go back to helping people and manual labor. He’s supposed to wither away from not being with Cosette, but maybe that occurs in the last episode.

  4. Irene says:

    Actually, Thenardier takes a scrap of cloth off of Marius’s jacket in the book, much like what he does with the sash in the anime. I believe he takes a ring off Marius in the musical. xD;

    POSSIBLE SPOILER WARNING?

    And yeah, I think Valjean’ll wither away next episode. Either that, or it’ll be a gushy happy squishy warm ending worthy of Disney. Which I definitely hope doesn’t happen. T_T

  5. angedemystere says:

    Oh. =P My bad. ^^,

    Nah, those shots with Valjean in his cottage looked pretty dark and gloomy which I think foreshadows his end. But maybe you’re right, and they’re just trying to fool us. Meh. He’s having a lot of flashbacks of his encounter with the bishop, though, so I think that’s another point in favor of the real ending. But it’s still odd that he’d be withering away, since he’s getting all that outdoor exercise. Yeah, yeah, EMOTIONALLY withering away, I know, but . . .

    I am rather curious how the group manages to track him down. Oh, wait, Cosette receives a letter in the trailer that might be from him. Nevermind.

    Is it weird that I am still somewhat disappointed that that was the last of Javert? Don’t get me wrong, he went out with a bang and it was awesome. (Probably even more if I knew what they were freakin’ SAYING.) *deep breath* But . . . I guess my silly inner fangirl really wants Javert and Valjean to have one last talk, as sort of an ultimate reconciliation. But that’d be both cliche and uncanon, I guess. After all, the idea is that Valjean already forgave Javert for everything, and since Javert seems to be all right, too, there’s no real need to talk. Still . . . blah, I’m down with a case of fangirl-syndrome.

  6. psgels psgels says:

    “Wait, this statement confuses me: “Humans can indeed change, and Thenardier shows how this can happen for the worst.” What do you mean exactly? ”

    Well, the guy has lost all his former comrades, he’s resorting to petty thieves right now, and then he sees Cosette andJean and comes up with a random plan that has nearly no chance to succeed, and doesn’t even realize this. To me, he looked pretty pathetic in this episode.

    “I’m absolutely dying to know what Javert says to Marius after Marius is all “OMG YOU’RE ALIVE. O.O””

    While I can’t remember what Javert said afterwards, his first line to Marius was “You look like you’ve seen a ghost.” ^^;

  7. angedemystere says:

    Teehee!!! Excellent!

    I guess I can see what you mean: Thenardier has pretty much gone downhill since losing his inn, and he’s gotten more vicious and nasty with every plan he conceives. I also noticed that his hands seemed quite pudgy. But maybe that’s just me. Or his costume. Man, that costume was ridiculous, no wonder Javert noticed him. XD

    I’m actually dying to know what Thenardier said to Javert as he was being taken away. Must have been something pretty bad to provoke Javert like that. Doesn’t Thenardier realize by now that EVERYONE IS TALLER THAN HIM AND COULD KICK HIS BUTT NO MATTER WHAT?

  8. angedemystere says:

    Oh, about those subbed versions of 9 and 10, they’re actually subbed in French. Oops. But I’m trying to watch ep. 9 with them anyway, since I took a little French, and it’s better than nothing.

  9. angedemystere says:

    *groan* Since no one else is compelled to say anything, I’ll add just one more post in answer to something in psgels’ review:

    You were wondering why Javert didn’t arrest Marius. Well, by the time this incident occurred, the government had granted amnesty to all survivors involved in the uprising. So Javert would have no reason to arrest Marius except maybe for the fact that Marius neglected to uphold his part of the deal in the Gorbeau case. I very much doubt that that would remain an issue, though, and Javert would probably be willing to put that behind him, especially considering what has happened to him. Besides, why worry about some dolt lawyer (yes, Javert does call him that ^^,) who didn’t fire a pistol when he was supposed to, when you’ve got a former Patron-Minette member who is clearly up to no good in going to a rich man’s house wearing a tacky disguise?

  10. Irene says:

    Yeah, I love how Javert just dismisses Marius as a bit soft in the head after the Gorbeau fiasco. xD “Dolt of a lawyer” is one of my favorite lines in the book, ranking up there with such classics as “Would you like my hat?” and “What pantaloons! what energy!”

  11. angedemystere says:

    You HAVE to tell me where he says that last one. Sheesh, the things Hugo made his characters say. I’m still thinking of drunk!Gillenormand’s line about slippers. XD

  12. Kim says:

    SPOILER FOR EPISODE DIALOGUE

    Thenardier: It doesn’t matter how many times you catch me, I’ll just break out again! You can’t stop me!
    Javert: Then I’ll just catch you again every time you escape; until you realise your wrong ways and become a proper person! (turns away) Thenardier, people can change.

    This is the rough dialogue.

  13. Irene says:

    @angedemystere: It depends on your translation, I guess. xD I’m using the one by Charles Wilbour – that last one’s said by Tholomyes’s friends when we first meet him.

    @Kim: Thanks! Although I’m not entirely sure how to feel about those lines. xD

  14. angedemystere says:

    Irene: Oh, yeah, I found it. My translation uses “trousers,” I think, which is not as amusing. Yet it still somewhat is. ^^

    Okay, it’s almost 1:35 in the morning so I’m just gonna be total random here: Marius’ wallpaper makes it very difficult to find the break between Javert’s pic and Thenardier’s pic. Okay, goodnight!

  15. Jellylorum says:

    God, this is crazy. I only saw parts on youtube, and I saw that ominous sunrise thing. I was all like WTF. Javert SHOULD HAVE DIED, for God’s sake. I can’t understand the creators. They slaughtered all the cute bishounens on the barricade, and let Javert live. WHY?

  16. Sacket says:

    Heh… in the musical Javert commits suicide because he can’t bear to live in a world with Jean ValJean who’s reformation has destroyed Javert’s entire construction of how the world works.

  17. angedemystere says:

    Yeah, but that isn’t the real reason he commits suicide in the novel. He offs himself because he can neither send Valjean off to prison (in accordance to the law) nor let him go free (in accordance to his conscience). Unable to reconcile the situation, he chooses to eliminate himself from the equation, and since letting Valjean go is against the law, he acts as his own executioner. There’s more to his internal debate, but I think that’s what it boils down to decision-wise.

  18. Next episode looks like both the end of our beloved convict as well as this series.Javert SHOULD HAVE DIED, for God’s sake. I can’t understand the creators.

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A point on the chibi in AMB. I was thinking about shows were the chibi did not bother me, and Hellsing Ultimate and Drifters (newest episodes coming out), both had deformed/chibi segments. For some reason they did not bother me. I think ABM directors have bad timing with them.
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@Silver: There are sad moments certainly but plenty of humour.
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The blood of the innocent will flow without end, mmmmmm this is why I love Inuyashiki
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Was that blade 2022 thing supposed to be an example? Because I wasnt a fan. It was stylish sure, but difficult to follow.
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Maho is a good looking show, I wouldnt call it a great animated show.
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Lenlo
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uhhh creepy
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Amagi
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Kaiser-Eoghan
*on Europa cinema
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nanoha new film to screen next February in the US, come in Europa license it for over here dammit....
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AidanAK47
@Niel, I do agree that it's annoying to see people complain about animation when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. Like those inbetween frame screenshot people. But I will say I appreciate on model characters more so than chaotic movement. When the off model stuff suits the tone of the scene like that blade runner part, then it's fine.
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niel
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normal/low action scenes is different from being on-model during the action sequences and just the ones that need some extra impact in general. https://youtu.be/rrZk9sSgRyQ?t=6m45s
niel
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Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter/Niello/Mario: Ideally I want it both ways, fluid animation AND consistent model visuals, all the while never sacrificing choreography.
SuperMario
But really, who am I to say. I'm the dude who prefer beautiful shot composition myself
SuperMario
The same can be said with Shinkai's movies since he always prefers static, beautiful shot that people tend to overlook that his animation is quite poorly handled
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Is it any wonder that people prefer things to be static/on-model? They want to see characters who look consistent and familiar so they can relate to them.
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MahoYome being the biggest offender of people getting triggered to any kind of statement about the show's animation not being good. And it's absurd because the show's animation really isn't great at all. It's good with distracting people with pretty pictures, but animation-wise it's still mediocre.
Nie
@SuperMario: Not much. Just stuff like "Art is part of the animation weather it's beautiful backgrounds or just amazing looking characters. It's not all about how they move. If it was, CG would be considered great animation" multiple times. I've just been finding myself being replied with these kinds of comment non-stop since the start of the season.
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@Niello: What happened exactly, if you don't me asking?
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Berserks Dynasty Warriors style game looked better. Also, Mahoutsukai should be up tonight/tomorrow. Turns out, Christmas is a busy time of year at this job.
Amagi
*worse
Amagi
Especially when you consider how good CGI can be by now, look at Houseki or Kado. But Berserk was the worst thing I saw in years, many scenes felt worst than sequences of PSX games
Amagi
@SuperMario: Same. I love Kon and also consider Paprika's OST as the best. @Lenlo: Me too. I honestly even enjoyed the movies but the new series was atrocious
Lenlo
HIRASAWAAAA! HAAAAAI YOOOOO.
I miss the 90s Berserk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was also quite fond of his soundtracks for Berserk. AIIIIIYE FORCES : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYYYew8CUI
SuperMario
@Amagi: I'm a big fan of Kon so I've watched everything from his. Even bought a book about his works. About the soundtrack, I listened to them as well but not regularly, compare to pprika OST which I downloaded and listen to a lot
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although not completely a manga, Usagi yojimbo also has an anthro character.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Millennium actress is partially inspired by the actress Setsuko Hara.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: The anthro-animal manga is even a topseller as far as I know. Haven't looked into it yet, though. Maybe I will do so.
Amagi
Speaking of it, I am still hoping Dream Machine will happen some day. Kon died believing it would happen
Amagi
@SuperMario: Have you tried the other Kon movies like Millennium Actress once? Thought they were really good and Hirasawa is responsible for the OST there too. Or Paranoia Agent which was (IMO) very good as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nttSKBJ38k (OP)
Niello
Eoghan: Enjoy... ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I haven't read this, its very strange to see a manga about full anthro animal characters: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Beastars
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: So based on that I will try devil lady. Thanks.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: That'd be me who made that post. I thought dororon enma-kun was wonderfully ridiculous and Devilman gorishly entertaining, Shin Mazinger Z was probably some of the most fun I had with an anime, but violence jack took it way too far though so I guess I'm aquainted with nagai's work
Vonter
I don't remember who was looking for something noir in anime. I was looking among several series from Go Nagai. And watched some Devil Lady. I don't remember if noir is exclusively detective stories, but this anime, has those high contrast shadows, eerie music and is shot like some japanese horror movies I've seen. I don't know if it changes along the road but so far it's very suspenseful.
SuperMario
I only know him through his works in Berserk and Paprika but his music never fails to amaze me
Anonymous1626471
@Amagi: Ghost Bridge is my favourite. I just find it very calming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeh5aJsxlbw
Amagi
Susumu Hirasawa is one of my favorite musicians/composers. I don't even know what kind of subgenre this is. There aren't any other music groups I know who do similar stuff
Nielllo
@Mario, Already saw that video before.
SuperMario
Check this out... I don't even know what the freaking instrument he's playing, but it's spellbound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjalQjAomH0
Niello
Just when I thought Houseki no Kuni took the prize for best animation I was treated with Apocrypha. This week is amazing.
Niello
Big name animators all over. They really threw everything they've got here.
Niello
Woooooah! OMG Apocrypha ep 22 animation is sick! So that's why the animation in the first half of the show is so lackluster and basically just darn awful.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its not entirely odd to bring up Heydrich in relation to the occult either, apparently he was said to be part of some whackjob order.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, that girl from Dies irae, Anna Schwegln is aptly named, also shares her name with the last executed person for witchcraft, who was Bavarian German, which i'm told by an Austrian friend were particular right-est leaning politically.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course unfortunately its often the opposite that happens, nothing is worse than an ending that ruins everything.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, how I love being surprised by something. That feeling where you''re watching something shakily held together, simply okay or good, then suddenly in the second half or last stretch your score of it goes massively up.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can kind of understand the wanting to go home and watch something easy mentality instead of challenging but even though I'm guilty of escapism, I'm tired somewhat of "sillier" stuff, its often enjoyable but its get overly reptitive and I wish I could find more philosophical/political/imaginative things.
Amagi
Yeah the show is great because of its theme, the setting and chemistry girls have as well as their (lack of) knowledge about basic human things. Each episode thematizes this in a different way but there isn't much you can talk or say about it when you already explained the topic in detail.
SuperMario
On the other hand, I don't have much to talk about Girls' Last Tour this week. It's still good, but with this episode I feel that I'm running out of concrete thig to say about the show
SuperMario
Haha both Houseki and 3-gatsu have a good showing this week. I have a lot of things to talk about Houseki in particular
Amagi
This week's Houseki is jurassic park
Amagi
*-ati - I think Netflix and so are at least giving a few new impulses which isn't too bad. I don't think the typical anime series will disappear because of that.
Amagi
At least in comparisation
Amagi
I think it's just sad how often I see wonderful series selling 500 BD/DVD or maybe even less. Most series don't sell more than 1500 or so and the rest is usually at ~3000-5000 which is still pretty low.
Amagi
Yeah, it's one of my pro-Netflix arguments as well. Another problem is that anime (not counting manga) only make money through dvd/bd sales since they air at night, whereas Netflix or daytime tv series don't depend on the latter so much and since anime BDs are so expensive the only ones who buy them are the more extreme fans.
AidanAK47
Might be in part due to the workaholic nature of their society that makes escapist fantasy and empty entertainment more appealing than usual. Ultimately these are the people anime is made for so opening up the markets gives more deserving shows a fighting chance.
Though that isn't to say that western taste is perfect either.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, That's part of the reason I think some westernation might be a good thing as from what I seen the Japanese have truly terrible taste in anime. Sales charts from Japan just make me shake my head.
Amagi
God, the preorder anime lists are atricious. The only one that seems to sell acceptable (around 6k) is Mahoyome. Series like Inuyashiki have 80 pre-orders so far, Shuumatsu Shoujo 977. Idol shows sell good of course, including that male/bishounen Idolmaster
AidanAK47
@Anon, I read it but kinda fell out due to it's releases being slow.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Actually if you check the manga recommendations section, you'll see there is a post about it here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yes, it was interesting to follow a story that dealt with a characters homosexuallity that was outside of the yaoi/yuri mould.
Anonymous1620968
Out of curiosity, has anyone on here read Shimanami Tasogare?
Niello
Where are we up to with Inuyashiki?
Lenlo
Well alright then. Episode 9 out of 11 and that happens. Was not expecting that
Lenlo
Ooo something happen this week? Im about to watch it
Kaiser-Eoghan
It feels just as rushed and awkward in the manga.
Amagi
I noticed this too
AidanAK47
Inuyashiki has balls of steel to pull that in this particular episode number.
Nielllo
Finally got around to reading Helck, and it looks like it's going to go into that pile of good-shounen-that-won't-ever-get-animated right alongside Psyren.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Imagine trying to buy the dvds of the show in public.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Gentle remind that the prism ilya movie is out and subbed.
AidanAK47
Still surprised the second and third seasons got dubbed.
AidanAK47
@Angel, I replied to one of your comments before but the rundown is no official word yet but maybe next year.
Angel
Or no? Someone please tell me!!
Angel
Going to happen?
Angel
Is fate/kaleid liner prisma☆illya 3rei dub
Amagi
I dislike it when manga bait me into reading due to the first chapter and end up being some very generic stuff afterwards. Nobody stays for B if he started something for A, authours should expect that.
Lenlo
Really, Juuni should stick with the 3D. That fight in ep 9 looked pretty good. 3D is clearly what they are good at
AidanAK47
@Niello, It's not Chatango. It's a plugin for wordpress called Wisechat.
SuperMario
@Niello: yeah, Juuni caught me off guard this week. The production of Juuni is unfortunately shaky, but well, strong writing can save the day
Niello
Btw is this chat still Chatango?
Niello
This week episode of Juini is surprisingly good compared to how the show usually is with its backstory. Although the part where Ox tries to explain to Tiger could definitely use some visual buff.
SuperWooper
in the future*
SuperWooper
Pretty cool that Juuni Taisen had that kind of emotional heft this week, though. Might be one of the 2017 shows I sample the in the future.
SuperWooper
I think the occasional comments with an episode title and nothing more come from people who mistake the shoutbox for a search bar.
SuperMario
@Anon1614688: juuni taisen... made me tearing up this week. Honestly didn't expect that. Damn you, Tiger
Anonymous1614688
juuni taisen
Amagi
Had some complaints regarding Children of Whales but the latest two episodes were pretty good.
Amagi
@Anon: You explained it better than me.
Anonymous1614307
Kaiser: I actually have the exact same opinion of Natsume and Mushishi. Both are excellent, but Natsume just does a great job with a small core cast and a very simple premise
Anonymous1614456
who likes naruto
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mushishi does have good stories, but it was always a manga I'd dip in and out of, on and off for years, never marathoning it, wheras Natsume was easier to read several chapters of in one go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its because Natsume has more pathos.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*more than
Natsume weirdly ended up becoming this comfort manga for me with a higher consistency rate .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will state that I hold the terrible opinion that I like Natsume Yujinchou than Mushishi but at the same time completely recognize that Mushishi is probably the more ambitious, better show.
Niello
So it becomes a cycle of "this is an interesting set up" (except that the new Kino isn't even good at that) and then they fucked up or Kino/Shizu fucked them up even more, then move on. Without the emphasis on philosophical nature of the set up they present like in the original Kino, there really isn't that much point to it.
Niello
With the new Kino it's more about messing people up, occassionally observing and hardly ever improving. The anwsers or solutions to the problem they present is never really talked about in a rational way.
SuperMario
@Anon1614318: maybe you should give the old Kino a try. What I don't like most about the new version of Kino is that both Kino and the new guy are sketched as hero. The old Kino manages the tone right as well. There were some really dark tales and most of them thought-provoking. Can't say the same for say...Country of Cooking
Anonymous1614318
I don't know, it might be interesting to actually dig deep into the differences between episodic series with this kind of style to see what works and what doesn't.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's a matter of the chapter they chose to adapt were not really the better ones but the ones where the protagonist is more of an active role. Not totally against that, but it feels like the protagonist is just OP all the time. At least with Mushishi Ginko isn't able to save everyone all the time.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's supposed to be more allegorical, but most of the time the allegory is not really meaningful enough. I thought it would be more along the lines of Mushishi, which is kind of similar in setup, but better in most other ways.
Anonymous1614318
What keeps me sticking around are some of the nice background arts and generally pleasant use of color, but admittedly most of the episodes aren't really engaging in a meaningful way. Most of the time its just Kino/Shizu show up, find out town's gimmick, then save the day. I prefer the episodes where the townspeople are more than just flat background characters.
Anonymous1614318
It's interesting to see how this new Kino season is being received from folks who've already watched the original. This is my first real exposure to Kino, and I kind of like it, but even without watching the original, I share many of the same complaints Aidan and most of the others have.
Amagi
I am also kinda sad he's just some 2* servant in fgo, but his power is special and he's physically weak, so it's understandable.
Amagi
And again, Shakespeare is just great but the character is, sadly, kinda wasted here considering how much screentime he has.
Amagi
@Aidan: Yes. Plus, maybe more characterization or background for some servants. The anime would have that time without Sieg and his romance sub plot.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, Those being remove Sieg and more Shakespeare?
Amagi
And man Apocrypha is pretty good but it would be twice as good if it had those two changes Aidan always mentions in the reviews..
Amagi
@Kaiser: I think the male in Kino was a mistake. Having two PoV sounds good, but he's basically just a male Kino, he even looks like her. Someone vastly different would have been way more interesting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd guarantee that sangatsu no lion would be high up, but FINALLY this weekend I'll be catching up.
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