Posted by psgels on 29 December 2007 with categories: Anime Reviews


After looking at the promo-art, it’s easy to label ef as another of those harem-series. I too, at the beginning, wasn’t really motivated to continue with this series. Still, ef proved quite early that it doesn’t care about stereotypes. It’s not even a harem: it’s just a story about one love-triangle and one tragic couple. On top of that, this production has been supervised by Akiyuki Shinbou, which provides excellent graphics that actually symbolize the story, and the music is absolutely terrific. Even those who aren’t into romance can give this series a try.

But the thing that really makes this series is the dialogue. It’s deep, it’s detailed, and it’s meaningful. Neither the characters nor the story are that special for this series, but the dialogue makes everything so much better than if it were written by a lazy writer who only cares about his pay-check. The first half of the series basically builds up and fleshes out the characters, while the second half drastically increases the dramatic tension, and with great results.

There lies my problem with this series, though. ef has an excellent middle part, but I’m a bit iffy on the ending. This series seems to want to go out with a bang, while I think it would have been more appropriate to have let it end more peacefully. The twists near the ending feel forced, and just there to get a happy ending together. I would have liked to see an approach more similar to that of Hitohira: just have one big climax, while the rest of the series either focuses on building-up or the aftermath.

Still, I consider ef as one of the best visual novel-adaptations I’ve ever seen. There is a lot of crap amongst this genre, especially the eroge-adaptations, but ef ignores this and delivers a moving story between multiple couples. While there were a few side-characters who lacked development, the others were just as deep as the main ones. If you don’t plan on watching this series, then at least try to get your hands on the soundtrack, because that one for me has been the best soundtrack of the season.

21 Responses

  1. marmot says:

    I watched all of ef but I feel that the 86 score is only really applicable to half the series. The story about the girl who loses her memories was great and interesting (even if the guy looked like a terrier) but the love triangle was just so dull and cliched I wanted the characters to either seek psychiatric help or get over themselves. I also got the feeling that the budget wasn’t used very well, some parts are full of one visual metaphor after another but the 2 really dramatic moments with the red haired girl nearly sent me to sleep because I was basically watching the same shot for 3 minutes.

  2. omo says:

    I’ve long thought psgels’ scoring system to mean just two things:

    1. any show that’s scored above a 90 or below an 70 is not really all that great.
    2. all my favorite shows have to score between 80 and 90, with a rare couple shows in the 70s.

    I think if you think the Kei-Hirono-Miyako thing isn’t great, then you probably are not paying attention to details. I thought the first 8 episodes were carried purely by that. There are some awesome dialogs and some great concepts tossed around that makes it unlike any romantic anime ever before.

  3. Sasa says:

    Maybe I am too absorbed by the pictures, but so far I have not seen one single memorable part of dialogue yet. So I’m really wondering what makes the dialogue so great for you guys… Do you have examples?

  4. marmot says:

    Hmmm I guess the dialog was above average but I think the story and the characters were fairly mediocre especially compared to the more ambitious memory loss plot. Actually what probably annoyed me the most was that there seemed to be only about 10 people in this world, it’s always so contrived when the only person someone sees when there out is someone they already know.

    regarding psgels scoring; I think he is a bit too forgiving with his scores, ef isn’t bad but I think it’s more than 14 points from perfection, that being said, regardless of scores I think he’s got how good a series is compared to others mostly spot on. And let us all remember it is just a point of view.

  5. psgels psgels says:

    Sasa: I first realized this when the anime itself mentioned how Chihiro’s writing abilities are just like those of a novellist. After that, I realized more and more how the monologues and dialogues of the series were pretty much the same, they felt much more like prose than like dialogue in an average anime. Unfortunately, my memory is a bit too fuzy to give any concrete examples.

    Marmot: yeah, I’ve often been told that my ratings are a tad too high at ties, but it’s indeed like you said a point of view. When I started out with my rating-system, I quickly decided to not base it off anyone else’s rating-system, but just go with my own.

    The reason why I liked this serie smore than you did was probably because I liked the very long telephone-scene with the red-haired girl.

  6. alida says:

    I was so glad this wasn’t harem – I’ve had enough of them, seriously… (Clannad needs to stop copying Kanon, but Kanon is unbearable, and School Days is just… (runs around in frustration) terrible.

  7. omo says:

    There are boatloads of deep dialogs in this show, but my favorite one must be the part where Kei was first introduced to Kyousuke.

    Closely followed by the bit about death and memory which first described Chihiro when she was talking to Renji, then again with Miyako and Hirono. Then again with Chihiro.

    Third would be Chihiro’s sheep analogy.

  8. nahrub says:

    really annoyed by episode 7, 5 minutes of still picture with criss-crossing words that seems done by powerpoint. ef is great and all, but that particular scene is just too annoying. it wont negate the message if it was cut short.

  9. nahrub says:

    watching this again i’ve suddenly realised how empty all the scenes are, exceptions for 1st episode christmas’ and classroom’s. if a character don’t have a dialogue, it won’t be in screen. i’m not sure why the town so empty (all the time); maybe the director want to stress the lonesome characters, or maybe the animators are too lazy.

  10. Wyrdwad says:

    I just finished watching this series today, and I feel compelled to comment just to offset the other comments on here: I believe this show to be one of the best anime of its kind I’ve ever seen, and it easily falls within my top ten favorite shows of all time. Were I to rate it, I’d give it a 90 or above, without a doubt… the writing in it really is top-notch, and while I felt ALL the characters were extremely well-developed, I believe the relationship between Renji and Chihiro to be one of the most unique and beautiful I’ve ever seen in any anime.

    The long telephone scene, too, and that scene with all the writing on the screen that nahrub disliked so much, were also standout moments for me, and represented truly unique approaches to storytelling that I really, really enjoyed.

    All in all, this show was more of a surprise than I could’ve ever expected. Beautiful, beautiful series.

    -Tom

  11. ritchan says:

    Sounds like I’m going with the flow here, but I rewatched it and I feel that the telephone scene is the best one in the series, period. I think it’s overall a very beautiful anime, and not just graphics-wise, although I really appreciate the unconventional approach on that.

    Also, whenever an episode cuts to Renji+Chihiro, I always fast forward. I don’t know why… Chihiro losing her memories every 13 hours should be an interesting enough plot device to keep me hooked, but I wanted to see more of Kei, Miya Miya and Kyousuke.

  12. Frank Lark says:

    I just finnished watching this anime 10 minutes ago and stumbled upon this blog, after frowning at Anime news network giving it a 8.7/10, from public voting.
    The concept is great, the art is beautiful and soundtrack hits the spot. However I think the characters aren’t unique, and the setting is quite confusing and unpleasant. Why such a westernized town, there is a lack of environment (people, life) even though it has such wonderful art. There is attention to detail and certain still scenes are given small movements such as, the elongation of shadow.
    The storyline does have a sense of fresh air to it. However I still couldnt help myself point out the similarities between this anime and the movie “50 first dates”.
    However as stated from a previous comment, the sheep analogy was good and the impact of suddenly waking up 4 years later and realising the changes in body and life itself is very intriguing and Chihiro’s reaction to it was spot on. But the love relationship between all the characters were very linear and predictable. Furthermore i couldn’t feel anything for any of the characters, they just weren’t likeable. I didn’t care for the characters. Maybe because it was only 12 episodes but come on, an anime movie such as 5 centimeters per-second or any of Hayao Miyazaki’s film had way more impact on characters than ef – a tale of memories.

    Cant say much, only seen it once. Personally i would give a good 3/5 or 70-ish%, but thats my opinion. Finally, I think it was really funny that they had intercourse for both relationships right after they discovered they loved each other or kissed for the first time its like; ” I love you ” and they kissed. And than they had sex.

  13. kita says:

    Frank Lark: I couldn’t agree with you more! I felt exactly the same! I really really disliked how the characters, after confessing, had sex. Love is so much more deeper than that, and those scenes made it seem like a joke and really unrealistic…sure the sheep analogy was amazing but i agree with others in that the story was very cliche and there was no outside life…overrall i believe it was overrated and not worth watching or recommending.

  14. Kuro says:

    The series overall had its good points and bad points , what I found most interesting was Chihiro’s story..it was trajically unique of some sort, it really made me feel her misery and how it affected her normal , healthy friend Renji. Also the the writers have showed great talent in using her tragedy to create more and more dramatic scenes , and more importantly , the way the ended this story was just..beautiful.

    On the other hand, Hiro’s story was just another boring, annoying cliche’ , full of irritating scenes , and the way the love traingle ended was just unbelievable to me.

    Aside from that I really agree that it’s just funny how both couples have sex on the same night that they confess , and on the same night they have their first kiss..that’s just hilarious.

  15. JiLLyPooP says:

    i’m currently watching the last part of ep 7…the one where miyako’s leaving messages to the point of going crazy. it’s impacting, yes, but the music added to her messages is really creepy…x_x; feel like some ghost is gonna come up or something lol. not really. but eh. it’s the suspense i suppose…

    but i like the story so far.

  16. Shaun Lance says:

    I feel that Ef: A Tale of Memories is one of the best drama shows I have ever seen. I love how almost every single part was important and contributed in some way to the plot, even opening animations. There were some really great dialogues that caught my attention. Other than the sheep and Chihiro being tied to a chain 12 years long and the farthest her hand can reach was 13 hours, I loved the story she was writing, how it symbolized her life completely. I also liked how they portrayed Chihiro finding herself older by 4 years, unlike the 50 first dates. One of the dialogues with Renji and Kuze especially caught my attention, the part with Kuze explaining how, “… the outcome of your action, which become inevitable, will overlap with accidents, and fulfill your dream unexpectedly. I don’t know if that can be called a miracle, but there’s one thing I’m certain about. Nothing will happen if you don’t wish for it.” There were many more amazing points for the dialogue, but there’s so much and I’ve already talked too much.

  17. Shaun Lance says:

    Well, I personally really liked Ef – A Tale of Memories.

    *Spoilers after this. If you haven’t watched it yet, don’t read it XD*

    One of the reasons being the animation. I’m really surprised how abstract all of the point of views were, such as Hirono walking toward the rooftop door and the dome sky while the buildings stayed the same. In a way, I think the animation is meant to be more “symbolic” rather than “AWWWWW, LOOK AT THE PURRTY COLORS!”

    The scene with Mikako’s phone call really showed the tension and fear she held about losing Hirono, which is one reason why I really like it. It was really scary for me >O

  18. Aaron says:

    This is one of the best anime I’ve seen. I just finished watching it for the second time about 15 mins ago, and once again, tears. Everything I would mention has already been, but I would just like to say this for anybody reading: if you appreciate an amazing love story, you will appreciate this anime series. Regardless of how cliche, regardless of the fact that the ending was somewhat predictable, and the fact that they all ended up having sex, this series is refreshing..it is different..it is captivating..emotional..it is amazing and I would recommend this to anyone. Absolutely anyone.

  19. The Dude says:

    I hate this anime ended i want hirono to end up with Kei. Fking anime disgusts me now!

  20. The Dude says:

    I hated how this anime ended i want hirono to end up with Kei. this anime disgusts me now!

  21. CaptainShrimps says:

    jeez everyone, whats with all the hating? if u don’t like this anime then seriously don’t even visit this page. i have no respect for haters who post hate comments just for the sake of it. honestly guys…

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This last stretch of episodes is going to be good, so I heard from that novel reader. As long as the production doesn't derail itself, we're in for a treat.
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It's pretty obvious that with Haiji being the one running the final section of the Ekiden, that this might be his last.
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I do think that there'll be an episode of downtime between the episodes covering the 1st and 2nd days of the marathon. And maybe we'll finally get to see Haiji's past prior to his leg injury.
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So there's 5 episodes left, and it'll cover both days of the Ekiden since it's split into two sections. I heard from the novel reader that the 10th and final chapter is over 100 pages long, so having 5 episodes should be enough to cover everything. Shindo's running last in the 1st half but he's got a cold, which does bring some concern.
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Seems like a pretty slow week here. Anyhow, in this Kaze ga ,we're at the final stretch before the Ekiden next episode. Really liked Fujioka's speech at the start. They're also starting to unravel more on Haiji's past as well.
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ahahahaha so that was it, she is voiced by Kana Hanazawa.
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Something that came to mind when watching that quintuplets show, somehow the archetype I ended up going for was Ichika's character somehow. Never usually the case.
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Y'know usually its fairly consistent, traits I notice/like/am attracted to most in a character's appearence and then there are those odd cases where I somehow end up finding a character attractive or something that I'd usually never.
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@Amagi: Also a sequel to legend of koizumi has been translated.
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@Kaiser: thanks for the links!
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Dammit, my main computer crashed suddenly, see you all in a few days to a week maybe =< borrowing someone elses laptop.
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Dororo or Durarara. That is the question
Vonter
The cutscenes in that game kinda look a bit off, like with the Dragon Prince show they look a bit choppy.
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Personally, I'm really hoping that Orange did them so they can gain more recognition working on a big franchise.
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I'm guessing Orange, Polygon or GEMBA did the CG cutscenes for the new Fire Emblem. They look too different from Echoes' CG cutscenes to come from Khara.
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It was always the second Zelda game I never played, that one is frowned upon.
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I also loved the freaky-ass whip arms final boss too.
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It seemed darker too.
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I hold the unpopular opinion of liking majoras mask more than Ocarina, it was a harder game and it felt bigger, there was more side quest stuff to do aswell.
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@Vonter: Similarly, its be so very long since I played it, it was all the way back in 1993.
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I remember loving the end theme music too.
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@Anon: It was good seeing a more serious side to the twins and I think Haiji's leg issues will provide some good drama.
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Looks like we're getting more on Haiji's leg again.
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@Lenlo But for now, you'll just have to grin and bear it when the next preliminary races prior to the Ekiden use CG for the background runners.
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I heard from a novel reader that the book is 10 chapters long, and this is currently adapting chapter 8. Chapter 10 covering the Ekiden is the longest part of the novel and will probably be covered in 3 episodes. Hope IG is saving all their resources on this finale judging by the CG used in previous episodes.
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It's also great to see how far Kurahana has come since the start. Even when confronting Sakaki being arrogant and all.
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And so this episode of Kaze ga is a breather episode, but we do get some more character development with the twins. It's nice to see Fujioka again.
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@Lenlo: I would happily have watched two more episodes of this arc in dororo.
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Well alright
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Speaking of loving hell fonts, I notice that the review body text, and this text here are both sans-serif; which sort of princess of variable typefaces is not present for this readability bit to land?
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Dororo is awesome for just the hell fonts. I kind of expect on-brand gazebos (the temple to the 10 demons) to sell well this summer at Lowe's, Restoration Hardware, RH, wherever it is actually okay stuff derives, etc. I was kind of hoping the transitional story would lift all transitional boats, but that storyline has gone to soil microbes in the USA diaspora (though you know, stay classy PR.)
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Kemurikusa is like Kemeko DX if all the chemicals were fentanyl and the promise of a plot muted by lingering death were only ever expected to be a possibility. What had anyone watching ep. 3...5? Clinical use?
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I'm also glad that tv anime like this is allowed to be so violent in this day and age.
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To be honest it really is the only new show this season I currently especially care about.
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I decided to read the whole Dororo manga and I think this weeks episode was every bit as moving as the manga was while building on it. I think if adapted correctly dororo (the character)'s backstory, the stuff with Daigo's son will be a highlight. I do think they could get rid of shounen shark guy though later on and not bother including him.
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The other thing, is how both this and She Ra have the same premise of the main character changing from the villain to the heroic side. I don't know if that's a good pattern but it's and interesting way to build a female character in which the relationship with their old friends is a way to add pathos.
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It felt like a new version of inspector Gadget could be do like this. Considering how it frames the criminal organization (for kids). And also maybe a crossover could work?
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I watched the Carmen SanDiego Netflix series. It was ok. I did like the simple visual style and Saturday morning vibe. It's clearly more for a younger audience, yet it wasn't that boring. Still all I could think about while watching it were 2 things:
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@Bothanons: Issues on both sides of the spectrum.
@Wooper: Its the politest take you could get on that premise.
@Mario: I think the anime skipped some stuff from the after the rain manga, I should probably read the manga.
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I heard that show was about a teenage girl's crush on an older man. Sounds pretty problematic to me. I'm with the rest of the Internet on this one.
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Apparantly the other side of anime fandom (the internet) doesn’t watch Koi wa Ameagari
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The reddit anime awards are done! I did it! I was on stream! Oh joy. Can talk about this now.
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@Niello: I have decided to adopt the same approach for the new True detective season also.
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@Eoghan: Exactly my thought three episodes in. I wish I realise it before I picked up the show, because I definitely need to watch those three episodes again.
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I want to watch new boogiepop at some point, but I'm just hoping it ends so I can just marathon the show, it'd be too confusing to watch once a week, instead of straight through in one go.
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Oh I just realize it's the same team as HnK well that explains that.
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@Aidan: Unsure too about the trailer but it reminds me more of Houseki, qualitywise, and less of all the other bad CGI shows. I have hope. Same with Vinland. Trailer had some CGI and Thorkell's design feels a bit different but aside from that it was good.
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@Kaiser: The selection isn’t out until April. Heck, they haven’t annouced the head jury yet
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I should really watch Shirobako one of these days and on the manga end, read Kurozuka as I remember the bit I did read was quite different from the anime (which I loved).
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Noice.
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Is it OK to brag here? I’ve just got the acrreditation to Cannes Film Fest this year baby. Will look forward for that one
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@Anon: I watched it years ago and thought even though the first half was poor it picked up in the second. Maybe if I rewatched it my thoughts would change.
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Majestic prince is really bad man
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SuperMario
Damn, just looked at the teaser of Beastars and I’m hooked. I’m hyped for the show
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: Beastars is a good choice for them yes, as was Houseki no kuni, Majestic prince which they co-made was really underated back when it aired.
niello
I like how Orange Studio seems to have good eyes for manga. And it looks as if they are trying to go for stories that lets them avoid animating normal humans. So, ones that are more compatible with their CG visual. It'd be nice if this lead to some manga adaptation that won't happen otherwise.
Vonter
I think people get too worked up on Shield Hero. While not a great show, I have found it entertaining. I suppose the underdog aspect also got meta. With that said, I think if instead of the heroine reapplying the slave contract they should have made a contract or something like that, that felt one-sided.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually have more confidence in the cgi if its done by the houseki team.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: When I talked to amagi about Beastars I don't think I ever heard your views on it. Also from what I recall you haven't read Vinland?
AidanAK47
Yep, full CGI for Beastars. I am somewhat half and half on it as the clip isn;t bad but I am a bit too used to the style of the manga.
https://youtu.be/S6H1qskbEIg
Lenlo
I dont expect the CGI to be bad. WIT has experience because of AoT now, and the boat/open ocean can profit from it a lot more than character models.

For Beastars, if its the Houseki no Kuni team, I wouldn't worry until we see a PV
Vonter
Maybe CGI wouldn not be as distracting if characters aren't humans? I mean the Star Fox Zero short was very good looking and it was full CGI.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Full cgi I think for beastars adaptation, although done by the people who did houseki no kuni so there could be exceptions made.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I didn't expect them to try and cover his post childhood. They will probably stop at the farm arc. There will be cg, I hope it won't be intrusive.
Lenlo
Ey Vinland pv is out! Looks good! I cant wait
Animosh
@Kaiser: I'm pretty sure Yuki's family issues will be addressed later on, this just wasn't the time for it. So far the show has always followed up on the character arcs it has introduced.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Something that feels very different about huge detailed art aswell on the other end more simpler styles, in comparison to alot of the generic moe style we mostly see now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And while I am on different artstyles, I bloody love Ryoichi ikegami and Suehiro murao also.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Complete different art too, cartoony even.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Years ago I read almost of Yoshihiro's stuff, although I never got around to finishing a drifting life by him, I also read that Mizuki guy manga i mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've been wondering about this for a bit, is anyone on here familiar with the Gekiga period/wave of manga from the 50s and 60s to very early 70s? Such as stuff the by Yoshihiro Tatsumi and also Shigeru Mizuki's Onward toward noble death?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I was right in there with them waiting to hear the results.
Anonymous3391737
They took the words I was about to say right out of my mouth.
Anonymous3391737
Late to the party, but man this was a good episode, iffy CG runners aside (though I hope that'll be addressed in the BDs). I'm so glad they were able to qualify.
Lenlo
Hmmm I cant wait to watch it
Kaiser-Eoghan
This cast has grown on me. Also while I would appreciate followup on Yuki's family, I actually don't mind if the show didn't, because this series manages to say much by saying little.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm glad that even though it showed then in a top ten list, they weren't up the top of it. Its more believable that way. Also who'd of though a race would be so tense?
Animosh
Also happy to see that the twins will get some spotlight next week. Aside from Musa they've had the least development so far, so they can use the attention. I also like that someone's finally raising the question what the point of it all is. If you have no chance of winning, why compete? It's a valid question, and I'm looking forward to hearing Haiji's answer.
Animosh
Haiji's injury was less of an issue than I expected: he even finished as "best of the rest" (excluding the leading group). Looks like it'll keep simmering under the surface for now. The fact that it was highlighted again probably means it is going to play a big role in the story eventually though.
Animosh
Anyhow, you can't always get everything you want, so whatever. It's still a very good adaptation overall, with some of the most impressive animation out there, and with some luck the cuts were just a one time thing and the rest of the season will be consistently well-paced. And if not ... well, the Claw arc is less "deep" anyway, so cuts will be less of an issue there I think.
Animosh
And just to be clear, I also agree that the episode elevated the source material in many ways: the aspect ratio nonsense aside, the episode looked incredible, no question. But my complaint is not with the animation, but with the storytelling, which - although by no means awful - could have been a hell of a lot better.
Animosh
@Anon: I agree the two chapter rule isn't perfect, and when there's a lot of fighting a faster pace is often preferable. So maybe an additional episode would have been too much - again, I don't remember how much was cut exactly. And of course, in the end pacing is a matter of preference. I loved this arc in the manga, and I'm probably more negative about cuts than you guys just because of that.
Anonymous3390450
@animosh Ill always remember this episode and laud it for it was able to accomplish. There are so many things it did to elevate the source material. Everything it covered from the source material was elevated in animation; the only issue was that shit got cut, and it's a bit unfortunate because i think it could have been easily avoided. Like lenlo said: a part of our gripe comes from our manga exp
Anonymous3390450
@animosh as a product of the previous season and episodes leading up to this, but it would have been even better if we got to share the experience mob had in mogami's would. The dread and isolation mob was meant to feel was communicated artfully; but that third element; the experience; that was what was needed to complete the trifecta and cement this episode as THE perfect adaptation.
Anonymous3390450
@animosh influences mob, we are missing one more element that would have completely sealed the deal. By BONES cutting out what they did, they took away from the viewer the EXPERIENCE mob went through. Losing that aspect, watching mob's journey through mogami's illusion, slightly hampers the overall impact his breakdown and his use of his powers against people. Most of the impact is still there
Anonymous3390450
@animosh despite my criticisms, i thought this episode was fucking great. I think the directing captures the dread and haunting oppressiveness mogami's illusions were meant to have on mob quite well. The adaptation communicates well what mob went through and why it broke him. What my criticisms amount to is that while the direction communicates well how mogami's macabre thinking eventually
Anonymous3390450
@Animosh that 2-3 chapters pace is not really a reliable rule, because that standard is completely dependent on how much content is in a particular chapter. The second half of this Mob psycho episode adapted like 3 or 4 chapters without feeling rushed; why? because those chapters the second half of the episode adapted were all action scenes, which when animated, take up less runtime
Animosh
Maybe I've just been spoiled by that other big Bones adaptation, My Hero Academia, which not only has great pacing but even adds high-quality filler to improve on the source material. Compared to that ... this was rather disappointing. But as Lenlo said, the episode did still do a lot of things right, so I didn't hate it or anything. It's just that it could have been much better still.
Animosh
@Anon: maybe that would have been enough (it would certainly have been an improvement). It's been so long since I read the manga that I don't know how much was cut exactly. But in general 2-3 chapters per episode is the pace adaptations should aim for, but these two episodes covered a whopping 8 chapters. That's just too much, especially for an arc where build-up is so important.
Lenlo
I think a longer episode, cut the OP, squeeze out every minute, would be better than a whole nother full episode.

Thing is, I think we are only a bit disappointed because we were manga readers. For anime only, this probably still hit all the right notes. And really, the entire episode is just straight fire animation wise
Anonymous3390290
@Animosh Nah; i don't think giving it 1 more episode would have been the answer, all it would have done is drag things out. What this episode needed to tape into its full potential was to be an extended episode; a 27 min ep that cut both the op and ed. If mediocre shows like re:zero can get 26 min eps commissioned out the wazoo then why can't a great show like mob psycho get that shit?
Animosh
I did still enjoy the episode as a collection of well-animated action set-pieces, but as a story arc just one more episode could have made it so much better imo.
Animosh
To use your example: no, an episode filled with suffering wouldn't have been fun. But now we barely got a glimpse of what Mob went through. The boy went through hell, and he was stuck there for six (!) months. Even so, he decided to forgive Minori, and his positive emotions beat Mogami's negative ones. In the manga that felt like a triumph, here not so much.
Animosh
But as a viewer (and a manga reader who's a fan of this arc), I thought it was somewhat disappointing. Yes, without the cuts the episodes may have been a bit less engaging, but I think that would have been fine all things considered. Build-up episodes are always less fun than the dramatic highlights, but they're necessary to make them land.
Animosh
@Lenlo: I understand why Bones did it this way, and I agree it would have been harder to make each episode engaging, get them to end at good points etc otherwise. It's also very possible they were contracted for a certain number of episodes, and if they want to get to the end of the Claw arc in 12 episodes some short cuts were inevitable.
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