Posted by psgels on 19 January 2008 with categories: Tsubasa Chronicle, Tsubasa Tokyo Revelations


Now this is more like it! This episode was much better than the first one. I still have a lot of problems with it, but at least the music has become much better. The amount of new plot-twists is also baffling. In one episode, the plot has been pushed forward as much as the original TV-series did in 52 episodes. Still, I don’t yet consider the Tsubasa Chronicle OVA to be better than the series.

That doesn’t mean that the series didn’t have its problems, though. What was Bee-Train thinking, putting such a dark story in the NHK-channel? I now also finally understand the reason why so many fillers were added. Bee-Train knew that there was no way to put some key-moments in this arc on the air, so they decided to just go with their own story and do what they were good at.

For me, the biggest problem with this episode is that it was really far-fetched. The battle underwater was already pushing my suspense of disbelief (how long can people hold in their breath anyway? And how can these guys flawlessly fight each other, just as easily as if they were on land), but that turned out to be just the tip of the ice-berg.

So, basically Syaoran was already as a kid a very talented magician. In there, he created a clone and gave this clone his eye. The task of this clone was to collect the feathers that would come out of Sakura in about ten years. In order to prepare for that, the clone-Syaoran got his eye sealed and moved to the clow-country where he made friends with Sakura, and later fell in love with her. For some reason beyond me, the original Syaoran was sealed away by Fei Wong, but he could see everything that the clone-Syaoran did.

To make things even more complicated, Syaoran is supposed to be a descendant of Clow Reed. Sakura is also the daughter of some king of the Clow-country, which gives us many hints that she too is a descendant of Clow Reed. It’s strange to think that I spent more than 52 episodes watching some very strange kind of incest-relationship… Also, Fei Wong turned out to be yet another descendant of Clow Reed, hinting that he’s either Syaoran’s father or some kind of uncle.

In any case, while clone-Syaoran is fighting under water, Fye jumps in and just starts using his magic from out of nowhere, even though he vowed not to use magic without his tattoo. Clone Syaoran then BITES the guy’s eye out, which turn out to be the source of his power. Strangely enough, Syaoran gains Fye’s powers by eating Fye’s eye. Syaoran’s powers, by the way, also increased greatly with this. Apparently, the seal on his eye was broken at this point (don’t ask me how or why), and now he’s strong enough to even pwn Kurogane.

In the meantime, the real Syaoran was helped by Xing-Huo (who was punished by Fei Wong afterwards (read: killed)), goes to Yuuko and is teleported to the Clone Syaoran. The two fight, but Clone-Syaoran is now much stronger than the real one due to Fye’s magic.

The feather turned out to be in the middle of a cocoon, in the middle of the pool. Apparently, this was the thing that kept the clean water flowing. Somehow, Sakura’s soul ended up in that cocoon. When Sakura’s body got near the cocoon, it disappeared, and I guess it ended up in the cocoon as well. She then prevents the real Syaoran from killing the clone-one. Clone Syaoran then cuts up yet another cocoon and the feather comes out. He gives it to Sakura and then walks off on his own, leaving her. Kamui, who I guess was unconscious for this time, magically reappears and pulls a person out of this cocoon. Apparently, this person was the reason why he was so protective of the water, and he’s glad that this person is okay. Seriously, the next episode has some real explanation to do, because both subplots need a lot of explanation to make sense to me. The more I think about it, the more questions I have. You can say a lot of Bee-Train, but at least they managed to make sure that everything in the tv-series made sense. Was the manga also so incredibly confusing at this point?

Oh, and there’s one character that I’ve really disliked in the new OVA: Sakura. Oh, how deep did she fall. First, she sleeps for more than an entire episode, then she wakes up, goes “Syaoran! Syaoran!”, gets overwhelmed by the new Syaoran, and falls asleep again. I seriously liked the lovable heroine from the TV-series much better.

28 Responses

  1. flou says:

    …so they decided to just go with their own story and do what they were good at.

    I wouldn’t call filler-land what they are good at, but okay.

  2. Dav/Keiri says:

    Was the manga also so incredibly confusing at this point?

    Nope. The Manga wasn’t confusing to me during this part of the Tokyo arc, but I’ve got to admit, it came as an utter shock.

    It seems the OVA is primarily targetted at fans who have read the Manga or fans who have some sort of slightly comprehensive understanding on what is happening in the canon Tsubasa world. There was that gap in the Anime after all, where they stuffed in a filler and ended with that filler whereas the Manga continued with the Tokyo arc immediately after the Record arc. The OVA story may either be OMGWTFBBQ!! awesome or downright plain rushed and confusing, the latter case probably to fans who are familiar with the series by watching the Anime only. Still, it always depends on an individual’s preference. :)

    Well, in any case, this OVA gets more than a double thumbs up from me because of how faithful it stayed to the original (despite a few deviations). Ohkawa-sensei is a legend when she’s in charge of script and screenplay. ^^

  3. Unknown Voice says:

    Ok, the eye eating is the same as the heart. IF the power was condensed in the eyeballs, then Clone absorbed it by eating.

    As for descendants of Clow – for all we know there might be TWO Clows. One from Yuuko’s world and one of Clow Country.

    For holding their breath – Kamui does not need it. You know, being vampire and all. As for clone – he was struggling due to the water first, but when his “clone” self reappeared, it did not matter – he latter got his hand broken by kurogane and it did not matter to him. So even if his lungs are full of water, Clone would continue to function, like a living terminator, i guess. Clone is able to use the “body” to the full capabilities, with no fear that something(muscles, etc) will break.

    And the Clone was created by FWR, not Syaoran. But Syaoran succeeded in messing up FWR’s plans a bit by placing his OWN eye into which he condensed half of his own personality(or “heart) and pushed it into the Clone’s eye. Syaoran gambled on the possibility that Clone will create his own heart till the seal breaks. And if it did not happen, Syaoran promised to himself to kill the Clone.

    Sakura’s soul ending up there was explained already – she was drawn there by the feather. And later the entire body was drawn to the soul. Even during Beetrain’s series Sakura was always drawn to the feathers, so this time there were TWO feathers in one place, so it was strong enough to pull out only soul to that place.

    AS for manga – yup, and it gets even more confusind when we find out about other character’s past and then it will all suddenly make sense after yet another revelation (even the little bits, like yuuko not getting wet by the rain in first episode).

    As for Fai using magic – It was elaborated in previous episode by kurogane. Fai wants to die, but he does NOT want to be the reason of the other person’s death. As we already saw in this episode Fai knows A LOT more about whats happening and since he already associated himself with Syaoran during their journey, he can’t leave him going killer-mode. And he did already broke his vow in Library for similar reasons.

    What Beetrain succeeded to do is to confuse. Guessing stuff, or making up things as they go (Fai with HAPPY past? aww come on, such a thing is not possible).

    As for Sakura – lets just say this will greatly affect her character, expect A LOT of character development for her and Fai in next episode…and forget about lovable damsel in distress…

  4. Charlie Lundy says:

    I really enjoyed this episode. MUCH more then the the hack job studio Bee Train did on the series. At least this time the animation isn’t dull (to be fair, it is an OVA series so it gets a better budget), the plot actually moves somewhere (pretty much every Studio Bee Train production has crappy and slow pacing) and finally, IMO, Tsubasa is getting animated the way it deserves. Studio Bee Train literally ruined one of my favourite manga series of all time, and it’s nice for Tsubasa to finally get some justice with a different studio.

  5. Ninee says:

    Hello… I haven’t watched this but the third picture caught my attention. Isn’t that from XXXHolic TV??! Did they cameo her in that new series? Thanks for your ever so insightful blog posts!

  6. Dav/Keiri says:

    Tsubasa and HOLiC are deeply linked with each other, as in they have certain events cross over with one another. If you read Tsubasa and HOLiC Manga, you’d notice they have several events that happen in both of them, and interestingly, from their own individual perspective. So yes, you do have Tsubasa characters cameo-ing in HOLiC and vice versa. Unfortunately in the TV series of HOLiC, they completely cut out the Tsubasa events but hopefully, they may change it for the 2nd season of HOLiC. Fat chance but I’m still wishing (yet still, it’ll be weird if they suddenly brought in Tsubasa characters when they didn’t appear in the 1st season before).

  7. nahrub says:

    it’s more than just xxxholic. most of the characters are from others clamp’s works, though they may not have the same personality and/or background. x/1999, chobits, ccs, etc.

  8. yoshi927 says:

    I’m not sure what you think is so horrible, pgsels. I can understand if you liked the Bee-Train version better, but this was one great episode. And, I mean, Fai used his magic “out of nowhere”? I don’t remember you saying anything like that back when he did magic in the library arc. And, I wouldn’t say he pwned Kurogane. First off, you have to keep in mind that Kurogane didn’t have his sword. And even still, he managed to break Cloneran’s arm.

  9. psgels psgels says:

    Yoshi: horrible isn’t the right word. This episode was by no means bad, but I do admit that I was disappointed by it. It’s like Dav/Keiri said: this OVA is really targetted towards the people who read the manga, and knew what’s going to happen. For me, this episode was a huge confusing information-overload, especially considering the slow pacing of the television-series.

    And regarding Fye/Fai’s magic: in the library-arc, he at least justified it by claiming that it wasn’t the kind of magic that he learned. In this arc, his sudden change of character really came from nowhere for me.

  10. Lika says:

    The episode was moving at a very fast pace because they had to cram about a volumn of information into 30 minutes (3 volumns for the Tokyo arc, three OVAs), and I was actually quite impressed by how much they’ve crammed (and horrified at how much left they have to do…).

    The fight underwater was… pretty crazy to tell the truth. xD I assure you that the manga chapter dealing with that fight was not nearly as long and OMGWTFBBQ about it.

    As for Fai, in the library, he was lying. He’s been lying about quite a lot of things, actually and they aren’t revealed until we hit his homeworld. The markings that Yuuko took from him aren’t what everyone thinks they are (I love how CLAMP did that part. Horray for trusting reader to jump to the wrong conclusion!).

    I hope that clears up a little bit! (If you think the OVA’s confusing… oh gods, you don’t want to see what the manga readers are going through right now. Just… WTF CLAMP. WTF.)

  11. Mr. Toto says:

    I didn’t find it confusing, and I hadn’t read the manga prior to seeing the OVA. It’s actually so close to what happened in the manga, it’s ridiculous. Bee-Train’s pace was much too slow, and I’m really loving the animation and excitement this OVA has to offer.

  12. Jalin says:

    Fwee~
    I’ll be assuming you dont’ read the manga and only follow the anime.

    Either way, fwee!
    Plot Twists!!!! In Action!
    The reason why it might be confusing is because of the pace and structure that BeeTrain was going through. If you followed the manga, its less confusing, as the ‘heavy’ atmopshere continued from the Library Arc. Bee Train’s ‘world fillers’ quite mess up the pace and flow of the original. Its like its jumping back and forth, from happy to sad to happy to sad, where in the manga is Happy sad sad sad, angst etc…

    But i am interested into seeing how they’ll put the entire Tokyo Arc into the OVA, it was long enough as it was in the manga, just seeing it all in 1.5 hours seems ‘wow’.

    But i have no complaints, It’s all good ;)

  13. shogun22 says:

    Wow! Finally something is happening.
    I haven’t read the manga, but the TV series must have a bunch of fillers since many episodes seem repetitive(new place same story).
    But I found the Tokyo Revealtions OVA’s very entertaining.

  14. ida15 says:

    NOTE: This comment is full of spoilers
    As I had not read the manga and only seen the Tsubasa TV series, my issue with the released OVAs was that I was forced to completely change my previous perceptions of the two Syaorans. The Syaoran of the TV series was a strong, determined person with a mysterious, dark past. The other Syaoran (the eye-patched Syaoran) was an evil servant of Fei Wang, who could control the good Syaoran’s actions. This evil Syaoran was needed by Fei to achieve his desire for power. Indeed, Xing Huo and Fei Wang seemed to want and were waiting for Syaoran’s ‘awakening’.
    In the OVA, these ideas were completely wrong. The ‘good’ Syaoran turned out to be a clone created by Fei Wang; the ‘evil’ Syaoran turned out to be the real Syaoran, who heroically placed half of his heart in the clone to control the clone’s speech and actions. The real Syaoran was actually being imprisoned in the water structure, and Fei Wang certainly did not want Syaoran’s ‘awakening’.
    For 52 episodes, I watched the ‘good’ Syaoran’s friendship and loyalty to Fye, Sakura and Kurogane. Suddenly this character who I thought I knew so well, was cold and heartless (literally), eating his travelling companion’s eye, treating Kurogane with cold contempt and ignoring the feelings of the person who was apparently most important to him. If only Beetrain produced their own complication and ending to the events, where everything was not so horrific.
    But this OVA was very engaging.

  15. Raven says:

    This is a pathetic review of a great OVA. There is just no effort or energy put into it if thats the best review you could produce. Honestly, half of the events you have criticised are explained in the OVA.. FOR EXAMPLE.. The reason why the seal broke and why Syaoran put the eye into the clone.

    The reason why the real Syaoran was imprisoned is pretty obvious if the reviewer actually paid attention.. Yukko said that he has paid with his “freedom and time” and besides why would he want the real Syaoran running loose from the start when the journey for the feathers began?? Obvious interference!! Think about it!

    And regarding Sakura… This is where her real character development starts, all that rubbish about her flourishing into a heroine by shooting laser guns etc etc is just Bee Train filler that should only be regarded as the rubbish it is.

    Usually, i wouldnt comment but i just really felt that i should after reading the immensely lazy and pathetic attempt at a review of such a quality OVA. This was a major turning point of the story and should be treated with at least a bit of effort.

  16. fireflygo says:

    Im sorry but ive hardly ever bothered to comment on a blog, but i must agree with the post above that this was a really pathetic review. I lose respect for any one who thinks that BeeTrain’s filler crap was good while Production IGs faithful rendering was “confusing?” Most issues you picked up are already explained, sometime you have to use your brain as well, an anime that spoon feeds you is not my idea of ‘character development.’ atleast BeeTrain did what they were good at? sheesh, the CLAMP authors themselves were appalled by BeeTrain ruining this great story and gave them the boot.

    Also your understanding is wronf. Saoran did not create his clone. its OBVIOUS Fein-wong was trying to create the clone with his magic (so the clone would serve him) and saoran broke the barrier for a monent and transferred his eye to the clone. “For some reason beyond me…” huh?!

    Also, err..the clone was NOT depicted as being stronger than the real one. I really dont know how you got that idea. The real Saoran was going to kill him with a sword while the clone was on his knees for GOODNESS SAKE, if it hadnt been for sakura’s intervention.

    And this episode was about the two saorans mainly, you want to see this story , give me a break, you expect sakura and every character from the bandwagon to have 20 minute dialogues and action? thats the format of a fanservice anime where everyone is speaking at the same time and its chaos. Everything in BeeTrain’s made sense because they didnt even tell the story for a start, they were just fooling around.

    And my goodness, if two people are descendents of a tribe it doesnt mean they are brother and sister! if you marry someone who is the daaughter of your great grand father’s third son’s 2nd daughter, that is not incest, and you are of the same clan. git.

    Im sorry for ranting but before you diss something at least make an effort.

  17. psgels psgels says:

    First of all, when I wrote this review, I was still half-confused by the information-overload of this episode, so yes, I fully agree that this review isn’t amongst my best works.

    To me, who hasn’t read the manga, for example, it really looked like Shaoran was the one who created his clone and put in his eye to give it life, and that’s probably where most of my confusion came from. At that point, I was too busy wondering who the heck would be willing to poke out his own eye as a child.

  18. Emo_Kid says:

    Ok I totally agree with you Sakura is different from in the 1st series! She’s asleep most of the time and she’s so…girly in these episodes!! But how many episodes are there going to be of these?? I’ve looked everywhere and still can’t find anything!

  19. Raven says:

    There are going to be 3 OVA’s. Of course Sakura is different from what she is in the series, how she was portrayed in the series was derived from the filler-laden Bee Train effort. Finally we are getting the real story thanks to Production IG’s excellent efforts through the OVA’s. Its a shame that they didnt do the series right from the start, it would have been great. Its sad that theres only one OVA left to enjoy

  20. Raven says:

    …At that point, I was too busy wondering who the heck would be willing to poke out his own eye as a child…

    With that sort of response you have to ask yourself… Are you the right sort of person to be reviewing anime?

    Open you’re mind a bit friend, its artistic media.. Think imagination..

  21. Panda says:

    I am just about to start watching the Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles anime and I’m trying to figure out where Tokyo Revelations fits.

    If I watch up to episode 43 of the anime and then watch Tokyo Revelations, will it make sense? Will I have avoided the filler episodes and jump straight on to the next story arc?

  22. Kriske Otama says:

    That was just one of the best and worst episodes ever. I love it but it made me feel horible.

  23. Unknown Voice says:

    @Panda
    Its enough to watch till the end of ep 42 and to think that they “succeeded in going to the next world”.

  24. ida15 says:

    Sigh, it looks my comment didn’t go down too well with most of the fans on this website. Ok, ok, I get everyone’s point that a good plot shouldn’t be the sanitised, cushioned fill ins that Bee Train created. Since it’s been about 3 months since i watched the second OVA, I guess I’ve become less attached to my perceptions of the characters based on Bee Train. So I’m looking forward to the next OVA!

  25. it’s great and best episode
    thanx ^___O

  26. Melody says:

    there are only 3 episodes of this series.

  27. Penguin says:

    Well the part where you said they had an incest relationship, if you have watched Cardcaptor Sakura, then Syaoran’s mother is Sakura, someone unrelated to Clow Reed or the main Sakura you see and also Syaoran’s father is another Syaoran (might be a bit confusing) and he is only a blood descendant.

    Of my knowledge, Clow Reed in Cardcaptor Sakura has no children so I dont think they are incest =D

  28. Zaric says:

    I have never read the manga, but I gave up on the anime towards the end. Reason? There was no real character development. Same people, doing the same things, reset things every new world and repeat.

    Fai always felt like a key unturned, so much potential in him and Sakura could have become more as well. Syaoran too was incomplete.

    I have to say with this OAV I am happy to see that I can now stand to watch this again. Things have changed, people have evolved, and the story has stepped out of the sandbox.

    The Syaoran-clone story felt like it was destined to happen, especially with the anime’s first OP, the depictions of the boy floating his face obscured, it was clear that that was Syaoran, or a clone of him.

    The introduction of a Real-Syaoran, means that the concept of Syaoran can expand beyond what he once was. Either the clone can evolve to match his real self, or the real self can show just how superior he is. In any case, it just makes “Syaoran” cooler.

    Overall, I hope to see more OAVs to come in the future. Unlike the TV anime, I can stand to watch this.

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its almost like he could be an antagonist
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@Amagi: which part of Firework that you stopped? It's the movie that make less and less sense as the story goes on so I feel you on that
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I really wonder what's up with this guy. Considering the hype and VN screens he gets he seems to be more than just random side-protagonist. Looking forward to the rest of this series.
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One of my favorite OPs this season
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Something might only become popular 4 weeks later but it doesn't matter because it's still there and people can watch it whenever they want and the other series don't matter since it isn't a classical rivalry as we know it from tv.
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"Less people watched the first episode than the 1000th iteration of [insert some "classic" movie old people watch for the sake if it]. With streaming plattforms like Netflix and others series just get dumped and are always accesible.
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Another reason for why I prefer streams and stuff: TV and quotes are a horror. They often cancelled series after one or two episodes because the quotes didn't live up to what they wanted. Instead of giving a new series some time. It needs time to get a fanbase and people often need weeks to even know about a new series, but nope.
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Same here. I really want to give small companies or indie/artists a chance, but it's not always easy.
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What baffled me was the British film institute blocking Irish users using their legal streams.
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Believe it or not I actually WANT to support.
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While I do pirate alot, in cases where an obscure film actually gets a cinema release I make sure to pay to see it at the cinema, I support all the rare anime screenings too.
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There is so much stuff I had to pirate or I would have had to relinquish it completely. Even with non-fiction books for my university studies.
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lmao. But I 100% agree. Maybe you're lucky if you live in the US but otherwise you are often enough f*ed. Bad marketing.
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Point I was trying to make is that, region blocking is only encouraging piracy more.
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narf~ couldn't manage to finish that Firework movie, do I miss much? It seems like something that might have a bunch of good ideas for the later part but the first half just bored me and I couldn't get into it for some reason.
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Release your damn indie project on a reputable site or at least offer a paypal option and if its something off-colour in content, send the bloody thing digitally and not as a dvd.
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"This video cannot be streamed outside of"
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Amagi
Guess the last 1/3 might be more interesting when they start with the actual world building for once, although they could probably slam the love stuff even more in our faces but who knows. Not fond of any of the latest Trigger anime to be honest.
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Also they're really overdoing it with all that obvious message stuff and the "love superpower" trope I always hated anyway. Still watching I mean at least it has a plot and tries.
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I really love this season as well.
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Even so, with this season I'm still willing to give some shows another chance, like Caligula or Cutie Honey Universe(!)
SuperMario
For me, the best season in recent years was Fall 2016 when we had Flip Flappers, Sound Eupho 2, Yuri on Ice, Natsume 4, Fune wo Amu, Drifters and 3-gatsu no Lion. But I know that Aidan would disagree with me on this
SuperMario
@anon2028201: it's me who said this season is a mixed bag. It's like you said, this season is too heavily on sequels/ reboots and only some new anime stand out, the rest of the pack is just meh.
Anonymous2028201
To me this seems like a pretty good seasons, but judging some of the impressions, it's a bit more of a mixed bag for most. Just curious, what were the best seasons for recent anime? This one seems good to me, but to early to tell right now
Anonymous2028201
Lovin this season so far: a lot of reboots/reimaginings and sequels, but I'm enjoying them all. MHA S3, LOGH DNT, S;G 0, Megalobox, Golden Kamuy are what I'm watching right now. I hear Full Metal Panic is good as well, but I haven't gotten around to watching the original series.
Anonymous2028258
so i just recently rewatched fullmetal panic fumoffu and i gotta say that this is easily one of Kyo ani's best works. It's such a surprise that this was their first anime; it's a damn good romance comedy
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lol I love B-movie type stuff, because the rules are off.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was the only person who watched Mazinkaiser skl and shin mazinger and skullman.
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser Takeshi Koike really wanted to really sell it as a grindhouse feature and I ate that shit up; I really dug the tone he was going for.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: It was strange seeing that Goemon short, much as I enjoyed it, thats the goriest I seen lupin get.
Anonymous2026379
Megalo box is pure retro while lupin is a mix of old and new...and you're right; people just think they can't jump right into it. But that's why more people should be talking about it; to let the masses know that you don't need a starting point to get into the Lupin franchise
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm a massive fan of the devilman manga and I thought devilman crybaby was better than it.
Anonymous2026379
90's-esque throwback feeling shows like lupin and megalo box have been giving me
Anonymous2026379
Luoin part 5 is definitely mixing the best of new and old. Honestly, I've been having a blast with it as well as this generally 90
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think the problem is, people see lupin as this long thing they can't get into, when really its so episodic/standalone mostly you can pick up and watch.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And of course getting the best bits out of old and new.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*visual style
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm a fan of this hybrid old and new style, megalobox does it too, mine fujiko aswell and casshern sins.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised by how well the Fujiko mine show came together in the end.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'll be interested in picking up more facts about thrm.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Come think of it, Akira Kurosawa did some old western (eastern?) in Russian, that had an Ainu in it.
Anonymous2026379
Asirpa is sooooo adorable.....almost feels patronizing to say that about her due to how badass she is
Anonymous2026379
What makes Fujiko work so well as this sexy icon is that she isn't just sexy: she's smart as shit and uses that sexiness to dominate and control her opponents (similar to bayonetta) rather than be chained by the objectification of her opponents (and the viewers for that matter)
Anonymous2026379
I wonder what other obscure cameos we may get this season. And yea you're right about some of Lupin's potentially sexist traits being assuaged by his level of cool and the genuine respect he shows a good deal of the women he has encountered throughout the series
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yet still a fun film at the same time.
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser Yea, mamo was a pretty dark element introduced to the lupin franchise; and considering the tone of the gravestone of Jigen, it makes sense he would cameo there
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Help I want to kidnap Asirpa =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I'm probably as surprised as you, at finding someone to talk to about Lupin on here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: And through comparing/contrasting the jigen grave stone and Fujiko mine, with some of the sillier older ones, it shows the Lupin characters are flexible enough to work both in a darker AND sillier context.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*character
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Fujiko is precisely how a fanservicey character should work and how built in/essential it is to her haracter, without becoming an irritant.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: By all means Lupin himself shouldn't be a character we like, much like Bond, but like Bond theres a coolness to the character that allows us to love him.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Another great thing about Lupin is how it uses its 60s cool to get away with what would normally probably be considered fairly sexist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I had a big smile on my face when Mamo made a cameo appearance at the end of one of the recent ones and thats because I remember the Lupin Mamo movie was one of those first anime that I watched about 20 years aago.
Anonymous2026379
not to mention that its one of the few anime this season that actually knows how to utilize dialogue to explore flesh out its characters rather than exposition or contrivance: looking at you darling in the franxx
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser-Eoghan Nice fun facts; but yea Lupin III is a series that has always had an amazing sense of pacing and adventure, traits that are definitely on display this season
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Its a huge franchise too so I'm often never sure where to go next.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: You may or may not know this, but the voice actor for solid snake voiced Lupin in one of the dubs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I watched a few episodes of the Italy set lupin show too .
Its a fun franchise due to its cast but its something I have to follow irregularly, lest it get repetitive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Fun fact, guy who directed the gold of babylon film was a famous B-movie noir director in the 60s.
Lenlo
Dont trust anything written by the original SAO author. Everything is his fault. Kirito is not in this series.
Lenlo
Even the original SAO author has little to do with it, which is why its actually good
Lenlo
So SAO Alt is basically completely removed from the rest of SAO
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lupin is one of those things I dip in and out of, whatever part of the franchise it is. I've seen birdcage kingdom, Mamo, cagliostro, nostradamus, Jigens grave stone, mine fujiko and the recent Goemon centred special.
Anonymous2026379
it's a damn shame not a lot of ppl are talkig about/watching lupin the third this season
Kaiser-Eoghan
But for all I know with that team behind it, its an improvement, but theres probably not much point in me watching as I dropped the first season after less than 10 episodes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
See how he attempts to seduce me into watching something related to sword art.
Lenlo
Huh... I didnt know the writer for SAO Alt was written by the Kino's Journey creator and produced by the Flip Flappers people. Explains a lot
Lenlo
I wish I knew what you meant by shaman girls, and I cant wait
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Oh I know Leskinen. May he find his Japanese Shaman girls one day. But seeing as I know the story I wanna experience it differently.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Its even set in hokkaido, Korean/Japanese director, Japanese cast, Ken Watanabe is in it: https://letterboxd.com/film/unforgiven-2013/
Lenlo
Also, I love the ED. Really, 2 episodes in, I love S;G all over again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: really? They remade Unforgiven in Japanese?
Lenlo
its*
Lenlo
Like... is good.
Lenlo
But your missing out on the cult of Leskinen. The engrish is actually one of my favorite parts
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Meanwhile I am happily waiting for the dub.
Lenlo
Dangit... I have to wait another week for Steins;Gate 0 now. I cant do this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The Japanese remake of unforgiven had ainu people in it.
Anonymous2025797
Also I wonder if budget is distributed according to the director, some animes will spend more in the first episode. Some will spend more in the last ones. It's subjective, but if it's like all business it is looking for the better result at the minimum expense. Hence why I believe Berserk was made the way it did.
Anonymous2025797
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Ideally a story should be as long as it needs. But reality seems that a number of episodes is decided before production. And so you either have to stretch or cut material. Kinda like that 300 page manga of Les Miserables, is simply unfeasible translating that book into that few pages.
KTravlos
Oberstein was a great character.
KTravlos
I actually feel Aidan can do a good job on it. Sometimes been too exposed to the material may lead to clouded eyes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I'm surprised by how I unexpectedly laughed at wotaku, I do wonder if later on it will include any slight drama elements to sustain interest.
Kaiser-Eoghan
OMO; OBERsteins; Gate =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
From watching episode 2 of golden kamuy, yeah, the source material definitely is lifting this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm going to have to wait and see on steins; gate 0, it is encouraging to here this might be darker , at the same time I remember having to sit through too much goofy humour in the first one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was actually surprised, that, while rare, there were some moments of humour, that lightened it for me.
AidanAK47
Throughout the entire series I expected Oberstein to pull some inevitable double cross. And was shocked when he never did.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Agree with Oberstein. I think antagonists are es important as the mains in fiction and I loved this guy, he's perfect for series like these.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Galactic heroes was an example of where when watching it, when big death scenes occured, I would make noooooo and shouting noises at the screen while clenching my fist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love characters like Oberstein, shrewd, clever, but done right to where I can believe it, not characters like, say Lelouch .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd be concerned if the new galactic heroes series skimps on the violence, that kind of thing needs to be in there, in most shows/films and shown to be explicit, consequences need to be shown.
Amagi
*about, not with
Amagi
Sadly, most original 2+ cours series I know feel dragged whereas many 1 cours originals could have needed ~3 more episodes. Talking with series that have an actual plot of course.
Amagi
I really like the 13 episodes thingy for originals but I wish there would be more 26 episodes series, especially for adaptions.
Amagi
@Kaiser: I agree. Nothing kills my interest faster than formularic episodes and repetition.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In general I think 50 episodes would be the most I'd watch for an anime, 39 seems ideal.
Amagi
Or worse and the romance drama is the main plot and it's Kiznaiver all over again, while the rest is just flavor to make the romances more forced since they're the MCs are only teens and such. Dunno but I can never bring myself to care about this kind of stuff.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though better 110 episodes of galactic heroes than a long shounen that just repeats itself.
Amagi
Speaking of recent episodes, I unironically thing that FranXX's world (building) is pretty interesting (although I hope those klaxxosaurusses will be more than just random cannon fodder) but I doubt the series will ever get to the main plot again the next time.
Amagi
Same here. It was really the only time I did this. I am usually exhausted by just thinking about marathoning long series. It's the reason why I won't get into FMP for the new series either. LotGH was an exception since I found it easily to watch for some reason.
SuperMario
Man, just image burning through 110 episodes of it and my spirit fades away
Amagi
Watched that whole series ages ago.
Amagi
Just watched the first three Neue These episodes and I surprinsingly liked it. Thought I would hate it due to being an OVA fan, and I still prefer the old designs by far but overall it's pretty good. I think I might even prefer this version of the first battle, but I have to rewatch the old one I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also while I can't remember which episode, Yang picks up a book with the author of the series' name on it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Arslan feels so lightweight by contrast/comparison.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I think, given your knowledge KTtravlos, that a series review of the new galactic heroes season would probably benefit from you writing it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I bring up the music in my earlier comment, because I can understand your reservations regarding the music choice in the remake.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And certainly one of those shows, that going back to the first episode after finishing, gives a strong perspective just on how evolving the series was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*despite me not
Kaiser-Eoghan
Despite not being monarchist , because the characters were human moreso than cartoon characters I couldn't hate on Reinhard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: I suppose by the time it got to Julian's arc, I was surprised they were still bothering to fight but the fact that they were essentially the last bastion of their beliefs made it special.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: Sometimes when I just finish a show, its a case where I HAVE to jump online immediately after and excitedly ramble out an essay on it.
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