Posted by psgels on 19 January 2008 with categories: Tsubasa Chronicle, Tsubasa Tokyo Revelations


Now this is more like it! This episode was much better than the first one. I still have a lot of problems with it, but at least the music has become much better. The amount of new plot-twists is also baffling. In one episode, the plot has been pushed forward as much as the original TV-series did in 52 episodes. Still, I don’t yet consider the Tsubasa Chronicle OVA to be better than the series.

That doesn’t mean that the series didn’t have its problems, though. What was Bee-Train thinking, putting such a dark story in the NHK-channel? I now also finally understand the reason why so many fillers were added. Bee-Train knew that there was no way to put some key-moments in this arc on the air, so they decided to just go with their own story and do what they were good at.

For me, the biggest problem with this episode is that it was really far-fetched. The battle underwater was already pushing my suspense of disbelief (how long can people hold in their breath anyway? And how can these guys flawlessly fight each other, just as easily as if they were on land), but that turned out to be just the tip of the ice-berg.

So, basically Syaoran was already as a kid a very talented magician. In there, he created a clone and gave this clone his eye. The task of this clone was to collect the feathers that would come out of Sakura in about ten years. In order to prepare for that, the clone-Syaoran got his eye sealed and moved to the clow-country where he made friends with Sakura, and later fell in love with her. For some reason beyond me, the original Syaoran was sealed away by Fei Wong, but he could see everything that the clone-Syaoran did.

To make things even more complicated, Syaoran is supposed to be a descendant of Clow Reed. Sakura is also the daughter of some king of the Clow-country, which gives us many hints that she too is a descendant of Clow Reed. It’s strange to think that I spent more than 52 episodes watching some very strange kind of incest-relationship… Also, Fei Wong turned out to be yet another descendant of Clow Reed, hinting that he’s either Syaoran’s father or some kind of uncle.

In any case, while clone-Syaoran is fighting under water, Fye jumps in and just starts using his magic from out of nowhere, even though he vowed not to use magic without his tattoo. Clone Syaoran then BITES the guy’s eye out, which turn out to be the source of his power. Strangely enough, Syaoran gains Fye’s powers by eating Fye’s eye. Syaoran’s powers, by the way, also increased greatly with this. Apparently, the seal on his eye was broken at this point (don’t ask me how or why), and now he’s strong enough to even pwn Kurogane.

In the meantime, the real Syaoran was helped by Xing-Huo (who was punished by Fei Wong afterwards (read: killed)), goes to Yuuko and is teleported to the Clone Syaoran. The two fight, but Clone-Syaoran is now much stronger than the real one due to Fye’s magic.

The feather turned out to be in the middle of a cocoon, in the middle of the pool. Apparently, this was the thing that kept the clean water flowing. Somehow, Sakura’s soul ended up in that cocoon. When Sakura’s body got near the cocoon, it disappeared, and I guess it ended up in the cocoon as well. She then prevents the real Syaoran from killing the clone-one. Clone Syaoran then cuts up yet another cocoon and the feather comes out. He gives it to Sakura and then walks off on his own, leaving her. Kamui, who I guess was unconscious for this time, magically reappears and pulls a person out of this cocoon. Apparently, this person was the reason why he was so protective of the water, and he’s glad that this person is okay. Seriously, the next episode has some real explanation to do, because both subplots need a lot of explanation to make sense to me. The more I think about it, the more questions I have. You can say a lot of Bee-Train, but at least they managed to make sure that everything in the tv-series made sense. Was the manga also so incredibly confusing at this point?

Oh, and there’s one character that I’ve really disliked in the new OVA: Sakura. Oh, how deep did she fall. First, she sleeps for more than an entire episode, then she wakes up, goes “Syaoran! Syaoran!”, gets overwhelmed by the new Syaoran, and falls asleep again. I seriously liked the lovable heroine from the TV-series much better.

28 Responses

  1. flou says:

    …so they decided to just go with their own story and do what they were good at.

    I wouldn’t call filler-land what they are good at, but okay.

  2. Dav/Keiri says:

    Was the manga also so incredibly confusing at this point?

    Nope. The Manga wasn’t confusing to me during this part of the Tokyo arc, but I’ve got to admit, it came as an utter shock.

    It seems the OVA is primarily targetted at fans who have read the Manga or fans who have some sort of slightly comprehensive understanding on what is happening in the canon Tsubasa world. There was that gap in the Anime after all, where they stuffed in a filler and ended with that filler whereas the Manga continued with the Tokyo arc immediately after the Record arc. The OVA story may either be OMGWTFBBQ!! awesome or downright plain rushed and confusing, the latter case probably to fans who are familiar with the series by watching the Anime only. Still, it always depends on an individual’s preference. :)

    Well, in any case, this OVA gets more than a double thumbs up from me because of how faithful it stayed to the original (despite a few deviations). Ohkawa-sensei is a legend when she’s in charge of script and screenplay. ^^

  3. Unknown Voice says:

    Ok, the eye eating is the same as the heart. IF the power was condensed in the eyeballs, then Clone absorbed it by eating.

    As for descendants of Clow – for all we know there might be TWO Clows. One from Yuuko’s world and one of Clow Country.

    For holding their breath – Kamui does not need it. You know, being vampire and all. As for clone – he was struggling due to the water first, but when his “clone” self reappeared, it did not matter – he latter got his hand broken by kurogane and it did not matter to him. So even if his lungs are full of water, Clone would continue to function, like a living terminator, i guess. Clone is able to use the “body” to the full capabilities, with no fear that something(muscles, etc) will break.

    And the Clone was created by FWR, not Syaoran. But Syaoran succeeded in messing up FWR’s plans a bit by placing his OWN eye into which he condensed half of his own personality(or “heart) and pushed it into the Clone’s eye. Syaoran gambled on the possibility that Clone will create his own heart till the seal breaks. And if it did not happen, Syaoran promised to himself to kill the Clone.

    Sakura’s soul ending up there was explained already – she was drawn there by the feather. And later the entire body was drawn to the soul. Even during Beetrain’s series Sakura was always drawn to the feathers, so this time there were TWO feathers in one place, so it was strong enough to pull out only soul to that place.

    AS for manga – yup, and it gets even more confusind when we find out about other character’s past and then it will all suddenly make sense after yet another revelation (even the little bits, like yuuko not getting wet by the rain in first episode).

    As for Fai using magic – It was elaborated in previous episode by kurogane. Fai wants to die, but he does NOT want to be the reason of the other person’s death. As we already saw in this episode Fai knows A LOT more about whats happening and since he already associated himself with Syaoran during their journey, he can’t leave him going killer-mode. And he did already broke his vow in Library for similar reasons.

    What Beetrain succeeded to do is to confuse. Guessing stuff, or making up things as they go (Fai with HAPPY past? aww come on, such a thing is not possible).

    As for Sakura – lets just say this will greatly affect her character, expect A LOT of character development for her and Fai in next episode…and forget about lovable damsel in distress…

  4. Charlie Lundy says:

    I really enjoyed this episode. MUCH more then the the hack job studio Bee Train did on the series. At least this time the animation isn’t dull (to be fair, it is an OVA series so it gets a better budget), the plot actually moves somewhere (pretty much every Studio Bee Train production has crappy and slow pacing) and finally, IMO, Tsubasa is getting animated the way it deserves. Studio Bee Train literally ruined one of my favourite manga series of all time, and it’s nice for Tsubasa to finally get some justice with a different studio.

  5. Ninee says:

    Hello… I haven’t watched this but the third picture caught my attention. Isn’t that from XXXHolic TV??! Did they cameo her in that new series? Thanks for your ever so insightful blog posts!

  6. Dav/Keiri says:

    Tsubasa and HOLiC are deeply linked with each other, as in they have certain events cross over with one another. If you read Tsubasa and HOLiC Manga, you’d notice they have several events that happen in both of them, and interestingly, from their own individual perspective. So yes, you do have Tsubasa characters cameo-ing in HOLiC and vice versa. Unfortunately in the TV series of HOLiC, they completely cut out the Tsubasa events but hopefully, they may change it for the 2nd season of HOLiC. Fat chance but I’m still wishing (yet still, it’ll be weird if they suddenly brought in Tsubasa characters when they didn’t appear in the 1st season before).

  7. nahrub says:

    it’s more than just xxxholic. most of the characters are from others clamp’s works, though they may not have the same personality and/or background. x/1999, chobits, ccs, etc.

  8. yoshi927 says:

    I’m not sure what you think is so horrible, pgsels. I can understand if you liked the Bee-Train version better, but this was one great episode. And, I mean, Fai used his magic “out of nowhere”? I don’t remember you saying anything like that back when he did magic in the library arc. And, I wouldn’t say he pwned Kurogane. First off, you have to keep in mind that Kurogane didn’t have his sword. And even still, he managed to break Cloneran’s arm.

  9. psgels psgels says:

    Yoshi: horrible isn’t the right word. This episode was by no means bad, but I do admit that I was disappointed by it. It’s like Dav/Keiri said: this OVA is really targetted towards the people who read the manga, and knew what’s going to happen. For me, this episode was a huge confusing information-overload, especially considering the slow pacing of the television-series.

    And regarding Fye/Fai’s magic: in the library-arc, he at least justified it by claiming that it wasn’t the kind of magic that he learned. In this arc, his sudden change of character really came from nowhere for me.

  10. Lika says:

    The episode was moving at a very fast pace because they had to cram about a volumn of information into 30 minutes (3 volumns for the Tokyo arc, three OVAs), and I was actually quite impressed by how much they’ve crammed (and horrified at how much left they have to do…).

    The fight underwater was… pretty crazy to tell the truth. xD I assure you that the manga chapter dealing with that fight was not nearly as long and OMGWTFBBQ about it.

    As for Fai, in the library, he was lying. He’s been lying about quite a lot of things, actually and they aren’t revealed until we hit his homeworld. The markings that Yuuko took from him aren’t what everyone thinks they are (I love how CLAMP did that part. Horray for trusting reader to jump to the wrong conclusion!).

    I hope that clears up a little bit! (If you think the OVA’s confusing… oh gods, you don’t want to see what the manga readers are going through right now. Just… WTF CLAMP. WTF.)

  11. Mr. Toto says:

    I didn’t find it confusing, and I hadn’t read the manga prior to seeing the OVA. It’s actually so close to what happened in the manga, it’s ridiculous. Bee-Train’s pace was much too slow, and I’m really loving the animation and excitement this OVA has to offer.

  12. Jalin says:

    Fwee~
    I’ll be assuming you dont’ read the manga and only follow the anime.

    Either way, fwee!
    Plot Twists!!!! In Action!
    The reason why it might be confusing is because of the pace and structure that BeeTrain was going through. If you followed the manga, its less confusing, as the ‘heavy’ atmopshere continued from the Library Arc. Bee Train’s ‘world fillers’ quite mess up the pace and flow of the original. Its like its jumping back and forth, from happy to sad to happy to sad, where in the manga is Happy sad sad sad, angst etc…

    But i am interested into seeing how they’ll put the entire Tokyo Arc into the OVA, it was long enough as it was in the manga, just seeing it all in 1.5 hours seems ‘wow’.

    But i have no complaints, It’s all good ;)

  13. shogun22 says:

    Wow! Finally something is happening.
    I haven’t read the manga, but the TV series must have a bunch of fillers since many episodes seem repetitive(new place same story).
    But I found the Tokyo Revealtions OVA’s very entertaining.

  14. ida15 says:

    NOTE: This comment is full of spoilers
    As I had not read the manga and only seen the Tsubasa TV series, my issue with the released OVAs was that I was forced to completely change my previous perceptions of the two Syaorans. The Syaoran of the TV series was a strong, determined person with a mysterious, dark past. The other Syaoran (the eye-patched Syaoran) was an evil servant of Fei Wang, who could control the good Syaoran’s actions. This evil Syaoran was needed by Fei to achieve his desire for power. Indeed, Xing Huo and Fei Wang seemed to want and were waiting for Syaoran’s ‘awakening’.
    In the OVA, these ideas were completely wrong. The ‘good’ Syaoran turned out to be a clone created by Fei Wang; the ‘evil’ Syaoran turned out to be the real Syaoran, who heroically placed half of his heart in the clone to control the clone’s speech and actions. The real Syaoran was actually being imprisoned in the water structure, and Fei Wang certainly did not want Syaoran’s ‘awakening’.
    For 52 episodes, I watched the ‘good’ Syaoran’s friendship and loyalty to Fye, Sakura and Kurogane. Suddenly this character who I thought I knew so well, was cold and heartless (literally), eating his travelling companion’s eye, treating Kurogane with cold contempt and ignoring the feelings of the person who was apparently most important to him. If only Beetrain produced their own complication and ending to the events, where everything was not so horrific.
    But this OVA was very engaging.

  15. Raven says:

    This is a pathetic review of a great OVA. There is just no effort or energy put into it if thats the best review you could produce. Honestly, half of the events you have criticised are explained in the OVA.. FOR EXAMPLE.. The reason why the seal broke and why Syaoran put the eye into the clone.

    The reason why the real Syaoran was imprisoned is pretty obvious if the reviewer actually paid attention.. Yukko said that he has paid with his “freedom and time” and besides why would he want the real Syaoran running loose from the start when the journey for the feathers began?? Obvious interference!! Think about it!

    And regarding Sakura… This is where her real character development starts, all that rubbish about her flourishing into a heroine by shooting laser guns etc etc is just Bee Train filler that should only be regarded as the rubbish it is.

    Usually, i wouldnt comment but i just really felt that i should after reading the immensely lazy and pathetic attempt at a review of such a quality OVA. This was a major turning point of the story and should be treated with at least a bit of effort.

  16. fireflygo says:

    Im sorry but ive hardly ever bothered to comment on a blog, but i must agree with the post above that this was a really pathetic review. I lose respect for any one who thinks that BeeTrain’s filler crap was good while Production IGs faithful rendering was “confusing?” Most issues you picked up are already explained, sometime you have to use your brain as well, an anime that spoon feeds you is not my idea of ‘character development.’ atleast BeeTrain did what they were good at? sheesh, the CLAMP authors themselves were appalled by BeeTrain ruining this great story and gave them the boot.

    Also your understanding is wronf. Saoran did not create his clone. its OBVIOUS Fein-wong was trying to create the clone with his magic (so the clone would serve him) and saoran broke the barrier for a monent and transferred his eye to the clone. “For some reason beyond me…” huh?!

    Also, err..the clone was NOT depicted as being stronger than the real one. I really dont know how you got that idea. The real Saoran was going to kill him with a sword while the clone was on his knees for GOODNESS SAKE, if it hadnt been for sakura’s intervention.

    And this episode was about the two saorans mainly, you want to see this story , give me a break, you expect sakura and every character from the bandwagon to have 20 minute dialogues and action? thats the format of a fanservice anime where everyone is speaking at the same time and its chaos. Everything in BeeTrain’s made sense because they didnt even tell the story for a start, they were just fooling around.

    And my goodness, if two people are descendents of a tribe it doesnt mean they are brother and sister! if you marry someone who is the daaughter of your great grand father’s third son’s 2nd daughter, that is not incest, and you are of the same clan. git.

    Im sorry for ranting but before you diss something at least make an effort.

  17. psgels psgels says:

    First of all, when I wrote this review, I was still half-confused by the information-overload of this episode, so yes, I fully agree that this review isn’t amongst my best works.

    To me, who hasn’t read the manga, for example, it really looked like Shaoran was the one who created his clone and put in his eye to give it life, and that’s probably where most of my confusion came from. At that point, I was too busy wondering who the heck would be willing to poke out his own eye as a child.

  18. Emo_Kid says:

    Ok I totally agree with you Sakura is different from in the 1st series! She’s asleep most of the time and she’s so…girly in these episodes!! But how many episodes are there going to be of these?? I’ve looked everywhere and still can’t find anything!

  19. Raven says:

    There are going to be 3 OVA’s. Of course Sakura is different from what she is in the series, how she was portrayed in the series was derived from the filler-laden Bee Train effort. Finally we are getting the real story thanks to Production IG’s excellent efforts through the OVA’s. Its a shame that they didnt do the series right from the start, it would have been great. Its sad that theres only one OVA left to enjoy

  20. Raven says:

    …At that point, I was too busy wondering who the heck would be willing to poke out his own eye as a child…

    With that sort of response you have to ask yourself… Are you the right sort of person to be reviewing anime?

    Open you’re mind a bit friend, its artistic media.. Think imagination..

  21. Panda says:

    I am just about to start watching the Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles anime and I’m trying to figure out where Tokyo Revelations fits.

    If I watch up to episode 43 of the anime and then watch Tokyo Revelations, will it make sense? Will I have avoided the filler episodes and jump straight on to the next story arc?

  22. Kriske Otama says:

    That was just one of the best and worst episodes ever. I love it but it made me feel horible.

  23. Unknown Voice says:

    @Panda
    Its enough to watch till the end of ep 42 and to think that they “succeeded in going to the next world”.

  24. ida15 says:

    Sigh, it looks my comment didn’t go down too well with most of the fans on this website. Ok, ok, I get everyone’s point that a good plot shouldn’t be the sanitised, cushioned fill ins that Bee Train created. Since it’s been about 3 months since i watched the second OVA, I guess I’ve become less attached to my perceptions of the characters based on Bee Train. So I’m looking forward to the next OVA!

  25. it’s great and best episode
    thanx ^___O

  26. Melody says:

    there are only 3 episodes of this series.

  27. Penguin says:

    Well the part where you said they had an incest relationship, if you have watched Cardcaptor Sakura, then Syaoran’s mother is Sakura, someone unrelated to Clow Reed or the main Sakura you see and also Syaoran’s father is another Syaoran (might be a bit confusing) and he is only a blood descendant.

    Of my knowledge, Clow Reed in Cardcaptor Sakura has no children so I dont think they are incest =D

  28. Zaric says:

    I have never read the manga, but I gave up on the anime towards the end. Reason? There was no real character development. Same people, doing the same things, reset things every new world and repeat.

    Fai always felt like a key unturned, so much potential in him and Sakura could have become more as well. Syaoran too was incomplete.

    I have to say with this OAV I am happy to see that I can now stand to watch this again. Things have changed, people have evolved, and the story has stepped out of the sandbox.

    The Syaoran-clone story felt like it was destined to happen, especially with the anime’s first OP, the depictions of the boy floating his face obscured, it was clear that that was Syaoran, or a clone of him.

    The introduction of a Real-Syaoran, means that the concept of Syaoran can expand beyond what he once was. Either the clone can evolve to match his real self, or the real self can show just how superior he is. In any case, it just makes “Syaoran” cooler.

    Overall, I hope to see more OAVs to come in the future. Unlike the TV anime, I can stand to watch this.

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AidanAK47
He finished it and was telling me what he thought of Saber defeating Gilgamesh. Minute he said that I was like "OH GOD..." He watched the Deen 2006 adaption. Sadly it loos like he's not going to bother watching UBW TV despite me showing him part of the berserker fight. With Fate/Extra, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Oath under the snow and all the rest this problem will happen again.
AidanAK47
You know I wish the Fate series did a better job naming it's series. I was introducing a newbie so I gave him Fate/Zero first. He loved it so I specifically told him to watch the UBW TV Series and don't mistake it for the movie. He then went and watched the movie. I told him to watch the TV series regardless and brought up the MAL page to show him which one.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, there's definately no harm in doing further reading on more arthouse stuff before reviewing it/watching/after watching, it extends our understanding and is pretty much required.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Go for it, you might sell me on reading it.
Kaiser Eoghan
Yeah, I generally only write reviews every now and then, and they tend to be kept simple and to 200-300 words. My writing ability only really works when I write in stream of consciousness.
Anonymous855550
Zestiria is such a feast for the eyes... The colors and backgrounds are so vivid and magnificent. Story has improved on the game's weaknesses too!
Lenlo
Given enough time, im sure I could write something, but as I writer I tend towards quick, decisive statements of what I think and why. Engineer, so technical documents are like the only thing I know how to write.
Topgavin
@Supermario ah, I'd say I'm the opposite in that I sometimes don't know why I like something so much, and when I read a review about it I can relate my own experiences and put it in my own words pretty well. Can thank Highschool eco for that
SuperMario
But to tell you guys the truth, I never think that I'm cut out as a reviewer (even now), because I'm a type of viewer who more perceive (I know why I like/ don't like stuffs) than express (just can't never explain stuffs well)
SuperMario
@Topgavin: it's depending on what grabbing you really; as I always find shows with heavy symbolisms like Penguindrum or Flip Flappers the easiest to dig deeper. But those are always my kind of show to begin with
Topgavin
I'd find it really hard to write something about a show without reading about it first; watching it one time by myself I usually only notice the big things. Stuff like Flip Flappers I had no clue what half the episode's hidden meanings were, can't imagine reviewing a show like NGE or penguindrum.
SuperMario
that's exactly how I write my reviews anyways
Lenlo
I cant imagine writing a review, id just repeat myself with different words but the same intended meaning over and over again
AidanAK47
Wonder if I should write a review of this. Might be hard without giving too much away.
AidanAK47
(Finishes Sweetest monster Visual novel)
.....well....fuck.
(Buys all authors visual novels on steam.)
Lenlo
Sadly, I doubt Nioh will get a PC port. Sony is pretty stingy on their exclusives, like Bloodborne. But I am so very happy with Nioh. I love technical combat like this
Kaiser Eoghan
I suppose this means I'm looking into this rpg maker game thing now isn't it? Might aswell.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the word animerican used to describe things like avatar last airbender. Filthy word =P
Anonymous853606
God no. Jiro Taniguchi died.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I have been hearing very good things about Nioh. Really hoping it gets a PC port.
@Topgavin, No real surprises there.
Topgavin
I'm sure most of you have heard, but looks like New Game is getting a season 2 out of all things. Apparently they had good sales, and I can certainly see why. CGDCT with yuri undertones and clean animation is hard to get wrong, let alone not sell.
Lenlo
Just started with Nioh, and oh my goodness do I love it.
Anonymous852887
anyone play resident evil 7? its so good.
AidanAK47
Thought that's because the term American Anime just feels wrong to me on all levels.
AidanAK47
@Anon, they do not. They are cartoons.
Anonymous852775
DO people call D.C. Comics animated movies American anime?
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am certainly interested in seeing the next episode. Those minisodes were pretty good too. One thing I thought the writting faltered on though was the comedy. It really was a little too slapstick considering how serious the drama was.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: ah remind me the time I went to Texas (Corpus Christy) before X-mas time and I was wearing short pants and thongs (nice!!!), then went all the way up to Niagara Falls and I was almost freezing there.
Lenlo
See, I love winter, but its almost non-existent in Texas
Anonymous852268
@Aidan: I agree. I loved To the Moon. It's so good seeing emotional drama that isn't centered around high-school kids. Seeing the ups and downs of a whole long life of a person gives everything that happens way more impact.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: An Australian friend put it as "A sunbaked rock in summer, a giant zoo, that actively tries to kill its population"
SuperMario
Not that I'm enjoying the winter either. Why autumn always go so fast?
SuperMario
Believe me but summer here is way too much. When it's too hot and dry it starts bushfiring really badly. And it's too hot that even a big fan straight in front of you don't do you any good
Kaiser Eoghan
What is this mysterious creature known as summer you refer to? =P My country is grey as a black and white film =P
SuperMario
I'm wondering how freezing you guys have to endure right now, but the place I came today in Aussie just reached 50 degree celsius this noon. So hot I felt myself burning
Lenlo
I think the part I liked the most, was just how satisfying those mud splatter sounds were. I dont know why, but its in my head
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki 6 subs came out at 11pm PST.
Lenlo
Atleast Rakugo didnt get held up. Still amazing as ever
AidanAK47
Well I spent my time waiting for it to come out by playing and finishing To the Moon. Got to say, it takes some real skill to make a game in RPGmaker that can make you really feel something. But maybe I am just a sucker for this kind of story.
SuperMario
Hey, I would be very frustrating if Hand shakers got delayed. But I agree this delay is caused by Being X. And Scum's Wish, haizzz, this is the show we love to get pissed at. Haha
Anonymous850298
I blame Being X.
AidanAK47
Sigh, Youjo Senki 6 is delayed. Why is it always the best shows that get delayed? If an episode of hand Shakers was delayed no one would give a crap but nope. Gotta be the show you want to watch right away.
AidanAK47
@Anon, in both anime and manga I never liked that character much.
Anonymous849783
Meh, dropped Masamune-kun. Seriously why do they always have to shove in these one dimensional characters with a crush out of f* nowhere. It never made any of these shows more interesting, it's always the opposite.
Vonter
@Kaiser Eoghan - I find it weird having the teacher being so unashamedly evil. In a way I like that, but at the same time I can't relate to the notion of people like that existing IRL.
Kaiser Eoghan
As I continue to watch scums wish, it becomes an anger inducing as much as it is engrossing experience.
AidanAK47
Or the UBW movie over the TV series. You just don't do that.
AidanAK47
That's like recommending someone to watch NGE death and rebirth instead of the TV series.
Kaiser Eoghan
Meh, I just got fed up with the padding in the tv version.
AidanAK47
Jojo has the kind of entertainment that clicks with you or doesn't so I understand if you didn't get into it. Though to give it a fair chance I would recommend trying the first episodes of Battle Tendency. It starts at episode 10 of the first season, you can jump to it. If that doesn't catch you then Jojos really isn't for you.
AidanAK47
Don't listen to Kaiser. The OVA is bad.
Kaiser Eoghan
....found out where a friend had been off to lately, making a movie and he ended up actually making and finishing and I got first dibs. Had a hard time commenting on it as I know the guy personally.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Totally with you on the academy thing.
@Lenlo: If you ever try jojo again and get onto part three go for the ova instead as it trims down an overly bloated arc.
Lenlo
For JoJos, I couldnt get through the first season. It just didnt hook me
Lenlo
What I dont understand is how anything other than Mob Psycho won best animation, cause my god.
Lenlo
I think Erased lost not because of the libido, but because Yuri was "gay" and "progressive" and most important of all, recent. Yuri had just finished airing so it was stuck in everyones heads. Of course it was going to win everything
AidanAK47
Erased truly deserved to win that category and it only lost because people voted with their libido instead of their head.
AidanAK47
If there's one thing that really makes me angry about these awards it's Yuri on Ice winning most heartwarming moment for "The Kiss". Because A) It wasn't a fucking kiss and B) Even if it was that isn't heartwarming. Oh I am sure something is getting warm but it sure as hell isn't your heart.
AidanAK47
Likely the main reason Kira didn't win main villain because Jojo has grown to a episode count which makes people hesitant to pick it up. Not to mention many would lose interest by Stardust crusaders midpoint.
AidanAK47
When it comes to judging quality you have to leave it to the people who have experienced enough of the medium to truly be able to critical judge it. Pretty darn sure most who voted didn't even bother watching everything worthwhile each season and just gravitated towards whatever they were exposed to.
AidanAK47
Lets not forget someone voting multiple times and bot voting. Because yes, people really do that. As you two pointed out, a public vote was never truly going to be a accurate gauge of quality. For you are not only opening the vote to anime lovers but also newbies and those who simply haven't refined their tastes yet.
SuperMario
so they either abstained their votes (which actually was reasonable); voted for something popular or even voted based on what their kids liked the most (which was flat out unforgivable).
SuperMario
This from my own frustration mostly when it comes to awards like this. But I've been following the Academy Awards for way too long now and every now and then you heard something that really disheartened about their voting process. Like for example many of the Academy members admitted that they don't care to watch anything animated because... it's kiddy stuff
SuperMario
TL;DR: my point is I have mixed feeling about the whole Crunchyroll awards. One more thing that I noticed about the nomination is that the pool was dominated by shows from the first half of last year.
Lenlo
I dont think public voting is the way to go is the thing. Popularity contests are horrible. With popularity contests moe is going to be near the top every time, while shows like Rakugo never really have a chance. And I think there is little doubt that Rakugo was one of the best shows last season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: there is an issue with the first thou, because reviewers like us don't actually represent the whole public opinions. So it's all come down to the very reason they create an award in a 1st place (your second point). But with voting we can't really reason why the winners win the trophy, right?
Lenlo
The problem with awards like that is for them to mean anything they need 2 things. 1) A board of voters who are actual reviewers who have watched a large portion of what was on shelf that season. 2) Reasons for why each thing won its award. An award without reasons means nothing
SuperMario
Other issue about voting for these awards is that the nominating body and the voting body aren't always the same. Usually the voting body is broader and more generic in taste, so I'm not at all surprised when shows like Rakugo couldn't win. Too art-house for their liking. Well, at least it got nominated which for me is good enough.
SuperMario
That's the thing. When it comes to awards, they are more 'popularity' contest than actual quality, since people tend to vote for the safer choice (the one that are both popular and mildly critical success), YOI fits the bill here.
Lenlo
Those awards were not the best and little more then a popularity contest imo.
SuperMario
Actually with that line-up I had no problems with YOI taking the top spot
SuperMario
I actually forgot about the Crunchyroll Anime Awards so I came to check the winner. Guess which show won AOTY huh? Alright, at least it wasn't Kabaneri or Jokers Game
Kaiser Eoghan
But the best one was Mask of Phantasm.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: And return of the joker also.
Kaiser Eoghan
It has aged admittedly very poorly, but I always got a great kick out of that old 1994 spiderman cartoon.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I think its fair to use the term K-anime or C-anime for the Korean and Chinese influenced stuff, or maybe just anime would be just as appropriate. If some Argentinian guy can write/draw a manga for a Japanese manga magazine (big comic superior thats the magazines name) and have it actually be called a manga, it should be the same for China/Korea.
Lenlo
Mhmm. Marvel had the movies, but DC had the animated series
AidanAK47
Man, I loved the villains of Batman Beyond. Inque and Shriek had such interesting powers. The DC animated shows tended to be the one that didn't treat you like a kid while watching.
Lenlo
Well, they released a trailer for Samurai Jack S5, so its coming. Batman Beyond I also enjoyed
AidanAK47
Ah Samurai Jack. Wonder how that Adult swim revival is going? Batman the Animated Series as well didn't need Batman to crack off jokes every minute to be great.
Lenlo
Agreed. Samurai Jack was one of my favorite cartoons for that very reason. It ran the gamut of genres, each episode being something different.
Also I used Nichijou cause it was the first to come to my mind as a "Kids Show", though Love-Ru works as well
AidanAK47
One thing I think Cartoons could do to move away from the stigma of being for kids is having more genres than Comedy and Action adventure. Or at least stop putting comedy in everything.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Every fanbase has it's fanatics. There are idiots everywhere.
@Lenlo, I thought this might come up though I was expecting more of "placing Berserk and To Love-Ru in the same category" thing. Honestly I don't have a rebuttal for that. What is an isn't anime is really a matter of what anime is to you.
Lenlo
Now Aidan, you say putting Berserk and Scoopy doo in the same category is wrong, but what about Berserk and say.. Nichijou? A similar problem comes up and I think thats more to do with Berserk being a pretty major outlier (And I love it for being so. Have all the original Dark Horse volumes on my shelf)
Lenlo
Really though, reading Reddit arguments about it is so much fun.
Lenlo
I do think that recently, a number of shows have been trying to move cartoon, and animation in general in the west, away from meaning "For Kids".
Lenlo
Im not sure sure about that Anon, look at the Steven Universe and MLP fanbases.
Anonymous840067
Aidan, that isn't true... Anime has a 'special' name because it's fan base is a lot more fanatical than the cartoon fan base.
AidanAK47
Though I think the whole "Its not for kids" is the main push. Looking at my anime collection the majority is rated 15 with a few 12s. It's like the way you have Young Adult and mature, Comic books and graphic novels, or Visual novels and Eroge. They are essentially the same thing but appeal to different audiences.
AidanAK47
Though I think what really pushes this argument is that the term anime at least has a badge of honor. You don't see people demanding a show to be called a cartoon.
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