Posted by psgels on 19 January 2008 with categories: Tsubasa Chronicle, Tsubasa Tokyo Revelations


Now this is more like it! This episode was much better than the first one. I still have a lot of problems with it, but at least the music has become much better. The amount of new plot-twists is also baffling. In one episode, the plot has been pushed forward as much as the original TV-series did in 52 episodes. Still, I don’t yet consider the Tsubasa Chronicle OVA to be better than the series.

That doesn’t mean that the series didn’t have its problems, though. What was Bee-Train thinking, putting such a dark story in the NHK-channel? I now also finally understand the reason why so many fillers were added. Bee-Train knew that there was no way to put some key-moments in this arc on the air, so they decided to just go with their own story and do what they were good at.

For me, the biggest problem with this episode is that it was really far-fetched. The battle underwater was already pushing my suspense of disbelief (how long can people hold in their breath anyway? And how can these guys flawlessly fight each other, just as easily as if they were on land), but that turned out to be just the tip of the ice-berg.

So, basically Syaoran was already as a kid a very talented magician. In there, he created a clone and gave this clone his eye. The task of this clone was to collect the feathers that would come out of Sakura in about ten years. In order to prepare for that, the clone-Syaoran got his eye sealed and moved to the clow-country where he made friends with Sakura, and later fell in love with her. For some reason beyond me, the original Syaoran was sealed away by Fei Wong, but he could see everything that the clone-Syaoran did.

To make things even more complicated, Syaoran is supposed to be a descendant of Clow Reed. Sakura is also the daughter of some king of the Clow-country, which gives us many hints that she too is a descendant of Clow Reed. It’s strange to think that I spent more than 52 episodes watching some very strange kind of incest-relationship… Also, Fei Wong turned out to be yet another descendant of Clow Reed, hinting that he’s either Syaoran’s father or some kind of uncle.

In any case, while clone-Syaoran is fighting under water, Fye jumps in and just starts using his magic from out of nowhere, even though he vowed not to use magic without his tattoo. Clone Syaoran then BITES the guy’s eye out, which turn out to be the source of his power. Strangely enough, Syaoran gains Fye’s powers by eating Fye’s eye. Syaoran’s powers, by the way, also increased greatly with this. Apparently, the seal on his eye was broken at this point (don’t ask me how or why), and now he’s strong enough to even pwn Kurogane.

In the meantime, the real Syaoran was helped by Xing-Huo (who was punished by Fei Wong afterwards (read: killed)), goes to Yuuko and is teleported to the Clone Syaoran. The two fight, but Clone-Syaoran is now much stronger than the real one due to Fye’s magic.

The feather turned out to be in the middle of a cocoon, in the middle of the pool. Apparently, this was the thing that kept the clean water flowing. Somehow, Sakura’s soul ended up in that cocoon. When Sakura’s body got near the cocoon, it disappeared, and I guess it ended up in the cocoon as well. She then prevents the real Syaoran from killing the clone-one. Clone Syaoran then cuts up yet another cocoon and the feather comes out. He gives it to Sakura and then walks off on his own, leaving her. Kamui, who I guess was unconscious for this time, magically reappears and pulls a person out of this cocoon. Apparently, this person was the reason why he was so protective of the water, and he’s glad that this person is okay. Seriously, the next episode has some real explanation to do, because both subplots need a lot of explanation to make sense to me. The more I think about it, the more questions I have. You can say a lot of Bee-Train, but at least they managed to make sure that everything in the tv-series made sense. Was the manga also so incredibly confusing at this point?

Oh, and there’s one character that I’ve really disliked in the new OVA: Sakura. Oh, how deep did she fall. First, she sleeps for more than an entire episode, then she wakes up, goes “Syaoran! Syaoran!”, gets overwhelmed by the new Syaoran, and falls asleep again. I seriously liked the lovable heroine from the TV-series much better.

28 Responses

  1. flou says:

    …so they decided to just go with their own story and do what they were good at.

    I wouldn’t call filler-land what they are good at, but okay.

  2. Dav/Keiri says:

    Was the manga also so incredibly confusing at this point?

    Nope. The Manga wasn’t confusing to me during this part of the Tokyo arc, but I’ve got to admit, it came as an utter shock.

    It seems the OVA is primarily targetted at fans who have read the Manga or fans who have some sort of slightly comprehensive understanding on what is happening in the canon Tsubasa world. There was that gap in the Anime after all, where they stuffed in a filler and ended with that filler whereas the Manga continued with the Tokyo arc immediately after the Record arc. The OVA story may either be OMGWTFBBQ!! awesome or downright plain rushed and confusing, the latter case probably to fans who are familiar with the series by watching the Anime only. Still, it always depends on an individual’s preference. :)

    Well, in any case, this OVA gets more than a double thumbs up from me because of how faithful it stayed to the original (despite a few deviations). Ohkawa-sensei is a legend when she’s in charge of script and screenplay. ^^

  3. Unknown Voice says:

    Ok, the eye eating is the same as the heart. IF the power was condensed in the eyeballs, then Clone absorbed it by eating.

    As for descendants of Clow – for all we know there might be TWO Clows. One from Yuuko’s world and one of Clow Country.

    For holding their breath – Kamui does not need it. You know, being vampire and all. As for clone – he was struggling due to the water first, but when his “clone” self reappeared, it did not matter – he latter got his hand broken by kurogane and it did not matter to him. So even if his lungs are full of water, Clone would continue to function, like a living terminator, i guess. Clone is able to use the “body” to the full capabilities, with no fear that something(muscles, etc) will break.

    And the Clone was created by FWR, not Syaoran. But Syaoran succeeded in messing up FWR’s plans a bit by placing his OWN eye into which he condensed half of his own personality(or “heart) and pushed it into the Clone’s eye. Syaoran gambled on the possibility that Clone will create his own heart till the seal breaks. And if it did not happen, Syaoran promised to himself to kill the Clone.

    Sakura’s soul ending up there was explained already – she was drawn there by the feather. And later the entire body was drawn to the soul. Even during Beetrain’s series Sakura was always drawn to the feathers, so this time there were TWO feathers in one place, so it was strong enough to pull out only soul to that place.

    AS for manga – yup, and it gets even more confusind when we find out about other character’s past and then it will all suddenly make sense after yet another revelation (even the little bits, like yuuko not getting wet by the rain in first episode).

    As for Fai using magic – It was elaborated in previous episode by kurogane. Fai wants to die, but he does NOT want to be the reason of the other person’s death. As we already saw in this episode Fai knows A LOT more about whats happening and since he already associated himself with Syaoran during their journey, he can’t leave him going killer-mode. And he did already broke his vow in Library for similar reasons.

    What Beetrain succeeded to do is to confuse. Guessing stuff, or making up things as they go (Fai with HAPPY past? aww come on, such a thing is not possible).

    As for Sakura – lets just say this will greatly affect her character, expect A LOT of character development for her and Fai in next episode…and forget about lovable damsel in distress…

  4. Charlie Lundy says:

    I really enjoyed this episode. MUCH more then the the hack job studio Bee Train did on the series. At least this time the animation isn’t dull (to be fair, it is an OVA series so it gets a better budget), the plot actually moves somewhere (pretty much every Studio Bee Train production has crappy and slow pacing) and finally, IMO, Tsubasa is getting animated the way it deserves. Studio Bee Train literally ruined one of my favourite manga series of all time, and it’s nice for Tsubasa to finally get some justice with a different studio.

  5. Ninee says:

    Hello… I haven’t watched this but the third picture caught my attention. Isn’t that from XXXHolic TV??! Did they cameo her in that new series? Thanks for your ever so insightful blog posts!

  6. Dav/Keiri says:

    Tsubasa and HOLiC are deeply linked with each other, as in they have certain events cross over with one another. If you read Tsubasa and HOLiC Manga, you’d notice they have several events that happen in both of them, and interestingly, from their own individual perspective. So yes, you do have Tsubasa characters cameo-ing in HOLiC and vice versa. Unfortunately in the TV series of HOLiC, they completely cut out the Tsubasa events but hopefully, they may change it for the 2nd season of HOLiC. Fat chance but I’m still wishing (yet still, it’ll be weird if they suddenly brought in Tsubasa characters when they didn’t appear in the 1st season before).

  7. nahrub says:

    it’s more than just xxxholic. most of the characters are from others clamp’s works, though they may not have the same personality and/or background. x/1999, chobits, ccs, etc.

  8. yoshi927 says:

    I’m not sure what you think is so horrible, pgsels. I can understand if you liked the Bee-Train version better, but this was one great episode. And, I mean, Fai used his magic “out of nowhere”? I don’t remember you saying anything like that back when he did magic in the library arc. And, I wouldn’t say he pwned Kurogane. First off, you have to keep in mind that Kurogane didn’t have his sword. And even still, he managed to break Cloneran’s arm.

  9. psgels psgels says:

    Yoshi: horrible isn’t the right word. This episode was by no means bad, but I do admit that I was disappointed by it. It’s like Dav/Keiri said: this OVA is really targetted towards the people who read the manga, and knew what’s going to happen. For me, this episode was a huge confusing information-overload, especially considering the slow pacing of the television-series.

    And regarding Fye/Fai’s magic: in the library-arc, he at least justified it by claiming that it wasn’t the kind of magic that he learned. In this arc, his sudden change of character really came from nowhere for me.

  10. Lika says:

    The episode was moving at a very fast pace because they had to cram about a volumn of information into 30 minutes (3 volumns for the Tokyo arc, three OVAs), and I was actually quite impressed by how much they’ve crammed (and horrified at how much left they have to do…).

    The fight underwater was… pretty crazy to tell the truth. xD I assure you that the manga chapter dealing with that fight was not nearly as long and OMGWTFBBQ about it.

    As for Fai, in the library, he was lying. He’s been lying about quite a lot of things, actually and they aren’t revealed until we hit his homeworld. The markings that Yuuko took from him aren’t what everyone thinks they are (I love how CLAMP did that part. Horray for trusting reader to jump to the wrong conclusion!).

    I hope that clears up a little bit! (If you think the OVA’s confusing… oh gods, you don’t want to see what the manga readers are going through right now. Just… WTF CLAMP. WTF.)

  11. Mr. Toto says:

    I didn’t find it confusing, and I hadn’t read the manga prior to seeing the OVA. It’s actually so close to what happened in the manga, it’s ridiculous. Bee-Train’s pace was much too slow, and I’m really loving the animation and excitement this OVA has to offer.

  12. Jalin says:

    Fwee~
    I’ll be assuming you dont’ read the manga and only follow the anime.

    Either way, fwee!
    Plot Twists!!!! In Action!
    The reason why it might be confusing is because of the pace and structure that BeeTrain was going through. If you followed the manga, its less confusing, as the ‘heavy’ atmopshere continued from the Library Arc. Bee Train’s ‘world fillers’ quite mess up the pace and flow of the original. Its like its jumping back and forth, from happy to sad to happy to sad, where in the manga is Happy sad sad sad, angst etc…

    But i am interested into seeing how they’ll put the entire Tokyo Arc into the OVA, it was long enough as it was in the manga, just seeing it all in 1.5 hours seems ‘wow’.

    But i have no complaints, It’s all good ;)

  13. shogun22 says:

    Wow! Finally something is happening.
    I haven’t read the manga, but the TV series must have a bunch of fillers since many episodes seem repetitive(new place same story).
    But I found the Tokyo Revealtions OVA’s very entertaining.

  14. ida15 says:

    NOTE: This comment is full of spoilers
    As I had not read the manga and only seen the Tsubasa TV series, my issue with the released OVAs was that I was forced to completely change my previous perceptions of the two Syaorans. The Syaoran of the TV series was a strong, determined person with a mysterious, dark past. The other Syaoran (the eye-patched Syaoran) was an evil servant of Fei Wang, who could control the good Syaoran’s actions. This evil Syaoran was needed by Fei to achieve his desire for power. Indeed, Xing Huo and Fei Wang seemed to want and were waiting for Syaoran’s ‘awakening’.
    In the OVA, these ideas were completely wrong. The ‘good’ Syaoran turned out to be a clone created by Fei Wang; the ‘evil’ Syaoran turned out to be the real Syaoran, who heroically placed half of his heart in the clone to control the clone’s speech and actions. The real Syaoran was actually being imprisoned in the water structure, and Fei Wang certainly did not want Syaoran’s ‘awakening’.
    For 52 episodes, I watched the ‘good’ Syaoran’s friendship and loyalty to Fye, Sakura and Kurogane. Suddenly this character who I thought I knew so well, was cold and heartless (literally), eating his travelling companion’s eye, treating Kurogane with cold contempt and ignoring the feelings of the person who was apparently most important to him. If only Beetrain produced their own complication and ending to the events, where everything was not so horrific.
    But this OVA was very engaging.

  15. Raven says:

    This is a pathetic review of a great OVA. There is just no effort or energy put into it if thats the best review you could produce. Honestly, half of the events you have criticised are explained in the OVA.. FOR EXAMPLE.. The reason why the seal broke and why Syaoran put the eye into the clone.

    The reason why the real Syaoran was imprisoned is pretty obvious if the reviewer actually paid attention.. Yukko said that he has paid with his “freedom and time” and besides why would he want the real Syaoran running loose from the start when the journey for the feathers began?? Obvious interference!! Think about it!

    And regarding Sakura… This is where her real character development starts, all that rubbish about her flourishing into a heroine by shooting laser guns etc etc is just Bee Train filler that should only be regarded as the rubbish it is.

    Usually, i wouldnt comment but i just really felt that i should after reading the immensely lazy and pathetic attempt at a review of such a quality OVA. This was a major turning point of the story and should be treated with at least a bit of effort.

  16. fireflygo says:

    Im sorry but ive hardly ever bothered to comment on a blog, but i must agree with the post above that this was a really pathetic review. I lose respect for any one who thinks that BeeTrain’s filler crap was good while Production IGs faithful rendering was “confusing?” Most issues you picked up are already explained, sometime you have to use your brain as well, an anime that spoon feeds you is not my idea of ‘character development.’ atleast BeeTrain did what they were good at? sheesh, the CLAMP authors themselves were appalled by BeeTrain ruining this great story and gave them the boot.

    Also your understanding is wronf. Saoran did not create his clone. its OBVIOUS Fein-wong was trying to create the clone with his magic (so the clone would serve him) and saoran broke the barrier for a monent and transferred his eye to the clone. “For some reason beyond me…” huh?!

    Also, err..the clone was NOT depicted as being stronger than the real one. I really dont know how you got that idea. The real Saoran was going to kill him with a sword while the clone was on his knees for GOODNESS SAKE, if it hadnt been for sakura’s intervention.

    And this episode was about the two saorans mainly, you want to see this story , give me a break, you expect sakura and every character from the bandwagon to have 20 minute dialogues and action? thats the format of a fanservice anime where everyone is speaking at the same time and its chaos. Everything in BeeTrain’s made sense because they didnt even tell the story for a start, they were just fooling around.

    And my goodness, if two people are descendents of a tribe it doesnt mean they are brother and sister! if you marry someone who is the daaughter of your great grand father’s third son’s 2nd daughter, that is not incest, and you are of the same clan. git.

    Im sorry for ranting but before you diss something at least make an effort.

  17. psgels psgels says:

    First of all, when I wrote this review, I was still half-confused by the information-overload of this episode, so yes, I fully agree that this review isn’t amongst my best works.

    To me, who hasn’t read the manga, for example, it really looked like Shaoran was the one who created his clone and put in his eye to give it life, and that’s probably where most of my confusion came from. At that point, I was too busy wondering who the heck would be willing to poke out his own eye as a child.

  18. Emo_Kid says:

    Ok I totally agree with you Sakura is different from in the 1st series! She’s asleep most of the time and she’s so…girly in these episodes!! But how many episodes are there going to be of these?? I’ve looked everywhere and still can’t find anything!

  19. Raven says:

    There are going to be 3 OVA’s. Of course Sakura is different from what she is in the series, how she was portrayed in the series was derived from the filler-laden Bee Train effort. Finally we are getting the real story thanks to Production IG’s excellent efforts through the OVA’s. Its a shame that they didnt do the series right from the start, it would have been great. Its sad that theres only one OVA left to enjoy

  20. Raven says:

    …At that point, I was too busy wondering who the heck would be willing to poke out his own eye as a child…

    With that sort of response you have to ask yourself… Are you the right sort of person to be reviewing anime?

    Open you’re mind a bit friend, its artistic media.. Think imagination..

  21. Panda says:

    I am just about to start watching the Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles anime and I’m trying to figure out where Tokyo Revelations fits.

    If I watch up to episode 43 of the anime and then watch Tokyo Revelations, will it make sense? Will I have avoided the filler episodes and jump straight on to the next story arc?

  22. Kriske Otama says:

    That was just one of the best and worst episodes ever. I love it but it made me feel horible.

  23. Unknown Voice says:

    @Panda
    Its enough to watch till the end of ep 42 and to think that they “succeeded in going to the next world”.

  24. ida15 says:

    Sigh, it looks my comment didn’t go down too well with most of the fans on this website. Ok, ok, I get everyone’s point that a good plot shouldn’t be the sanitised, cushioned fill ins that Bee Train created. Since it’s been about 3 months since i watched the second OVA, I guess I’ve become less attached to my perceptions of the characters based on Bee Train. So I’m looking forward to the next OVA!

  25. it’s great and best episode
    thanx ^___O

  26. Melody says:

    there are only 3 episodes of this series.

  27. Penguin says:

    Well the part where you said they had an incest relationship, if you have watched Cardcaptor Sakura, then Syaoran’s mother is Sakura, someone unrelated to Clow Reed or the main Sakura you see and also Syaoran’s father is another Syaoran (might be a bit confusing) and he is only a blood descendant.

    Of my knowledge, Clow Reed in Cardcaptor Sakura has no children so I dont think they are incest =D

  28. Zaric says:

    I have never read the manga, but I gave up on the anime towards the end. Reason? There was no real character development. Same people, doing the same things, reset things every new world and repeat.

    Fai always felt like a key unturned, so much potential in him and Sakura could have become more as well. Syaoran too was incomplete.

    I have to say with this OAV I am happy to see that I can now stand to watch this again. Things have changed, people have evolved, and the story has stepped out of the sandbox.

    The Syaoran-clone story felt like it was destined to happen, especially with the anime’s first OP, the depictions of the boy floating his face obscured, it was clear that that was Syaoran, or a clone of him.

    The introduction of a Real-Syaoran, means that the concept of Syaoran can expand beyond what he once was. Either the clone can evolve to match his real self, or the real self can show just how superior he is. In any case, it just makes “Syaoran” cooler.

    Overall, I hope to see more OAVs to come in the future. Unlike the TV anime, I can stand to watch this.

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KTravlos
A thing I really like about there stuff is that since they are set post-One Year War, most characters are veterans and they actually behave like veterans. Thus battles are more than just curbstomps etc. I really suggest their gundam stuff. Manga wise start with the Plot to Assassinate Gihren.
KTravlos
I have to say the ARK Performance gundam-verse is one of the favorite uses of the gundam concept . They really do a good job tying their stories together and with the original series.
Lenlo
If were talking manga as well, since I dont realy VNs/LNs, Vinland Saga, Vagabond, Berserk and Basara are all way up there for me
Anonymous1579124
I can probably disect pages on end of Kyousougiga. As for Sun Knight, it's translated from Taiwanese, so the chance of it getting an anime is a big fat zero. Not to mention that it is probably one of the hardest thing to translate into video format, movies or series, animated or not.
Anonymous1579124
@SuperMario Animation vs. Animator?
SuperMario
Kyousougiga was a creative and passionate anime. You can clearly see the love of the creators put into it. But of the year 2013 nothing can beat The Eccentric Family and Flowers of Evil for me
SuperMario
@Niello: I'm willing to give Sun Knight and Dorohedoro (or I should wait for the anime adaptation in few years?) a try but not anytime soon. My next of queue is Night is Short and re-watch of Now and Then. Sorry if I sound like a broken records but lately I haven't had that much time for myself.
SuperMario
..."Mario, what the heck is this??". so we stopped. My friends weren't trying to be rude so I didn't feel any offense, but the thought of watching a stick figure never cross their mind, hence the reaction. Anime fares much better in that regards since people still willing to watch it
SuperMario
(about people's hesitance towards animation medium): Tell me about it. Few years ago I had a Saturday movie night with my mates, one time I convinced them to watch a short animated film "Come one, it's one of the best thing I've seen this year" "It's only 15 minutes so you guys can watch them easily". So they agreed but as soon as the stick figure comes onscreen. My friend turned off...
Anonymous1578845
Lol just found out that there's a Sense8 (on Netflix) easter egg in "Just Because" ep 3 xD, made my day!!!!
Anonymous1578826
Forgot to say this, but anyone willing to give the Sun Knight novel a try, in some ways, it is quite similar to Houseki no Kuni. While it is mainly comedy....it also has a lot of suffering.
silver
@Niello/Anaon1578774?: I watched Kyousougiga maybe 6mos. ago, so I think I'll enjoy it more when I rewatch it sometime in a year or so. Seems most of my top picks cemented their place after a second viewing
Anonymous1578774
@Silver It speaks to me on a personal level no other fiction has comes close to matchin. so it has a very special place in my heart. It's also one of those that get better with each rewatch. I seem to have a penchant for liking what often get described by others as convoluted, this is one of them. I also adore Matsumoto's directing and all the symbolisms.
silver
@Kaiser: I neglected film in my youth as well.. and also in adulthood. A popular gag amongst my friends is that, "silver's never seen any movie ever." I hadn't seen star wars until a girl I dated in uni forced me to watch 4-6...
silver
Hah when I posted about liking works adapted from every medium I wondered if it was going to spark a 'top 10' discussion, but when I was trying to mentally rank them I remembered how hard it was...
@Niello: interesting that Kyousougiga is your all-time #1. I thought it was lovely but probably doesn't make the cut for me
Kaiser-Eoghan
Novels are somewhat alien territory to me as I tend to watch adaptations be they film or otherwise.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I've watched thousands in the past few years because I neglected the medium in childhood.
Nielllo
Unless you mean animated only.
Nielllo
@Eoghan: I don't think I watched enough films at all, and that's made even worst when I forget most of them after a couple of years.
Nielllo
@SuperMario: I really recommend The Legend of the Sun Knight novel. Think it's something you'll probably enjoy quite a bit. It's quite cleverly written. You can read the official fan translation online.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: A top ten film list for me is even harder, I can't even attempt.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Akumetsu> death note
FITE ME.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gunslinger girl gets such a strong mention from me because I feel that action stories often work better when you care about the characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
<No Freesia adaptation
<No Eden adaptation
<No full production IG Alita film series
<why live =<
Nielllo
@SuperMario: There are some anime I'm not going to watch just because the manga is superior, period. Good examples are Monster and One Piece.
Nielllo
@Eoghan: Oh, I knew about Wolfram mangaka's apprenticeship already :p
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: First however, When mountains may depart, By Jia Zhangke, I am full romance mood.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Planetes and Vinland saga have to go somewhere on a list. Oddly they share the same creator.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Reminds me Dreams by Kim-ki-duk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I mentioned Dorohedoro's author was Nihei's apprentice, but heres another interesting one, the mangaka for Wolfram apprentice under BOTH Kento Miura and Kaoru Mori.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: gladly. On Body and Soul is a weird mix of romance drama, character study and a weirdly magical bond between two people who share the same dream. That weirdness is what make the movie so memorable, although I do feel the ending stays out its welcome
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nihei, Umezu and Itou belong somewhere among my favourite mangaka.
SuperMario
I don't know why you'd mix manga/anime together, but my own top 10 is in my profile (click over my username), I've included anime/ movies together but if the list is purely anime shows I'd add Haibane Reimen as #9 and Humanity Has Declined as #10
Nielllo
Apart from Kyousougiga which is always no.1, and The Legend of the Sun Knight, Dorohedoro, Shinsekai Yori and Monster whose places are swappable, the rest I'm quite flexible with. Saint Seiya is in if it's a favorite list, and out among the bottom of the barrel when it comes to quality list, with the exception of The Lost Canvas.
Nielllo
Hmmm, atm it's 1. Kyousougiga (a) 2. Monster (m) 3. Dorohedoro (m) 4. Shinsekai Yori (n) 5. Baccano! (a) 6. Ran to Haiiro no Sekai (m) 7. Saint Seiya (my guilty pleasure, I can't defend it in anyway) 8. Franken Fran (m) 9. The Legend of the Sun Knight (n)(1st tier comedy) 10. Haibane Renmei/Toradora!.Honorable mentions to Gamaran, Beck, GTO, Mushishi, Kaiba and Grave of the Fireflies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Damn....its a harder question to answer than it looks =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although Cruel God reigns in heaven would com close.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nah, nothing would dethrone Gunslinger girl for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or even Utena but I feel it somewhat overated as I do Bebop despite enjoying both.
Kaiser-Eoghan
One of those on the top ten could easily be switched for honey and clover.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also love the works of Shimura Takkako, early takahashi and early Clamp.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Shiki would work its way onto a recent favourites list.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite visual novels are Kara no shoujo, saya no uta and Sharin no kuni.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've a soft spot for ah my goddess, basara, 7 seeds , nanoha and Red river.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If I was making more modern lists for recent favourites I'd probably add flipflappers somewhere or yuasas works.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh my top ten by mixing manga and anime into the same list? 1. Gunslinger (both) girl 2. Ghost in the shell (anime) 3. Earl cain saga (manga) 4. Angel Sanctuary (manga) 5. Texhnolyze (anime) 6. Lain (anime) 7. Perfect blue (anime) 8. Fruits basket (manga) 9. Monster 10. Kare kano.
Nielllo
I don't think anything will ever dethrone Kyousougiga for me though.
Nielllo
I still need to watch Tatami Galaxy and a bunch of other staple shows...
Lenlo
We could put out a site-author Top 10 list sometime maybe... Some of mine are Mushishi, Steins;Gate, Tatami Galaxy and Your Lie in April. Its got a spectrum of genre.
Nielllo
So what are people's top 10?
silver
Certainly on my top 10 list I have works adapted from VNs, manga, novels, LNs, and originals. I just think originals have a higher rate of efficient visual storytelling compared to adaptations
silver
@Kaiser: I like SEL and Haibane and texhnolyze is on my ever-growing list of things to watch. I also really like Gurren Lagen and Kill la Kill although they're both better if you've seen enough anime to know what they're parodying. My ex who loathed most anime because of the aforementioned over-exposition issue also introduced me to Dennou Coil which I really enjoyed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Body and soul just got released on a webdl , sell me on the film if you can =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Silver: Texhnolyze/Lain/Haibane are excellent examples.
silver
I think original anime offers a different experience than adaptations, particularly regarding 'show don't tell.' By necessity most anime source material is dialogue and exposition heavy and can't always utilize the medium efficiently. Of course, I've watched masterpieces adapted from every kind of source, so it's all good
Niello
I'd love to see this thing animated some day. Preferably with movie budget: http://thepropertyofhate.com/TPoH/Ex position/312
Niello
@Eoghan: Try searching in some Asian languages and you might have better luck.
silver
Most open-minded people I talk with don't have anything against animated entertainment. Shows like Bob's Burgers, Archer, and Bojack Horseman have carved a modern niche for 'adult' animation. Having a show about talking alcoholic horse would be pretty cheesy with live action.
Niello
Never mind, Mario said it. But I also don't agree that idol shows or incest shows are intrinsically bad. On top of idol being a trend in Japan first and anime pick it up because it's part of the culture.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The reason people see the worst side of things, is because that is what is made most on the surface and immediate,
Niello
@Amagi: Considering that all the ones you listed are originally manga, I think you should give manga more credit...
Kaiser-Eoghan
And by finding I mean, hard to buy or torrent .
Kaiser-Eoghan
The infuriating thing is how poorly distributed some things are. I hate seeing Godammn blurays of shit hollywood films everywhere and I have to struggle to find some old/quality eastern film.
Amagi
I think it's the same problem as with endless shounen. Sometimes series get dragged on purpose to make more money.
Amagi
The tons of seasons is what scares me away sometimes
Kaiser-Eoghan
I keep thinking, why pad a 90 minute-9 1/2 hour story in a billion one hour per episode seasons.
Amagi
Yeah it's always like that, with cinema movies too.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also hate ensemble/mosaic storytelling for the larger part, with some exceptions.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know this excuse won't work with people who love serialized live-action tv dramas but...I don't like most tv shows because of how padded they are and that they go on far too long and the acting is tv standard and not film standard.
Lenlo
I dont want TV that much, but my experience has been there are very few shows worth watching. Just like anime.
Lenlo
Well, in the argument that anime has alot of bad trends to, I would say so does regular television. How many TVs per year are as good/acclaimed in the "best" anime of each season are in the community?
Amagi
I think it's just sad that there are so many people (the big majority) that refuse to watch cartoons in general because they consider them as either childish or a worse version of "real" series. They'll always miss the good sides anime/manga have and therefore certain sub-genres as a whole.
Amagi
@SuperMario: Yeah you're right. I should have specified it to Japanese drawn media in general (VNs too). And yeah most anime/manga are rather trashy or blatantly bad. But the good series are often something live acting can't create and we'd miss without Japan. There are good cartoons too, though
SuperMario
... original ones: Cowboy Bebop, EVA, Flip Flappers, Kaiba, etc
SuperMario
@amagi: I almost agree with everything you said, but we might give anime too much credits. Remember it's a medium that responsible for many, many bad trends: idol shows, incest shows, tentacle hentai shows and so on so forth. The shows you listed here are come from manga as well, and they are strong manga materials to begin with. If I choose an example of what anime can achieve I'd point to some..
Amagi
This season is really good and it shows how lacking fiction would be without anime. Stuff like Shuumatsu, Houseki or even Mahoutsukai can only exist as anime. It's something live acting script writers would never come up with, not to mention that a lot would be lost without the respective drawing styles, be it the moe blobbs of Shuumatsu or the CGI hair, grass and camera movement of Houseki.
KTravlos
btw I really liked this Mahoutsukai no Yome episode. Finally we are getting somewhere
Amagi
@Kaiser: You're right, totally forgot that. Looking forward to this. Also I could have sworn I heard about a new project from Iso (Dennou Coil) last year but I guess I either confused him with someone else or with Children of Ether in which he's involved in some kind of way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: That series was going to be devilman crybaby .
Amagi
Wasn't Yuasa also doing a series of some sort this year? Haven't watched the movies yet but I loved most of his stuff so far, with Kaiba being my favorite.
Anonymous1575628
Wow, Houseki did not disappoint for me this week.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I enjoyed it for what it was. But I'd say even if you didn't read the subs you probably wouldn't have much trouble following it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually had a look and lu over the wall, coincidentally , there are moments of where Yuasa's imagination/visuals shine through and its a genuinely charming film at times, but it does almost outstay its welcome and there's a sense Yuasa was somewhat restrained this time round, it IS a kids movie and that kind of does need to be taken into account, its not AS mad as mind game or kemonozume.
Amagi
Yoake Tsugeru Lu no Uta is subbed, but no idea if the subs are good
Kaiser-Eoghan
And its quite natural.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Florida project succeeds through its free flowing nature/narrative and manages to be hilarious all the while managing to never allow you forget its also a kitchen sink drama, the best performances come from William Dafoe and the girl. At the end it gut punches the audience emotionally.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: also expecting Florida Project, 3 Billboards, and The Shape of Water in my end
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh, Kino was a bit too slight this week.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Just Lu, disaster artist and happy end left now for the year. Maybe the new Godzilla.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I felt that Sion Soni's Noriko's dinner table did the irl acting thing better.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I'm going to watch The Killing of a Sacred Deer. Consider I regarded The Lobster as one of the best film of that year and Dogtooth and Alps impressed me a lot; I have high hope for this one
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mooooommm, I want my Lu over the wal subs and I want them now OMO!
Niello
...Can't torrent where I am, grrrr.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm quite fond of Go Nagai's devilman, so I'll be interested in seeing Yuasa's adaptation of it whenever it comes out.
SuperMario
@Kasier: ha! thanks Kaiser. Finally it's out... gonna download it now
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Here is a link to Night is short walk on girl English subbed: https://nyaa.si/view/979508
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: OR JUST MONIKA Amirite =P
SuperMario
in all seriousness though, I hope they can use one week break to smooth out their production.
SuperMario
so Just Because's taking a break this week. The reason: just because
Lenlo
Mhmhmm Inuyashiki was great this week. I just love this show.
Amagi
The hell- no didn't know that. I really wouldn't have expected tribute songs to this series
Niello
@Amagi: Did you know this exists? And it's by Igorrr no less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhQQ57N-9ys&list=PL9ku-W0xIzd4EYUL9bUG2CZXBIy7cCiSk
Niello
And yes, I'm just waiting and waiting for the day the anime get announced. No doubt it'll becomes a classic.
Niello
@Eoghan, I don't think it becomes a mess though, the story threads all come together amazingly well.
KTravlos
I too recommend at least watching 2nd episode of Tanya before passing judgement.

Looking forward to the Urasawa manga as well!
SuperWooper
@Anonymous: Thanks! Reading blog posts used to be my go-to distraction when I took breaks at work. Now I have to take breaks from writing them. It's a grind at times, but Star Crossed ought to be alive for a while yet.
Amagi
Adaptions for series like these only work when they're passion projects. If they're not they end up like the Dies Irae anime.
Amagi
It's another one of those series I really wish to see as an anime with music, movement and so on. But same as with Made in Abyss, it needs a cometent director and one that is in love with the work or else it will be a letdown
Amagi
@Niello: Yes and I fucking love it. The gritty style, the setting, the characters and designs and so on. @Kaiser didn't know she was under Nihei that's cool. I love these sketchy styles
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: yes and more people I believe should so, despite that its kind of become a mess, I take the thing as one big black comedy. The woman who drew it interestingly enough apprenticed under Tsutomu Nihei.
Niello
Anyone here read Dorohedoro?
Anonymous1566521
Just passing by to say like the place, it's kinda perfect to read for whenever I take a break. And most importantly I haven't read anything stupid. Hopefully it won't die anytime soon:0
Vonter
Masky - Overlord has an OP isekai, yet I find that series compelling do to the world building, and how even with power and influence, the MC plays like a chessmaster and not brute force his way into doing something.
AidanAK47
@Masky, I wouldn't write off Tanya so fast. Make it to episode 2 at least.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel I need to actually properly get into Godzilla for some frame of reference before the anime film, I've only seen the new one and the original.
Amagi
Or the Hiroshima movie
Amagi
I know you can't have everything but considering that we currently have Blame, the Itoh movies, Lu over the Wall, Godzilla or Napping Princess this is rather a let down
Amagi
Meh, not really happy about the anime film festival decision here - a few good movies are there: heaven's feel, motherfucka (from the tekkonkinkreet guy) and another one that sounds great but other than that a lot specials like conan movie #718 or something, the third part (why?) of persona 3 and other movies that are just specials of series I dropped at some point
Masky
*WWI
Masky
I mean, op isekai mc is boring whether they are hero or villain, thats how tired I'm of that trope at least
Masky
So was wondering what was up with that Tanya the Evil show and was disappointed to find out its "Isekai were MC is evil and WWII esque fantasy setting"
Anonymous1566013
dragon ball kai
Anonymous1566013
dragon ball z
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: That Godard biopic you mentioned is showing tonight and on sunday afternoon, at the very least I'll be checking out Le Chinoise in preparation for it.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: and right after I just watched Loving Vincent in theatre, it's available online
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Blame! got released ages ago and no one watched it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Out in cinemas in Dublin in 3 weeks though, might aswell wait.
SuperMario
Also Lu over the Wall is out, with Russian subtitle. So anyone here who can understand Russian, you're in luck
Amagi
@Kaiser: Thanks, I love quite many anime movies. Guess I have something to watch this weekend.
AidanAK47
Not many I am afraid. Though I do like it's music.
Anonymous1565678
who is fairy tail fan here
Kaiser-Eoghan
For those interested anime Godzilla is out in a few weeks. Also Genocidal organ, napping princess and in this corner of the world are out as is the Fate/ilya movie.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm interested enough to read more of that Urasawa manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't point out errors (although its part of my job at work to lol) but I feel that one thing was noticeable in the Kino review, soap instead of soup is mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh, I quite like it when anything deals with religion or conviction in a mature way, it makes me feel things.
AidanAK47
Not really keen on following a Urasawa manga while it's ongoing considering how much of a slow burn his stories usually are.
Amagi
To the English only people: the Urasawa manga is translated into English now - it's on Mangastream (so beware of the watermark, but better than nothing)
Anonymous1565136
The anime?
SuperMario
... still on course with the anime (my phone acting up again)
SuperMario
@afgm: welcome back mate. It has been awhile. Hope you're
Anonymous1564565
@Amagi, The sign post with Iyami's teeth symbol read something like Buddhist reseach facility, which only makes it weirder.
Amagi
Also that Iyami clone seems to be the same as the running guy on page 2 (which was also the promo page posted on sites like ANN)
Amagi
Thank you very much anon. I love how international this chat is. But what you said makes the story feel even weirder. Really wonder what this is about but I can't say I am not interested now
Anonymous1564565
This is weird, really weird.
Anonymous1564565
[spoiler] As expected, now he's in another trouble. ...He mistook a crow for a blue bird that will bring happiness. And then we go back to the scene at the beginning when he hallucinate about someone calling. ...Is that Iyami from Osomatsu-san?
Anonymous1564565
[spoiler]Then because Trump is currently popular, their plan to is mass produce the mask with the guy's factory? (He's totally getting dupe isn't e?)
Anonymous1564565
[spoiler] The wife won a lottery and got a free vacation ticket to a luxurious cruise ship. She then left the husband with another guy. The Trump parody hag person is Beverly Duncan. Then one of the husband coworker put on a mask of Trump and start mocking.
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