Posted by psgels on 19 January 2008 with categories: Tsubasa Chronicle, Tsubasa Tokyo Revelations

Now this is more like it! This episode was much better than the first one. I still have a lot of problems with it, but at least the music has become much better. The amount of new plot-twists is also baffling. In one episode, the plot has been pushed forward as much as the original TV-series did in 52 episodes. Still, I don’t yet consider the Tsubasa Chronicle OVA to be better than the series.

That doesn’t mean that the series didn’t have its problems, though. What was Bee-Train thinking, putting such a dark story in the NHK-channel? I now also finally understand the reason why so many fillers were added. Bee-Train knew that there was no way to put some key-moments in this arc on the air, so they decided to just go with their own story and do what they were good at.

For me, the biggest problem with this episode is that it was really far-fetched. The battle underwater was already pushing my suspense of disbelief (how long can people hold in their breath anyway? And how can these guys flawlessly fight each other, just as easily as if they were on land), but that turned out to be just the tip of the ice-berg.

So, basically Syaoran was already as a kid a very talented magician. In there, he created a clone and gave this clone his eye. The task of this clone was to collect the feathers that would come out of Sakura in about ten years. In order to prepare for that, the clone-Syaoran got his eye sealed and moved to the clow-country where he made friends with Sakura, and later fell in love with her. For some reason beyond me, the original Syaoran was sealed away by Fei Wong, but he could see everything that the clone-Syaoran did.

To make things even more complicated, Syaoran is supposed to be a descendant of Clow Reed. Sakura is also the daughter of some king of the Clow-country, which gives us many hints that she too is a descendant of Clow Reed. It’s strange to think that I spent more than 52 episodes watching some very strange kind of incest-relationship… Also, Fei Wong turned out to be yet another descendant of Clow Reed, hinting that he’s either Syaoran’s father or some kind of uncle.

In any case, while clone-Syaoran is fighting under water, Fye jumps in and just starts using his magic from out of nowhere, even though he vowed not to use magic without his tattoo. Clone Syaoran then BITES the guy’s eye out, which turn out to be the source of his power. Strangely enough, Syaoran gains Fye’s powers by eating Fye’s eye. Syaoran’s powers, by the way, also increased greatly with this. Apparently, the seal on his eye was broken at this point (don’t ask me how or why), and now he’s strong enough to even pwn Kurogane.

In the meantime, the real Syaoran was helped by Xing-Huo (who was punished by Fei Wong afterwards (read: killed)), goes to Yuuko and is teleported to the Clone Syaoran. The two fight, but Clone-Syaoran is now much stronger than the real one due to Fye’s magic.

The feather turned out to be in the middle of a cocoon, in the middle of the pool. Apparently, this was the thing that kept the clean water flowing. Somehow, Sakura’s soul ended up in that cocoon. When Sakura’s body got near the cocoon, it disappeared, and I guess it ended up in the cocoon as well. She then prevents the real Syaoran from killing the clone-one. Clone Syaoran then cuts up yet another cocoon and the feather comes out. He gives it to Sakura and then walks off on his own, leaving her. Kamui, who I guess was unconscious for this time, magically reappears and pulls a person out of this cocoon. Apparently, this person was the reason why he was so protective of the water, and he’s glad that this person is okay. Seriously, the next episode has some real explanation to do, because both subplots need a lot of explanation to make sense to me. The more I think about it, the more questions I have. You can say a lot of Bee-Train, but at least they managed to make sure that everything in the tv-series made sense. Was the manga also so incredibly confusing at this point?

Oh, and there’s one character that I’ve really disliked in the new OVA: Sakura. Oh, how deep did she fall. First, she sleeps for more than an entire episode, then she wakes up, goes “Syaoran! Syaoran!”, gets overwhelmed by the new Syaoran, and falls asleep again. I seriously liked the lovable heroine from the TV-series much better.

28 Responses

  1. flou says:

    …so they decided to just go with their own story and do what they were good at.

    I wouldn’t call filler-land what they are good at, but okay.

  2. Dav/Keiri says:

    Was the manga also so incredibly confusing at this point?

    Nope. The Manga wasn’t confusing to me during this part of the Tokyo arc, but I’ve got to admit, it came as an utter shock.

    It seems the OVA is primarily targetted at fans who have read the Manga or fans who have some sort of slightly comprehensive understanding on what is happening in the canon Tsubasa world. There was that gap in the Anime after all, where they stuffed in a filler and ended with that filler whereas the Manga continued with the Tokyo arc immediately after the Record arc. The OVA story may either be OMGWTFBBQ!! awesome or downright plain rushed and confusing, the latter case probably to fans who are familiar with the series by watching the Anime only. Still, it always depends on an individual’s preference. :)

    Well, in any case, this OVA gets more than a double thumbs up from me because of how faithful it stayed to the original (despite a few deviations). Ohkawa-sensei is a legend when she’s in charge of script and screenplay. ^^

  3. Unknown Voice says:

    Ok, the eye eating is the same as the heart. IF the power was condensed in the eyeballs, then Clone absorbed it by eating.

    As for descendants of Clow – for all we know there might be TWO Clows. One from Yuuko’s world and one of Clow Country.

    For holding their breath – Kamui does not need it. You know, being vampire and all. As for clone – he was struggling due to the water first, but when his “clone” self reappeared, it did not matter – he latter got his hand broken by kurogane and it did not matter to him. So even if his lungs are full of water, Clone would continue to function, like a living terminator, i guess. Clone is able to use the “body” to the full capabilities, with no fear that something(muscles, etc) will break.

    And the Clone was created by FWR, not Syaoran. But Syaoran succeeded in messing up FWR’s plans a bit by placing his OWN eye into which he condensed half of his own personality(or “heart) and pushed it into the Clone’s eye. Syaoran gambled on the possibility that Clone will create his own heart till the seal breaks. And if it did not happen, Syaoran promised to himself to kill the Clone.

    Sakura’s soul ending up there was explained already – she was drawn there by the feather. And later the entire body was drawn to the soul. Even during Beetrain’s series Sakura was always drawn to the feathers, so this time there were TWO feathers in one place, so it was strong enough to pull out only soul to that place.

    AS for manga – yup, and it gets even more confusind when we find out about other character’s past and then it will all suddenly make sense after yet another revelation (even the little bits, like yuuko not getting wet by the rain in first episode).

    As for Fai using magic – It was elaborated in previous episode by kurogane. Fai wants to die, but he does NOT want to be the reason of the other person’s death. As we already saw in this episode Fai knows A LOT more about whats happening and since he already associated himself with Syaoran during their journey, he can’t leave him going killer-mode. And he did already broke his vow in Library for similar reasons.

    What Beetrain succeeded to do is to confuse. Guessing stuff, or making up things as they go (Fai with HAPPY past? aww come on, such a thing is not possible).

    As for Sakura – lets just say this will greatly affect her character, expect A LOT of character development for her and Fai in next episode…and forget about lovable damsel in distress…

  4. Charlie Lundy says:

    I really enjoyed this episode. MUCH more then the the hack job studio Bee Train did on the series. At least this time the animation isn’t dull (to be fair, it is an OVA series so it gets a better budget), the plot actually moves somewhere (pretty much every Studio Bee Train production has crappy and slow pacing) and finally, IMO, Tsubasa is getting animated the way it deserves. Studio Bee Train literally ruined one of my favourite manga series of all time, and it’s nice for Tsubasa to finally get some justice with a different studio.

  5. Ninee says:

    Hello… I haven’t watched this but the third picture caught my attention. Isn’t that from XXXHolic TV??! Did they cameo her in that new series? Thanks for your ever so insightful blog posts!

  6. Dav/Keiri says:

    Tsubasa and HOLiC are deeply linked with each other, as in they have certain events cross over with one another. If you read Tsubasa and HOLiC Manga, you’d notice they have several events that happen in both of them, and interestingly, from their own individual perspective. So yes, you do have Tsubasa characters cameo-ing in HOLiC and vice versa. Unfortunately in the TV series of HOLiC, they completely cut out the Tsubasa events but hopefully, they may change it for the 2nd season of HOLiC. Fat chance but I’m still wishing (yet still, it’ll be weird if they suddenly brought in Tsubasa characters when they didn’t appear in the 1st season before).

  7. nahrub says:

    it’s more than just xxxholic. most of the characters are from others clamp’s works, though they may not have the same personality and/or background. x/1999, chobits, ccs, etc.

  8. yoshi927 says:

    I’m not sure what you think is so horrible, pgsels. I can understand if you liked the Bee-Train version better, but this was one great episode. And, I mean, Fai used his magic “out of nowhere”? I don’t remember you saying anything like that back when he did magic in the library arc. And, I wouldn’t say he pwned Kurogane. First off, you have to keep in mind that Kurogane didn’t have his sword. And even still, he managed to break Cloneran’s arm.

  9. psgels psgels says:

    Yoshi: horrible isn’t the right word. This episode was by no means bad, but I do admit that I was disappointed by it. It’s like Dav/Keiri said: this OVA is really targetted towards the people who read the manga, and knew what’s going to happen. For me, this episode was a huge confusing information-overload, especially considering the slow pacing of the television-series.

    And regarding Fye/Fai’s magic: in the library-arc, he at least justified it by claiming that it wasn’t the kind of magic that he learned. In this arc, his sudden change of character really came from nowhere for me.

  10. Lika says:

    The episode was moving at a very fast pace because they had to cram about a volumn of information into 30 minutes (3 volumns for the Tokyo arc, three OVAs), and I was actually quite impressed by how much they’ve crammed (and horrified at how much left they have to do…).

    The fight underwater was… pretty crazy to tell the truth. xD I assure you that the manga chapter dealing with that fight was not nearly as long and OMGWTFBBQ about it.

    As for Fai, in the library, he was lying. He’s been lying about quite a lot of things, actually and they aren’t revealed until we hit his homeworld. The markings that Yuuko took from him aren’t what everyone thinks they are (I love how CLAMP did that part. Horray for trusting reader to jump to the wrong conclusion!).

    I hope that clears up a little bit! (If you think the OVA’s confusing… oh gods, you don’t want to see what the manga readers are going through right now. Just… WTF CLAMP. WTF.)

  11. Mr. Toto says:

    I didn’t find it confusing, and I hadn’t read the manga prior to seeing the OVA. It’s actually so close to what happened in the manga, it’s ridiculous. Bee-Train’s pace was much too slow, and I’m really loving the animation and excitement this OVA has to offer.

  12. Jalin says:

    I’ll be assuming you dont’ read the manga and only follow the anime.

    Either way, fwee!
    Plot Twists!!!! In Action!
    The reason why it might be confusing is because of the pace and structure that BeeTrain was going through. If you followed the manga, its less confusing, as the ‘heavy’ atmopshere continued from the Library Arc. Bee Train’s ‘world fillers’ quite mess up the pace and flow of the original. Its like its jumping back and forth, from happy to sad to happy to sad, where in the manga is Happy sad sad sad, angst etc…

    But i am interested into seeing how they’ll put the entire Tokyo Arc into the OVA, it was long enough as it was in the manga, just seeing it all in 1.5 hours seems ‘wow’.

    But i have no complaints, It’s all good ;)

  13. shogun22 says:

    Wow! Finally something is happening.
    I haven’t read the manga, but the TV series must have a bunch of fillers since many episodes seem repetitive(new place same story).
    But I found the Tokyo Revealtions OVA’s very entertaining.

  14. ida15 says:

    NOTE: This comment is full of spoilers
    As I had not read the manga and only seen the Tsubasa TV series, my issue with the released OVAs was that I was forced to completely change my previous perceptions of the two Syaorans. The Syaoran of the TV series was a strong, determined person with a mysterious, dark past. The other Syaoran (the eye-patched Syaoran) was an evil servant of Fei Wang, who could control the good Syaoran’s actions. This evil Syaoran was needed by Fei to achieve his desire for power. Indeed, Xing Huo and Fei Wang seemed to want and were waiting for Syaoran’s ‘awakening’.
    In the OVA, these ideas were completely wrong. The ‘good’ Syaoran turned out to be a clone created by Fei Wang; the ‘evil’ Syaoran turned out to be the real Syaoran, who heroically placed half of his heart in the clone to control the clone’s speech and actions. The real Syaoran was actually being imprisoned in the water structure, and Fei Wang certainly did not want Syaoran’s ‘awakening’.
    For 52 episodes, I watched the ‘good’ Syaoran’s friendship and loyalty to Fye, Sakura and Kurogane. Suddenly this character who I thought I knew so well, was cold and heartless (literally), eating his travelling companion’s eye, treating Kurogane with cold contempt and ignoring the feelings of the person who was apparently most important to him. If only Beetrain produced their own complication and ending to the events, where everything was not so horrific.
    But this OVA was very engaging.

  15. Raven says:

    This is a pathetic review of a great OVA. There is just no effort or energy put into it if thats the best review you could produce. Honestly, half of the events you have criticised are explained in the OVA.. FOR EXAMPLE.. The reason why the seal broke and why Syaoran put the eye into the clone.

    The reason why the real Syaoran was imprisoned is pretty obvious if the reviewer actually paid attention.. Yukko said that he has paid with his “freedom and time” and besides why would he want the real Syaoran running loose from the start when the journey for the feathers began?? Obvious interference!! Think about it!

    And regarding Sakura… This is where her real character development starts, all that rubbish about her flourishing into a heroine by shooting laser guns etc etc is just Bee Train filler that should only be regarded as the rubbish it is.

    Usually, i wouldnt comment but i just really felt that i should after reading the immensely lazy and pathetic attempt at a review of such a quality OVA. This was a major turning point of the story and should be treated with at least a bit of effort.

  16. fireflygo says:

    Im sorry but ive hardly ever bothered to comment on a blog, but i must agree with the post above that this was a really pathetic review. I lose respect for any one who thinks that BeeTrain’s filler crap was good while Production IGs faithful rendering was “confusing?” Most issues you picked up are already explained, sometime you have to use your brain as well, an anime that spoon feeds you is not my idea of ‘character development.’ atleast BeeTrain did what they were good at? sheesh, the CLAMP authors themselves were appalled by BeeTrain ruining this great story and gave them the boot.

    Also your understanding is wronf. Saoran did not create his clone. its OBVIOUS Fein-wong was trying to create the clone with his magic (so the clone would serve him) and saoran broke the barrier for a monent and transferred his eye to the clone. “For some reason beyond me…” huh?!

    Also, err..the clone was NOT depicted as being stronger than the real one. I really dont know how you got that idea. The real Saoran was going to kill him with a sword while the clone was on his knees for GOODNESS SAKE, if it hadnt been for sakura’s intervention.

    And this episode was about the two saorans mainly, you want to see this story , give me a break, you expect sakura and every character from the bandwagon to have 20 minute dialogues and action? thats the format of a fanservice anime where everyone is speaking at the same time and its chaos. Everything in BeeTrain’s made sense because they didnt even tell the story for a start, they were just fooling around.

    And my goodness, if two people are descendents of a tribe it doesnt mean they are brother and sister! if you marry someone who is the daaughter of your great grand father’s third son’s 2nd daughter, that is not incest, and you are of the same clan. git.

    Im sorry for ranting but before you diss something at least make an effort.

  17. psgels psgels says:

    First of all, when I wrote this review, I was still half-confused by the information-overload of this episode, so yes, I fully agree that this review isn’t amongst my best works.

    To me, who hasn’t read the manga, for example, it really looked like Shaoran was the one who created his clone and put in his eye to give it life, and that’s probably where most of my confusion came from. At that point, I was too busy wondering who the heck would be willing to poke out his own eye as a child.

  18. Emo_Kid says:

    Ok I totally agree with you Sakura is different from in the 1st series! She’s asleep most of the time and she’s so…girly in these episodes!! But how many episodes are there going to be of these?? I’ve looked everywhere and still can’t find anything!

  19. Raven says:

    There are going to be 3 OVA’s. Of course Sakura is different from what she is in the series, how she was portrayed in the series was derived from the filler-laden Bee Train effort. Finally we are getting the real story thanks to Production IG’s excellent efforts through the OVA’s. Its a shame that they didnt do the series right from the start, it would have been great. Its sad that theres only one OVA left to enjoy

  20. Raven says:

    …At that point, I was too busy wondering who the heck would be willing to poke out his own eye as a child…

    With that sort of response you have to ask yourself… Are you the right sort of person to be reviewing anime?

    Open you’re mind a bit friend, its artistic media.. Think imagination..

  21. Panda says:

    I am just about to start watching the Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles anime and I’m trying to figure out where Tokyo Revelations fits.

    If I watch up to episode 43 of the anime and then watch Tokyo Revelations, will it make sense? Will I have avoided the filler episodes and jump straight on to the next story arc?

  22. Kriske Otama says:

    That was just one of the best and worst episodes ever. I love it but it made me feel horible.

  23. Unknown Voice says:

    Its enough to watch till the end of ep 42 and to think that they “succeeded in going to the next world”.

  24. ida15 says:

    Sigh, it looks my comment didn’t go down too well with most of the fans on this website. Ok, ok, I get everyone’s point that a good plot shouldn’t be the sanitised, cushioned fill ins that Bee Train created. Since it’s been about 3 months since i watched the second OVA, I guess I’ve become less attached to my perceptions of the characters based on Bee Train. So I’m looking forward to the next OVA!

  25. it’s great and best episode
    thanx ^___O

  26. Melody says:

    there are only 3 episodes of this series.

  27. Penguin says:

    Well the part where you said they had an incest relationship, if you have watched Cardcaptor Sakura, then Syaoran’s mother is Sakura, someone unrelated to Clow Reed or the main Sakura you see and also Syaoran’s father is another Syaoran (might be a bit confusing) and he is only a blood descendant.

    Of my knowledge, Clow Reed in Cardcaptor Sakura has no children so I dont think they are incest =D

  28. Zaric says:

    I have never read the manga, but I gave up on the anime towards the end. Reason? There was no real character development. Same people, doing the same things, reset things every new world and repeat.

    Fai always felt like a key unturned, so much potential in him and Sakura could have become more as well. Syaoran too was incomplete.

    I have to say with this OAV I am happy to see that I can now stand to watch this again. Things have changed, people have evolved, and the story has stepped out of the sandbox.

    The Syaoran-clone story felt like it was destined to happen, especially with the anime’s first OP, the depictions of the boy floating his face obscured, it was clear that that was Syaoran, or a clone of him.

    The introduction of a Real-Syaoran, means that the concept of Syaoran can expand beyond what he once was. Either the clone can evolve to match his real self, or the real self can show just how superior he is. In any case, it just makes “Syaoran” cooler.

    Overall, I hope to see more OAVs to come in the future. Unlike the TV anime, I can stand to watch this.

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@Mario, starting to think I didn't need my help after all. I hope they make something worthwhile.
On a unrelated note the Dark Souls 3 DLC boss is serious bullshit.
Hey Aidan, thqt Kickstarter project Mecha-ude has passed its goal (nearly double now with 10 more days to go). Seems like people getting real hype for it
Wonder if Bam has played the new Dark Souls DLC. Found it rather lacking when compared to previous DLC from the last games.
@Anon, it's just a video of a still image of anime girls in bikini's with a red circle around one of their chests. Seeing as this thing has no views or subscribers my guess is someones is fishing for views. To which i say...what really is the point of making videos if this is the only way you can get people to watch them?
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Going back to the fanservice topic, its very easy to complain about it in anything but then something actually comes along that actually does it for you. I mean I always say that I don't watch a show/movie for its fanservice elements and stick with pictures on image boards, but then I ended up seeing a film where I actually got something out of the fanservice while watching the film its.
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Holo is a good one :0
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Does it matter to you that they're from shows that you like, or are you just in it for the challenge?
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I was thinking simple as I didn't know what kind of materials you got on hand. I was also thinking of Holo from spice and wolf or Kino from Kinos journey either.
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@Friend, Spit balling here but Tatsumaki from One Punch Man? I know the costume for that one would be simple enough. Or maybe Shiki from Kara No Kyoukai?
*I don't want to do anything too complex for my first try, but I also don't want to do anything boring. Boring would be a character like Rukia or Celty. Any ideas?
I remember talking about this with Emma/Kaiser before, but has anyone here gone cosplaying at an expo before? I thought it would be neat to try designing my own costume and try something else beside drawing on a computer.
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I think the roles/identity thing with flipflappers, at least with the protaganist does fit in well with adolescence.
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@Mario:Good in depth reviewing there Mario of flipflappers episode three.
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Well, tbh up to where I've seen there's not much explicit yaoi in yuri on ice, only a lot of fujoshi fuel.
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My god those gay scenes in Yuri on Ice are hard to watch for me. Wonder if this is how it feels to be a girl watching 90% of normal anime nowadays.
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You have seen the light, not needing to know everything thats happening to enjoy something ^_^
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I've given some consideration to reviewing that oujia film followup.
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I will say if it must come down to either unnatural dialogue or unnatural character types, at leas the character type is speaking their own words and not the words of the script writer.
Or was that a black and white fallacy? Maybe it was a little of both.
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Wait wait wait wait. Aidan and K-Off. I get that dialogue in cartoon can seem like it was written by a script writer, but at the same time, lots of anime have characters whose sole purpose is entirely scripted. The whole spectrum of "deres" and everything. What do you think is worse? Unnatural dialogue, or unnatural character types?
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forgive me if I'm a bit too overwhelmed by Flip Flappers... For this episode alone I took like 25 screenshots...trying to write a review now...
I have absolutely no idea what is going on in Flip Flappers plot. And yet for some reason I am OK with that.
Anyone out there that's a fan of crude humor should go watch ep.3 of To Be Hero. Certinately stepped it up a notch from the last two humor-wise.
One downside I can think of already is that I'm bound to lose or break one of the detachable controllers. The cost for those pieces is what I'm most interested in.
Nintendo Switch hmm? Honestly it looks too good to be true. I expect some major downsides to this thing.
I like cartoons, don't get me wrong. Certainly good for a change of pace. But there is something about the way they are written that I find rather distracting.
I don't know, maybe if I said it's like the difference from how characters talk in movie vs how characters talk in a sitcom?
@K-Off, I said one liner's or jokes. Not one liner jokes. It's hard to explain. Basically when I hear a conversation in anime even if it is based in stereotypes, it at least feels like a conversation that's being had in the moment. In cartoons however there is a layer of artificiality and it feels like characters know what a person is going to say and has a response prepared.
That's probably why some of my favorite anime in recent years haven't been very heavy on character archetypes, or were either parodies of it.
Comedic dialogue with anime in recent years have leaned too much on the idea of playing off character archetypes. The collected character vs the energetic character, for one. I'd like to see more variety. Some more word play, hyperbolic humor, body humor, etc etc.
@Aidan Not quite sure what you mean by that, because it's certainly not even a majority of cartoons that rely on cheap one liner jokes. I suppose it's entirely up to taste, but I can appreciate the energy in cartoons like Steven Universe or Regular Show when compared to the increasingly repetitive dialogue found in some recent anime.
@Topgavin: I just read that review and his main reason being Shelter is pretentious. oh well! Can't never please anyone.
Thought I'd check out the reviews for Shelter on MAl and the top review is a 1/10. Apparently because it's a cute girl we sympathise with her more, which is bad because reasons. I mean.. what? MAL never ceases to amaze me
@Mario, no. It's more that the dialogue keeps trying to push out one liners or jokes regardless of whose talking.
@Aidan: maybe because they spoke in your native language do you can feel that it's artificial, ya know? I know I have the same problem with Vietnamese drama/ cartoon and maybe Japanese people have that same issues with anime?
By which I mean, the way characters talk in cartoons is very...artificial. Like you can tell that the dialgoue was clearly written beforehand and it never really sounds natural. At least to me.
@Anon, I wouldn't. The writing and structure are too cartoon. What with the episodic nature and dialogue that generally pushes for a comedic tone.
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Flanagan also directed absentia which I haven't seen yet but I think someone I came across of 4chan linked it to being lovecraftian?
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Oculus was a film of two halves for me. Hush was a pretty standard home invasion thriller, making the victim deaf was an interesting twist but not as unique as you might think, still suspenseful though.
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I never saw the first oujia film. Though Mike Flanagan who did the sequel, he's never made a bad movie but he's never really made a great one either.
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I stick to the firm belief that cartoons and anime, visually should do and be their own thing. I'll prefer a western artstyle for cartoons rather than one pretending to look like anime style.
But this is a good topic and I'm sure everyone has their own opinions so I'm looking to hear some more arguments
@anon352392: no they aren't. For me not because of where their production based, nor their intended audience, but rather their styles, both visually and storytelling-ly, are different
Anime,” they assert, is not a “style” of illustration or animation.
That's where I differ to those guys. For me, anime is a style. In that sense, I consider RWBY, and Canadian-produced short Flutter as an anime. Thunderbolt Fantasy is not and anime-influence shows/movies that are intented for Western audience like AniMatrix or Afro Samurai are anime
@Anon nah they wouldn't be because they aren't made by a japanese producer for the japanese market. Quality isn't the question, production is
NX and Red Dead Redemption 2 trailers tomorrow.
They are good series and i honestly like them alot more than most anime series, would their quality make them anime?
What about cartoons like Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, Star Vs The Forces Of Evil?
In other news a sequel to an absolutely terrible horror movie called Ouija is out and it's...actually pretty good? Wondering if critics were paid off or it is legit good. Well it did have the guy who was behind Oculus and that was a pretty good movie.
Simplify the term down enough and anime is literally anything animated but the whole point of the term is to distinguish it. For to call Spongebob an anime makes me want to projectile vomit. Point is this, you say you watched a cartoon, people think Tom and jerry, Scooby doo etc. You say you watched an anime, people think Cowboy bebop, Attack on titan, etc. Whole point of the term.
For example, I don't consider Avatar or RWBY to be anime for while they use anime style, the writing is fundamentally structured like an American cartoon. Through I would consider Bloodivores an anime even though it was made by a Chinese animation company, making it technically a Chinese cartoon.
As far as what is and isn't anime I honestly think of the term as a means of distinguishing it from cartoon which gives the impression of being for children. It's like Graphic novel is to comic book. Though techically graphic novels are issues of comics bound in book form, the term Graphic novel is often used to distinguish works that go above superhero comics and whatnot.
Basically I think it was due to Porter Robinsons involvement that they didn't consider it anime.
@Aidan: Did the mods give any concrete reasons why they didn't consider it an anime?
@Mario, It wasn't the community that had the problem. It was the mods. The community made it pretty clear that they considered it anime.
So despite the art style is obviously anime, the character speaks in Japanese, and the production was animated by A1 Studios, it's not an anime? Sometimes I feel sad that the anime community keeps limiting themselves with such fixed minds.
I saw it yesterday and yes it was good. For a 5-minute story, they don't make it too overwhelme with details, and still pack an emotional punch. Moreover it elevates the song. Good stuffs.
Shelter was quite good though. It works well and the animation was beautiful. Song is not bad either. It's got a nice emotional punch to it though it's a bit simple a story.
Well anyway I only saw all this because I checked out the video for the first time and wanted to see how others thought of it with a quick scan through reddit. And I get this shitshow instead.
Playing the victim is the one really pisses off the internet. For refusing to admit you f*cked up only encourages people to shove how you f*cked up into your face. That's what really grinds peoples gears.
Yep, seen that too. The mods even put up another tread about the video and tried to guilt trip people by saying they got death threats. Look, internet rules 101. If you said or did something stupid admit to it and just walk away. Do not try to deflect blame or play the victim, that only adds fuel to the fire.
@Aidan oh yeah saw that live lol. Porter himself even commented on twitter about it, gotta love internet drama
So did anyone happen to catch the big old shitstorm of that Shelter music music when a mod of the Anime subreddit decided it wasn't "Anime" enough and removed the discussion post about it? Oh internet drama...what silly nonsense.
Finally caught up with JoJo. Diamond is Unbreakable has turned out to be much better than Stardust Crusaders. Should have waited for the season to finish through as I really loved marathoning it.
I had a feeling that might be the case considering the source materail for luger.
@Mario Oh I watched that, certinately worth it. Packed more story that some 12-episode shows do nowadays and gorgeous animation.
and I will check out "Shelter" music video to see what all the fuss is about
*this weekend to be exact.
Sounds like Luger Code 1951 is an OVA that will air next week, the same air date with "my" Zaregoto OVA.
@Mario: doesn't sound real at all to me lol
@Mario, I might be able to manage. If all else fails I can talk about the past of these historical figures.
While I don't mind watchinng Drifters, I swaer if I had to cover that show, I couldn't come up with anything to say.
Do you guys know what language the fairies speak in Drifters? It does sound like a genuine language
@topgavin: humanity has declined is a great show. It has good writing and dark, witty sense of humor. I could talk about it in length but psgels pretty much covered it all. He was really impressed by that show however.
That should be me covered till the weekend. Why do all my shows air on the weekend...
@Mario nah I've watched the whole thing but I'd heard about it at the start of this year and put it off. The dialogue between her and the fairies was great stuff, probably gonna rewatch it this weekend now that you mention it
Alright, I got three posts written up and will be throwing them out in about two hours or do.
I thought you've finished it. Yeah I love her character a lot, so cynical but witty. My favorite moment was when she read about fairy's plan to invent religions. She was like "so religions are invented?" (beat) "I've learn something new today". Priceless
@Mario Oh nice, it was one that I had heard about but never got round to. To put it in simple anime terms, Watashi is best girl
@topgavin: I just finished the series yo mentioned the other day: humanity is declined. Man, I love it. I know now I have a thing for dark twisted absurdist anime
@Ano340004: the name is Watashi ga Motete Dousunda, or to put it short Motete. I have fun with it but i'm not that enthuastic
@anon the english name is Kiss him, not me. Search through the first impressions if you need the jap name.
then that girl really loves BL (boy love)
what is the name of the anime that the girl is fat and then she got depressed because her favorite boy anime died then she got thin?
Season 7 is awesome so far too. It feels like the tone of the show is finally back to normal and it feels like Adventure Time again.
Whew, I binged all seasons of Adventure Time this weekend. The show hit a low spot in Season 6 but I think it needed to happen...Poor Finn needed the serious character development after what he did to FP.
You guys are too hard on it
Motete is very funny
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When it comes to gag manga and four-koma, I just eventually reach a stopping point with a comedy series in that format. Even with hidamari sketch.
I think it was typical light novel trash based on what was in the PV. I laughed that despite it being horrible that the crowd still cheered anyway, likely because it had a bath clip in it.
The PV was hilarious. I had no idea what the anime was about.
@Aidan I'm good, I'll stick with Working.
@K-Off, you could switch to something like Gi(a)rlish Number if you like. I for one am really digging the satire of the show. Plus I like that it's basically showing how an utter train-wreck of an anime can be made. That PV in the last episode was truly painful.
Feeling pretty disappointed with Working. I haven't gotten any more cynical with comedies, at least I don't think, and its flaws are so irritating.
@Adam Le, I find that with Comic book dialogue. Which is one of the reasons I have gone off marvel movies. Cartoons have it to a degree as well.
I love the instagram shots in Yuri
Maybe I can have a watch through those live action films and do a compare/contrast to see which version works better. After all movie and tv series are 2 different medium, and live-action vs animation is the topic that we never get tired of
speaking of which, the overlap between anime and live-action adaptation from manga is overwhelming. For this year alone, there were Erased, 3-gatsu no Lion, Fune o Amu, orange, and Chihayafuru (part 1&2). Those were just the ones I know.
@Adam: Don't know which genre you're into but you can try Fune o Amu (The Great Passage)
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I can't seem to get into any of these new shows. I don't know, the dialogue always seems off to me and the forced comedy is a big turn off.
Reminds me of a thought I had when I was last at the Getty art museum. People walking past works of art hundreds of years old, but only taking a second-long glance before moving on to the next one. Not their fault really, it's only the professional critics who can understand what they see with depth.
I'm the opposite really, they're getting paid for what they said so they better know their shits
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I suppose I'm slightly envious of professional critics somewhat.
Sometimes you're just meant to experience the ride you know. I don't watch those explained video anymore because after all it's just one guy's opinions.
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And I mean people who art professionals or students.
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I guess I'm just unsure of something, how many people watching "arty" stuff are able to pick it up on their own. By looking up an "explained video" or "explained essay" to get it, am I copping out?
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