Posted by psgels on 27 March 2008 with categories: Anime Reviews


Ah, shounen-fighting series. How many of them have fallen into the pit of mediocrity? Probably too many to count. Still, once in a while a series appears in the genre that actually delivers. The cream of the crop is for me the Law of Ueki, and even though Kekkaishi couldn’t come to that same level, it’s still a good example of a well-developed series in a genre that overall consists out of lazy manga-adaptations and toy-commercials.

For once our lead heroes (Yoshimori and Tokine) don’t have offensive powers. In fact, the entire concept of Kekkaishi is based around defence; all they can do is block, nothing more. The first twenty episodes are basically just reserved for random stories that let the viewer get familiarized with both the characters, and how they make use of their own powers in their own way. The creators manage to keep these episodes more than interesting through lots and lots of quirky characters, who’ll put a smile on your face.

Then when the story comes, this series has the advantage that it can work with characters that are already pretty well fleshed out, and the creators make perfect use for that. Keep a lookout for when Gen appears, because he’s without a doubt the best character of the series. Throughout its run of 52 episodes, Kekkaishi isn’t afraid to do things that usual series of the genre try to avoid.

There are a few problems with this series, though. Fighting-series should NEVER play with hidden powers, and yet every single one seems to have them. Although Kekkaishi uses them in enough moderation, they do pop up at the worst possible moments. This is the cause that the final three episodes will feel rather meh, which is a shame because the episodes that lead up to them are excellent.

It also feels that a part of this series does feel needlessly drawn out, though. I believe that this would have been the perfect series for 39 episodes (my personal favourite series-length). Apparently, this series was dropped by its sponsor and had to be drawn out to a 52-episode format so that it could be sold overseas, though this is why I’m of the opinion that series should just use the amount of episodes that fits for their story, and not make the story fit its amount of episodes.

On a semi-unrelated side-note, I think that this is a good place to voice some complaints about Sunrise that I’ve been having. I personally consider four animation-studios as “the big four” for television-series: Nippon Animation, Production IG, Madhouse and Studio Deen with as runners up Gonzo and Bones. I don’t think of Sunrise at all when I think of my favourite series, and yet they have been behind some interesting series as Freedom, Mai Hime, Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto and Gintama.

I think that I finally know the reason: it’s a bit harder to see, but they’re just like Kyoani and Makoto Shinkai. They may be great in their own way, but they’re too afraid to try out new things. Makoto Shinkai has his male main characters, Kyoani has its high-school settings, and for Sunrise, everything has to be epic and everything has to be a commercial success. Concepts that work get needlessly drawn out, which is probably why Kekkaishi went on for too long.

At the moment, I’m still hoping that Gintama won’t run out of jokes, now that it’s already passed its ninety-episode mark. Sunrise has produced a lot of noteworthy anime, but they’re just not like Gonzo, who can churn out a Master of Epic once in a while from out of nowhere. Come on, why not try a slice-of-life series next time?

15 Responses

  1. Kim says:

    I think you are forgetting a lot of great Sunrise productions: Cowboy Bebop, Escaflowne, Planetes.

    Personally I think they have a much better track record than Gonzo. IMHO the only noteworthy series I saw from Gonzo is Gankutsuou.

  2. psgels psgels says:

    I was indeed mostly referring to the Sunrise of the 21st century, because I do acknowledge that they did a terrific job for Escaflowne. As for Planetes, I’ve yet to see that one, so I can’t judge it. :P

    As for Gonzo, I’ve actually seen quite a few memorable series from them: Bokura no, Red Garden, Master of Epic, NHK ni Youkoso and Blue Submarine no.6, and I haven’t even seen their most famous works yet: Last Exile and Gankutsuou.

  3. Kim says:

    Well I would recommend both Planetes and Gankutsuou. From what you like I think you would definitely like Planetes. It really focuses on the character development.

    Personally I don’t really like Last Exile that much (the first half was good but I think it fell apart in the 2nd half) but a lot of people do like that one. :)

  4. apexantapex says:

    I noticed a while ago that McDonald’s wasn’t appearing on their sponsor screen. That’s some big money to lose. PIty. The action flow in this one runs rings around Naruto — and I’m a Naruto fan (though Studio Pierrot makes it very, very difficult to do so. *sigh*)

    I read the manga in addition to watching this show — I felt that this show had some of the best story rearrangement and filler moments I’ve seen so far. It was pretty seamless — nothing screamed “filler! timesuck!” at me. I also enjoyed the way they rewrote the ending to be more inclusive of Tokine and her abilities, while keeping the ending true to the end of this particular arc in the manga.

    I agree, though, the last 3 episodes were peculiarly draggy for what should be a wham-bang shounen ending. I like character development, but it was a weird time to be doing background story on some of the ayakashi.

    The animation went a little berserk toward the end — nice how Yoshimori grew this long ropy neck and Tokine sported fluttery eyelashes, a tight top and bouncing D-cups in that last scene, and then became a talking puppethead at an odd moment.

    All that said, this has been a favorite of mine for a long time and I’m sad it’s over, though luckily I find it very rewatchable and of course the story goes on in the books.

  5. Westlo says:

    If you want to see Sunrise do something sorta slice of life than watch Planetes from the director of Code Geass, Infinite Ryvuis and Scryed.

  6. nahrub says:

    1st of all, kekkashi is great compared to other similar shounen anime. it knew when to stop. and the characters are not as annoying also.

    2ndly, i personally prefer sunrise over gonzo. considering the series produced in 2007/2008, gonzo only manage 1/8 on an epic level. the 7 rest are been-there-done-that series or it-burned-my-eyes-watching-it series. they starting to slip more n more.

    lastly, makoto shinkai’ll always do romance, satoshi kon’ll always do twisted stories n sunrise’ll always strive for commercial success. coz in the end only money pays the bill n keeps the studio running. gonzo’s quite new, they’ll learn soon enough.

    imo.

  7. Archer says:

    finally a shounen-fighting series that knew that the comedy should be always present in it’s plot because most anime in this genre tend to last to long and try to hard to give us some drama in the story and it all goes downhill from there (example Bleach,very good until around ep 30 i think when i lost interest,good example Hunter X Hunter the perfect shounen-fighting series)
    back to kekkaishi i was kinda disappointed by a few things in the last 3 episodes but in the end i had a lot of fun watching this anime and if i would have to recommend a shounen anime this would one of them
    btw psg i am surprised you had another change to say something about Code Geass (of curse a negative remark ) and i did not find it :p i guess you got bored of mentioning it

  8. psgels psgels says:

    Archer: Well, there are enough chances to say how much it sucks once the next season starts, so yeah, I deliberately didn’t mention Code Geass for that one. I suspect that I’ve been using it as a bad example a few times too many. ^^;

  9. bran says:

    Sunrise is up there with Madhouse as my favorite studios, sure they have put out plenty of mediocre series but rarely repulsively bad like other studios.

    I agree with Archer, Hunter X Hunter is the epitome of a shounen done well.

  10. death13a says:

    I hope for second season as i really like Kekkaishi. And there is more to tell about Urekai and Karasumori. Also psgels watch Planetes(from Greek it translates to wanderers). It really is good series that for me is at same level as Cowboy Bebop.

  11. Dan says:

    “Fighting-series should NEVER play with hidden powers, and yet every single one seems to have them.”
    I think that statement’s a little too broad for its own good. After all, in probably some of the best fight scenes the genre has known, unexpected powers bring in the suspenseful possibility that things may not go as we had all predicted.
    I agree with you that the final few episodes were not as exciting as they could’ve been. I think that’s more a result of the fact that the show was ending, and the focus ultimately had to return to the characters that are important.
    It was definitely a great journey, and I’m hoping for a sequel in the not-too-distant future.

  12. Ghost~ says:

    What are you talking about? Kekkaishi is not in any way shape or form, a good series. It’s just your ordinary generic shounen/fighting series. When I look at it, the first thing that always crosses my mind is that it’s essentially Inuyasha for little kids. The plot doesn’t make any sense, I mean, if the mage who was trying to protect the lord (who had for god knows why, unimaginable power that demons wanted)fell ill and couldn’t protect the lord any more and then suddenly woke up to everybody in the castle, including the lord, to be dead, it’s obvious that the demons killed them, so why didn’t the demons drain the lords power when they had the chance? Instead the body of the lord stayed there, got buried, had a school built over him, which became sacred land? Why didn’t they just take the body of the lord, and put it in more capable hands, like those shadow clan assholes or something. It’s obvious that the body of the lord is the only reason that the school grounds are sacred, the only reason demons are drawn to it, the only reason that the kekkaishi have to do what they do instead of leading normal lives, and the only reason that the main character came across his stupid resolution, to protect Tokine so that she never gets hurt again? You’re both in a line of work where you have to fight demons, you’re both going to get hurt at some point or another, it’s unavoidable. The characters are badly drawn, they use the same played out shounen humor that everybody else has used a hundred times already, powers are poping out of nowhere like, “hey I’m a ghost and I don’t want to go with you” hey look, a convenient spirit rope that can hold ghosts out of fucking nowhere. At least in something like Inuyasha they had some trial they had to go through before gaining a new power, although, also too convenient, at least they weren’t, again, out of fucking nowhere. Along with that, the main character is extremely stupid. Ten years of being and learning Kekkaishi ways and he’s still as piss poor as he was when he was a kid. Tokine was far beyond the level he’s at at age fourteen when she was still six. Overall I’d have to say that it’s a generic, bad, and just flat out nonsense series that I wouldn’t recommend to anyone, I’d sooner recommend Bakugan because they’re at least not trying to be good when they’re clearly not. 86 thumbs down for Kekkaishi and any weeaboo who thinks it’s a good series.

  13. Roldan says:

    The only weeaboo here are you, Ghost. You wrote a goddamn wall of text. Who does that nowadays?

    Your complains comes down to this “waah waah why? waah waah why? i’m stupid”. Kekkaishi isn’t by no means a 90+ series but it has some really great qualitys and it’s certainly not generic (ok a slight but aren’t most anime a bit generic?).

  14. Tanz says:

    I just learned of this series, watched it, and finished the manga. It’s amazing. Not perfect, but amazing. I found the dynamics of the main cast to be wonderfully played. It did fall off at the end and became mediocre in the end but Kekkaishi had those priceless moments that elevated the whole series.

    I’m aware that some of its premise is generic but I thought the art is very fitting and great. It’s simple and normal. I love Yoshimori’s simple design.

    And man, I love the humor. I found that to be one of the greatest points in Kekkaishi. I don’t honestly understand how people could find this to be a rubbish series. Obviously it’s flawed, but you need to at least notice that it has its moments that were done masterfully.

    I don’t agree at all with the comments Ghost~ made. The illogical aspects he found were completely explained and there’s nothing stupid at all for a person to never want to see the person they love to get hurt. Yoshimori’s simplicity and ordinariness is what makes him a very appealing shounen main character.

  15. xxyy Jiban says:

    I am really fan of Kekkaishi, almost 6 years then I rewatched it.. then I asked sunrise company if they continue http://www.sunrise-inc.co.jp/contact/work.html here where you can ask them for a sequel

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This last stretch of episodes is going to be good, so I heard from that novel reader. As long as the production doesn't derail itself, we're in for a treat.
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It's pretty obvious that with Haiji being the one running the final section of the Ekiden, that this might be his last.
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I do think that there'll be an episode of downtime between the episodes covering the 1st and 2nd days of the marathon. And maybe we'll finally get to see Haiji's past prior to his leg injury.
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So there's 5 episodes left, and it'll cover both days of the Ekiden since it's split into two sections. I heard from the novel reader that the 10th and final chapter is over 100 pages long, so having 5 episodes should be enough to cover everything. Shindo's running last in the 1st half but he's got a cold, which does bring some concern.
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Seems like a pretty slow week here. Anyhow, in this Kaze ga ,we're at the final stretch before the Ekiden next episode. Really liked Fujioka's speech at the start. They're also starting to unravel more on Haiji's past as well.
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ahahahaha so that was it, she is voiced by Kana Hanazawa.
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Something that came to mind when watching that quintuplets show, somehow the archetype I ended up going for was Ichika's character somehow. Never usually the case.
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Glad to here you have brand new one coming up Kaiser
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The current laptop I've got on loan I'm using is kind of a pain to use, makes doing anything including typing/posting/watching slow, its a ropey old windows millenium edition laptop that I'd stopped using years ago.
@Amagi: Also a sequel to legend of koizumi has been translated.
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@Kaiser: thanks for the links!
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Get well soon, Kaiser’s CPU!
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Dammit, my main computer crashed suddenly, see you all in a few days to a week maybe =< borrowing someone elses laptop.
Anonymous3429052
Dororo or Durarara. That is the question
Vonter
The cutscenes in that game kinda look a bit off, like with the Dragon Prince show they look a bit choppy.
Anonymous3425269
Personally, I'm really hoping that Orange did them so they can gain more recognition working on a big franchise.
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I'm guessing Orange, Polygon or GEMBA did the CG cutscenes for the new Fire Emblem. They look too different from Echoes' CG cutscenes to come from Khara.
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It was always the second Zelda game I never played, that one is frowned upon.
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The remastered ocarina of time soundtrack is some of my favourite videogame music out there.
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I also loved the freaky-ass whip arms final boss too.
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It seemed darker too.
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I hold the unpopular opinion of liking majoras mask more than Ocarina, it was a harder game and it felt bigger, there was more side quest stuff to do aswell.
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@Vonter: Similarly, its be so very long since I played it, it was all the way back in 1993.
Vonter
I don't remember disliking it but I don't recall a lot of things. I mainly remember the ending, the animals and bit with a Goblin king that reminded me of The Hobbit.
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I remember loving the end theme music too.
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I know its not ranked among the best Zelda games, but links awakening was the first zelda game I played in the early 90s, I also remember they re-released a colour version of it too that allowed you to do extra stuff with the gameboy camera and printer.
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@Amagi: Also new Putin isekai chapter is out.
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Apparently there's gonna be another iteration of Bem. With whole new character redesigns. I suppose at some point they felt they needed to update them, since 4 iterations looked very similar and may come off as too retro for today. https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-02-11/twitter-user-compares-latest-yokai-ningen-bem-designs-to-previous-installments/.143177
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I just hope they actually do something with the leg. Its been used as a cliffhanger 1 to many times for me
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@Anon: It was good seeing a more serious side to the twins and I think Haiji's leg issues will provide some good drama.
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lol I think it's more like an orthopedic check-up. That strain from the race must've gave him concern about if he's able to run the Ekiden or not under this condition.
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*Ahem* excuse the gory joke =P
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Oh my God! Imagine if it like got cut and amputated off or something like that scene in gone with the wind! It'd be like....GONE with the run with the wind.
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Looks like we're getting more on Haiji's leg again.
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@Kaiser, Dororo was awesome. This was a great week and arc. Mio is best girl.
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Look, if the ending can make it work, I will forgive the CGI runners. But you have to admit, they don't look good
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@Lenlo But for now, you'll just have to grin and bear it when the next preliminary races prior to the Ekiden use CG for the background runners.
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I heard from a novel reader that the book is 10 chapters long, and this is currently adapting chapter 8. Chapter 10 covering the Ekiden is the longest part of the novel and will probably be covered in 3 episodes. Hope IG is saving all their resources on this finale judging by the CG used in previous episodes.
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It's also great to see how far Kurahana has come since the start. Even when confronting Sakaki being arrogant and all.
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And so this episode of Kaze ga is a breather episode, but we do get some more character development with the twins. It's nice to see Fujioka again.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I would happily have watched two more episodes of this arc in dororo.
Lenlo
Well alright
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Speaking of loving hell fonts, I notice that the review body text, and this text here are both sans-serif; which sort of princess of variable typefaces is not present for this readability bit to land?
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Dororo is awesome for just the hell fonts. I kind of expect on-brand gazebos (the temple to the 10 demons) to sell well this summer at Lowe's, Restoration Hardware, RH, wherever it is actually okay stuff derives, etc. I was kind of hoping the transitional story would lift all transitional boats, but that storyline has gone to soil microbes in the USA diaspora (though you know, stay classy PR.)
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Kemurikusa is like Kemeko DX if all the chemicals were fentanyl and the promise of a plot muted by lingering death were only ever expected to be a possibility. What had anyone watching ep. 3...5? Clinical use?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm also glad that tv anime like this is allowed to be so violent in this day and age.
Kaiser-Eoghan
To be honest it really is the only new show this season I currently especially care about.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I decided to read the whole Dororo manga and I think this weeks episode was every bit as moving as the manga was while building on it. I think if adapted correctly dororo (the character)'s backstory, the stuff with Daigo's son will be a highlight. I do think they could get rid of shounen shark guy though later on and not bother including him.
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The other thing, is how both this and She Ra have the same premise of the main character changing from the villain to the heroic side. I don't know if that's a good pattern but it's and interesting way to build a female character in which the relationship with their old friends is a way to add pathos.
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It felt like a new version of inspector Gadget could be do like this. Considering how it frames the criminal organization (for kids). And also maybe a crossover could work?
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I watched the Carmen SanDiego Netflix series. It was ok. I did like the simple visual style and Saturday morning vibe. It's clearly more for a younger audience, yet it wasn't that boring. Still all I could think about while watching it were 2 things:
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@Bothanons: Issues on both sides of the spectrum.
@Wooper: Its the politest take you could get on that premise.
@Mario: I think the anime skipped some stuff from the after the rain manga, I should probably read the manga.
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Edgy 14 year olds everywhere
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SuperWooper
I heard that show was about a teenage girl's crush on an older man. Sounds pretty problematic to me. I'm with the rest of the Internet on this one.
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Apparantly the other side of anime fandom (the internet) doesn’t watch Koi wa Ameagari
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The reddit anime awards are done! I did it! I was on stream! Oh joy. Can talk about this now.
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@Niello: I have decided to adopt the same approach for the new True detective season also.
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@Eoghan: Exactly my thought three episodes in. I wish I realise it before I picked up the show, because I definitely need to watch those three episodes again.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I want to watch new boogiepop at some point, but I'm just hoping it ends so I can just marathon the show, it'd be too confusing to watch once a week, instead of straight through in one go.
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Oh I just realize it's the same team as HnK well that explains that.
Amagi
@Aidan: Unsure too about the trailer but it reminds me more of Houseki, qualitywise, and less of all the other bad CGI shows. I have hope. Same with Vinland. Trailer had some CGI and Thorkell's design feels a bit different but aside from that it was good.
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@Kaiser: The selection isn’t out until April. Heck, they haven’t annouced the head jury yet
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I should really watch Shirobako one of these days and on the manga end, read Kurozuka as I remember the bit I did read was quite different from the anime (which I loved).
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I don't know if the film selection for Cannes this year is out yet. Though it'll be a while before I get to see them.
SuperWooper
Noice.
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Is it OK to brag here? I’ve just got the acrreditation to Cannes Film Fest this year baby. Will look forward for that one
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@Anon: I watched it years ago and thought even though the first half was poor it picked up in the second. Maybe if I rewatched it my thoughts would change.
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Majestic prince is really bad man
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SuperMario
Damn, just looked at the teaser of Beastars and I’m hooked. I’m hyped for the show
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: Beastars is a good choice for them yes, as was Houseki no kuni, Majestic prince which they co-made was really underated back when it aired.
niello
I like how Orange Studio seems to have good eyes for manga. And it looks as if they are trying to go for stories that lets them avoid animating normal humans. So, ones that are more compatible with their CG visual. It'd be nice if this lead to some manga adaptation that won't happen otherwise.
Vonter
I think people get too worked up on Shield Hero. While not a great show, I have found it entertaining. I suppose the underdog aspect also got meta. With that said, I think if instead of the heroine reapplying the slave contract they should have made a contract or something like that, that felt one-sided.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually have more confidence in the cgi if its done by the houseki team.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: When I talked to amagi about Beastars I don't think I ever heard your views on it. Also from what I recall you haven't read Vinland?
AidanAK47
Yep, full CGI for Beastars. I am somewhat half and half on it as the clip isn;t bad but I am a bit too used to the style of the manga.
https://youtu.be/S6H1qskbEIg
Lenlo
I dont expect the CGI to be bad. WIT has experience because of AoT now, and the boat/open ocean can profit from it a lot more than character models.

For Beastars, if its the Houseki no Kuni team, I wouldn't worry until we see a PV
Vonter
Maybe CGI wouldn not be as distracting if characters aren't humans? I mean the Star Fox Zero short was very good looking and it was full CGI.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Full cgi I think for beastars adaptation, although done by the people who did houseki no kuni so there could be exceptions made.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I didn't expect them to try and cover his post childhood. They will probably stop at the farm arc. There will be cg, I hope it won't be intrusive.
Lenlo
Ey Vinland pv is out! Looks good! I cant wait
Animosh
@Kaiser: I'm pretty sure Yuki's family issues will be addressed later on, this just wasn't the time for it. So far the show has always followed up on the character arcs it has introduced.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Something that feels very different about huge detailed art aswell on the other end more simpler styles, in comparison to alot of the generic moe style we mostly see now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And while I am on different artstyles, I bloody love Ryoichi ikegami and Suehiro murao also.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Complete different art too, cartoony even.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Years ago I read almost of Yoshihiro's stuff, although I never got around to finishing a drifting life by him, I also read that Mizuki guy manga i mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've been wondering about this for a bit, is anyone on here familiar with the Gekiga period/wave of manga from the 50s and 60s to very early 70s? Such as stuff the by Yoshihiro Tatsumi and also Shigeru Mizuki's Onward toward noble death?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I was right in there with them waiting to hear the results.
Anonymous3391737
They took the words I was about to say right out of my mouth.
Anonymous3391737
Late to the party, but man this was a good episode, iffy CG runners aside (though I hope that'll be addressed in the BDs). I'm so glad they were able to qualify.
Lenlo
Hmmm I cant wait to watch it
Kaiser-Eoghan
This cast has grown on me. Also while I would appreciate followup on Yuki's family, I actually don't mind if the show didn't, because this series manages to say much by saying little.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm glad that even though it showed then in a top ten list, they weren't up the top of it. Its more believable that way. Also who'd of though a race would be so tense?
Animosh
Also happy to see that the twins will get some spotlight next week. Aside from Musa they've had the least development so far, so they can use the attention. I also like that someone's finally raising the question what the point of it all is. If you have no chance of winning, why compete? It's a valid question, and I'm looking forward to hearing Haiji's answer.
Animosh
Haiji's injury was less of an issue than I expected: he even finished as "best of the rest" (excluding the leading group). Looks like it'll keep simmering under the surface for now. The fact that it was highlighted again probably means it is going to play a big role in the story eventually though.
Animosh
Anyhow, you can't always get everything you want, so whatever. It's still a very good adaptation overall, with some of the most impressive animation out there, and with some luck the cuts were just a one time thing and the rest of the season will be consistently well-paced. And if not ... well, the Claw arc is less "deep" anyway, so cuts will be less of an issue there I think.
Animosh
And just to be clear, I also agree that the episode elevated the source material in many ways: the aspect ratio nonsense aside, the episode looked incredible, no question. But my complaint is not with the animation, but with the storytelling, which - although by no means awful - could have been a hell of a lot better.
Animosh
@Anon: I agree the two chapter rule isn't perfect, and when there's a lot of fighting a faster pace is often preferable. So maybe an additional episode would have been too much - again, I don't remember how much was cut exactly. And of course, in the end pacing is a matter of preference. I loved this arc in the manga, and I'm probably more negative about cuts than you guys just because of that.
Anonymous3390450
@animosh Ill always remember this episode and laud it for it was able to accomplish. There are so many things it did to elevate the source material. Everything it covered from the source material was elevated in animation; the only issue was that shit got cut, and it's a bit unfortunate because i think it could have been easily avoided. Like lenlo said: a part of our gripe comes from our manga exp
Anonymous3390450
@animosh as a product of the previous season and episodes leading up to this, but it would have been even better if we got to share the experience mob had in mogami's would. The dread and isolation mob was meant to feel was communicated artfully; but that third element; the experience; that was what was needed to complete the trifecta and cement this episode as THE perfect adaptation.
Anonymous3390450
@animosh influences mob, we are missing one more element that would have completely sealed the deal. By BONES cutting out what they did, they took away from the viewer the EXPERIENCE mob went through. Losing that aspect, watching mob's journey through mogami's illusion, slightly hampers the overall impact his breakdown and his use of his powers against people. Most of the impact is still there
Anonymous3390450
@animosh despite my criticisms, i thought this episode was fucking great. I think the directing captures the dread and haunting oppressiveness mogami's illusions were meant to have on mob quite well. The adaptation communicates well what mob went through and why it broke him. What my criticisms amount to is that while the direction communicates well how mogami's macabre thinking eventually
Anonymous3390450
@Animosh that 2-3 chapters pace is not really a reliable rule, because that standard is completely dependent on how much content is in a particular chapter. The second half of this Mob psycho episode adapted like 3 or 4 chapters without feeling rushed; why? because those chapters the second half of the episode adapted were all action scenes, which when animated, take up less runtime
Animosh
Maybe I've just been spoiled by that other big Bones adaptation, My Hero Academia, which not only has great pacing but even adds high-quality filler to improve on the source material. Compared to that ... this was rather disappointing. But as Lenlo said, the episode did still do a lot of things right, so I didn't hate it or anything. It's just that it could have been much better still.
Animosh
@Anon: maybe that would have been enough (it would certainly have been an improvement). It's been so long since I read the manga that I don't know how much was cut exactly. But in general 2-3 chapters per episode is the pace adaptations should aim for, but these two episodes covered a whopping 8 chapters. That's just too much, especially for an arc where build-up is so important.
Lenlo
I think a longer episode, cut the OP, squeeze out every minute, would be better than a whole nother full episode.

Thing is, I think we are only a bit disappointed because we were manga readers. For anime only, this probably still hit all the right notes. And really, the entire episode is just straight fire animation wise
Anonymous3390290
@Animosh Nah; i don't think giving it 1 more episode would have been the answer, all it would have done is drag things out. What this episode needed to tape into its full potential was to be an extended episode; a 27 min ep that cut both the op and ed. If mediocre shows like re:zero can get 26 min eps commissioned out the wazoo then why can't a great show like mob psycho get that shit?
Animosh
I did still enjoy the episode as a collection of well-animated action set-pieces, but as a story arc just one more episode could have made it so much better imo.
Animosh
To use your example: no, an episode filled with suffering wouldn't have been fun. But now we barely got a glimpse of what Mob went through. The boy went through hell, and he was stuck there for six (!) months. Even so, he decided to forgive Minori, and his positive emotions beat Mogami's negative ones. In the manga that felt like a triumph, here not so much.
Animosh
But as a viewer (and a manga reader who's a fan of this arc), I thought it was somewhat disappointing. Yes, without the cuts the episodes may have been a bit less engaging, but I think that would have been fine all things considered. Build-up episodes are always less fun than the dramatic highlights, but they're necessary to make them land.
Animosh
@Lenlo: I understand why Bones did it this way, and I agree it would have been harder to make each episode engaging, get them to end at good points etc otherwise. It's also very possible they were contracted for a certain number of episodes, and if they want to get to the end of the Claw arc in 12 episodes some short cuts were inevitable.
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