Posted by psgels on 28 March 2008 with categories: Anime Reviews


So… I watched it. I originally dropped the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya after four episodes, back when it aired in the spring-season of 2006, simply because I had to drop a few series to prevent myself from watching too many series. The biggest reason why it took me so long to pick it up again is simply because the fanbase back then was incredibly annoying. Everyone seemed to talk about how awesome this series was, but the most praises I read were not about how well it was written, or the amount of creativity that was put into it, but about how moe the different female characters were. It really feels like every single squeal of Mikuru has been intensively discussed. I don’t know about others, but I’m not that keen on watching a series that’s based on a few moe-actions.

After finally watching this series, I must say that this series definitely is more than just moe, moe and moe. It’s been based on a series of light-novels, and it shows in the dialogue. Especially Kyon and Itsuki like to ramble on and with their respective sarcasm and philosophical analysis, and both are really well-written and keep you interested throughout the lesser interesting parts of this series, but I’ll get to that later.

Another flawless area of this series is of course the animation itself. It’s clear that Kyoani had a big budget for this series, and they used it pretty nicely to convey the subtle movements of the characters, the detailed backgrounds to portray the overall lives of the characters and the very impressive CG-scenes that pop up once in a while.

Well, now, regarding the lesser points of this series: there are basically two major flaws in this series. This anime basically consists of two parts. The first seven episodes (if I recall correctly, the original series aired in random order) are basically the story-arc, and show how Kyon gradually gets to know all the mysteries around Haruhi Suzumiya. This part is actually pretty good! The story continues to get pushed forward, and especially the second half of this story-arc delivers with a subtle, yet ominous atmosphere. The characters continuously develop and change, and it doesn’t have any chance to get boring. Heck, it wasn’t even focused on moe at all.

But yeah, the second arc is much less interesting. It’s basically a collection of random fillers that I guess were meant to flesh out the concept, but things rather failed here. It’s here where the character-development grinds to a halt and this series becomes mostly boring. This arc again consists out of seven episodes, and only during one of them I didn’t catch myself edging for ALT-F4, which ironically was the most down-to-earth episode of the bunch.

Which brings me to the second flaw of this series: Haruhi Suzumiya herself. Kyon, Itsuki and Yuki are actually pretty interesting characters, and I guess that Mikuru turned out much better than expected. Haruhi, however, got on my nerves every time she appeared. She also brought out the worst in other characters, because especially Mikuru can’t stop squealing when Haruhi is up to one of her plans again.

I’m not sure whether I’m the only one with this, but the moments I actually enjoyed most were the “quiet moments” of this series. Moments where nothing happened, and the characters were just killing time. I couldn’t care less about all of Haruhi’s adventures, and her need to meet up with strange things, and yet I liked seeing Kyon and Itsuki playing a random board-game; I liked how Yuki was alone in a room, while in the next room the local drama club was practicing. Heck, I even liked Kyon as he kept thinking about how hot Mikuru was. What I didn’t like was when Haruhi would jump into the club-room to announce her umpth idea.

Really, this turned out to be quite a good series, only with the “bad main character”-syndrome. When the second season arrives, I hope that the creators will continue to build upon what they’ve established now, and keep their focus as much away from Haruhi as possible.

37 Responses

  1. kanami says:

    I think you will be happy with the second season, since the book it will be based on seems to be The Vanishment of Haruhi Suzumiya – so yeah, not so much Haruhi in that one :p . Also, it leaves the filler-ish nature of the second part of the first series and goes back to plot and character development.

  2. Windspirit says:

    I was actually bored as hell in the first part, I didn’t feel the character developed at all (and I ain’t a sucker at all for character development) and just weren’t interested to random baseball, space battles and Phoenix Wright-like detective story.

    But I actually liked the second part, where the story starts to develop a little. I enjoyed the talks between Itsuki and Kyon and was quite attracted to the philosophical theories on Haruhi being God and what are her powers and the possible world-reset. (And God Knows that I LOVED Haruhi’s concert.)

    I was kind of disappointed at the end, because I felt that the story just “started”, and it needs moar. But yeah, KyoAni are hardcore fans of Key (they announced a Clannad sequel), so Haruhi II is probably nothing but a myth.

  3. RmX says:

    Well the fillers were in the novels too. And don’t tell me that the EPIC SPACE BATTLE and concert episodes weren’t awesome. =D

  4. Eonir says:

    I have to admit I also enjoyed this series, despite this whole moe-ism. My favourite part was that mysterious island…

    Come to think of it, MoSH is mere a ‘slightly moe’ series, when compared to Lucky Star(which is not that bad…when you set aside the moe). I know, since I survived all of the 26 eps.

  5. psgels psgels says:

    Windspirit: oh, I watched the episodes in their real order, and not in the order that they aired, so the first seven episodes basically are the ones that reveal all the major things about Haruhi.

    Oh, and I wouldn’t worry about the second season not coming. Lucky Star was so chockful of Haruhi-references, which were quite annoying but do suggest that Kyoani hasn’t forgotten this series at all.

    Oh, and I didn’t think too much of the concert and space-battle, by the way. They were nice enough to watch, but I wouldn’t consider them among the highlights of this series.

  6. IcyStorm says:

    I heard that in the light novels, Haruhi isn’t as an arrogant and annoying, and she gets better as the series progresses.

  7. nahrub says:

    i don’t think that they can keep their focus away from haruhi coz, duh, the title itself called suzumiya haruhi… something.

    still, the show’s a bit overrated imo. it’s good, but not that good.

  8. Venneh says:

    I watched in broadcast order, and I think you get a better experience that way (actual order is just… eh. Also, I have an issue with the fact that half the series is technically one episode).

    But yeah. It’s a good series, but it’s not the be-all end-all of anime like everyone was making it out to be.

  9. marmot says:

    Yeah it did really feel like only half the series was worth watching. I think one of the problems was the episode order, it just seemed to be trying too hard to be clever but suddenly inserting a random baseball episode (a perfectly enjoyable if pointless episode) when important plot details are being revealed was irritating. While they shouldn’t necessarily have made it chronological, episode 14 made it seem like they lived happily ever after in love when we know this isn’t the case, if they had simply stuck episode 9 last in airing then it would deserve a lot more hype.

  10. marmot says:

    *THE hype
    it doesn’t need any more of that.
    though the really big gender bender movement for it is hilarious.

  11. Windspirit says:

    Yeah. Just as Jason says, when the fans are starting to entertain themselves, you feel that it’s getting derailed. And we’re starting to really, REALLY need some MOAR. But… yeah, Haruhi II is a myth, it’s just a tool to advertise KyoAnimu projects.

  12. alida says:

    “Haruhi, however, got on my nerves every time she appeared. She also brought out the worst in other characters, because especially Mikuru can’t stop squealing when Haruhi is up to one of her plans again.”

    Yes, finally – someone agrees with me. I absolutely DESPISE the concept of how the world basically revolves around that arrogant brat. Seriously, I couldn’t care less if the world exploded after anyone angers her. I would rather let the world perish than worship that, err, person.

    Actually, Kyon is annoying too. Seriously, he can’t stand up for himself at all. Just don’t go to the stupid club room if you don’t want to, Kyon!

  13. kanami says:

    Just in case, in my comment I was talking about the chronological order, not the airing order.

  14. Papilo says:

    Yuo are not alone when comes to runaway from excessive moe-stuff, to me a good story are greater than a cute appealing character design forcing you to hug and squish and moeeee. =/

    So, I just watch one episode of MoHS and i can’t see myself watching Lucky Star. I know that a anime moeness isn’t enough to deny a good story, but I need something to separate water from wine. When the wine ends we start to drink watered wine. ^^

    That said, I guess I need to try again MoHS. =)

  15. GBShaw says:

    The main story-arc of the second season will most likely be the adaptation of ‘The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi’ which is Nagato-centric.

  16. yoshi927 says:

    I disagree on some points of the review, but I agree that it’s quite overrated. Still, it’s a fun show. I’m a diehard Phoenix Wright player, so that island joke really clicked with me.

  17. Wyrdwad says:

    It’s a shame you watched the series in chronological order (and even more of a shame that that’s how it was packaged on the DVDs!), as it really loses a lot of its charm that way. Take, for example, the baseball episode. In broadcast order, this was episode four… and because it came so early in the series, it was one of the GREATEST EPISODES EVER… the characters were constantly discussing “the event” that transpired, and very intentionally refraining from giving away what this event actually WAS… only that it was something incredibly significant that had a HUGE impact on EVERYTHING.

    Basically, the “second half of the series” SHOULD have been interspersed with the “first half,” as that’s how it aired, and that’s what makes all the filler episodes interesting: they exist partially for character development, but they also partially exist to sort of “hype up” the main plot, and make you more and more intrigued to find out what actually happened.

    Needless to say, the event itself – Melancholy V – was the final episode in broadcast order. And while I actually really, REALLY like the final episode in chronological order (it’s probably my favorite in the series!), I think the actual end of the main plot makes for a better finale.

    Also, I thought Haruhi was a really interesting and well-developed character. I liked her a lot, in fact. The flaws in her personality that you point out are really a pretty major part of her charm. But, to each his own, I suppose!

    Either way, I’m glad you (mostly) liked the show. It really is a pretty excellent anime.

    -Tom

  18. alida says:

    Seriously, Tom, – if they had that much of a tactic, why did they not NAME THE EPISODES IN THAT ORDER INSTEAD!!?

  19. Gottis says:

    I must say I could never finish the series. Not because of the quirky order or anything, but the MOE. D= I hate that, really, really hate that, and even if redhaired boob girl got more development later, she scared me off enough in the first episode (which really is what episode in the anime?) to kill my interest for the anime.
    (Then of course, with my double standards, had it been a boy, I most definitely would have stuck around, because CUTE~! …Shounen-ai/yaoi fangirl, can you tell? >_> )

  20. Archer says:

    overall i loved this series,of course the story was not perfect maybe a few flaws here and there but the characters were the main thing i liked about this anime even if some were representing various stereotypes
    Kyon was great,i found him very interesting from the first episode with his sarcastic nature and the his voice actor is one of my favorites ( some characters of his i like : Gintoki from Gintama,Mayama from Honey and clover…)
    back to Haruhi this anime is a combination of different genres of anime but i think it does a great job in almost each one of them,i especially enjoyed the more slice of life oriented episodes,the more quiet episodes but i cannot deny that i like almost each of this series episodes and i even watched this anime twice in the course of a year (i rarely do that even if the anime is a short one) so even if not everyone thinks it is that great and people think it is overrated (everything is overrated and underrated in the end :) ) i still will be waiting for the second season that will be eventually released :D

  21. FireChick says:

    Hello. I know this is a bit off-topic but I think you should check out this anime here. It’s downloadable in 4 different languages (including Japanese).

    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-03-28/megumi-anime-about-girl-abducted-by-n-korea-posted

    It’s about a girl named Yokota Megumi who was kidnapped by North Koreans in 1977 (true story). The quality may be low but I think you might like it.

  22. Wyrdwad says:

    alida: Well, if you watch the show in its original broadcast form, the next episode previews show that the “randomized” order was obviously VERY intentional, as the dialogue generally consists of Haruhi and Kyon arguing over what the next episode number is (with Kyon using the broadcast order, and Haruhi using the chronological order). All the more reason to wonder why the show got reordered for the DVD releases… I suspect a blunder on Bandai’s part.

    All I know is, having watched the show in broadcast order originally, that was VERY, VERY OBVIOUSLY the intended order. I have zero doubt in my mind about that. And anyone who didn’t watch the show in broadcast order was honestly missing out.

    -Tom

  23. Wyrdwad says:

    Oh, and to answer your question directly… the episode names were left in chronological order as PART of this “tactic.” The way the show was originally structured, you could easily use the episode names and the next-episode previews to figure out what the chronological order was SUPPOSED to be… but that’s not how it was presented.

    No, it was definitely very intentional.

    -Tom

  24. CherylHew says:

    If Suzumiya Haruhi stops being like a *CENSORED* I’ll watch Season 2 =/ Seriously the one only thing that made me stop watching was how I LOATHED Haruhi’s character. Seeing her on screen made me seeth so much I couldn’t go past episode 5. And then the fandom made it even worse =_=

  25. Pegah says:

    I agree that the series should be watched in the order it was aired, because i can see how incredibly boring it would be to watch it any other way. if all the interesting stuff was taken care of in the first half and the filler type episodes marathoned towards the end, i would have stopped watching too. this way it captured your attention throughout the whole series.

  26. ryvrdrgn14 says:

    I really do enjoy the series a lot and I’m looking forward to a second season if there is one. Looking at the larger picture, everything does go well together.

    Like Kyon, you enjoyed the quiet parts which was like a break from Haruhi’s antics. I guess you did relate to the setup of the characters in some way. ^_^

    I pursued the series in the following order:

    1) Watched broadcast order. I didn’t know it was in the wrong order at first so I did get confused.
    2) Wikipedia’d and watched in chronological order. Ah! Much better! That’s how it went.
    3) Read the novels. Lotsa stories and details there that really helped flesh things out.
    4) Watched the series in chronological order again. Much, much better. ^_^
    5) Listened to the Character Image songs and Drama CDs. Lotsa references and insights in the lyrics after you’ve done all of the above ^_^;

    Anyway, it’s not the only show that I like, but it does set itself apart after absorbing most of the available material. Right now, I’d have to put it right beside my classic favorite, Urusei Yatsura. ^_^

  27. alida says:

    Tom – I never claimed that they weren’t intentionally done, which, as you said above, obviously was. I’m just asking why they never packaged in that order (seriously, who cares about the previews in DVDs – do they even have previews?) – if, as you also claimed before, gave the series a little bit more “sugar and spice?”

  28. kal says:

    Its strange to hate a character for being annoying/arrogant/any-negative-traits. Its not wrong to hate a real person for that, but a character is like that because she/he need to be. If Haruhi became more mild, then the story won’t happened.

    Anyway, she just genki.

  29. Sam K says:

    I agree with you about the scenes in the clubroom, where they were just sitting around relaxing and getting on with the grind of the summer/winter. I adored the scene with Nagato sitting reading as there was some speech learning class on. I don’t know why, but they seemed really nostalgic and alluring. I hope to hell the next series keeps some of this as it will be a real shame to lose the feeling they give off.

    However, heres the bombshell, I liked Haruhi. I think the show needed something like her, arrogant, and even annoying. She gradually changed but having the contrast between her loud, irritating moments allows the quaint moments to be all the more rewarding.

    Anxiously awaiting the next installment, though, terrified it will be a disaster.

  30. fred says:

    Nice job failing to mention any of the metaphors & deeper meanings in the show…
    Not to mention the fantastic cinematography.

  31. Kimi-chwan^^ says:

    Your summary of Haruhi no Yuutsu is great! I also liked Kyon, Itsuki, and Yuki, but they weren’t enough to make me love the anime like I thought I would. Even without Haruhi’s presence, I disliked Mikuru. However, like you, I felt that the biggest reason for me hating the series was the fact that I can’t stand that controlling bitch, Haruhi Suzumiya! Here are the top four reasons I disliked her:
    1. She’s NOT a genius like the fans made her out to be (she acts especially impulsive in the computer game episode). She gets good grades and has an above average level of intelligence, but she’s not spectacularly intelligent by anime standards.
    2. NEVER at any point in the series does she redeem the hateful demeanor we are forced to endure for 13 or so episodes. She’s a flat character! She never undergoes any NOTICABLE growth in maturity, her “visit to the baseball game” experience was thought-provoking, but is only mentioned once and is never discussed or even contemplated again in the series, and she never does ANYTHING of any merit when interesting stuff happens (Yuki does most of the legwork).
    3. I have a couple friends that were sexually abused in their childhood and therefore, I found her repeated molestations of Mikuru incredibly tasteless and VERY hard to watch. What Haruhi does to Mikuru is NOT something a lovable tsundere would do, that’s something a convicted sex offender would do.
    4. She’s a cliché stock character! The excessively hyperactive and determined stock character has been done before and has been done a lot better (Luffy [One Piece], Tomo Takino [Azumanga Daioh], etc.).
    Why do people like Haruhi so much?! Note: I have not yet read the manga, so I am only criticizing the ANIME version of Haruhi Suzumiya. Overall, the seiyuus were good for the most part, the art of the series was pretty good, and the idea of the series is interesting, but I felt that Haruhi’s over-the-top tsundere personality and her freaking annoying cult following ruined the entire series for me. In short, the anime Haruhi no Yuutsu had potential, but turned out to be disappointing. :(

  32. DP says:

    The reason why people are over-hyped is since they have already read the novels. The first part is interesting, but what I don’t get is why you all say Haruhi hasn’t any char development. She has. Why don’t you watch ep 9 and find out.

    Or maybe, read the translated Light Novels at Baka-Tsuki. I’ll see you revise your statement, kimi-chwan.

  33. asddass says:

    I fail to understand how the “filler episodes” weren’t awesome. I mean the space fight? The rock song?

    But I guess that happens when you hate a character so much you need to ignore everything else. I actually have no problem witht hat.

    The only thing I find ridiculous is calling her a flat character, because she definitely is more complex and original than most character’s I’ve ever seen. And if you fail to see that, then maybe you should watch it again or, maybe, think about it a little.

    Clichè character? Don’t make me laugh. I’m assuming you skipped all the scenes where her actual view of the world was discussed between Kyon and Koizumi or even Haruhi herself.

    If you see nothing more than “Lol hyperactive girl molesting moe girl”, then you should perhaps go back to true moe shows. Do you even understand WHY she does that stuff?

    Of course, I’m speaking as a Haruhi fan, but don’t think I’m blinded by cute appearances and funny scenes. I know that she’s a horribly flawed character pretty well. In fact, that’s why I like her.

  34. yea wtf says:

    “Yes, finally – someone agrees with me. I absolutely DESPISE the concept of how the world basically revolves around that arrogant brat. Seriously, I couldn’t care less if the world exploded after anyone angers her. I would rather let the world perish than worship that, err, person. ”

    EXACTLY. Finally someone agrees with me. Haruhi is oh so special. Great. I didn’t find developement in character very compelling or interesting, and the problem is that it was hardly there. Haruhi is such a conceited protagonist, as fun loving and random as she is, she never really interested me. I’d rather watch FLCL for “random anime.”

  35. yea wtf says:

    “Yes, finally – someone agrees with me. I absolutely DESPISE the concept of how the world basically revolves around that arrogant brat. Seriously, I couldn’t care less if the world exploded after anyone angers her. I would rather let the world perish than worship that, err, person. ”

    EXACTLY. Finally someone agrees with me. Haruhi is oh so special. Great. I didn’t find developement in character very compelling or interesting, and the problem is that it was hardly there. Haruhi is such a conceited protagonist, as fun loving and random as she is, she never really interested me. I’d rather watch FLCL for “random anime.”

  36. meikyuu says:

    I agree with some of the comments above me. I like Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, but sometimes Haruhi annoys the crap out of me with her arrogance, I don’t always understand why so many people like her, she’s not that likeable, and I feel bad for poor Mikuru. :|

  37. esdee says:

    yes, i think haruhi is a bit annoying and i thought she was funny and adorable at the first place– but it turned out that a title character can be a villain. oh well…

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SuperMario
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thought*. Words are hard.

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Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
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Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
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@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
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@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
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@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
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@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
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@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
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Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
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A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
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@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
Lenlo
Anime hipster is pretty accurate. His general treatment of the current state of anime is annoying, as is his obsession with moe. Maybe its cause I cant stand moe most of the time, but it bugs me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: Essentially my brothers view on digibro.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: I don't usually feel the need to correct errors in your reviews as the errors are generally un-important, but I think you meant to say apprentices rather than appearences in the Rakugo review, just bringing that up as it felt like kind of a throw off.
AidanAK47
Which is kinda like saying Madoka wasn't a magical girl deconstruction because Sailor Moon and Nanoha had dark elements too.
AidanAK47
Went and read the reddit comments on it and seems I was right on the money.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, He's basically a anime hipster. For example, I saw a thumbnail of his which had Saitama on it and below it "Is There Meaning In "Subverting" Shounen Tropes?" and I thought "Okay, he's going to go on about how OPM isn't subversive and then list a bunch of arbitrary examples in an attempt to redefine what is actually subversive"
Lenlo
I have lots of issues with Digibro. Dude has some good points, but other very horrible ones. Some issues he feels strongly about and gets kinda biased on imo.
Anonymous669202
acca looks visually interesting, and I personally really dig this kind of show, but it seems that it's definitely not for everyone
AidanAK47
Time to live up to my word. Four posts incoming.
AidanAK47
Man, Little witch Academia was so good. I disagree with the whole Digibro thing about being able to recognise a great show in it's first episode but watching this makes me think that this really is going to be something special.
AidanAK47
Alright, gonna put in effort today and have 3 or 4 first impressions posts done. That should knock out near half the season.
Kaiser Eoghan
Had a flip through handshakers. Garish is the word I'd use to describe it visually, it takes you out of the show.
Topgavin
ASuperMario From the first minute I can already tell it's by the same people that made K. Those colour filters and the extremely jarring/obvious city CGI is unmistakable.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, literally makes my hands shaking. It's an abosolute mess. Highly recommended to check it out because it's so terrible it's great to watch
Vonter212
Yeah, and it's also a literal woman in refrigerator plot device, since that the thing that pushes the story forward.
Masky
I'd say that having to hide your sister's body in fridge would count as daaaaaaark and edgy, but when the body is wearing only underwear, and for some reason main character put metal things in fridge to keep body standing(I guess to not knock fridge open from inside?) I think it goes to "exploitation" you are talking about
Vonter212
@Masky - Did someone said doing dark things for drama? That's the bread and butter to get despair. Unless it's for the sake of perversion. Then it's just exploitation.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Masky: His other works dead tube and scumbag go further in the unhinged regard.
Masky
*relies on easy "let's do [x dark thing] for drama!" thing
Masky
Geez, Mayonaka no X Giten is fricking disturbing/disgusting ._. I'm pretty sure that writing relies on e, but I can't help but think mangaka is trying to make corpses sexy.
SuperMario
I found Onihei to be quite good, actually one of the most solid new episode I watched this new season. Guys, check them out
Vonter
I just hope it doesn't fall into the same misstep Kabaneri or Inuyasha or Bleach fall by making a villain so over the top that it crossed the line of not having a satisfying downfall.
Anonymous657941
@Vonter I think they just moved on. I lost interest rather quickly and I guess even the fans did that at some point, like with some other long-running series. There is much more new and more direct "fujo" stuff out there, many of them probably switched. Don't know what happens in the manga but maybe the story got worse or contained things some people didn't like.
Vonter
January will be loli dictator month (for me) :p. World Conquest Zvezda Plot, Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil (new), Seraph of the End. For some reason I stumble into three curious series with little power hungry girls. If I can ask, why did Owari Seraph's hype died, I remember back it was mentioned more often. It still has the fujoshi fanart but still, I don't see people bringing it up.
SuperMario
@CATski: well, if you didn't like its first 3 episodes I dont think the rest gonna change your mind. Have you finished Erased then? How did you like it?
SuperMario
But I understand it's difficult to speak in front of camera, get some time to get used to it
SuperMario
@kaiser: I won't commend on poem as I'm terrible at it myself but younneed to work more on presentation Kaiser. Small little things like looking directly at the camera or say "thanks for listening" in the end can connect you to the audience better
Anonymous657071
Ok. I'll give the thing another chance. *clicks torrent* XD. CATski.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Topgavin: You might like centaur no nanami if you like demi-chan.
Kaiser Eoghan
Damn...repeated myself =<
Kaiser Eoghan
There are these things called slam sessions done in bars where people get up and read out stuff in front of a crowd and read stuff out. Actually watching rakugo made me think about practicing for that kind of thing.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: the video I did was of me reading out a short piece of writing I did, a poem. lol I uploaded it to the wrong youtube account too I just realized =P
[link src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBZ2hBDBYs&t=11s
I"] was recording this from my mothers laptops inbuilt cam while reading off my desktop.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I think it's a good idea for you to try out reviewing movies/stuffs in youtube channel. I'll be very interesting to listen to them
SuperMario
@Topgavin: Agree. Demi-chan was so charming. Definately one of my favorite so far this new season
Topgavin
Demi-chan's first episode was good. Like, really really good. That blonde-haired girl was hilarious, the teacher-student relationship between the MC and the girls is really interesting and the social/practical problems the demi's face make it look like my favorite show so far.
CATski
Ah... ok. Is it really that good or it's just one of those "artsy" animes that tend to get overrated by their ardent fans? I didnt find the rakugo bit interesting.... probably the weakest aspect of the show for me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Why did I read that chapter. Why did I do that to myself.
Kaiser Eoghan
Admittedly yes the premise is not for everyone, but if you stick with it, the flashback arc had some good character work in there.
CATski
Rakugo has a season 2? I watched ep 1 - 3 of season 1 then promptly deleted it. The loud "yankee" dude was annoying. And the anime was boring.
Kaiser Eoghan
Oh man, I've been thinking lately of trying to start some kind of youtube channel. I did a few trial run videos. Its much much harder than it looks, didn't realize how nervy being in front of a video camera was.
Kaiser Eoghan
*a declining art and rakygo halls are closing down
Kaiser Eoghan
As the show continues to mention how "its declining art", that got me thinking of the modern day, how while things like tv and cinemas probably hurt attendances for rakugo performances, the internet has replaced theaters .
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, now I've watched it. It'll be interesting to see Yotaro's relation to sukeroku's daughter develop. By all intents he should be an irritating character and not as interesting a yakumo based on his personality, but I can't help but like him, example of a goofball character done right.
Anonymous654016
ElDlive is looking good
Kaiser Eoghan
I haven't gotten around to rakugo's second seasons first episode yet =<
Kaiser Eoghan
Just looking at masamunes female protaganist I want to punch her.
Kaiser Eoghan
Vapid would be how I'd describe it, I didn't care about Masamune no revenge but at least there was some life to it.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, suzuka I remember a friend telling me when I got halfway through the anime to literally run from it and not continue. I flicked through fuukas first two episodes and played count the cliches.
Kaiser Eoghan
While I definitely got something out of Yojo senki's manga, I found the first episode easier to get through than the manga, in terms of pace and exposition.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Fuuka chapter 135. Read and be amazed.
Masky
Ah sorry ._.; And wait, there is another twist later on? What
AidanAK47
@Masky, Even if it's a crap show don't go posting spoilers on the chatbox.
Oh and that's just the begining, a really dumbass twist happened recently in the manga.
SuperMario
@Aidan: I'm away a whole day again so I'll be a bit late on my impressions.
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