Posted by psgels on 28 March 2008 with categories: Anime Reviews


So… I watched it. I originally dropped the Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya after four episodes, back when it aired in the spring-season of 2006, simply because I had to drop a few series to prevent myself from watching too many series. The biggest reason why it took me so long to pick it up again is simply because the fanbase back then was incredibly annoying. Everyone seemed to talk about how awesome this series was, but the most praises I read were not about how well it was written, or the amount of creativity that was put into it, but about how moe the different female characters were. It really feels like every single squeal of Mikuru has been intensively discussed. I don’t know about others, but I’m not that keen on watching a series that’s based on a few moe-actions.

After finally watching this series, I must say that this series definitely is more than just moe, moe and moe. It’s been based on a series of light-novels, and it shows in the dialogue. Especially Kyon and Itsuki like to ramble on and with their respective sarcasm and philosophical analysis, and both are really well-written and keep you interested throughout the lesser interesting parts of this series, but I’ll get to that later.

Another flawless area of this series is of course the animation itself. It’s clear that Kyoani had a big budget for this series, and they used it pretty nicely to convey the subtle movements of the characters, the detailed backgrounds to portray the overall lives of the characters and the very impressive CG-scenes that pop up once in a while.

Well, now, regarding the lesser points of this series: there are basically two major flaws in this series. This anime basically consists of two parts. The first seven episodes (if I recall correctly, the original series aired in random order) are basically the story-arc, and show how Kyon gradually gets to know all the mysteries around Haruhi Suzumiya. This part is actually pretty good! The story continues to get pushed forward, and especially the second half of this story-arc delivers with a subtle, yet ominous atmosphere. The characters continuously develop and change, and it doesn’t have any chance to get boring. Heck, it wasn’t even focused on moe at all.

But yeah, the second arc is much less interesting. It’s basically a collection of random fillers that I guess were meant to flesh out the concept, but things rather failed here. It’s here where the character-development grinds to a halt and this series becomes mostly boring. This arc again consists out of seven episodes, and only during one of them I didn’t catch myself edging for ALT-F4, which ironically was the most down-to-earth episode of the bunch.

Which brings me to the second flaw of this series: Haruhi Suzumiya herself. Kyon, Itsuki and Yuki are actually pretty interesting characters, and I guess that Mikuru turned out much better than expected. Haruhi, however, got on my nerves every time she appeared. She also brought out the worst in other characters, because especially Mikuru can’t stop squealing when Haruhi is up to one of her plans again.

I’m not sure whether I’m the only one with this, but the moments I actually enjoyed most were the “quiet moments” of this series. Moments where nothing happened, and the characters were just killing time. I couldn’t care less about all of Haruhi’s adventures, and her need to meet up with strange things, and yet I liked seeing Kyon and Itsuki playing a random board-game; I liked how Yuki was alone in a room, while in the next room the local drama club was practicing. Heck, I even liked Kyon as he kept thinking about how hot Mikuru was. What I didn’t like was when Haruhi would jump into the club-room to announce her umpth idea.

Really, this turned out to be quite a good series, only with the “bad main character”-syndrome. When the second season arrives, I hope that the creators will continue to build upon what they’ve established now, and keep their focus as much away from Haruhi as possible.

37 Responses

  1. kanami says:

    I think you will be happy with the second season, since the book it will be based on seems to be The Vanishment of Haruhi Suzumiya – so yeah, not so much Haruhi in that one :p . Also, it leaves the filler-ish nature of the second part of the first series and goes back to plot and character development.

  2. Windspirit says:

    I was actually bored as hell in the first part, I didn’t feel the character developed at all (and I ain’t a sucker at all for character development) and just weren’t interested to random baseball, space battles and Phoenix Wright-like detective story.

    But I actually liked the second part, where the story starts to develop a little. I enjoyed the talks between Itsuki and Kyon and was quite attracted to the philosophical theories on Haruhi being God and what are her powers and the possible world-reset. (And God Knows that I LOVED Haruhi’s concert.)

    I was kind of disappointed at the end, because I felt that the story just “started”, and it needs moar. But yeah, KyoAni are hardcore fans of Key (they announced a Clannad sequel), so Haruhi II is probably nothing but a myth.

  3. RmX says:

    Well the fillers were in the novels too. And don’t tell me that the EPIC SPACE BATTLE and concert episodes weren’t awesome. =D

  4. Eonir says:

    I have to admit I also enjoyed this series, despite this whole moe-ism. My favourite part was that mysterious island…

    Come to think of it, MoSH is mere a ‘slightly moe’ series, when compared to Lucky Star(which is not that bad…when you set aside the moe). I know, since I survived all of the 26 eps.

  5. psgels psgels says:

    Windspirit: oh, I watched the episodes in their real order, and not in the order that they aired, so the first seven episodes basically are the ones that reveal all the major things about Haruhi.

    Oh, and I wouldn’t worry about the second season not coming. Lucky Star was so chockful of Haruhi-references, which were quite annoying but do suggest that Kyoani hasn’t forgotten this series at all.

    Oh, and I didn’t think too much of the concert and space-battle, by the way. They were nice enough to watch, but I wouldn’t consider them among the highlights of this series.

  6. IcyStorm says:

    I heard that in the light novels, Haruhi isn’t as an arrogant and annoying, and she gets better as the series progresses.

  7. nahrub says:

    i don’t think that they can keep their focus away from haruhi coz, duh, the title itself called suzumiya haruhi… something.

    still, the show’s a bit overrated imo. it’s good, but not that good.

  8. Venneh says:

    I watched in broadcast order, and I think you get a better experience that way (actual order is just… eh. Also, I have an issue with the fact that half the series is technically one episode).

    But yeah. It’s a good series, but it’s not the be-all end-all of anime like everyone was making it out to be.

  9. marmot says:

    Yeah it did really feel like only half the series was worth watching. I think one of the problems was the episode order, it just seemed to be trying too hard to be clever but suddenly inserting a random baseball episode (a perfectly enjoyable if pointless episode) when important plot details are being revealed was irritating. While they shouldn’t necessarily have made it chronological, episode 14 made it seem like they lived happily ever after in love when we know this isn’t the case, if they had simply stuck episode 9 last in airing then it would deserve a lot more hype.

  10. marmot says:

    *THE hype
    it doesn’t need any more of that.
    though the really big gender bender movement for it is hilarious.

  11. Windspirit says:

    Yeah. Just as Jason says, when the fans are starting to entertain themselves, you feel that it’s getting derailed. And we’re starting to really, REALLY need some MOAR. But… yeah, Haruhi II is a myth, it’s just a tool to advertise KyoAnimu projects.

  12. alida says:

    “Haruhi, however, got on my nerves every time she appeared. She also brought out the worst in other characters, because especially Mikuru can’t stop squealing when Haruhi is up to one of her plans again.”

    Yes, finally – someone agrees with me. I absolutely DESPISE the concept of how the world basically revolves around that arrogant brat. Seriously, I couldn’t care less if the world exploded after anyone angers her. I would rather let the world perish than worship that, err, person.

    Actually, Kyon is annoying too. Seriously, he can’t stand up for himself at all. Just don’t go to the stupid club room if you don’t want to, Kyon!

  13. kanami says:

    Just in case, in my comment I was talking about the chronological order, not the airing order.

  14. Papilo says:

    Yuo are not alone when comes to runaway from excessive moe-stuff, to me a good story are greater than a cute appealing character design forcing you to hug and squish and moeeee. =/

    So, I just watch one episode of MoHS and i can’t see myself watching Lucky Star. I know that a anime moeness isn’t enough to deny a good story, but I need something to separate water from wine. When the wine ends we start to drink watered wine. ^^

    That said, I guess I need to try again MoHS. =)

  15. GBShaw says:

    The main story-arc of the second season will most likely be the adaptation of ‘The Disappearance of Suzumiya Haruhi’ which is Nagato-centric.

  16. yoshi927 says:

    I disagree on some points of the review, but I agree that it’s quite overrated. Still, it’s a fun show. I’m a diehard Phoenix Wright player, so that island joke really clicked with me.

  17. Wyrdwad says:

    It’s a shame you watched the series in chronological order (and even more of a shame that that’s how it was packaged on the DVDs!), as it really loses a lot of its charm that way. Take, for example, the baseball episode. In broadcast order, this was episode four… and because it came so early in the series, it was one of the GREATEST EPISODES EVER… the characters were constantly discussing “the event” that transpired, and very intentionally refraining from giving away what this event actually WAS… only that it was something incredibly significant that had a HUGE impact on EVERYTHING.

    Basically, the “second half of the series” SHOULD have been interspersed with the “first half,” as that’s how it aired, and that’s what makes all the filler episodes interesting: they exist partially for character development, but they also partially exist to sort of “hype up” the main plot, and make you more and more intrigued to find out what actually happened.

    Needless to say, the event itself – Melancholy V – was the final episode in broadcast order. And while I actually really, REALLY like the final episode in chronological order (it’s probably my favorite in the series!), I think the actual end of the main plot makes for a better finale.

    Also, I thought Haruhi was a really interesting and well-developed character. I liked her a lot, in fact. The flaws in her personality that you point out are really a pretty major part of her charm. But, to each his own, I suppose!

    Either way, I’m glad you (mostly) liked the show. It really is a pretty excellent anime.

    -Tom

  18. alida says:

    Seriously, Tom, – if they had that much of a tactic, why did they not NAME THE EPISODES IN THAT ORDER INSTEAD!!?

  19. Gottis says:

    I must say I could never finish the series. Not because of the quirky order or anything, but the MOE. D= I hate that, really, really hate that, and even if redhaired boob girl got more development later, she scared me off enough in the first episode (which really is what episode in the anime?) to kill my interest for the anime.
    (Then of course, with my double standards, had it been a boy, I most definitely would have stuck around, because CUTE~! …Shounen-ai/yaoi fangirl, can you tell? >_> )

  20. Archer says:

    overall i loved this series,of course the story was not perfect maybe a few flaws here and there but the characters were the main thing i liked about this anime even if some were representing various stereotypes
    Kyon was great,i found him very interesting from the first episode with his sarcastic nature and the his voice actor is one of my favorites ( some characters of his i like : Gintoki from Gintama,Mayama from Honey and clover…)
    back to Haruhi this anime is a combination of different genres of anime but i think it does a great job in almost each one of them,i especially enjoyed the more slice of life oriented episodes,the more quiet episodes but i cannot deny that i like almost each of this series episodes and i even watched this anime twice in the course of a year (i rarely do that even if the anime is a short one) so even if not everyone thinks it is that great and people think it is overrated (everything is overrated and underrated in the end :) ) i still will be waiting for the second season that will be eventually released :D

  21. FireChick says:

    Hello. I know this is a bit off-topic but I think you should check out this anime here. It’s downloadable in 4 different languages (including Japanese).

    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2008-03-28/megumi-anime-about-girl-abducted-by-n-korea-posted

    It’s about a girl named Yokota Megumi who was kidnapped by North Koreans in 1977 (true story). The quality may be low but I think you might like it.

  22. Wyrdwad says:

    alida: Well, if you watch the show in its original broadcast form, the next episode previews show that the “randomized” order was obviously VERY intentional, as the dialogue generally consists of Haruhi and Kyon arguing over what the next episode number is (with Kyon using the broadcast order, and Haruhi using the chronological order). All the more reason to wonder why the show got reordered for the DVD releases… I suspect a blunder on Bandai’s part.

    All I know is, having watched the show in broadcast order originally, that was VERY, VERY OBVIOUSLY the intended order. I have zero doubt in my mind about that. And anyone who didn’t watch the show in broadcast order was honestly missing out.

    -Tom

  23. Wyrdwad says:

    Oh, and to answer your question directly… the episode names were left in chronological order as PART of this “tactic.” The way the show was originally structured, you could easily use the episode names and the next-episode previews to figure out what the chronological order was SUPPOSED to be… but that’s not how it was presented.

    No, it was definitely very intentional.

    -Tom

  24. CherylHew says:

    If Suzumiya Haruhi stops being like a *CENSORED* I’ll watch Season 2 =/ Seriously the one only thing that made me stop watching was how I LOATHED Haruhi’s character. Seeing her on screen made me seeth so much I couldn’t go past episode 5. And then the fandom made it even worse =_=

  25. Pegah says:

    I agree that the series should be watched in the order it was aired, because i can see how incredibly boring it would be to watch it any other way. if all the interesting stuff was taken care of in the first half and the filler type episodes marathoned towards the end, i would have stopped watching too. this way it captured your attention throughout the whole series.

  26. ryvrdrgn14 says:

    I really do enjoy the series a lot and I’m looking forward to a second season if there is one. Looking at the larger picture, everything does go well together.

    Like Kyon, you enjoyed the quiet parts which was like a break from Haruhi’s antics. I guess you did relate to the setup of the characters in some way. ^_^

    I pursued the series in the following order:

    1) Watched broadcast order. I didn’t know it was in the wrong order at first so I did get confused.
    2) Wikipedia’d and watched in chronological order. Ah! Much better! That’s how it went.
    3) Read the novels. Lotsa stories and details there that really helped flesh things out.
    4) Watched the series in chronological order again. Much, much better. ^_^
    5) Listened to the Character Image songs and Drama CDs. Lotsa references and insights in the lyrics after you’ve done all of the above ^_^;

    Anyway, it’s not the only show that I like, but it does set itself apart after absorbing most of the available material. Right now, I’d have to put it right beside my classic favorite, Urusei Yatsura. ^_^

  27. alida says:

    Tom – I never claimed that they weren’t intentionally done, which, as you said above, obviously was. I’m just asking why they never packaged in that order (seriously, who cares about the previews in DVDs – do they even have previews?) – if, as you also claimed before, gave the series a little bit more “sugar and spice?”

  28. kal says:

    Its strange to hate a character for being annoying/arrogant/any-negative-traits. Its not wrong to hate a real person for that, but a character is like that because she/he need to be. If Haruhi became more mild, then the story won’t happened.

    Anyway, she just genki.

  29. Sam K says:

    I agree with you about the scenes in the clubroom, where they were just sitting around relaxing and getting on with the grind of the summer/winter. I adored the scene with Nagato sitting reading as there was some speech learning class on. I don’t know why, but they seemed really nostalgic and alluring. I hope to hell the next series keeps some of this as it will be a real shame to lose the feeling they give off.

    However, heres the bombshell, I liked Haruhi. I think the show needed something like her, arrogant, and even annoying. She gradually changed but having the contrast between her loud, irritating moments allows the quaint moments to be all the more rewarding.

    Anxiously awaiting the next installment, though, terrified it will be a disaster.

  30. fred says:

    Nice job failing to mention any of the metaphors & deeper meanings in the show…
    Not to mention the fantastic cinematography.

  31. Kimi-chwan^^ says:

    Your summary of Haruhi no Yuutsu is great! I also liked Kyon, Itsuki, and Yuki, but they weren’t enough to make me love the anime like I thought I would. Even without Haruhi’s presence, I disliked Mikuru. However, like you, I felt that the biggest reason for me hating the series was the fact that I can’t stand that controlling bitch, Haruhi Suzumiya! Here are the top four reasons I disliked her:
    1. She’s NOT a genius like the fans made her out to be (she acts especially impulsive in the computer game episode). She gets good grades and has an above average level of intelligence, but she’s not spectacularly intelligent by anime standards.
    2. NEVER at any point in the series does she redeem the hateful demeanor we are forced to endure for 13 or so episodes. She’s a flat character! She never undergoes any NOTICABLE growth in maturity, her “visit to the baseball game” experience was thought-provoking, but is only mentioned once and is never discussed or even contemplated again in the series, and she never does ANYTHING of any merit when interesting stuff happens (Yuki does most of the legwork).
    3. I have a couple friends that were sexually abused in their childhood and therefore, I found her repeated molestations of Mikuru incredibly tasteless and VERY hard to watch. What Haruhi does to Mikuru is NOT something a lovable tsundere would do, that’s something a convicted sex offender would do.
    4. She’s a cliché stock character! The excessively hyperactive and determined stock character has been done before and has been done a lot better (Luffy [One Piece], Tomo Takino [Azumanga Daioh], etc.).
    Why do people like Haruhi so much?! Note: I have not yet read the manga, so I am only criticizing the ANIME version of Haruhi Suzumiya. Overall, the seiyuus were good for the most part, the art of the series was pretty good, and the idea of the series is interesting, but I felt that Haruhi’s over-the-top tsundere personality and her freaking annoying cult following ruined the entire series for me. In short, the anime Haruhi no Yuutsu had potential, but turned out to be disappointing. :(

  32. DP says:

    The reason why people are over-hyped is since they have already read the novels. The first part is interesting, but what I don’t get is why you all say Haruhi hasn’t any char development. She has. Why don’t you watch ep 9 and find out.

    Or maybe, read the translated Light Novels at Baka-Tsuki. I’ll see you revise your statement, kimi-chwan.

  33. asddass says:

    I fail to understand how the “filler episodes” weren’t awesome. I mean the space fight? The rock song?

    But I guess that happens when you hate a character so much you need to ignore everything else. I actually have no problem witht hat.

    The only thing I find ridiculous is calling her a flat character, because she definitely is more complex and original than most character’s I’ve ever seen. And if you fail to see that, then maybe you should watch it again or, maybe, think about it a little.

    Clichè character? Don’t make me laugh. I’m assuming you skipped all the scenes where her actual view of the world was discussed between Kyon and Koizumi or even Haruhi herself.

    If you see nothing more than “Lol hyperactive girl molesting moe girl”, then you should perhaps go back to true moe shows. Do you even understand WHY she does that stuff?

    Of course, I’m speaking as a Haruhi fan, but don’t think I’m blinded by cute appearances and funny scenes. I know that she’s a horribly flawed character pretty well. In fact, that’s why I like her.

  34. yea wtf says:

    “Yes, finally – someone agrees with me. I absolutely DESPISE the concept of how the world basically revolves around that arrogant brat. Seriously, I couldn’t care less if the world exploded after anyone angers her. I would rather let the world perish than worship that, err, person. ”

    EXACTLY. Finally someone agrees with me. Haruhi is oh so special. Great. I didn’t find developement in character very compelling or interesting, and the problem is that it was hardly there. Haruhi is such a conceited protagonist, as fun loving and random as she is, she never really interested me. I’d rather watch FLCL for “random anime.”

  35. yea wtf says:

    “Yes, finally – someone agrees with me. I absolutely DESPISE the concept of how the world basically revolves around that arrogant brat. Seriously, I couldn’t care less if the world exploded after anyone angers her. I would rather let the world perish than worship that, err, person. ”

    EXACTLY. Finally someone agrees with me. Haruhi is oh so special. Great. I didn’t find developement in character very compelling or interesting, and the problem is that it was hardly there. Haruhi is such a conceited protagonist, as fun loving and random as she is, she never really interested me. I’d rather watch FLCL for “random anime.”

  36. meikyuu says:

    I agree with some of the comments above me. I like Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu, but sometimes Haruhi annoys the crap out of me with her arrogance, I don’t always understand why so many people like her, she’s not that likeable, and I feel bad for poor Mikuru. :|

  37. esdee says:

    yes, i think haruhi is a bit annoying and i thought she was funny and adorable at the first place– but it turned out that a title character can be a villain. oh well…

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I'd nominate Mario to do the devilman review as he's the most immediate Yuasa fan to do it and Bam is too awol to write it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The cute girl shows just bleed and blend in my mind now, same with the isekai shows.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Devilman, my show of the season, unless after the rain ends up having some emotional wallop.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So for me its looking like: Junji itou, Cardcaptor sakura, keeping up with sangatsu, wait and see on amegari . Not watching a time travel or trigger show and I remain unable to sit through Mahoutsukai .
Amagi
The story itself is generic so far but so are most Trigger series at the beginning so not sure. Maybe it will stay weak, but in general I prefer series that start with the weaker episodes and get better and better over time over the many series that use up all of their budget and trump cards in the first episode and drag on after that.
Amagi
I really love Trigger's esthetics and their characters. I am happy they're more often involved in non-trigger-only productions because I honestly think that most of the stuff I enjoyed about FranXX was heavily influenced by them.
SuperMario
@Nielo: Franxx's first ep was stellar for me. Storywise, it's lackluster (and I see the similar in tropes between this and Beatless) but production-wise it's excellent
SuperMario
I think I just keep watching it on a weekly basis. Still trippy as hell
SuperMario
Okay, I just watched second episode of Devilman Crybaby and it's still pretty good.
Nielo
By the way, what's up with Darling in the Franxx? I thought it's a very weak first episode.
Nielo
@Lenlo: Slice of life isn't my thing either, and I usually avoid series set in high school.
Nielo
@SuperMario: Takagi-san is cute, I'll admit that, but since I already read the manga it's not new to me. Sora Yori is good, but it's not particularly cute. I found Hakumei to Mikochi and Yuru Camp very boring. Haven't got the chance to watch Mitsuboshi Colors or Gakuen Babysisters but I don't think they could be more cute than Mii-kun.
SuperWooper
HOT TAKE: Genre is irrelevant. What matters is whether a show is good.
SuperMario
Don't knock off MY genre Lenlo. It's one of the reason I got into anime in the first place :)
Lenlo
Im not saying it doesn't do what it sets out to. I just don't think what it sets out to do is all that... great.
Lenlo
@Niello, Slice of Life was never my Genre in the first place :/ I typically avoid them. I have my own life to deal with and already graduated high school, why would I want to deal with a melodramatic anime highschool, is my line of thought.
SuperMario
@Niello: okay, let's see:Takagi-san (the titular character), Mitsuboshi Colors, Gakuen Babysisters (Toddlers!!), Hakumei to Milochi (tiny girls) and two more slightly more mature but equally cute: Sora Yori and Yuru Camp's casts
Nielllo
@SuperMario: I'm sure this is where our definition of "cute" parts way, but I'll ask anyway, what are those 5 shows?
SuperMario
@Niello: seems so because I can eaisily pick 5 more shows that are cuter, and better than Mummy this season ;)
Nielllo
...So I suppose I'm the only one who's kinda bored out by a lot of the slice of life shows that's trying to be cute this season and only perked up by the Mummy anime because it's actually do what it's meant to do and be legit cute.
Lenlo
I am interested in Koi, but still have concern about the relationship itself.

@Vonter, the mummy anime would be better as short vignettes together I feel.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Koi amegari is surprisingly tasteful, subdued and pretty.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*to where
Kaiser-Eoghan
Try as I might, my love of kyoani tv anime has largely evaporated did where I no longer want to bother at this stage, I'll just wait and see. I'll just stay quiet on the franxx anime, theres little value in me trying to get through a trigger work at this point.
SuperMario
I get the exact same feeling with Takagi-san. It's pretty good on what it does but 20 minutes of the same thing for a whole season doesn't sound that promising
Vonter
The chibi mummy anime
Vonter
It's a shame it isn't a shorter 10 or 5 minute series, I think that format would make it shine more, since it does what it's trying to do.
Amagi
Speaking of it, I liked the second episode of Kokkuko or whatever the name is even more than the first one.
Amagi
I really have a problem with all these shows that rely on one single thing, joke, shenanigan or whatever. Be it something cute, some certain kind of interactiong or whatever. It doesn't matter how good it is it will bore me with episode 2.
Lenlo
Like, yeah, the mummy was cute. But the cute became rote/bland really quick. There has to be more than "cute" to be worth watching for more than a single episode to me.
Lenlo
@Niello, I was harsh because its not aimed at me. I wanted to drop it 5 minutes in, kept up for the post, then was thankful it was over. There wasnt anything overtly bad about it. Its just there was nothing good either.
AidanAK47
To be fair it's not as if we are lacking cute in this season.
In fact it's in danger of inflation.
SuperMario
@Niello: yes, the mummy is cute, the show is cute but beside that it's pretty mediocre. That show in particular is the only show that I have the damnest time to give it a potential rating.
Niello
It's not even down because of legal reasons, since the site pull down contents that are lincensed. It's down cause it's too much for the site owner to manage. Much of it also have to do with too many bots, which comes back to how a lot of other sites are relying on batoto.
Niello
@Masky: Not enough manga titles are getting translated. Batoto is the site scanlation groups basically rely on, and where other aggregation sites pull their content from. No batoto no obscure titles, a big blow to small scantation groups and one big manga/scanlator community down.
Niello
Why are you guys so harsh on the mummy show? It's so darn cute. Give it some credit. If a comedy show can be good because it does comedy well I don't see why a show ike Mummy can't be good if it can make people go "aww".
Masky
I don't really know why that is the case, maybe marketing budget and UI friendliness when done right? :P
Masky
Eh, wouldn't say it will kill manga industry. I mean, more and more official methods of reading manga online is starting to pop up and legit channels to pay to get access to manga can surprisingly enough harm free channels to get manga.
Masky
Anyway, I do find it funny how how the isekai character dies can be so meaningless that is joke in most of them
Niello
Batoto is going down, how this affect the manga reading is going to be interesting. Hope it's not slowly dying.
Masky
(at least that one, besides forgetting to introduce what the heck is gimmick besides generickness, acknowledged how most of otaku mcs shouldn't erally want to get transferred to fantasy world since they never get to see how their favourite mangas end :P )
Masky
Anyhoo, it gets annoying since its not just isekai being cliche, sometimes is just them being kind of badly written(or at least adapted to manga). Like, I found one new isekai today, but I have no idea what its gimmick is(from what I understood, its that "cute companion" that character gets is hideously op because mc didn't spefy cute girl when he asked god manager dude for cute companion)
Masky
Slime one is one of better from the more generic ones weirdly enough :P I mean I still wouldn't call it good, but at least MC character isn't god tier, just top tier and it has sort of village building simulation feel to it. Plus at least naming things giving monsters more powers is something funny regarding jrpg mechanics
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or alternatively the car was on a boat with the character or parents in it and the boat and car were hit by a falling plane lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its always "car accident" that sends the characters to another world or in harem cases "Lost parents due to car crash", for christs sake doesn't anyone die in out of control plane or speedboat crashes anymore, at least make it a motorbike....
Nayrael
Ah sorry, should probably not have touched the colors...
Nayrael
Trust me, Isekai is better when it doesn't try to be imaginative. When it tries to be original then... Isekai with a Smartphone... Isekai where the MC turns into a Slime... and my favorite: Isekai where the MC became a Hot Spring popular with sexy girls.
Masky
Assuming "new" things can happen under the sun
Masky
Anyhoo, I do wonder what the heck will be next "popular genre trope that will become so overused cliche that everyone groans whenever show uses it even if its actually good show"
Masky
Like, seriously you could do really interesting story variant on isekai with that if done right. Suddenly becoming characters you have roleplayed would be trippy as hell espicially if one of characters went really into detail with backstory while one of them is just "Bob the fighter, he likes fighting" and has to deal with what happens when you assume life of such a person
Masky
But I wouldn't honestly be surprised because of my anger issues related to amount of unimaginative isekai :P Though I guess trpg based one would be more imaginative in comparison
Masky
I'd assume not since I assume tabletop rpgs are much more niche than jrpgs in japan
Masky
So has anyone yet done isekai where guys getting transferred were playing trpg? :P
KTravlos
quite happy with most recent Attack of Titan manga chapter.
SuperMario
Alright, one more impression post to go before we really get on to new season
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yep, I just fixed it. Thank you
Kaiser-Eoghan
*than just the reviewers names
Kaiser-Eoghan
A slight problem with the coding there in the newest impression, showing code gobbledeegook rather than the reviewers names above their impressions.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I'm seeing it on 2nd of February.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Late screeners generally leak shortly after the uk release, so maybe early Febbruary it'll be online?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yep, Phantom Thread. Could be Daniel Day Lewis's final performance. Is it available online already?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Did you know that Paul Thomas Anderso8n has a new film coming out? Also I found out there is a Polish semi-knockoff of purple rose of cairo.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Awesome, just got myself an invite to a secret private torrent site =)
K-Off
@Kaiser When I was in University, I was a waiter at a Korean-owned Japanese Sushi restaurant with a kitchen staff of entirely Mexicans with poor English. The owner, while he provided the rest of his staff with small meals during our lunch or dinner shifts, never game any to the kitchen staff. The guy even ranted to a customer about how "lazy" or "ignorant" they were.
K-Off
Buses are pretty common in America, even outside the major super-cities like LA, NYC, or Chicago. It's public rail you're thinking of that we don't have much of outside the cities.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I brought up the racisim/aunt story wondering if anyone had any horror stories about where they worked?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Bokusen: Buses don't seem to be a thing in America, meanwhile over here, despite traffic, public transport is much more of a thing, couldn't imagine not getting a train or bus somewhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi. I must say you changed my positive view of the German education system.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: And yet Austria gets the far right party in power and Israel also has a far right apartheid leader.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If any good came from it, her boss got banned from facebook .
Amagi
Two years ago the alt/new right hold a rally here since they're successful elsewhere with their anti-immigrant/PoC speeches. In the end it was 35 nazis vs 29.000 counter-demonstrators. The joke: when they had to leave with police protection they shouted "We are the people". Yes 35 hated bigots are surely the people, not the 29k. I laughed.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: That aunt story is pretty shit. I am kinda happy about smartphones nowadays, you can often make photos or record speech if you are witnessing something. Also, thank God the racists in my city are very rare since antifa and leftwingers took hold of it decades ago - now 70% of people are immigrants so racists don't even tend to show up anymore.
Nielllo
Great. I don't think most of what I wrote actually appeared in the chat.
Niello
what I'm going to do in the long run.
Niello
While Liberal art colleges are really good for developing writing and reading skills, the truth is in science classes you still don't do much of that. it's also limited by general lack of equipments that you get at bigger Uni. My college don't even have engineering.
Bokusen
@Kaiser Darn it, I hate it when racists try to justify their beliefs. That guy sounds like a major jerk!
Bokusen
@Niello Ah, yeah I think I might have preferred the UK system too if they give a month to study for exams! Wow...That sounds much nicer. Oh, and yeah, I wish the US had better public transport too... After seeing Japan's public transport system, I wish the US's could be more like it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The landlords love to kickout people through unfair prices a stick their friends in instead.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Since we're on careers, it reminds me, one of my aunts telling me what a bastard her boss was, guy was a racist, she complained about it then he got rid of all the evidence linking him to it and made it seem as if she was the rascist and humiliated her in front of her Arab friends.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think we all end up getting this huge kick in the ass moment where we learn andget it together.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It gets better thankfully, grew up and am happy with this postal clerk job.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The landlord story is a common one, they still think themselves feudal lords.
Amagi
And yeah, all this neet time. Although not moving out isn't that uncommon here anymore, considering how the rent increases, especially in my region (European bank city). And if I look at my friends it seems like they've the same problems. Even those who have found their dream jobs are otherwise living a nerdy life, going to pubs at night and so on. I think a part of us will always stay twenty.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: This "career" was exactly the same for me. I am pretty sure I wasn't even capable of thinking about my future up until, as you said, mid-twenties. There were just so many other things that interested/bothered me, school wasn't even among my top 30s or so.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Oh how I regret not getting into novels, noe my concentration is too shit to read them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually I don't think teenagers even really know who they themselves actually are .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Youth is wasted on the young.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember wasting so many chances to properly appreciate and get into certain things when I was younger too, when I actually had the time. We have no idea how to use it at that age.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The answer is down to the kid themselves wising up early and adults needing to find a way to REALLY motivate kids.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I hated being in that position, leeching off my parents/the state.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember as a teenager thinking watching films/anime/playing videogames with my friends/brother would last forever, then getting a dose of reality that everyone just moved on .
Kaiser-Eoghan
and between short contracts you spend months as a neet.
Kaiser-Eoghan
You just end up bouncing between go nowhere evening/day courses that are more about putting asses on seats than actually getting anyone anywhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
and then you find out you dossed off so much in school you can't get to grips with university.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wouldn't recommend anyone doing what I did in my teens and early 20s, dossing off all the time, then finding out you have to wait five years to go to college as mature student, your school results are middling and not job/college useful, end up taking forever to get to the stage where you can start building up temporary job experience because no one will hire you.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Heck, as a teenager I remember pretty much living in the moment, never even thought seriously about what I wanted to do, I don't think I even thought about that my adolescence would end, pretty much rushed through my homework and never studied, stayed up all night watching anime/reading manga and playing videogames allday.
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