Posted by psgels on 7 October 2008 with categories: Eve no Jikan



Short Synopsis: Rikuo suspects Sammi of lying to him and wants to get to the bottom of it.
Highlights: Rikuo is turning into a pretty interesting character.
Overall Enjoyment Value: 8/10
Okay, since I’m pretty much of the beta-sciences, I still have a bit of trouble trying to grasp the notion of real intelligence, as defined in this series. I mean, I fully believe that in the future, as long as the science advances, computers can be built with human consciousness and emotions. I however don’t think that this can just “appear” out of the blue, or as an accident. Why would someone design a cleaning-robot with human consciousness? Ergo Proxy solved this in a pretty interesting way, where it combined science fiction with fantasy by introducing a virus from higher-up that introduces self-consciousness for robots.

Just as I hoped, this episode shed a bit more light about how this could have happened in the first place. The TV-commercials and programs emphasized the evilness of Dori-kei. It’s being made ridiculous everywhere, as if someone high-ranked is desperately trying to give the robotic consciousness a bad name. I think it’s those mysterious people that appear at the end of the episode. I think that these robots originally were designed to really be like humans, and to act as companions, and just when these models were fully designed and produced, and acted just like humans, it turned out that this consciousness had a very nasty side-effect. This is why people who get too attached to robots are made ridiculous, to stop whatever nasty side-effect there is from getting out. I also think that Eve no Jikan is pretty much linked to this, in an attempt to resist these actions.

In the meantime, this episode did a pretty good job at fleshing out its characters. Rikuo turns out to be a closet Dori-kei, while his best friend Masaki seems to be turning into one of this series’ antagonists. It’s also quite fun to see the random people that decide to visit Eve no Jikan. It’s different in every episode, an din this way, it would have been pretty easy to make this series a 13-episode TV-series, simply by showing random visiters to the cafe, and it would also have allowed the setting to get a bit more airtime. Really, something tells me that the ending of this series is about to get rushed.

3 Responses

  1. hashihime says:

    Interesting comments. Do you mean that the people at the end are supporting the anti-dorikei pressure or opposing it? I guess Sugita Tomokazu’s character is their agent and followed the friend, who intended to follow him. I already hate the friend, lol. It appears that his father is an anti-dorikei bigwig.

    I think I would be more inclined to think that a normal anime series has too much filler than to think this show is going to rush the ending. We’ll see. Maybe things are about to get even more interesting.

    I am not a huge fan of Fukuyama Jun, but I think he’s doing a great job here.

  2. AlexS says:

    It’s funny to see you trying to come to grips about the need for robots to be designed with a “consciousness” or “intelligence”, whereas for me that uninteresting and I’m more looking forward to the interactions between humans and robots.

    But since you put such an effort on it, I’ll give you a good reason: commercial competition. Humans are social creatures, which crave for social contact. Hense a robot model capable to satisfy these cravings will be more comercially successful. That in doing so the companies produce “conscious” robots could be kind of unplanned.

    On issues of consciousness and free-will, I’m a fan of python’s duck typing: if it walks like a duck, and squeaks like a duck, then it’s a duck.

    If it’s advantageous to produce robots who seem conscious (ie: display a behavior we associate with consciousness), then they will be produced. And if they appear to be conscious, then it’s only a matter of time before they are declared conscious.

    Now I just hope the anime won’t go into the direction of an action/spy movie, I’m enjoying the slice of life aspect of it.

  3. Demex says:

    “I however don’t think that this can just “appear” out of the blue, or as an accident. ”

    Think about how much work needs to go into a robot to make it move, to make it understand human speech, to learn faces, understand commands, act on those commands, and learn from observing behavior. It would need to have a really complex AI that would be close to that of a child’s capability.

    Then think about with all the information it needs to learn that, over time, it slowly starts to make better and better decisions based on the needs of its environment around and it. The question really isn’t “Can they learn to think” as much as “will they one day think they can?” The question is can the loops and switches be slowly refined within the system?

    In time computers will slowly be able to predict what we are doing more and more. It will remember who you are and what you like and make educated guesses on what you want and sooner or later it will appear that it is sentient. How smart it will really become depends on the future…

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  • Bam
    (Friday, Mar 6. 2015 12:03 AM)
    I agree that there are loose threads in Evangelion that were probably never fully developed by the committee, and a lot of symbolism (primarily Christian) that were only there for flare and edginess. But everything I say is backed up by the information available in the material or straight from the infodumps. If you see the Eva proposal to TXN (Tokyo TV) you can see that everything, and so much more actually, was planned from the beginning; albeit some stuff did change when Anno lost his mind.
  • Bam
    (Thursday, Mar 5. 2015 11:58 PM)
    The alpha strike was to infiltrate Central Dogma and take command and eliminate everyone inside. Seele is not really a sentimental type, if you hadn’t notice, so a ouple of hundred casualties before everyone turns to goop is pretty inconsequential.
  • Bam
    (Thursday, Mar 5. 2015 11:56 PM)
    @Aidan: Gendo is one of the few at NERV (if not the only one) who knows about the scrolls and the truth behind the Evas, and keep in mind Shinji is primarily piloting 01 just to get his acceptance; so he was certainly needed. Plus in the original series you need an intermediate vessel to connect thru an entry plug (Shinji and Asukas, moms) so not any kid will do. This is before the dummy plug and Toji mind you.
  • AidanAK47
    (Thursday, Mar 5. 2015 11:50 PM)
    There is being obtuse and indirect. And then there’s just being plain nonsensical. I don’t want to spell out everything but I hate to see people tie thin threads together and act like it was some great master-plan when it could just as well have been a guy just throwing any random shit together that he could think of. Ikuhara for one got away with that bullshit far too often.
  • AidanAK47
    (Thursday, Mar 5. 2015 11:45 PM)
    @Bam, And why was alpha strike necessary? If the goal is to destroy the evas and such then why not do as I suggested. Remove Gendo. Then it would be a piece of cake. And killing everyone just seems excessive and really unnecessary.
    Pretty sure anyone in Shinji’s class was suitable to be an evangelion pilot. And alright, shinji’s connection to the Eva is a reason to keep him in. But Gendo…not so much. He doesn’t influence it in any real way personally.
  • Bam
    (Thursday, Mar 5. 2015 11:28 PM)
    I actually really enjoy Evangelion for being obtuse and indirect. Not spelling everything out is part of the show’s charm and legacy. Now Eva has spawned numerous anime which do this wrong (looking at you Darker Than Black) but that isn’t really their fault. If you want something simple and basic go watch the endless supply of Nisio Isin’s stuff with neverending exposition and deafening verbosity.
  • Bam
    (Thursday, Mar 5. 2015 11:20 PM)
    I don’t think Kaworu needs much characterization. He’s the 1st and 13th angel who took human form since the DNA of one of Dr. Katsuragi’s team was fused with parts of Adam on the day of the 2nd impact. He’s basically the alien who finds sympathy for humans and ends up sacrificing himself for them. This is almost the same as in Rebuild and the manga, albeit he’s sexuality is much more clearer and is used more extensively for tension relief in the manga portrayal.
  • Bam
    (Thursday, Mar 5. 2015 10:49 PM)
    Keel Lorenz needed Gendo as his connection to Eva-01 (which is outfitted with Yui Ikari’s soul) and Shinji is crucial to the third impact. You want Shinji to reach maximum desperation in order to achieve synchronization. And if you pay attention you get why Seele couldn’t use their own pilots, as they needed the kids from the Gehrin project.
  • Bam
    (Thursday, Mar 5. 2015 10:46 PM)
    *their
  • Bam
    (Thursday, Mar 5. 2015 10:44 PM)
    What Seele does in EoE (or respectively ep25-26) is known as Alpha Strike. They take down the entirety of the apparatus that has the only chance to hinder the their plan, as they role is completed by that point.

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