Posted by psgels on 5 February 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Bonen no Xamdou


Bones’ latest series is one full of ambition. Aired on the PS3-network, Bonen no Xamdou tells the epic story of a war between two warring countries, centred around a bunch of different main characters and some of the most amazing production values. While not everything went well for this series, and it’s got quite some big flaws here and there, it gets so many points for trying.

What makes this series so awesome is how it prefers natural progression of story-lines above forced climaxes, especially in the first three quarters of the series. Instead of focusing on battle after battle, the creators let everything flow very smoothly, with especially care to flesh out the world that this series takes place in. Akiyuki, the lead character, while he’s a typical teenager at the beginning of the series soon grows into someone as far from your average lead character as you can get. While the story focuses on him, he hardly ever stands in the centre of attention, and instead various of the side characters get to play the hero-part.

This allows for a unique storyline with a fantastic attention to detail that’s the closest to the levels of Seirei no Moribito that I’ve seen so far. The characters also live in a very imaginative world that’s very interesting to explore, with lots of new concepts and ideas. Things like Hirukos, Humanforms and Xam’ds are nice takes on the usual superpowers and super-weapons that you usually see.

The problem, however, is that even though this series is an incredibly solid one, it’s also a series that bit off a bit more than it could chew. The 26 episodes are way too short in order to fully develop everything that’s in this show, and the results of this start showing up in the final quarter of this series. It features the one big climax after the other, but when you look at the big picture it just feels lacking and incomplete because the different settings and characters couldn’t be fully developed. As a result, characters pull random powers and plot twists out of nowhere and big deaths that would make lots of emotional impact with the right amount of development and foreshadowing simply feel like they could have been done better.

In terms of production values, however, this series is really as good as it can possibly get, especially for such a relatively long series. Because the series originally wasn’t aired on local TV, it didn’t have to spend a lot of money on the broadcasting rights, and all of this excess money was put into the series’ animation, with some absolutely gorgeous results. The animation is consistently through 26 episodes of top-notch HD quality, characters are very expressive and every single one of the many action scenes are simply godly animated.

So overall, there’s plenty of great stuff left in this series, but at the same time I’m also a bit bitter: if it had simply gotten more episodes, this really could have been a contender for the best series of the year, possibly the decade. It would have been truly outstanding in every aspect, while right now it’s simply a well written but incomplete series that has a rushed finale.

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 10/10
Setting: 8/10

14 Responses

  1. Denizen says:

    I think this review nails this series. It’s a great series in its own, but the opportunities it lost are criminal.

    Considering Bones’s Rainbow in the Pocket features Eureka Seven’s characters and concepts in a different setting, it would be nice to see the world of Xam’d recreated in a different story, I think it could really shine given a different direction and composition.

  2. Jarmel says:

    The rushed finale is the one thing I saw coming,I’m only on ep.22 but probably will catch up later today. This really should have been 50 episodes probably just because they took too slow of a pace on certain episodes and took some unnecessary routes that really didn’t add anything to the story. Maybe if they had a tighter director this could have worked alot better.

  3. Ale says:

    I mostly agree with your assessment.

    The show does a lot of great things, but it falters in some areas. Still it deserves recognition for its amazing production quality and its ambition. I’ll take a dozen flawed yet interesting series like Xam’d over most of the other stuff that gets released these days.

  4. hashi says:

    Great review. “Nails it” is right. The negatives shouldn’t take anything away from one of the best series of 2008.

    I think Sanpei Yuuko’s voice performance as Nakiami was one of the very best of 2008, too. In fact, if she’s a main character, she and her pal Koshimizu Ami (Horo in Spice & Wolf) had the two best performances of the year, in my opinion. If she’s a supporting character, I think I’d now give it to her over even Sawashiro Miyuki, Horie Yui, and Toyoguchi Megumi. Yuuyu just gets better and better.

  5. TR says:

    “Because the series originally wasn’t aired on local TV, it didn’t have to spend a lot of money on the broadcasting rights”

    Question: Do content producers in Japan pay broadcasters to have their shows aired? If so, that’s pretty much the complete opposite of how things work just about everywhere else, where content producers are paid by the broadcasters for the ‘rights’ to air the program (broadcasters making their money from advertising on air and any additional distribution channels they license)

  6. psgels psgels says:

    TR: Yeah, Japan has a pretty strange system in that regard. You really need to pay the broadcasting channels if you want to be able to air something, which is the complete opposite of the rest of the world.

  7. Mihan says:

    I’m an avid reader of your blog and after seeing you rate this series pretty high I just had to see it (I downloaded it, I’m guilty sorry!). Anyways I too did find the last quarter or so rushed compared to the first part. I know this anime doesn’t spell everything out for you so you can imagine some things yourself but the last few concepts really just flew by me. I kind of lost track of the big purpose of it all. Good review!

  8. Tiny says:

    I disagree strongly with your opinion. This is a 60/100 show at best.

    I like action when it’s done well. I like happy endings, especially when they are well deserved. Xamdou succeeds extremely well in the animation, action and music departments, but when it comes to its story and characters, it falls completely flat — the entire storyline is actually a half-baked interpretation of Nausicaa’s main theme of the value of struggling against inevitability.

    Those who’ve read Miyazaki’s manga would know what I mean. Watching Ep26, I couldn’t help wincing at how badly Xamdou’s writers misunderstand the very concepts that they are trying to portray. And that detracts tremendously from my viewing pleasure. Ultimately, Xamdou’s story makes very little sense, in terms of character motivations and plot development.

    If you think differently, try explaining why Nakiami and Sannova made the decisions that they did. Try examining the logic behind Sannova’s “religion”. In the end, what are the writers trying to say? That nihilism is good? That it’s something to struggle against? How so?

    They’ve tried to cast Nakiami into a messianic role, similar to Neo in Matrix Revolutions, but failed to build up her motivations effectively. Her actions, in the end, just don’t add up. Hence this hollow feeling despite a gloriously animated ending.

  9. Reiter says:

    I completely agree with you on this one. Xamdou is a definitely a gorgeous looking series and I like how the side characters often take center stage, but felt the writers kind of wrote themselves into a corner at the very finale. The pacing of the show could have been a bit tighter in the middle (especially when Akiyuki lost his self-identity by sprouting his mask, and Haru’s back-and-forth indecisiveness), but overall the initial execution was excellent but the final culmination left me scratching my head at the end.

    The similarities to Nausicaa are definitely there, and I feel the original Miyazaki classic does in its shorter feature length runtime a much better job of getting its main message of sacrifice and world preservation across than Xamdou. Still, BnX scores lots of points for its animation, music (I have to find the soundtrack for this), and character development (I especially liked Akiyuki’s parents, they were so believable when most other anime parents are kinda footnotes).

    But the show does leave you with the sense of what could have been, not to mention wanting more. Especially considering they flash forward 9 years in the future and we get to see shots of an older Yango and other characters all grown up. If they had stretched the show out to maybe another 10 episodes, it would have been a certifiable hit, instead of just pretty good.

  10. chounokoe says:

    I don’t know but I absolutely loved the ending of the series and the final 2 episodes saved the series for me, because it really seemed to go into the direction of ‘Just let it end’.

    Of course everything was kinda crammed into episode 25, explaining all of Sannova’s motivations (I don’t even know if I would have understood it if I had to rely on the subs) and basically everything that caused the events of the series in about 10 minutes.

    I haven’t read the manga, but because it started half a year after the series began airing I still understand it as something complementary to the series and not it’s origin.

  11. billish says:

    just finished this series: if someone doesnt mind explaining why exactly Akiyuki shows up in the last scene? It didn’t make any sense at all, though I certainly didn’t lose any sleep super-analysing.
    Other than that randomness in the end, I loved this series. The quality of animation drew me in and I must admit I enjoyed the pacing the characters and the story individually and as a whole. The few beefs I have involve the ending of Akiyuki’s storyline; like i said earlier it just didnt make sense to me.
    I also enjoyed your review, psgels, I relate more to this review than many of your others.

  12. billish says:

    I’ll also thank you psgels: I certainly wouldnt have found this series without re-reading one of your earlier FMA: Brotherhood posts (episode 52?) in which you cited Xam’ds animation quality.

  13. Arno says:

    This show is both a success and a failure.

    It has impressive graphics, music, geography, adventure.

    The bad is the transformations. In order to build a story, objects and characters need to have definite properties. If the nature of everything is to mutate, then there is no story anymore.

    All the characters might as well have stayed home because they looked powerless against the transformations throughout, and the transformations didn’t seem to particularly care about the story.

    This examplifies a certain trend from Bone to produce great graphics with weak story lines, or even a tendency to sacrifice plots just in order to insert gorgeous graphics.

  14. Jedman says:

    I agree with some of the other people that commented here, I really tried to like this show, it had some good moments, but a lot of moments that left me thinking ‘what the hell’ I felt that overall the story really didn’t make much sense, to many things were not explained, what actually are human forms, hirukos and xamds? why is there a war between the north and south, what was the hiroken emperor, what was sanova trying to acomplish, nothing was really explained. While some of the characters were believable and consistent like Haru and Nakiami, others I felt were inconsistent and not very well developed and I couldn’t really understand what their motivations were at all. Towards the end I pretty much gave up on this show and just wanted it to end. I wouldn’t recommended it to anyone, felt like a waste of time overall.

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@Supermario ah, I'd say I'm the opposite in that I sometimes don't know why I like something so much, and when I read a review about it I can relate my own experiences and put it in my own words pretty well. Can thank Highschool eco for that
SuperMario
But to tell you guys the truth, I never think that I'm cut out as a reviewer (even now), because I'm a type of viewer who more perceive (I know why I like/ don't like stuffs) than express (just can't never explain stuffs well)
SuperMario
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that's exactly how I write my reviews anyways
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I cant imagine writing a review, id just repeat myself with different words but the same intended meaning over and over again
AidanAK47
Wonder if I should write a review of this. Might be hard without giving too much away.
AidanAK47
(Finishes Sweetest monster Visual novel)
.....well....fuck.
(Buys all authors visual novels on steam.)
Lenlo
Sadly, I doubt Nioh will get a PC port. Sony is pretty stingy on their exclusives, like Bloodborne. But I am so very happy with Nioh. I love technical combat like this
Kaiser Eoghan
I suppose this means I'm looking into this rpg maker game thing now isn't it? Might aswell.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the word animerican used to describe things like avatar last airbender. Filthy word =P
Anonymous853606
God no. Jiro Taniguchi died.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I have been hearing very good things about Nioh. Really hoping it gets a PC port.
@Topgavin, No real surprises there.
Topgavin
I'm sure most of you have heard, but looks like New Game is getting a season 2 out of all things. Apparently they had good sales, and I can certainly see why. CGDCT with yuri undertones and clean animation is hard to get wrong, let alone not sell.
Lenlo
Just started with Nioh, and oh my goodness do I love it.
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AidanAK47
Thought that's because the term American Anime just feels wrong to me on all levels.
AidanAK47
@Anon, they do not. They are cartoons.
Anonymous852775
DO people call D.C. Comics animated movies American anime?
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am certainly interested in seeing the next episode. Those minisodes were pretty good too. One thing I thought the writting faltered on though was the comedy. It really was a little too slapstick considering how serious the drama was.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: ah remind me the time I went to Texas (Corpus Christy) before X-mas time and I was wearing short pants and thongs (nice!!!), then went all the way up to Niagara Falls and I was almost freezing there.
Lenlo
See, I love winter, but its almost non-existent in Texas
Anonymous852268
@Aidan: I agree. I loved To the Moon. It's so good seeing emotional drama that isn't centered around high-school kids. Seeing the ups and downs of a whole long life of a person gives everything that happens way more impact.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: An Australian friend put it as "A sunbaked rock in summer, a giant zoo, that actively tries to kill its population"
SuperMario
Not that I'm enjoying the winter either. Why autumn always go so fast?
SuperMario
Believe me but summer here is way too much. When it's too hot and dry it starts bushfiring really badly. And it's too hot that even a big fan straight in front of you don't do you any good
Kaiser Eoghan
What is this mysterious creature known as summer you refer to? =P My country is grey as a black and white film =P
SuperMario
I'm wondering how freezing you guys have to endure right now, but the place I came today in Aussie just reached 50 degree celsius this noon. So hot I felt myself burning
Lenlo
I think the part I liked the most, was just how satisfying those mud splatter sounds were. I dont know why, but its in my head
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki 6 subs came out at 11pm PST.
Lenlo
Atleast Rakugo didnt get held up. Still amazing as ever
AidanAK47
Well I spent my time waiting for it to come out by playing and finishing To the Moon. Got to say, it takes some real skill to make a game in RPGmaker that can make you really feel something. But maybe I am just a sucker for this kind of story.
SuperMario
Hey, I would be very frustrating if Hand shakers got delayed. But I agree this delay is caused by Being X. And Scum's Wish, haizzz, this is the show we love to get pissed at. Haha
Anonymous850298
I blame Being X.
AidanAK47
Sigh, Youjo Senki 6 is delayed. Why is it always the best shows that get delayed? If an episode of hand Shakers was delayed no one would give a crap but nope. Gotta be the show you want to watch right away.
AidanAK47
@Anon, in both anime and manga I never liked that character much.
Anonymous849783
Meh, dropped Masamune-kun. Seriously why do they always have to shove in these one dimensional characters with a crush out of f* nowhere. It never made any of these shows more interesting, it's always the opposite.
Vonter
@Kaiser Eoghan - I find it weird having the teacher being so unashamedly evil. In a way I like that, but at the same time I can't relate to the notion of people like that existing IRL.
Kaiser Eoghan
As I continue to watch scums wish, it becomes an anger inducing as much as it is engrossing experience.
AidanAK47
Or the UBW movie over the TV series. You just don't do that.
AidanAK47
That's like recommending someone to watch NGE death and rebirth instead of the TV series.
Kaiser Eoghan
Meh, I just got fed up with the padding in the tv version.
AidanAK47
Jojo has the kind of entertainment that clicks with you or doesn't so I understand if you didn't get into it. Though to give it a fair chance I would recommend trying the first episodes of Battle Tendency. It starts at episode 10 of the first season, you can jump to it. If that doesn't catch you then Jojos really isn't for you.
AidanAK47
Don't listen to Kaiser. The OVA is bad.
Kaiser Eoghan
....found out where a friend had been off to lately, making a movie and he ended up actually making and finishing and I got first dibs. Had a hard time commenting on it as I know the guy personally.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Totally with you on the academy thing.
@Lenlo: If you ever try jojo again and get onto part three go for the ova instead as it trims down an overly bloated arc.
Lenlo
For JoJos, I couldnt get through the first season. It just didnt hook me
Lenlo
What I dont understand is how anything other than Mob Psycho won best animation, cause my god.
Lenlo
I think Erased lost not because of the libido, but because Yuri was "gay" and "progressive" and most important of all, recent. Yuri had just finished airing so it was stuck in everyones heads. Of course it was going to win everything
AidanAK47
Erased truly deserved to win that category and it only lost because people voted with their libido instead of their head.
AidanAK47
If there's one thing that really makes me angry about these awards it's Yuri on Ice winning most heartwarming moment for "The Kiss". Because A) It wasn't a fucking kiss and B) Even if it was that isn't heartwarming. Oh I am sure something is getting warm but it sure as hell isn't your heart.
AidanAK47
Likely the main reason Kira didn't win main villain because Jojo has grown to a episode count which makes people hesitant to pick it up. Not to mention many would lose interest by Stardust crusaders midpoint.
AidanAK47
When it comes to judging quality you have to leave it to the people who have experienced enough of the medium to truly be able to critical judge it. Pretty darn sure most who voted didn't even bother watching everything worthwhile each season and just gravitated towards whatever they were exposed to.
AidanAK47
Lets not forget someone voting multiple times and bot voting. Because yes, people really do that. As you two pointed out, a public vote was never truly going to be a accurate gauge of quality. For you are not only opening the vote to anime lovers but also newbies and those who simply haven't refined their tastes yet.
SuperMario
so they either abstained their votes (which actually was reasonable); voted for something popular or even voted based on what their kids liked the most (which was flat out unforgivable).
SuperMario
This from my own frustration mostly when it comes to awards like this. But I've been following the Academy Awards for way too long now and every now and then you heard something that really disheartened about their voting process. Like for example many of the Academy members admitted that they don't care to watch anything animated because... it's kiddy stuff
SuperMario
TL;DR: my point is I have mixed feeling about the whole Crunchyroll awards. One more thing that I noticed about the nomination is that the pool was dominated by shows from the first half of last year.
Lenlo
I dont think public voting is the way to go is the thing. Popularity contests are horrible. With popularity contests moe is going to be near the top every time, while shows like Rakugo never really have a chance. And I think there is little doubt that Rakugo was one of the best shows last season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: there is an issue with the first thou, because reviewers like us don't actually represent the whole public opinions. So it's all come down to the very reason they create an award in a 1st place (your second point). But with voting we can't really reason why the winners win the trophy, right?
Lenlo
The problem with awards like that is for them to mean anything they need 2 things. 1) A board of voters who are actual reviewers who have watched a large portion of what was on shelf that season. 2) Reasons for why each thing won its award. An award without reasons means nothing
SuperMario
Other issue about voting for these awards is that the nominating body and the voting body aren't always the same. Usually the voting body is broader and more generic in taste, so I'm not at all surprised when shows like Rakugo couldn't win. Too art-house for their liking. Well, at least it got nominated which for me is good enough.
SuperMario
That's the thing. When it comes to awards, they are more 'popularity' contest than actual quality, since people tend to vote for the safer choice (the one that are both popular and mildly critical success), YOI fits the bill here.
Lenlo
Those awards were not the best and little more then a popularity contest imo.
SuperMario
Actually with that line-up I had no problems with YOI taking the top spot
SuperMario
I actually forgot about the Crunchyroll Anime Awards so I came to check the winner. Guess which show won AOTY huh? Alright, at least it wasn't Kabaneri or Jokers Game
Kaiser Eoghan
But the best one was Mask of Phantasm.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: And return of the joker also.
Kaiser Eoghan
It has aged admittedly very poorly, but I always got a great kick out of that old 1994 spiderman cartoon.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I think its fair to use the term K-anime or C-anime for the Korean and Chinese influenced stuff, or maybe just anime would be just as appropriate. If some Argentinian guy can write/draw a manga for a Japanese manga magazine (big comic superior thats the magazines name) and have it actually be called a manga, it should be the same for China/Korea.
Lenlo
Mhmm. Marvel had the movies, but DC had the animated series
AidanAK47
Man, I loved the villains of Batman Beyond. Inque and Shriek had such interesting powers. The DC animated shows tended to be the one that didn't treat you like a kid while watching.
Lenlo
Well, they released a trailer for Samurai Jack S5, so its coming. Batman Beyond I also enjoyed
AidanAK47
Ah Samurai Jack. Wonder how that Adult swim revival is going? Batman the Animated Series as well didn't need Batman to crack off jokes every minute to be great.
Lenlo
Agreed. Samurai Jack was one of my favorite cartoons for that very reason. It ran the gamut of genres, each episode being something different.
Also I used Nichijou cause it was the first to come to my mind as a "Kids Show", though Love-Ru works as well
AidanAK47
One thing I think Cartoons could do to move away from the stigma of being for kids is having more genres than Comedy and Action adventure. Or at least stop putting comedy in everything.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Every fanbase has it's fanatics. There are idiots everywhere.
@Lenlo, I thought this might come up though I was expecting more of "placing Berserk and To Love-Ru in the same category" thing. Honestly I don't have a rebuttal for that. What is an isn't anime is really a matter of what anime is to you.
Lenlo
Now Aidan, you say putting Berserk and Scoopy doo in the same category is wrong, but what about Berserk and say.. Nichijou? A similar problem comes up and I think thats more to do with Berserk being a pretty major outlier (And I love it for being so. Have all the original Dark Horse volumes on my shelf)
Lenlo
Really though, reading Reddit arguments about it is so much fun.
Lenlo
I do think that recently, a number of shows have been trying to move cartoon, and animation in general in the west, away from meaning "For Kids".
Lenlo
Im not sure sure about that Anon, look at the Steven Universe and MLP fanbases.
Anonymous840067
Aidan, that isn't true... Anime has a 'special' name because it's fan base is a lot more fanatical than the cartoon fan base.
AidanAK47
Though I think the whole "Its not for kids" is the main push. Looking at my anime collection the majority is rated 15 with a few 12s. It's like the way you have Young Adult and mature, Comic books and graphic novels, or Visual novels and Eroge. They are essentially the same thing but appeal to different audiences.
AidanAK47
Though I think what really pushes this argument is that the term anime at least has a badge of honor. You don't see people demanding a show to be called a cartoon.
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