Posted by psgels on 14 February 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews



So even though it seems that the new FMA-series to air this April is going to be a remake rather than a continuation (do correct me if I’m wrong; I’d hate to spread false rumours like this), I might as well watch the movie that concluded the original series. And really, I do hope that the new series is going to be better than this… thing.

God, the amount of plot-holes in this movie is nearly unbelievable. The original series may have had its share of eye-brow raising plot twists, but it was never as bad as here. Characters just happen to meet each other for the sake of the new plot, there’s hardly any time spent on explaining what the heck is going on, the creators pull random powers out of thin air, characters start acting either incredibly stupid or out of character in order to push the plot in the “right” direction, and this happens throughout the entire movie!

The new characters aren’t fleshed out at all. The old ones all have changed a bit from their characters in the TV-series, but instead of becoming more dynamic they’ve all turned into useless stereotypes. Especially Colonel Mustang has turned bad. But nearly every time a character experiences heavy emotions the drama just becomes emo and laughable.

All of it is filled with the most improbable physics ever. Ed can leap up hundreds of meters from a flying plane and just crawl up without a scratch. In a world where people have invented guns, rockets and even atom bombs, people still walk around in medieval armors (strangely enough, all of them seem to become zombies when they do so).

And then the graphics. They are serviceable for your average TV-Series, but this is a MOVIE we’re talking about. It’s a continuation of one of the biggest commercial successes in anime outside of Ghibli. You’d expect the creators to receive a huge budget for it, but I can’t remember any place where I was really impressed by the animation of this thing. Heck, the CG in this movie is downright crap at times , of the level of your average Trans-Arts CG-Horse.

This really is typical of Bad Bones. They come with premises that are destined for greatness, but along the way shoddy execution just turns them into lackluster caricatures that could have been so much better. The second season in April has a lot to make up for after this mess.

Storytelling: 4/10
Characters: 4/10
Production-Values: 7/10
Setting: 5/10

25 Responses

  1. senerikfred says:

    I recall warning you, but the score still surprised me.
    The previews I’ve seen for the new series all had lackluster animation, so I’ve had my doubts about how seriously Bones is taking it. However, translations of interviews confirm it as a remake much closer to the manga, and the staff who answered questions all seem to be big fans, so there’s at least no lack in enthusiasm there

  2. Mackreki says:

    Of course the animation for the new season looks bad . Judging it now would be akin to someone commenting on how bad a movies cg is , 6 months before release .

    They only have the prep work done for the new season . The process of animation has multiple layers , and with months to go before release , they are still early in the process.

  3. da_man says:

    i won’t go into detail saying what’s wrong with your review, but please. the animation bad? do you really know what good animation is? the animation is fluid all-around, million times better than the tv series, there are no spectacular scenes, but overall the movie looks great.
    i agree that the story is a bit lacking, but a 5/10? please, you’ve given much worce crap far better grades.
    it seems to me that you have this need to bash popular series, especially fma, just to spite the fanboys (who i don’t like myself), and to prove your superior taste, meaning you see flaws that “ordinary” people can’t and that really hurts your reviews.
    one can see that you take pride in your taste being different than the others by looking at your top ten (which has some really nice shows, some of which i adore), where there doesn’t seem to be any popular shows. one might think that you do that one purpose, just to make yourself look like someone who knows better than the rest, and has a special, unique taste, which is a load of bull, if you ask me, one of the main traits of pseudointellectuals. well, to each his own, but it’s funny how some people just can’t understand that something popular can also be good, and the keep praising shows fewer people know of just to look smarter or whatever. kind of like hipster with music.
    are you a hipster, psgels?

  4. Westlo says:

    You need to stop talking about animation, you have no idea period. If not noticing the difference between Munto OVA 1 (Eps 1-3) and OVA 2 (eps 4-6) didn’t clue people in on that than calling the FMA Movie animation level serviceable for tv should.

  5. Mackreki says:

    You can’t hate on the blogger because they said the movie animaton was sub-par . There are many circumstances that could lead them to that opinion .

    If the blogger has seen the regular anime , then it makes sense . The movies animation was far from great in comparison to the original series . Some of the movie looked very good , but a lot of the animation and cg from the movie wasn’t fluid . The characters also had a much more rough feeling to them .

    If the blogger didn’t see the original series , then i would have to agree that they shouldn’t of made the comments. The movie had a large budget , and looked as good as most other anime movies not named Steamboy , but it still didn’t look nearly as good as the original series .

  6. psgels psgels says:

    Westlo: I know that I’m not the biggest expert on animation by far, but I really don’t hope that those CG armors in this movie are considered state of the art and the best that animation can deliver these days. The point I tried to make was that things like these shouldn’t be there in such a big-budgetted movie as this one.

    da_man: I didn’t write a bad review of this movie in order to be different, in order to “bash the popular shows”, be a hipster, act as a pseudointellectual, or any of that stuff. I simply didn’t like it, and I’m not going to lie about it to please the crowd. I do agree that my taste is strange, but I don’t make this taste strange just to stand out; it just is. Of course I could pretend that my favourites are series as Haruhi, Gurren Lagann and Full Metal Alchemist are the best things since sliced bread, and hype them at every single occasion, but what’s the point of that if I personally don’t agree with these things?

  7. Kurisu says:

    psgels: If you don’t like it, don’t watch it!
    da_man: If you don’t like it, don’t read it!
    psgels: If you don’t like it, don’t read it!

    If you don’t like my comment, don’t read it!

  8. ty says:

    This is what happens when you start making up your own stuff, the movie and the last couple of episodes from the coup d’etat on was made up by the studio. Thereby producing this giant traumatizing wreck.
    The new one will be a remake totally based on the manga. No more creating or adding in your own stuff.

  9. senerikfred says:

    @ty: ‘Making up your own stuff’ isn’t really something you should go criticizing-seeing as that’s where all totally original works come from in the first place. Arakawa actually encouraged Bones to do their own thing-in an interview, she said ‘ideas should be expressed differently through different mediums,’ and she even seems to really appreciate that they took her premise somewhere else with totally different themes. Even regarding the remake/manga adaptation, she specifically said she wanted everyone to enjoy what changes were made.
    I don’t know how the new series itself will turn out, but after FMA, Bones themselves managed to make serious improvements in the TV adaptations of Angelic Layer and DtB(correct me if the anime came first, but even so, all the better use of creativity on a generic premise)-both of which sucked in the first place, but that Bones used the premises of. It’s actually kind of sad that they didn’t try to do the same with Soul Eater, because they really could’ve and SHOULD’VE added a lot more content, and put more into the setting. Whereas they’ve mostly followed the manga up until recently, and now that it’s good, it makes you wonder what even happened in 20-30 of the previous episodes.
    And BTW, changes were made in the first anime from way early on, and they totally left off from the manga halfway through, so they’re deserving of at least a little more credit than you’re giving.

  10. GGear0323 says:

    the movie itself was interesting in how it depicted a historical event ie the failed coup by the Nazi party and Hitler in 1923. it stayed pretty accurate to what happened in this respect. yeah, you can bash the movie for being all over the place in terms of character interactions and powers and whatnot, but i dont think you can hate on the animation. once they get the style down (the style was established in the anime and it carries over) you can really only look at the fluidity of the animation which is pretty good. yeah the cg armor was iffy but wasnt crude. so overall, i would go as low as 50/100, but i would be hard pressed to go above 65-68/100. it was OK but didnt have what made the anime exciting. it was missing something.

  11. GGear0323 says:

    as for the anime, yeah, they actually started deviating way early on. but what do you expect, the manga wasnt even close to done, they had to come up with something that they could end on their own. hell, even with the new anime coming up soon, the manga still isnt done, though it is pretty close.

  12. Kim says:

    Although I am not sure if I would give the movie as low of a score I was also incredibly disappointed in the movie. I was fine with the ending of the original anime series. It ended on a sad note with the brothers separated but it left you with hope. The movie ruined this all. Instead of developing the oriiginal characters further the series added in new characters: both good and bad and they all were uninteresting to me. And while some historical events were accurate, a lot of it was complete nonsense. They even changed the gender of certain historical characters (the main female villain for one). Though I have to admit I thought production wise the series looked rather nice.

    The new series is supposedly going to follow the original manga. Although I know some will disagree for me the manga is vastly superior to the first anime series. The manga just has better developed plot, world and characters so I am hoping this new anime will capture how great the manga is (even though I sort of feel this new series is unnecessary)

  13. Loki the Liar says:

    Absolutely precise description of this movie. Good work, psgels.

  14. Denizen says:

    I think your standards can always be a bit too high for TV series-related movies.

    I enjoyed Rebuild of Evangelion, and the FMA movie whilst not mindblowingly awesome, was good, and where the animation mattered it was top quality (Gluttony and Wrathe especially)

    Speaking of movies, I badly want to see the Eureka Seven remake, but it will be a year at least before that’s available.

  15. ancalyme says:

    The plot/characters were slightly less annoying back when I watched this raw (but before I could understand any japanese dialogue) and when I was hugely hyped from the TV series. But looking back, I agree with you. The animation bothered me too. To me, it was just an excuse to showcase as many characters as possible while keeping the semblance of a plot.

    I’m worried about the new TV series (which, imho, shouldn’t even exist)… it feels too much like milking the cash cow to produce anything good.

    [Yay, I could finally reply! :D Your blog has some bug that doesn’t accept comments from Opera – is this common?]

  16. psgels psgels says:

    ancalyme: strangely, this is the first time I’ve heard about commenting problems with Opera. Did the bug magically fix itself, or did you post that comment through a different web browser?

  17. ancalyme says:

    I’m posting from a different computer, from Firefox :/ I couldn’t post from this computer back when it ran with Opera either.

  18. Eonir says:

    Thank you for convincing me it’s just a waste of the producers’ money and our time.

    Man, I sure am happy we don’t need to buy every single thing we want to review…you’d lose a fortune on shit.

  19. psgels psgels says:

    Oh, wait. I now remember that I’ve had similar problems a few months ago. Unfortunately, when I posted this problem on the Blogsome support forums, the support crew didn’t have a copy of Opera to verify the problem and at the moment I really don’t have a clue on how to solve the problem. Perhaps you could install firefox on your home computer, but that’s not really ideal either.

  20. Silver says:

    The animation was alright to me. I did not pay attention to much to it. However, I hated the plot for the movie. Can’t really say anything else.

  21. I don’t agree to everything you mentioned (FMA was my number one anime before Baccano and Hetalia came to my life) but . . .well, opinions differ ^^; as simple as that.

    Some commentors have been harsh though o_O

  22. Olivia says:

    Kurisu: too bad, already have. (you do know that in order to judge something, the critic needs to err, maybe, WATCH or READ it, right?

    You’re like one of those people who will only judge good movies/music/books/etc. But if we all do that, then there’s no point in judging anything, is there?

    And if we don’t judge or criticize, how can the world improve??? (^_^)

  23. Kurisu says:

    Olivia: Citation needed.

  24. Iggy says:

    I agree that the movie wasn’t that great, it did have a lot of plot holes and didn’t have nearly as complex a plot line as the original series, so I was pretty mad about how the movie turned out.
    However, I was very happy that a movie did come out simply because I hated the ending of the series and at least the movie gave the fans a little bit more closure and a better ending…although not by much -.-

    I recently found out that there will be a new FMA series and was sooo very excited, until I found out that it’s a remake. I mean what is that?! It makes much more sense to continue with the original anime rather than starting from scratch and just following the manga.
    I have read the manga and still think that the anime did a pretty OK job of adapting the manga. After all as mentioned this series is very popular so they must have done something right lol.
    That said why not just continue with the series as it was? Although I really did enjoy the manga and think that it wouldn’t be bad as an anime it just doesn’t make sense to me to do a remake when you have such a loyal fan base with the anime that has already been created.
    Ah, well I suppose I should stop complaining cause you know I’m going to watch it anyway ;)

  25. tomer says:

    seriously gonna skip explaining to you why your’e wrong since you were dumb enough to write this review,if this is how you think,dont ever write another review again.

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Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Maybe not, but you'd probably do well to watch the show.
Anonymous1581844
@Kaiser-Eoghan: Is Weed really for kid though? -.- Also, the pups are cuter in this one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: Bitches don't know about my Ginga densetsu weed =P
Niello
This is very much a kid version of Wolf's Rain.
Niello
I finally found this thing. Been looking for it for years. The problem now is even if I know the name it's going to be hard to find a way to watch this thing again... https://myanimelist.net/anime/3355/Fortune_Dogs
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Kenshin author was caught with images of child sex abuse. Things have turned into a fallout since the Weinstein case.
Lenlo
I like to keep deadlines. Adds some consistency to things. Appreciate it though
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@Lenlo: No need to apologize lol. I don't think anyone expects you to drop everything in order to blog. XD Just do what you can and keep up the great work. d=(^_^)=b
Lenlo
Sorry for the slow turnaround on Mahoutsukai this week. Moving into a new apartment and work is abit busy. Should be up tomorrow though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I dug the premise and though there could have been more dream sequences its prettily shot, especially within those sequences, I was surprised by the suicide attempt and didn’t see it coming and it succeeded in being uncomfortable.
Although I did find the film sometimes a bit sterile and overlylong
Kaiser-Eoghan
@@Mario: I'm torn on Body and soul, speaking as someone who has autism, I genuinely felt that the depiction of the female protagonist was solid and was backed by good acting, as autism is generally overly associated with male characters, seeing it through a female focus was a bonus.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its an odd season, with shows I had no expectations of being favourites and one I looked forward to being a disappointment.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know we mentioned before on here but I honestly did wish that one episode, the 6th one WAS an additional backstory, it would have elevated the episode for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The original had a grittier artstyle that clashed less with the setting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I do think some of these episodic shows could benefit from two parters, this kino season especially.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But its not a good sign when I forgot some episodes content of this new adaptation less than a week after their airing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I don't say it lightly about the original having a strong degree of consistent quality, even the best episodic series often can't avoid being uneven but again I never felt the original ever fell into that trap .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its the consistency I miss in this version, I enjoyed all the episodes in the original, this being more of a mixed bag sticks out like a sore thumb.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Want to specify I did love the Murder country episode and the Liar country episode, the ship country episode was an episode of two halves, the latest episode was too slight .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Honestly I think I'll play it safe with the new Kino and just wait till it ends and pick the most recommended stories.
Anonymous1580206
The ED of Silver Spoon Season 1 is also amazing.
SuperWooper
"Fighter" by Bump of Chicken is the best I've heard in the last few years (3-gatsu ED 1)
SuperWooper
"Ride on Shooting Star" by The Pillows is my favorite (FLCL)
Nie
Also Akatsuki no Yona ending https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nepa6vDr-gM
Nie
Seriously though, Freedom Opening is too underappreciated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbIy0zMukn4
Nie
if not just song then: Eden of the East, ERASED, both SSY EDs, FMA ED2, Welcome to NHK, Kekkai Sensen, Conan 40
Kaiser-Eoghan
Honestly I skip the op/ed themes for everything, there are some I haven't even heard.
SuperMario
@anon1579752: personally don't care much about EDs, since I hit the close button as soon as the episode's over. But this one is easy, Flowers of Evil ED
Anonymous1579752
321...best anime EDs of all time...GO
Nielo
Oops nvm IGNORE MY COMMENT
Nielo
@KTravlos: Which part of Chielo? How many heads?
KTravlos
Finally a great Altair episode. For once the pacing was a boon rather than a bane, and I loved the idea of Chielo.
Nielo
I have the Vagabond volumes...still haven't touch it. I just don't feel like starting another manga I'll have to wait forever.
Lenlo
Vagabonds only issue, to me, is the lack of release. I love it, its beautiful, and my god I have waited years for it to update. Its like Berserk all overagain
Kaiser-Eoghan
If I could changed something about kujira no kora, it would be toning down that overthetop shounen-kid villain henchman.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel as if I would read more of vagabond if the author ever finished it, the art however is beautiful.
KTravlos
A thing I really like about there stuff is that since they are set post-One Year War, most characters are veterans and they actually behave like veterans. Thus battles are more than just curbstomps etc. I really suggest their gundam stuff. Manga wise start with the Plot to Assassinate Gihren.
KTravlos
I have to say the ARK Performance gundam-verse is one of the favorite uses of the gundam concept . They really do a good job tying their stories together and with the original series.
Lenlo
If were talking manga as well, since I dont realy VNs/LNs, Vinland Saga, Vagabond, Berserk and Basara are all way up there for me
Anonymous1579124
I can probably disect pages on end of Kyousougiga. As for Sun Knight, it's translated from Taiwanese, so the chance of it getting an anime is a big fat zero. Not to mention that it is probably one of the hardest thing to translate into video format, movies or series, animated or not.
Anonymous1579124
@SuperMario Animation vs. Animator?
SuperMario
Kyousougiga was a creative and passionate anime. You can clearly see the love of the creators put into it. But of the year 2013 nothing can beat The Eccentric Family and Flowers of Evil for me
SuperMario
@Niello: I'm willing to give Sun Knight and Dorohedoro (or I should wait for the anime adaptation in few years?) a try but not anytime soon. My next of queue is Night is Short and re-watch of Now and Then. Sorry if I sound like a broken records but lately I haven't had that much time for myself.
SuperMario
..."Mario, what the heck is this??". so we stopped. My friends weren't trying to be rude so I didn't feel any offense, but the thought of watching a stick figure never cross their mind, hence the reaction. Anime fares much better in that regards since people still willing to watch it
SuperMario
(about people's hesitance towards animation medium): Tell me about it. Few years ago I had a Saturday movie night with my mates, one time I convinced them to watch a short animated film "Come one, it's one of the best thing I've seen this year" "It's only 15 minutes so you guys can watch them easily". So they agreed but as soon as the stick figure comes onscreen. My friend turned off...
Anonymous1578845
Lol just found out that there's a Sense8 (on Netflix) easter egg in "Just Because" ep 3 xD, made my day!!!!
Anonymous1578826
Forgot to say this, but anyone willing to give the Sun Knight novel a try, in some ways, it is quite similar to Houseki no Kuni. While it is mainly comedy....it also has a lot of suffering.
silver
@Niello/Anaon1578774?: I watched Kyousougiga maybe 6mos. ago, so I think I'll enjoy it more when I rewatch it sometime in a year or so. Seems most of my top picks cemented their place after a second viewing
Anonymous1578774
@Silver It speaks to me on a personal level no other fiction has comes close to matchin. so it has a very special place in my heart. It's also one of those that get better with each rewatch. I seem to have a penchant for liking what often get described by others as convoluted, this is one of them. I also adore Matsumoto's directing and all the symbolisms.
silver
@Kaiser: I neglected film in my youth as well.. and also in adulthood. A popular gag amongst my friends is that, "silver's never seen any movie ever." I hadn't seen star wars until a girl I dated in uni forced me to watch 4-6...
silver
Hah when I posted about liking works adapted from every medium I wondered if it was going to spark a 'top 10' discussion, but when I was trying to mentally rank them I remembered how hard it was...
@Niello: interesting that Kyousougiga is your all-time #1. I thought it was lovely but probably doesn't make the cut for me
Kaiser-Eoghan
Novels are somewhat alien territory to me as I tend to watch adaptations be they film or otherwise.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I've watched thousands in the past few years because I neglected the medium in childhood.
Nielllo
Unless you mean animated only.
Nielllo
@Eoghan: I don't think I watched enough films at all, and that's made even worst when I forget most of them after a couple of years.
Nielllo
@SuperMario: I really recommend The Legend of the Sun Knight novel. Think it's something you'll probably enjoy quite a bit. It's quite cleverly written. You can read the official fan translation online.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: A top ten film list for me is even harder, I can't even attempt.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Akumetsu> death note
FITE ME.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gunslinger girl gets such a strong mention from me because I feel that action stories often work better when you care about the characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
<No Freesia adaptation
<No Eden adaptation
<No full production IG Alita film series
<why live =<
Nielllo
@SuperMario: There are some anime I'm not going to watch just because the manga is superior, period. Good examples are Monster and One Piece.
Nielllo
@Eoghan: Oh, I knew about Wolfram mangaka's apprenticeship already :p
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: First however, When mountains may depart, By Jia Zhangke, I am full romance mood.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Planetes and Vinland saga have to go somewhere on a list. Oddly they share the same creator.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Reminds me Dreams by Kim-ki-duk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I mentioned Dorohedoro's author was Nihei's apprentice, but heres another interesting one, the mangaka for Wolfram apprentice under BOTH Kento Miura and Kaoru Mori.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: gladly. On Body and Soul is a weird mix of romance drama, character study and a weirdly magical bond between two people who share the same dream. That weirdness is what make the movie so memorable, although I do feel the ending stays out its welcome
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nihei, Umezu and Itou belong somewhere among my favourite mangaka.
SuperMario
I don't know why you'd mix manga/anime together, but my own top 10 is in my profile (click over my username), I've included anime/ movies together but if the list is purely anime shows I'd add Haibane Reimen as #9 and Humanity Has Declined as #10
Nielllo
Apart from Kyousougiga which is always no.1, and The Legend of the Sun Knight, Dorohedoro, Shinsekai Yori and Monster whose places are swappable, the rest I'm quite flexible with. Saint Seiya is in if it's a favorite list, and out among the bottom of the barrel when it comes to quality list, with the exception of The Lost Canvas.
Nielllo
Hmmm, atm it's 1. Kyousougiga (a) 2. Monster (m) 3. Dorohedoro (m) 4. Shinsekai Yori (n) 5. Baccano! (a) 6. Ran to Haiiro no Sekai (m) 7. Saint Seiya (my guilty pleasure, I can't defend it in anyway) 8. Franken Fran (m) 9. The Legend of the Sun Knight (n)(1st tier comedy) 10. Haibane Renmei/Toradora!.Honorable mentions to Gamaran, Beck, GTO, Mushishi, Kaiba and Grave of the Fireflies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Damn....its a harder question to answer than it looks =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although Cruel God reigns in heaven would com close.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nah, nothing would dethrone Gunslinger girl for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or even Utena but I feel it somewhat overated as I do Bebop despite enjoying both.
Kaiser-Eoghan
One of those on the top ten could easily be switched for honey and clover.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also love the works of Shimura Takkako, early takahashi and early Clamp.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Shiki would work its way onto a recent favourites list.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite visual novels are Kara no shoujo, saya no uta and Sharin no kuni.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've a soft spot for ah my goddess, basara, 7 seeds , nanoha and Red river.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If I was making more modern lists for recent favourites I'd probably add flipflappers somewhere or yuasas works.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh my top ten by mixing manga and anime into the same list? 1. Gunslinger (both) girl 2. Ghost in the shell (anime) 3. Earl cain saga (manga) 4. Angel Sanctuary (manga) 5. Texhnolyze (anime) 6. Lain (anime) 7. Perfect blue (anime) 8. Fruits basket (manga) 9. Monster 10. Kare kano.
Nielllo
I don't think anything will ever dethrone Kyousougiga for me though.
Nielllo
I still need to watch Tatami Galaxy and a bunch of other staple shows...
Lenlo
We could put out a site-author Top 10 list sometime maybe... Some of mine are Mushishi, Steins;Gate, Tatami Galaxy and Your Lie in April. Its got a spectrum of genre.
Nielllo
So what are people's top 10?
silver
Certainly on my top 10 list I have works adapted from VNs, manga, novels, LNs, and originals. I just think originals have a higher rate of efficient visual storytelling compared to adaptations
silver
@Kaiser: I like SEL and Haibane and texhnolyze is on my ever-growing list of things to watch. I also really like Gurren Lagen and Kill la Kill although they're both better if you've seen enough anime to know what they're parodying. My ex who loathed most anime because of the aforementioned over-exposition issue also introduced me to Dennou Coil which I really enjoyed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Body and soul just got released on a webdl , sell me on the film if you can =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Silver: Texhnolyze/Lain/Haibane are excellent examples.
silver
I think original anime offers a different experience than adaptations, particularly regarding 'show don't tell.' By necessity most anime source material is dialogue and exposition heavy and can't always utilize the medium efficiently. Of course, I've watched masterpieces adapted from every kind of source, so it's all good
Niello
I'd love to see this thing animated some day. Preferably with movie budget: http://thepropertyofhate.com/TPoH/Ex position/312
Niello
@Eoghan: Try searching in some Asian languages and you might have better luck.
silver
Most open-minded people I talk with don't have anything against animated entertainment. Shows like Bob's Burgers, Archer, and Bojack Horseman have carved a modern niche for 'adult' animation. Having a show about talking alcoholic horse would be pretty cheesy with live action.
Niello
Never mind, Mario said it. But I also don't agree that idol shows or incest shows are intrinsically bad. On top of idol being a trend in Japan first and anime pick it up because it's part of the culture.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The reason people see the worst side of things, is because that is what is made most on the surface and immediate,
Niello
@Amagi: Considering that all the ones you listed are originally manga, I think you should give manga more credit...
Kaiser-Eoghan
And by finding I mean, hard to buy or torrent .
Kaiser-Eoghan
The infuriating thing is how poorly distributed some things are. I hate seeing Godammn blurays of shit hollywood films everywhere and I have to struggle to find some old/quality eastern film.
Amagi
I think it's the same problem as with endless shounen. Sometimes series get dragged on purpose to make more money.
Amagi
The tons of seasons is what scares me away sometimes
Kaiser-Eoghan
I keep thinking, why pad a 90 minute-9 1/2 hour story in a billion one hour per episode seasons.
Amagi
Yeah it's always like that, with cinema movies too.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also hate ensemble/mosaic storytelling for the larger part, with some exceptions.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know this excuse won't work with people who love serialized live-action tv dramas but...I don't like most tv shows because of how padded they are and that they go on far too long and the acting is tv standard and not film standard.
Lenlo
I dont want TV that much, but my experience has been there are very few shows worth watching. Just like anime.
Lenlo
Well, in the argument that anime has alot of bad trends to, I would say so does regular television. How many TVs per year are as good/acclaimed in the "best" anime of each season are in the community?
Amagi
I think it's just sad that there are so many people (the big majority) that refuse to watch cartoons in general because they consider them as either childish or a worse version of "real" series. They'll always miss the good sides anime/manga have and therefore certain sub-genres as a whole.
Amagi
@SuperMario: Yeah you're right. I should have specified it to Japanese drawn media in general (VNs too). And yeah most anime/manga are rather trashy or blatantly bad. But the good series are often something live acting can't create and we'd miss without Japan. There are good cartoons too, though
SuperMario
... original ones: Cowboy Bebop, EVA, Flip Flappers, Kaiba, etc
SuperMario
@amagi: I almost agree with everything you said, but we might give anime too much credits. Remember it's a medium that responsible for many, many bad trends: idol shows, incest shows, tentacle hentai shows and so on so forth. The shows you listed here are come from manga as well, and they are strong manga materials to begin with. If I choose an example of what anime can achieve I'd point to some..
Amagi
This season is really good and it shows how lacking fiction would be without anime. Stuff like Shuumatsu, Houseki or even Mahoutsukai can only exist as anime. It's something live acting script writers would never come up with, not to mention that a lot would be lost without the respective drawing styles, be it the moe blobbs of Shuumatsu or the CGI hair, grass and camera movement of Houseki.
KTravlos
btw I really liked this Mahoutsukai no Yome episode. Finally we are getting somewhere
Amagi
@Kaiser: You're right, totally forgot that. Looking forward to this. Also I could have sworn I heard about a new project from Iso (Dennou Coil) last year but I guess I either confused him with someone else or with Children of Ether in which he's involved in some kind of way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: That series was going to be devilman crybaby .
Amagi
Wasn't Yuasa also doing a series of some sort this year? Haven't watched the movies yet but I loved most of his stuff so far, with Kaiba being my favorite.
Anonymous1575628
Wow, Houseki did not disappoint for me this week.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I enjoyed it for what it was. But I'd say even if you didn't read the subs you probably wouldn't have much trouble following it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually had a look and lu over the wall, coincidentally , there are moments of where Yuasa's imagination/visuals shine through and its a genuinely charming film at times, but it does almost outstay its welcome and there's a sense Yuasa was somewhat restrained this time round, it IS a kids movie and that kind of does need to be taken into account, its not AS mad as mind game or kemonozume.
Amagi
Yoake Tsugeru Lu no Uta is subbed, but no idea if the subs are good
Kaiser-Eoghan
And its quite natural.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Florida project succeeds through its free flowing nature/narrative and manages to be hilarious all the while managing to never allow you forget its also a kitchen sink drama, the best performances come from William Dafoe and the girl. At the end it gut punches the audience emotionally.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: also expecting Florida Project, 3 Billboards, and The Shape of Water in my end
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh, Kino was a bit too slight this week.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Just Lu, disaster artist and happy end left now for the year. Maybe the new Godzilla.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I felt that Sion Soni's Noriko's dinner table did the irl acting thing better.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I'm going to watch The Killing of a Sacred Deer. Consider I regarded The Lobster as one of the best film of that year and Dogtooth and Alps impressed me a lot; I have high hope for this one
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mooooommm, I want my Lu over the wal subs and I want them now OMO!
Niello
...Can't torrent where I am, grrrr.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm quite fond of Go Nagai's devilman, so I'll be interested in seeing Yuasa's adaptation of it whenever it comes out.
SuperMario
@Kasier: ha! thanks Kaiser. Finally it's out... gonna download it now
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Here is a link to Night is short walk on girl English subbed: https://nyaa.si/view/979508
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: OR JUST MONIKA Amirite =P
SuperMario
in all seriousness though, I hope they can use one week break to smooth out their production.
SuperMario
so Just Because's taking a break this week. The reason: just because
Lenlo
Mhmhmm Inuyashiki was great this week. I just love this show.
Amagi
The hell- no didn't know that. I really wouldn't have expected tribute songs to this series
Niello
@Amagi: Did you know this exists? And it's by Igorrr no less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhQQ57N-9ys&list=PL9ku-W0xIzd4EYUL9bUG2CZXBIy7cCiSk
Niello
And yes, I'm just waiting and waiting for the day the anime get announced. No doubt it'll becomes a classic.
Niello
@Eoghan, I don't think it becomes a mess though, the story threads all come together amazingly well.
KTravlos
I too recommend at least watching 2nd episode of Tanya before passing judgement.

Looking forward to the Urasawa manga as well!
SuperWooper
@Anonymous: Thanks! Reading blog posts used to be my go-to distraction when I took breaks at work. Now I have to take breaks from writing them. It's a grind at times, but Star Crossed ought to be alive for a while yet.
Amagi
Adaptions for series like these only work when they're passion projects. If they're not they end up like the Dies Irae anime.
Amagi
It's another one of those series I really wish to see as an anime with music, movement and so on. But same as with Made in Abyss, it needs a cometent director and one that is in love with the work or else it will be a letdown
Amagi
@Niello: Yes and I fucking love it. The gritty style, the setting, the characters and designs and so on. @Kaiser didn't know she was under Nihei that's cool. I love these sketchy styles
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: yes and more people I believe should so, despite that its kind of become a mess, I take the thing as one big black comedy. The woman who drew it interestingly enough apprenticed under Tsutomu Nihei.
Niello
Anyone here read Dorohedoro?
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