Posted by psgels on 3 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews


I originally dropped Kyoani’s version of Kanon after about ten episodes because the characters got on my nerves way too much. Still, after having been completely surprised at how good Air and Clannad’s After Story turned out, so I just had to finish Kanon at one point. This review is going to contain a few spoilers here and there, but in any case, the thing that immediately struck my mind when I picked it back up: those eyes! It feels like they watch right through you!

In all seriousness, though. The reason that Air and Clannad made such a big impression on me was that they started with the biggest heap of cliches imaginable, played a bit with them, and then went into a totally unique and original direction which blew me away in the end. For Kanon I was anticipating something similar. And it indeed started out with a huge amount of cliches: sick girl, tomboy, silent samurai girl, nice girl, energetic male, cute mother, et cetera. However, at the end of the series, I was still waiting for it to turn into something special.

I think that in the end, this series was trying too hard and ended up forced for me. It tries very hard to be cute: there is Ayu with her Uguu~, Makoto with her Au~, Nayuki with her Unyuu~, Mai with her delayed reactions, but all of this feels forced, and even though there’s more comedy in it than any other key adaptation, none of the jokes really live up to the few scenes that Air devoted to it (all the Uguu~s in the world couldn’t even come close to the awesomeness of the Stegosaurus t-shirt). The same goes with the drama: this series aims to be a huge tear-jerker, though I never cried once. It felt like the series kept clinging too much to its harem roots, which resulted in a few very strange plot twists. Twice, we have Yuuichi come very close to a girl, only to dump her in a hospital and move on to the next one.

Parents have always played a very big role in Key adaptations, but the extremely forceful way that Nayuki’s mother inserts herself into the drama didn’t sit well with me either. It felt like the creators were going “we need more drama! Let’s insert a random car crash!”. And there are a few more of these contrived plot twists that only serve to keep the story on the right track, rather than to get the best out of the characters (for example, it was quite convenient for Mai to suddenly lose her powers, otherwise she would have instantly solved nearly all of the problems in this series). The final episodes also included some deus ex machina that didn’t also sit too right with me.

However, do note that this is all compared to Air and Clannad (a very high standard). For me it feels like if you’ve seen both of those, then Kanon doesn’t have anything new or additional to add. However, when you look at the series as a standalone production, then it definitely has some good points. The air of mystery is very good throughout the series, the slice of life moments are also pretty well done, and Yuuichi is actually a pretty good lead for a harem series like this. Not because he’s a continuous sarcastic wise-cracker (that actually was annoying most of the time), but because he’s a seriously flawed character who already made a lot of mistakes in his life. One of the nice things about this series is seeing him realize what an incredible idiot he has been, and learning from his mistakes.

And yeah, this is a Kyoto Animation series, so the animation is very detailed if you can ignore the often very weird eyes. The character-designs definitely aren’t the most appealing ones out there, but the way they are animated makes up for it. There’s one particular aspect of the designs that I did appreciate, though: the architecture of the school that the characters go to. You can see that either the creators spent some time on designing it, or the creators thoroughly searched for some of the best school architecture out there and made an anime version of it.

Overall, Kanon isn’t bad by far. I liked watching it, but it’s just not that good. There’s nothing outstanding, ground-breaking or awesome about it, but it is definitely a good dark mystery romance series. If you like these sorts of very sad romances, then you’ll like this one, but it’s not going to make you see the light if you hate the genre.

Storytelling: 8/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 9/10
Setting: 7/10

17 Responses

  1. kuro says:

    Everyone has different tastes.. As for me Kanon is the best kyoani anime so far. I didn’t see there many love poligons except Nayuki, and Ayu. Makoto And Mai’s behavior was explained very well. I mean I really dislike genetic harems(so many elements were in Clannad first season, thats one of the reasons I was dissapointed with it after Kanon and Air). And to begin with Kanon is prototype of this trilogy ^^ At least Yuiichi sin’t such “Dame Ningen” as Okazaki

  2. Lxre says:

    wow… that’s what i call contradicting yourself

  3. midenz says:

    Kanon, imo, was on par with the first Clannad, maybe even better! Though Clannad ~After Story~ totally blew Kanon awayy!! It’s a pretty good anime overall and enjoyable too, some sad moments here and there and like u said, feels a bit forcd but its still pretty good :] !

  4. wackedfoo says:

    kanon is my 2nd favorite key adaptation after clannad after story. i just think it had everything and was done well, despite the flaws you mentioned. air was just too condensed and clannad’s drama isn’t quite as strong to me(even if kanon’s drama is pretty forced). i think kanon has the best comedy out of all of them too.

  5. Son Gohan says:

    I think that Kanon’s biggest fault was that they didn’t build the Ayu-Yuuichi relationship very well. When they confessed and kissed, it surprised me because they were acting as siblings until the episode before.
    I cried only once, during Makoto’s arc. Her slow regression to infancy was painful to watch. I didn’t particularly care for the other dramas, though I liked Mai.

  6. Ant says:

    Kanon the OVA, which means the first one the original before the 24 or 26 episode Kanon was made, was the first I saw, where the animation was simple, and not that high, and the main characters voice was less mature, I remember watching it to a certain point where I got bored, and stopped and picked it up again, and found myself crying as I saw the rest of it.

    Then Air was released, I noticed the style of drawing instantly which made me watch it, and this too was a great series, an a tear jerker, especially the end.

    When I heard they were going to remake Kanon, I had mixed feelings on whether or not it would be good. and I was happily suprised, it was good, it had the old music “last regret”, and all the characters sounded the same, the animation being upgrade, was another upside. and overall the reminising and the new comedy parts, was good, and i enjoyed it and still brought a tear to my eye.

    Then Clannad appeared, and I was shocked by Okazaki’s voice, but got over that, and enjoyed it, and it ended quite well, though more could have been done for the twins and tomoyo. As I wanted to know more about them. but still another tear jerker.

    But to judge Kanon, after Clannad, I guess everyone has different views ^_^

  7. Lor says:

    i just finished watching Kanon 2006 for the first time. Mostly because Clannad was so ****ing brilliant. (Air is next on my list).
    And coming straight from Clannad which, like Kanon, I marathoned through, I couldn’t help but notice a couple of similarities… (anyone notice that the giant doll that Sayuri gets for Mai also in Clannad, the first Fuko ninja insert after her arc ends).

    Some of these similarities were a bit disconcerting. The Makoto arc and the Fuko arc were just too similar for me to be able to get into it. Possibly because i kept comparing Makoto to Fuko and found her amusing, butl acking (plus the Fuko arc was quite frankly better). Although I will admit that I found the continued references back to Makoto more involving than the amnesia experience in Clannad (8 episodes of character development gone really peed me off)

    That said the Mai arc was MUCH better than the Kotomi arc. In Clannad, Kotomi’s story just seemed a bit… well dull after Fuko. It was good, don’t get me wrong. But I just fpund it excessively clichéd. Especially the who teddy bear thing. Or maybe I was just in emotional desensitivity after fuko… Anyway Mai however was defiantly more interesting than Kotomi. Sure some of its scenes seemed a tad bit forced but it stepped up the drama and brought home more of the supernatural parts of the story (which Clannad watered down quite a bit even though it ends up becoming arguably more magical than Kanon). And lets not forget the dance scene which was hands down my favourite in Kanon (doesn’t hold a candle to Clannad’s first scene though).
    The Shiori arc was quite well done but I do have to complain about how Mai was effectively cast off. She didn’t show up much afterwards and after the Shiori doesn’t show up until the final episode after her story ends. Yes both are explained and the plot works but it seemed to deduct from the final result.
    Nayuki wasn’t very well done to say the least. Her story was told but it kept being broken up into small remote pieces. And even though she and Yuichi had some of the largest amounts of screen time together they just never seemed to get beyond the sibling stage (which they reached early on). Every high point of her and Yuichi relationship was almost always overshadowed by one of the other girls. Even the highlight of Nayuki’s story, were her mother gets comatosed (cliché but what the hell) was dulled by Ayo (or lack there of)
    Which brings us to Ayo. Well she can be broken down into two parts. Pre relationship and post relationship. The only problem I have with Ayo, and I do mean the only problem (brilliant character) is that the transition between the two states is almost none existent. She’t undergoes barely any character development during the Mai and Shiori arcs (ok there is some, such as her moving into their house etc etc but then they begin to act like brother and sister) and then suddenly they are kissing. It just doesn’t seem to fit properly. Especially as Yuichi appears to be closer to both Mai and Shiori (and lets not forget Makoto whom he ‘married’) at that point. This is something which Clannad does so MUCH better. It was obvious who would end up with Tomoya in the end and the story used that (especially when Nagisa was absent from the story for a few episodes) to make their bond stronger. Kanon tries to leave you guessing who will end up with Yuichi… ok maybe the fact that two thirds of the opening credits and the entirely of the ending credits are devoted purely to Ayo gives it away but still…

    And the ending. Well you will either find it brilliant or you will rage. Why, well the last episode tries just a tad bit to hard to give a happy ending. I wont go into it but my only critism is that it too many people were miraculously healed. Even those who didn’t need to be, and yet no Makoto (well unless you count that blurry red shape in the final scene). Sigh. Put this way, if you were one of people who had seen Clannad After Story and didn’t (honestly though, how could you NOT get it) then you might find Kanon’s ending more believable thanks to the highert focus on the supernatural compared to Clannad’s vague references to light orbs and imaginary worlds. Or you might find your self pissed at the emotional manipulation that Key is so darn good at.

    Over all a brilliant series. Had I been given a choice between Kanon and Clannad series 1 then I would have to go Kanon. It’s more much dramatic and its plot is much more final and frankly interesting that Clannads. Kanon is not as linear or developed in some aspects and it doesn’t look as good (weird face make up is an understatement) but if your willing to pass those minor laws over then the story and characters more than make up for them.
    Bring in After Story and Kanon goes out the window but to be able to top the first series is a mark of high praise.

    I wonder how Air and Kanon 2002 match up…

  8. Gotank says:

    Kanon has been by far the best Kyoani series for me. The whole fantasy element that slowly gets weaved into the story is fascinating.

    Interestingly, Ayu’s story was actually what impressed me the most. I didn’t care too much for slow drama that typically comes with impending death situations, so Makoto and Shiori’s arcs didn’t make much impact for me. Unfortunately, we never really got to see Nayuki’s full story, due to how much it would conflict with Ayu’s. Mai’s story was also quite unique and well-conceived though.

    While I actually didn’t enjoy it too much on my first run through, Kanon 2006 has, in hindsight, become one of my favorite series of all time. Cheers.

  9. Solaris says:

    Kanon 200X is a remake, and teorethically comes before both Clannad and Air. You’d speak about Kanon as the reference for the other two, and not vice versa. So discovering some unoriginal arcs in Kanon with respect to Clannad (i.e.) makes the latter at fault.
    Kyoani experimented peculiar narration styles from Kanon to Clannad and we also should remember that both Kanon and Air come from erogames (But not Clannad). So the harem format fits Kanon and Air very well. Kanon IS the most “harem” like of the three and each heroine is belonging to a definite arc. The format is just standard.
    But Air is not random harem. Its genre is evolving into something new thatt will take a definitive form in Clannad. Air is divided into three different sections and the main focus is given to one of the main char. That is one heroine gets promoted from the very start and the other girls remain as secondary chars in secondary arcs. This style has been extablished in the final show, clannad. Anyhow the execution in Air is not flawless, so much it seems to watch three different animes at once. I could speak more in the Air section, eventually. Let me say the last arc is way too forced and depressing in comparison to the first two arcs. I thought it ruined the phatos quite a bit, but alas. overall Air was quite good.
    Clannad, in the end may seem an Harem but it’s not. There is only one main lead heroine selected from the very start and all the other girls are secondary. Clannad is just really the story of Nagisa. I felt quite sad when at half the serie it was clear there was no place for them at all. Clannad lacked in the harem field, after all.
    So three series sharing some similar development, but are very different in structure, each with their good and bad points. I don’t know wich one of the three i liked less or more, but i just fell in love with the nice chars and touching stories. Maybe i liked more some side stories like Kanon’s fox girl or Air’s never born daughter with respect to the main lead girls.

  10. Nalyd says:

    Since Kanon came before Air and Clannad, comparing them and then saying that kanon was the unoriginal factor sounds off a bit. Hmm I thought that Air was the worst out of the three though, I mean it had some good parts to it, but definitely I would personally never rate it over Kanon or Clannad. Kanon and Clannad are pretty tied up for me though, I loved them both! Kanon is near the top of my list for sure. Clannad after story was great till the end, the ending of it left me with such a horrible taste in my mouth though that I couldn’t rate that above Kanon.

  11. Dm says:

    The first Kanon (Toei version) was much better, even though I didn’t watch the whole show! The remake version had too much unecessary drama, while the original kept it more subtle, IMO.

  12. Ferdinand says:

    I watched air, and in my opinion its not that good like people talking about, the story so confusing, I found the dialogue between characters are boring, I never cried at air. however kanon 2006 gets me cried a lot, i like all of the arc especially shiori arc and also i found all of the humour is funnier than air, heck i even choose kanon 2006 over clannad, but clannad after story is different though.

  13. BeeTee says:

    Your review is perfect. Kanon really is a big disappointment after AIR’s tight story and Clannad’s sentimental factor. Although, personally, I loved Nayuki’s Unyuu~ all through the story, the moe factor barely lived up to AIR’s piko piko~ and Fuko in Clannad. There are many implausible bits in Kanon, and IMHO, Clannad’s ONE BIG IMPLAUSIBLE THING AT THE END FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL is a far better option.

  14. BeeTee says:

    And, even though Kanon did come out before AIR or Clannad, somehow it felt less original than the other two, and gave an impression like it was made of bits and pieces and residues of the Clannad, AIR

  15. BeeTee says:

    One last thing >

  16. Me says:

    For me, Kanon is an extremely good series. From the first episode they’re pointing towards the last. You wonder who that is, dreaming… You see how Ayu and Yuuichi met when they were young, and they’re not rushing it. They give the correct amount of hints through the series and at the end, I found myself crying while all the threads connected. The athmosphere with this anime- I love it! They’re in a snowy town, they focus on the big tree beside the two young kids, and the lovely hill~ And that cute shopping district. What I think Kanon has, which not many other series have are the symbols- we’ve got the angel which has three wishes- which he goes looking for for a long while, and finally the last wish unfolds and ye.. And then we have Makoto’s bells which she heard from when she was a fox years earlier. And the red hairband, which he never gave to her, but she still wore it, I just think all those symbols is very well executed and makes the series spectacular. The tayaki is also mentioned a lot of times. Everything just claffed in the end. The only thing I didn’t like was the small add at the end where she cut her hair and stuff- cute it was, but it was unncessesary. That will not ruin my impression of this series though, absolutely one of my faves.

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Though better 110 episodes of galactic heroes than a long shounen that just repeats itself.
Amagi
Speaking of recent episodes, I unironically thing that FranXX's world (building) is pretty interesting (although I hope those klaxxosaurusses will be more than just random cannon fodder) but I doubt the series will ever get to the main plot again the next time.
Amagi
Same here. It was really the only time I did this. I am usually exhausted by just thinking about marathoning long series. It's the reason why I won't get into FMP for the new series either. LotGH was an exception since I found it easily to watch for some reason.
SuperMario
Man, just image burning through 110 episodes of it and my spirit fades away
Amagi
Watched that whole series ages ago.
Amagi
Just watched the first three Neue These episodes and I surprinsingly liked it. Thought I would hate it due to being an OVA fan, and I still prefer the old designs by far but overall it's pretty good. I think I might even prefer this version of the first battle, but I have to rewatch the old one I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also while I can't remember which episode, Yang picks up a book with the author of the series' name on it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Arslan feels so lightweight by contrast/comparison.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I think, given your knowledge KTtravlos, that a series review of the new galactic heroes season would probably benefit from you writing it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I bring up the music in my earlier comment, because I can understand your reservations regarding the music choice in the remake.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And certainly one of those shows, that going back to the first episode after finishing, gives a strong perspective just on how evolving the series was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*despite me not
Kaiser-Eoghan
Despite not being monarchist , because the characters were human moreso than cartoon characters I couldn't hate on Reinhard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: I suppose by the time it got to Julian's arc, I was surprised they were still bothering to fight but the fact that they were essentially the last bastion of their beliefs made it special.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: Sometimes when I just finish a show, its a case where I HAVE to jump online immediately after and excitedly ramble out an essay on it.
niello
ugh democracy
KTravlos
@Kaiser ultimately LOGH for me was a decisive point in my political life, as I think it made the best defense of democracy in any form I have seen. And it worked partly because the opponent was presented in the best possible incarnation (Rienhard). Yang's continued adherence to democracy, despite recongising its flaws, helped me avoid a personal descent into authoritarian politics.
KTravlos
@Kaiser. I am happy you had a good experience. I watched the prequels a while after the main show and I was happy because it was great getting back to those characters. The prequels were also great in fleshing the setting and the characters. So yes, take your time and a break. That way the prequels will be like visiting a place you liked again after a while.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@KTtravlos: I have some other stuff to get through before watching the galactic heroes prequel though =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
YES according to discord poster I'm not a millenial!
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry for overposting. I have always always being an incredibly verbose person.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter; Not that I oppose captilistically made for a buck cinema, it can be entertaining yes, but I set a standard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: As open as I am to trash cinema, I consider the resident evil films, like the superhero ones, anti-art.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can understand why people don't like Villier, but he did I think work as a device to add extra tension.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel some release at finishing but at the same time sadness at saying goodbye to the show and its characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
, showing its age.
But for something of this length, it kept itself up far better than most long shows and I feel the length its somewhat justified.

On another note….as corny as the third ending theme is, I got the feels listening to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But while the first 50 odd episodes were an easy job for me aswell as all of the 4th season and some of the late 3rd season made it difficult for me to pull myself away from it, the dialogue even though often well observed did become difficult to follow at times and somewhere in the middle theres a stretch of episodes, bar some moments that feel a bit of an endurance test and the animation is at
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its attention to detail I felt was at its strongest in the documentary and the series dedication to filling the view in on its world building/fictional history.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I admired the scope, ambition of this series and the battles eventually grew on me and I was surprised by just how visceral the melee combat got which suited me perfectly. At the same time for all the strategy and action, I found myself more in it for the story, characters and intrigue/politicking. Those battles, due in part to their music choices, had an epic feel to them
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the end the characters stood out for me the best were Reinhard, Oberstein (for being essentially the amazing man with the plan), Reuntal, Kircheis and Rubinsky, I warmed up to Julian, Yang and Schenkop. When important deaths occurred, they felt highly dramatic, in four cases emotionally effecting for me .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also, KTtravlos, thank you for pushing me toward watching the original legend of the galactic heroes, my opinion on the series is largely a mixed one, but by the end I felt I’d watched something rewarding and I’m happy its crossed off my list and I should have gotten round to it sooner.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm probably the oldest here, being 32. Which apparently makes me around Yang-wenli's age, which according to someone means I'm middle aged .
Kaiser-Eoghan
To the discord guy who brought it up, its difficult not for me to be political, my father was an activist and is a Marxist , I ended up becoming a contradiction a semi-agnostic, but spiritually inclined/tolerant socialist with internationalist ideology.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Ends in very cliffhanger/abrupt indy way though and the things weakness/how to kill thems too easy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I liked how it explains nothing also and the creature design and how it visual communicates to the audience.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: While I won't say anything, a character death is handled in what I considered a schmaltzy manner. There is a particularly headscratching decision the characters make that you'll either rationalize or hate, but it leads to one of the tenser set pieces later on.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Quiet place has a good idea at its backbone, that they use sign language in the film to communicate and occassional whispers adds to it, it and the silence allows for a mood to be effectively communicated. It does have jump scares, I wasn't annoyed by them, but I never felt the film required them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read the discord, if you ever need to ask a question relating to film, come to me about it, I will without fail be able to answer 9 times out of 10.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was adequately amused by the first episode of wotaku, but found the male lead funnier, which I'm attributing to him be more deadpan.
Lenlo
We found a convient weekend for everyone
Kaiser-Eoghan
*watching
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would also float the idea of recommendation podcasts every now and then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will listen to the podcast more in full later. But I was surprised after asking/suggesting it on the discord, that it came so soon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am thinking of re-watching gasaraki and ai yori aoshi.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: Perhaps after a while of watch the anime I will simply jump on to the manga.
Vonter
I watched Resident Evil: Vendetta yesterday. It's incredible dumb but kind of fun. I do wonder if in terms of entertainment are like the best videogame based movies. Since it plays like a videogame, it's based on a videogame and is more or less in line with the tone the series has had for a while.
niello
It's such a shame that Golden Kamuy art direction is such a train wreck.
KTravlos
and for the sake of Clausewitz there is clinical term for what Reinhard did. It is called "defeat in detail". Napoleon was a master of it. Proper way to defeat it , is to order the threatened force to retreat to a point where other allied forces are converging. The enemy will either have to retreat, or fight at a disadvantage. The 1813 and 1814 campaigns against Napoleon are examples of that.
KTravlos
Episode 2 of LOGGH: Der Neue Thesis was much better than the first. The music is still an issue, but Yang was well portrayed. I do think there is lack of the directors in showing the cruelty of war, like the first one did. We will see.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Still need to see his short films and black Peter.
Amagi
@Anon: I already know the manga and enjoy it, think the anime is a good adaption so far. Feels good to see a series about video games that are actually just games and romance without tsunderes, tons of blushing or unworldly naive harem girls.
Anonymous2016456
the anime
Anonymous2016456
how do you guys think of wotakoi?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Hereditary sounds pretty promising here
Kaiser-Eoghan
Forman's an interesting case, when you look at the huge disconnect from his early films from the 60s and then what he went on to make.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, unfortunately I am not a fan of country music so Nashville didn't appeal to me =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: And before Jack kept playing the same role over and over.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Aside from Courtney Love's presence, Larry Flynt is an excellent film. I love the custom camera tricks Kubrick used in Lyndon , dog day afternoon suceeded for me because it did so much more than being just a bank rob film. I wish Spielberg would return to his pre-90s films .
SuperMario
Cuckoo's Nest reminds me of the great 1975 Oscar Best Picture, which for me was Oscar's greatest line-up. The line-ups for that year were: Cuckoo Nest (winner), Nashville, Barry Landon, Dog Day Afternoon and Jaws
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