Posted by psgels on 16 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Casshern Sins

One of the most unique series to start airing in the past Fall Season was Casshern Sins: a remake of a super robot series that aired in the seventies, but one that went into a completely different direction with just about everything. The result is a highly stylish series with lots and lots of things to like about it.

If there ever was an award for “Best Character-Designs”, then this series would be one of the top contenders. The art style in this series is really unique, and in fact it’s one of the most outstanding ones I’ve seen in the past few years. Just about everything in this series is a visual feast, ranging from the wonderfully drawn characters to the astonishingly beautiful background art. The animation quality itself isn’t anything special for most of the time, but it doesn’t need to be: this series is beautiful enough, even without a huge budget.

This series also stands out in its style of storytelling. The dialogue flows very naturally, and yet it’s deep, meaningful and very inspired without trying to sound pretentious. The pacing is deliberately kept slow in order to squeeze all of the potential out of the characters. It really was my favourite part of this series, because the dialogue flows in this series unlike any other series I’ve seen.

Casshern sins is a series about destruction and immortality, and a quite thought-provoking one as well. while mystery isn’t its main focus, it asks lots of interesting questions throughout its airtime that keep the viewer busy. As the lot unravels more and more, it really is the type of plot that requires the user to think in order to understand it all, because not everything is spoon-fed on a silver platter.

However, do note that this isn’t a series that only gets better and better. It’s divided into two halves: the first half is basically a travelling series, where the main character meets lots of different people. The quality is pretty inconsistent: some of the best and worst episodes of the series can be found here. In the second half, the main story kicks in, and the series becomes much more consistent: it pretty much continues at a steady pace, it never hits any lows, but also any heights are absent. This can become disappointing if you were hyped by some of the truly outstanding episodes in the first half. It’s the sign that the charcter-development never really came together in the end, although it definitely tried.

The only other flaw of this series is a rushed ending, though. The creators just didn’t take enough time for that final episodes, and the twists just come too fast to make the impact they could have had. But still we have ourselves an excellent series here. It’s fresh, original and imaginative despite based on a 1970s series. It doesn’t quite have the material to become an outstanding series, but it nevertheless has been a delightful watch for me for the past six months.

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 10/10
Setting: 9/10

34 Responses

  1. Howling-kun says:

    Finally a 10/10 on Production Values there. :D

  2. IK says:

    definitely the most visually pleasing show in a long time.

  3. Snowolf says:

    Lol, I’m going to have a long review as well…but I agree with you on many parts, if not all things you’ve pointed out. :D
    I totally agree with fact that the ending was seriously rushed. If they had just gotten one or two more episodes..!!! But for so many crammed things in so little time, it did well. There are just so many loose ends that bother me. Like, the whole “I’ll be back yo” thing. They didn’t need to introduce that! And what happened to the Angel of Ruin? Weren’t they supposed to meet one day? (Ahem: like the end of the series perhaps?) And Luna still remains a mystery: both a positive and negative thing. The whole show is thought provoking, and very subtle- a quality that sadly most animes don’t have these days. The show really makes you think and connect the characters, their small but impactful dialogue, and such a deep development amongst such chaos. It’s a pretty and poetic portrayal of harsh magnitudes, and that’s what Casshern Sins excels in: exalted unity.
    I really did love seeing Ringo grow up though. That was a great concept. But like you said, they should have done that when they tied up all the loose ends. If given more time, i’m pretty sure CS would have been a jawdropping, morbid, OMGNOWAI kind of ending. I’m just sad that they didn’t give it one more episode/20 more minutes….

    In terms of art, Casshern Sins is like…delicious. I’ve never seen such a more daring style than this show, and the colors among with the harsh, crude lines just balance each other out. CS has one of the best arts I’ve seen in an anime, regardless of its reused cycles and low budget. Truly, CS deserves some merit for stretching the boundaries of what defines a classic and amazing anime. :D I’d give it a 93-95 because the second part was just so slow and expected. It was good, decent, but it lacked any awesome surprises that the first half had. And also taking points of such a slow start. The first time I watched CS it seemed like the worst thing created, but I bent my argument and watched it anyways. I’m glad now that I’ve made that choice.

  4. Windspirit says:

    The 10/10 in production values was highly deserved.

  5. midenz says:

    id gve it about u gave, pretty much wat u said was true xDD. anyways, great series. i totally enejoyed watching your reviews den watching the actual episode xdd except for the SPOILER one x] ! great job the reviewing the series, was great !

  6. TJ says:

    Definitely the most stylish series of the season. Excellent visuals and music. Too bad about the story pacing though.

  7. Chris says:

    It ended already? Spring truly is around the corner.

    Thanks for your dedication in blogging this series! I enjoyed every moment.

  8. TCoFA says:

    I pretty much agree with everything you said, except for one thing, the 90 points. Maybe it’s just me but I was always thinking in the direction of 6 = ok, 7 = entertaining, 8 = good, 9 = outstanding and 10 = impossible.

    I’d put casshern sins somewhere in the high 7’s or low 8’s. Enjoyable to watch, sometimes even really good, but the overall series didn’t ever reach a certain height when it comes to quality.

  9. Solaris says:

    Hi i’m back after a while and i’m here to give kudos to CxL. He was right: this serie absolutely doesn’t compare to the old one. There’s no connection, it’s all another setting and situations depicted.

    This Casshern is more similar to the live movie with its long and tedious rants against war and human myseries. Meaningless visual feast end cheap morals. To boring.
    It yet seemed to me another failed attempt to bust an average bad show with an old winner char.

    I didn’t watch to te last episode but yet i don’t expect too much. Everything was wrapped up in the last couple of episodes after 20 empty episodes, and given the too many chars left behind, i doubt they’ll wrap up something good.
    The issue with Dio is finished. Leda is still alive, Luna is still there and Braiking Boss decides to join the fight the last 10 seconds of the forelast episode. Omg!

    They did NOTHING for 20 episode and they burned down everithing in the grand finale. Wow, how clever!

    The chars seemed to wander around helplessly for the entire serie. Braiking, Flender, The old Bosses were just cameos from th very old serie more than active characters.

    Luna turned out an amazingly bad char. Her being alive ruined all the expectations of the first half serie. And yet it didn’t explain anithing, neither the changes in Kasshern and Luna herself, nor the great ruin thing. Ah yeah: “when you killed me all of my death flew out of me in the world” says she. That was cheap.

    About the visuals quality. At first the weird chara and stunning decayed environment shocked me, but that become boring soon after a while. Think about it: what backgrounds did you watch for the entire serie? Rusty deserts and beds of flowers. Was that enough? And about the animation? Casshern repeated always the same movements. The fights were always confused and bad animated. The graphics wasn’t really that great if you think about it!

    “Best” episode: #18 When Lyuze is dreaming and realizes she loves Casshern.
    Man! i want something of the stuff they smoke when the made it. Really! The whole episodes was mad nonsense.
    There we reached the climax of Casshern: a nonsense showoff of absurd characters.

    I really expected much of this serie, but that was one big disappointment.
    People, if you can really go watch the first serie. It’s graphics was old and outdated but it’s plot is lightyears ahead of this one. Its topics ae still actual nowadays, bearing with pollution, racism, war, science, love and much other.

  10. Machi says:

    I think for the last part what did fall short for me was the whole Braiking Boss and Luna union. Seeing as I thought Braiking Boss was well more or less regretful of the kingdom he once had and was pretty much resigned to death, I mean he was digging graves. Then suddenly you have a sort of 180 and he is the one to approach Luna asking for life, and a new kingdom. I think the conclusion would have been better with episode 23 rather than 24. Or perhaps 24 would be good minus the whole Braiking Boss Luna union, they could just lengthen the death of Oji and Lyuze along with Ringo growing up.
    Leda really was more built up to be final boss material but then they just scrapped that in favor of Braiking Boss. I think the finale could indeed have been pulled off better had they just opted with Leda, she didn’t need to die perhaps just go somewhat berserk till she regains her senses. In any case its really a shame what they did by making the Braiking Boss finale. Still I did thoroughly enjoy the series, even with the weakness of 24 (23 really was a good enough conclusion) the dialogue and characters for me still allowed the series to shine.

  11. I finally watched CS till the end and I will give this anime an 7/10. This is indeed an very stylish yet depressing anime which deals with the end of the world/humanity and imortality. The story is easy to follow but gets kinda complicated at the end and actually I am left with alot of questions unanswered.

    1. Why is everyone ruined ?!? I mean Luna isn,t dead. And what is “being ruined” they never explain why this is happening, only explaination is because of Lunas death ehm ?!?

    2. Why is Luna actually alive and everyone says she died.

    3. How did Luna survive Casshern ? They never explaine that.

    4. Why is Friender the dog immortal, did he chew a bit on Luna, lol ?

    5. Why is Ringo still alive ? I mean Oji and Lyzue are ruined, and the only way to avoid ruin is getting healed by Luna but Ringo refused, so…

    6. What exactly happened to the humans, there are only few humans appearing in CS.

    7. Where hides Casshern his helmet ?!? We always see him with or without helmet.

    8. If Casshern is an immortal regenerator how comes he cant fully regenerate his helmet in the end epsiodes just like Dio couldn’t but Dio ISNT immortal like Casshern.

    9. Whats up with Braiking boss is he some wandering poet all of a sudden ?!?

    10. And the biggest mistery, why isn,t Casshern using his two pistols ?!?

    Anyway there are more unanswered questions but these are the ones I can think of right now. I recommend rather watching Trigun than this because it kinda reminded me a lil bit of Trigun on the depressing level. Cheers ^_^

  12. Aryo says:

    Can’t say I fully understood everything in CS but I’ll give you my take on those questions:

    1. My guess is that Braiking Boss wanted Luna’s death because she could “give death” to otherwise immortal robots (how? I have no idea). That backfired when Casshern “killed” her and her “death” flowed into the whole world, now known as “ruin”.

    2. As she is possibly of the same – if not higher – generation of robots like Casshern, Leda and Dio (probably Ringo, but that’s a special case anyway as she is the first? robot who grows older), killing her isn’t that easy (or even impossible) due the immense regenerative powers they possess.

    The bigger mystery is, why did Casshern not start to ruin, he was the person who was nearest when “death” spread. Possible explanation: Luna’s blood mixed into Casshern’s, key being here that Luna was immune to her own “death”.

    3. see 2

    4. Probably got the same regenerative powers as the others, he didn’t fight that much so that didn’t take a toll on him. However I think he maybe will ruin too, just slower.

    5. Seeing how she grows older, there must be cell division involved. That probably cancels out the degeneration of ruin (Braiking Boss’ experiment to create robots that are immune to Luna’s “death”?).

    6. That I really don’t know. They’re rarely shown throughout the series. The one we see is ill and dies, so there’s a possibility that ruin has a disease-like effect on them.

    7. Hammerspace! :P Depends of taste if you like mass shifting or not – anyway, Casshern and Dio seem to be capable of it. Probably he uses material of his own body to form the helm (or store it there), should be no problem with his regenerative powers.

    8. Casshern, Dio and Leda were all the same what terms of power and immortality concern before ruin started. They’re highly resistant to damage in general, but I believe if one of them would’ve gotten their arm ripped off they wouldn’t be able to regenerate the whole arm as if nothing happened. Tearing them apart requires immense brute force, “normal” robots couldn’t accomplish this feat as you saw when Casshern tried to get himself killed. When Dio commented “Casshern is breaking” I got the impression he meant a psychological level (his mind/soul), not on a physical level (his body).
    So Dio was the only one able to tear something of Casshern’s body apart, due to his unbelievable strengh, which is on par with Casshern’s or even higher. I believe Casshern wasn’t able to regenerate it OR didn’t want to and left the broken part of his helm to remind him of Dio.

    9. Don’t know what you mean, but I found it strange that Braiking Boss said he’s not going to make any more graves/put someone in a grave any more (can’t remember and already deleted the file so I can’t rewatch it) – yet, one episode later he charges at Casshern ;)
    Well, he probably knew he can’t put a dent in Casshern anyway so that statement might as well true in foresight :D

    10. Are those even pistols? I know Leda got her cool sword thingies, but Casshern and Dio did only use their fists and legs afair. To me those things seemed to be like some sort of jets to create thrust. This would explain their fighting style and their ability to partially fly/charge mid-air.

  13. supertauren says:

    i don’t understand how you thought this show was good..

    it definitely had potential but around half way through the show everything falls apart. terrible dialogue, half the show consist of characters calling each others name out -_-. terrible story, they don’t really solve any of the mysteries. this show was definitely NOT thought provoking by the way, i dont see how you could’ve thought this show as at all thought provoking. seeing casshern angst like a little girl half the time is not thought provoking. we get it, he doesn’t like to kill, we get it. him saying things like oh i dont really feel like im alive because i cant die or i want to die blah blah is not thought provoking..well unless you’re a monkey or something maybe. i seriously dont understand how you think that the ONLY flaw in this show is the rushed ending..the whole show was a pile of shit. the only thing that you could consider good about this show is the visuals and that’s about it. the music wasn’t that great, the action was TERRIBLE, the story was retarded and full of plot holes. by the way, the whole lyzue fantasy/dream/lololololwhat episodes were dumb too, we kinda got the picture of how she felt over the course of the previous episodes i dont see why they had to waste an episode showing the obvious. just thinking about me wasting time watching this show makes me angry. seriously though were you high whenever you watched this show? if you were that would explain a lot cause i could see myself enjoying this show a lot more and maybe even considering this show thought provoking or whatever, but seriously, this show is terrible. i dont know how your rating system works but if by 90 you mean like a 50 then id agree with you. terrible, absolutely TERRIBLE show.

  14. Aryo says:

    I think the one who was high was you, when posting this load of bullshit and insults.
    Criticizing the blogger’s views and his ratings in a mannered fashion is one thing, writing crap like that another.

    Seriously, if you thought it was soooo terrible, why did you watch it to the end instead of dropping it?

  15. supertauren says:

    i was hoping for a good ending, a surprise! but nope, disappointed. fair enough though i apologize for my comments, i went too far, sorry you’re right everyone has the right to rate a show however they want so i apologize.

  16. Thx Aryo ^_^ you put alot of thought into this series and your answers are pretty good and explain my question pretty reasonable. Some other cool stuff I found out about Casshern Sins is that this series could be be also named Mega Man X the Anime IMHO XD I mean look at Casshern if we would paint him blue remove his pistol/hover thingies and mount a blaster on his right hand he could be Mega Man X. Braiking Boss also resembles Sigma very much and the whole apocalyptic setting would actually fit in the whole Mega Man X universe and story. This could be soo good if it were Mega Man X because it doesnt resemble the orginal Casshern series at all, only in character setting, the whole story is different and I swear in the orginal series this thingies were actually laser pistols I dunno why they didnt made them as laser pistols in this one.

  17. Kurisu says:

    First of all, let me remind you of the most important and wise rule in the universe: If you don’t like it, don’t watch it! Even the allmighty god respected this rule when he told mankind to fuck off and disappeared in disappear.

    Anyway, Casshern SINS had an impressive visual style but it’s a bit of a one-trick pony and the animation isn’t all too fluid, the fights are actually impressively unimpressive and lacking in variation. They also relied on many scenes with close-ups that show little detail. I actually watched Shinsen’s SD version and I can hardly imagine it’s worth watching it in HD. The visual style lives completely by the bold, glowing colours and the softened edges.

    I didn’t find the dialogues natural at all, by the way. The voice actors speak as if it was a stage play in a theatre rather than a TV series. They sound slightly wooden, overly dramatic and many of the dialogues are rather dual-monologues. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate this acting style for a change once a while. Though I assume this style could imply more depth than there really is. It tried to be very symbolic. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see much under its pleasing cover. Especially, Casshern himself would have been highly annoying if the acting had been more realistic because he comes off rather dumb-struck and often talks like a broken record. It’s just the way he actually speaks that makes him still look intelligent.

    The ideas used for the plot are certainly not innovative but I doubt they wanted them to be. “Life is only meaningful by death”, the differences between robots and humans, those are actually issues that manga and anime discussed decades ago. The art was fresh, the content wasn’t.

    I found Casshern SINS very pleasing visually as well as the acting style and I wasn’t bored with it for a minute even though it became a bit of static half-way through. Nonetheless, in my opinion, it has much more style than substance.

  18. Solaris says:

    > Printul Noptii
    I swear in the orginal series this thingies were actually laser pistols I dunno why they didnt made them as laser pistols in this one
    They are and were jet pistols meant to boost or jump high.
    Old Casshern had indeed a laser attack, shooting from the helmet’s yellow V. That powerful shot deprived all of his Solar power supply and he became blind and weak.
    Yes, Casshern was once a cyborg far more than the his new self.
    It’s ironical how little robot are those of Casshern SINS’ ones.

  19. Aryo says:

    Thanks for clearing that up, Solaris
    Didn’t watch the old series yet, can’t anyway atm because most of the time it takes me around 6-9 hours depending on filesize to dl one episode due to my crappy UMTS internet, so I stick to the newer shows (since I won’t let my pc run 24/7 ;) ).

  20. Hasaan says:

    I feel for some reason compelled to point out that this show does start decent completely fails in the second half. I got so bored that I skipped the last 6-7 episodes and just saw the last 15 minutes of the final episode just to see what happenned. Very overrated show! (My 2 cents)

  21. Moe Sizlack says:

    If only they hired a writer, this show would have been amazing.
    I think the ending was retarded. The whole f*cking series everybody’s unhappy ’cause they’re gonna die, then Luna comes with a cure for everybody and nobody takes it. First everybody’s unhappy cause they’re gonna die, then all the main character’s are unhappy with Luna keeping people alive.

  22. gigantor21 says:

    This was a 7/10 series for me.

    I loved the art, and a few performances–Furuya was great as Casshan–but everything else was decent at best. The uneven writing and crappy ending pissed me off; I found the dialouge wildly pretentious.

    The series had a lot of potential which was never fully tapped.

  23. Z.N. Singer says:

    As most up here said – Casshern Sins was ten to twenty minutes away from being such a mind boggling all timer as to defy description. In fact, I think just thirty seconds more spent on the very last revelation of the show, which so neatly tied in and resolved (after a fashion) the themes of the show, so that it could properly replace the down feeling the whole fight with Luna developed, I could have given it a five out of five. Amazing how many of the best shows flub true perfection in the last ten minutes.

  24. Solaris says:

    I guess everyone need a comparison with the Old Casshern after all. This comparison is rather hard to do as there are almost 40 years of time difference between the two series. Anime has changed a lot in 40 years both in target, themes and in narrative structure.
    I’ll try to point out all of the differences and common traits between these two series, but please keep that in mind.

    Old Casshern was made at the time Great Robots (Go Nagai) style was the most popular format. These kind of anime were aimed mostly at kids back then. There was a neat distinction between good and evil, and the format was practically the same in every episode: Evil attacks, heroes counterattack and save the day. Meta plot is slowly developed in the entire serie, if present. Target eventually grew with decades, as anime viewer grew older and needed deeper stories and more developed character traits. Casshern, though being aimed at kids and being build with a fairly linear plot and format, showed a peculiar carachterization and environment, more suitable for an older target. Casshern has that kind of slow developing plot, but unless Super Robot anime, it had a somehow more complex story and environment to deal with. Good and Evil start to mix up in Casshern. The evil faction, the robot have their good reasons to behave like that, beyond the old boring “will to conquer the world” or such. Good faction have their weakness and dark side too. Casshern was mad by Tatsunoko as one serie in a row of three having much more deepness and dark environment than old super robot. These three series also share a common dark and desperate environment and common themes such as pollution and refuse of war and racism. So kid’s series made for the kids to reflect upon important matters like that. The three series are Casshern, Polymar and Tekkaman.

  25. DmonHiro says:

    Why are you comparing the new with the old? The only thing they have in common is that both shows have Casshern and some of his friends.

  26. Solaris says:

    You can read the plot’s premises here:
    After the prologue the plot slowly developed.
    Tetsuya changes himself into Casshern the android to cleanse his father’s reputation and save the world. Casshern is a lone hero that bring the burden of the destiny of the whole mankind. But he’s not human anymore, so he’s ostracized both from the machines and humans. Casshern starts his journey and meets people of different kind moving towards his archenemy fortress. At start human are unaware of Cacchern’s nature. He just seen as a super strong human of some kind, being able to torn apart robot barehanded. Well that’s some weakness of caracterization, but it worked somehow ^^. Eventually Robots are to discover Cahhern Nature and leak it to humans. During Cassherns journey he learns what humanity is really having witnessed human sorrow and lived side by side with the people. This part of the story has been repeated in Casshern Sins too, where Casshern Journey is meant for him to understand and accept his own nature. In Old Casshern we understand and accept human condition as depicted by the interaction between the main chars and the people they met and helped.
    A very special place is held by Friender and Luna, Casshern companions in the journey. Luna is a very fragile being, but finds strenght in his love for Tetsuya. She’s the archetype of the good woman in Japan. (if you’d want to marry one, be her be Luna *__*). Luna has got a weapon, her father’s memento, able to destroy robots but harmless to human. Luna’s weapon is also used to try harm Casshern at some point of the story. But Casshern was unaffected, thus throwing in doubts about the true nature of Casshern. Neither Human, nor robot or rather yet something else?
    The story slowly developed from its premise at the start of Casshern’s Journey linearly, adding a piece of information without substantial plot twists. There are some turning point event during the serie such as when robots finally discover Casshern’s nature or the last battle of humans or whern robot’s plan of Earth Environmental Restoration were discovered. Casshern’s char begins quite dark and despeate, becoming brighter with the help mainly of Luna.

  27. Solaris says:

    Casshern development is mainly similar to the last Casshern Sins serie, being alone with the burden of being the savior at start, reflecting about his own condition and human condition after, and resolving action in the last half of the story. The real main difference is Old Casshern is not an emo whining freak of some sort but a real hero with resolution and will to carry on.
    Casshern is afraid having given his own human nature for the sake of a powerful robotic body could change him in those fierceful and inhuman machines some day. So he started his journey alone. Luna struggles to stay with him at start, but eventually her presence saved him from loosing his humanity completely. Casshern is an hero as told the old way. An example for the people to rely on and continue struggling agains fate. Carachterization is the main difference between the old classic and new settlement of this story. Heroes don’t mean anything nowadays. Chars are modeled after otaku culture nowadays, so that they are everything but heroic in the first place, most like New Casshern. This is someone who has been given a title of antihero and doesn’t even know why and struggles and cries against it. A pityful being.

  28. Solaris says:

    @Dmonhiro: I was asked about it, expecially after giving a loto more credit to the old casshern in spite of the new. My answer was: Old Casshern better setting and char characterization as good side and linear and simpler but effective plot as worse side.

  29. DmonHiro says:

    While you make some good points, I can’t agree with your on the heroism. In Sins, Casshern was always the first try and help others, be it by guiding them, or protecting them. In fact, if he was anyone in danger, he would go help them, and only after that would her evaluate the situation. I guess that could also be because he knows he’s practically immortal, but I can’t see him as anything other then heroic.

  30. Solaris says:

    Dmonhiro, New Casshern isn’t heroic. He’s just the opposite: he’s an anti-hero, moved by is struggling fate, and not the saviour of mankind like Old Casshern. Sure a goodhearted char that helped friends isn’t heroic as the words suggested it, but just good-natured.
    Casshern Sins just turned upside down Casshern carachterization. The problem is they exceeded with negativity, changing the hero in a whiny emo. Good Casshern Sins just changes a bit halfway thanks to Luze and Ringo. Well it does help fighting for the sake of others…

  31. DmonHiro says:

    I think you have the wrong idea of what an anti-hero means. An anti-hero is someone who’s more of a vigilante, someone who may not be all that virtuous. Someone who is a jerk, but still has a good heart. That is NOT Casshern Sins, not by a long shot.

  32. Solaris says:

    Let’s quote wiki. Not the best source of information, but a nice reference at that.
    Look at what they say about the two figures: The hero is defined as a positive char with high moral or virtues with respect to the society. He’s usually somebody who performs an important but extremely dangerous task that nobody else could perform thus becoming an example for others.
    He could be the protagonist of a story, but usually is the symbol or reference of a virtue. Casshern old version respect the definition of epic hero, with the addition of superpowers.
    He is the man who accomplices the task of saving human kind at the price of his own humanity and suffer pain in the process.
    Now tell me now what kind of moral value or example of virtue does New Casshern remotely resemble?
    He’s clearly not an hero.
    An anti-hero is the negation of the concept of hero. One example is the vigilante, but that’s not Casshern Sins situation. There are other kind of antiheroes, depending what traits are negated.
    New Casshern sure doesn’t perform a task of great social importance, or at least he just happens to do that by chance.

  33. Solaris says:

    …continues from above
    New Casshern is not the maker of somebody’s else destiny, but struggles against his own destiny.
    He’s an anti-hero as destiny is forced against him. He eventually regains the traits of the hero later in the story, but that’s never for his own accord, rather than the events bring him to behave that way and eventually interaction with otjher chars saved him. New Casshern is an hero being saved by his own friends more than the opposite…
    That is to say New Casshern is negatively carachterized with the respect of the classical hero figure, as long as the Old one resembled that archetype closely.

  34. Sarah says:

    Need more casshern it a good show I really like it

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Whether you see one or the other is entirely up to your preferences, so it makes no difference to me which is worse. I have gotten very tired of generic character types, but again that's just because of the things I decide to regularly follow.
I will say if it must come down to either unnatural dialogue or unnatural character types, at leas the character type is speaking their own words and not the words of the script writer.
Or was that a black and white fallacy? Maybe it was a little of both.
@Realjustified, K-Off wasn't agreeing with me. That's a Moving the Goal Posts logical Fallacy but well I will answer regardless. Honestly it's preferable to have neither. The big mistake you are making here is that you are putting down a condiction that a show must have one or the other. But both cartoons and anime can have both. I just think it's a lot more prominent in cartoons than anime.
Like, having read hundreds of harem manga over the years, a majority of the ultimate love interest always happens to be the first girl the protagonist meets.
Wait wait wait wait. Aidan and K-Off. I get that dialogue in cartoon can seem like it was written by a script writer, but at the same time, lots of anime have characters whose sole purpose is entirely scripted. The whole spectrum of "deres" and everything. What do you think is worse? Unnatural dialogue, or unnatural character types?
You guys should really go fuck yourself, it's a solution and it's nothing short of great!
You guys should really watch the first 4 episodes of Bungo, it's a prequel and it was nothing short of great!
omg!! I just realized To be Hero was one of the show that I reviewed its 1st episode back in Chinese Animation post. I watched raw then though
forgive me if I'm a bit too overwhelmed by Flip Flappers... For this episode alone I took like 25 screenshots...trying to write a review now...
I have absolutely no idea what is going on in Flip Flappers plot. And yet for some reason I am OK with that.
Anyone out there that's a fan of crude humor should go watch ep.3 of To Be Hero. Certinately stepped it up a notch from the last two humor-wise.
One downside I can think of already is that I'm bound to lose or break one of the detachable controllers. The cost for those pieces is what I'm most interested in.
Nintendo Switch hmm? Honestly it looks too good to be true. I expect some major downsides to this thing.
I like cartoons, don't get me wrong. Certainly good for a change of pace. But there is something about the way they are written that I find rather distracting.
I don't know, maybe if I said it's like the difference from how characters talk in movie vs how characters talk in a sitcom?
@K-Off, I said one liner's or jokes. Not one liner jokes. It's hard to explain. Basically when I hear a conversation in anime even if it is based in stereotypes, it at least feels like a conversation that's being had in the moment. In cartoons however there is a layer of artificiality and it feels like characters know what a person is going to say and has a response prepared.
That's probably why some of my favorite anime in recent years haven't been very heavy on character archetypes, or were either parodies of it.
Comedic dialogue with anime in recent years have leaned too much on the idea of playing off character archetypes. The collected character vs the energetic character, for one. I'd like to see more variety. Some more word play, hyperbolic humor, body humor, etc etc.
@Aidan Not quite sure what you mean by that, because it's certainly not even a majority of cartoons that rely on cheap one liner jokes. I suppose it's entirely up to taste, but I can appreciate the energy in cartoons like Steven Universe or Regular Show when compared to the increasingly repetitive dialogue found in some recent anime.
@Topgavin: I just read that review and his main reason being Shelter is pretentious. oh well! Can't never please anyone.
Thought I'd check out the reviews for Shelter on MAl and the top review is a 1/10. Apparently because it's a cute girl we sympathise with her more, which is bad because reasons. I mean.. what? MAL never ceases to amaze me
@Mario, no. It's more that the dialogue keeps trying to push out one liners or jokes regardless of whose talking.
@Aidan: maybe because they spoke in your native language do you can feel that it's artificial, ya know? I know I have the same problem with Vietnamese drama/ cartoon and maybe Japanese people have that same issues with anime?
By which I mean, the way characters talk in cartoons is very...artificial. Like you can tell that the dialgoue was clearly written beforehand and it never really sounds natural. At least to me.
@Anon, I wouldn't. The writing and structure are too cartoon. What with the episodic nature and dialogue that generally pushes for a comedic tone.
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Flanagan also directed absentia which I haven't seen yet but I think someone I came across of 4chan linked it to being lovecraftian?
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Oculus was a film of two halves for me. Hush was a pretty standard home invasion thriller, making the victim deaf was an interesting twist but not as unique as you might think, still suspenseful though.
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I never saw the first oujia film. Though Mike Flanagan who did the sequel, he's never made a bad movie but he's never really made a great one either.
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I stick to the firm belief that cartoons and anime, visually should do and be their own thing. I'll prefer a western artstyle for cartoons rather than one pretending to look like anime style.
But this is a good topic and I'm sure everyone has their own opinions so I'm looking to hear some more arguments
@anon352392: no they aren't. For me not because of where their production based, nor their intended audience, but rather their styles, both visually and storytelling-ly, are different
Anime,” they assert, is not a “style” of illustration or animation.
That's where I differ to those guys. For me, anime is a style. In that sense, I consider RWBY, and Canadian-produced short Flutter as an anime. Thunderbolt Fantasy is not and anime-influence shows/movies that are intented for Western audience like AniMatrix or Afro Samurai are anime
@Anon nah they wouldn't be because they aren't made by a japanese producer for the japanese market. Quality isn't the question, production is
NX and Red Dead Redemption 2 trailers tomorrow.
They are good series and i honestly like them alot more than most anime series, would their quality make them anime?
What about cartoons like Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, Star Vs The Forces Of Evil?
In other news a sequel to an absolutely terrible horror movie called Ouija is out and it's...actually pretty good? Wondering if critics were paid off or it is legit good. Well it did have the guy who was behind Oculus and that was a pretty good movie.
Simplify the term down enough and anime is literally anything animated but the whole point of the term is to distinguish it. For to call Spongebob an anime makes me want to projectile vomit. Point is this, you say you watched a cartoon, people think Tom and jerry, Scooby doo etc. You say you watched an anime, people think Cowboy bebop, Attack on titan, etc. Whole point of the term.
For example, I don't consider Avatar or RWBY to be anime for while they use anime style, the writing is fundamentally structured like an American cartoon. Through I would consider Bloodivores an anime even though it was made by a Chinese animation company, making it technically a Chinese cartoon.
As far as what is and isn't anime I honestly think of the term as a means of distinguishing it from cartoon which gives the impression of being for children. It's like Graphic novel is to comic book. Though techically graphic novels are issues of comics bound in book form, the term Graphic novel is often used to distinguish works that go above superhero comics and whatnot.
Basically I think it was due to Porter Robinsons involvement that they didn't consider it anime.
@Aidan: Did the mods give any concrete reasons why they didn't consider it an anime?
@Mario, It wasn't the community that had the problem. It was the mods. The community made it pretty clear that they considered it anime.
So despite the art style is obviously anime, the character speaks in Japanese, and the production was animated by A1 Studios, it's not an anime? Sometimes I feel sad that the anime community keeps limiting themselves with such fixed minds.
I saw it yesterday and yes it was good. For a 5-minute story, they don't make it too overwhelme with details, and still pack an emotional punch. Moreover it elevates the song. Good stuffs.
Shelter was quite good though. It works well and the animation was beautiful. Song is not bad either. It's got a nice emotional punch to it though it's a bit simple a story.
Well anyway I only saw all this because I checked out the video for the first time and wanted to see how others thought of it with a quick scan through reddit. And I get this shitshow instead.
Playing the victim is the one really pisses off the internet. For refusing to admit you f*cked up only encourages people to shove how you f*cked up into your face. That's what really grinds peoples gears.
Yep, seen that too. The mods even put up another tread about the video and tried to guilt trip people by saying they got death threats. Look, internet rules 101. If you said or did something stupid admit to it and just walk away. Do not try to deflect blame or play the victim, that only adds fuel to the fire.
@Aidan oh yeah saw that live lol. Porter himself even commented on twitter about it, gotta love internet drama
So did anyone happen to catch the big old shitstorm of that Shelter music music when a mod of the Anime subreddit decided it wasn't "Anime" enough and removed the discussion post about it? Oh internet drama...what silly nonsense.
Finally caught up with JoJo. Diamond is Unbreakable has turned out to be much better than Stardust Crusaders. Should have waited for the season to finish through as I really loved marathoning it.
I had a feeling that might be the case considering the source materail for luger.
@Mario Oh I watched that, certinately worth it. Packed more story that some 12-episode shows do nowadays and gorgeous animation.
and I will check out "Shelter" music video to see what all the fuss is about
*this weekend to be exact.
Sounds like Luger Code 1951 is an OVA that will air next week, the same air date with "my" Zaregoto OVA.
@Mario: doesn't sound real at all to me lol
@Mario, I might be able to manage. If all else fails I can talk about the past of these historical figures.
While I don't mind watchinng Drifters, I swaer if I had to cover that show, I couldn't come up with anything to say.
Do you guys know what language the fairies speak in Drifters? It does sound like a genuine language
@topgavin: humanity has declined is a great show. It has good writing and dark, witty sense of humor. I could talk about it in length but psgels pretty much covered it all. He was really impressed by that show however.
That should be me covered till the weekend. Why do all my shows air on the weekend...
@Mario nah I've watched the whole thing but I'd heard about it at the start of this year and put it off. The dialogue between her and the fairies was great stuff, probably gonna rewatch it this weekend now that you mention it
Alright, I got three posts written up and will be throwing them out in about two hours or do.
I thought you've finished it. Yeah I love her character a lot, so cynical but witty. My favorite moment was when she read about fairy's plan to invent religions. She was like "so religions are invented?" (beat) "I've learn something new today". Priceless
@Mario Oh nice, it was one that I had heard about but never got round to. To put it in simple anime terms, Watashi is best girl
@topgavin: I just finished the series yo mentioned the other day: humanity is declined. Man, I love it. I know now I have a thing for dark twisted absurdist anime
@Ano340004: the name is Watashi ga Motete Dousunda, or to put it short Motete. I have fun with it but i'm not that enthuastic
@anon the english name is Kiss him, not me. Search through the first impressions if you need the jap name.
then that girl really loves BL (boy love)
what is the name of the anime that the girl is fat and then she got depressed because her favorite boy anime died then she got thin?
Season 7 is awesome so far too. It feels like the tone of the show is finally back to normal and it feels like Adventure Time again.
Whew, I binged all seasons of Adventure Time this weekend. The show hit a low spot in Season 6 but I think it needed to happen...Poor Finn needed the serious character development after what he did to FP.
You guys are too hard on it
Motete is very funny
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When it comes to gag manga and four-koma, I just eventually reach a stopping point with a comedy series in that format. Even with hidamari sketch.
I think it was typical light novel trash based on what was in the PV. I laughed that despite it being horrible that the crowd still cheered anyway, likely because it had a bath clip in it.
The PV was hilarious. I had no idea what the anime was about.
@Aidan I'm good, I'll stick with Working.
@K-Off, you could switch to something like Gi(a)rlish Number if you like. I for one am really digging the satire of the show. Plus I like that it's basically showing how an utter train-wreck of an anime can be made. That PV in the last episode was truly painful.
Feeling pretty disappointed with Working. I haven't gotten any more cynical with comedies, at least I don't think, and its flaws are so irritating.
@Adam Le, I find that with Comic book dialogue. Which is one of the reasons I have gone off marvel movies. Cartoons have it to a degree as well.
I love the instagram shots in Yuri
Maybe I can have a watch through those live action films and do a compare/contrast to see which version works better. After all movie and tv series are 2 different medium, and live-action vs animation is the topic that we never get tired of
speaking of which, the overlap between anime and live-action adaptation from manga is overwhelming. For this year alone, there were Erased, 3-gatsu no Lion, Fune o Amu, orange, and Chihayafuru (part 1&2). Those were just the ones I know.
@Adam: Don't know which genre you're into but you can try Fune o Amu (The Great Passage)
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I can't seem to get into any of these new shows. I don't know, the dialogue always seems off to me and the forced comedy is a big turn off.
Reminds me of a thought I had when I was last at the Getty art museum. People walking past works of art hundreds of years old, but only taking a second-long glance before moving on to the next one. Not their fault really, it's only the professional critics who can understand what they see with depth.
I'm the opposite really, they're getting paid for what they said so they better know their shits
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I suppose I'm slightly envious of professional critics somewhat.
Sometimes you're just meant to experience the ride you know. I don't watch those explained video anymore because after all it's just one guy's opinions.
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And I mean people who art professionals or students.
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I guess I'm just unsure of something, how many people watching "arty" stuff are able to pick it up on their own. By looking up an "explained video" or "explained essay" to get it, am I copping out?
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I feel like I've begun getting on board with the european art stuff but am really only scratching the surface with the Chinese and that stuff.
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And find myself missing whats going on sometimes.
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I'll admit I do find it frustrating, that even though I can like art films, emotionally connect at times, appreciate the visual techniques and admire them for being so different without looking up analysis by people far smarter than myself I honestly feel lost sometimes as to the meaning.
@Kaiser: Apichatphong Weerseethakul's films are so otherworldly and spiritual that I wouldn't dare to call them "dreams" anymore. Check out his "Uncle Boonmie", "Syndromes and a Century", "Cemetery of Splendors". he has such singular vision that just watch and experience his films are rewarding enough
@afgm: well, if we really go over-analyze it, bunnies can represent desire for example ^^
like eating sweet snow is so randomness for me
@Badesh: the things you said might be something I might do in the future. After all I love dissecting symbolism. But for Flip Flappers I need to know more what are intentional and what are randomness first
So Papika is corrupting Cocona? That would make some sense I guess
I mean I guess bunnies represent purity? Maybe?
@Kaiser: I mean yeah I get that things can be beautiful just because they're beautiful. But the effort comes in trying to connect that beauty and symbolism to the story as a whole, which is something I honestly struggle to do with Flip Flappers. It just seems pretty gratuitous at this point.
I don't know I think flip flappers is probably deeper than people might give it credit for. I just don't have the time or energy to piece together the abstraction. Doesn't mean that the meaning doesn't exist, it's just hard (and possibly misguided) to uncover it on the first run through.
but i don't want to get into a "who is right" argument. it was just a wish of mine to get to know the persons view of the world and not just be part of his daily mood
yeah, but i could happen that you grow intelectual but not personal ;)
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But theres no shame in watching a heavily thematic arthouse thing, liking it then going "didn't quite get/catch that" then looking up what it means.
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But for going into things, analyzing them, I wasn't saying thats wrong, when I meant overanaylsis I meant people making shit up that isn't actually there.
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And going too deep into thinking about that image shows the person is failing to understand that they were supposed to interact with it on an emotionally or spiritually intellectual level.
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Rather than de-mystifying that image or losing its enigma.
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I just think sometimes people forget that things can be entirely impressionistic or expressionist, people sometimes forget that images don't necessarily need a giant essay behind them or meaning or analysis. What I mean is you can have a 15 minute stretch of gorgeous looking images but the point is that you feel that or see the imagination and creativity because its beautiful.
It requires an understanding and a concept of life of the reviewer that highlights the right things, the things that widens the readers perspective, based on the narrow popculture consicousness that we have, sorry to be that dramatic...
Yeah, i don't mean that kind of overanalyzing :) so i.e. that beautiful picture of flip flappers to the left is so much more than the "character floating through an imaginary world" if you start to go into that, what it does with the viewers heart, you can write an essay weather it was the creators intention or not. that's the kind of thing i dream about and care to read
Of course afterwards they will certainly claim that they planned everything from the colour of toothpaste used but I take that with a grain of salt.
Plus the basic idea that the creator of a materiel is a complete mastermind who has internally planned out a massive series of symbolic comparisons and intricate threads which the vast majority of viewers would completely fail to see. And quite frankly, people just ain't that smart and have no reason to put in such massive effort.
The problem with overanalyzling however is that it's usually down to a series of simplifed concepts held together by a flimsy logical foundation. Like the ring theory of star wars.
...which is only achieved through what you call overanalyzing - at least in the internet world where only words count.
I wish people would "overanalyze" more. For me it get's pretty boring pretty fast to read something along the lines of "this wasn't good/perfect because i have seen better" - that's interesting as long as i need anothers opinion to get a feel for the materia. once you are somewhat experienced in life you only care for this sort of things if you know that persons view of the world...
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@Mario: Would you say the Apichatphong Weerseethakul's films are worth looking into as "dream" films, always wanted to get into his work but it seems....daunting.
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I'd imagine if you went looking you could probably find people who overanalyzed Eden of the east (as with anything) to where they saw something none of us could (or that they wanted to see). Something about young peopl in society was one look at it. But for me eden of the east was an undercooked thriller merged with a bad chick flick and the films ruined whatever good will I had for it.
I'm almost giddy with the possibility of this being the closest thing I get to Utena this decade (besides actual ikuhara works of course haha)
@ano327926: Boy, how true. agreed 100% with you here
"liberate pure illusion" is the new "revolutionize the world"
@mnei, that's hardly the only thing in Eden of the east that didn't make any sense. It was a great idea but boy...did the writing fail hard.
Anyone here watched Eden of East and got fucking confused as I do about why Akira had to wipe off his memories and ship NEETS to Dubai? He wasn't really deceived (in my opinion). He didn't have to send the NEETS anywhere either.
@Mario and from what I've heard, they skipped out a whoooole bunch of fanservicey training sessions that happened before the 1st episode. Dunno whether I'm happy or dissapointed with that
I swear Keijo's everyday training is much more intense than Saitama's
I goddamn love Drifters opening.
@Anon, the story improved in volume 3 but I don't think your issues with the show have really disappeared. So yes, it did get better but it still has it's issues.
Did RWBY get better in vol 3? I watched the first two and hated them but the designs of the girls are nice and the characters are even good, I just can't stand these graphics and that shitty plot or the comedy scenes in which it tries to copy anime humor. The "western" comedy is nice.
So RWBY volume 4 airs next week. Nice. I was actually going to write a review on RWBY and just never got around to it. Seeing as it's somewhat anime I say it's suitable for the site though honestly while it is anime styled, the writing is pure cartoon.
So that's Raising project, Drifters and Occult Nine for me.
@Topgavin, seeing as it was pretty much Top of the Preview poll(Besides Natsume but I am not the man to do Natsume.) I will do Occult Nine. I can at least have fun ripping it apart and comparing it to its contemporaries.
@Mario, for starters you can stop calling her a bitch. Flip Flappers is a classy lady so put you fapping aside and treat her good. So yep, it fine by me.
@Topgavin: He'll be fine.... I hope
Guess it'd be Raising project, Drifters and Keijo/Occult Nine..?
@Mario poor aidan, what shows are there left to cover?
@Friend: Ha! I'm really looking for RWBY 4 as well. At one time I was intended to blog RWBY 4 here but even for me (who tend to go off track), I know that covering RWBY would not be appropriate for this site. But I'll give each season a proper review in the World Animation section, I promise!
@Topgavin: I'm a bit underwhelmed with Izetta 2nd episode, but it's still a better-than-average show out there this season. Anw I'm now settled for Flip Flapers
@Vonter: Agreed with everything you said. I remember one of anime blog that I visited had that format: they break the episode down by time, and give their witty comments (sometime pics) alongside. I could see that format work very well for comedy, slice-of-life and shows with heavy symbolism...
So this season I'm blogging Sound Eupho 2, 3-gatsu no Lion and Flip Flappers
Aidan, having watched Flip Flappers, I'd say she's my bitch man. Not sure how to handle her yet but I promise I'll take good care of her ^^
...and you are banned for a day.
@psge1s usually fake names with capital i's work better than a 1
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