Posted by psgels on 16 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Casshern Sins


One of the most unique series to start airing in the past Fall Season was Casshern Sins: a remake of a super robot series that aired in the seventies, but one that went into a completely different direction with just about everything. The result is a highly stylish series with lots and lots of things to like about it.

If there ever was an award for “Best Character-Designs”, then this series would be one of the top contenders. The art style in this series is really unique, and in fact it’s one of the most outstanding ones I’ve seen in the past few years. Just about everything in this series is a visual feast, ranging from the wonderfully drawn characters to the astonishingly beautiful background art. The animation quality itself isn’t anything special for most of the time, but it doesn’t need to be: this series is beautiful enough, even without a huge budget.

This series also stands out in its style of storytelling. The dialogue flows very naturally, and yet it’s deep, meaningful and very inspired without trying to sound pretentious. The pacing is deliberately kept slow in order to squeeze all of the potential out of the characters. It really was my favourite part of this series, because the dialogue flows in this series unlike any other series I’ve seen.

Casshern sins is a series about destruction and immortality, and a quite thought-provoking one as well. while mystery isn’t its main focus, it asks lots of interesting questions throughout its airtime that keep the viewer busy. As the lot unravels more and more, it really is the type of plot that requires the user to think in order to understand it all, because not everything is spoon-fed on a silver platter.

However, do note that this isn’t a series that only gets better and better. It’s divided into two halves: the first half is basically a travelling series, where the main character meets lots of different people. The quality is pretty inconsistent: some of the best and worst episodes of the series can be found here. In the second half, the main story kicks in, and the series becomes much more consistent: it pretty much continues at a steady pace, it never hits any lows, but also any heights are absent. This can become disappointing if you were hyped by some of the truly outstanding episodes in the first half. It’s the sign that the charcter-development never really came together in the end, although it definitely tried.

The only other flaw of this series is a rushed ending, though. The creators just didn’t take enough time for that final episodes, and the twists just come too fast to make the impact they could have had. But still we have ourselves an excellent series here. It’s fresh, original and imaginative despite based on a 1970s series. It doesn’t quite have the material to become an outstanding series, but it nevertheless has been a delightful watch for me for the past six months.

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 10/10
Setting: 9/10

34 Responses

  1. Howling-kun says:

    Finally a 10/10 on Production Values there. :D

  2. IK says:

    definitely the most visually pleasing show in a long time.

  3. Snowolf says:

    Lol, I’m going to have a long review as well…but I agree with you on many parts, if not all things you’ve pointed out. :D
    I totally agree with fact that the ending was seriously rushed. If they had just gotten one or two more episodes..!!! But for so many crammed things in so little time, it did well. There are just so many loose ends that bother me. Like, the whole “I’ll be back yo” thing. They didn’t need to introduce that! And what happened to the Angel of Ruin? Weren’t they supposed to meet one day? (Ahem: like the end of the series perhaps?) And Luna still remains a mystery: both a positive and negative thing. The whole show is thought provoking, and very subtle- a quality that sadly most animes don’t have these days. The show really makes you think and connect the characters, their small but impactful dialogue, and such a deep development amongst such chaos. It’s a pretty and poetic portrayal of harsh magnitudes, and that’s what Casshern Sins excels in: exalted unity.
    I really did love seeing Ringo grow up though. That was a great concept. But like you said, they should have done that when they tied up all the loose ends. If given more time, i’m pretty sure CS would have been a jawdropping, morbid, OMGNOWAI kind of ending. I’m just sad that they didn’t give it one more episode/20 more minutes….

    In terms of art, Casshern Sins is like…delicious. I’ve never seen such a more daring style than this show, and the colors among with the harsh, crude lines just balance each other out. CS has one of the best arts I’ve seen in an anime, regardless of its reused cycles and low budget. Truly, CS deserves some merit for stretching the boundaries of what defines a classic and amazing anime. :D I’d give it a 93-95 because the second part was just so slow and expected. It was good, decent, but it lacked any awesome surprises that the first half had. And also taking points of such a slow start. The first time I watched CS it seemed like the worst thing created, but I bent my argument and watched it anyways. I’m glad now that I’ve made that choice.

  4. Windspirit says:

    The 10/10 in production values was highly deserved.

  5. midenz says:

    id gve it about u gave, pretty much wat u said was true xDD. anyways, great series. i totally enejoyed watching your reviews den watching the actual episode xdd except for the SPOILER one x] ! great job the reviewing the series, was great !

  6. TJ says:

    Definitely the most stylish series of the season. Excellent visuals and music. Too bad about the story pacing though.

  7. Chris says:

    It ended already? Spring truly is around the corner.

    Thanks for your dedication in blogging this series! I enjoyed every moment.

  8. TCoFA says:

    I pretty much agree with everything you said, except for one thing, the 90 points. Maybe it’s just me but I was always thinking in the direction of 6 = ok, 7 = entertaining, 8 = good, 9 = outstanding and 10 = impossible.

    I’d put casshern sins somewhere in the high 7’s or low 8’s. Enjoyable to watch, sometimes even really good, but the overall series didn’t ever reach a certain height when it comes to quality.

  9. Solaris says:

    Hi i’m back after a while and i’m here to give kudos to CxL. He was right: this serie absolutely doesn’t compare to the old one. There’s no connection, it’s all another setting and situations depicted.

    This Casshern is more similar to the live movie with its long and tedious rants against war and human myseries. Meaningless visual feast end cheap morals. To boring.
    It yet seemed to me another failed attempt to bust an average bad show with an old winner char.

    I didn’t watch to te last episode but yet i don’t expect too much. Everything was wrapped up in the last couple of episodes after 20 empty episodes, and given the too many chars left behind, i doubt they’ll wrap up something good.
    The issue with Dio is finished. Leda is still alive, Luna is still there and Braiking Boss decides to join the fight the last 10 seconds of the forelast episode. Omg!

    They did NOTHING for 20 episode and they burned down everithing in the grand finale. Wow, how clever!

    The chars seemed to wander around helplessly for the entire serie. Braiking, Flender, The old Bosses were just cameos from th very old serie more than active characters.

    Luna turned out an amazingly bad char. Her being alive ruined all the expectations of the first half serie. And yet it didn’t explain anithing, neither the changes in Kasshern and Luna herself, nor the great ruin thing. Ah yeah: “when you killed me all of my death flew out of me in the world” says she. That was cheap.

    About the visuals quality. At first the weird chara and stunning decayed environment shocked me, but that become boring soon after a while. Think about it: what backgrounds did you watch for the entire serie? Rusty deserts and beds of flowers. Was that enough? And about the animation? Casshern repeated always the same movements. The fights were always confused and bad animated. The graphics wasn’t really that great if you think about it!

    “Best” episode: #18 When Lyuze is dreaming and realizes she loves Casshern.
    Man! i want something of the stuff they smoke when the made it. Really! The whole episodes was mad nonsense.
    There we reached the climax of Casshern: a nonsense showoff of absurd characters.

    I really expected much of this serie, but that was one big disappointment.
    People, if you can really go watch the first serie. It’s graphics was old and outdated but it’s plot is lightyears ahead of this one. Its topics ae still actual nowadays, bearing with pollution, racism, war, science, love and much other.

  10. Machi says:

    I think for the last part what did fall short for me was the whole Braiking Boss and Luna union. Seeing as I thought Braiking Boss was well more or less regretful of the kingdom he once had and was pretty much resigned to death, I mean he was digging graves. Then suddenly you have a sort of 180 and he is the one to approach Luna asking for life, and a new kingdom. I think the conclusion would have been better with episode 23 rather than 24. Or perhaps 24 would be good minus the whole Braiking Boss Luna union, they could just lengthen the death of Oji and Lyuze along with Ringo growing up.
    Leda really was more built up to be final boss material but then they just scrapped that in favor of Braiking Boss. I think the finale could indeed have been pulled off better had they just opted with Leda, she didn’t need to die perhaps just go somewhat berserk till she regains her senses. In any case its really a shame what they did by making the Braiking Boss finale. Still I did thoroughly enjoy the series, even with the weakness of 24 (23 really was a good enough conclusion) the dialogue and characters for me still allowed the series to shine.

  11. I finally watched CS till the end and I will give this anime an 7/10. This is indeed an very stylish yet depressing anime which deals with the end of the world/humanity and imortality. The story is easy to follow but gets kinda complicated at the end and actually I am left with alot of questions unanswered.

    1. Why is everyone ruined ?!? I mean Luna isn,t dead. And what is “being ruined” they never explain why this is happening, only explaination is because of Lunas death ehm ?!?

    2. Why is Luna actually alive and everyone says she died.

    3. How did Luna survive Casshern ? They never explaine that.

    4. Why is Friender the dog immortal, did he chew a bit on Luna, lol ?

    5. Why is Ringo still alive ? I mean Oji and Lyzue are ruined, and the only way to avoid ruin is getting healed by Luna but Ringo refused, so…

    6. What exactly happened to the humans, there are only few humans appearing in CS.

    7. Where hides Casshern his helmet ?!? We always see him with or without helmet.

    8. If Casshern is an immortal regenerator how comes he cant fully regenerate his helmet in the end epsiodes just like Dio couldn’t but Dio ISNT immortal like Casshern.

    9. Whats up with Braiking boss is he some wandering poet all of a sudden ?!?

    10. And the biggest mistery, why isn,t Casshern using his two pistols ?!?

    Anyway there are more unanswered questions but these are the ones I can think of right now. I recommend rather watching Trigun than this because it kinda reminded me a lil bit of Trigun on the depressing level. Cheers ^_^

  12. Aryo says:

    Can’t say I fully understood everything in CS but I’ll give you my take on those questions:

    1. My guess is that Braiking Boss wanted Luna’s death because she could “give death” to otherwise immortal robots (how? I have no idea). That backfired when Casshern “killed” her and her “death” flowed into the whole world, now known as “ruin”.

    2. As she is possibly of the same – if not higher – generation of robots like Casshern, Leda and Dio (probably Ringo, but that’s a special case anyway as she is the first? robot who grows older), killing her isn’t that easy (or even impossible) due the immense regenerative powers they possess.

    The bigger mystery is, why did Casshern not start to ruin, he was the person who was nearest when “death” spread. Possible explanation: Luna’s blood mixed into Casshern’s, key being here that Luna was immune to her own “death”.

    3. see 2

    4. Probably got the same regenerative powers as the others, he didn’t fight that much so that didn’t take a toll on him. However I think he maybe will ruin too, just slower.

    5. Seeing how she grows older, there must be cell division involved. That probably cancels out the degeneration of ruin (Braiking Boss’ experiment to create robots that are immune to Luna’s “death”?).

    6. That I really don’t know. They’re rarely shown throughout the series. The one we see is ill and dies, so there’s a possibility that ruin has a disease-like effect on them.

    7. Hammerspace! :P Depends of taste if you like mass shifting or not – anyway, Casshern and Dio seem to be capable of it. Probably he uses material of his own body to form the helm (or store it there), should be no problem with his regenerative powers.

    8. Casshern, Dio and Leda were all the same what terms of power and immortality concern before ruin started. They’re highly resistant to damage in general, but I believe if one of them would’ve gotten their arm ripped off they wouldn’t be able to regenerate the whole arm as if nothing happened. Tearing them apart requires immense brute force, “normal” robots couldn’t accomplish this feat as you saw when Casshern tried to get himself killed. When Dio commented “Casshern is breaking” I got the impression he meant a psychological level (his mind/soul), not on a physical level (his body).
    So Dio was the only one able to tear something of Casshern’s body apart, due to his unbelievable strengh, which is on par with Casshern’s or even higher. I believe Casshern wasn’t able to regenerate it OR didn’t want to and left the broken part of his helm to remind him of Dio.

    9. Don’t know what you mean, but I found it strange that Braiking Boss said he’s not going to make any more graves/put someone in a grave any more (can’t remember and already deleted the file so I can’t rewatch it) – yet, one episode later he charges at Casshern ;)
    Well, he probably knew he can’t put a dent in Casshern anyway so that statement might as well true in foresight :D

    10. Are those even pistols? I know Leda got her cool sword thingies, but Casshern and Dio did only use their fists and legs afair. To me those things seemed to be like some sort of jets to create thrust. This would explain their fighting style and their ability to partially fly/charge mid-air.

  13. supertauren says:

    i don’t understand how you thought this show was good..

    it definitely had potential but around half way through the show everything falls apart. terrible dialogue, half the show consist of characters calling each others name out -_-. terrible story, they don’t really solve any of the mysteries. this show was definitely NOT thought provoking by the way, i dont see how you could’ve thought this show as at all thought provoking. seeing casshern angst like a little girl half the time is not thought provoking. we get it, he doesn’t like to kill, we get it. him saying things like oh i dont really feel like im alive because i cant die or i want to die blah blah is not thought provoking..well unless you’re a monkey or something maybe. i seriously dont understand how you think that the ONLY flaw in this show is the rushed ending..the whole show was a pile of shit. the only thing that you could consider good about this show is the visuals and that’s about it. the music wasn’t that great, the action was TERRIBLE, the story was retarded and full of plot holes. by the way, the whole lyzue fantasy/dream/lololololwhat episodes were dumb too, we kinda got the picture of how she felt over the course of the previous episodes i dont see why they had to waste an episode showing the obvious. just thinking about me wasting time watching this show makes me angry. seriously though were you high whenever you watched this show? if you were that would explain a lot cause i could see myself enjoying this show a lot more and maybe even considering this show thought provoking or whatever, but seriously, this show is terrible. i dont know how your rating system works but if by 90 you mean like a 50 then id agree with you. terrible, absolutely TERRIBLE show.

  14. Aryo says:

    I think the one who was high was you, when posting this load of bullshit and insults.
    Criticizing the blogger’s views and his ratings in a mannered fashion is one thing, writing crap like that another.

    Seriously, if you thought it was soooo terrible, why did you watch it to the end instead of dropping it?

  15. supertauren says:

    i was hoping for a good ending, a surprise! but nope, disappointed. fair enough though i apologize for my comments, i went too far, sorry you’re right everyone has the right to rate a show however they want so i apologize.

  16. Thx Aryo ^_^ you put alot of thought into this series and your answers are pretty good and explain my question pretty reasonable. Some other cool stuff I found out about Casshern Sins is that this series could be be also named Mega Man X the Anime IMHO XD I mean look at Casshern if we would paint him blue remove his pistol/hover thingies and mount a blaster on his right hand he could be Mega Man X. Braiking Boss also resembles Sigma very much and the whole apocalyptic setting would actually fit in the whole Mega Man X universe and story. This could be soo good if it were Mega Man X because it doesnt resemble the orginal Casshern series at all, only in character setting, the whole story is different and I swear in the orginal series this thingies were actually laser pistols I dunno why they didnt made them as laser pistols in this one.

  17. Kurisu says:

    First of all, let me remind you of the most important and wise rule in the universe: If you don’t like it, don’t watch it! Even the allmighty god respected this rule when he told mankind to fuck off and disappeared in disappear.

    Anyway, Casshern SINS had an impressive visual style but it’s a bit of a one-trick pony and the animation isn’t all too fluid, the fights are actually impressively unimpressive and lacking in variation. They also relied on many scenes with close-ups that show little detail. I actually watched Shinsen’s SD version and I can hardly imagine it’s worth watching it in HD. The visual style lives completely by the bold, glowing colours and the softened edges.

    I didn’t find the dialogues natural at all, by the way. The voice actors speak as if it was a stage play in a theatre rather than a TV series. They sound slightly wooden, overly dramatic and many of the dialogues are rather dual-monologues. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate this acting style for a change once a while. Though I assume this style could imply more depth than there really is. It tried to be very symbolic. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see much under its pleasing cover. Especially, Casshern himself would have been highly annoying if the acting had been more realistic because he comes off rather dumb-struck and often talks like a broken record. It’s just the way he actually speaks that makes him still look intelligent.

    The ideas used for the plot are certainly not innovative but I doubt they wanted them to be. “Life is only meaningful by death”, the differences between robots and humans, those are actually issues that manga and anime discussed decades ago. The art was fresh, the content wasn’t.

    I found Casshern SINS very pleasing visually as well as the acting style and I wasn’t bored with it for a minute even though it became a bit of static half-way through. Nonetheless, in my opinion, it has much more style than substance.

  18. Solaris says:

    > Printul Noptii
    I swear in the orginal series this thingies were actually laser pistols I dunno why they didnt made them as laser pistols in this one
    They are and were jet pistols meant to boost or jump high.
    Old Casshern had indeed a laser attack, shooting from the helmet’s yellow V. That powerful shot deprived all of his Solar power supply and he became blind and weak.
    Yes, Casshern was once a cyborg far more than the his new self.
    It’s ironical how little robot are those of Casshern SINS’ ones.

  19. Aryo says:

    Thanks for clearing that up, Solaris
    Didn’t watch the old series yet, can’t anyway atm because most of the time it takes me around 6-9 hours depending on filesize to dl one episode due to my crappy UMTS internet, so I stick to the newer shows (since I won’t let my pc run 24/7 ;) ).

  20. Hasaan says:

    I feel for some reason compelled to point out that this show does start decent completely fails in the second half. I got so bored that I skipped the last 6-7 episodes and just saw the last 15 minutes of the final episode just to see what happenned. Very overrated show! (My 2 cents)

  21. Moe Sizlack says:

    If only they hired a writer, this show would have been amazing.
    SPOILER BELOW!!!!:
    I think the ending was retarded. The whole f*cking series everybody’s unhappy ’cause they’re gonna die, then Luna comes with a cure for everybody and nobody takes it. First everybody’s unhappy cause they’re gonna die, then all the main character’s are unhappy with Luna keeping people alive.

  22. gigantor21 says:

    This was a 7/10 series for me.

    I loved the art, and a few performances–Furuya was great as Casshan–but everything else was decent at best. The uneven writing and crappy ending pissed me off; I found the dialouge wildly pretentious.

    The series had a lot of potential which was never fully tapped.

  23. Z.N. Singer says:

    As most up here said – Casshern Sins was ten to twenty minutes away from being such a mind boggling all timer as to defy description. In fact, I think just thirty seconds more spent on the very last revelation of the show, which so neatly tied in and resolved (after a fashion) the themes of the show, so that it could properly replace the down feeling the whole fight with Luna developed, I could have given it a five out of five. Amazing how many of the best shows flub true perfection in the last ten minutes.

  24. Solaris says:

    I guess everyone need a comparison with the Old Casshern after all. This comparison is rather hard to do as there are almost 40 years of time difference between the two series. Anime has changed a lot in 40 years both in target, themes and in narrative structure.
    I’ll try to point out all of the differences and common traits between these two series, but please keep that in mind.

    Introduction:
    Old Casshern was made at the time Great Robots (Go Nagai) style was the most popular format. These kind of anime were aimed mostly at kids back then. There was a neat distinction between good and evil, and the format was practically the same in every episode: Evil attacks, heroes counterattack and save the day. Meta plot is slowly developed in the entire serie, if present. Target eventually grew with decades, as anime viewer grew older and needed deeper stories and more developed character traits. Casshern, though being aimed at kids and being build with a fairly linear plot and format, showed a peculiar carachterization and environment, more suitable for an older target. Casshern has that kind of slow developing plot, but unless Super Robot anime, it had a somehow more complex story and environment to deal with. Good and Evil start to mix up in Casshern. The evil faction, the robot have their good reasons to behave like that, beyond the old boring “will to conquer the world” or such. Good faction have their weakness and dark side too. Casshern was mad by Tatsunoko as one serie in a row of three having much more deepness and dark environment than old super robot. These three series also share a common dark and desperate environment and common themes such as pollution and refuse of war and racism. So kid’s series made for the kids to reflect upon important matters like that. The three series are Casshern, Polymar and Tekkaman.

  25. DmonHiro says:

    Why are you comparing the new with the old? The only thing they have in common is that both shows have Casshern and some of his friends.

  26. Solaris says:

    You can read the plot’s premises here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Human_Casshern
    After the prologue the plot slowly developed.
    Tetsuya changes himself into Casshern the android to cleanse his father’s reputation and save the world. Casshern is a lone hero that bring the burden of the destiny of the whole mankind. But he’s not human anymore, so he’s ostracized both from the machines and humans. Casshern starts his journey and meets people of different kind moving towards his archenemy fortress. At start human are unaware of Cacchern’s nature. He just seen as a super strong human of some kind, being able to torn apart robot barehanded. Well that’s some weakness of caracterization, but it worked somehow ^^. Eventually Robots are to discover Cahhern Nature and leak it to humans. During Cassherns journey he learns what humanity is really having witnessed human sorrow and lived side by side with the people. This part of the story has been repeated in Casshern Sins too, where Casshern Journey is meant for him to understand and accept his own nature. In Old Casshern we understand and accept human condition as depicted by the interaction between the main chars and the people they met and helped.
    A very special place is held by Friender and Luna, Casshern companions in the journey. Luna is a very fragile being, but finds strenght in his love for Tetsuya. She’s the archetype of the good woman in Japan. (if you’d want to marry one, be her be Luna *__*). Luna has got a weapon, her father’s memento, able to destroy robots but harmless to human. Luna’s weapon is also used to try harm Casshern at some point of the story. But Casshern was unaffected, thus throwing in doubts about the true nature of Casshern. Neither Human, nor robot or rather yet something else?
    The story slowly developed from its premise at the start of Casshern’s Journey linearly, adding a piece of information without substantial plot twists. There are some turning point event during the serie such as when robots finally discover Casshern’s nature or the last battle of humans or whern robot’s plan of Earth Environmental Restoration were discovered. Casshern’s char begins quite dark and despeate, becoming brighter with the help mainly of Luna.

  27. Solaris says:

    Characters
    Casshern development is mainly similar to the last Casshern Sins serie, being alone with the burden of being the savior at start, reflecting about his own condition and human condition after, and resolving action in the last half of the story. The real main difference is Old Casshern is not an emo whining freak of some sort but a real hero with resolution and will to carry on.
    Casshern is afraid having given his own human nature for the sake of a powerful robotic body could change him in those fierceful and inhuman machines some day. So he started his journey alone. Luna struggles to stay with him at start, but eventually her presence saved him from loosing his humanity completely. Casshern is an hero as told the old way. An example for the people to rely on and continue struggling agains fate. Carachterization is the main difference between the old classic and new settlement of this story. Heroes don’t mean anything nowadays. Chars are modeled after otaku culture nowadays, so that they are everything but heroic in the first place, most like New Casshern. This is someone who has been given a title of antihero and doesn’t even know why and struggles and cries against it. A pityful being.

  28. Solaris says:

    @Dmonhiro: I was asked about it, expecially after giving a loto more credit to the old casshern in spite of the new. My answer was: Old Casshern better setting and char characterization as good side and linear and simpler but effective plot as worse side.

  29. DmonHiro says:

    While you make some good points, I can’t agree with your on the heroism. In Sins, Casshern was always the first try and help others, be it by guiding them, or protecting them. In fact, if he was anyone in danger, he would go help them, and only after that would her evaluate the situation. I guess that could also be because he knows he’s practically immortal, but I can’t see him as anything other then heroic.

  30. Solaris says:

    Dmonhiro, New Casshern isn’t heroic. He’s just the opposite: he’s an anti-hero, moved by is struggling fate, and not the saviour of mankind like Old Casshern. Sure a goodhearted char that helped friends isn’t heroic as the words suggested it, but just good-natured.
    Casshern Sins just turned upside down Casshern carachterization. The problem is they exceeded with negativity, changing the hero in a whiny emo. Good Casshern Sins just changes a bit halfway thanks to Luze and Ringo. Well it does help fighting for the sake of others…

  31. DmonHiro says:

    I think you have the wrong idea of what an anti-hero means. An anti-hero is someone who’s more of a vigilante, someone who may not be all that virtuous. Someone who is a jerk, but still has a good heart. That is NOT Casshern Sins, not by a long shot.

  32. Solaris says:

    Let’s quote wiki. Not the best source of information, but a nice reference at that.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epic_hero
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antihero
    Look at what they say about the two figures: The hero is defined as a positive char with high moral or virtues with respect to the society. He’s usually somebody who performs an important but extremely dangerous task that nobody else could perform thus becoming an example for others.
    He could be the protagonist of a story, but usually is the symbol or reference of a virtue. Casshern old version respect the definition of epic hero, with the addition of superpowers.
    He is the man who accomplices the task of saving human kind at the price of his own humanity and suffer pain in the process.
    Now tell me now what kind of moral value or example of virtue does New Casshern remotely resemble?
    He’s clearly not an hero.
    An anti-hero is the negation of the concept of hero. One example is the vigilante, but that’s not Casshern Sins situation. There are other kind of antiheroes, depending what traits are negated.
    New Casshern sure doesn’t perform a task of great social importance, or at least he just happens to do that by chance.

  33. Solaris says:

    …continues from above
    New Casshern is not the maker of somebody’s else destiny, but struggles against his own destiny.
    He’s an anti-hero as destiny is forced against him. He eventually regains the traits of the hero later in the story, but that’s never for his own accord, rather than the events bring him to behave that way and eventually interaction with otjher chars saved him. New Casshern is an hero being saved by his own friends more than the opposite…
    That is to say New Casshern is negatively carachterized with the respect of the classical hero figure, as long as the Old one resembled that archetype closely.

  34. Sarah says:

    Need more casshern it a good show I really like it

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I think too often shows and films, American ones today, are tokenistic or clicheed with inserting issues, merely just throwing them in or tacking them on for the sake of ticking boxes rather than any earnesty or doing anything.
Anonymous3086853
@SuperMario - I do. Yet at the same time it was a bit outside of my comfort zone, watching something like this considering that (let's be honest) msot shows are men oriented. Even the ones with great female characters. This one despite having tomboyish girls is mainly about these girls with male characters having supporting roles. I suppose that's were the uneasiness lies in my case.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Just got done watching both earlier, his dark humour jives well with me and I liked the concept.
SuperMario
@Kaiser @Animosh: if you haven't seen World of Tomorrow plsssss check it out. I can't recommend it highly enough
SuperMario
@Vonter: Maybe it's a good things that shows for general audiences like this have queer context. Don't you think?
Anonymous3086853
Also because I'm a bit immature, this show is kinda gay. There's a lot of ship baiting moments, one same sex couple in the last episode and rainbows, pastel colors, emasculated male characters and some female crossdressing.
Anonymous3086853
The weakest aspect is that several secondary characters get lost in the shuffle. Kinda like Big Hero 6 in which the team had personalities but just didn't had the time to develop in any meaningful way. Still both the main cast and villains were good and like I say the protagonist and antagonist had strong arcs for a first season.
Anonymous3086853
So I now finished watching She Ra, and it got even better as it was building towards the season's end. Thes strongest aspect is the rivalry between Adora and Catra, the chemistry is very strong, kinda like Optimus and Megatron or Xavier and Magneto. In which both parts seem equally capable and to have mind games with the other.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh hey cool, rain town is done by the Penguin hhighway anime movie guy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It looks like I haven't seen Don Hertzfedlts World of tomorrow films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also Prince Achmed and How Wang-Fo Was Saved.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah. yes, thanks animosh, I had a look at Rain town there, I like the style it was done in, it achieves the emotions its trying to convey well without needing dialogue, piano score actually helps rather than hinders.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Glassy ocean, that was another short I watched lately.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh inka isha is country doctor.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know Mario has seen this style on animation, but anyone else see any oil on glass animation?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually prefer robot carnival to genius party but liked both.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Zepo, The Pride of Strathmoor were recent animated shorts I watched.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Recently I watched two shorts, death and the mother and pleasures of war.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd say any eastern european short films would be worth anyones time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not familiar with rain town or Inaka Isha .
Amagi
Kaiser: Have you seen Inaka Isha from Kafka?
Animosh
In the meanwhile, though, I'd also be very interested in recommendations! The shorts I mentioned are among my favorite animated works, so if you know anything similar, please let me know. :)
Animosh
For western animation I really like the Don Hertzfeldt shorts. And there was this short called "Rain Town" that was really impressively animated. I'm sure there were others, but my long-term memory is pretty lousy. If something else comes to mind I'll let you know.
Animosh
I'm pretty sure you're already going to be familiar with all of my favorites, but here you go: Morimoto's shorts are all fantastic (Dimension Bomb, Beyond, Noiseman Sound Insect, etc), and two others that come to mind are Cat Soup and Kigeki (or Comedy) by Nakazawa. There are also some great collections out there (like the Genius Party ones), but again, you've probably seen those already.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If anyone has any suggestions for weird short animations, I'm looking for excuses to watch some more and I'm in the mood for them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: Mario's youtube link had cgi models of rem and ram in the video.
Masky
I'm confused when was Rem even mentioned
Kaiser-Eoghan
I only ever watched he-man and stuff related to it in passing when I was younger, Conan was more my thing back then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
For so long I'd always referred to she-ra as she-man.
AidanAK47
@Mario, What is this heresy!
....
....Rems always cute.
Anonymous3084910
Hilda is fine, though is very laidback kinda like a young reader's novel. It has its moments but its fantasy with slice-of-life coming of age.
Anonymous3084910
@SuperMario Yeah I know, She Ra is the twin sister of He Man. But strangely it seems Dreamworks may not have the right to those characters. It was a marketing idea trying to bring more girls to that universe but like most girls show from the time it had a very flat depiction of what little girls want to see.
SuperMario
Sorry Aidan, I know it's blasphemy but I have to post here. Enjoy the OP song with the twins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9MUjISNm0U&index=4&list=PLU56jBSlcHw8-ol9Hi4lJ0GR0tU6EOf2a
SuperMario
I'll probably check out Hilda. Heard a lot of hypes about that show
SuperMario
@Vonter: I've heard of She-Ra, she's the female counterpart (well, sister) of He-Man (the most powerful man in the universe and the secret identity of Prince Adam). Sounds silly but I'm not even kidding
Vonter
All in all, despite not being a big thing, I think is an enjoyable recommendation. My only nitpick is that it maybe too light hearted for some kinda like above My Little Pony but below something Voltron. Also despite being less childish than the original is still kinda of girly with lots of pastel colors although it balances it a bit having girls being more tomboyish in different degrees.
Vonter
Like with Voltron it amuses me seeing anime tropes being played through western lens. Since I'm a bit hesitant to say that could this count as a harem series despite not being male gaze moments? Also having the most sensible hotspring episode I've seen.
Vonter
In this one this She Ra has pathos. A bit like Korra there's doubt in her role and also a complicated relationship with her rival. I do like the role reversal in the knight's tale this clearly is, in that most roles that would be played by men are played by women in this story. Matriarchy, displacement of both femminine beauty but also empowerment.
Vonter
So I've watched some of the new She Ra from Netflix. So far I'm in, it's not deep but it's quite charismatic. I do like there's more pathos in regards to these characters which pretty much were confined to their archetype to an extreme like the original Power Rangers.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It manages to make watching something like running engaging, when I'd otherwise probably not watch the sport. Also, last week the show ended up popping into my head when I was sitting around doing pretty much nothing and made me think "Ok fuck it, not sitting around doing nothing, going to go out for a run around the block"
Lenlo
I also agree, characters losing in sports is important. They can't start at the top, it makes the series lose meaning
Lenlo
I quite enjoyed Kaze Fui this week. I think your correct that the one who got the reality check was Kurahara, who thought he was the only one able to actually make it. I also thing that he has a competitive streak a mile wide, and might be a little afraid of failure. Doesnt think the team can make it, so why bother
Kaiser-Eoghan
Think I wasn't i the mood for honda-san this week even though I laughed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know I like it when sports series actually show the characters you know...actually lose.
Anonymous3083989
Huh, interesting in this episode of Kaze ga that it's Kakeru who got a reality check during the track meet since he was beaten by two other runners. I think we're due for an episode soon where he has to confront his past demons instead of fleeing from them.
Anonymous3083626
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Aging in fiction, I think has more to do with the story than the characters. I mean the jokes about Ash Ketchum, Detective Conan, Archie. The Flinstones tried to make different stories by aging Pebbles and Bam Bam. Or Batman having two Robins graduating into their own heroes. But in the end dynamics change, hence why most cartoons don't age the characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which is why when aging does occur in anime/manga, such as in vinland saga or nanoha for example, its appreciated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And of course, animated characters often don't age much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can remember enjoying the simpsons movie back when I watched it, but thinking about it it really was just an extended episode. Really the show peaked with the who shot Mr Burns episode. Catching bits of recent episodes and seeing them use modern stuff while they never age seems weird too.
Amagi
I do think series are allowed to move forward though, I am kinda interested in the Pkmn movie for example. But certain shows should just end, Simpsons for example was a parody of the 90s, it just can't work in a more modern setting IMO.
Amagi
I stopped with the Simpsons when Maude was killed/died, it was just a step in the wrong direction they should have never done and it killed the series for me. I disliked it before already though, I think I noticed the series getting worse since season..9? Or 10, not sure anymore.
Amagi
Anime for Dorohedoro announced.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Therefore ruining the fanservice fun for everybody.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite beach episodes are ones where it rains and they end up not being able to go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
After that it was just the film for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually, regarding the simpsons, the episode I stopped on was sometime in the early 2000s, Homer was stuck on some island resort or something.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I suppose it was just as much a case of falling out of watching/playing too and then there being so many episodes/games catchup was impossible. I probably should read the manga someday.
Anonymous3081957
@Kaiser-Eoghan -Kinda like Sponge Bob, Power Rangers or The Simpsons, I can't blame those who move forward, It's imposible for a show to go that long without losing steam. I did check the Sun and Moon first season and while I think the personality and energy is better it doesn't exactly push the concept forward. Still somehow Pokemon is still a phenomenon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: Very strange hearing a Pikachu talk with Ryan Reynolds voice. But my days of pokemon are behind me.
KyokoHyuga
?????
KyokoHyuga
who likes pokemon here
SuperMario
@Amagi: I think the person who made the sub for Maquia did a pretty neat job. Not perfect but the translation flows well
Vonter
We've seen realistic Pokémon fanart, but how does a movie looks when it attempts it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CKgQFo5U8
Amagi
How are the subs for Maquia? I only heard anons complain about it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*dealing with
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though you should really torrent it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is 1080p stream on kiss anime, if you hate deal with the ads on that site the 4up stream on anilinkz has the best quality of the available links
Lenlo
Where did you see Maquia online? I still need to watch it. PM it to me on discord maybe? Pretty please? <3
SuperMario
One fact that not many people know is that Penguin Highway is penned by Tomihiko Morimi. It indeed has many Morimi's signature inputs
SuperMario
This year, I'm doing well with catching up anime films (kudos for Australian's Madman who always license these titles very quickly). So far, I've watched Mirai, Maquia, Penguin Highway, Let Me Eat Your Pancreas and My Hero Academia the Movie
SuperMario
So I watched two anime movies this last week, Penguin Highway in theatre and Maquia online. Both of them are pretty solid in general, especially Penguin that has magical realism elements and some great chemistry. Whereas Mari Okada's writting still rubs me in the wrong way sometimes
Lenlo
D: He did, back in August actually apparently
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I heard Dino's voice actor died.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If we all took Goblin slayers attitude to trolls, then we would more easily ignore the trolls =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
Big twist in the golden kamuy manga.
Animosh
@SuperMario: remember that in the voice drama Rikka mentioned talking to Yuuta in their classroom during the ball game. Pretty sure it's about that.
SuperMario
@Animosh: i just watched the episode and noticed the lyrics as well. "The Promise" seems vague at the moment. Could be between Yuuta and whoever fits but I agree the "save someone from boredom" is about Akane
Animosh
You learn something every day. ;) Honestly though, I actually skipped the opening, so I hadn't even noticed that it had been translated until others pointed it out. And most of the time the lyrics are just cheesy one-liners, so I usually don't pay much attention to them either. But once in a while there's some nice hints hidden in there...
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know I never really ever paid attention to the lyrics in anime openings, I'd never thought to.
Animosh
The Gridman OP has been translated for the first time, and there's some pretty interesting reveals in there: it mentions a "promise" made in a classroom (so now we know how Yuuta and Rikka bonded in the past - glad it wasn't a simple confession), and talks of "rescuing" someone (presumably Akane) from boredom. So I guess she'll join the good guys eventually?
Lenlo
1200 words. I need to stop writing so much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I haven't seen last weeks episode of Irozuku or this weeks =< I'm waiting now for a bit to see if the series paysoff.
Animosh
Goddamn those magic segments in Irozuku were stunning! It's a shame its humdrum drama can't live up to its visual beauty, but I'll take it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think Ash's design is based a bit on River phoneix.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry Eiji but your Ash is in another castle.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@CoolerAnon: I was about to say that. Kidnapping gets used alot in shojo.
Anonymous3072040
Yeah Ash is basically Princess Peach
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I share your concerns, I don't know what studio is doing it. Some people want it to be mappa, some don't want it to be polygon pictures to adapt it. Its and long and violent manga, with some very funny at times dark humour, it could end up rushed and/or censored.
Anonymous3072021
As much as I love Dorohedoro I'm unsure if I should be happy or worried at it getting an adaptation, it isn't exactly the kind of story I imagine being easy to adapt well.
Lenlo
Yeah, I am touching on that in my writeup as we speak. The compressed story is causing Ash to be captured every other week.
Animosh
I agree Banana Fish was great this week though! My only gripe is that I'm getting sick and tired of seeing Ash get kidnapped again and again. He just escaped a couple of episodes ago! And he's just a lot more fun to watch when he's out there doing stuff.
Animosh
In a way the fights actually feel more realistic to me than those in Banana Fish. Sure, they're fantastical, bizarre even, but its battle system has a clear internal logic, and generally no power is infallible (each has its limitations). In Banana Fish the fights are rather poorly thought out by comparison. Their purpose is more to make Ash look cool than to give him realistic hurdles to overcome.
Animosh
@Kaiser: what sets Jojo apart from other battle shounen for me is how ridiculously creative its fights can get. Part 2 already shows some signs of this, but the introduction of the Stand system in Part 3 pushes it to another level, and in Part 4 the fights are consistently awesome. There are no simple beam struggles here: every fight is a battle of wits, between people with wildly different powers
Niel
Vinland Saga anime, and Now Dorohedoro just got announced. i'm really liking this trend.
Lenlo
Lots to writeup on Banana Fish this week.
Lenlo
Just finished it, I really like Blanca.
Lenlo
Because Jackie Chan and his stunt crew are some of the best in the world. There is a reason he has to insure his guys from his own pocket. No agency will take them
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have no idea how the hell Jackie Chan is still alive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Action works best for me when I really feel that theres danger involved. Thats why when some actors do their own stunts, you can fear for the actors life, and also the character.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And thats why I'm a big fan of all that Chinese martial arts stuff from the 60s and 70s, that really expertly crafted chereography.
Lenlo
As for action, I like good choreography more than any super powers. Its why Cowboy Bebop, Seirei no Moribito, Sword of the Stranger and some Naruto fights are fantastic.
Lenlo
Im about to watch this weeks episode, so this chat makes me hopeful. I agree Ash and Eiji are the backbone of the series, and yeah me and Kaiser both agreed that the Gang war aspect was pretty weak, though I thought the finish with Arthur wasnt half bad
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I think Banana fish has a great grit to it for this reason.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm even more thankful to Banana fish too for that it keeps the action within the bounds of out of fantasy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've always been kind of a guns and swords and kungfu gut.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Black lagoons great example of anime action I can get behind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I always found weapon combat and fist/kicking combat more raw and real,tangible than beamspam.
Anonymous3070972
But yeah if you're not a fan supernatural power fantasy action shounens, then maybe not your cup of tea, and that's totally cool
Anonymous3070972
Oh also if I'm recommending a fight from part 4, I'd say check out Highway Star
Anonymous3070972
Kira is a pretty cool villain though; he's always underpowered compared to the main heroes, but manages to somehow get out of the situation with luck or smarts; if nothing else, I'd recommend watching some Youtube clips
Anonymous3070972
*Turn off. lol.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its more than, even when I was younger supernatural power fantasy action shounen never appealed to me.
Anonymous3070972
Admittedly JoJo always has bad with exposition though, and always will be just due to the style, so that can definitely be a turn on for some people
Anonymous3070972
If you like slice of life with hijinks and a murder mystery combined with cool battles, you'll like part 4
Anonymous3070972
Yeah I can see why you might not like part 1 & 2, they were made in the 80s; I'd recommend part 4 and part 5 (ongoing rn) tbh, I feel like those are better for a modern viewing experience
Anonymous3070972
I used to think that BF's greatest strength was the plot; know I realize it's really about Ash & Eiji's connection first and foremost: as good as the plot can be, Ash & Eiji's relationship is absolutely the backbone.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Also that scene where Ash is thinking to himself, looking over Eiji.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nah, I pretty much gave up on jojo midway through part 2.
Anonymous3070771
Also, anybody notice Blanca's VA is Kira (from Diamond is Unbreakable)? What a wonderful duwang!
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: The producer guy Miyano is voicing, much like the show is irritating because the show has this "look at me look at me" feel to it, it just comes off as desperate to me and this is just going by the one episode I watched and hated.
Anonymous3070771
What's that damn piano song that plays when Ash and Eiji are talking about Japan. It's too good. For some reason, it's really magical
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I was the one who said that.
@Niello: You don't need to see steins; gate zero, myself and lenlo discussed it to death as it was airing, its all over the place. I like the original too but after a while of the first half being fun, I just wanted it to start.
Anonymous3070771
Phew, great episode of BF; whoever said the gang war stuff was the weakest point was right. this stuff is getting fantastic again.
Niello
Also I agree, Zombieland first episode was amazing, second episode is still rather great, and then the other episodes have just been meh.
Niello
In Zombieland it doesn't help that the character he's voicing with that tone is an asshole, which isn't a good combination because it's making him more annoying by the episode.
Niello
Steins;Gate is pretty good, but I don't think I like it nearly as much as most people do (I gave it a 7/10). I also haven't bothered with Steins;Gate 0. And although I didn't mind Myano in Steins;Gate, I didn't particularly like his voice there either.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love the sombreness of Blanca's character. Poor Ash, so broken in this episode.
AidanAK47
Yeah after episode 2 it's been a downgrade. Zombieland is still alright to watch but it really has become what it parodied.
Vonter
Zombieland sadly has winded down. I mean it was expected but still I was hoping some more creative attempts to use in the typical genre. It'll have been better if they had waken up more slowly in order to flesh the archetypes a bit more. It still has charismatic moments though.
Lenlo
Really Niello? See, I like it because it's the voice we never got in Steins;Gate 0. Its Okabe's Kyouma voice, and I have a nostalgic love for it
Masky
Wasn't gyary isekai another one that existed?
Niello
I hate Miyano voice in Zombieland Saga and find him annoying tbh.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am getting sick of self aware humour though. I see this show as something that was fun to make (such as Miyano seems to be feeling based on performances) but not fun for me to watch and that kind of extends to the manager who while I agree would be the best part of the show, I stopped finding funny after the joke was done.
Lenlo
For me, the main selling point of Zombieland Saga was always Miyano. I love this mans crazy voice.

And in regards to Isekai, discounting this most recent one, SAO actually is pretty good this season so far. Kirito is still bland, but its taking things a lot slower and actually building the world. Its taking its time with 52 episodes
Kaiser-Eoghan
By the sound of it, if some who liked the first episodes don't care for the ones beyond those two episode, then I'm glad I stopped watching.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I did flick through episode 2 but the rap battle thing was particularly awful.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I couldn't stand the humour and have up on the show after the first half of episode 1.
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