Posted by psgels on 16 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Casshern Sins

One of the most unique series to start airing in the past Fall Season was Casshern Sins: a remake of a super robot series that aired in the seventies, but one that went into a completely different direction with just about everything. The result is a highly stylish series with lots and lots of things to like about it.

If there ever was an award for “Best Character-Designs”, then this series would be one of the top contenders. The art style in this series is really unique, and in fact it’s one of the most outstanding ones I’ve seen in the past few years. Just about everything in this series is a visual feast, ranging from the wonderfully drawn characters to the astonishingly beautiful background art. The animation quality itself isn’t anything special for most of the time, but it doesn’t need to be: this series is beautiful enough, even without a huge budget.

This series also stands out in its style of storytelling. The dialogue flows very naturally, and yet it’s deep, meaningful and very inspired without trying to sound pretentious. The pacing is deliberately kept slow in order to squeeze all of the potential out of the characters. It really was my favourite part of this series, because the dialogue flows in this series unlike any other series I’ve seen.

Casshern sins is a series about destruction and immortality, and a quite thought-provoking one as well. while mystery isn’t its main focus, it asks lots of interesting questions throughout its airtime that keep the viewer busy. As the lot unravels more and more, it really is the type of plot that requires the user to think in order to understand it all, because not everything is spoon-fed on a silver platter.

However, do note that this isn’t a series that only gets better and better. It’s divided into two halves: the first half is basically a travelling series, where the main character meets lots of different people. The quality is pretty inconsistent: some of the best and worst episodes of the series can be found here. In the second half, the main story kicks in, and the series becomes much more consistent: it pretty much continues at a steady pace, it never hits any lows, but also any heights are absent. This can become disappointing if you were hyped by some of the truly outstanding episodes in the first half. It’s the sign that the charcter-development never really came together in the end, although it definitely tried.

The only other flaw of this series is a rushed ending, though. The creators just didn’t take enough time for that final episodes, and the twists just come too fast to make the impact they could have had. But still we have ourselves an excellent series here. It’s fresh, original and imaginative despite based on a 1970s series. It doesn’t quite have the material to become an outstanding series, but it nevertheless has been a delightful watch for me for the past six months.

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 10/10
Setting: 9/10

34 Responses

  1. Howling-kun says:

    Finally a 10/10 on Production Values there. :D

  2. IK says:

    definitely the most visually pleasing show in a long time.

  3. Snowolf says:

    Lol, I’m going to have a long review as well…but I agree with you on many parts, if not all things you’ve pointed out. :D
    I totally agree with fact that the ending was seriously rushed. If they had just gotten one or two more episodes..!!! But for so many crammed things in so little time, it did well. There are just so many loose ends that bother me. Like, the whole “I’ll be back yo” thing. They didn’t need to introduce that! And what happened to the Angel of Ruin? Weren’t they supposed to meet one day? (Ahem: like the end of the series perhaps?) And Luna still remains a mystery: both a positive and negative thing. The whole show is thought provoking, and very subtle- a quality that sadly most animes don’t have these days. The show really makes you think and connect the characters, their small but impactful dialogue, and such a deep development amongst such chaos. It’s a pretty and poetic portrayal of harsh magnitudes, and that’s what Casshern Sins excels in: exalted unity.
    I really did love seeing Ringo grow up though. That was a great concept. But like you said, they should have done that when they tied up all the loose ends. If given more time, i’m pretty sure CS would have been a jawdropping, morbid, OMGNOWAI kind of ending. I’m just sad that they didn’t give it one more episode/20 more minutes….

    In terms of art, Casshern Sins is like…delicious. I’ve never seen such a more daring style than this show, and the colors among with the harsh, crude lines just balance each other out. CS has one of the best arts I’ve seen in an anime, regardless of its reused cycles and low budget. Truly, CS deserves some merit for stretching the boundaries of what defines a classic and amazing anime. :D I’d give it a 93-95 because the second part was just so slow and expected. It was good, decent, but it lacked any awesome surprises that the first half had. And also taking points of such a slow start. The first time I watched CS it seemed like the worst thing created, but I bent my argument and watched it anyways. I’m glad now that I’ve made that choice.

  4. Windspirit says:

    The 10/10 in production values was highly deserved.

  5. midenz says:

    id gve it about u gave, pretty much wat u said was true xDD. anyways, great series. i totally enejoyed watching your reviews den watching the actual episode xdd except for the SPOILER one x] ! great job the reviewing the series, was great !

  6. TJ says:

    Definitely the most stylish series of the season. Excellent visuals and music. Too bad about the story pacing though.

  7. Chris says:

    It ended already? Spring truly is around the corner.

    Thanks for your dedication in blogging this series! I enjoyed every moment.

  8. TCoFA says:

    I pretty much agree with everything you said, except for one thing, the 90 points. Maybe it’s just me but I was always thinking in the direction of 6 = ok, 7 = entertaining, 8 = good, 9 = outstanding and 10 = impossible.

    I’d put casshern sins somewhere in the high 7’s or low 8’s. Enjoyable to watch, sometimes even really good, but the overall series didn’t ever reach a certain height when it comes to quality.

  9. Solaris says:

    Hi i’m back after a while and i’m here to give kudos to CxL. He was right: this serie absolutely doesn’t compare to the old one. There’s no connection, it’s all another setting and situations depicted.

    This Casshern is more similar to the live movie with its long and tedious rants against war and human myseries. Meaningless visual feast end cheap morals. To boring.
    It yet seemed to me another failed attempt to bust an average bad show with an old winner char.

    I didn’t watch to te last episode but yet i don’t expect too much. Everything was wrapped up in the last couple of episodes after 20 empty episodes, and given the too many chars left behind, i doubt they’ll wrap up something good.
    The issue with Dio is finished. Leda is still alive, Luna is still there and Braiking Boss decides to join the fight the last 10 seconds of the forelast episode. Omg!

    They did NOTHING for 20 episode and they burned down everithing in the grand finale. Wow, how clever!

    The chars seemed to wander around helplessly for the entire serie. Braiking, Flender, The old Bosses were just cameos from th very old serie more than active characters.

    Luna turned out an amazingly bad char. Her being alive ruined all the expectations of the first half serie. And yet it didn’t explain anithing, neither the changes in Kasshern and Luna herself, nor the great ruin thing. Ah yeah: “when you killed me all of my death flew out of me in the world” says she. That was cheap.

    About the visuals quality. At first the weird chara and stunning decayed environment shocked me, but that become boring soon after a while. Think about it: what backgrounds did you watch for the entire serie? Rusty deserts and beds of flowers. Was that enough? And about the animation? Casshern repeated always the same movements. The fights were always confused and bad animated. The graphics wasn’t really that great if you think about it!

    “Best” episode: #18 When Lyuze is dreaming and realizes she loves Casshern.
    Man! i want something of the stuff they smoke when the made it. Really! The whole episodes was mad nonsense.
    There we reached the climax of Casshern: a nonsense showoff of absurd characters.

    I really expected much of this serie, but that was one big disappointment.
    People, if you can really go watch the first serie. It’s graphics was old and outdated but it’s plot is lightyears ahead of this one. Its topics ae still actual nowadays, bearing with pollution, racism, war, science, love and much other.

  10. Machi says:

    I think for the last part what did fall short for me was the whole Braiking Boss and Luna union. Seeing as I thought Braiking Boss was well more or less regretful of the kingdom he once had and was pretty much resigned to death, I mean he was digging graves. Then suddenly you have a sort of 180 and he is the one to approach Luna asking for life, and a new kingdom. I think the conclusion would have been better with episode 23 rather than 24. Or perhaps 24 would be good minus the whole Braiking Boss Luna union, they could just lengthen the death of Oji and Lyuze along with Ringo growing up.
    Leda really was more built up to be final boss material but then they just scrapped that in favor of Braiking Boss. I think the finale could indeed have been pulled off better had they just opted with Leda, she didn’t need to die perhaps just go somewhat berserk till she regains her senses. In any case its really a shame what they did by making the Braiking Boss finale. Still I did thoroughly enjoy the series, even with the weakness of 24 (23 really was a good enough conclusion) the dialogue and characters for me still allowed the series to shine.

  11. I finally watched CS till the end and I will give this anime an 7/10. This is indeed an very stylish yet depressing anime which deals with the end of the world/humanity and imortality. The story is easy to follow but gets kinda complicated at the end and actually I am left with alot of questions unanswered.

    1. Why is everyone ruined ?!? I mean Luna isn,t dead. And what is “being ruined” they never explain why this is happening, only explaination is because of Lunas death ehm ?!?

    2. Why is Luna actually alive and everyone says she died.

    3. How did Luna survive Casshern ? They never explaine that.

    4. Why is Friender the dog immortal, did he chew a bit on Luna, lol ?

    5. Why is Ringo still alive ? I mean Oji and Lyzue are ruined, and the only way to avoid ruin is getting healed by Luna but Ringo refused, so…

    6. What exactly happened to the humans, there are only few humans appearing in CS.

    7. Where hides Casshern his helmet ?!? We always see him with or without helmet.

    8. If Casshern is an immortal regenerator how comes he cant fully regenerate his helmet in the end epsiodes just like Dio couldn’t but Dio ISNT immortal like Casshern.

    9. Whats up with Braiking boss is he some wandering poet all of a sudden ?!?

    10. And the biggest mistery, why isn,t Casshern using his two pistols ?!?

    Anyway there are more unanswered questions but these are the ones I can think of right now. I recommend rather watching Trigun than this because it kinda reminded me a lil bit of Trigun on the depressing level. Cheers ^_^

  12. Aryo says:

    Can’t say I fully understood everything in CS but I’ll give you my take on those questions:

    1. My guess is that Braiking Boss wanted Luna’s death because she could “give death” to otherwise immortal robots (how? I have no idea). That backfired when Casshern “killed” her and her “death” flowed into the whole world, now known as “ruin”.

    2. As she is possibly of the same – if not higher – generation of robots like Casshern, Leda and Dio (probably Ringo, but that’s a special case anyway as she is the first? robot who grows older), killing her isn’t that easy (or even impossible) due the immense regenerative powers they possess.

    The bigger mystery is, why did Casshern not start to ruin, he was the person who was nearest when “death” spread. Possible explanation: Luna’s blood mixed into Casshern’s, key being here that Luna was immune to her own “death”.

    3. see 2

    4. Probably got the same regenerative powers as the others, he didn’t fight that much so that didn’t take a toll on him. However I think he maybe will ruin too, just slower.

    5. Seeing how she grows older, there must be cell division involved. That probably cancels out the degeneration of ruin (Braiking Boss’ experiment to create robots that are immune to Luna’s “death”?).

    6. That I really don’t know. They’re rarely shown throughout the series. The one we see is ill and dies, so there’s a possibility that ruin has a disease-like effect on them.

    7. Hammerspace! :P Depends of taste if you like mass shifting or not – anyway, Casshern and Dio seem to be capable of it. Probably he uses material of his own body to form the helm (or store it there), should be no problem with his regenerative powers.

    8. Casshern, Dio and Leda were all the same what terms of power and immortality concern before ruin started. They’re highly resistant to damage in general, but I believe if one of them would’ve gotten their arm ripped off they wouldn’t be able to regenerate the whole arm as if nothing happened. Tearing them apart requires immense brute force, “normal” robots couldn’t accomplish this feat as you saw when Casshern tried to get himself killed. When Dio commented “Casshern is breaking” I got the impression he meant a psychological level (his mind/soul), not on a physical level (his body).
    So Dio was the only one able to tear something of Casshern’s body apart, due to his unbelievable strengh, which is on par with Casshern’s or even higher. I believe Casshern wasn’t able to regenerate it OR didn’t want to and left the broken part of his helm to remind him of Dio.

    9. Don’t know what you mean, but I found it strange that Braiking Boss said he’s not going to make any more graves/put someone in a grave any more (can’t remember and already deleted the file so I can’t rewatch it) – yet, one episode later he charges at Casshern ;)
    Well, he probably knew he can’t put a dent in Casshern anyway so that statement might as well true in foresight :D

    10. Are those even pistols? I know Leda got her cool sword thingies, but Casshern and Dio did only use their fists and legs afair. To me those things seemed to be like some sort of jets to create thrust. This would explain their fighting style and their ability to partially fly/charge mid-air.

  13. supertauren says:

    i don’t understand how you thought this show was good..

    it definitely had potential but around half way through the show everything falls apart. terrible dialogue, half the show consist of characters calling each others name out -_-. terrible story, they don’t really solve any of the mysteries. this show was definitely NOT thought provoking by the way, i dont see how you could’ve thought this show as at all thought provoking. seeing casshern angst like a little girl half the time is not thought provoking. we get it, he doesn’t like to kill, we get it. him saying things like oh i dont really feel like im alive because i cant die or i want to die blah blah is not thought provoking..well unless you’re a monkey or something maybe. i seriously dont understand how you think that the ONLY flaw in this show is the rushed ending..the whole show was a pile of shit. the only thing that you could consider good about this show is the visuals and that’s about it. the music wasn’t that great, the action was TERRIBLE, the story was retarded and full of plot holes. by the way, the whole lyzue fantasy/dream/lololololwhat episodes were dumb too, we kinda got the picture of how she felt over the course of the previous episodes i dont see why they had to waste an episode showing the obvious. just thinking about me wasting time watching this show makes me angry. seriously though were you high whenever you watched this show? if you were that would explain a lot cause i could see myself enjoying this show a lot more and maybe even considering this show thought provoking or whatever, but seriously, this show is terrible. i dont know how your rating system works but if by 90 you mean like a 50 then id agree with you. terrible, absolutely TERRIBLE show.

  14. Aryo says:

    I think the one who was high was you, when posting this load of bullshit and insults.
    Criticizing the blogger’s views and his ratings in a mannered fashion is one thing, writing crap like that another.

    Seriously, if you thought it was soooo terrible, why did you watch it to the end instead of dropping it?

  15. supertauren says:

    i was hoping for a good ending, a surprise! but nope, disappointed. fair enough though i apologize for my comments, i went too far, sorry you’re right everyone has the right to rate a show however they want so i apologize.

  16. Thx Aryo ^_^ you put alot of thought into this series and your answers are pretty good and explain my question pretty reasonable. Some other cool stuff I found out about Casshern Sins is that this series could be be also named Mega Man X the Anime IMHO XD I mean look at Casshern if we would paint him blue remove his pistol/hover thingies and mount a blaster on his right hand he could be Mega Man X. Braiking Boss also resembles Sigma very much and the whole apocalyptic setting would actually fit in the whole Mega Man X universe and story. This could be soo good if it were Mega Man X because it doesnt resemble the orginal Casshern series at all, only in character setting, the whole story is different and I swear in the orginal series this thingies were actually laser pistols I dunno why they didnt made them as laser pistols in this one.

  17. Kurisu says:

    First of all, let me remind you of the most important and wise rule in the universe: If you don’t like it, don’t watch it! Even the allmighty god respected this rule when he told mankind to fuck off and disappeared in disappear.

    Anyway, Casshern SINS had an impressive visual style but it’s a bit of a one-trick pony and the animation isn’t all too fluid, the fights are actually impressively unimpressive and lacking in variation. They also relied on many scenes with close-ups that show little detail. I actually watched Shinsen’s SD version and I can hardly imagine it’s worth watching it in HD. The visual style lives completely by the bold, glowing colours and the softened edges.

    I didn’t find the dialogues natural at all, by the way. The voice actors speak as if it was a stage play in a theatre rather than a TV series. They sound slightly wooden, overly dramatic and many of the dialogues are rather dual-monologues. Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate this acting style for a change once a while. Though I assume this style could imply more depth than there really is. It tried to be very symbolic. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see much under its pleasing cover. Especially, Casshern himself would have been highly annoying if the acting had been more realistic because he comes off rather dumb-struck and often talks like a broken record. It’s just the way he actually speaks that makes him still look intelligent.

    The ideas used for the plot are certainly not innovative but I doubt they wanted them to be. “Life is only meaningful by death”, the differences between robots and humans, those are actually issues that manga and anime discussed decades ago. The art was fresh, the content wasn’t.

    I found Casshern SINS very pleasing visually as well as the acting style and I wasn’t bored with it for a minute even though it became a bit of static half-way through. Nonetheless, in my opinion, it has much more style than substance.

  18. Solaris says:

    > Printul Noptii
    I swear in the orginal series this thingies were actually laser pistols I dunno why they didnt made them as laser pistols in this one
    They are and were jet pistols meant to boost or jump high.
    Old Casshern had indeed a laser attack, shooting from the helmet’s yellow V. That powerful shot deprived all of his Solar power supply and he became blind and weak.
    Yes, Casshern was once a cyborg far more than the his new self.
    It’s ironical how little robot are those of Casshern SINS’ ones.

  19. Aryo says:

    Thanks for clearing that up, Solaris
    Didn’t watch the old series yet, can’t anyway atm because most of the time it takes me around 6-9 hours depending on filesize to dl one episode due to my crappy UMTS internet, so I stick to the newer shows (since I won’t let my pc run 24/7 ;) ).

  20. Hasaan says:

    I feel for some reason compelled to point out that this show does start decent completely fails in the second half. I got so bored that I skipped the last 6-7 episodes and just saw the last 15 minutes of the final episode just to see what happenned. Very overrated show! (My 2 cents)

  21. Moe Sizlack says:

    If only they hired a writer, this show would have been amazing.
    I think the ending was retarded. The whole f*cking series everybody’s unhappy ’cause they’re gonna die, then Luna comes with a cure for everybody and nobody takes it. First everybody’s unhappy cause they’re gonna die, then all the main character’s are unhappy with Luna keeping people alive.

  22. gigantor21 says:

    This was a 7/10 series for me.

    I loved the art, and a few performances–Furuya was great as Casshan–but everything else was decent at best. The uneven writing and crappy ending pissed me off; I found the dialouge wildly pretentious.

    The series had a lot of potential which was never fully tapped.

  23. Z.N. Singer says:

    As most up here said – Casshern Sins was ten to twenty minutes away from being such a mind boggling all timer as to defy description. In fact, I think just thirty seconds more spent on the very last revelation of the show, which so neatly tied in and resolved (after a fashion) the themes of the show, so that it could properly replace the down feeling the whole fight with Luna developed, I could have given it a five out of five. Amazing how many of the best shows flub true perfection in the last ten minutes.

  24. Solaris says:

    I guess everyone need a comparison with the Old Casshern after all. This comparison is rather hard to do as there are almost 40 years of time difference between the two series. Anime has changed a lot in 40 years both in target, themes and in narrative structure.
    I’ll try to point out all of the differences and common traits between these two series, but please keep that in mind.

    Old Casshern was made at the time Great Robots (Go Nagai) style was the most popular format. These kind of anime were aimed mostly at kids back then. There was a neat distinction between good and evil, and the format was practically the same in every episode: Evil attacks, heroes counterattack and save the day. Meta plot is slowly developed in the entire serie, if present. Target eventually grew with decades, as anime viewer grew older and needed deeper stories and more developed character traits. Casshern, though being aimed at kids and being build with a fairly linear plot and format, showed a peculiar carachterization and environment, more suitable for an older target. Casshern has that kind of slow developing plot, but unless Super Robot anime, it had a somehow more complex story and environment to deal with. Good and Evil start to mix up in Casshern. The evil faction, the robot have their good reasons to behave like that, beyond the old boring “will to conquer the world” or such. Good faction have their weakness and dark side too. Casshern was mad by Tatsunoko as one serie in a row of three having much more deepness and dark environment than old super robot. These three series also share a common dark and desperate environment and common themes such as pollution and refuse of war and racism. So kid’s series made for the kids to reflect upon important matters like that. The three series are Casshern, Polymar and Tekkaman.

  25. DmonHiro says:

    Why are you comparing the new with the old? The only thing they have in common is that both shows have Casshern and some of his friends.

  26. Solaris says:

    You can read the plot’s premises here:
    After the prologue the plot slowly developed.
    Tetsuya changes himself into Casshern the android to cleanse his father’s reputation and save the world. Casshern is a lone hero that bring the burden of the destiny of the whole mankind. But he’s not human anymore, so he’s ostracized both from the machines and humans. Casshern starts his journey and meets people of different kind moving towards his archenemy fortress. At start human are unaware of Cacchern’s nature. He just seen as a super strong human of some kind, being able to torn apart robot barehanded. Well that’s some weakness of caracterization, but it worked somehow ^^. Eventually Robots are to discover Cahhern Nature and leak it to humans. During Cassherns journey he learns what humanity is really having witnessed human sorrow and lived side by side with the people. This part of the story has been repeated in Casshern Sins too, where Casshern Journey is meant for him to understand and accept his own nature. In Old Casshern we understand and accept human condition as depicted by the interaction between the main chars and the people they met and helped.
    A very special place is held by Friender and Luna, Casshern companions in the journey. Luna is a very fragile being, but finds strenght in his love for Tetsuya. She’s the archetype of the good woman in Japan. (if you’d want to marry one, be her be Luna *__*). Luna has got a weapon, her father’s memento, able to destroy robots but harmless to human. Luna’s weapon is also used to try harm Casshern at some point of the story. But Casshern was unaffected, thus throwing in doubts about the true nature of Casshern. Neither Human, nor robot or rather yet something else?
    The story slowly developed from its premise at the start of Casshern’s Journey linearly, adding a piece of information without substantial plot twists. There are some turning point event during the serie such as when robots finally discover Casshern’s nature or the last battle of humans or whern robot’s plan of Earth Environmental Restoration were discovered. Casshern’s char begins quite dark and despeate, becoming brighter with the help mainly of Luna.

  27. Solaris says:

    Casshern development is mainly similar to the last Casshern Sins serie, being alone with the burden of being the savior at start, reflecting about his own condition and human condition after, and resolving action in the last half of the story. The real main difference is Old Casshern is not an emo whining freak of some sort but a real hero with resolution and will to carry on.
    Casshern is afraid having given his own human nature for the sake of a powerful robotic body could change him in those fierceful and inhuman machines some day. So he started his journey alone. Luna struggles to stay with him at start, but eventually her presence saved him from loosing his humanity completely. Casshern is an hero as told the old way. An example for the people to rely on and continue struggling agains fate. Carachterization is the main difference between the old classic and new settlement of this story. Heroes don’t mean anything nowadays. Chars are modeled after otaku culture nowadays, so that they are everything but heroic in the first place, most like New Casshern. This is someone who has been given a title of antihero and doesn’t even know why and struggles and cries against it. A pityful being.

  28. Solaris says:

    @Dmonhiro: I was asked about it, expecially after giving a loto more credit to the old casshern in spite of the new. My answer was: Old Casshern better setting and char characterization as good side and linear and simpler but effective plot as worse side.

  29. DmonHiro says:

    While you make some good points, I can’t agree with your on the heroism. In Sins, Casshern was always the first try and help others, be it by guiding them, or protecting them. In fact, if he was anyone in danger, he would go help them, and only after that would her evaluate the situation. I guess that could also be because he knows he’s practically immortal, but I can’t see him as anything other then heroic.

  30. Solaris says:

    Dmonhiro, New Casshern isn’t heroic. He’s just the opposite: he’s an anti-hero, moved by is struggling fate, and not the saviour of mankind like Old Casshern. Sure a goodhearted char that helped friends isn’t heroic as the words suggested it, but just good-natured.
    Casshern Sins just turned upside down Casshern carachterization. The problem is they exceeded with negativity, changing the hero in a whiny emo. Good Casshern Sins just changes a bit halfway thanks to Luze and Ringo. Well it does help fighting for the sake of others…

  31. DmonHiro says:

    I think you have the wrong idea of what an anti-hero means. An anti-hero is someone who’s more of a vigilante, someone who may not be all that virtuous. Someone who is a jerk, but still has a good heart. That is NOT Casshern Sins, not by a long shot.

  32. Solaris says:

    Let’s quote wiki. Not the best source of information, but a nice reference at that.
    Look at what they say about the two figures: The hero is defined as a positive char with high moral or virtues with respect to the society. He’s usually somebody who performs an important but extremely dangerous task that nobody else could perform thus becoming an example for others.
    He could be the protagonist of a story, but usually is the symbol or reference of a virtue. Casshern old version respect the definition of epic hero, with the addition of superpowers.
    He is the man who accomplices the task of saving human kind at the price of his own humanity and suffer pain in the process.
    Now tell me now what kind of moral value or example of virtue does New Casshern remotely resemble?
    He’s clearly not an hero.
    An anti-hero is the negation of the concept of hero. One example is the vigilante, but that’s not Casshern Sins situation. There are other kind of antiheroes, depending what traits are negated.
    New Casshern sure doesn’t perform a task of great social importance, or at least he just happens to do that by chance.

  33. Solaris says:

    …continues from above
    New Casshern is not the maker of somebody’s else destiny, but struggles against his own destiny.
    He’s an anti-hero as destiny is forced against him. He eventually regains the traits of the hero later in the story, but that’s never for his own accord, rather than the events bring him to behave that way and eventually interaction with otjher chars saved him. New Casshern is an hero being saved by his own friends more than the opposite…
    That is to say New Casshern is negatively carachterized with the respect of the classical hero figure, as long as the Old one resembled that archetype closely.

  34. Sarah says:

    Need more casshern it a good show I really like it

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Benh Zeitlin is one I'm not familiar with, but it turns out he did beasts of southern wild and I enjoy magical realism.
@Mario: I wasn't aware Carax was still alive, some sgements of holy motors work, others don't , lovers on the bridge was a more accessible film I recall.
@Fluca: okay. Kinda fixed it. I don't think we have a spoiler code so I just changed your spoiler into white color
@Kaiser: I'm checking movies from indie auteur directors that could come out this year, interested Benh Zeitlin's second movie, Lee Chang Dong's and Leos Carax's one
Would love to see Our Little Sister in anime form, actually
Although Miike directs like at least 40 feature films, I only remember his Audition and Ichi the Killer the most, both of which I have extremely mixed feeling about
Every time I here the title Aico, it makes me think its some kind of eco/environmental thing, which I know it isn't.
The fate/extra Alice character (I looked her up) looks like she belongs in rozen maiden.
The modern Japanese directors can be prolific Miike and Sono pump out more than one film a year.
And it shows, that Our little sister adaptation, that live action adaptations CAN sometimes work.
Quick fact, that action crime josei anime, Bananna fish, coming out in April is based on a manga by the writer of Our little sister's manga.
@Mario: The interest being, how he would handle something so removed from his usual style.
@Mario: Actually re-checking, its next week, The third murder , which seems very different, a courtroom drama with some philosophy in it.
I really enjoy Our Little Sister, but I think mainly because the film is entirely within my comfort zone (Slice of life manga material, about the life of these girls)
@Kaiser: Which one will you see? He now directs one movie per year so it's hard to keep track some times. I really like his style and I reckon people who like slice-of-life will enjoy his movies
@Mario: Hirokazu Koreeda has a new film out, seeing it on Friday, I've only seen Our little sister by him.
@Anon: I essentially deleted the rest of the episodes off my computer after struggling through the first, like most, maybe moreso I got very turned off by the genre mixing. Thats not to say that I'm against genre mixes though, but they have to be weird, I mean really weird.
I am not a fan of breather episodes, something most modern anime are pretty keen to insert. I hate breaking of climaxes in order to show three SoL-, fanservice- or formularic monster of the week episodes before the main plot progresses further. When I want SoL I go watch a full fleshed SoL. Aico is pretty straight forward and kinda easy to watch in one go in that regard. Nothing really new though.
Just finished Aico. Had a few downsides like most series but I enjoyed it. Felt like a classic scifi anime you'd see in the 90s.
@Anon, I watched it. Though it was mixed but a decent enough watch. It really felt like two shows hastily combined into one. Been thinking of writing a review for it and Aico once I finish Aico.
*Have you watch
Have toy watch, B The Beginning?
I would call it somewhat lightweight however, but I won't complain/level too much against it, as it is afterall, a family film.
*in my memory
Nice animation showcase aswell though I don't know how long this will really stay i my memory, though it was nice.
Although it relies on being fairly convenient, linear and simplistic, that Mary witch flower anime movie is at its strongest when visually drawing the viewer into its world and wherever it shows spectacle. I'd say its adequately charming. Fair enough.
Hakata sounds like Gangasta. A series I enjoyed, despite its massive flaws
thanks guys. I will probably give it a try. I am also watching the Castlevania anime finally. Not really worth it for me. Also I watched the first episode of Garo Vanishing Line. I can a say it was fun.
Hi guys, anyone here played Sea Bed VN? Just wondering...
@Anon1880687 - I watched a couple of episodes. Feels like a foreign series. Since it doesn't feel like an anime made in Japan. I did like the group of revengers seem to have more personality than the main leads which insinuate chemistry but doesn't go deep into it. I don't remember if they explain why one of the leads chooses to dress like a girl. Though at least they give him/her a male voice.
@KTravlos: me. Not impressed. First few eps were alright with a set of bold characters, but later the lot just goes around in circle for these characters acting cool and cool rules the day. I dropped it after episode 6
KT here. Has anybody watched Hakata Tonkotsu Ramens? Impressions?
@Vonter: It gets more serious later although I agree it's better starting this without any knowledge about the series, like I did. I just loved the tragicomical jokes and the obsessive nostalgia Bojack suffered from and neither needed nor expected any drama but it was pretty good when it happened nonetheless.
@Anon, Not really. They just wanted to find some justification for the trashy aspects for a show they liked rather than accept it.
And while I understand how obnoxious it can be, there are times when people complain about a show doesn't explain itself and then get pissed off when you try to give an explanation.
ProZD nails it on the head yet again The people who continue to make excuses for kill la kill's fan service are the same ones fapping to episodes of the show to this day
@Vonter: From what I hear, while it does have comedy, by the second season not only does it improve, but its more of a drama.
I've been watching Bojack Horseman. It's good, yet watching certain clips before the actual series made me expect a darker show. I know it's a cartoon, but some jokes reduced the impact of certain events. Though I suppose it's meant to be uplifting and not just mean spirited. It gave me some Nier and Aku no Hana vibes.
We watched the first three episodes of B the Beginning. I must say I enjoyed it. We will see how the rest goes.
*whole franchise bar Macross delta
Despite loving the mans work since I got started on anime when I was younger, I still haven't seen Kawamori's most recent Macross series despite seeing the whole franchise.
I think devilman set me up for the idea that netflix would be putting out more transgressive anime.
If i were to rank the three netflix original shows that have released so far in descending order, it would be devilman crybaby, AICO, and then B: the beginning
so i just finished binge watching AICO...give it a watch if you guys have time, it's pretty good
@Mario: A good dose of reality in that episode though.
@Mario: Well I guess I called it completely wrong on who Chihiro was lol
@Amagi: Steins gate spent far too much time on a jokey first half.
Not that I'm trashing polemical writing, I find stuff by Jean-Luc-Godard fucking funny.
Doing a giant mood piece isn't pretentious, because it probably doesn't have a concrete meaning any way.
While still keeping it with enough sophistication .
For example, doing a rant of a film will only communicate to your intellectual friends and people already in the know, the working class guy you want to inform with your societal/political/religious ideas , was probably watching a western back in the 60s/70s, just incorporate the themes into that while not sacrificing the films appeal
With regards to pretension, I think that comes into play when you have a director trying to communicate ideas but ends up becoming ridiculously, overly polemical, its better to communicate thought provoking ideas through something straight, while also remaining some distance.
I think it often happens when authors create things on the fly, at least with manga. You can see terrible forms of comedy/SoL -> drama/scifi switches among webcomics, which are usually done by "amateurs", some of them being pretty young. It's always good when a series hints or blatantly shows what it is during its first episodes/chapters. Not talking about mysteries but genres.
Usually for dramatic comedy to work I feel it needs to let the viewer know early on that the story will feature both....the sudden drama thing generally is a result where a funny film needs an ending and a story needs to be fabricated hastily.
Melodrama is like genre mixes. If it does work it can be something special, but it's really hard to write and most directors just lack the talent to do so. It's like a comedy that turns serious at some point. It CAN work, but there aren't many cases where that happens. Usually they're just alienating their comedy fans and the drama fans weren't there to begin with.
Same here
I think some really old Euro movies, latin ones especially get away with melodrama well because the acting was different and more theatrical .
If the mekodramatics can properly cast a spell on a viewer, I am open to it if the writers strong enough but in general, when I'm watching something, the best stories are the ones where the atmosphere is so assure I forget I'm watching fiction.
I know they just want to make their audience feel good but I think it's a terrible moral or idea. Especially since most people know at least one person they loved that died from such illnesses. No matter what they did or tried to do to overcome it.
Yeah exactly. Honestly most cancer movies are terrible I think. I also hate these series in which the main character, I don't know, wins a match for his cancer-ridden love and then s/he recovers.
@Amagi: Too silly for me, the psycho faces.
@Kaiser: Not using music can be a great method to illustrate serious moments I think.
I've spoken to my father about this, who recovered from cancer years ago, those kind of phrases irritate him, hr said " don't battle, fight cancer, you fucking suffer through it, then if your lucky you get through it"
I mean, again, I loved Madoka but I see how this method they used is kinda cheap. It's still better than many other series of that type. I am aready looking forward to see how terrible Magical Girl Site is, the trailer looks like a psycho face trash fest.
The really annoying thing is when some of these docs and dramas use phrases like "her battle, her FIGHT, her BRAVE fight against cancer.
I enjoyed Madoka but I know what you mean. I think I will never rewatch Madoka but I love to see certain Tutu- and Sailor Moon scenes from time to time. I think Madoka is kinda similar to netflix shows or code geass in that regard. It always ends with some evil cliffhanger to hype you up for the next episode and it throws in one shocking revelation after another for the same reason.
@Amagi: On the music thing, some documentaries do this. What I loved about Shoah and night and fog is that the directors showed the landscapes/buildings where it happened and never used music.
I mean I know how bad ww2 and other things were. I really don't need rain, sad music and lots of actor tears to realize that. It reminds me of the laughing tracks sitcoms have that tell you when you have to laugh. And newer movies have exaggerated effects as well, not a fan of that. I rather see well thought-out content than a bomb-show. Not to mention that I hate sensory overload.
Its also kind of why I can NEVER look at hentai of something I enjoyed when I was young.
Which I admit is bias and a crap opinion lol
I grew up with Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailormoon and looking into lighthearted mahou shoujo , I don't mind nanoha and tutu, but there was always the feeling madoka was corrupting something.
On dark moe, I've stopped with lol edgy when criticizing Madoka, I realize that its the equivalent to Batman porn to me, the idea of that level of a slant on a genre I went for when I was a kid.
I agree. I was interested in Schindler's List when I was ~12 or so because it was something new for me. Nowadays I realize it's not really my thing, there are many western war shows that come of as too "pathetic" to me, they feel too much like, well, Hollywood blockbusters (which is what they actually are) than a serious commetary on war or so.
@Amagi: Thats the trouble I have with Hollywood , a film about Autism like Rain man or a mental illness movie like I am Sam, these American movies never seem real and the depictions feel so hammy and inaccurate.
On the dark moe trope, rather than throwing out words on it, its the tonal inconsistency that gets to me.
Yeah the opposite is bad as well. A show can have good intentions, even lots of good ideas but still have a bad execution.
Schindler's list is a great example of this, personally I think popcorn drama/oscar baiting the holocaust is somewhat distasteful and the film comes off as comparitively ingenuinely when I've seen a couple of eastern war films by people who actually lived during the war.
And "egdy" is very much about the tone a series has and not so much the actual content. Therefore it has to be explained as well, a dark series, even one with lots of blood, isn't necessarily edgy, it depends on the stance the autor has, whom we're supposed to root for and why, how characters and scenes are depicted and the overall tone, moral and so on.
On another note, to go back to "critic proof", this is a terrible practice because it allows people to take an easy topic for a story and it become forbidden to give a bad review.
Yeah, "badly written" for example doesn't mean anything unless you're gonna illustrate how it is badly written by showing and analyzing examples from the show and explain why the writing for these scenes is weak
Thats why I like here, people actually talk about a show in some detail, even the reviewers.
An non-backed up opinion when I'm looking for a show to follow doesn't tell me anything, how am I meant to know to watch something based on a single word or sentence?
I suppose its less of a case of buzzwords and more how people don't explain anything . The reason I say I have to do a 300 word review or long opinion on something is because I feel buzzwords and one word/one sentence opinions are un-helpful.
@Amagi: And I think thats certainly an issue, the lines being bkurred between shitposting/trolling and genuine critique .
I mean there are a lot of badly written shows out there or shows that are too tryhard, but people often use these phrases as buzzwords for everything and don't state reasons for using these terms for a specific show. I see tons of "egdy" posts as soon as a series is a bit darker than the usual harem and it's hard to distinguish these pieces from actual shitposts or trolls.
It sounds better to say that I don't like something because it's too egdy, too stupid and pure pandering (when it's about moe) or "badly written" than saying that I can't relate to certain settings, characters and so one or that I've seen a certain idea too often.
@Kaiser: I think many people just don't want to admit that disliking a series is usually a subjective thing. They rather want to credit their own intelligence for not liking it.
New Boogiepop anime announced for 2018 o/
Alita, eden endless world , ghost in the shell, Lain , blame, biomega , the Japanese perfected a genre America started.
@Vonter: Well deserved oscar for the visuals definately, Deakins got his overdue reward.
Tetsuo , bubblegum crisis, cyber city oedo are other good ones as was goku midnight eye.
@Vonter: It was the rebellion bit that got me worried if they were planning some sort of follow up.
I, robot eh? I remember that one, I don't mind Will Smith but he's not convincing in a serious role.
The replicants preparing for war, took me out of the movie, since it was delivered like a footnote for your action blockbuster, kinda like how they ripped apart I, Robot.
Still I got reminded why it inspired manga and anime like Akira, Cowboy Bebop and many others. There's a lot of atmosphere, and like I said, the visual storytelling is very strong. Since there were a lot of double meanings to several shots early in in the film. The egomaniac Jesus wannabe villain felt very odd, especially his speechifying.
But I'll have to see it again with that extended cut when I'm less the victim of hype.
Theres a certain idea of....they made an OKAY blade runner sequel, it wasn't allowed to be bad or great.
@Vonter: Its a case really of, you had a four star film! Then turned it into a three star!
Then again I am interested when Denis will be going back to his arthouse films instead.
I hope they aren't going for a sequel though.
It does add to the humanity of the replicants but I felt the ending cruel on Goslings character.
Jowie was a bit fanservicey.
And it was kinetic aswell.
What I'm hoping for is that in the extended cut it'll iron and smooth out the film and improve it.
@Vonter: The last act I thought was overstuffed .
@Vonter: But I felt the villain undercooked and its impossible to match up to Roy Batty from the first one.
@Vonter: I felt it was some of Rodger Deakins stronger work on the visual front and Ryan Goslings acting style suited playing a replicant, it invokes the atmosphere better than the first and I loved the idea of the replicants being able to give birth.
I watched Bladerunner 2049 yesterday. I liked 3/4 of it. I don't get why the last fourth was added, it really felt like they put another half hour to make the movie longer. I mean the first half is full of quiet and visual storytelling and the last part adds a lot of things that aren't even solved. I did like the production design stuck to the original.
@Aidan: When I'm review a film, as a general rule, if I can't get 200-300 words at least, there just doesn't seem any point in writing it.
Oh indeed they can, but I feel they can come off as lazy go to words.
But I do understand the frustration with lazy criticism.
Admittedly we all, myself included do fall back on lazy buzzwords but
Edgy and too melodramatic can be legitimate criticisms. Though both are ways of saying trying too hard
And its just plain lazy opinion giving/feedback usually.
Things end up becoming critic proof because of this.
I just hate how when it comes to complaining about pandering and tokenism or a bad film about something important falls into some idiot retorting with ad homminem shouting "U don liek dis coz u racist"
Or people who don't understand that something doesn't have to have answers, coherency or a traditional narrative.
You have eyes and its a visual medium, use them.
complaining about there not being enough exposition is also a worthless criticism.
And "edgy" or "too melodramatic".
One sentence/one-word criticism such as "too long ", "slow and boring" , "Too old" , "Its in black and white", "pretentious", "masterpiece", "Too thematic over character/story", "last film I saw is the best film ever", "It has subtitles" and of course saying something is racist or misogynistic to the point where those words don't mean what they mean anymore.
I know this is complaining for the sake of it, but I find myself tired of seeing buzz-phrases for criticism.
I kind of don't care to even really watch either show, its a case of couldn't be bother based on a glance, neither jump out at me and I was never really hyped for either nor heard/followed much discussion on them.
Bloody hell I haven't even finished watching B yet and Netflix has out another anime. Have not heard much on this one besides the advice to avoid the dub like the plague. Seems like a really bad dub.
Thankfully didn't miss any important scenes .
Y'know, its nice to know there are decent skins/people out there, was catching We were never really there at the arthouse cinema but ended up getting ill, staff noticed and brought me out for a free drink and we talked about the movie so far while I got better over a few minutes.
Watched it and B: The Beginning. Found both of them pretty nice. Like not great, but good or okay
AICO is released on netflix now too
At least officially they said before they don't plan stop supporting 3DS. Lot of people are speculating that they are gonna do that since Switch is pretty much a handheld, but who knows, maybe they actually plan considering Switch homeconsole and have handheld alongside it? If nothing else, I guess Switch can't do the two screens thing.
AidanAK47 - They'll put games on the 3DS until Switch catches up to it. I think.
@Anon, and the highlight of the event. What looks to be a brand new smash bros.
Ports are good for the Switch but I don't really see the reasoning behind porting Luigi's mansion to the 3DS. Honestly I don't really get why they are still putting out games for it.
It's the most surprising how few GC games are rereleased. I mean apart from the Zeldas and now Luigi's Mansion.
So hey. There was a Nintendo Direct. Tons of ports for both 3DS and Switch. I suppose if one missed something it might be a good thing to try to get it now.
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