Posted by psgels on 19 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Michiko e Hatchin



Ah, time to review one of my favourites of the past season. Manglobe always manages to come with some fun, interesting and innovative series, and this one’s no different. While Samurai Champloo had its action, Ergo Proxy had its plot, Michiko e Hatchin stands out in its characters. But like the other two, it really has so much more to like about it.

I often criticise anime for taking place too much in Japan, while there are much more interesting sites in the world to explore. This series does that exactly, giving an incredibly accurate portrayal of Brazil in the 1980s to work with. From the police driving in beetles to the busy cities, everything just screams “Brazil” throughout the entire series. The only other series that I can think of that play out somewhere in south America are more than twenty-five years old by now.

And like mentioned above: the characters are the true highlight of this series. While at first this seems like your average strong character travels together with weak character, it soon becomes clear that the relationship between Michiko and Hatchin is much, much different. Michiko is a sleezebag, she constantly causes trouble and knows nothing about raising children. Hatchin is neat, tidy and ordered, but hates laziness with passion. The personalities between the two constantly clash, and it actually takes a very, very long time for the two of them to get used to each other, but when they do, they really complement their own weaknesses. Especially Hatchin grows into an awesome character, who is constantly fun to watch.

This series can also boast one of the best villains out there in a long, long time. Satoshi doesn’t appear on the screen a lot, but when he does, you instantly know that this guy is incredibly dangerous, and yet at the same time he stands so far away from your standard “Muaha, I’m going to destroy the world because I’m evil!” that you seem to see in nearly every anime nowadays.

What also made this into such a great show is that it’s incredibly varied. It’s a show with many different faces, rather than just one general tone that keeps up for the entire series. One episode may be fun and full of comedy, while the next is an incredibly dark one about the inner clashes of street gangs, while the next may turn into a fun action-game sequence. You’ll never know what the series is going to focus on next, but it’s always going to be fresh and interesting.

Right now, I’m trying to think of a big flaw in this series, but all I can think of is some tiny flaws, like how for some characters the introduction seems to be missing, so you’re often thrown into the blue, or how the ending doesn’t answer all of the questions that you might have gathered through the series, but those are just mere details.

The thing is, that Michiko e Hatchin is an awesome, stylish and mature series and it excels at just about everything that it does. There is a fantastic dynamic between the characters, and never once does it feel childish or anything, despite Hatchin being a 10 year old and all. It’s really got a bit of everything, and it’s my personal favourite series of a studio that had already a record of putting down the most amazing series.

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 10/10
Production-Values: 9/10
Setting: 9/10

18 Responses

  1. I-K says:

    This series was really fun to follow. I am a bit bummed it wasn’t a few more episodes, I will miss M&H.

    I loved the setting of this show. Very unique and locales were highlighted in every episode. One detail I also liked that you didn’t mention was that the main characters wear different outfits (nearly) every episode. It really shows how much work was put into the designs.

    I look forward to future Manglobe projects.

  2. tealovertoma says:

    I haven’t finished it yet (on episode 20, the last one subbed right now) but I can already tell I don’t love it as much as I loved Manglobe’s previous projects – Samurai Champloo and Ergo Proxy. I still like it, but found the characters to be a lot less compelling and many of the subplots uninteresting. The leaps in time made it harder to follow and tell exactly what is going on and characters seemed in completely different moods every episode. There’s unresolved cliffhangers and non-recurring characters that seem important introduced all the time. All in all, it just felt a lot less like a whole than SC or EP.

    Putting all of that aside, I think it’s virtually impossible for Manglobe to make a bad anime and it still kicks ass, but I’d rate this 75-80% or so.

  3. Kurisu says:

    1980s? I don’t remember any particular dates though there possibily where some in letters or news reports. I was quite certain Michiko e Hatchin plays around nowadays. The fashion style surely doesn’t say 1980s. The beetles can be misleading. They were produced until 2003 in Mexiko. They are not a rare sight in South America even nowadays. Also most of the music sounded fairly modern. Sure, you see some technical equipment that is outdated in the first world like cassette recorders and nobody seems to have cell phones, only walky-talkies. Though cell phones only became wide spread in Europe and the US around the mid-1990s. Actually, Europe was quicker with adoption than the USA where people sticked to simple pagers for a long time. I doubt that cell phones are useful in Brazil except in the few big cities anyways because it’s a poor country and population is sparse on average. So it probably doesn’t mean much.

    I’m only disappointed that character animation consistency went down the drains during the second half. Also the very obvious use of CGI for streets in the action-ladden episodes looked poorly done. In that regard, I also found the last episode disappointing because I assumed they’d saved some budget to polish final episode. Sure, some scenes look extra-ordinarily fluid and some of the distortion is fitting but I perceive a constant change between good and poor animation as more annoying than some average animation that is at least consistent in itself.

    After all, it was a road movie-like show as I had expected not so unlike El Cazador, except with much more style, action, realism and a good mix of dark, gritty seriousness with comedy. It is more about the growing bond between the two protagonists than the search for Hiroshi, although you could have guessed that from the title. I think it’s also due to realism that you don’t get a fully conclusive ending. In real-life there a many questions for which you’ll never get an answer and sometimes when you reach a goal, you’ll see that it was fairly pointless but the experience itself wasn’t. They found Hiroshi, he’s alive but he’s completely useless and could have just been dead as far as Michiko and Hatchin are concerned. As in real-life, the way is usually much more important than the actual goal and there’s never an end until you’re dead anyways.

  4. kuro says:

    it was more likely a rushed ending… But we had a great journey gonna miss them T.T
    btw grow up hatchin was very cute :))

  5. Loz says:

    If I ever met a real life michiko, I think I would fall in love…

    Absolutely loved this series. Everything about it just oozed with a certain style that just appealed to me in so many ways.

    I must have loved every single episode, although the ending probably doesnt hold the same status as the rest of the episodes in my mind, but it really was the only way they could do it. Slight unleft answer in the terms of Hana’s real mother, but I guess I can look past that.

    On the whole probably not quite a masterpiece, but extremely brilliant.

    Im sure ill be recommending this one for years to come!

  6. TCoFA says:

    I wasn’t too interested in these series at first , but I decided to give it a go. I almost hurled over the first episode, I’ll admit that, but since I down’d 12 of ’em anyway and you were actually very positive about it, I watched another and damn this is good stuff.

  7. Syphin says:

    Ah, this is a great series, loved watching it. So many good things about it. Setting and the music were great. Michiko and Hatchin are awesome. Sad to see it end but amazing :D.

    Thanks for blogging this series, enjoyed reading them =).

  8. c160 says:

    I just hate Hiroshi so much…Number 1 on my hate list…They went through so much to meet him,but yet that bastard..Michiko is waaaay to good for that bastard..

  9. senerikfred says:

    I love it when a series I have a good feeling about actually turns out well.
    Atsuko’s climax was over dramatic, and it didn’t help that 19 was the worst animated episode of the series, but the last three were all fantastic, and really did a good job with exchanging sheer quality for fluidity during the action. I liked that the last was mostly quiet, and didn’t go out of the way to wrap up each and every loose end. Also, I think I prefer it the way that they didn’t say anything about Hatchin’s biological mother. The girl Atsuko met, Satoshi and the tomato woman were as much extra depth as was needed to show the way the various people Hiroshi met were affected by him, and they’d have needed to do an extra two or three episode arc either totally about her or where she was totally in the background in order to not end up detracting from Michiko and Hatchin’s relationship overall. As was demonstrated, the creators don’t seem like they had the budget for that.
    As for Michiko, I think she wasn’t realistically planning too far ahead where the show started, and really did go after Hatchin more as an excuse to see Hiroshi again. As she spent more time with Hatchin, however, she became a little more down to earth and accepted the way things would ultimately turn out, but only directly dealt with the situation in front of her. She even realized Hiroshi’s flaws to a certain extent, but wouldn’t allow herself to believe in them. It’d been foreshadowed for the longest time that Hiroshi wasn’t quite the ideal Michiko had in mind, so Hatchin flying off into the sunset with him and NOT living happily ever after felt like a perfect fit for the show’s themes, too.
    Long comment apologies, but even with its flaws, when Michiko to Hatchin was awesome, it was AWESOME. I can only nurture this small hope I have that the DVDs/Blurays/whatever THORA are subbing will include corrections for the necessary episodes.

  10. Pegah says:

    I really loved how Satoshi was portrayed, especially towards the end, and I actually felt bad when he died :( my favourite part, though, was when he and Hatchin teamed up, they made a really cute team, haha

  11. kiz-chan says:

    It’s a lovely series, but I can guarantee you that it’s not an accurate portrait of brazil (since its where I live ^^). It’s more like a crazy mix of some latin america countries (the exotic parts).

    And answering somebody who commented, we have cell phones here. A lot of them and they’re pretty cheap. 8D Oh, and the equipments that are outdated in the first world will probably be outdated here too. Brazil is a rich country but with huge social inequality. Please, people, don’t take the anime so seriously. ‘^^

  12. starred says:

    I’m so glad I followed this series, it is definetely one my favorite animes EVER. The only thing that really bugged me was the lack of explanation about the tattoos.

    Also, about the cellphone use in Brazil: Gotta agree with kiz-chan, I don’t know anyone around here who doesn’t use it, and even most 10 year olds already have one. In fact, in 2006 Brazil was 6th in a world ranking of cellphone use. \o/ I loved the varied settings of MeH but they were far away from being a realistic portrayal of the brazilian cities nowadays. Anime =/= Reality, folks.

    Anyway, thanks for your reviews, they were part of the fun of watching Michiko e Hatchin for me. =)

  13. Oya says:

    Great anime, thanks for blogging it.
    Michiko is damn cool!!!

  14. Mark K says:

    I must say while I was waiting for this anime I somehow came across this site and took the time to read your review (the only thing I hate more than typing is reading reviews)

    However what an EXCELLENT read this review was, I am so looking forward to watching this (mostly because of this review)

    Thanks

  15. AlexS says:

    Finally I got to see this series. I originally dropped it because I found frustrating to wait for the subs, and preferred to marathon it. Now that I have watched it, I can only say that it’s AWESOME.

    The level of detail, research used to create the music, backgrounds, clothing, character design is just flabbergasting! It oozes of style and really is a homage to the richness of Brazilian culture. You can see that the creators are anything but lazy: every jingle is different, styles change all the time, even character designs. It’s brilliant!

    As for authenticity, I disagree with the comments of the brazilian posters. Of course this is not how Brazil is, because it’s a mix of different eras: beetles, walkie-talkies, cassettes from the 70-80’s, but also disco lasers and genetic engineering: different periods of Brazil are compressed into a single setting, aiming for the soul of the country. This distance taken from exact realism is what allows the series to go to the essentials. You can notice this approach in other aspects: all the town names (or money) are invented, but the general maps are always of Brazil: in this way the authors creativity is not pointlessly constrained by details, and they can directly focus on what interests them.

    The only reservation I have in this topic is the episode with the pre-colombian ruins: really, that has nothing to do with Brazil, but in the end, who cares. The rest of the series is all about Brazil specifically, and not some general “south American” country.

    By the way, it’s also very interesting to see how a different culture (the japanese) views one’s own culture, and I find that in this series there was a real love and respect for the culture portrayed. Although as in any work based on “exotic” settings, there were stereotypes, but these were never soulless, and care was taken to make them really work.

    These people must have read and watched tons of Brazilian books/movies/soaps, because the anime is full of references to those (for instance “Cidade de Deus” comes to mind). I really laughed with the references to the “telenovelas” (the local soaps).

    Storywise, the anime really conveys the notion that life is cheap in third world countries… there is violence, and death happens, but people move on, and are not that sensitive to it. On the other hand the need to be cared for, resentment, betrayals and revenge are the much more gripping emotions that guide the characters. Nobody acts to right a wrong because of an absolute sense of justice (as is common in anime), but simply to get even on some personal offense, or to get back what they want.

    I also liked that the backstory and plot were not spoon fed to the audience. We were treated as grown ups, and I appreciate that. Character’s deaths are dealt with swiftly, no time is lost elaborating the dots we can connect by ourselves. This series had plenty of drama, and even romance, but surprisingly little cheese.

    In regards to comments on the mother of Hatchin, her absence is in itself the most important statement about her. She is so irrelevant, as one of Hiroshi’s many one night stands, that she does not even have an identity. Hard to bring the case more forcefully home.

    As for the end, I found it extremely satisfying. No character went “out of character” for the sake of an ending, they followed their logical trajectories. And I really loved to see the grown up Hatchin/Hana, suffering from the typical ills of her lack of parenting (doing small jobs because she has no education, being a young and single mother, etc), but still striving to do her best, because that’s the energy she has in her, like many people in her situation.

    There was social commentary going on, but without patronizing, which is incredibly refreshing.

    Together with Kaiba, this is my favorite 2008 anime.

    • D says:

      *SPOILER*

      Michiko went completely out of character. She consistently resisted arrest and tried to run throughout the series, but suddenly gave up when the bald man appeared. She also spent the entire series trying to find Hiroshi, then delivered Hatchin to him and left as soon as she found him. She left before he t even spoke five sentences.

  16. touchinstinct says:

    I absolutely loved this series! Michiko was a character that you loved, hated, and thought that she was a selfish bitch. she was selfish, reckless, beautiful, charming, imposing, and dangerous. In the end you fell in love with her because of those qualities. Hatchin, though she was only 10, acted more mature than her counter part. She was everything that Michiko wasn’t. She was adorable. Now the story and setting on the other hand was amazing. It was colorful and explosive. The villains were well scripted. Satoshi Batista was probably one of the BEST anime villains that I have ever seen. Now, Shinsuke Sasse Rodriguez I loved even more. He was a psychotic villain, much like The joker.
    All in all this anime totally ruled.

  17. Sasna says:

    Loved the characters, the culture, the animation and all that, but I think there were WAY too many loose ends when it came to secondary characters. They’d often just appear, bring a critical climax to the series, and then never appear again, their case and their motives unresolved or explained (there are ways to explain things without forcefully showing everything). There were also a lot of little plot holes, elements that did not make sense or weren’t realistic enough to my taste. But other than that it was really entertaining to watch. The ending was really cute and truthful. But I’d still give the anime a 7.5/10 for all the inconsistencies.

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Thanks, Amagi. They look pretty cool
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Why would I waste my time watching other people shopping or working. Not to mention that the scripted part turns everything worse than it usually is by shoving in terrible cringy moments everywhere to.. don't know. Entertain(?) the audience or something.
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@Amagi: I never really understood why reality television ever became a thing or how someone could give it any form of attention.
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I shouldn't use so many brackets.
SuperMario
Trulli? What does that mean?
SuperMario
We have all kinds of international film festivals here. I watched Roma in the Latin Film Festival. Yeah that aspect I mus say that I feel lucky
Amagi
There are Trulli in one scene of this week's Irozuko (after they entered that painting), how funny. I just visited this city (Alberobello) last month.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: You are lucky, Roma gets a one day limited release here for one time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Just imagine going to the west of Ireland and asking them about the internet.
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Yes there are people turning up to the one art cinema we actually have. But Ireland is not a good place to be in general if you are a film/anime/gaming fan.
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lol this country is incapable of giving a proper wide/long cinema release to anything that might even be considered slight non-mainstream.
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Well, we have a week-log screening here and I already lament how undeserving these films have. Guess I should be more appreciate now I know that other countries have 1-day screening only
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Progressive is good from what I heard since he went back to his older material from a more mature outlook. Ordinal Scale is decent too coming from the same matured Kawahara.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sometimes there are re-showings, some cinemas will play Akira for the billionth time for example.
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I imagine seeing scenes like that being recorded in the recording booth would look quite strange.
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Apparently, he even apologized to the voice actress for being subjected to voice a rape scene, so I guess even he has deep regrets about it. The LN doesn't have any more moments like this so I guess he matured a lot.
Amagi
@Anon: The problem is that he was still a teen when he wrote Alicization, he just edited it a bit later. But I also wish he would have cut this scene, it's always so forced and feels so stupid.
Amagi
Pancreas has no subs yet AFAIK
Anonymous3183156
Ugh, ep10 of Alicinization reminded me why I disliked SAO so much years ago. I assume Kawahara still had some nasty tendencies in him when writing Alicinization despite being past his edgy teenage phase.
Amagi
@Kaiser: It's the same here too. One day screenings and that's it. I also believe that anime are made for everyone it's just that the West (save for France and Italy maybe) doesn't give anime a chance. They are sure people would never care so they rather die or air the same awful scripted reality show for the 5th time rather than try showing anime that could appeal to adults like Monster.
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The anon might want to watch that though, a torrent of it recently got uploaded.
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Also Let me eat your pancreas wasn't shown here. But it was shown in Australia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although there are some films that America gets that we don't, the Heavens feel, the Madoka movies and Nanoha reflection showed in America but not here.
Amagi
@SuperMario: That would be great.
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Anime films seem to appeal to normies aswell.
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I saw an older woman in my screening of Maquia and talked to her after it and she liked it.
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Again, I don't know about elsewhere, but what surprised me was the amount of people who are seeing these in the audience who don't actually come off as anime fans and probably aren't.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I'm genuinely surprised that my country would actually even go that far to even show them.
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I don't know about all the other countries that get showings for these anime films, but here its a one day only thing each time one comes out.
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Reviewig anime movies/ making posts about them might be something I can do in the future
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@amagi: anime movies are somethingn I wanna raise more awareness as well. Normally each year there are 4,5 solid anime films out there, but like you said they’re hardly discussed
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I've never heard of UFO no natsu.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I felt bad for the little girl in grave of the fireflies, the boy was already caught up though in "muhfascistempire is goat tier" for me to care about him as much as her.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Air movie was more focused, better paced and visually directed with more panache than the show.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I have gone to almost every anime screening since the early 2000s and continue to.
Amagi
And many have barely any sort of advertising so I only notice them coincidentally by seeing a thread on /a/ or because I see some screenshot somewhere.
Amagi
Speaking of it there are so many great anime movies every year but nobody ever talks about them because the fans are split between those who see the screenings (that happen randomly depending on the country) and those who watch it a year later on their PC.
Amagi
I also found Hotori sad but it's ages old and I never met anyone who cared about it besides myself. Also, Hanbun no Tsuki and UFO no natsu although these were 6 part ova. Colourful probably too and the Key movies. I actually like all these movies like Air or Clannad but I didn't like the series that much.
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I think ultimately its the patience some of these sad films are made with that allows then to eventually land their effect.
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It takes a while to get to that point, though.
SuperWooper
"The Wind Rises" is pretty damn sad.
SuperMario
Well, Grave of Fireflies hands down. or Your Lie in April if you don't mind TV show
Amagi
Then basically everything from Shinkai for example.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: You may need to let us now what type of drama you're into, are you okay with highly melodramatic stories?
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if so anybody have any good sad anime movies?
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anybody here?
Amagi
The more we approach xmas time the more it rains in my city. Like every year.
Amagi
Didn't know that guess I try this someday I love this setting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The most recent thing I've watched dealing with a created/artificial/virtual world was an old German mini series called World on a wire by Rainer Fassbinder.
Amagi
Wonder about the consequences these last scenes in Gridman will have.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I finally got around to Aki Kaurasamaki's films, watched I hired a contract killer, I like dry, sad bastard black humour like that and even when it wasn't being amusing I enjoyed the whole quirky tone throughout it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I decided to watch season 2 of sound euphonium before getting to liz and the bluebird. I would like to see more of this. I guess I liked Asuka's arc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think bloom into you has stood out in how its dealt with Nanami's insecurities and backstory, found myself liking that one side character Sayaka more. There will be an arc where they do some kind of play which compliments/links in well with nanami's character.
Animosh
But yeah, I agree the series has great character writing. In hindsight, it's kind of a shame you picked Irozuku over Bloom into You. It had a great premiere and some stunning scenes, but the characters are so incredibly droll that there's just not much to write about. They're both slow burns, but Bloom into You gives you much more to think about.
Animosh
So I think the crossing the line thing is ambiguous between your interpretation and Yuu's subconscious fear that if she initiates things, displays her affection towards Nanami (and a passionate kiss that Yuu initiates certainly seems to qualify), then that will be the end of things. Actually, it's probably a bit of both.
Animosh
@SuperMario: I think Yuu is also aware that Nanami does not want Yuu to fall in love with her (I mean, it's hard not to after that death stare). And as a result she can never initiate things, because showing affection would undermine the whole reason Nanami fell in love with her. And Yuu obviously does not want this relationship to end.
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Did uh that really happen in BF? Probably not, but dang if that really was the case then stuff got real
SuperMario
@Animosh: the thing is Yuu takes the special attraction from Nanami for granted, and her mode is that she “doesn’t hate” it. She doesn’t hate it when she spends time alone with Nanami, she doesn’t hate it when they kiss. So for Yuu, when Nanami askes her to actively do it, it’a the first time Yuu feels like she’s crossing the line. Some really great character writing there
Anonymous3175137
It boils down to a female-targeted version of those moe shows that I don't care about all that much. Just replace the cute girls with hot boys.
Anonymous3175137
Compared to Katsugeki, where it tried to sell the series as something more than just a mobile adaptation and tried to court non-fans, here I got exactly what I expected; something safe and predictable, and catering exclusively to fans. So I got nothing out of it.
Anonymous3175137
Is there some sort of moe equivalent for male characters? Because this show probably counts as one. otoh, my feelings towards it are like most CGDCT anime: indifference.
Anonymous3175137
I think the oddest thing I did regarding anime this year was how I sat through both season of Touken Ranbu Hanamaru (including the one that aired earlier this winter), and didn't claw my eyes out when it's basically an unfortunate mix of a mobile game adaptation and a CBDCT show mixed in with some action segments to show that it's not just a pure estrogen-fest.
Animosh
I should also note that I don't relate to her in every way. I understand her difficulties with falling in love, but for me the problem is more that my view on love is too negative, and as a result I'm hesitant about taking the "leap of faith" that any relationship requires. Love is messy, and may well get you hurt, so it's easier to observe things from a distance, like Maki for example.
Animosh
Oh Yuu is definitely frustrating to watch. Her idealized conception of love prevents her from seeing what is obvious to everyone watching: that she's slowly developing feelings for Touko. And when those feelings evidently turn into love, instead of seeing them for what they are, she's in denial and insists that her feelings aren't special enough to be called "love". It's frustrating.
SuperMario
Then again, I can't really say why Bloom into You works for me now, but kept me in a distance in their first few episodes. It's slow-burn, and when you think back to it, not a lot has been happening. But I feel they haven't made any wrong step yet
SuperMario
Can't say I relate to Yuu thou. She's the kind of character that in real life I would find really frustrated, and I know many of my friends behave that way. That just to further demonstrates how real these characters can be. Even the side characters, Sayaka and the lesbian adult couple work well for me.
SuperMario
@Aminosh: it took awhile for me to fully embrace Bloom into You (I say about episode 5,6) but I agree it's getting very solid now. it reminds me of Scums Wish as well, mainly because how twisted romance can be
Animosh
I'm also worried it won't end in a satisfying way, since the manga is still ongoing. But otherwise I quite like it. It has its problems, but if you go into it with the right expectations (slow pacing, complex and flawed characters that make for an unusual love story, with more focus on the characters' psychological issues than their sexuality) there's a lot to enjoy.
Animosh
My only major complaint is that its characters can feel rather artificial sometimes. Touko in particular is a victim of this. She's such a weird bundle of complexes that she can be hard to relate to. Maybe it'll be better explained later on, but the whole idea of falling in love with another person because you think she'll be incapable of reciprocating it ... it's weird.
Animosh
I particularly like Yuu. I can empathize with her difficulties with falling in love, and I like her arc of slowly "blooming into" liking another person. It feels natural and earned. And like in SSSS.Gridman, the direction is surprisingly strong, and as a result it mostly nails its key moments (the river confrontation, the shed starting shot, etc).
Animosh
I finally caught up with Bloom into You, and it really surpassed my expectations. It kind of reminds me of Scum's Wish, with how flawed its characters are, and how selfish and unreasonable they can be. But like in Scum's Wish, instead of condemning the characters for their flaws, we're given the background to understand them, and they're not used for forced melodrama but sympathetically explored.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Are the Tezuka Buddha movies really that bad? I'll probably try the manga soon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also, it'd be cool if we could get long ova adaptations again.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd be happy to get more anime set outside of Japan. I also wouldn't mind seeing some anime based off western material.
Lenlo
Gotta say, I wasnt expecting that from Banana Fish this week. I hope its not a fake out, because if it isnt this ending could be great. I love sad endings
Kaiser-Eoghan
Bunny-girl made me watch a horrible idol segment. Then I forgave it because the end of the episode was well executed melodrama.
Sash
I just recently watched Made in Abyss.... and i cried real hard. I was worried that this story was going down the loli route at first... but how this show frightened me... and how it pulled at my heartstrings at the end.
Sash
I just recently watched Made in Abyss.... and i cried real hard. I was worried that this story was going down the loli route at first... but how this show frightened me... and how it pulled at my heartstrings at the end.
Animosh
But regardless of how things turn out, it was definitely a powerful moment, and I'm really happy things are finally heating up again. Looks like the demon/leopard/whatever will be unleashed next episode.
Animosh
Welp, I guess something really did happen this week in Banana Fish. I kind of expect it to be a fake-out though. Chii mentioned there will be an epilogue, and it'd be strange to do so without our main couple intact. We haven't really gotten a confirmation of how Ash and Eiji see their relationship either. So I don't think the ship (or rather, one of its passengers) has sunk just yet.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well, one of them is essentially the first two episodes of the show as one long episode. So i would say that makes sense.
Anonymous3169068
After all, I don't think they know anything about the series until I show them these. They already know that I bought the novels though.
Anonymous3169068
Meanwhile, I'm planning on showing my family, the two LoGH films, My Conquest is a Sea of Stars and Overture to a New War during our Christmas vacation. Is this a good jumping on point?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Come on torrent, 90% done, then you decide to slow down. This is conspiracy I say.
Amagi
Same here
SuperMario
Thanks, will download it when I get home.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Early sub for 720p version of liz and bluebird is on nyaatorrents, they say they are doing a 1080p version tomorrow.
SuperMario
It’s Christmas season soon so I hope I can watch some older gems during that period
SuperMario
I, on the other hand, decide to get off my movie marathon for now to spend time WATCHING MORE ANIME.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've had that issue on other blogs, getting the moderation awaiting message, I got it here in the past too.
SuperMario
Woah, I will read that story soon when I have free time. Thanks
SuperMario
Lemme fix this, Amagi
Amagi
I have given up on a bunch of anime now I rather enjoy the few I really like to the fullest and use the rest of my free time to play games and read VNs.
Amagi
"Your comment is awaiting moderation" guess I posted too many links, he. Well thinking about it I could have just posted this in the shoutbox, it's no spoiler or anything.
Lenlo
I quite liked it. I like that it wasnt a one off thing either, but it showed them working at it. I enjoy how when Kurahara chooses to do something, he commits 100% to it. Its fitting for his character
Kaiser-Eoghan
A lesser series would have drawn out the drama with Haiji. The scenes with kakeru reading manga with Prince also further support what the anon was saying about him warming up to Prince.
Lenlo
I cant wait to watch it.
Anonymous3164706
And yeah, the cliffhanger from last wasn't a big deal since Haiji fainted from overworking himself and needs to rest.
Anonymous3164706
That part where he chose to slow down in order to cheer on Prince and Ouji was a great scene in particular. He's starting to care about others now.
Anonymous3164706
Man, Prince has come a long way from his slow, awkward running at the start. And it looks like Kakeru is improving in terms of building his relationships with his teammates.
SuperMario
awesome! Under the Silver Lake is out as well in case you want to watch it, Kaiser
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yo AwesomeMario , the bluray for Liz and the bluebird (the sound euphonium spinoff thing) is out, will probably be subtitled someday soon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Compartively dogs DESPISE me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know...yeah, old kids stuff was kinda messed up and animal deaths were a big thing, Mufasa, bambi's mother aswell.
Amagi
Cats are weird
Amagi
We have two cats for two certain metro stations in my city. They belong to people living nearby but love the station so damn much you almost always see them sitting on the benches made for humans waiting for the subway/train. Two days ago I returned in the middle of the night and that one cat was still sitting there enjoying life. The other cat belongs to the station in front of my house.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Depressingly we also have that Lion king remake too.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I think plague dogs film adaptation stopped just before the full ending of the book?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lol there are actually people out there who believe that only straight men have aspergers syndrome.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can't actually leave a cat alone when I see it, actually snuck up on one to pick it up. Couldn't help myself.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh, heh, hey didn't know it shared the same author, makes alot of sense though.
Amagi
Yeah Plague Dogs is by the same author that did Watership. It was great. It's interesting to see how quickly series can become edgy and therefore bad on the one hand and how many grim dark movies or series exist that are damn good on the other hand. A wrong turn and your serious drama or thriller can turn into trash.
Amagi
Funny because I was also always a rabbit owner and now have a shitty cat (and yes I am actually autistic though although I guess I write pretty normal nowadays)
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh Jesus...there was another old one wasn't there, the one about the dogs? Plague dogs, another example of a famliy/kids animation that pulled no punches.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I enjoy alternate history/dystopia stuff, There was It happened here, a British film about a what if situation where Hitler won.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't think I was able to get away with missing the subtext of watership down though when I was younger, my parents made sure I understood it at that young age.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also liked how watership never really came off as being edgy in an detrimental way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm convinced there is some connection between cats and rabbits in relation to autistic people, both creatures appear to love me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: And thats something I'm extremely picky on, mixing cuteness and darkness together but Waterships art got that right.
Anonymous3163410
Although it does try to go into darker material later on. It just tries to do what it can with a TV-Y7 rating and manages to succeed despite not being as violent or scary as the film.
Amagi
I like how Watership Down was basically the first popular cartoon with that dark moe trope if you count the rabbits as cute for being actual fluffy rabbits
Amagi
da,,it the cat won't leave the keyboard
Amagi
love 1984 too. genrally all of these political dystopias or however youcalltheseä#+
Anonymous3163410
It could be worse. It could be the sanitized kids version that aired in the late 90s.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And because the rabbits look organic in the 70s one, its more scary.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Watership was particularly harrowing though because it was rabbits and I was young and I was predisposed to rabbits=fluffy cute things.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*Ahem* kind of commied out there for a second. I'm actually more of an Allende-ist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
1984is still a good story too.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But he agreed that animal farm was good, despite being written by a trotsykite.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My father hated him despite my dad being a Marxist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually that was more of a stab toward Orwell I was making.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As it stands, I don't dislike animal farm despite being a Marxist .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also remember a cartoon called animals of farthing wood also being very bleak for a kids show.
Amagi
I mean there are positive aspects of remakes and 2h movies. They could add more stuff from the book for once. But on the other hand there are these fears and I must say that I am not fond of this CG. The drawn rabbits were just way more expressive than those of the new trailer.
Amagi
Taking away these aspects will turn such movies to useless teen entertainment.
Amagi
I hope they won't water down the political part of Watership too. All these allusions to Hitler and the NS regime were things I could only appreciate years later when I actually had some lowkey knowledge of history. Same thing with Stalinism and Animal Farm.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It was always the Bright eyes song bit that sticks out in my head. I also remember secret of the nymph.
Amagi
Same here. Children aren't as stupid as adults believe them to be. Most of the series aimed at children I saw as a kid were downright insulting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember being very effected by it when I was younger. And admiring it for not talking down to children.
Amagi
What the hell man. Watership was the first thing I ever was a fan of when I was ~4. I still consider it as one of the best cartoons I've ever seen including having the best atmosphere. I mean many series want to be dark, but gore alone doesn't help, it's the landscapes, the music, movement, shadows and so on, this movie was perfect in that regard.
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