Posted by psgels on 19 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Michiko e Hatchin



Ah, time to review one of my favourites of the past season. Manglobe always manages to come with some fun, interesting and innovative series, and this one’s no different. While Samurai Champloo had its action, Ergo Proxy had its plot, Michiko e Hatchin stands out in its characters. But like the other two, it really has so much more to like about it.

I often criticise anime for taking place too much in Japan, while there are much more interesting sites in the world to explore. This series does that exactly, giving an incredibly accurate portrayal of Brazil in the 1980s to work with. From the police driving in beetles to the busy cities, everything just screams “Brazil” throughout the entire series. The only other series that I can think of that play out somewhere in south America are more than twenty-five years old by now.

And like mentioned above: the characters are the true highlight of this series. While at first this seems like your average strong character travels together with weak character, it soon becomes clear that the relationship between Michiko and Hatchin is much, much different. Michiko is a sleezebag, she constantly causes trouble and knows nothing about raising children. Hatchin is neat, tidy and ordered, but hates laziness with passion. The personalities between the two constantly clash, and it actually takes a very, very long time for the two of them to get used to each other, but when they do, they really complement their own weaknesses. Especially Hatchin grows into an awesome character, who is constantly fun to watch.

This series can also boast one of the best villains out there in a long, long time. Satoshi doesn’t appear on the screen a lot, but when he does, you instantly know that this guy is incredibly dangerous, and yet at the same time he stands so far away from your standard “Muaha, I’m going to destroy the world because I’m evil!” that you seem to see in nearly every anime nowadays.

What also made this into such a great show is that it’s incredibly varied. It’s a show with many different faces, rather than just one general tone that keeps up for the entire series. One episode may be fun and full of comedy, while the next is an incredibly dark one about the inner clashes of street gangs, while the next may turn into a fun action-game sequence. You’ll never know what the series is going to focus on next, but it’s always going to be fresh and interesting.

Right now, I’m trying to think of a big flaw in this series, but all I can think of is some tiny flaws, like how for some characters the introduction seems to be missing, so you’re often thrown into the blue, or how the ending doesn’t answer all of the questions that you might have gathered through the series, but those are just mere details.

The thing is, that Michiko e Hatchin is an awesome, stylish and mature series and it excels at just about everything that it does. There is a fantastic dynamic between the characters, and never once does it feel childish or anything, despite Hatchin being a 10 year old and all. It’s really got a bit of everything, and it’s my personal favourite series of a studio that had already a record of putting down the most amazing series.

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 10/10
Production-Values: 9/10
Setting: 9/10

17 Responses

  1. I-K says:

    This series was really fun to follow. I am a bit bummed it wasn’t a few more episodes, I will miss M&H.

    I loved the setting of this show. Very unique and locales were highlighted in every episode. One detail I also liked that you didn’t mention was that the main characters wear different outfits (nearly) every episode. It really shows how much work was put into the designs.

    I look forward to future Manglobe projects.

  2. tealovertoma says:

    I haven’t finished it yet (on episode 20, the last one subbed right now) but I can already tell I don’t love it as much as I loved Manglobe’s previous projects – Samurai Champloo and Ergo Proxy. I still like it, but found the characters to be a lot less compelling and many of the subplots uninteresting. The leaps in time made it harder to follow and tell exactly what is going on and characters seemed in completely different moods every episode. There’s unresolved cliffhangers and non-recurring characters that seem important introduced all the time. All in all, it just felt a lot less like a whole than SC or EP.

    Putting all of that aside, I think it’s virtually impossible for Manglobe to make a bad anime and it still kicks ass, but I’d rate this 75-80% or so.

  3. Kurisu says:

    1980s? I don’t remember any particular dates though there possibily where some in letters or news reports. I was quite certain Michiko e Hatchin plays around nowadays. The fashion style surely doesn’t say 1980s. The beetles can be misleading. They were produced until 2003 in Mexiko. They are not a rare sight in South America even nowadays. Also most of the music sounded fairly modern. Sure, you see some technical equipment that is outdated in the first world like cassette recorders and nobody seems to have cell phones, only walky-talkies. Though cell phones only became wide spread in Europe and the US around the mid-1990s. Actually, Europe was quicker with adoption than the USA where people sticked to simple pagers for a long time. I doubt that cell phones are useful in Brazil except in the few big cities anyways because it’s a poor country and population is sparse on average. So it probably doesn’t mean much.

    I’m only disappointed that character animation consistency went down the drains during the second half. Also the very obvious use of CGI for streets in the action-ladden episodes looked poorly done. In that regard, I also found the last episode disappointing because I assumed they’d saved some budget to polish final episode. Sure, some scenes look extra-ordinarily fluid and some of the distortion is fitting but I perceive a constant change between good and poor animation as more annoying than some average animation that is at least consistent in itself.

    After all, it was a road movie-like show as I had expected not so unlike El Cazador, except with much more style, action, realism and a good mix of dark, gritty seriousness with comedy. It is more about the growing bond between the two protagonists than the search for Hiroshi, although you could have guessed that from the title. I think it’s also due to realism that you don’t get a fully conclusive ending. In real-life there a many questions for which you’ll never get an answer and sometimes when you reach a goal, you’ll see that it was fairly pointless but the experience itself wasn’t. They found Hiroshi, he’s alive but he’s completely useless and could have just been dead as far as Michiko and Hatchin are concerned. As in real-life, the way is usually much more important than the actual goal and there’s never an end until you’re dead anyways.

  4. kuro says:

    it was more likely a rushed ending… But we had a great journey gonna miss them T.T
    btw grow up hatchin was very cute :))

  5. Loz says:

    If I ever met a real life michiko, I think I would fall in love…

    Absolutely loved this series. Everything about it just oozed with a certain style that just appealed to me in so many ways.

    I must have loved every single episode, although the ending probably doesnt hold the same status as the rest of the episodes in my mind, but it really was the only way they could do it. Slight unleft answer in the terms of Hana’s real mother, but I guess I can look past that.

    On the whole probably not quite a masterpiece, but extremely brilliant.

    Im sure ill be recommending this one for years to come!

  6. TCoFA says:

    I wasn’t too interested in these series at first , but I decided to give it a go. I almost hurled over the first episode, I’ll admit that, but since I down’d 12 of ’em anyway and you were actually very positive about it, I watched another and damn this is good stuff.

  7. Syphin says:

    Ah, this is a great series, loved watching it. So many good things about it. Setting and the music were great. Michiko and Hatchin are awesome. Sad to see it end but amazing :D.

    Thanks for blogging this series, enjoyed reading them =).

  8. c160 says:

    I just hate Hiroshi so much…Number 1 on my hate list…They went through so much to meet him,but yet that bastard..Michiko is waaaay to good for that bastard..

  9. senerikfred says:

    I love it when a series I have a good feeling about actually turns out well.
    Atsuko’s climax was over dramatic, and it didn’t help that 19 was the worst animated episode of the series, but the last three were all fantastic, and really did a good job with exchanging sheer quality for fluidity during the action. I liked that the last was mostly quiet, and didn’t go out of the way to wrap up each and every loose end. Also, I think I prefer it the way that they didn’t say anything about Hatchin’s biological mother. The girl Atsuko met, Satoshi and the tomato woman were as much extra depth as was needed to show the way the various people Hiroshi met were affected by him, and they’d have needed to do an extra two or three episode arc either totally about her or where she was totally in the background in order to not end up detracting from Michiko and Hatchin’s relationship overall. As was demonstrated, the creators don’t seem like they had the budget for that.
    As for Michiko, I think she wasn’t realistically planning too far ahead where the show started, and really did go after Hatchin more as an excuse to see Hiroshi again. As she spent more time with Hatchin, however, she became a little more down to earth and accepted the way things would ultimately turn out, but only directly dealt with the situation in front of her. She even realized Hiroshi’s flaws to a certain extent, but wouldn’t allow herself to believe in them. It’d been foreshadowed for the longest time that Hiroshi wasn’t quite the ideal Michiko had in mind, so Hatchin flying off into the sunset with him and NOT living happily ever after felt like a perfect fit for the show’s themes, too.
    Long comment apologies, but even with its flaws, when Michiko to Hatchin was awesome, it was AWESOME. I can only nurture this small hope I have that the DVDs/Blurays/whatever THORA are subbing will include corrections for the necessary episodes.

  10. Pegah says:

    I really loved how Satoshi was portrayed, especially towards the end, and I actually felt bad when he died :( my favourite part, though, was when he and Hatchin teamed up, they made a really cute team, haha

  11. kiz-chan says:

    It’s a lovely series, but I can guarantee you that it’s not an accurate portrait of brazil (since its where I live ^^). It’s more like a crazy mix of some latin america countries (the exotic parts).

    And answering somebody who commented, we have cell phones here. A lot of them and they’re pretty cheap. 8D Oh, and the equipments that are outdated in the first world will probably be outdated here too. Brazil is a rich country but with huge social inequality. Please, people, don’t take the anime so seriously. ‘^^

  12. starred says:

    I’m so glad I followed this series, it is definetely one my favorite animes EVER. The only thing that really bugged me was the lack of explanation about the tattoos.

    Also, about the cellphone use in Brazil: Gotta agree with kiz-chan, I don’t know anyone around here who doesn’t use it, and even most 10 year olds already have one. In fact, in 2006 Brazil was 6th in a world ranking of cellphone use. \o/ I loved the varied settings of MeH but they were far away from being a realistic portrayal of the brazilian cities nowadays. Anime =/= Reality, folks.

    Anyway, thanks for your reviews, they were part of the fun of watching Michiko e Hatchin for me. =)

  13. Oya says:

    Great anime, thanks for blogging it.
    Michiko is damn cool!!!

  14. Mark K says:

    I must say while I was waiting for this anime I somehow came across this site and took the time to read your review (the only thing I hate more than typing is reading reviews)

    However what an EXCELLENT read this review was, I am so looking forward to watching this (mostly because of this review)

    Thanks

  15. AlexS says:

    Finally I got to see this series. I originally dropped it because I found frustrating to wait for the subs, and preferred to marathon it. Now that I have watched it, I can only say that it’s AWESOME.

    The level of detail, research used to create the music, backgrounds, clothing, character design is just flabbergasting! It oozes of style and really is a homage to the richness of Brazilian culture. You can see that the creators are anything but lazy: every jingle is different, styles change all the time, even character designs. It’s brilliant!

    As for authenticity, I disagree with the comments of the brazilian posters. Of course this is not how Brazil is, because it’s a mix of different eras: beetles, walkie-talkies, cassettes from the 70-80’s, but also disco lasers and genetic engineering: different periods of Brazil are compressed into a single setting, aiming for the soul of the country. This distance taken from exact realism is what allows the series to go to the essentials. You can notice this approach in other aspects: all the town names (or money) are invented, but the general maps are always of Brazil: in this way the authors creativity is not pointlessly constrained by details, and they can directly focus on what interests them.

    The only reservation I have in this topic is the episode with the pre-colombian ruins: really, that has nothing to do with Brazil, but in the end, who cares. The rest of the series is all about Brazil specifically, and not some general “south American” country.

    By the way, it’s also very interesting to see how a different culture (the japanese) views one’s own culture, and I find that in this series there was a real love and respect for the culture portrayed. Although as in any work based on “exotic” settings, there were stereotypes, but these were never soulless, and care was taken to make them really work.

    These people must have read and watched tons of Brazilian books/movies/soaps, because the anime is full of references to those (for instance “Cidade de Deus” comes to mind). I really laughed with the references to the “telenovelas” (the local soaps).

    Storywise, the anime really conveys the notion that life is cheap in third world countries… there is violence, and death happens, but people move on, and are not that sensitive to it. On the other hand the need to be cared for, resentment, betrayals and revenge are the much more gripping emotions that guide the characters. Nobody acts to right a wrong because of an absolute sense of justice (as is common in anime), but simply to get even on some personal offense, or to get back what they want.

    I also liked that the backstory and plot were not spoon fed to the audience. We were treated as grown ups, and I appreciate that. Character’s deaths are dealt with swiftly, no time is lost elaborating the dots we can connect by ourselves. This series had plenty of drama, and even romance, but surprisingly little cheese.

    In regards to comments on the mother of Hatchin, her absence is in itself the most important statement about her. She is so irrelevant, as one of Hiroshi’s many one night stands, that she does not even have an identity. Hard to bring the case more forcefully home.

    As for the end, I found it extremely satisfying. No character went “out of character” for the sake of an ending, they followed their logical trajectories. And I really loved to see the grown up Hatchin/Hana, suffering from the typical ills of her lack of parenting (doing small jobs because she has no education, being a young and single mother, etc), but still striving to do her best, because that’s the energy she has in her, like many people in her situation.

    There was social commentary going on, but without patronizing, which is incredibly refreshing.

    Together with Kaiba, this is my favorite 2008 anime.

  16. touchinstinct says:

    I absolutely loved this series! Michiko was a character that you loved, hated, and thought that she was a selfish bitch. she was selfish, reckless, beautiful, charming, imposing, and dangerous. In the end you fell in love with her because of those qualities. Hatchin, though she was only 10, acted more mature than her counter part. She was everything that Michiko wasn’t. She was adorable. Now the story and setting on the other hand was amazing. It was colorful and explosive. The villains were well scripted. Satoshi Batista was probably one of the BEST anime villains that I have ever seen. Now, Shinsuke Sasse Rodriguez I loved even more. He was a psychotic villain, much like The joker.
    All in all this anime totally ruled.

  17. Sasna says:

    Loved the characters, the culture, the animation and all that, but I think there were WAY too many loose ends when it came to secondary characters. They’d often just appear, bring a critical climax to the series, and then never appear again, their case and their motives unresolved or explained (there are ways to explain things without forcefully showing everything). There were also a lot of little plot holes, elements that did not make sense or weren’t realistic enough to my taste. But other than that it was really entertaining to watch. The ending was really cute and truthful. But I’d still give the anime a 7.5/10 for all the inconsistencies.

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Amagi
@SuperMario: Seems like the official radio confirmed PriPri might get a second season if the BD and/or game sales are good enough. - BD sales seem to be around 7k at the moment, but it looks like many only ordered them now, after the last episode, so it might be more.
KTravlos
@Aidan. Oh I did. Thank you for reminding me. I will write the review.
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@Travlos, Just in case you missed it, there is a reply to you earlier in the chatbox.
KTravlos
Kakeguiri also ended. In the end the anime original ending was not really an ending, but just a fan pleasing excursion. The integrity of the manga story remains. It was a good adaption, and I liked it as it brought to life the parts of the manga that make it interesting to me. Also a great Opening and Ending. Good show.
KTravlos
And to sum it up. I think this was a great series. All its episodes were good.
KTravlos
I actually am ok with the PP ending. The 12 episode series is self contained. Sure there are many future potential stories to pursue, but I felt there was enough closure to make the series a good series. This is because the next step of the narrative is really so long term as being more LOGH material than PP (the story of the ascension of Princesss to the throne, and then the story of her reforms)
Lenlo
Alright, I found the read more tag. Now my tendency to write more than I should will be contained.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Got to play catch-up but I am guessing it was very much a non ending?
SuperMario
Gosh, is that how Princess Principal end?
SuperMario
@KAiser: I really have a mixed feeling watching Assayas's films. I always find his works toe touch into pretentious area. Still have much more films from him I want to watch though so that opinion might change
SuperMario
@Kaiser: As Tears go By surprised me a little considering how straightforward it is. It's Wong's most by the book HK romance but it was one of his most commercial success. After this, the studio allowed him to do things he like and that was when he gone banana with his styles
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not a fan. Can't even tell the difference between turtle and tortoise
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i like turtles
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@Mario: I hadn't expected some of the dry/dark humour in sils Maria, I liked the themes/aging angst and its comments on hollywood in parts even if it needed to go a bit deeper. Stewart is a revelation in it. That X-men parody scene was fucking funny lol
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@Mario: I actually kind of liked As tears go by. Mostly because of my experiences with hong-kong action flicks, much as I like John Woos films, the melodrama he tries to sell between the action never worked for me and left me just waiting around for the action to come round again. Wong was able to put genuine emotion into the hong-kong action film with this one.
Amagi
@Aidan: Somehow. The problem is rather Haruki anyway and it's canonically part of her character. Kei becomes more likeable IMO and the events get much more complicated and/or serious plus there are a bunch of characters getting added to the protag team which makes the whole thing more dynamic. The best comes when some other character joins around the middle though.
Anonymous1416115
Personally, I can digest the emotionless dialogue in the first place since I watch the series with the mindset that the main characters are innately "broken" in some ways.
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@Aidan Hmm...one might consider the emotion level increases in main characters' dialogues for Sakurada Reset as baby steps depending on how dramatic one expects a character to act in other animes. (The emotions increase do exist though) There are certainly emotional scenes and characters do develop in ways where one can't just say they're 100% robots.
AidanAK47
@Travlos, If you so wish then you can write a review for Bahamut virgin soul. Just let me know if you are up for it. If so I recommend writing it up on google docs, then when you have it done I can give your account contributer status and you can paste it into a post for us to look over and publish on the site. For screenshots our standard size is H240 X W138.
AidanAK47
Did they ever fix that emotionless dialgoue issue they had going on?
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You are not alone. The second half of Sakurada Reset made me so glad that I stuck with the series.
Amagi
Oh and I totally forogt Reset ended now too. Not sure if I am the only fan of that but the whole second half was one of the better things I've seen this year.
Amagi
Okay now thinking three others came into my mind, but that's still not much. A lot of series started interesting and turned out mediocre or cheap after a while.
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Considering that I love Made in Abyss, PrinPrin, Fate/Apo (so far) and 18if too guess this season was better than I've expected. 2016 was kind of a let down imo, animewise. Off the top of my head I only remember Rakugo, Fune wo Amu and Bokudake I think.
Amagi
I didn't expect to like Virgin Soul as much as I do. Especially the last ~5 episodes got me. The weird thing is that I was disappointed by S1 actually.
SuperMario
@Travlos: I don't mind if you do a guess review on Virgin Soul, but let's me check with other admins first.

On Virgin Soul, I'm not sure if I like the bew development. It suddenly does a 180 degree turn on King Charriot, which I don't feel rewarding.
KTravlos
Kakegurui will have an anime original ending. It might be better than the ongoing manga. We shall see. An enjoyable foray.

Virgin Soul is going for a nice explosive ending. If no one writes a review, I would be willing to write one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*kind of
Kaiser-Eoghan
While its very much in the shadow of the first and the protaganist started out kind annoying, I kind of got caught up in the spectacle and sentimentality of gunbuster 2.
KTravlos
Urasawa is preparing a new manga
KTravlos
yes the episode where Julian watched the documentary was fun. The Caligula like character comes from one of the lesser episodes of the series, when Kircheis beats up some rebelling third rate noble in the Empire.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Goddammit, fail, it just changed the colour of the login name...
Kaiser-Eoghan
I declare in the red truth that the next anime I shall watch is Diebuster.
Kaiser-Eoghan
From what little I saw, I remember a Caligula like character in one episode.
Anonymous1409409
I remember there's an episode where Julian just goes on Space Netflix and just watches a documentary. I actually liked that lol
KTravlos
yup, a LOGH that run like the Altair anime would be bad. It needs to show the sweep of history
AidanAK47
@Anon, I actually liked that aspect. It made the history of the world feel real.
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It's compressible, as there are many episodes of buildup, but that's where so many of the interesting details and depth of planning become evident. Some of those episodes read like a history textbook though, so we'll see how the new adaptation handles them,
Anonymous1409027
*pleasantly
KTravlos
Tytania was ok.
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the Amakusa Shiro reference in the fate review, I've seen a film about him from the 50s , theres also an old josei manga where the protagonist ends up becoming essentially regarded as him.
KTravlos
Hi Kaiser. Supposedly this is a re-imagining of the original story. Thus independent of the OVAs (old serieis). What exactly re-imagining means is something I and you do not know. We shall see. But it does mean that you do not need to watch the old series to enjoy this one. The OVA was definetly more expansive than the novels. So my guess is they will stick to the novels.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There's another anime, called Tytania based on his novels but I haven't seen that series.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As in condensable in the way nothing much is lost? I assume there are fillers in the original?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm indifferent to the aesthetics of the new version. What I'm hoping for is that it will be accessible to newcomers and that I'll be able to jump on to the old series where the new one leaves off. I've seen very little of the original and it was a long time ago, is there any way the story is condensable?
KTravlos
The fact that they stayed away from the disgusting new manga is great. I am not too keen on the CGI ships, but they also did not rankle. It looks like it will honor the spirit of the old series, and I cannot ask for more. I am a massive LOGH fan. And the new video out gives me hope of revisiting one of the greatest sci-fi/historical settings out there. I am happy.
AidanAK47
I hope they are using the old anime as a base and not the new Manga adaption. As that Manga adaption is seriously lacking.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I like that they blinged up the space battles which is good because those things could get tiresome. But I really hate the design of Yang Wenli. They made him look so much younger and bishi. I don't think i could take this guy seriously if he started one of Wenli's signature hypothesis.
Anonymous1408919
Thoughts on that new LOGH PV? My expectations were low, so I'm presently surprised. Obviously they made everybody pretty boys, and Mamoro Miyano is voicing Reinhard I believe. But art and animation actually looks pretty decent overall. It's a PV, and LOGH's best quality is it's story and characters, so we'll have to see if they remain faithful or not. But it's nice to see it get a visual overhaul.
AidanAK47
By the way this site has the first chapters but check the other versions to find them.
http://mangapark.me/manga/tsurezure-children-wakabayashi-toshiya
AidanAK47
@Mario, Indeed. It's also a pity that over half the couples in the manga were not featured. We only got a small taste of Patricia.
SuperMario
Or maybe I'll try to read the manga. The last time I checked it online, the site doesn't have its first few chapters
SuperMario
@Aidan: man, Tsurezure Children sure is sweet. Really sad to see it ends
AidanAK47
So that's the end of Tsurezure Children.
....I'm gonna need a second season. Now.
....NOW GODDAMNIT! NOW!
KTravlos
As I said I understand the criticisms to RE:Creator, but ultimately I enjoyed most of the show. It could had been better, and it is a missed chance. But I have seen worse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I gave up halfway through, there weren't even enough action scenes and those that were didn't justify waiting around for.
AidanAK47
Could have at least delivered on the action but that was rendered pointless due to the majority of the cast turning good and Altair being a complete cheat character.
AidanAK47
It would have been really fun to see characters discuss their stories with their creators or indulge in what our world has to offer but they really glossed over that part.
AidanAK47
It really should have gone deeper into the whole meta aspect introducing anime characters to the real world. Like they did with Mamika's powers being ridiculously destructive when outside a kid friendly setting.
AidanAK47
@Puran, I at least like the message of the final episode. But as for the show itself it was just missed potential on a lot of levels. I wanted Anime Genre battle royale and instead got a secondhand Shirobako with a crap shounen anime attached.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have been forgiving of Anno as I've gotten older.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also just re-watched gunbuster, I'd previously dismissed the ova after a few episodes when I was a teenager, I'd found it too slow, didn't have that issue with the 90 minute version I just finished. I've never see the sequels.
Lenlo
Ill have to finish Creators... at some point
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've been dipping back into the Lupin franchise, Gold of babylon was particularly screwball, kind of ridiculous comedy caper/adventure thing you just have to run with....turns out it was directed by a live action filmaker I especially like who made bizzare noir films in the 60s.
Puran
So that explains why Meteora had so much air time in Re:Creators. It's her story....

I hated the ending and I disliked the anime overall.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was a genuine surprise to see that Assayas decided to make a film framed around hentai =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I loved how incoherent demonlover was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The criticisms I'll give wind river, is a slight inconsistent performance from Renner and that very awkwardly inserted flashback scene.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: on Wind River, I agree it's a well-executed case of the week drama, although there are some plot pregressions that I don't get (how did they find out about the man's corspe again?). About Demonlover, man, the film gives me a chill down my spine. Heartless. And a bit misogynist.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: as much as I loved Wong (yeah I too prefer him over Malick), sometimes I do think Western cinema give him too much praise that sadly overshadow other Asian directors.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wong is important to me as a hong-kong filmaker, he offers something entirely different from the whole Woo/Lam Hong komg movies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: On a more positive note Maggie Cheung did mention that she felt her early work with Wong was when she first truly became a proper actress.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: ....I had no idea he had such a sad background.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*investigation drama
SuperMario
@Kaiser: that film also marked/ signified a rather sad period of Hongkong showbiz. Leslie Cheung badically lived the live of the protagonist and commited suicide in 1997. His girlfriend on screen, during the filming, was kidnaped, raped and taken topless picture. The damnest thing is that everyone knowed the culprit but did nothing, and in the press it was just deemed as "kipnapped and assaulted"
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wind river was a big surprise for me, just goes to show that with the right execution an ordinary police drama movie can be elevated higher.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Thats the interesting thing, tracking a directors career.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just binge watched the new dominion tank police ovas , admittedly these are kind of reptitive and extremely silly but its hard to hate on something so shamelessly fun that made me feel like a child again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: you said it there. DoBW is rather raw and unpolished but that's one of the reason why I am drawn to it more compare to his other works.
AidanAK47
In all honesty, it would be nice to finally see a continuation after fusion as all games after that have just been adding chapters in-between.
Vonter
Finally I wonder, if Metroid Prime 4 will definitely branch out of the main Metroid's continuity. It's curious how an interquel subseries is still going to add things in between the first and the second entries in the main franchise.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - I think is nice we can see both takes. Especially since neither one despite a few qualms are still very solid entries for this franchise. I just hope Metroid moves forward, as IMO this is the only game that really needed a facelift do to the heavy limitations of the gameboy. And I hope the secret gallery at the end is teasing how the producer plans to move the plot forward.
AidanAK47
I thought it might be like that but it's good to know they are at least on a close level. I didn't really want Samus Returns to replace AM2R as the "Definitive" version of Metroid 2. Mostly because a lot of love was put into AM2R andit came at a point when it felt Nintendo didn't give a crap about Metroid.
Vonter
Like Zero Mission there's something added to Samus Returns but I'll just leave it at that.
Vonter
I think both have strong points. Samus Returns have better boss battles, gameplay mechanics and more intense action pieces. AM2R IMO has more atmosphere, takes advantage of elements Nintendo don't even try like the Federation subplot, and the ending portion narratively has more heart in AM2R, while in Samus Returns it feels mostly like "the final level".
Vonter
I also did got lost a couple of times in Samus Returns and aside from the big water section in AM2R, the latter is more linear game.
Vonter
I think the controls in Samus Returns bring more to the table though. The 360 aiming makes for better ways to shoot enemies and some of the bosses take advantage of that. If it weren't for the 3DS giving hand cramps because you're holding L and R at several points it'll be completely the most ideal way to play.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - AM2R is very good, I think it has the advantage that because it uses sprites IMO backgrounds and enemies are more vibrant and easier to appreciate. The Federation soldiers are better executed in AM2R and that secret section with the ship is very eery.
AidanAK47
@Vonter, How does it stack up to AM2R? I bought it and am still waiting on it to be delivered but I have the feeling that AM2R would be the better game when comparing.
Vonter
I took me 12 hours to 100% and I've heard the best ending is beating it in less than 4 hours. I think unlike Zero Mission item percentage don't matter, it's mainly to unlock an art gallery.
Vonter
My main criticism is this being a 3DS game. Small enemies can be hard to see or appreciate. And I think the 3DS wasn't made for heavy action packed games like this or Smash Bros. I got the rubber from the circle pad come off in two occasions. Also unless there was something big in the background, several areas felt lacking in detail. Still Samus and the bosses look good.
Vonter
In terms of difficulty, the game has the enemies packing more damage than in other 2D Metroids. Is difficult in the sense than you can't tank damage as in other iterations, you have to be aware of enemy behavior and bosses mainly get easier do to familiarizing with their patterns, since I did die a lot each time I faced a new boss. And got used to kill them faster as I went along.
Vonter
Ok, so I beat Samus Returns. It's quite good. Unlike Fusion that had dialogue at midst the gameplay. Samus Returns only has a prologue of exposition and any cutscenes mainly accentuate the reactions of Samus confronting a new enemy. The level design is dense, despite having isolated areas like in Fusion and the original Samus Returns, each area is very mazelike.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: =< Awww I kind of like demonlover actually despite all its flaws, it had great sound design and had this cold, clinical, un-nerving mood to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Days of being wild does feel a bit un-realized/un-polished/rough compared to his other work definitely but its probably the rawest I've seen from him and that has its appeal.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Haven't seen farewell my concubine come to think of it. Regarding the scifi element I felt I embraced it more further into the film when it started to intermingle more.
While I am more forgiving toward Malick's recent films than most, that decline in quality means I have to pick Wong.
KTravlos
by the way in RE:Creators we probably will be getting a future series focusing on the hunt for Magane :p Meteora probably playing the role of detective. I also bet her novel will be wordy and heavy in exposition :p
KTravlos
i.e his end game might had been a cross-species revolution against him anyway. We will see
KTravlos
In Bahamut Chris proves to not be totally evil, but he is totally crazy. That said I am seeing one of my hunches getting supported, the hunch was that his cruelty towards daemons was with the purpose of bringing them down enough that they would be willing to work with humans as euals (As they are in Jean's army) and thus via that create a more unified world. I
KTravlos
RE: Creators has come to its end. I know the problems everyone has with it, and while it failed to raise to the level of exceptional show, I loved it. As I said, it had been years since a show kept me so excited episode after episode. They blew it at some point, but ultimately for me this is an en-joyful show, and one I would happily binge watch in the future again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: question for you though, between these two directors, which one do you prefer: Wong Kar-Wai or Terrance Malick?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: if you enjoyed both 2046 and In the Mood for Love, by all mean check out Days of Being Wild. The trio forms a loose trilogy and Days of Being Wild was the first film that Wong began his unique unconventional style. It's one of my personal favorite of Wong and it's a chance for you to watch the late Leslie Cheung acted (you might watch him already in Farewell My Concubine)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: 2046 is indeed a passionate film, and one of his best looking film. He tried something different in 2046 too, experimented with scifi (one of the best part in the film for me)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's stritcly Wong Kar Wai's romance we're talking about, since I don't find the rest of Chinese take on romance that interesting. Romance or melodrama is one of his main theme throughout his career
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was slightly overly long however.
I've also seen chungking express, in the mood for love and fallen angels. I think this Chinese take on romance is really clicking with me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I also thought it was a very passionette film and I love how Kar-wong-wai uses the music in it. I also think its one of his best looking films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I had a look at that Chinese film 2046, very effectively melancholic take on fleeting relationships while also successfully being quite sensual while staying classy and without ever showing too much. Tony Leung and Maggie Cheung are two beautiful people =P
SuperMario
for those who still want to catch up with 18if, episode 11 has a huge recap, while wrapping up the show with a new overarching plot. Hopefully they don't pull another Matrix here
SuperWooper
It's shounen-y for sure. The competitions have been my least favorite parts of the show so far. If you're still watching, you might appreciate it more once the Tenpei Cup is over.
Anonymous1399692
Damn Ballroom looks so good. But I really can't enjoy it despite that I want to. It has too many of these typical shounen moments and plot points I can't stand.
Anonymous1399684
Omae wa mou shindeiru
Lenlo
Mononoke is actually what made me find Ayakashi. Also a good show.
SuperMario
Regarding Ayakashi, I only watched the Mononoke segment
SuperMario
"It was a long, long trip, and we're coming finally to the end of the journey. Thank you, Manoyama and Chupacabra. And thank you, 5 EURO" - Sandal-san.
Lenlo
Ayakashi was great for me Kaiser. I enjoyed my time with it
Vonter212
@AidanAK47 - The hard aspect has been commented in several reviews with bosses being able to easily kill you. (Although in my experience it might be just getting a pattern). In terms of length most 2D games can be beaten under 3 hours. This one seems to clock at at least 6 to 15 if you want to collect everything. Then again, we'll see in subsequent playthroughs.
AidanAK47
`@Vonter. It's out now but I don't remember seeing anyone claim it's the longest hardest entry 2D wise.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Going to watch new dominion tank police next and read violence action and Oddman 11.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It took me years to get round to it, but I finally watched Ayakashi and as expected like most anthologies, again its mixed, the first is a solid ghost story that improves after a weak start, but that third one with the cat spirit was great, really liked how experimental that looked.
Vonter
Soo a new Metroid comes out this week. It is said, it's the longest, hardest entry in regards to the 2D iterations. Still not as great as Super, and depending on your fanaticism it might or not be as good as Zero Mission.
SuperMario
But they didn't pull that scene off too well. It's just... unmemorable. In fact the whole show is very unremarkable. Now only 1 episode left I might as well finish it but I won't give it a full review
SuperMario
Koi to Uso has been disappointing so far. Episode 10 featured the sequence that i was looking forward the most in the manga: the former classmate tells the one sided crush of the main girl from her POV. For a romance that contrived and manipulated like this one, hearing this from the third person's perspective prove to be more powerful
Vonter
@HelghastKillzone - Good luck with that. I almost had my car's engine damaged since it has been raining heavily where I live. Had to ask for help the next day to pull it out of mud. Still not as bad as the other three cars that did get stuck in the water.
HelghastKillzone
Dealing with work and the total loss of my car really sucks at the moment so I'm quite tied up for this week.
KTravlos
I do agree to a point, but to be frank all the episodes of Princess Principal to date have been so solid I have a hard time deciding. Episode 5 though was still the best from a holistic point (action, direction, music etc) was the one introducing Chise
SuperMario
Agree. Dorothy has the biggest heart out of all the spy girls. Also "help" that her episodes are all melodramatic.
Amagi
This episode of PrinPrin showed again that Dorothy is the best character by far. Not just herself but her episodes as well are better written than the rest if you ask me.
KTravlos
It just hit me. The characters in Princess Principal may be very well working for IngSoc :p
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, in the seven chapters it's only really two of them that contain dark shocking content. Chapter three being the biggest one in that regard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read a comment where someone said subahibi shocked them more than saya no uta. While I haven't played it yet, I have seen some of a letsplay...it lleft me thinking....how many hours until this actually gets good/truly unhinged .
AidanAK47
After Reading SubaHibi, Made in Abyss's dark turn didn't shock me too much. Maybe I just got desensitised. I will have a review of SubaHibi hopefully up in a week though to clarify my feelings on it after just finishing it, It was interesting but disappointing.
KTravlos
well, well. Both Made in the Abyss and Virgin Soul do not hold back. Grim! RE:Creators is warping up. Comparing with these other shows I can fully appreciate the problems people have with it. But still I am glad I am sticking to the end. Altair's voice actor by the way did great.
AidanAK47
@Helghast, And Kings Field was the Demon Souls before Demon Souls came out.
KTravlos
having binge watched several of this season's shows I would say Princess Principal is the most rounded. Made in Abyss is good. Kakegurui and The Reflection as SuperMario said will depend on your tastes. There is also Shouko no Altair. You will like it if you liked Tanya Saga of Evil, or Legend of Galactic Heroes, or Arslan Senki or manga like Vinland Saga, Gunka no Baltzar, and especially Historie
Anonymous1385641
Jesus...me watching this weeks Made in Abyss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ogzsWhZcmM
HelghastKillzone
So... Demon Souls was the Dark Souls before Dark Souls came out.
SuperMario
@anon1385426: the safest bets aside from Made in Abyss are Welcome to the Ballroom and Princess Principal. Kakegurui and the Refection are for more acqurired taste
Anonymous1385426
Aside from Made in Abyss, what's the best anime this season?
Lenlo
@KT, the pacing and the framerate early on are my two biggest issues. Later on the story starts to get abit more engaging, and they start doin things I didnt expect, but the pacing is still there. Some akward pauses.
Lenlo
Look, Berserk and Dark Souls are both amazing. But I only have 3 Dark Souls games, and 38 Berserk volumes. Im clearly biased
KTravlos
I sat down and watched the first 4 episodes of The Reflection. It is an interesting attempt, and I can see the people making it having fun doing so. But I did notice a pacing issue. For some reason the episodes felt like they dragged a bit too long.
AidanAK47
Dark Souls is the Berserk of Video Games.
Amagi
Dark Souls really went all Berserk if you ask me
AidanAK47
I am not one for putting down law but can we never ever compare anything to Dark Souls ever again? Cause it's actually become really tiresome how everything is the dark souls of something.
Lenlo
No other sentence has made me want to watch Made in Abyss more
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