Posted by psgels on 20 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews



I’ve been thinking about this series, and how to exactly review it, since Clannad’s after story contained some of the biggest highlights but also some of the biggest lowlights of the season. In the end, though, I decided to be positive about this series. Sure, the ending was terrible, I’m not going to sugarcoat that, but the episodes prior to that were utterly incredible.

Clannad already was a very good series, and its after story pretty much starts out similar, with a number of different arcs that are meant to flesh out the different members of the Clannad cast. Since Clannad already did the main characters, the first half of the After Story focuses more on the side-characters. while nothing amazing, the stories are consistently charming and interesting.

The goodness only really starts with the arrival of the second half, though. It’s here where most of the characters graduate high school and all go their own way, and this is where this series evolves into something completely unique. It’s a bit hard to describe this without any major spoilers, but the result is absolutely heart-wrenching, and yet incredibly realistic. Nearly every side character disappears from the screen in order to follow his or her dream, and we’re just left with the main couple of the series. It’s going to be very hard to find someone who wasn’t extremely positive about the turns that the series took at that point.

But yeah, it unfortunately ends in one of the biggest and most blatant Deus ex Machina endings out there, on the same level as Mai Hime. Whie the game this series is based on contains the explanation of what went on, anyone unfamiliar with the games will feel completely cheated. The series had been quite faithful to the original Visual Novel, but it did try to add in enough extra vits in order to spice up the story and make it more realistic and believable, but those two really did clash in that final episodes. And in the end the biggest flaws of this series is that it’s a bit too keen on pleasing the fans of original visual Novel. The ending just feels out of place, and Tomoyo’s After Story and Kyou’s story (which both got only one special episode) just feel like a big waste of potential. If the creators wanted to include those stories, they should have gone with a Higurashi-styled series: have different arcs focusing on all the important characters, which reset to the beginning at the end, and having each of these arcs deal with various of the side stories seen so far.

So no, I really wasn’t happy with that ending. Still in the end, Clannad has been a fantastic series, just like its predecessor Air. Both have taken the biggest heap of clichés imaginable, and went with such a harem setting to something completely daring and original with excellent and bittersweet results. Unlike Kanon, these two really helped the harem genre evolve, and with a genre that originally lived on seeing who could make the most generic heap of stereotypes, it really needed that.

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 10/10
Production-Values: 9/10
Setting: 8/10

33 Responses

  1. cc says:

    Agreed. Ending was WTF kind of thing and really felt like it cheated the viewers out. Good series overall though.

  2. blkmage says:

    I agree that the ending wasn’t very well explained, but once you understand the ending, everything fits together and it makes complete sense. It’s called the true end for a good reason.

  3. Zetatrain says:

    I kinda of liked the ending, sure it was a deus ex machina, but at the same time the series did hint at something like this happening with the appearance of the light orbs in certain episodes so it wasn’t too much of a WTF moment for me. Even though I haven’t played the visual novel, I think I somewhat understand what happened in the final episode, however, it does require some suspension of disbelief. Overall, great series

  4. Snowolf says:

    yeah, the ending just kinda left me hanging with a little mingling of shock and angriness. It did so well at times, and I simply loved how they really fleshed out the characters rather than being one page people, but they could of stretched the game ending into a slighty more anticipating and better one. otherwise, it was a great “sequel” to watch! :D

  5. aegd says:

    This series has had supernatural things happen ever since the start. The ending made sense, since it’s been hinted since the first episode that there was things going around in that town that was way beyond belief. There were several stories in the series that was based pretty much solely on supernatural events.

    My only complaint is that the ending felt a bit abrupt, I would have liked another episode or two to see what all the side characters were up to. Maybe a 同窓会 10 years later. Just something to give a nice conclusion to the series. But hey… that would that would rule out “Clanned – After the after story” haha… :D

  6. man0warr says:

    Eh, the ending is word for word exactly like the game, including the fuuko ninja event at the end.

    Problem is they can’t really show replayability (the orbs you get from each route, needing all 13 to get the true end) like in the game so the ending is a bit wierd if you had zero knowledge of the visual novels mechanics.

    It makes even less sense if you skipped the illusionary world scenes throughout both seasons.

    It’s still a deus ex machina, but so is every Key game ending, it’s just something you have to accept going into watching/playing them.

  7. The only episodes that really did much for me in the end were the arc ends in the first season and episode 13-20 or so in After Story. That’s definitely over half the season leaving me hanging though. Also the comedy didn’t do anything for me, but the drama could be pretty good at times. Overall I’d probably give it about a 73/100 or so using your scoring method.

  8. Windspirit says:

    The ending ruined everything.

  9. da_man says:

    psgels, you should watch Futakoi Alternative – the best harem anime ever (even though technically, it doesn’t qualify as a harem, but then again it does… just watch it).

    • 6@ says:

      No, shitface!! I have watched it and it’s shit. It’s just all about a little boy named ‘the man’ fucking around a town until he met a dude who was infact a girl who have other girl friends who fell for ‘the man’ and that’s it. It’s shit at its finest. My rating: 10/100. It couldn’t even kiss clannad’s feet.

  10. Houlgrave says:

    This ending was a rare instance where something overly happy/deus ex machina didn’t turn me off.

    As you all might have noticed, even though everything was reset due to all the lights Tomoya had collected, he still didn’t forget anything that had happened post-Nagisa’s death even after he went back to the night of Ushio’s birth. It was almost as if he had been seeing a terrible nightmare of what might have been…

  11. moonie says:

    I was very pleased that poor Tomoya got a happy end, so the deus ex machina thing didn’t bother me too much. It probably fit very well in the structure of the visual novel, getting the “true” end when you complete all the paths, but it didn’t translate too well in the anime adaptation. I’ll just consider that Tomoya was dreaming, as Houlgrave said, and that way I can just not mind it.

    Still, my only regret is that we didn’t get to see Tomoya, Nagisa and Ushio all happy together in an extra episode.

  12. supereece says:

    yes, yes, the ending was a little dissappointing, but they had to do it, if you deviate from the VN then it might as well have been an original series on its own. as for the Tomoyo and Kyou arcs, you really gotta give em a break, the main conflict of those two arcs is Tomoya deciding whether to date them or not, seeing as he’s going to be hooked up with Nagisa in the anime, those two storylines just have no place in the anime yet they were still able to adapt it in albiet a bit weakly.

  13. Garuda says:

    dude are you FUCKING stupid or something with ur UNLIKE KANON.

    you MUST be talking about Kanon 2002 because Kanon 2006 is even greater then Clannad and AIR.

    i LOVED Clannad but i was r ealy upset with the end, it COULD have become my nr1 wich is Kanon 2006.

    but the end just didnt do it for me like WHY fucking cry about all the things that happen when in the end they dont realy happen FUCK that shit, i wa planning to rewatch it soon to make myself cry again lol, BUT NOW THATS NOT EVEN POSSIBLE ANYMORE BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A RUSHED WHY MAKE IT SO HAPPY end.

    Clannad After Story was Superb drama i LOVED it, they should have kept nagisa’s sacrifice and enden with just tomoya and ushi or something realy when the light appeared and suddenly he time warped 5 years back to ushios birth like some miracle had happend i felt SO cheated damnit, it was a PERFECT show realy but the end not at all.im sad about it cause it was about to become my favorite but ah well.

    Beside the end Clannad was GREAT.

    But Kanon 2006 is still my nr1, not very complex and some things are not VRY original just like Clannad season 1 with some side stories but at least those side stories where deep and maked sense.

  14. Dante says:

    Hated everything about Clannad + the afterstory except for the gangstuh fight and tomoyo’s ova (and also the depressing 2nd half of afterstory, minus the actual ending ending).

    That ova took every bad aspect of Clannad, and polished it to the point where if it were developed, could have been such a wonderful piece. No more pungent cheese, no more cliche goodie goodie mushy moshy ness. Art was incredibly improved upon, showing all their emotions and squirms and whatnot, supporting the voices of their emotions. Good stuff, the rest of Clannad wasnt.

    But no, Clannad was at most, mediocre. However depressing the twist to afterstory was, it was ruined at the end when all reality mushed from a little dream.

  15. MMania says:

    I guess if you just ignored the globes of light granting wishes and the “other world” segments completely the ending would seem a bit deus ex machina, but that would be silly. The only way to “reset” was to have everything play out like it did, ending just good or just bad would only have been half of the story. Especially with anime endings being generally unsatisfying from a western perspective, I’m surprised there’s so much hate for an amazing ending.

    Well, enough ranting. Certainly there were things I would change if I could about this series, but overall I’d rate the full Clannad story 90/100.

  16. Zodiac Casino says:

    Personally, I’m glad they gave them a happy ending. It was soul-crushingly sad to see all the steps Tomoya made to find happiness, only to have it all snatched away repeatedly. Usually, I hope for a sad ending, but that was not the case this time. All the time spent having us get to know the characters, really helped strengthen my empathy for them, and as a result, I was really hoping for them to go the direction they did.

  17. orb says:

    lol if you guys dislike the ending because you don’t understand it, well that just shows how inexperienced you guys are, compare to other animes that i watched this isn’t even a mindf*ck, just try watching boogiepop phantom, lain and see what i mean

  18. littlecrow says:

    I’ve finished it today and loved most of it, although i will admit that I did’nt enjoy the ending as much as I hoped I would. it disapointed me some, although it was a happy ending for the most part, it just seemed as though the writers wrote themselfs into a corner with the way thing were going. I’m a big softy and this show did get me teary eyed and I loved it for that but once that episode hit all emotions were gone, damn if I wasn’t starting to cry for Tomoya up to that point, and after that episode it seemed to hit the brakes until the season ended, but I would recammend this show to anybody.

  19. Zerp says:

    I agree that the ending was not as good as it could have been, but I’m glad it ended in a positive note. I feel that, if it had not, I would have been left feeling utterly devastated and depressed, they did a good job keeping this from happening, and that’s a plus for me.

    I also really liked the small stories, Misae’s one had me crying at the end. Clannad After Story is just such an amazing series, it’s a contender for my favorite show now!

  20. Anne-marie Webster says:

    I thought the “other world” put things off track a bit. But although that con, it was rather realistic. when nagisa died of child birth it was to be expected but not wanted. even though she passed on, it seemed as if they made her child resemble her so nagisa’s husband could keep his promise in protecting her. All in all, it was one of the best anime’s I have ever laid eyes on. I also seemed pulled to not only the main characters but the others as well. (certainly the chrismatic, and optomistic blonde hair blue eyed one)

  21. Beholder says:

    Her passing away was just a dream or a “flash forward” if you will, but as told earlier in the story your future can change. the lights are just from the drugs he used! =D

  22. Ferdinand says:

    Nice review, this is the saddest anime i have ever seen really, if anybody know any other animes that sad like this let me know =D.. The only animes that the sad feeling comparable to after story only kanon 2006 and kimi ga nozomu eien so far..

  23. Aapjuh says:

    all this ending fuss is about nagisa being alive after all?

    seriously that was one of the best parts,
    when nagisa died, i watched 1 more episode to confirm and then i rage quit, i was totaly bummed, all that this show is about is 2 ppl finding happyness in their live, so when she died before/at the peak of her happyness i was so pissed i quit watching.

    after i read a review and found out it was sort of a dream, i quickly rushed to watch it.

    clannad is one of the greatest anime’s i ever seen

    MY list of anime’s i seen:
    http://myanimelist.net/animelist/Aapjuh

  24. Drummerm4n says:

    I agree with Zetatrain and Aapjuh, although the ending was very sudden, i dont think i could take much more after episode 21 (those who have watched it will know what im on about)

    im not a very emotional guy, but this anime really drilled into my heart :) one of the greatest things iv ever seen.

    I personally loved the ending, simply the fact that everyone and everything turned out ok after a train wreck of events was such a relief to me.

    And they did hint throughout the series that the “lights could grant wishes” :) although i did have to look up the ending for the visual novel to FULLY understand what happened.

  25. Robert says:

    Greatest anime ever created!!!!!! I honestly loved the ending, if you didnt quite understand it then i recomend watching the last 10 or so episodes over again. You couldnt possibly appreciate this beautiful story without completely undertanding what happened at the end of this story.

  26. Michael Lau says:

    For those of u guys who doesn’t understand the ending, I advise u NOT TO SKIP ANY PART in the anime (both orig. and afts.)
    “SPOILER WARNING!!!” anyway, continue…
    So in after story and the game it mentions that the “orb of light” can give a wish each, in the anime, kotomi, fukko and Miyzawa’s orbs of light is being used for the transition at ep.22, Nagisa and Ushio don’t die.

    Proves on orb of lights for ushio:
    on After Story extra episode 2 (ep. 24)
    Tomoya mentioned that “Ushio never recovered in the other world” which means that Ushio DOES get the disease but she recovered.

  27. widowmaker says:

    First off, I will have to say that this anime is not for the faint of heart. Secondly let me establish one thing, I am a guy and I cried like a little baby when I first saw this. This has to be the most grounded and down to earth animes that I have ever seen. It tells a story that can actually happen in life, so it can really hit home when you watch it. Now I have read a lot of reviews for this anime, mainly of people talking about how they hated the ending, but I have to disagree. This story holds a very important message in it. Cherish the people that you love in life, because they can be taken away from you at any point in time. What happens to Nagisa is tragic, and what Tomoya does as a result is more than understandable. He put his hopes and dreams behind her and then fate intervenes and Tomoyo is crushed. Nagisa was everything to Tomoya, she was his life. Like I said, what happens in the story is something that can and actually does happen in real life. Now what happens to Ushio is equally tragic. Tomoya now has Ushio living with him and has recovered emotionally. He devotes himself fully to Ushio. But again, these things happen in real life, so the fact that you can relate will pull and tug on your emotions until you feel the lump in your throat is about to burst. But thankfully, time is reversed and Tomoya and Ushio are found to be fine. Tomoya is given a second chance, but still retains the memories of the tragedies from the alternate reality that he once lived. Like I said, this anime is not for the faint of heart, but if you want to see a truly great anime, then I would definitely recommend Clannad and Clannad After Story. It is truly a great work of art!

  28. esca says:

    I agree with widowmaker, Heart wrenching story i’m a dude and cried like a baby during the 2nd season. If you saw it you know what i’m talking about. The “after Story” really made this anime great, without it, it would have been mediocre.

    Been watching anime a long time, I usually don’t get into the drama stuff but came accross this by chance and it’s now in my top three.

    Awesome story, like other’s here I thought a couple more happy episodes at the end would have helped ease my soul after all the drama they put me through starting the 2nd half of the after story season.

    99/100, would have been 100/100 with a couple more feel good episodes at the end.

    Great job writers and animators. Story was amazing.

  29. tiffac says:

    As someone who just finished both seasons of Clannad I have to say this is one of the most inspiring Anime I have seen in a long time. I always expected a magical ending since Air and Kanon had them, although the ending did confuse me a bit but looking back at the story as a whole it was setup to be that way.

    I’m glad I was able to watch this Anime. I thought Kanon 2006 was great but Clannad and especially After Story was even greater and I usually hate harem Anime.

  30. Mex says:

    idk i think it was great i got every thing it was all great and sad parts made you wanna cry best anime i watched…

  31. HOKKAIDO says:

    After all the tragic scenes, I don’t think I can accept a crueler ending. So I’m quite pleased with the ending. And I don’t think the ending was a Deus Ex Machina. If you had fully enjoyed every episode, it would be very easy to understand that.

  32. Katie says:

    I loved Clannad After Story so much but honestly,the ending ruined everything. It was one of those really tense animes and you had a feeling something bad was going to happen.. and it did. Only it didn’t last like that. I hate it when people despise something just because it’s “predictable” I mean come on you idiots, you tell me any show that has NEVER been predictable. Clannad did try not to be predictable but that’s what happens with mystery/romance animes. They ARE predictable. So get over yourselves! I have to say that Kanon didn’t hareally have a great ending either, it was VERY close to having a great ending but again, they added something irrelevant at the end which wasn’t that good but it was better than Clannad AS’s ending. Clannad AS would have surpassed Kanon as my favourite Key anime if it wasn’t for that goddamn ending. I may sound souless but I hope they’ll remake the ending, even if it’s sad, it’s just so much more fitting.

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Im planning on burning through the whole thing in the next few days. Maybe then ill try the manga, since there is probably more
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@Lenlo: I didn't think your lie in April or sangatsu would actually be your thing. They're very drama-ey.
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Basically im with Kaiser on this one. As for Shaft, I am very show by show with them. I couldnt stand Nisekoi, yet Sangatsu's color palette and way of drawing faces really has me
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@Mario@Lenlo: We can be Kanabros for life all three of us ;)
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But in general I do think shafts style lends itself at its best to more comedic work.
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I actually felt that shafts style elevated their adaptation of Sangatsu. I find it easier to watch these slow paced shows than reading them. Also Kana Hanazawa.
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I read blogs to see opinions on anime, not to read about how blog writer is much better than some youtuber I probably have never heard of :D
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Nothing is more annoying to me than nerd doing the stereotypical nerd voice to mock people
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Never even really pursued listening to digibro. Although I probably should listen to eyepatchwolf apparently.
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*audience you're looking at: there's the Japanese audience and Western audience, but I feel like there's also like, another half of the world that most be people don't consider.
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I don't even watch gigguks videos anymore.
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I've never really cared enough to overexplore any of those anime youtube critics for the most part.
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You know, one person ends up broken through no fault of her own, and then ends up hurting herself and/or others to protect the only happiness she knows. And so the cycle continues.
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I thought Shio's backstory was really sad too. But yeah, although the show (and many of its characters) can be silly a lot of the time, there's a beating heart behind all of the craziness. Its main characters all have believable - if misguided - motivations, and the show portrays the cyclical nature of trauma very well.
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@Amagi: Escaflowne ended too soon and abruptly. I haven't seen rayearth but I have read the manga, so I don't know if the anime original content is as good.
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@Amagi: Regarding otome, one of the worst cases though had to be hakuouki though, just a bag of complete wasted potential.
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@Amagi: While I didn't dislike Red river, I have the unpopular opinion of preferring Basara because I found the central relationship more interesting.
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@Amagi: Yes that was babylonia no shishi.
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I wish we could get isekai like Rayearth, Now and Then or Escaflown again.
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Sadly these series usually fail elsewhere, with the typical problems shoujo and otome series tend to have
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@SuperMario: strangely enough this is somewhat typical for shoujo whereas generic isekai can't get off that fake-rpg spleen. There is also a shoujo in which feMC gets transported into some old turkish setting and one with babylonia (think the latter was done by that mangaka that also did Cantarella).
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Theres also a shoujo manga called babylonia no shishi.
SuperMario
maybe it's one of the earliest example of isekai if you don't regard isekai setting as strictly fantasy world.
SuperMario
" Or even something egyptian, babylonic, or mayan." -> actually they did just that. One of the old classic shoujo, Crest of the Royal Family, is about a girl transported into Egyptian royal family. https://myanimelist.net/manga/5284/Ouke_no_Monshou?q=Crest of the Royal Family
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@Animosh: Beyond Arthur and Dino, who always came off to me as "the bad guys to be defeated", I think I might have been so into Ash that I didn't really pay as much attention to his character development as you and Mario did.
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Happy Sugar Life was pretty intense again. It's not subtle, but it's certainly effective. For me, anyway.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*gamer
You could see that he probably enjoyed online games and knew his stuff, wheras it seemed in sword art the writer felt liking he was shitting on everything.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not much of a game and I know it was a fantasy show, but I guess log horizon is isekai, but in that one from what I saw, I thought the writer seemed to be making more of an effort.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But given how lazy isekai tends toward, while yes a scifi world would be a nice change up, the inherent genre laziness would probably holdback on properly building that world.
Anonymous2771364
Why Isekai are limited to the fantasy worlds? What about one with a creative retro futuristic setting (like Jetsons, John Carter or Flash Gordon). Maybe a western setting. Or even something egyptian, babylonic, or mayan. Anything at this point will be genius if done right.
Anonymous2771364
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Didn't watch Gate but it wasn't kind of like that? Adapting an alien fantasy world to the real world?
Kaiser-Eoghan
On a total tangent. Imagine an isekai that dealt with immigration issues ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Ash says a line in the manga at some point that he stopped counting the amount of times he was raped.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I suppose I minor issue I have, is that Yut-lungs design feels somewhat out of place.
Kaiser-Eoghan
You could say that there's fujoshi baiting in some of Ash/Eijis interactions, perhaps even n the recent episode. Very obvious, but I'm not complaining ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm actually glad that the series restrains from being too graphic regarding Goldzine's pedophilia actually , it could have been worse.
Animosh
Its previous attempts at character development (Ash's ridiculously tragic past, Golzine's pedophilia, Arthur's desire to get back at Ash) were a hit and miss at best, and often just had the effect of making the characters more black and white rather than more complex. But I don't know what was skipped, so who knows, maybe it would have made the characters better!
Animosh
And more generally, although most characters are a lot of fun to watch, they're not very deep. Ash and Eiji are both very tropish, and the villains aren't particularly interesting either (with the exception of Yut Lung, though he's rather clichéd too of course). So I'm not sure seeing them interact more would work in the show's favor.
Animosh
@Kaiser: thanks for the explanation! Not sure if I'd want to see more dialogue though personally. I like the Ash/Eiji moments and all, but they can also be a bit ... cheesy? Now I feel like there's a good balance between the various plot threads, but more emphasis on their blossoming love/friendship could easily have made it obnoxious for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know most probably didn't care about these, but I really get nostalgic over stuff like Rune soldier, Lodoss war. I also liked Denyuden and wished it had gotten another season. I never finished the utawerumono sequel, but it had nice character interactions.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm also kind of looking forward to Goblin slayer a bit because its a fantasy that isn't an isekai .
Kaiser-Eoghan
But not so much dicking around that it gets boring.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know what I was thinking about there lately, with the saturation of so many isekai, part of me has a longing for a non-isekai fantasy, but some really REALLY cosy thing about a bunch of friends re-uniting/getting together, most of its banter and SOMETIMES they get into story shit.
Lenlo
@Kaiser, Angel Eyes as an OVA would be amazing. Its the only part of Banana Fish I have actually read, to avoid spoilers.
Lenlo
@Mario, I think thats just a translation thing. Japanese language is a lot more formal than English so they have to choose. Go for precise translations, or modify it to attempt to fit it better.

As for how they did it, I assume they poisoned his Secretary with the drug. They have Senators and such in on it afterall
Lenlo
If the gang war is done right, I think I will enjoy this next arc. I really liked that last ending scene on the train and if thats how this war is going to play out, lots of subtle street violence to avoid the cops, then I am all for it
Lenlo
Im quite happy with Banana Fish personally. I do think Ash is a bit to proficient at everything, like I think I mentioned in one post how I dont like him being a computer whiz and all that.
SuperMario
Then we have many of half-baked subplots. For example, "to think you'd kill the next presidential candidate". No one talks like that. How did papa Dino plan to do it again? Sometimes I don't feel the clear pasage of time in Banana fish. Like in the prison arc, you'd see Max switch in and out between Ash's cell without much explain
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't think I remember the last time I actually cried.
SuperMario
And have a sensitive side at heart. I love this kid but sometimes the show just reminds me time and again how implausible his character trait, and many actions, are
SuperMario
@anon: I'm not too enthusiasm on Banana Fish as a whole. While I must say I still enjoy the ride every week, the main offender for me is how they glamor Ash so much. This kid has been through some serious shit, again and again, and again, yet he has immerse talent of basically everything (gun skill, acrobatic skill as we saw last episode, elegant enough to tell the wine brand with just sniffing...
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't like this upcoming arc too much because it felt like just a street thugs vs street thugs thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I hope they do the Angel eyes side story as an ova.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I'll never spoiler this show, but if the final arc is done properly and the anime elevates it, its going to really impact.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will be very very angry if they change the ending to suit/pander modern audiences.
Kaiser-Eoghan
One thing the anime is avoiding is the anti-communist thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh by the way, Dino is in with alot of people, including the French foreign legion.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Nearly went too close to haphazard exploitation route than cool exploitation route.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Previous episode had some animation/art issues, Abraham and Arthur are a bit cartoony, while the mansion episodes and the one where Ash meets his dad, the drama, while tense and interesting very almost skirted with being overboard.
Anonymous2765784
Hope the trend continues
Anonymous2765784
But seriously just loving the anime; most of my favorite anime are old, but recently some quality stuff has popped up like this, Rakugo, (Mushishi half counts)
Anonymous2765784
Yeah, I think I can tell that it's almost as if we're switching arcs now, so it's going to take a while to build back to that extreme heightened tension of the past few episodes.
Anonymous2765784
Also, what are some criticisms you guys have about Banana Fish anime so far? Just curious to see what other people think. I'm just enjoying the ride, whether it's speeding through a burning mansion or cruising around a 9 million condo
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'll say it a second time round, the bits before this is where the manga peaked for a while, then it took me a few volumes to get back into.
Anonymous2765784
I'm actually also interested on what's left on Banana FIsh's cutting board. As an anime-only, it feels like the pacing can be a bit fast recently, but overall it seems fine. In fact, I felt this episode slowed down a bit as we transition between arcs and giving us a chance to breathe.
Lenlo
And I understand not having words for Steins;Gate 0. I have to write it every week.
Lenlo
Shh, im gonna watch it soon
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually this episode was slow compared to previous ones.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now, for episode 11 of Banana fish, I enjoyed this, specifically I liked seeing Dinoget kind of btfo'd near episodes end. But the highlight for me, is the Eiji/Ash interactions, i like these because they add a human aspect to the show, humanize Ash and flesh out the twos relationship.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There was a scene in the manga where Ash crossdressed. But honestly what I mean is, the manga felt alot talkier with its dialogue.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I don't have words for steins; gate 0 anymore. Too hard to say anything else now, run out of them. =<
Animosh
What kind of stuff does the anime generally leave out? Slice of life scenes? Scenes with minor characters? World-building? Something else?
Animosh
Not sure what was skipped, but as an anime-only I thought it was another good episode. Some sweet character moments, some nice set-up for the conflicts with Arthur and Golzino ... I didn't really feel like anything major was missing.
Lenlo
Ah, did it suffer this week? Shame. Looking forward to watching it though
Kaiser-Eoghan
I do think banana fishes sped up pacing is definitely starting to show, but as much as I like the manga, it is the kind of thing that needs to be cutdown for the sake of better flow.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I recall watching Raxephon as a teenager, but it never really went anywhere from what I saw.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Bokurano which I enjoyed for its nihilism, had a second half that didn't live up to the first.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I did years years later eventually come round a bit on Evangelion.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gasaraki I also remember watching, which was ambitious but flawed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nadesico worked for me, probably because I watched it over 20 years ago and it was a pisstake on the genre.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Regarding mecha, outside of Gundam and one or two mazinger things, I can't say I feel as strongly about other stuff in the genre. No interest in watching darling in the frannx , aldonoah zero, regret watching and enjoying code geass years ago. Never got the appeal of gurren lagann and didn't finish eureka 7.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And with mizukami satoshi in mind, I've never read spirit circle.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Want to be specific, I don't hate planet with by any means.
Lenlo
As is, atleast something actually happens every episode. The pacing is a bit fast, but it all still feels good
Lenlo
It could. Sadly, the 12 episode cours has sorta killed the non-standard episode count though
SuperMario
Whereas in banana Fish they have to burn through 19 volume for only 24 episodes, and it causes the show moving with no brake. Banana Fish could benefit much better if it has, say, 40 episodes
SuperMario
I agree with Animosh. It's true Planet With crams too many plot threads together but I believe its best format is 1-cour. Or to be more specific the creator makes Planet With with 1-cour in mind and it shows. It's one of the few shows where it could stop at any given episode and we still have a wholly satisfying closure. It's like a pancake on top of the others
Animosh
The visuals and soundtrack are really mediocre though. They're serviceable, but pretty forgettable. A better studio may have been able to turn this script into something great.
Animosh
I also quite like how Mizukami often puts a new spin on some old ideas. The show is filled with tropes, but it somehow still feels quite fresh. I'll never be a big fan of mecha shows, but this is much better than most.
Animosh
As for Planet With, I actually really enjoy its fast pacing. It's kind of similar to Banana Fish with how it manages to do a lot in very little time without making its climaxes feel forced or its characters superficial. And because of its fast pacing there's never a dull moment.
Animosh
@Kaiser: that's understandable, Steins;Gate has been pretty forgettable lately after all. ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
*the not though
Finally going to catch up with shoujo kageki somtime this week.
Lenlo
So, Steins;Gate wasnt bad this week. It tried. It didn't necessarily work, but it tried and had good ideas. If the setup to it hadnt sucked, this could have really worked
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked Benika's flashback and though green haired maid girl was cute.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Show had me half rooting for The sealing faction guys. I think another strength of the show is that, even though it feels too condensed and every episode feels like a resolve, it still stays understandable and keeps manages to keep coming out with more.
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