Posted by psgels on 27 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews



One thing that I noticed after having watched lots of different anime is that gets harder and harder to find series that seriously surpass their own genre. Nevertheless, here is one such series: Kodomo no Omocha is without a doubt and by far the best shoujo romantic comedy I have ever seen. And in fact, aside from Nodame Cantabile I can’t think of any romantic comedy that made a bigger impression on me. I’m still amazed at how this series doesn’t just evade just about every pitfall that so many others of its genre fall in, but it manages to be consistently awesome for no less than 102 episodes!

Both in the romance and comedy department, this series delivers. The comedy always feels fresh, and the show exactly knows when to stop repeating its jokes in order to prevent them from getting stale. What makes the comedy especially enjoyable is the incredible amounts of energy that went into it. Sana surely is someone with at least some form of ADHD, but because of her incredibly bubbly personality the show stays fun from beginning to end. The side characters are also absolutely wonderful. I especially liked Sana’s mom and her antics.

The biggest fear you’d obviously have for such an incredibly long series is the tendency of those series to delve into long, long strings of fillers, but his show manages to avoid that very nicely. There are only about six pure fillers throughout the series: three recaps (which you can pretty much skip without any consequences) and three episodes which take place in some sort of bizarre parallel universe of the series. The latter belong to some of the funniest episodes of the entire series.

The rest of the series is divided in about ten arcs, of around ten episodes each, keeping the content from dragging on for too long. Every single arc has a different focus, but all of them contribute to the development of the cast. Even the most insignificant-seeming episodes have their purpose of fleshing out and bringing the cast of this series to life. The creators make excellent use of foreshadowing and flashbacks, and one particular thing they like is introduce one plot-line that only becomes important many episodes later.

In any case, the result is about 100 episodes worth of development put into the cast, and while the pacing of the drama and romance is pretty slow, the very fast paced comedy makes sure that the series never drags on. The show never forgets that it’s supposed to be a romantic comedy, and therefore maintains an excellent combination between funny and serious scenes: it knows exactly when to be funny and when to leave the jokes for a different time. In the end, the series comes together wonderfully, and the final arc of the series is definitely one of the best of the entire series, with a very satisfying ending.

Watching this series really made me wonder why there are so many other similar shoujo romantic comedies which completely miss the mark or have so much trouble to even fill 26 episodes. The only shows that I can think of that can even remotely remain funny through that airtime are Skip Beat and Perfect Girl Evolution. Apart from that, nearly every other shoujo just seems like an uninspired copy of this series. This series has more ideas stuffed into only 13 episodes than others in 26 of them.

Anyway, enough ranting. The only downside to this series appears in the fansubs, which pretty much belong to the worst subs I’ve ever seen, aside from Coalguys, perhaps. Lines are wrongly timed, badly translated and some are even omitted. There are also about ten episodes in which they for some reason completely change the names of the characters to their English counterparts. And while I can understand that this might be an attempt to make the show more accessible to western audiences, however:
1) Then at least be consistent in this and don’t introduce this halfway and give up just as easily.
2) You really know that things are going wrong when a guy named “Takeshi Gojo” turns into “Wootsie Woosie”. Seriously, who found that a good idea?

Still, that’s what official releases are for. For me, Kodocha stands on top of the shoujo genre, and it has been standing there for more than ten years by now. The sheer amount of creativity fully make up for the huge length of this series. Some of the jokes were utterly brilliant, the wide ensemble of facial expressions has been just priceless, and the cast of characters is just wonderful. Akitaro Daichi seriously is one of the best comedy directors out there. Speaking of which, what has he been doing for the past few years? It’s about time he came with another series, isn’t it?

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 10/10
Production-Values: 8/10
Setting: 9/10

35 Responses

  1. mackreki says:

    You really have a weird sense of humor .

    You think every chick flickish anime is funny. I am seriously glad girls are in the vast minority of anime fandom , or else i would probably have to put up with more crappy series like this .

  2. psgels psgels says:

    Um…. yeah. I’m not sure whether you read the review wrong or I should have explained myself better, but I actually get bored of most shoujo romantic comedies out there. This was one exception that stayed funny through its entire airtime.

    Also, that second statement makes no sense at all. You mean to say that the most shounen romantic comedies are actually funny?

  3. mackreki says:

    I would think many many more people find shonen romantic comedies funny , than their shoujo counterparts , and that is based on facts .

    I mean more shonen romantic comedies are released per anime season , than total shoujo romantic comedies are released each year .

    If a huge amount of people thought like you , then most shoujo’s wouldn’t remain unlicensed , like over 80% of shoujo’s are . If a huge amount of people found shoujo’s funny , then they wouldn’t be the very last series to be fansubbed .

    To answer your second comment , yes i find shonen romantic comedies funny . However , i certainly wouldn’t call most shonen romantic comedies good anime .

  4. psgels psgels says:

    Define “licensed”. I took a look at this page with the list of recent “licences” (including those on crunchyroll), and there are already five shoujo series on that page alone:

    http://animesuki.com/licensed.php

    Also, do note that I somewhat agree with you that most shoujo series are dull, but there are a bunch of really good ones amongst the genre, like this one. But yeah, that’s just my opinion.

    Also, I don’t agree with your statement of “lots of people like it so it must be good”. Take Bleach, Naruto or Dragonball Z for example: some of the most liked shows out there, and while they each have their own good points, I wouldn’t exactly call those the absolute best anime out there.

  5. wheaty says:

    Long time lurker, first time poster here. Really surprised to see a new Kodocha review anywhere. It has a special place in my heart, since it was the show that first got me into anime, way back in the day of VHS fansubs, oy.

    I have to wonder, what fansubs are you referring to? The Kodocha group only translated the first 20-something episodes, some random Chinese -> English group fansubbed most of the second half, and the rest was done by a shitty Hong Kong bootlegger (which I don’t count as fansubbing per se). Unless you’re referring to some other fansubs I don’t know of? And I have not seen the Funimation release, so I can’t comment on the quality of those subs.

    I agree that one of its best aspects is that the show knows when to be serious and when to be silly. It’s the only romcom to consistently make me laugh, shoujo or otherwise. Harem anime in general (if you count them as romcom) are often just plain awkward. As for Toradora, the wunderkind of romcom last season…man I just felt awkward for the characters.

  6. mackreki says:

    May i ask why you are referring to crunchyroll and licensing ? Crunchyroll has nothing to do with licensing . They have their own behind the door deals with certain anime studio’s . That has nothing to do with licensing .

    Either something is licensed or it isn’t. Licensing in the anime world refers to the U.S. Japan and the U.S. make up the vast majority of anime fans . It doesn’t matter if a shoujo or shonen are licensed in lets say Bulgaria , if the show wasn’t popular in Japan , or licensed in the U.S., then it isn’t a popular anime .

    Your Bleach Naruto comment was almost a good point. While the 3 shows you listed are by far the most popular animes in the world , nobody is saying they are the best . I enjoy them all , but i also know that they are mediocre animes for the most part .

    P.S. there hasn’t been a shoujo released since Sailor Moon that has ranked in the top 10 in the weekly japanese ratings .

    That in itself shows you how far down the popularity and quality list shoujo’s are .

  7. mackreki says:

    And one last comment about the licensing .

    Sure there are a few new shoujo’s licensed on the list you provided , BUT you obviously don’t care to look deeper than what is right in front of you .

    The few shoujo listed on that page were released a few years ago . It is no surprise that they are being licensed now after all this time . The fact is shoujo are licensed at a way lower % than shonens . Fact is most shonens are licensed before they even finish airing ,and in a lot of cases , before they start airing .

    Go to wikipedia and go through their list of shoujo’s . The last time i did that around a year ago less than 25% of shoujo’s were licensed , where as well over 60% of shonens were licensed .

    Then again i don’t even know why i went so deep into this . I could of just brought up Vampire Knight and made my point . VK is easily the most popular shoujo of the past 5 years , and yet the first season wasn’t even licensed when the second season was almost finished ( i dont know about now it might of been licensed recently but the point still stands)

  8. karry says:

    “long strings of fillers, but his show manages to avoid that very nicely.”

    Um, yeah, and you just missed all those crappy fillers about her “daddy” ? Just closed your eyes and pretended you never saw them and they dont exist ? Yep, sounds like something you’d do, alright. Those are the worst episodes, but there is an ocean of other fillers, that belong in “kodomo anime”, but shouldnt be in “Kodomo no Omocha”. Manga is much more pure and condensed, 10 volumes of pure goodness. Kodocha is only good for about first 30-40 episodes max, they should have known where to stop.

  9. Tess says:

    Good choice! Kodomo no Omocha remains one of my favorite series ever! Just last year I rewatched the whole thing again. XD Didn’t get bored the second time around.

    However I have to say I prefer the manga to the anime. I think it’s much better even though it doesn’t span that many volumes. One of the best complete manga out there ever, seriously.

  10. Madoka says:

    Shonen Romantic Comedies has alot of boobs jokes….. Of course it will sell better then shoujo comedy animes. Porn is the most popular thing in the world! Also there are many of those lonely otaku losers out there. Don’t anyone tell me that is not true, go to any convention it’s a sea of them.

    Like mackreki said the anime community are mostly guys so of course they are going to licensee more shonen things to sell to the guys. Just like in the video game industry is mostly focused on selling to guys.

    Either way it’s another person thinking popularity = good show

  11. Shippoyasha says:

    I have to agree with the review. I’d actually rate it higher.

    For a shoujo/light-romance show, this show is HILARIOUS. Lots of funny slapstick you might get out of something like South Park or Family Guy. Just weird, weird comedy and it all works.

    Characters are incredibly charming and the whole show just clicks. Definitely one of Akitaroh Daichi classics.

    As for the shoujo-dissers, you can kindly piss off. If you’re going to criticize something over some genre or some preconception and biases, that’s not a credible critique at all. If you want to hold onto those biases, then don’t pass it off as a credible thing to say.

  12. mackreki says:

    Popularity doesn’t equal quality .

    I love shippoyasha apparently directed toward shoujo “dissers” lol . It seems your love/bias for shoujo gives you as little credibility on the subject as someone like me who doesn’t like shoujo for the most part .

    All you girls band together , write thousands of letters to the studio’s , and maybe we can get some better quality shoujo’s to kick start the popularity in the genre .

    If you do that then maybe the average shoujo won’t have the same budget as a shonen series trailer . That is mine , and many others main complaint with the shoujo demo .

  13. psgels psgels says:

    Mackreki: while you raise some good points here and there, I hope that you don’t actually believe that boys only watch shounen series and girls are only into shoujo. I myself am a guy, and I like a good shoujo series once in a while, and there are lots of girl who are into series as Code Geass, and even shounen series as the later versions of Gundam have attractively drawn men in them in order to attract fangirls.

  14. mackreki says:

    There people go with assuming again.

    To be honest i don’t even have a clue why how you could come to the conclusion that i think men only watch shonen, and females only watch shoujo. We are talking about majority here . There are at least 10 male anime fans for every 1 female fan (and i am being real generous as it is most likely an even wider margin in male/female ratio)

    You can find guys who watch soap opera’s and asian drama’s , but the vast majority of the viewers are females .There are many more male sports fans than female sports fan , but there are still female fans .Different people have different tastes , and that is why ratings and such are based off the average person , and not off of someone like a hardcore female sports fan who doesn’t give an accurate depiction of the average female .

    And a little p.s. Only 1 Gundam series has ever had decent ratings with female viewers , and that was the original.There are actually quite a few female Gundam fans , but that is because it is the most popular anime franchise ever created , and there are tons of Gundam fans in general . The art isn’t to get fangirls interested , it is the way gundam series have always been animated . The prettier character designs are something that is common place in almost all anime these days . It is called the changing of technology.

    @psgels i also enjoy a good shoujo series at times , but there are few and far between that are quality. When they get a decent budget like Escaflowne , they can turn out great .When they get the usual shoujo budget , people would be better served to watch an average shonen that will have twice the budget .

  15. psgels psgels says:

    In the same way, it would help me a lot if you were to cite your sources instead of stating these vague-sounding facts. If I look up some anime related sites on the following website:

    http://www.quantcast.com/

    And for regular anime sites, the ratio of males vs females is about 3:1 or 4:1, and for the anime blogging sites, the amount of male and female visitors are about equal. I don’t see anywhere that 10:1 ratio that you keep talking about. Either that, or there are hardly any female anime fans in Japan. Shoujo series should indeed be blessed with a bigger budget every once in a while, but I don’t think that a lack of females is the biggest reason that there are so little high budged shoujo series.

  16. Wyrdwad says:

    Yay, I’m glad you finally got a chance to see this show! I don’t think I’ve ever shown this to ANYONE who’s disliked it. It’s pretty much a universally appealing anime, and stands as one of my top ten favorite of all time. Sana and Hayama will go down in history as two of the most memorable, likable, adorable characters ever to appear in any show, as far as I’m concerned. (:

    Now, just to give you my annual bothering… go watch Planetes!! (: Heheheheheh…

    -Tom

  17. mackreki says:

    Why would i state sources for common sense? If anything i stated was wrong , you would of had 20 links by now proving it . I don’t just make things up like 90% of people on the internet . When i throw out stats i also always go with the under as people like to go overboad .

    Your problem is you don’t live in the U.S. or Japan , so you really don’t have much clue about the anime industry . Those 2 countries hold the vast majority of anime fans .

    And yes i spent the majority of my life in Japan . Go to a convention in Japan and you won’t find 1 girl for 100 males at the conventions . You don’t see girls in Japan ever talking about anime . Females in Japan are much bigger on manga . Likewise , it is very similar in the u.s. Only 1 shoujo has been broadcast fully in the u.s. in the last 15 years ( although this has changed recently with a couple of shoujo’s being broadcast on sci fi). I am sure you can guess that the shoujo broadcast was Sailor Moon .

    And i really don’t understand how you think i am making things up . Go look up the number of shonen/seinen animes and compare it with the number of shoujo’s each year . Shonens and Seinens make up over 80% of all anime material released each year . Again it doesn’t take long to do with math , so link something if you think im lying .

    Explain why most shoujo’s never get licensed , and the ones that do can take a few years ? Now explain why that is , and why almost every single shonen/seinen is licensed before they finish airing .

    I suggest watching Genshiken if you want an accurate depiction of anime fandom . Of course i am not talking about studying the main characters because they are Otaku , and Otaku make up a small % of anime fans , kine of like Yaoi fans :).

    One last thing that i have to say because it really shows your lack of knowledge in regards to statistics . Nobody knows the gender of people who go to anime sites , or blog sites .Even if they did that has almost no bearing on the ratio of male/female anime fans . Japan probably has more anime fans than the rest of the world combined , and most of them will never go to sites like this , or crunchyroll , because most Japanese can’t speak English well , or at all. Not to mention i have 3 accounts on Crunchyroll , and all signed up as female gender.

    You ignore the real facts like numbers of shonen/seinen released in comparison to shoujo , or how the budgets greatly differ between them . Or even how most shoujo’s won’t get subbed for a very long time , where as almost every shonen/seien is subbed immediately after airing .

    And perhaps the biggest piece of evidence is the fact that i am discussing shonen/seinen together , yet there is nothing to pair with shoujo . There is what like 1 josei released every 3 years?

  18. psgels psgels says:

    Well, yeah, you have me there. I’m really bad with debates like this, and again this shows here.

    On a side-note though, I don’t think that Josei shows are doing that bad. Sure, there’s not a lot of them (although they appear more than just once every three years), but the Noitamina timeslot has featured many josei-series like Nodame Cantabile, Honey and Clover and quite a few more, and they always are the most watched anime at late night timeslots.

  19. Wyrdwad says:

    I’m a guy, and I love shoujo anime. Always have, always will. Most of my male friends are the same, and I’ve met a lot of Japanese men who are closet shoujo fans.

    Shoujo shows may be aimed at girls, but guys probably watch them a lot more often – sometimes for impure reasons – and that’s why they gain a lot of popularity in Japan. And then here in the U.S., I seriously think there are more female anime fans than male. If you go to anime conventions, there are WAY more girls than guys, every time. And I’ve been to a LOT of conventions.

    -Tom

  20. Shippoyasha says:

    PSGels, I agree with you completely. Just ignore that troll. “Come up with 20 sources”? What the hell?

  21. Shippoyasha says:

    “Not to mention i have 3 accounts on Crunchyroll , and all signed up as female gender.”

    Sorry, mackreki, but that struck me as HILARIOUS. That just came out of the left field and it just strikes as disingenuous. Just from that single line.

    And yes, the obvious part of your point is that a lot of the animated shows are male oriented, but your freewheeling bashing of shoujo shows just strikes me as funny. A lot of shoujo shows do get a proper budget to look their part, especially if they’re the types that can appeal to a broader demographic like Skip Beat or Shugo Chara. So you’re basing the quality of a show from their BUDGET and the demographic and the GENRE itself? That is simply not a credible argument. So you condemn shoujo shows before you even watch it. Good for you. Doesn’t do anything for those open to such shows without such wild preconceptions about them. Living in Japan? Watching Genshiken? HUH? Yes, we know that openly admitting to anime fandom isn’t that big in Japan, but what does that have to do with the quality of the shows themselves? What does that have to do with the masterpiece in Kodocha? And aiming at girls simply isn’t that big of a deal to me. Maybe it’s earthshattering to you, but that’s still a matter of subjectivity isn’t it? To try to bridge that kind of extreme subjectivity into an objective one isn’t working here.

  22. mackreki says:

    fyi Shugo Chara and Skip Beat do not have large budgets , and Shugo Chara was up to episode 70 and still not licensed . It is just another example that makes my point . Shugo chara and VK are easily the two most popular shoujos in recent years , and neither were licensed within 18 months of release.

    Seriously , i wish people could actually speak japanese before they say certain things.If you could speak japanese , then you could go to any number of japanese language sites , and see the actual numbers. Then these people say things like Link link link .If you want to start an argument , just because you don’t like the answer, well then you can’t be helped , and people won’t waste their time searching for you.

    And it is true . I have 3 female accounts , and 2 male accounts on crunchyroll. Would that not skew the numbers when trying to figure out the gender percentages?

    @ Tom . There is no reason to lie . I have lived in the U.S. for some years now , and conventions don’t have nearly as many girls as guys , although it is much much closer than the difference in Japan . I have been to conventions in Florida Chicago New York among many other places , and never were there more females than males . It was never even really close enough for it to even be a debate either .

    I guess if you live in South Dakota or something similar, you may see 10 females and 5 males at a convention .

    I love how people with extreme biases spout off random crap when realists like me say things they don’t want to hear . You label me as a shoujo hater because you don’t have any legs to stand on , and can’t stand hearing the truth .

    You also spout out things that you have no clue about .I have watched well over 400 series INCLUDING most shoujo’s. I have two shoujo’s in my top 10 anime of all time . None of that changes that everything i said is a fact.

  23. Kurisu says:

    mackreki: Why don’t you spend your precious time earning money for therapy? How many of those 400 series you watched did you pay for? Close to none, of course. You’re nothing but a criminal and loser to me.

    By the way, if you don’t like, don’t watch it! This eternal truth is more important than E=mc^2.

  24. Madoka says:

    mackreki posts made me think about the anime industry more in depths and I came up with a theory.

    I think anime such as sci-fi and shounen comedy are more popular here and licensed more is because the American entertainment industry does not make these types of shows. Hence Americans who wants these types of shows go to foreign producers such as Japan to satisfy their demand.

    Think about it! Are there many American sci-fi shows as much as anime….. no. American sci-fi tends to be live action and the production is typically cost higher to make all the sci-fi scenes where in anime it’s drawn and it’s easier create new and original ideas.

    Censorship is common in America. There is no place for shounen romance comedy due to the boobs jokes.

    For shoujo type animes there is competition in Amercia. One Tree Hill, Spanish Soaps, Gossip Girls to name a few.

    Why would American girls go get their drama kicks from anime when they can get it from their own country’s entertainment industry?

  25. Madoka says:

    Oh yeah forgot something else to say.

    “I am seriously glad girls are in the vast minority of anime fandom , or else i would probably have to put up with more crappy series like this.”

    So you are saying that if there were more girls into anime that they will find this show appealing. Hence you are admitting that this shoujo show has succeeded within it own audience. What is wrong with that???

    “All you girls band together, write thousands of letters to the studio’s, and maybe we can get some better quality shoujo’s to kick start the popularity in the genre.”

    ….. wait you don’t like shoujo and you said you were glad that there wasn’t many fangirls to make the industry more preoccupied . Now you telling girls to demand more anime to make more shoujo…..

    Maybe it’s just me but I don’t find a connection between production budget and quality anime. Probably because I don’t give a shit about animation quality. If mackreki sees this connection then I guess he will always generally look down on shoujo. It’s subjective so no one is wrong here.

    mackreki says that popularity does not equal quality but everything he has said contradicts that.

    Such as stating that more demand for shoujo will equal to more better shoujo. Hence popularity equal to quality….what!!!?

  26. Wyrdwad says:

    Otakon, dude. Otakon is over half girls, every time. And it’s the biggest anime convention on the east coast.

    Also, I speak Japanese fluently. And lived in Japan for many years.

    So yeah. Sorry, but you’re no more of an expert on this than I am… and I’m quite certain you are incorrect. (:

    -Tom

  27. Shippoyasha says:

    mackreki, I think you are simply misinterpreting everything here. Just because shoujo shows aren’t as popular simply due to the demographics, that does not indicate their actual quality or the original story’s quality or how good the production value is. Sure, shonen and male-oriented shows do get the attention. Simply hedging the entire quality of shoujo shows, many of which I thought were just as good, if not better than many male oriented shows, it simply doesn’t add up to me. And also, you can stop lecturing on the demographics or being able to speak Japanese here. I can speak Japanese too, BTW, but I don’t make it a point to use that as a crutch in my argument. Shoujo shows are simply under appreciated. I think this entire argument is proof of that. It simply gets demonized for no apparent reason.

  28. mackreki says:

    @ shippoyasha The Japanese language comment isn’t a crutch , and it is a very valid argument when certain people in question are arguing things that have factual answers if only they could understand japanese ie budgets of series ratings etc.

    @ Tom Otakon does not have more girls than guys , and i have been there 3 times now . Stop lying it is pointless and doesn’t make your argument better . There are many others here who disagree with me in a logical manner , and don’t have to resort to lies to make their cases .

    Here are some Otakon facts for Tom .

    There has never been more females than males at Otakon

    Otakon does have a higher percentage of females than most conventions .

    The vast majority of these females aren’t anime fans and go there to rave . Another large percentage of these women were hired for cosplay , and have no interest in anime.

    The saddest part is that even someone who hasn’t been to Otakon could of researched these things with ease .

  29. ceillo says:

    Okay. . . that was interesting.

    Well, Kodomo no Omocha has a special place in my heart. I haven’t watched the anime but I’m glad that it turned out to be a good adaptation of the manga. Anyway, just stopped by to thank you for giving this such a good score. :)

  30. Camila says:

    a mi me parece una muy divertida serie, como no sabia como bajarla, me puse a ver la serie entera de kodomo no omocha…

    me fascino y no he podido dejar de repetir una y otra vez de verla.

  31. Jonathan Schor says:

    The bad translations are from a cheap and poorly done Hong Kong knockoff.

  32. Theowne says:

    Wonderful show, wonderful characters. Thank you for introducing it to me through this review.

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  34. Muriel says:

    I like kodomo omocha child play..pls make season 3 …It is the best comedy anime ever

  35. JJR says:

    Finished Season 1 of Kodocha, loved it. It’s a shame FUNimation still hasn’t been able to dub Season 2 (the Middle School years). I had very low expectations when I started Kodocha, but it always proved entertaining and emotionally satisfying. It deals with some pretty heavy emotional stuff, and more than once the story brought tears to my eyes.

    Laura Bailey does a great job, and I love Colleen Clinkenbeard’s understated performance as Sana’s eccentric mother. I wonder if Season 2 will ever get dubbed or not. I have no interest in watching it in the original Japanese.

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What makes Fujiko work so well as this sexy icon is that she isn't just sexy: she's smart as shit and uses that sexiness to dominate and control her opponents (similar to bayonetta) rather than be chained by the objectification of her opponents (and the viewers for that matter)
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I wonder what other obscure cameos we may get this season. And yea you're right about some of Lupin's potentially sexist traits being assuaged by his level of cool and the genuine respect he shows a good deal of the women he has encountered throughout the series
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yet still a fun film at the same time.
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser Yea, mamo was a pretty dark element introduced to the lupin franchise; and considering the tone of the gravestone of Jigen, it makes sense he would cameo there
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Help I want to kidnap Asirpa =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I'm probably as surprised as you, at finding someone to talk to about Lupin on here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: And through comparing/contrasting the jigen grave stone and Fujiko mine, with some of the sillier older ones, it shows the Lupin characters are flexible enough to work both in a darker AND sillier context.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*character
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Fujiko is precisely how a fanservicey character should work and how built in/essential it is to her haracter, without becoming an irritant.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: By all means Lupin himself shouldn't be a character we like, much like Bond, but like Bond theres a coolness to the character that allows us to love him.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Another great thing about Lupin is how it uses its 60s cool to get away with what would normally probably be considered fairly sexist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I had a big smile on my face when Mamo made a cameo appearance at the end of one of the recent ones and thats because I remember the Lupin Mamo movie was one of those first anime that I watched about 20 years aago.
Anonymous2026379
not to mention that its one of the few anime this season that actually knows how to utilize dialogue to explore flesh out its characters rather than exposition or contrivance: looking at you darling in the franxx
Anonymous2026379
@Kaiser-Eoghan Nice fun facts; but yea Lupin III is a series that has always had an amazing sense of pacing and adventure, traits that are definitely on display this season
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Its a huge franchise too so I'm often never sure where to go next.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: You may or may not know this, but the voice actor for solid snake voiced Lupin in one of the dubs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I watched a few episodes of the Italy set lupin show too .
Its a fun franchise due to its cast but its something I have to follow irregularly, lest it get repetitive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Fun fact, guy who directed the gold of babylon film was a famous B-movie noir director in the 60s.
Lenlo
Dont trust anything written by the original SAO author. Everything is his fault. Kirito is not in this series.
Lenlo
Even the original SAO author has little to do with it, which is why its actually good
Lenlo
So SAO Alt is basically completely removed from the rest of SAO
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lupin is one of those things I dip in and out of, whatever part of the franchise it is. I've seen birdcage kingdom, Mamo, cagliostro, nostradamus, Jigens grave stone, mine fujiko and the recent Goemon centred special.
Anonymous2026379
it's a damn shame not a lot of ppl are talkig about/watching lupin the third this season
Kaiser-Eoghan
But for all I know with that team behind it, its an improvement, but theres probably not much point in me watching as I dropped the first season after less than 10 episodes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
See how he attempts to seduce me into watching something related to sword art.
Lenlo
Huh... I didnt know the writer for SAO Alt was written by the Kino's Journey creator and produced by the Flip Flappers people. Explains a lot
Lenlo
I wish I knew what you meant by shaman girls, and I cant wait
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Oh I know Leskinen. May he find his Japanese Shaman girls one day. But seeing as I know the story I wanna experience it differently.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Its even set in hokkaido, Korean/Japanese director, Japanese cast, Ken Watanabe is in it: https://letterboxd.com/film/unforgiven-2013/
Lenlo
Also, I love the ED. Really, 2 episodes in, I love S;G all over again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: really? They remade Unforgiven in Japanese?
Lenlo
its*
Lenlo
Like... is good.
Lenlo
But your missing out on the cult of Leskinen. The engrish is actually one of my favorite parts
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Meanwhile I am happily waiting for the dub.
Lenlo
Dangit... I have to wait another week for Steins;Gate 0 now. I cant do this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The Japanese remake of unforgiven had ainu people in it.
Anonymous2025797
Also I wonder if budget is distributed according to the director, some animes will spend more in the first episode. Some will spend more in the last ones. It's subjective, but if it's like all business it is looking for the better result at the minimum expense. Hence why I believe Berserk was made the way it did.
Anonymous2025797
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Ideally a story should be as long as it needs. But reality seems that a number of episodes is decided before production. And so you either have to stretch or cut material. Kinda like that 300 page manga of Les Miserables, is simply unfeasible translating that book into that few pages.
KTravlos
Oberstein was a great character.
KTravlos
I actually feel Aidan can do a good job on it. Sometimes been too exposed to the material may lead to clouded eyes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I'm surprised by how I unexpectedly laughed at wotaku, I do wonder if later on it will include any slight drama elements to sustain interest.
Kaiser-Eoghan
OMO; OBERsteins; Gate =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
From watching episode 2 of golden kamuy, yeah, the source material definitely is lifting this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm going to have to wait and see on steins; gate 0, it is encouraging to here this might be darker , at the same time I remember having to sit through too much goofy humour in the first one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was actually surprised, that, while rare, there were some moments of humour, that lightened it for me.
AidanAK47
Throughout the entire series I expected Oberstein to pull some inevitable double cross. And was shocked when he never did.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Agree with Oberstein. I think antagonists are es important as the mains in fiction and I loved this guy, he's perfect for series like these.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Galactic heroes was an example of where when watching it, when big death scenes occured, I would make noooooo and shouting noises at the screen while clenching my fist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love characters like Oberstein, shrewd, clever, but done right to where I can believe it, not characters like, say Lelouch .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd be concerned if the new galactic heroes series skimps on the violence, that kind of thing needs to be in there, in most shows/films and shown to be explicit, consequences need to be shown.
Amagi
*about, not with
Amagi
Sadly, most original 2+ cours series I know feel dragged whereas many 1 cours originals could have needed ~3 more episodes. Talking with series that have an actual plot of course.
Amagi
I really like the 13 episodes thingy for originals but I wish there would be more 26 episodes series, especially for adaptions.
Amagi
@Kaiser: I agree. Nothing kills my interest faster than formularic episodes and repetition.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In general I think 50 episodes would be the most I'd watch for an anime, 39 seems ideal.
Amagi
Or worse and the romance drama is the main plot and it's Kiznaiver all over again, while the rest is just flavor to make the romances more forced since they're the MCs are only teens and such. Dunno but I can never bring myself to care about this kind of stuff.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though better 110 episodes of galactic heroes than a long shounen that just repeats itself.
Amagi
Speaking of recent episodes, I unironically thing that FranXX's world (building) is pretty interesting (although I hope those klaxxosaurusses will be more than just random cannon fodder) but I doubt the series will ever get to the main plot again the next time.
Amagi
Same here. It was really the only time I did this. I am usually exhausted by just thinking about marathoning long series. It's the reason why I won't get into FMP for the new series either. LotGH was an exception since I found it easily to watch for some reason.
SuperMario
Man, just image burning through 110 episodes of it and my spirit fades away
Amagi
Watched that whole series ages ago.
Amagi
Just watched the first three Neue These episodes and I surprinsingly liked it. Thought I would hate it due to being an OVA fan, and I still prefer the old designs by far but overall it's pretty good. I think I might even prefer this version of the first battle, but I have to rewatch the old one I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also while I can't remember which episode, Yang picks up a book with the author of the series' name on it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Arslan feels so lightweight by contrast/comparison.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I think, given your knowledge KTtravlos, that a series review of the new galactic heroes season would probably benefit from you writing it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I bring up the music in my earlier comment, because I can understand your reservations regarding the music choice in the remake.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And certainly one of those shows, that going back to the first episode after finishing, gives a strong perspective just on how evolving the series was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*despite me not
Kaiser-Eoghan
Despite not being monarchist , because the characters were human moreso than cartoon characters I couldn't hate on Reinhard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: I suppose by the time it got to Julian's arc, I was surprised they were still bothering to fight but the fact that they were essentially the last bastion of their beliefs made it special.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: Sometimes when I just finish a show, its a case where I HAVE to jump online immediately after and excitedly ramble out an essay on it.
niello
ugh democracy
KTravlos
@Kaiser ultimately LOGH for me was a decisive point in my political life, as I think it made the best defense of democracy in any form I have seen. And it worked partly because the opponent was presented in the best possible incarnation (Rienhard). Yang's continued adherence to democracy, despite recongising its flaws, helped me avoid a personal descent into authoritarian politics.
KTravlos
@Kaiser. I am happy you had a good experience. I watched the prequels a while after the main show and I was happy because it was great getting back to those characters. The prequels were also great in fleshing the setting and the characters. So yes, take your time and a break. That way the prequels will be like visiting a place you liked again after a while.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@KTtravlos: I have some other stuff to get through before watching the galactic heroes prequel though =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
YES according to discord poster I'm not a millenial!
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry for overposting. I have always always being an incredibly verbose person.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter; Not that I oppose captilistically made for a buck cinema, it can be entertaining yes, but I set a standard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: As open as I am to trash cinema, I consider the resident evil films, like the superhero ones, anti-art.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can understand why people don't like Villier, but he did I think work as a device to add extra tension.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel some release at finishing but at the same time sadness at saying goodbye to the show and its characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
, showing its age.
But for something of this length, it kept itself up far better than most long shows and I feel the length its somewhat justified.

On another note….as corny as the third ending theme is, I got the feels listening to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But while the first 50 odd episodes were an easy job for me aswell as all of the 4th season and some of the late 3rd season made it difficult for me to pull myself away from it, the dialogue even though often well observed did become difficult to follow at times and somewhere in the middle theres a stretch of episodes, bar some moments that feel a bit of an endurance test and the animation is at
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its attention to detail I felt was at its strongest in the documentary and the series dedication to filling the view in on its world building/fictional history.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I admired the scope, ambition of this series and the battles eventually grew on me and I was surprised by just how visceral the melee combat got which suited me perfectly. At the same time for all the strategy and action, I found myself more in it for the story, characters and intrigue/politicking. Those battles, due in part to their music choices, had an epic feel to them
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the end the characters stood out for me the best were Reinhard, Oberstein (for being essentially the amazing man with the plan), Reuntal, Kircheis and Rubinsky, I warmed up to Julian, Yang and Schenkop. When important deaths occurred, they felt highly dramatic, in four cases emotionally effecting for me .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also, KTtravlos, thank you for pushing me toward watching the original legend of the galactic heroes, my opinion on the series is largely a mixed one, but by the end I felt I’d watched something rewarding and I’m happy its crossed off my list and I should have gotten round to it sooner.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm probably the oldest here, being 32. Which apparently makes me around Yang-wenli's age, which according to someone means I'm middle aged .
Kaiser-Eoghan
To the discord guy who brought it up, its difficult not for me to be political, my father was an activist and is a Marxist , I ended up becoming a contradiction a semi-agnostic, but spiritually inclined/tolerant socialist with internationalist ideology.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Ends in very cliffhanger/abrupt indy way though and the things weakness/how to kill thems too easy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I liked how it explains nothing also and the creature design and how it visual communicates to the audience.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: While I won't say anything, a character death is handled in what I considered a schmaltzy manner. There is a particularly headscratching decision the characters make that you'll either rationalize or hate, but it leads to one of the tenser set pieces later on.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Quiet place has a good idea at its backbone, that they use sign language in the film to communicate and occassional whispers adds to it, it and the silence allows for a mood to be effectively communicated. It does have jump scares, I wasn't annoyed by them, but I never felt the film required them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read the discord, if you ever need to ask a question relating to film, come to me about it, I will without fail be able to answer 9 times out of 10.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was adequately amused by the first episode of wotaku, but found the male lead funnier, which I'm attributing to him be more deadpan.
Lenlo
We found a convient weekend for everyone
Kaiser-Eoghan
*watching
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would also float the idea of recommendation podcasts every now and then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will listen to the podcast more in full later. But I was surprised after asking/suggesting it on the discord, that it came so soon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am thinking of re-watching gasaraki and ai yori aoshi.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: Perhaps after a while of watch the anime I will simply jump on to the manga.
Vonter
I watched Resident Evil: Vendetta yesterday. It's incredible dumb but kind of fun. I do wonder if in terms of entertainment are like the best videogame based movies. Since it plays like a videogame, it's based on a videogame and is more or less in line with the tone the series has had for a while.
niello
It's such a shame that Golden Kamuy art direction is such a train wreck.
KTravlos
and for the sake of Clausewitz there is clinical term for what Reinhard did. It is called "defeat in detail". Napoleon was a master of it. Proper way to defeat it , is to order the threatened force to retreat to a point where other allied forces are converging. The enemy will either have to retreat, or fight at a disadvantage. The 1813 and 1814 campaigns against Napoleon are examples of that.
KTravlos
Episode 2 of LOGGH: Der Neue Thesis was much better than the first. The music is still an issue, but Yang was well portrayed. I do think there is lack of the directors in showing the cruelty of war, like the first one did. We will see.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Still need to see his short films and black Peter.
Amagi
@Anon: I already know the manga and enjoy it, think the anime is a good adaption so far. Feels good to see a series about video games that are actually just games and romance without tsunderes, tons of blushing or unworldly naive harem girls.
Anonymous2016456
the anime
Anonymous2016456
how do you guys think of wotakoi?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Hereditary sounds pretty promising here
Kaiser-Eoghan
Forman's an interesting case, when you look at the huge disconnect from his early films from the 60s and then what he went on to make.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, unfortunately I am not a fan of country music so Nashville didn't appeal to me =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: And before Jack kept playing the same role over and over.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Aside from Courtney Love's presence, Larry Flynt is an excellent film. I love the custom camera tricks Kubrick used in Lyndon , dog day afternoon suceeded for me because it did so much more than being just a bank rob film. I wish Spielberg would return to his pre-90s films .
SuperMario
Cuckoo's Nest reminds me of the great 1975 Oscar Best Picture, which for me was Oscar's greatest line-up. The line-ups for that year were: Cuckoo Nest (winner), Nashville, Barry Landon, Dog Day Afternoon and Jaws
SuperMario
@Kaiser: RIP the man. I've seen 2 of his, Amadeus and Cuckoo Nest. Both great but they were more because of the strength of the source
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Milos forman has died =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
Indeed the character designs in steins; gate have seen changes....shockingly mayuri's chest is larger than Daru's ;)
KTravlos
I can live with that. Interested to see what made you reserved.
SuperMario
@KTravlos: you won't agree with my series review then. I have a lot of reservations on VE
KTravlos
Also I finished Violet Evergarden. This was an exceptional series in my book.
KTravlos
the two characters. Finally the battle soundtrack was simply wrong.

I am going to watch it because it is LOGH. And frankly after watching the new one I felt the fact that the old one was dated technical wise (but not in music). But at least on comparison of first episodes, the old one did a better job at giving depth to Reinhard and Keircheis.
KTravlos
well I watched the first episode of the new LOGH and then watched the first episode of the older version. The update in the art is good..but. If the old one was too talky, this one is too boom boom. I also felt that they did not sue the time well to establish Reihard and Kircheis well. Especially the removal of some lines that were in the first episode of the original, really took away a lot from
SuperMario
@Amagi: I can see your point but what a premise for Golden Kamuy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although golden kamuy is labeled seinen, which gives me some more hope for it.
SuperMario
@Amagi: agree with you about remembering stuffs you've watched. For me, it's always until the second watch that I can remember the plot or characters clearly. Otherwise, all will get hazy like a dream
Anonymous2011116
@Anon Watch a few eps and then male an informed decision based on that; I find the storytelling to be a bit weak but you might not feel the same
AidanAK47
@Anon, If you can ignore the rather odd fanservice and sex symbolism it's actually a pretty enjoyable show with good animation whose story has been getting better.
Amagi
Think it's always the best to watch the first episode since other people might hate something you will love or vice versa.
Amagi
@Anon: For me it still feels like Kiznaiver but I think it really depends on how much you care about the characters and teen relationship deama.
Anonymous2010671
Hey is Darlin the Franxx actually good? It looked kind of just like an ecchi mecha series, but just kind of glancing at the reviews over here makes me think it's more than I'm giving it credit for
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