Posted by psgels on 27 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews



One thing that I noticed after having watched lots of different anime is that gets harder and harder to find series that seriously surpass their own genre. Nevertheless, here is one such series: Kodomo no Omocha is without a doubt and by far the best shoujo romantic comedy I have ever seen. And in fact, aside from Nodame Cantabile I can’t think of any romantic comedy that made a bigger impression on me. I’m still amazed at how this series doesn’t just evade just about every pitfall that so many others of its genre fall in, but it manages to be consistently awesome for no less than 102 episodes!

Both in the romance and comedy department, this series delivers. The comedy always feels fresh, and the show exactly knows when to stop repeating its jokes in order to prevent them from getting stale. What makes the comedy especially enjoyable is the incredible amounts of energy that went into it. Sana surely is someone with at least some form of ADHD, but because of her incredibly bubbly personality the show stays fun from beginning to end. The side characters are also absolutely wonderful. I especially liked Sana’s mom and her antics.

The biggest fear you’d obviously have for such an incredibly long series is the tendency of those series to delve into long, long strings of fillers, but his show manages to avoid that very nicely. There are only about six pure fillers throughout the series: three recaps (which you can pretty much skip without any consequences) and three episodes which take place in some sort of bizarre parallel universe of the series. The latter belong to some of the funniest episodes of the entire series.

The rest of the series is divided in about ten arcs, of around ten episodes each, keeping the content from dragging on for too long. Every single arc has a different focus, but all of them contribute to the development of the cast. Even the most insignificant-seeming episodes have their purpose of fleshing out and bringing the cast of this series to life. The creators make excellent use of foreshadowing and flashbacks, and one particular thing they like is introduce one plot-line that only becomes important many episodes later.

In any case, the result is about 100 episodes worth of development put into the cast, and while the pacing of the drama and romance is pretty slow, the very fast paced comedy makes sure that the series never drags on. The show never forgets that it’s supposed to be a romantic comedy, and therefore maintains an excellent combination between funny and serious scenes: it knows exactly when to be funny and when to leave the jokes for a different time. In the end, the series comes together wonderfully, and the final arc of the series is definitely one of the best of the entire series, with a very satisfying ending.

Watching this series really made me wonder why there are so many other similar shoujo romantic comedies which completely miss the mark or have so much trouble to even fill 26 episodes. The only shows that I can think of that can even remotely remain funny through that airtime are Skip Beat and Perfect Girl Evolution. Apart from that, nearly every other shoujo just seems like an uninspired copy of this series. This series has more ideas stuffed into only 13 episodes than others in 26 of them.

Anyway, enough ranting. The only downside to this series appears in the fansubs, which pretty much belong to the worst subs I’ve ever seen, aside from Coalguys, perhaps. Lines are wrongly timed, badly translated and some are even omitted. There are also about ten episodes in which they for some reason completely change the names of the characters to their English counterparts. And while I can understand that this might be an attempt to make the show more accessible to western audiences, however:
1) Then at least be consistent in this and don’t introduce this halfway and give up just as easily.
2) You really know that things are going wrong when a guy named “Takeshi Gojo” turns into “Wootsie Woosie”. Seriously, who found that a good idea?

Still, that’s what official releases are for. For me, Kodocha stands on top of the shoujo genre, and it has been standing there for more than ten years by now. The sheer amount of creativity fully make up for the huge length of this series. Some of the jokes were utterly brilliant, the wide ensemble of facial expressions has been just priceless, and the cast of characters is just wonderful. Akitaro Daichi seriously is one of the best comedy directors out there. Speaking of which, what has he been doing for the past few years? It’s about time he came with another series, isn’t it?

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 10/10
Production-Values: 8/10
Setting: 9/10

35 Responses

  1. mackreki says:

    You really have a weird sense of humor .

    You think every chick flickish anime is funny. I am seriously glad girls are in the vast minority of anime fandom , or else i would probably have to put up with more crappy series like this .

  2. psgels psgels says:

    Um…. yeah. I’m not sure whether you read the review wrong or I should have explained myself better, but I actually get bored of most shoujo romantic comedies out there. This was one exception that stayed funny through its entire airtime.

    Also, that second statement makes no sense at all. You mean to say that the most shounen romantic comedies are actually funny?

  3. mackreki says:

    I would think many many more people find shonen romantic comedies funny , than their shoujo counterparts , and that is based on facts .

    I mean more shonen romantic comedies are released per anime season , than total shoujo romantic comedies are released each year .

    If a huge amount of people thought like you , then most shoujo’s wouldn’t remain unlicensed , like over 80% of shoujo’s are . If a huge amount of people found shoujo’s funny , then they wouldn’t be the very last series to be fansubbed .

    To answer your second comment , yes i find shonen romantic comedies funny . However , i certainly wouldn’t call most shonen romantic comedies good anime .

  4. psgels psgels says:

    Define “licensed”. I took a look at this page with the list of recent “licences” (including those on crunchyroll), and there are already five shoujo series on that page alone:

    http://animesuki.com/licensed.php

    Also, do note that I somewhat agree with you that most shoujo series are dull, but there are a bunch of really good ones amongst the genre, like this one. But yeah, that’s just my opinion.

    Also, I don’t agree with your statement of “lots of people like it so it must be good”. Take Bleach, Naruto or Dragonball Z for example: some of the most liked shows out there, and while they each have their own good points, I wouldn’t exactly call those the absolute best anime out there.

  5. wheaty says:

    Long time lurker, first time poster here. Really surprised to see a new Kodocha review anywhere. It has a special place in my heart, since it was the show that first got me into anime, way back in the day of VHS fansubs, oy.

    I have to wonder, what fansubs are you referring to? The Kodocha group only translated the first 20-something episodes, some random Chinese -> English group fansubbed most of the second half, and the rest was done by a shitty Hong Kong bootlegger (which I don’t count as fansubbing per se). Unless you’re referring to some other fansubs I don’t know of? And I have not seen the Funimation release, so I can’t comment on the quality of those subs.

    I agree that one of its best aspects is that the show knows when to be serious and when to be silly. It’s the only romcom to consistently make me laugh, shoujo or otherwise. Harem anime in general (if you count them as romcom) are often just plain awkward. As for Toradora, the wunderkind of romcom last season…man I just felt awkward for the characters.

  6. mackreki says:

    May i ask why you are referring to crunchyroll and licensing ? Crunchyroll has nothing to do with licensing . They have their own behind the door deals with certain anime studio’s . That has nothing to do with licensing .

    Either something is licensed or it isn’t. Licensing in the anime world refers to the U.S. Japan and the U.S. make up the vast majority of anime fans . It doesn’t matter if a shoujo or shonen are licensed in lets say Bulgaria , if the show wasn’t popular in Japan , or licensed in the U.S., then it isn’t a popular anime .

    Your Bleach Naruto comment was almost a good point. While the 3 shows you listed are by far the most popular animes in the world , nobody is saying they are the best . I enjoy them all , but i also know that they are mediocre animes for the most part .

    P.S. there hasn’t been a shoujo released since Sailor Moon that has ranked in the top 10 in the weekly japanese ratings .

    That in itself shows you how far down the popularity and quality list shoujo’s are .

  7. mackreki says:

    And one last comment about the licensing .

    Sure there are a few new shoujo’s licensed on the list you provided , BUT you obviously don’t care to look deeper than what is right in front of you .

    The few shoujo listed on that page were released a few years ago . It is no surprise that they are being licensed now after all this time . The fact is shoujo are licensed at a way lower % than shonens . Fact is most shonens are licensed before they even finish airing ,and in a lot of cases , before they start airing .

    Go to wikipedia and go through their list of shoujo’s . The last time i did that around a year ago less than 25% of shoujo’s were licensed , where as well over 60% of shonens were licensed .

    Then again i don’t even know why i went so deep into this . I could of just brought up Vampire Knight and made my point . VK is easily the most popular shoujo of the past 5 years , and yet the first season wasn’t even licensed when the second season was almost finished ( i dont know about now it might of been licensed recently but the point still stands)

  8. karry says:

    “long strings of fillers, but his show manages to avoid that very nicely.”

    Um, yeah, and you just missed all those crappy fillers about her “daddy” ? Just closed your eyes and pretended you never saw them and they dont exist ? Yep, sounds like something you’d do, alright. Those are the worst episodes, but there is an ocean of other fillers, that belong in “kodomo anime”, but shouldnt be in “Kodomo no Omocha”. Manga is much more pure and condensed, 10 volumes of pure goodness. Kodocha is only good for about first 30-40 episodes max, they should have known where to stop.

  9. Tess says:

    Good choice! Kodomo no Omocha remains one of my favorite series ever! Just last year I rewatched the whole thing again. XD Didn’t get bored the second time around.

    However I have to say I prefer the manga to the anime. I think it’s much better even though it doesn’t span that many volumes. One of the best complete manga out there ever, seriously.

  10. Madoka says:

    Shonen Romantic Comedies has alot of boobs jokes….. Of course it will sell better then shoujo comedy animes. Porn is the most popular thing in the world! Also there are many of those lonely otaku losers out there. Don’t anyone tell me that is not true, go to any convention it’s a sea of them.

    Like mackreki said the anime community are mostly guys so of course they are going to licensee more shonen things to sell to the guys. Just like in the video game industry is mostly focused on selling to guys.

    Either way it’s another person thinking popularity = good show

  11. Shippoyasha says:

    I have to agree with the review. I’d actually rate it higher.

    For a shoujo/light-romance show, this show is HILARIOUS. Lots of funny slapstick you might get out of something like South Park or Family Guy. Just weird, weird comedy and it all works.

    Characters are incredibly charming and the whole show just clicks. Definitely one of Akitaroh Daichi classics.

    As for the shoujo-dissers, you can kindly piss off. If you’re going to criticize something over some genre or some preconception and biases, that’s not a credible critique at all. If you want to hold onto those biases, then don’t pass it off as a credible thing to say.

  12. mackreki says:

    Popularity doesn’t equal quality .

    I love shippoyasha apparently directed toward shoujo “dissers” lol . It seems your love/bias for shoujo gives you as little credibility on the subject as someone like me who doesn’t like shoujo for the most part .

    All you girls band together , write thousands of letters to the studio’s , and maybe we can get some better quality shoujo’s to kick start the popularity in the genre .

    If you do that then maybe the average shoujo won’t have the same budget as a shonen series trailer . That is mine , and many others main complaint with the shoujo demo .

  13. psgels psgels says:

    Mackreki: while you raise some good points here and there, I hope that you don’t actually believe that boys only watch shounen series and girls are only into shoujo. I myself am a guy, and I like a good shoujo series once in a while, and there are lots of girl who are into series as Code Geass, and even shounen series as the later versions of Gundam have attractively drawn men in them in order to attract fangirls.

  14. mackreki says:

    There people go with assuming again.

    To be honest i don’t even have a clue why how you could come to the conclusion that i think men only watch shonen, and females only watch shoujo. We are talking about majority here . There are at least 10 male anime fans for every 1 female fan (and i am being real generous as it is most likely an even wider margin in male/female ratio)

    You can find guys who watch soap opera’s and asian drama’s , but the vast majority of the viewers are females .There are many more male sports fans than female sports fan , but there are still female fans .Different people have different tastes , and that is why ratings and such are based off the average person , and not off of someone like a hardcore female sports fan who doesn’t give an accurate depiction of the average female .

    And a little p.s. Only 1 Gundam series has ever had decent ratings with female viewers , and that was the original.There are actually quite a few female Gundam fans , but that is because it is the most popular anime franchise ever created , and there are tons of Gundam fans in general . The art isn’t to get fangirls interested , it is the way gundam series have always been animated . The prettier character designs are something that is common place in almost all anime these days . It is called the changing of technology.

    @psgels i also enjoy a good shoujo series at times , but there are few and far between that are quality. When they get a decent budget like Escaflowne , they can turn out great .When they get the usual shoujo budget , people would be better served to watch an average shonen that will have twice the budget .

  15. psgels psgels says:

    In the same way, it would help me a lot if you were to cite your sources instead of stating these vague-sounding facts. If I look up some anime related sites on the following website:

    http://www.quantcast.com/

    And for regular anime sites, the ratio of males vs females is about 3:1 or 4:1, and for the anime blogging sites, the amount of male and female visitors are about equal. I don’t see anywhere that 10:1 ratio that you keep talking about. Either that, or there are hardly any female anime fans in Japan. Shoujo series should indeed be blessed with a bigger budget every once in a while, but I don’t think that a lack of females is the biggest reason that there are so little high budged shoujo series.

  16. Wyrdwad says:

    Yay, I’m glad you finally got a chance to see this show! I don’t think I’ve ever shown this to ANYONE who’s disliked it. It’s pretty much a universally appealing anime, and stands as one of my top ten favorite of all time. Sana and Hayama will go down in history as two of the most memorable, likable, adorable characters ever to appear in any show, as far as I’m concerned. (:

    Now, just to give you my annual bothering… go watch Planetes!! (: Heheheheheh…

    -Tom

  17. mackreki says:

    Why would i state sources for common sense? If anything i stated was wrong , you would of had 20 links by now proving it . I don’t just make things up like 90% of people on the internet . When i throw out stats i also always go with the under as people like to go overboad .

    Your problem is you don’t live in the U.S. or Japan , so you really don’t have much clue about the anime industry . Those 2 countries hold the vast majority of anime fans .

    And yes i spent the majority of my life in Japan . Go to a convention in Japan and you won’t find 1 girl for 100 males at the conventions . You don’t see girls in Japan ever talking about anime . Females in Japan are much bigger on manga . Likewise , it is very similar in the u.s. Only 1 shoujo has been broadcast fully in the u.s. in the last 15 years ( although this has changed recently with a couple of shoujo’s being broadcast on sci fi). I am sure you can guess that the shoujo broadcast was Sailor Moon .

    And i really don’t understand how you think i am making things up . Go look up the number of shonen/seinen animes and compare it with the number of shoujo’s each year . Shonens and Seinens make up over 80% of all anime material released each year . Again it doesn’t take long to do with math , so link something if you think im lying .

    Explain why most shoujo’s never get licensed , and the ones that do can take a few years ? Now explain why that is , and why almost every single shonen/seinen is licensed before they finish airing .

    I suggest watching Genshiken if you want an accurate depiction of anime fandom . Of course i am not talking about studying the main characters because they are Otaku , and Otaku make up a small % of anime fans , kine of like Yaoi fans :).

    One last thing that i have to say because it really shows your lack of knowledge in regards to statistics . Nobody knows the gender of people who go to anime sites , or blog sites .Even if they did that has almost no bearing on the ratio of male/female anime fans . Japan probably has more anime fans than the rest of the world combined , and most of them will never go to sites like this , or crunchyroll , because most Japanese can’t speak English well , or at all. Not to mention i have 3 accounts on Crunchyroll , and all signed up as female gender.

    You ignore the real facts like numbers of shonen/seinen released in comparison to shoujo , or how the budgets greatly differ between them . Or even how most shoujo’s won’t get subbed for a very long time , where as almost every shonen/seien is subbed immediately after airing .

    And perhaps the biggest piece of evidence is the fact that i am discussing shonen/seinen together , yet there is nothing to pair with shoujo . There is what like 1 josei released every 3 years?

  18. psgels psgels says:

    Well, yeah, you have me there. I’m really bad with debates like this, and again this shows here.

    On a side-note though, I don’t think that Josei shows are doing that bad. Sure, there’s not a lot of them (although they appear more than just once every three years), but the Noitamina timeslot has featured many josei-series like Nodame Cantabile, Honey and Clover and quite a few more, and they always are the most watched anime at late night timeslots.

  19. Wyrdwad says:

    I’m a guy, and I love shoujo anime. Always have, always will. Most of my male friends are the same, and I’ve met a lot of Japanese men who are closet shoujo fans.

    Shoujo shows may be aimed at girls, but guys probably watch them a lot more often – sometimes for impure reasons – and that’s why they gain a lot of popularity in Japan. And then here in the U.S., I seriously think there are more female anime fans than male. If you go to anime conventions, there are WAY more girls than guys, every time. And I’ve been to a LOT of conventions.

    -Tom

  20. Shippoyasha says:

    PSGels, I agree with you completely. Just ignore that troll. “Come up with 20 sources”? What the hell?

  21. Shippoyasha says:

    “Not to mention i have 3 accounts on Crunchyroll , and all signed up as female gender.”

    Sorry, mackreki, but that struck me as HILARIOUS. That just came out of the left field and it just strikes as disingenuous. Just from that single line.

    And yes, the obvious part of your point is that a lot of the animated shows are male oriented, but your freewheeling bashing of shoujo shows just strikes me as funny. A lot of shoujo shows do get a proper budget to look their part, especially if they’re the types that can appeal to a broader demographic like Skip Beat or Shugo Chara. So you’re basing the quality of a show from their BUDGET and the demographic and the GENRE itself? That is simply not a credible argument. So you condemn shoujo shows before you even watch it. Good for you. Doesn’t do anything for those open to such shows without such wild preconceptions about them. Living in Japan? Watching Genshiken? HUH? Yes, we know that openly admitting to anime fandom isn’t that big in Japan, but what does that have to do with the quality of the shows themselves? What does that have to do with the masterpiece in Kodocha? And aiming at girls simply isn’t that big of a deal to me. Maybe it’s earthshattering to you, but that’s still a matter of subjectivity isn’t it? To try to bridge that kind of extreme subjectivity into an objective one isn’t working here.

  22. mackreki says:

    fyi Shugo Chara and Skip Beat do not have large budgets , and Shugo Chara was up to episode 70 and still not licensed . It is just another example that makes my point . Shugo chara and VK are easily the two most popular shoujos in recent years , and neither were licensed within 18 months of release.

    Seriously , i wish people could actually speak japanese before they say certain things.If you could speak japanese , then you could go to any number of japanese language sites , and see the actual numbers. Then these people say things like Link link link .If you want to start an argument , just because you don’t like the answer, well then you can’t be helped , and people won’t waste their time searching for you.

    And it is true . I have 3 female accounts , and 2 male accounts on crunchyroll. Would that not skew the numbers when trying to figure out the gender percentages?

    @ Tom . There is no reason to lie . I have lived in the U.S. for some years now , and conventions don’t have nearly as many girls as guys , although it is much much closer than the difference in Japan . I have been to conventions in Florida Chicago New York among many other places , and never were there more females than males . It was never even really close enough for it to even be a debate either .

    I guess if you live in South Dakota or something similar, you may see 10 females and 5 males at a convention .

    I love how people with extreme biases spout off random crap when realists like me say things they don’t want to hear . You label me as a shoujo hater because you don’t have any legs to stand on , and can’t stand hearing the truth .

    You also spout out things that you have no clue about .I have watched well over 400 series INCLUDING most shoujo’s. I have two shoujo’s in my top 10 anime of all time . None of that changes that everything i said is a fact.

  23. Kurisu says:

    mackreki: Why don’t you spend your precious time earning money for therapy? How many of those 400 series you watched did you pay for? Close to none, of course. You’re nothing but a criminal and loser to me.

    By the way, if you don’t like, don’t watch it! This eternal truth is more important than E=mc^2.

  24. Madoka says:

    mackreki posts made me think about the anime industry more in depths and I came up with a theory.

    I think anime such as sci-fi and shounen comedy are more popular here and licensed more is because the American entertainment industry does not make these types of shows. Hence Americans who wants these types of shows go to foreign producers such as Japan to satisfy their demand.

    Think about it! Are there many American sci-fi shows as much as anime….. no. American sci-fi tends to be live action and the production is typically cost higher to make all the sci-fi scenes where in anime it’s drawn and it’s easier create new and original ideas.

    Censorship is common in America. There is no place for shounen romance comedy due to the boobs jokes.

    For shoujo type animes there is competition in Amercia. One Tree Hill, Spanish Soaps, Gossip Girls to name a few.

    Why would American girls go get their drama kicks from anime when they can get it from their own country’s entertainment industry?

  25. Madoka says:

    Oh yeah forgot something else to say.

    “I am seriously glad girls are in the vast minority of anime fandom , or else i would probably have to put up with more crappy series like this.”

    So you are saying that if there were more girls into anime that they will find this show appealing. Hence you are admitting that this shoujo show has succeeded within it own audience. What is wrong with that???

    “All you girls band together, write thousands of letters to the studio’s, and maybe we can get some better quality shoujo’s to kick start the popularity in the genre.”

    ….. wait you don’t like shoujo and you said you were glad that there wasn’t many fangirls to make the industry more preoccupied . Now you telling girls to demand more anime to make more shoujo…..

    Maybe it’s just me but I don’t find a connection between production budget and quality anime. Probably because I don’t give a shit about animation quality. If mackreki sees this connection then I guess he will always generally look down on shoujo. It’s subjective so no one is wrong here.

    mackreki says that popularity does not equal quality but everything he has said contradicts that.

    Such as stating that more demand for shoujo will equal to more better shoujo. Hence popularity equal to quality….what!!!?

  26. Wyrdwad says:

    Otakon, dude. Otakon is over half girls, every time. And it’s the biggest anime convention on the east coast.

    Also, I speak Japanese fluently. And lived in Japan for many years.

    So yeah. Sorry, but you’re no more of an expert on this than I am… and I’m quite certain you are incorrect. (:

    -Tom

  27. Shippoyasha says:

    mackreki, I think you are simply misinterpreting everything here. Just because shoujo shows aren’t as popular simply due to the demographics, that does not indicate their actual quality or the original story’s quality or how good the production value is. Sure, shonen and male-oriented shows do get the attention. Simply hedging the entire quality of shoujo shows, many of which I thought were just as good, if not better than many male oriented shows, it simply doesn’t add up to me. And also, you can stop lecturing on the demographics or being able to speak Japanese here. I can speak Japanese too, BTW, but I don’t make it a point to use that as a crutch in my argument. Shoujo shows are simply under appreciated. I think this entire argument is proof of that. It simply gets demonized for no apparent reason.

  28. mackreki says:

    @ shippoyasha The Japanese language comment isn’t a crutch , and it is a very valid argument when certain people in question are arguing things that have factual answers if only they could understand japanese ie budgets of series ratings etc.

    @ Tom Otakon does not have more girls than guys , and i have been there 3 times now . Stop lying it is pointless and doesn’t make your argument better . There are many others here who disagree with me in a logical manner , and don’t have to resort to lies to make their cases .

    Here are some Otakon facts for Tom .

    There has never been more females than males at Otakon

    Otakon does have a higher percentage of females than most conventions .

    The vast majority of these females aren’t anime fans and go there to rave . Another large percentage of these women were hired for cosplay , and have no interest in anime.

    The saddest part is that even someone who hasn’t been to Otakon could of researched these things with ease .

  29. ceillo says:

    Okay. . . that was interesting.

    Well, Kodomo no Omocha has a special place in my heart. I haven’t watched the anime but I’m glad that it turned out to be a good adaptation of the manga. Anyway, just stopped by to thank you for giving this such a good score. :)

  30. Camila says:

    a mi me parece una muy divertida serie, como no sabia como bajarla, me puse a ver la serie entera de kodomo no omocha…

    me fascino y no he podido dejar de repetir una y otra vez de verla.

  31. Jonathan Schor says:

    The bad translations are from a cheap and poorly done Hong Kong knockoff.

  32. Theowne says:

    Wonderful show, wonderful characters. Thank you for introducing it to me through this review.

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  34. Muriel says:

    I like kodomo omocha child play..pls make season 3 …It is the best comedy anime ever

  35. JJR says:

    Finished Season 1 of Kodocha, loved it. It’s a shame FUNimation still hasn’t been able to dub Season 2 (the Middle School years). I had very low expectations when I started Kodocha, but it always proved entertaining and emotionally satisfying. It deals with some pretty heavy emotional stuff, and more than once the story brought tears to my eyes.

    Laura Bailey does a great job, and I love Colleen Clinkenbeard’s understated performance as Sana’s eccentric mother. I wonder if Season 2 will ever get dubbed or not. I have no interest in watching it in the original Japanese.

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But I think what gets me the most its how it beats the dead horse of the 80s action hero arc. Van Damme, Arnold and Stallone had more or less these type of lines. Its kind of funny this anime pretends these aren't tropes we don't use anymore because of how corny they come off. It'll definitely work better as an abridged series since it can be very boring when it tries to add the school life moment
Anonymous3321080
Also Mahou Spec Ops... Is interestingly bad. It tries to be exploitative and shocking but feels very sloppy, kinda like that meme of *slow heavy metal music plays* It also wants to play it like a dark shoujo anime, but the cute monsters are just distracting.
Anonymous3321080
Reading your conversations about idols, despite being mediocre Gokudolls and Ore Mahou Shoujo made jabs at that culture. At least painting some aspects that may be true of how exploitative it is. I suppose because those are subpar, over the top and cheap is what they can do that. Can't remember one aside from Perfect Blue which criticizes that industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But only if there was more anime noirs.
Amagi
Reminds me of that stalin vs hitler comic. Think it was russian. They're attacking each other with magical super powers there. And yeah, I love noir now that you mention it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: That'd make for a great noir story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Imagine Stalin and Hitler trolling each other on twitter.
Amagi
It's easy to construct superiority when you never have to show your private face and never participate in mundane chat talks or so.
Amagi
I bet a lot of people who had some aura of authority back then due to only ever appearing in books or for very rare (scripted) speeches would probably laughing stocks now if we'd see them commenting on daily stuff and news on twitter or reddit.
Amagi
I personally have given up upon having heroes. I still find a lot of historical people interesting but let's be real the few of them that weren't blatanly bad in some way were different then we imagine them to be (even if they're good). Just look how different people feel now that you see them tweeting on twitter VS policians etc decades ago.
Amagi
I like the idea of a main character longing for a dead friend and role model he had and still idolizes. Then at some point he starts reconstructing his friend's past to cherish his memories about him even more but finds out that the friends wasn't the hero he believed him to be and maybe even the own memories of him were idealized a lot over the years after his death without him even noticing.
Amagi
Yeah we are always searching for some sort of über-ich or perfect being that symbolizes the goal of some personality growth we're trying to achieve.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or the reason why some people need to have so many things or idols they probably don't need.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think there is a genetic/mental inadequacy in humanity that makes us susceptible to following "higher people who we forget are actually human" because of our own desire for an avatar or general inadequacy as human beings.
Amagi
Yeah this. It's probably also why they defend them so eagerly. Because it's actually true that "their" version of that person would never do that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: And that probably creates a much stronger blow to them when the actor is found guilty of a crime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Very good response.
Amagi
It's kinda weird how almost everything we know about others is actually just interpretation to some degree.
Amagi
The weird thing is that I think that many fans of acrots/celebrities rather create their own versions of them they fall in love with rather than loving the actual person, whom they barely even know. It's fun because the concept of a waifu sounds extremely weird to normal people, but many normal people kinda do this too but with real persons (but imaginary personality).
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think thats where it starts getting obsessive or where it gets too close to the next level, such as what the anon mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also can't bring myself to get too attached to a celebrity or to a character. I do look at hentai doujins yes but, I've probably had thoughts about certain actors or what not, but I never actually want to sleep with them, again I think that's taking fantasy too far.
Amagi
I never know if these are serious celebrations or rather some fun memes they do to post, I always assumed the latter. Kinda.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think the fans celebrating the idol's birthday thing is taking it to far too, especially if its an anime character.
Amagi
Yeah I was never an idol fan either, and I don't just mean the idol genre in anime but anything similar to idol stuff in general, like being a fanboy/girl of some celebrity or something. Was never able to get into that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its all too superficial.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Don't like the ideas it gives teenage girls either .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Certain topics just set me off =<
Amagi
The third episode of Wake Up girls was pretty good in that regard. I think it was the third one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But yes, thats a pretty bad story what happened to the woman you mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Might be a good idea to catch some documentaries on that topic .
Kaiser-Eoghan
But that was just a sentence from some guy on a podcast though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now though I didn't see it, I do recall someone saying some of that Wake up girls idol anime slightly brought up seedier parts of the industry if not much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The hallow shallowness of the idol industry I mean.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also dislike the shallowness of it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love how Perfect blue takes influences from those gialli/giallo style films from the 60s/70s to an extent, while also spitting on the industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But you know what sucks? A part of me, both in regards to those women (and probably some of the male idols) whether it be in reality or animation, I can't actually deny finding some of these men/women actually physically attractive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Music industry has its seediness just about everywhere and of course victim blaming going to appear everywhere, not just Japan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*commodification-consumerist
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I hate capitalism, I hate the idol communication-commercialist industry and the willing self-aware slaves and their masters who perpetuate it, the music is largely awful aswell. I don't watch most of the idol anime, I think the idea of 30 something men throwing cash it is awful.
Anonymous3319279
Wonder if there will be some modern equivalent of Perfect Blue? That was a scathing critique of the idol industry back in the late 90s. Although given how shows that are flat out glorifying the industry are the best-selling shows on BD every year, I doubt it.
Anonymous3319279
In short, she was assaulted by two men at her home who were then arrested. Then she was pressured by her managers into claiming that she was to blame for this, not the men and apologizing to an audience.
Anonymous3319279
Hearing about what happened to some idol named Mahohon seriously makes me wonder if idol culture in Japan seriously needs an overhaul and if media needs to stop glorifying the industry so much.
Anonymous3319260
Ok. No pressure, just asking.
AidanAK47
@Anon, we are working on it. It's nearing completion and should be posted soon.
Anonymous3318799
I don't know if I missed it. But have you put the overview of 2018? Of best show, best character, etc. Did 2018 had a good anime villain?
Masky
Anyhoo, surprisingly Lovecraft's books have some really faithful manga adaptions
Masky
A story set in world post "Cthulhu"(or whatever is setting equivalent) awakening and transcending humans into "savage" inhuman world that he is supposed to bring forth
Masky
Ya know, speaking of lovecraft here is what I really want to see:
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well I guess Die Farbe and whisperer in the darkness count and the cthulu one, the latter two were done by the Lovecraft society.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The closest we got with an actual adaptation was Dreams of the witchhouse , but they left out Nyarlathotep.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Those films were fun, but none of them dated well either.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have to seperate my knowledge of the books from Stuart Gordon and Brian yuznas films that borrow elements and titles from Lovecrafts works, once I accept their takes on him are just body horror a black comedies I can kind of accept it more.
Lenlo
I think Junji Ito's manga works have come the closest to Lovecrafts brand of horror, and we all saw how that adaptation went.
Lenlo
Yeah, Lovecraft is a hard one. Even his own books are hit or miss, because it is a very fine line for his brand of psychological horror. Would make for an interesting and unique anime if done well though
Kaiser-Eoghan
A lovecraft themed world would find some difficulty in getting the atmosphere right as he has proved difficult to adapt.
Lenlo
Ah. Yeah, a non-traditional setting like that would be good. I think Isekai, to really change it up, should start going for non-traditional settings. Sci-Fi, Lovecraft, etc. I think this was mentioned before yeah?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I believe the anon was saying it in relation to making a good setting for an isekai show.
Lenlo
Its why I standby Sakaki in this that, even if he was a dick about it, he is right to be angry at how it all placed out. Just not at Kurahara.

Also @Anon, I loved Bloodborne! No idea what the convo is about, but saw it mentioned
Lenlo
They should Kaiser, I agree. Just look at American college football right now. ITs coming out all over the place, and people wonder why teams dont speak out against it. Its because they are kids, they think "This is how its SUPPOSED to be. Only the best make it. Its not the coaches fault, he makes us win". etc etc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is a spinoff anthology for bloom into you's manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or other big issues relating to sports such as performance enhancing drugs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lenlo, a thought popped into my head there, more sports shows should focus on abuse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think flipflappers is one of my favourites in years, but it was definately at its best when it wasn't really about wrapping up its story.
Amagi
Space Dandy and Kaiba had this to some degree too. Liked both series.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Kinda sad that the latter half of Flip Flappers was rather weak because it started with this different worlds idea.
Amagi
I think Matsumoto stuff might actually be the very first anime I have seen in my life, not regularly though and usually when I was in Italy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The noir world could be in black and white.
Kaiser-Eoghan
How about another world that has different sections that follow different genres?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Helped greatly by his use of artistic cinematography and use of dramatic stills.
Anonymous3316528
Old anime has very bitter stories. Despite the old drawings, several had harsh live lessons. Osamu Dezaki had such a talent to direct drama.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I need to actually watch that Leiji Matsumoto stuff some day.
Anonymous3316528
Also Galaxy Express 99 I think also treated that topic.
Anonymous3316528
@Kaiser-Eoghan Wasn't that Gate?
Anonymous3316528
Just like how Gundam made one for the Vietnam War.
Kaiser-Eoghan
A proper story dealing with isekai and immigration crisis.
Anonymous3316528
I mean they could make an allegory of the Berlin Wall.
Anonymous3316528
So Papers Please the anime?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think a romance themed isekai involving borders and beraucracy getting in the way could work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked those czech Jules verne animations.
Anonymous3316528
I suppose the work for creating assets for new settings it's why they don't do it. Most Isekai seem like they can take a tree, or a house from previous works and just change them a little.
Anonymous3316528
On second thought, that was technically the Anastasia animated movie.
Anonymous3316528
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Yeah. Just take the roadmap Bloodborne put out. It's even the perfect setting for an antihero archetype, considering these settings are about the hunt, surviving and superstition. I'll also like the Russia setting, harsh weather, espionage, travelling through train, boat and land like Jules Verne's Ivan Strogoff
Kaiser-Eoghan
That time I got reincarnated in the Soviet union.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd love to see an anime set in Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gothic horror or industrial if only for liking the genre. I still want my anime western.
Anonymous3316528
All in all as I always say. I want new settings, steampunk, western, egyptian, chinese, space, nuclear dystopian, castaway, underwater, skyworld, gothic horror. Or any other tired trope other than european medieval fantasy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, with the nostalgia of old games undertale went for, but without the maudlin di7alogue.
Anonymous3316528
Or something like Mad Max or the RPG series it inspired Metal Max. Maybe another one inspired by Phantasy Star.
Anonymous3316528
I got it! What if someone makes an Isekai on the vein of Earthbound or Undertale. I mean most are influenced by the standard fantasy JRPG. So why not take from the less typical ones?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just for the novelty of it, I would like to see an anime about a relationship between un-traditional/un-usual couples that we never see.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Maybe that'd be cheesy or something but they manage to form new friendship/families which allow them to put behind what they lost.
Amagi
I like semi-episodical series that have an episodical plot and a golden thread at the same time, the latter usually being more subtile or like a subplot and each episodical adventure gives the audience a few new hints or informations about the setting, characters or main plot.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wouldn't even mind a drama driven otherworld story about a depressed person trying to move on and the new world actually helping them move past that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So how about my don-quixhote anime Japan =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
But at the same time there's a bunch of serious stuff, but its not clashing with the lighthearted stuff badly.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite type of adventure story though are the ones where its more about the journey and hangout, sometimes the story appears here and there. And its usually centred around three goofballs with alot of chemistry.
Amagi
Sadly there never is any culture clash or culture shock either, speaking of the LN/game mechanic isekai here. The isekai people are just like the people of nowadays Japan but with swords and magic, basically. Maybe a few rituals at best.
Amagi
An isekai should be like King of Thorns despite KoT not being an actual isekai. But awakening in another world, not understanding anything, exploring, mysteries and slowly piecing things together that make the MC understand the logic of that new world a bit better while trying to integrate into the foreign culture.
Amagi
@Kaiser/Anon: I feel like that too. I love explore and isekai would be perfect for exploration and yet it's always about the MC finding his place as soon as he got teleported, he finds his crew, friends, house, power and so on.
Amagi
@Anon: You're right I watched a few scenes, the dub actually fits pretty well to Nanbaka. The series itselfs is too insane for me I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lack of journey, focuses too much on harem/romcom bits.
Amagi
I have yet to watch Voltron. The animation looks somewhat weird to me but everything else I heard about it so far sounds pretty good.
Lenlo
I welcome the essays Kaiser! Sakaki is a much more complex character than I expected, and Animosh is right that it doesnt justify his actions. I didnt mean to imply that. I do think however that Sakaki is not wrong to be angry. He is just directing it at the wrong person.
Anonymous3316315
@Kaiser-Eoghan - In what sense? In that it isn't a journey? A quest? A series of trials? The hunt of ancient treasure? Or whatever dimension hoping happens in Milk Closet?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Well said about Sakaki's character and I agree with you on it. Saves me writing an essay response now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Tangent, but I want to say something, one of the most annoying things about LNs is when they do the isekai thing, the other world almost never feels like an adventure.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I honestly wouldn't complain if it was full blown yuri or shoujo-ai.
Anonymous3316315
@Kaiser-Eoghan - A lot of series have hard ship baiting. Voltron, She Ra, Seraph of the End, Korra (which at the last second they did it). I know sometimes is a stretch like Frodo and Sam in LotR or Venom and Eddie. But other times it's that relationship in everything but name.
Kaiser-Eoghan
People seem to play up the shoujo-ai thing in Euphonium.
Anonymous3316315
@Amagi - Nanbaka has a good English dub. They knew the delivery had to be as hammy as possible.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm looking forward to those Gundam NT films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I didn't finish violet evergarden nor did I watch tsurune. In the priors case, that was something I would have seen myself liking maybe 10 years ago.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I liked Koe no kitachi aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
We can call it Racing Lads.
Amagi
Okay thanks. I can deal with slow pacing as long as there is an atmosphere or good character story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Free and kaze cross over WHEN!
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked how scaled back it was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I think you were asking about the new kyoani movie earlier? I can't remember if I posted about it on here what I thought, but I actually liked it more than the main Euphonium series, it stood out in its adherence to using body language, silence and movements moreso than dialogue while giving me a coming of age movie I had been asking for. Though some won't like the glacial pacing
Amagi
KazeGa is pretty damn good. It kinda feels like it actually is what Kyoani is always trying to do when they produce sport series with a male cast that are half comedy half drama. But while I often like some aspects of Kyoani shows (like the setting and themes of VEG), I never like the execution, save from the looks of course that are awesome but don't help making the content any better.
Amagi
*above
Amagi
@SuperMario: IIRC mosts Steven Universe VAs are actual singers so they should be a level about typical VAs anyway. Not sure who's voice acting for RWBY.
Amagi
But since I watch everything seasonally subs are faster and I usually don't rewatch series, otherwise a rewatch could be a good reason to watch the dubs for the second time.
Amagi
At least eng dubs got way better in general over the yers. Probably because anime is more mainstream now. Maybe I would like many of them more if I started with the dub.
SuperMario
Maybe it’s a translation issue, by that I mean usually some nuance from the native language is lost in translation. That issue can be alright if it subs, but when saying it out loud it becomes unnatural?
Amagi
Japanese VAs also talk a lot about their characters and give interviews about them, including their own interpretations or head canon stuff. Not sure if western VAs of Japanese shows do that too.
Amagi
Instead when it's a foreign show there is nothing to do but to memorize the finished lines and everything is already set in stone, so you are 100% passive and can't really view it as your or your team's work.
Amagi
I often heard that western VAs thought up some ideas that were integrated into the script. Not sure if that's the case for most cartoons of if these were exceptions, but it could be a hint that VAs are way more involved into a show and the development of their characters when it is a native show, it's kinda logical.
Amagi
Yeah, native stuff is usually better.
SuperMario
Then again, I enjoy the English VA of western cartoon like RWBY or Steven Universe so I guess it’s just a matter of original intended language for me
SuperMario
Well, I’m not a fan of dubbing either. Not that much of a dub-hater but I remember watching Monster and Cowboy Bebop in english dub before I had to switch back to Japanese voice midway through
Amagi
Still living ones I mean. But as said actual movies are usually well dubbed, so I guess it depends on how much money something generates.
Amagi
I knew a bunch of old ones but they're all dead by now. Know maybe three or so with name and face (and often don't even recognize them in movies) and another 6-10 by name only.
Amagi
@Kaiser: To be honest I never know any actors no matter how well known they are.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Is it awkward hearing a famous actor you associate too much with a certain role, voicing an anime character?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also, what is the stance on professional well known film actors voicing anime movie dubs?
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