Posted by psgels on 30 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Mobile Suit Gundam 00



Gundam 00 was the first long Gundam series that was split into two halves of about 25 episodes, rather than continuing for a full run of 50. In te end, it turned out into a decent series: it does the job it’s supposed to do, but it wasn’t anything really outstanding. The second season unfortunately was a bit weaker than the first.

While the first series had some interesting politics in the beginning, the second season drops the politics aspect completely and instead focuses much more on delivering solid action and the story becomes much more character-focused. Central to the story are various different conflicts between opposing sides, and these really range from utterly abysmal (Saji and Louise whine way too much throughout the series) to engaging and pretty good (Allelujahh and Marie). Especially Setsuna deserves credit, as he grows into a solid and capable male lead.

This approach has its good and bad sides. As I said: whenever the good characters take up the spotlight, the series becomes pretty enjoyable, but in the end the second season is just too formulaic. There are too many random battles that don’t stand apart from each other; they hardly ever resolve something and usually end up with both parties simply retreating. Most of the major villains lack development (especially the innovators, who apart from Regetta have as much personality as a paper bag), and all in all, this second season could have also been done in 13 episodes without losing much of the content or impact.

So in the end, this really is a series for those who want lots of solid action. If you’re not into that, then there really isn’t a lot left to watch in this series. The animation pretty good overall, but for me it was hardly ever really aestetically pleasing; the soundtrack is excellent, though. It’s not a bad series by far, and it has some pretty enjoyable parts (my personal favourite being the fall of the elevator), but there are lots of better mecha-series out there.

Storytelling: 8/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 8/10
Setting: 7/10

20 Responses

  1. DmonHiro says:

    This was SO anti-climactic. This is one of the worst and lamest endings to a Gundam show I’ve seen. The final battle was a joke, the Aeolia plan was a bigger joke, and Ribbons himself was THE joke. I had to wash this foul taste with the final episodes of Gundam SEED. THAT was a great final battle. Not 10 idiots fighting, with 2 idiots fighting in the end, but two worlds, nuclear powered attacks, spamming beams for 20 minutes, death, revenge, and an enemy with real depth and motivation. Sunrise, you failed me with Destiny, you fail me with this.

  2. TJ says:

    the final battle would have been okay IF they didn’t bring out the 0 and Exia again. Just end it with the two strongest Gundams in the series and be done with it.

    I agree the soundtrack/OP/ED are excellent. Ash Like Snow/Friends remains the best anime OP and ED combo I’ve ever heard.

  3. Lucas says:

    The last episode due to the editing allows for time to go by to explain the scenes we see. It is not a Disney ending. Aeolia’s plan lead to the concentration of power and once the corrupted head was removed the new people in charge over time started mending things.
    The change shown is implied to have taken time and not happen overtime. Mr Bushido was there as an homage to the original Gundam and also to show man’s limits and the innovator’s power. In the original Gundam you had Naturals and Newtypes. Aolia’s plan will be further covered in the movie next year. Setsuna as an Innovator and Bushido as a human will face again. It will cover the whole dilemma of wether innovators are better or not. Wait for the movie in 2010 to complete the story.

  4. I swear to god some of you people are entirely unpleasable when it comes to mecha anime. The impression I’m getting is that you are all saying “I don’t know what kind of ending I would have wanted, but it wasn’t this”, as it probably would have been for any ending they came up with or frankly anything they tried to do with the show period. I mean no wonder some people have a wishy washy impression of the show when they are like that the whole way through.

    Whatever…..at least I’m satisfied……

  5. pgal says:

    “So in the end, this really is a series for those who want lots of solid action. If you’re not into that, then there really isn’t a lot left to watch in this series.”

    I agree. Being someone who doesn’t care about action and battles, there was not anything to look forward to.

  6. Zetatrain says:

    I agree that the first season was a bit better than the second, although I still throughly enjoyed both seasons. The problem with season 2 is that it bites off more than it can chew. In the first season the characters did not receive much attention, but in season 2 focus shifts dramatically to the characters. The problem is that there were just way too many characters to focus on and not enough time to develop them all properly, yet sunrise still tries to give everyone their fair share of time, but in the end some characters do not receive adequate development or time (Graham Acre).

    At the same time the plot is also neglected, resulting in a slightly disappointing plot, but I’ll wait until the movie to pass final judgment on the story. Maybe this could have been avoided if a little more focused was directed towards the characters in Season 2. Overall season 2 was decent at the very least and was enjoyable to watch.

  7. midenz says:

    Both seasons were enjoyable but i too think the 1st had more impact, idk but i think they tried to hard to go for a boom with the 2nd season

  8. Shippoyasha says:

    00 is a strange beast, because it has some solid foundations and the whole Celestial Being intervention idea is pretty intriguing and apparently it will still go on. The second half of the second season had too much melodrama for melodrama’s sakes and yeah, the actions sorta didn’t connect to one another at times.

    That said, it helps that is had some of the most epic Gundam fights in Gundam history while they were at it. IMO, out of like top 10 best Gundam fights, this show might have had like 7 out of my top 10. At least.

  9. GGear0323 says:

    i will say this, i also liked the first season as a whole better than the second, not by much, but the first half or maybe first ten episodes of season 2 were great. i do agree that there was a few too many characters to be able to flesh out everyone, and the problem with stuff like this is that when you introduce us to someone and make it seem they are important in some aspect, you expect them to get more in depth with that character at some point, but they couldnt do that with everyone. it probably would have been better if they just trimmed the cast in the second season by offing some people for reals at the end of the first.

  10. Giovanni P. says:

    Im sick of people bad-mouthing the ending.

    You want a horrible ending? Go watch BOTH Seed Series. They sucked so bad it made SD Gundam look way more appealing. Seriously, WTH was the ending supposed to be like? The final battle was epic. IDC what anyone says, you can’t tell me that Neil didn’t own that innovator with two pinkys and that Ribbons classic RX-78 did not look badass with just a beam sword.

    The story is for this generation of Gundam fans, not for those who saw Gundam Wing on Toonami or are into mecha genre as a whole. Although I Defenatly agree there are better series of MSG, this is on my top five of all time.

    The character buildup was great. Most characters that seemed insufficiant
    got their shine. 9/10

    Plot was ok. A little on the far out there scale. 8/10

    Mecha design, psh no comment. 9.5/10

    Overall 9.2/10

    At least there was no gay shouting in this one like in seed/seed destiny

  11. SonicSP says:

    Well,it’s hard to make a movie when you have an ending that solves everything and most of the goals of the plans has already been explained if you bother to look at certain scenes scattered through the series even if it hasnt been solved yet.

    Still the thing is,00 is a multimedia project,it’s not an anime that has spinoffs,the anime is only one piece;the main piece but still one piece nonetheless,the background onformation plays a vital role for those who want to know the full story behind the scenes like why are they so many Innvedas in the word is explained in 00P and of course how was Kyrios’s Drive saved.Among other sources are the instruction manuals,00P,00F,00V,S2 Official Files and others.

    I may not be entirely happy with the setup,but I guess if you take the time to read through,it’s alot more satisfying than what the anime gives.

    If this ending was the true ending of the series then I will be really pissed of,but it seems to be a smart move in my opnion if they wanted to make a movie out of it.

    I am not 100% confident the movie will be good,but I look forward to it anyway.

    At least the battles are way better in S2.

  12. KiteP says:

    You know what I think the real purpose of Gundam 00 was, especially the 2nd season? A money-making scheme to advertise their gunpla models. That’s it pretty much to the second season. I mean, how many different suits did Mr Bushido pilot? What was the whole point of switching the Masurao for the Susanowo?? And my biggest gripe is what they did with 00-raiser. Sure, it looks pretty cool with Trans-am on, but surely they can do better than slap a plane onto the back of a gundam? I reckon even a primary kid could have come up with something like that.

  13. chibura says:

    “At least there was no gay shouting in this one like in seed/seed destiny”

    That’s it. :D The reason why SEED get higher rating is mainly because their bishonen character. They sucks, but girls like it that way. WTF…

    I think Gundam 00 is a success. At least with characters design.

  14. Perrin4869 says:

    I don’t know if it was because it was the first Gundam series I watched, but I enjoyed all 50 episodes of Gundam 00 a lot! I don’t think at all that this series only has something to offer to those who want action though. I think the plot throughout the whole run was solid and well developed, the mystery of Aeolia’s plan was kept well concealed until the last episodes, and then it was not a disappointing revelation. And not having watched other Gundam series before, the ideas of Innovators and Solar Elevators felt very fresh and provided for awesome science fiction.
    True, there were glaring flaws, the most annoying is Saji and Louise, and also Marina in my opinion. And the annoying deus ex machina at episode 49 ruined some of the ending. But still, there was much more here than brainless action, even at the second season
    Also, in my opinion the Innovators were very nice villains. Most of them lacked personalities, but at least they had to be killed in order to be stopped, unlike most of the ends of villains, who end up giving in to the stupid speech of the protagonist.

    All in all, I think the reason this anime made an impact on me was the solid plot much more than the action. It moved slow, but it built up well, keeping fresh most of the time. It lacked also in many anime cliches, and the romance between Saji and Louise could have been tons worse.

  15. Athrun says:

    Gundam seed >> Gundam 00

  16. DTRIOz says:

    I agree with the folks who say SEED is better. I wasn’t the biggest fan of Destiny, though. It was just more… magical, and colorful, and immersing. The soundtrack was more theatrical with all its orchestration. And I _loved_ the melodramatic character focus of SEED–the stuff here just sacrifices too much of the story.

    Like, I’d even have dreams about SEED. The characters especially. That’s something I would never do with this (or most other series in the world). I’ve been hoping for another series like SEED for a long, long time, but this isn’t it. It doesn’t have the amazing absorbing power (HIGHLY ABSORBENT, HOLDS 20 TIMES ITS WEIGHT), nor its endearing flaws (instead it has other, ickier flaws).

    The dub is the only thing I could really stand of SEED, but here it looks like the voice-acting cast is not half bad.

  17. Sakura says:

    There’s still a bit of politics involved in the story, like how the media is heavily controlled by military instead by the government

  18. Anon says:

    To say that the action in this series was just “good” is an understatement. I don’t know, maybe it’s because I was watching this on blue-ray but the action and animation was very well done.

    While I believe there’s some recycling of Gundam Wing in this series, I think the story is at par, if not a little better, in comparison with the rest of the Gundam franchise. Like someone said, I found it had a solid plot and an intriguing story.

    I think 77.5 is a fair mark to give, but if left to me it’d be a least an 80.

  19. Trisha says:

    The reason I liked Gundam 00 so much was because it was set in our world, 300 years in the future. I am one to watch the science channel and the news, and I can say that they did a very good job to bring in eerie parallels into Gundam 00. Things like the military being controlled by the media sounds a lot like whats starting to happen now. I remember watching something once that even talked about building orbital elevators for solar energy with the exact concept that they used in Gundam 00.
    When it comes to the plot, it can be get really corny, but I just expect that from any main stream anime. However, if you are one that pays attention to what is happening politically everyday, I dont care where you stand on the views spectrum, you would come to feel a sense of respect for the people that created this anime. Sure it might not have Athrun Zala or Kira Yamato (both whom are so corny and lame and unrealistic idc how bishonen they are) this anime may not have the crazy multiple weapons like GSEED had but I tend to like that way. The fact that each these Gundams have depend on each others skills and plan out there battles beats the one person army Gundams that literally go into battle with not much thought on how they are going to win the battle.
    The bad thing about Gundam 00 is that it has a lot of elements in it that you are just supposed to assume to know and figure out for yourself, you know connect the dots. Like how poverty stricken these other countries are that are not part of the three major factions. I really wish that they would have put in a scene where it showed like a whole village dies from plague or something, much like how on GSEED or even Destiny showed coordinators get brutally slaughtered. To me it should had shown more brutality. It was a more mature Gundam show, much more than GSEED, yet it didn’t take the opportunity to show its audience the bitter cruel world that REALLY comes from war. Sure the show wasnt exactly sunshine and rainbows, but Setsuna and the others might as well have been taking their gundams to go see the lollipop king when it came to showing grit.
    I know that people complained about how great and grand GSEEDs and omg Destiny’s soundtrack was. However I do not detest 00’s music. (cept that l’arc en ciel song) I think they did a great job matching their story plot line with its unique soundtrack. I just dont see mozart sounding music that both seed and destiny had fitting in well with 00. Music tells a story too, that is why when flipping through youtube you will see fans trading music from other animes fail or not make it anywhere as good.
    Overall I am content in ways with 00 that I wasn’t content with GSEED. However there are some elements I think was more satisfied with GSEED then 00. But that doesn’t make it a bad anime, even though it made me feel a tad empty. It also doesnt make a perfect anime much like Code Geass was. To me they should have added more but didn’t so this anime gets about an 8. (barely)

  20. Ncik666 says:

    I really enjoyed Gundam 00. To be honest I liked GSEED but hated Destiny. 00 just seemed more honest with its portrayal of war. SEED had its “ATHRUUUUUN” “KIIIIIIIRAAAA” moments but nothing really showing the collateral damage or unassuming victims of the war. I was annoyed at Louise and Saji’s whining but I liked how they showed Saji’s movement to a complete selfish pacifist into someone who was willing to fight for his ideals.

    I think in the end this is what all Gundam series are about, fighting for your ideals, and how not all ideals are evil, such as Lt. Sergei’s loyalty to A-Laws even after being confronted with its brutality.

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AidanAK47
@Mario, Sounds good to me. With me covering Little Witch Academia, Saga of Tanya the evil and Rakugo this season is well covered.
SuperMario
so I've decided to blog 3-gatsu, Scum's Wish and ACCA this season. A bit worry about the latter as I still don't have much to talk about that. Let's try it and see what happens; I say
SuperMario
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I have played all the big roguelikes and found they have the same problem. I argee on procedural generation. Even if the map is different every time you are essentailly going through the same rooms and doing the same things.
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Though to be honest, I don't like procedural(or designed room and then game connects them randomly) games much. I much enjoy hand designed dungeons since I rarely play games through more than once anyway so roguelike's appeal of "Every time you play it through its different!" doesn't appeal to me much and hand designed dungeons are much more memorable
Masky
Can't really comment further on that since I don't know which roguelikes you have played, and neither I have played gungeon so I don't know if its badly designed to the point you can't do anything if rng says so. Though I guess there is nothing wrong about liking luck based games, if roguelike in question is truly unbeatable if rng says so, well, its really badly designed one if you ask me.
AidanAK47
Take my last run. Made it up to the fourth floor. Got plenty of guns but none were really useful. Even then ran out of ammo for all of them and the game was cheap about giving out ammo. Plenty of money but shops with nothing worth buying. Over 5 heart containers but no goddamn health. Died on the boss because I rolled out of a bullet into another bullet. Pretty much unavoidable.
AidanAK47
@Masky, that's the theory but in pretty much every roguelike I played its not the case. If the RNG decides you are going to have a bad time then you are going to have a bad time. Skill can only bring you so far. I have played this game for 7 hours and I know I could have finished it in 2. Only thing stopping me is a dice roll.
Masky
Like, the thing with roguelikes is that they can get easier/harder depending on luck, but well done one should be completable even without any upgrades at all if you are skilled enough.
Masky
Thats not the really case with roguelikes though, unless game design is bad and includes insta kill traps and such that are unavoidable if you are unlucky
AidanAK47
I hate roguelikes. Been playing enter the Gungeon and I just lost all patience with it. Getting real tired of my victory being decided by a RNG. It never feels satisfying to finish a roguelike because I know my victory was determined by pure luck.
AidanAK47
So we got to rely on fansubs for it when it's airing.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Nope. I think because netflix only puts up full seasons they are only planning to put it up when it's finished airing. Or when it's dubbed.
SuperMario
But how does the Netflix thing work? So of I have a Netflix account I can watch the show weekly?
SuperMario
@Aidan: that's a dumb way to do things really because unless you watch the show weekly, everyone gonna forget that it even exist. Just look at Re-Life last year
Lenlo
thought*. Words are hard.

Eventually found the actual first ep though and enjoyed it.
Lenlo
Was funny. I tried to find the first Ep for Little Witch, found original short made afew years ago, watched it and though "This is very similar to the original... Whats new".
AidanAK47
Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
Lenlo
Ore Monogatari I enjoyed. It was a nice romance that actually explored what happens after the confession. Also the 2 leads are just precious.
Lenlo
Alright but unmemorable seems like a good summation.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: one good thing about Seiren is if you don't like this romance, the whole thing gonna reset after episode 4 so there's a chance that you might end up like it. Agreed that the comedy wasn't very good. Alright but unmemorable
SuperMario
@Topgavin: I watched like first 3 episodes and stopped because I didn't have much time there, but I enjoyed what I saw. A well-written and endearing show in my book
Topgavin
Has anyone here watched Ore Monogatari before? Because in the 4 years I've watched anime, I've never heard of it (I guess it did come out 2 years ago) and yet it's turning out to be one of my favorite shows. Always great going into a show expecting nothing and getting pleasantly surprised.
AidanAK47
Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
Lenlo
Im really not feeling Seiren. Its "comedy" isnt for me and I just dont find it very enjoyable to watch so far. Im curious if it gets any better but 2 episodes in it just isnt that good.
HelghastKillzone
That ending scene is an entire side-story compressed into that. Don't expect anymore of it from here on out as the it sticks to ruthless military/fantasy pretty well.
LookingForKeys
@Topgavin I think it was good, making it the second episode. That way the first set up the world the story will be in, and showed how much of a monster the "little girl" really is right at the end, and then made ep.2 the explanation. Nothing against Tanya trying to rip "God" a new one.
That after-credits scene, though...
SuperMario
Hmm, as much as I like Seiren's omnibus format, it doesn't turn out really hot this second episode. Demi-chan, on the other hand, still maintains its endearing tone. Might blogging Demi-chan instead
Topgavin
Yeah, that second episode was much better than the first. Dunno why they didn't start with that to be honest, waste of an opportunity for a good hook episode. The voice for the main girl still sounds weird to me though; I get it's supposed to sound weird because it symbolizes 'her' being out of place and her personality and body being a mismatch, but it'll certainly take some getting used to.
AidanAK47
Youjo Senki, now we are talking. Like Helghast said, Did the god scene way better than the LN and manga. Made it less comedic and more intimidating.
Lenlo
Oh man that Rakugo intro. Not sure what to think, but first time seeing it I liked it
Kaiser Eoghan
I sort of like good will hunting because I kind of saw a bit of myself in Damon's character when I watched it ages ago.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its easy to ripoff some obscure thing though and get away with it. The dogtooth director essentially stole an old Mexican film to make that.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, that following some guys from behind like they were on a RPG games, which I think actually fit with the tones of Elephant. I have such mixed feeling with Gus van Sant too. Don't really think he's a great director.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Although Istvan Szabo is probably a little more well known for that Mephisto film that updates the Faust story. Zoltan Fabri's the fifth seal is a very thought provoking war movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I remember seeing a film documentary that featured Gus van sant in one section, they showed clips of tarrs films, Sant ripped of the cinematography and stole the style from some British short film to make Elephant.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Scorsese's Silence was a big comeback. I really really emotionally connect with spiritual crisis stories.
SuperMario
@kaiser: yep, definitely check wreckmeister down. Althought I admit that watching his 2-hour plus films will feel like 5-hour anyways
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I'm more tolerant of darker teenage/coming of age films/stories. Les Demons was a big surprise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Though its kind of frustrating, I do think Tarr probably takes attention away from other hungarian filmakers because no-body knows who the hell the others are.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
SuperMario
Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
Kaiser Eoghan
@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
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Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
Lenlo
Anime hipster is pretty accurate. His general treatment of the current state of anime is annoying, as is his obsession with moe. Maybe its cause I cant stand moe most of the time, but it bugs me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: Essentially my brothers view on digibro.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: I don't usually feel the need to correct errors in your reviews as the errors are generally un-important, but I think you meant to say apprentices rather than appearences in the Rakugo review, just bringing that up as it felt like kind of a throw off.
AidanAK47
Which is kinda like saying Madoka wasn't a magical girl deconstruction because Sailor Moon and Nanoha had dark elements too.
AidanAK47
Went and read the reddit comments on it and seems I was right on the money.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, He's basically a anime hipster. For example, I saw a thumbnail of his which had Saitama on it and below it "Is There Meaning In "Subverting" Shounen Tropes?" and I thought "Okay, he's going to go on about how OPM isn't subversive and then list a bunch of arbitrary examples in an attempt to redefine what is actually subversive"
Lenlo
I have lots of issues with Digibro. Dude has some good points, but other very horrible ones. Some issues he feels strongly about and gets kinda biased on imo.
Anonymous669202
acca looks visually interesting, and I personally really dig this kind of show, but it seems that it's definitely not for everyone
AidanAK47
Time to live up to my word. Four posts incoming.
AidanAK47
Man, Little witch Academia was so good. I disagree with the whole Digibro thing about being able to recognise a great show in it's first episode but watching this makes me think that this really is going to be something special.
AidanAK47
Alright, gonna put in effort today and have 3 or 4 first impressions posts done. That should knock out near half the season.
Kaiser Eoghan
Had a flip through handshakers. Garish is the word I'd use to describe it visually, it takes you out of the show.
Topgavin
ASuperMario From the first minute I can already tell it's by the same people that made K. Those colour filters and the extremely jarring/obvious city CGI is unmistakable.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, literally makes my hands shaking. It's an abosolute mess. Highly recommended to check it out because it's so terrible it's great to watch
Vonter212
Yeah, and it's also a literal woman in refrigerator plot device, since that the thing that pushes the story forward.
Masky
I'd say that having to hide your sister's body in fridge would count as daaaaaaark and edgy, but when the body is wearing only underwear, and for some reason main character put metal things in fridge to keep body standing(I guess to not knock fridge open from inside?) I think it goes to "exploitation" you are talking about
Vonter212
@Masky - Did someone said doing dark things for drama? That's the bread and butter to get despair. Unless it's for the sake of perversion. Then it's just exploitation.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Masky: His other works dead tube and scumbag go further in the unhinged regard.
Masky
*relies on easy "let's do [x dark thing] for drama!" thing
Masky
Geez, Mayonaka no X Giten is fricking disturbing/disgusting ._. I'm pretty sure that writing relies on e, but I can't help but think mangaka is trying to make corpses sexy.
SuperMario
I found Onihei to be quite good, actually one of the most solid new episode I watched this new season. Guys, check them out
Vonter
I just hope it doesn't fall into the same misstep Kabaneri or Inuyasha or Bleach fall by making a villain so over the top that it crossed the line of not having a satisfying downfall.
Anonymous657941
@Vonter I think they just moved on. I lost interest rather quickly and I guess even the fans did that at some point, like with some other long-running series. There is much more new and more direct "fujo" stuff out there, many of them probably switched. Don't know what happens in the manga but maybe the story got worse or contained things some people didn't like.
Vonter
January will be loli dictator month (for me) :p. World Conquest Zvezda Plot, Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil (new), Seraph of the End. For some reason I stumble into three curious series with little power hungry girls. If I can ask, why did Owari Seraph's hype died, I remember back it was mentioned more often. It still has the fujoshi fanart but still, I don't see people bringing it up.
SuperMario
@CATski: well, if you didn't like its first 3 episodes I dont think the rest gonna change your mind. Have you finished Erased then? How did you like it?
SuperMario
But I understand it's difficult to speak in front of camera, get some time to get used to it
SuperMario
@kaiser: I won't commend on poem as I'm terrible at it myself but younneed to work more on presentation Kaiser. Small little things like looking directly at the camera or say "thanks for listening" in the end can connect you to the audience better
Anonymous657071
Ok. I'll give the thing another chance. *clicks torrent* XD. CATski.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Topgavin: You might like centaur no nanami if you like demi-chan.
Kaiser Eoghan
Damn...repeated myself =<
Kaiser Eoghan
There are these things called slam sessions done in bars where people get up and read out stuff in front of a crowd and read stuff out. Actually watching rakugo made me think about practicing for that kind of thing.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: the video I did was of me reading out a short piece of writing I did, a poem. lol I uploaded it to the wrong youtube account too I just realized =P
[link src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBZ2hBDBYs&t=11s
I"] was recording this from my mothers laptops inbuilt cam while reading off my desktop.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I think it's a good idea for you to try out reviewing movies/stuffs in youtube channel. I'll be very interesting to listen to them
SuperMario
@Topgavin: Agree. Demi-chan was so charming. Definately one of my favorite so far this new season
Topgavin
Demi-chan's first episode was good. Like, really really good. That blonde-haired girl was hilarious, the teacher-student relationship between the MC and the girls is really interesting and the social/practical problems the demi's face make it look like my favorite show so far.
CATski
Ah... ok. Is it really that good or it's just one of those "artsy" animes that tend to get overrated by their ardent fans? I didnt find the rakugo bit interesting.... probably the weakest aspect of the show for me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Why did I read that chapter. Why did I do that to myself.
Kaiser Eoghan
Admittedly yes the premise is not for everyone, but if you stick with it, the flashback arc had some good character work in there.
CATski
Rakugo has a season 2? I watched ep 1 - 3 of season 1 then promptly deleted it. The loud "yankee" dude was annoying. And the anime was boring.
Kaiser Eoghan
Oh man, I've been thinking lately of trying to start some kind of youtube channel. I did a few trial run videos. Its much much harder than it looks, didn't realize how nervy being in front of a video camera was.
Kaiser Eoghan
*a declining art and rakygo halls are closing down
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