Posted by psgels on 30 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Mobile Suit Gundam 00



Gundam 00 was the first long Gundam series that was split into two halves of about 25 episodes, rather than continuing for a full run of 50. In te end, it turned out into a decent series: it does the job it’s supposed to do, but it wasn’t anything really outstanding. The second season unfortunately was a bit weaker than the first.

While the first series had some interesting politics in the beginning, the second season drops the politics aspect completely and instead focuses much more on delivering solid action and the story becomes much more character-focused. Central to the story are various different conflicts between opposing sides, and these really range from utterly abysmal (Saji and Louise whine way too much throughout the series) to engaging and pretty good (Allelujahh and Marie). Especially Setsuna deserves credit, as he grows into a solid and capable male lead.

This approach has its good and bad sides. As I said: whenever the good characters take up the spotlight, the series becomes pretty enjoyable, but in the end the second season is just too formulaic. There are too many random battles that don’t stand apart from each other; they hardly ever resolve something and usually end up with both parties simply retreating. Most of the major villains lack development (especially the innovators, who apart from Regetta have as much personality as a paper bag), and all in all, this second season could have also been done in 13 episodes without losing much of the content or impact.

So in the end, this really is a series for those who want lots of solid action. If you’re not into that, then there really isn’t a lot left to watch in this series. The animation pretty good overall, but for me it was hardly ever really aestetically pleasing; the soundtrack is excellent, though. It’s not a bad series by far, and it has some pretty enjoyable parts (my personal favourite being the fall of the elevator), but there are lots of better mecha-series out there.

Storytelling: 8/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 8/10
Setting: 7/10

20 Responses

  1. DmonHiro says:

    This was SO anti-climactic. This is one of the worst and lamest endings to a Gundam show I’ve seen. The final battle was a joke, the Aeolia plan was a bigger joke, and Ribbons himself was THE joke. I had to wash this foul taste with the final episodes of Gundam SEED. THAT was a great final battle. Not 10 idiots fighting, with 2 idiots fighting in the end, but two worlds, nuclear powered attacks, spamming beams for 20 minutes, death, revenge, and an enemy with real depth and motivation. Sunrise, you failed me with Destiny, you fail me with this.

  2. TJ says:

    the final battle would have been okay IF they didn’t bring out the 0 and Exia again. Just end it with the two strongest Gundams in the series and be done with it.

    I agree the soundtrack/OP/ED are excellent. Ash Like Snow/Friends remains the best anime OP and ED combo I’ve ever heard.

  3. Lucas says:

    The last episode due to the editing allows for time to go by to explain the scenes we see. It is not a Disney ending. Aeolia’s plan lead to the concentration of power and once the corrupted head was removed the new people in charge over time started mending things.
    The change shown is implied to have taken time and not happen overtime. Mr Bushido was there as an homage to the original Gundam and also to show man’s limits and the innovator’s power. In the original Gundam you had Naturals and Newtypes. Aolia’s plan will be further covered in the movie next year. Setsuna as an Innovator and Bushido as a human will face again. It will cover the whole dilemma of wether innovators are better or not. Wait for the movie in 2010 to complete the story.

  4. I swear to god some of you people are entirely unpleasable when it comes to mecha anime. The impression I’m getting is that you are all saying “I don’t know what kind of ending I would have wanted, but it wasn’t this”, as it probably would have been for any ending they came up with or frankly anything they tried to do with the show period. I mean no wonder some people have a wishy washy impression of the show when they are like that the whole way through.

    Whatever…..at least I’m satisfied……

  5. pgal says:

    “So in the end, this really is a series for those who want lots of solid action. If you’re not into that, then there really isn’t a lot left to watch in this series.”

    I agree. Being someone who doesn’t care about action and battles, there was not anything to look forward to.

  6. Zetatrain says:

    I agree that the first season was a bit better than the second, although I still throughly enjoyed both seasons. The problem with season 2 is that it bites off more than it can chew. In the first season the characters did not receive much attention, but in season 2 focus shifts dramatically to the characters. The problem is that there were just way too many characters to focus on and not enough time to develop them all properly, yet sunrise still tries to give everyone their fair share of time, but in the end some characters do not receive adequate development or time (Graham Acre).

    At the same time the plot is also neglected, resulting in a slightly disappointing plot, but I’ll wait until the movie to pass final judgment on the story. Maybe this could have been avoided if a little more focused was directed towards the characters in Season 2. Overall season 2 was decent at the very least and was enjoyable to watch.

  7. midenz says:

    Both seasons were enjoyable but i too think the 1st had more impact, idk but i think they tried to hard to go for a boom with the 2nd season

  8. Shippoyasha says:

    00 is a strange beast, because it has some solid foundations and the whole Celestial Being intervention idea is pretty intriguing and apparently it will still go on. The second half of the second season had too much melodrama for melodrama’s sakes and yeah, the actions sorta didn’t connect to one another at times.

    That said, it helps that is had some of the most epic Gundam fights in Gundam history while they were at it. IMO, out of like top 10 best Gundam fights, this show might have had like 7 out of my top 10. At least.

  9. GGear0323 says:

    i will say this, i also liked the first season as a whole better than the second, not by much, but the first half or maybe first ten episodes of season 2 were great. i do agree that there was a few too many characters to be able to flesh out everyone, and the problem with stuff like this is that when you introduce us to someone and make it seem they are important in some aspect, you expect them to get more in depth with that character at some point, but they couldnt do that with everyone. it probably would have been better if they just trimmed the cast in the second season by offing some people for reals at the end of the first.

  10. Giovanni P. says:

    Im sick of people bad-mouthing the ending.

    You want a horrible ending? Go watch BOTH Seed Series. They sucked so bad it made SD Gundam look way more appealing. Seriously, WTH was the ending supposed to be like? The final battle was epic. IDC what anyone says, you can’t tell me that Neil didn’t own that innovator with two pinkys and that Ribbons classic RX-78 did not look badass with just a beam sword.

    The story is for this generation of Gundam fans, not for those who saw Gundam Wing on Toonami or are into mecha genre as a whole. Although I Defenatly agree there are better series of MSG, this is on my top five of all time.

    The character buildup was great. Most characters that seemed insufficiant
    got their shine. 9/10

    Plot was ok. A little on the far out there scale. 8/10

    Mecha design, psh no comment. 9.5/10

    Overall 9.2/10

    At least there was no gay shouting in this one like in seed/seed destiny

  11. SonicSP says:

    Well,it’s hard to make a movie when you have an ending that solves everything and most of the goals of the plans has already been explained if you bother to look at certain scenes scattered through the series even if it hasnt been solved yet.

    Still the thing is,00 is a multimedia project,it’s not an anime that has spinoffs,the anime is only one piece;the main piece but still one piece nonetheless,the background onformation plays a vital role for those who want to know the full story behind the scenes like why are they so many Innvedas in the word is explained in 00P and of course how was Kyrios’s Drive saved.Among other sources are the instruction manuals,00P,00F,00V,S2 Official Files and others.

    I may not be entirely happy with the setup,but I guess if you take the time to read through,it’s alot more satisfying than what the anime gives.

    If this ending was the true ending of the series then I will be really pissed of,but it seems to be a smart move in my opnion if they wanted to make a movie out of it.

    I am not 100% confident the movie will be good,but I look forward to it anyway.

    At least the battles are way better in S2.

  12. KiteP says:

    You know what I think the real purpose of Gundam 00 was, especially the 2nd season? A money-making scheme to advertise their gunpla models. That’s it pretty much to the second season. I mean, how many different suits did Mr Bushido pilot? What was the whole point of switching the Masurao for the Susanowo?? And my biggest gripe is what they did with 00-raiser. Sure, it looks pretty cool with Trans-am on, but surely they can do better than slap a plane onto the back of a gundam? I reckon even a primary kid could have come up with something like that.

  13. chibura says:

    “At least there was no gay shouting in this one like in seed/seed destiny”

    That’s it. :D The reason why SEED get higher rating is mainly because their bishonen character. They sucks, but girls like it that way. WTF…

    I think Gundam 00 is a success. At least with characters design.

  14. Perrin4869 says:

    I don’t know if it was because it was the first Gundam series I watched, but I enjoyed all 50 episodes of Gundam 00 a lot! I don’t think at all that this series only has something to offer to those who want action though. I think the plot throughout the whole run was solid and well developed, the mystery of Aeolia’s plan was kept well concealed until the last episodes, and then it was not a disappointing revelation. And not having watched other Gundam series before, the ideas of Innovators and Solar Elevators felt very fresh and provided for awesome science fiction.
    True, there were glaring flaws, the most annoying is Saji and Louise, and also Marina in my opinion. And the annoying deus ex machina at episode 49 ruined some of the ending. But still, there was much more here than brainless action, even at the second season
    Also, in my opinion the Innovators were very nice villains. Most of them lacked personalities, but at least they had to be killed in order to be stopped, unlike most of the ends of villains, who end up giving in to the stupid speech of the protagonist.

    All in all, I think the reason this anime made an impact on me was the solid plot much more than the action. It moved slow, but it built up well, keeping fresh most of the time. It lacked also in many anime cliches, and the romance between Saji and Louise could have been tons worse.

  15. Athrun says:

    Gundam seed >> Gundam 00

  16. DTRIOz says:

    I agree with the folks who say SEED is better. I wasn’t the biggest fan of Destiny, though. It was just more… magical, and colorful, and immersing. The soundtrack was more theatrical with all its orchestration. And I _loved_ the melodramatic character focus of SEED–the stuff here just sacrifices too much of the story.

    Like, I’d even have dreams about SEED. The characters especially. That’s something I would never do with this (or most other series in the world). I’ve been hoping for another series like SEED for a long, long time, but this isn’t it. It doesn’t have the amazing absorbing power (HIGHLY ABSORBENT, HOLDS 20 TIMES ITS WEIGHT), nor its endearing flaws (instead it has other, ickier flaws).

    The dub is the only thing I could really stand of SEED, but here it looks like the voice-acting cast is not half bad.

  17. Sakura says:

    There’s still a bit of politics involved in the story, like how the media is heavily controlled by military instead by the government

  18. Anon says:

    To say that the action in this series was just “good” is an understatement. I don’t know, maybe it’s because I was watching this on blue-ray but the action and animation was very well done.

    While I believe there’s some recycling of Gundam Wing in this series, I think the story is at par, if not a little better, in comparison with the rest of the Gundam franchise. Like someone said, I found it had a solid plot and an intriguing story.

    I think 77.5 is a fair mark to give, but if left to me it’d be a least an 80.

  19. Trisha says:

    The reason I liked Gundam 00 so much was because it was set in our world, 300 years in the future. I am one to watch the science channel and the news, and I can say that they did a very good job to bring in eerie parallels into Gundam 00. Things like the military being controlled by the media sounds a lot like whats starting to happen now. I remember watching something once that even talked about building orbital elevators for solar energy with the exact concept that they used in Gundam 00.
    When it comes to the plot, it can be get really corny, but I just expect that from any main stream anime. However, if you are one that pays attention to what is happening politically everyday, I dont care where you stand on the views spectrum, you would come to feel a sense of respect for the people that created this anime. Sure it might not have Athrun Zala or Kira Yamato (both whom are so corny and lame and unrealistic idc how bishonen they are) this anime may not have the crazy multiple weapons like GSEED had but I tend to like that way. The fact that each these Gundams have depend on each others skills and plan out there battles beats the one person army Gundams that literally go into battle with not much thought on how they are going to win the battle.
    The bad thing about Gundam 00 is that it has a lot of elements in it that you are just supposed to assume to know and figure out for yourself, you know connect the dots. Like how poverty stricken these other countries are that are not part of the three major factions. I really wish that they would have put in a scene where it showed like a whole village dies from plague or something, much like how on GSEED or even Destiny showed coordinators get brutally slaughtered. To me it should had shown more brutality. It was a more mature Gundam show, much more than GSEED, yet it didn’t take the opportunity to show its audience the bitter cruel world that REALLY comes from war. Sure the show wasnt exactly sunshine and rainbows, but Setsuna and the others might as well have been taking their gundams to go see the lollipop king when it came to showing grit.
    I know that people complained about how great and grand GSEEDs and omg Destiny’s soundtrack was. However I do not detest 00’s music. (cept that l’arc en ciel song) I think they did a great job matching their story plot line with its unique soundtrack. I just dont see mozart sounding music that both seed and destiny had fitting in well with 00. Music tells a story too, that is why when flipping through youtube you will see fans trading music from other animes fail or not make it anywhere as good.
    Overall I am content in ways with 00 that I wasn’t content with GSEED. However there are some elements I think was more satisfied with GSEED then 00. But that doesn’t make it a bad anime, even though it made me feel a tad empty. It also doesnt make a perfect anime much like Code Geass was. To me they should have added more but didn’t so this anime gets about an 8. (barely)

  20. Ncik666 says:

    I really enjoyed Gundam 00. To be honest I liked GSEED but hated Destiny. 00 just seemed more honest with its portrayal of war. SEED had its “ATHRUUUUUN” “KIIIIIIIRAAAA” moments but nothing really showing the collateral damage or unassuming victims of the war. I was annoyed at Louise and Saji’s whining but I liked how they showed Saji’s movement to a complete selfish pacifist into someone who was willing to fight for his ideals.

    I think in the end this is what all Gundam series are about, fighting for your ideals, and how not all ideals are evil, such as Lt. Sergei’s loyalty to A-Laws even after being confronted with its brutality.

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Kaiser-Eoghan
I have to say, this is probably a bit hypocritical, but while I enjoy dubs of anime I really really can't stand dubs of foreign films.
Lenlo
Simo Hayha would make a pretty crazy Archer.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine a fate strange fake adaptation will materialize eventually.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But everyone seems to want that Finnish sniper as a Fate servant .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Still no Mao, still mad.
Kaiser-Eoghan
....I have lost track of the historical characters in the fate lineup.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, to expand on that point the following historical figures are now female: Nero Claudius, Leonardo da Vinci, Frankenstein's Monster, Xuanzang, Jing Ke, Quetzalcoatl, Minamoto no Yoshitsune, Miyamoto Musashi, Okita Souji and many more to come.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I find it's an enjoyable watch though flawed. If you can get past some odd fanservice around the first ten episodes then I say it's worth watching.
Anonymous2133468
So i was thinking if i start watching, darling in the franxx, is worth it? or is just another 6/10 anime?
Lenlo
God damnit. Why Nasu. Just why.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, that ain't even Lewd.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In all seriousness its ridiculous, the Japanese will make a cute/moe girl out of anything.
AidanAK47
....Should I also mention that Francis Drake is a big boobed pirate queen?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Posting lewd images on a respectable chatbox.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, But none of these characters are in the anime adaptions. Well besides Jack and Saber.
Lenlo
Aidan, all this conversation did was prove that my decision to only ever watch the Ufotable adaptions was the correct decision.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, you can blame Extella for the Attlia the Hun thing. I wasn't too fond of it myself. Also should mention Attila is female as well.
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AidanAK47
Also Masky I will be the first to admit to the ridiculous aspects of the Fate Franchise but do take note that you are commenting on something you know literally nothing about. Which is the very definition of ignorance and is quite annoying. Fate/Zero nails the themes it's going for. So go watch Fate/Zero, come back and apologize.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Give it time. Genghis is getting in there eventually with Grand Order. We just had Anastasia and Salieri introduced after all. And it's not as if this story introduces Servants willy nilly, they need actual story purpose. Genghis Khan wouldn't have fit the Narrative that Fate/Zero was going for.
Lenlo
Wait Attila is an Alien and Edison is a Lion? God damnit Fate. Why are you doing this to me. I was already annoyed at your treatment of Musashi
Masky
(aliens existing in the show is good example of that missing on themes part xP)
Masky
*most successful conqueror
Masky
Honestly was just amused most conqueror of all time not being featured in the show :D But wait, whats this about aliens?
AidanAK47
Anyway the important thing to take into account is that in the Fate universe, King Arthur is a woman, Attila the Hun is an Alien, Thomas Edison is a lion and Jack the Ripper is a little girl in a dominatrix outfit. Any questions?
AidanAK47
And while you don't need to watch something to be given divine right to comment on ideas or themes, it does leave you ignorant of how that show handles those ideas and themes.
AidanAK47
As for the Historical Alexander, he wasn't given the title of King of Couquerors. Fate/Zeros interpretation of him was. As generally accurate Fates interpretation of Servents history can be, they can make changes to suit the narrative.
AidanAK47
In that Regard Alexander was doing the conquest thing before Ghengus did. Ghengus likely has some other title. Hell he may only have the title because public consciousness was is more familiar with Alexander than Ghengus.
AidanAK47
Yeah, looking it up seems the King Title lost quite a lot of meaning in the Nasuverse. Though the King Title is rather flimsy. I mean Arthur is the King of Knights cause of the Knights of the round table. Gil is king of heroes because his tale was the first Heroic myth.
Lenlo
I think Alexander was just the first one they thought of, and they couldnt retroactively give it to someone else.

That said, Broskander deserves it <3
Masky
(And no, you don't need to watch something to be given divine right to comment on ideas or themes of it.)
Masky
(just to note in case I need to note, I do tend to do at least cursory research when I make comments on stuff I don't watch)
Masky
That first part is semantics as Fate gives title "King" to historical figures who weren't kings already :D Also, you can make that argument about historical Alexander the Great? Since that seriously sounds like kind of weak reason.
AidanAK47
Also sees Rider as deserving of title of "King of Conquerors" because that which he strives to conquer most is not lands or material wealth, but the hearts of people, the toughest conquest that can be undertaken by anyone.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Ghengis Khan wasn't a king. He was a Khan.
Lenlo
Ghengis is always a Rider in my mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But in all seriousness, Ghengis would be an appropriate beserker servant.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: I know, it feels so wrong I'm still mad I can't summon Karl Marx or Stalin.
Masky
So wait, Fate series is about historical figures with super powers, but "King of Conquerors" title isn't given to Ghengis Khan? :D Seriously? Thats just so wrong
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't feel any point in finishing it, it feels like something that I'd just randomly drop , not because its a bad show, but because I got my fill of it.
AidanAK47
I am actually going to drop blogging it.
AidanAK47
@Sash, indeed. I have been watching it but not blogging it for the last few episodes because it just hasn't givne me anything to say. I don't think it's a bad show but I have pointed out the flaws and strengths of it already so there is truly nothing more to say on it.
Sash
I think wotakoi is starting to feel repetitive..
Kaiser-Eoghan
You are now aware Shana and Batman Ninja Harelequinn are both voiced by Rie kugimiya.
Lenlo
I did. It was... It was a thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Did you end up watching Batman ninja by the way?
Lenlo
Music is great, yeah. When the music is on point, everything goes up. Everytime the sync the fight/punches to the music I just get hyped. Like the rotating shot with Aragaki or the first fight in episode 1.
Lenlo
Ill do my best to be clearer in the future on that front. Yeah, I dont mind twists like this. Makes the inevitable Mikio fight, narratively, even better.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel the music does alot of the lifting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh, so that was it.
Lenlo
Sorry if I never made that clear.
Lenlo
I would rather have fewer, amazing, fights than a lot of low-quality fights. This is a one cour show, the more meaning/impact they can give each fight the better.

Like Aragaki, narratively, was great. Loved it. Its just in animation/choreography that it falls flat.
Lenlo
Im disappointed with the animation of the fights. Narratively, I think they are quite good.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*disappointed with the fights in past episodes
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Pretty much what I said I thought of the episode. Although I was surprised how took the episodes ending, I expected you to see it as a slap in the face after being disappointed with the fights.
Lenlo
Also, @Kaiser, I thought Megalo Box did something unique this episode. I wasn't expecting Joe to *not* fight. And the Mikio/Yukiko proxy war is an interesting character motivation. Im betting Yukiko will get Joe a full citizenship, effectively getting her on his side.
Lenlo
I wish I was physically capable of watching Megalo Box without thinking of Hajime no Ippo. I really do. But everytime I watch it, it makes me want to watch Ippo again to.
Anonymous2120908
I watched some more of the Chimera family chinese anime. (Wasn't aware it was monthly released). And geez, I like the concept, the background art is very pretty and contrasts with settings that have become tired in other anime. Yet sadly the animation and script are WEAK. I haven't grasped the quality of what's expected of these types of production but I want to believe, they're trying.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Not much in the way of action in megalobox this week, but I did like the focus on Yukkiko getting a small character moment and then the big moment at episodes end .
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@Anon, That's some lazy ass trolling buddy. Should have stopped before the hashtags.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm even sort of looking forward to supposedly less respectable stuff like Goblin slayer and happy sugar life.
Vonter
Also E3 is almost here. And I can't wait. I think Nintendo will have a good show considering they're revealing the new Smash with a tournament. There's rumors of the new game by Retro Studios (Metroid Prime and Donkey Kong) and maybe they'll reveal something about how Pokemon will be on the Switch.
Vonter
Also there's always the chance of something new being discovered. Not everything needs expectations behind. Sometimes great things come out of nowhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So yes, there are some at least decent shows coming out.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Muh Baki, Muh Bananna fish, muh made in abyss season 2, muh Vinland.
Anonymous2119906
The rest of this year looks like shit for anime and 2019 doesn't look great either #fuckmoe #makeanimegreatagain
Anonymous2119214
@Kaiser yeah it happened in half the amount of eps this time around for steins gate 0; which i expected considering there's a lot of ground to cover
Anonymous2119106
@Supermario Something like Fate or the LOTR films are a different case. I get where you're coming from about your preference, but I'm arguing that if a large story is going to be split into 3 films, it helps that the 3 films feel cleanly cut. Infinity war, even though we know there's a second part to the story, feels like it has that cohesive narrative structure with a beginning, middle, and end
Anonymous2119106
@Super Mario yea but the marvel movies are a different situation so i don't think the comparison is as appropriate. Marvel movies are "episodic" in nature rather than a continuous narrative. The films are largely isolated stories that are happening in a similar universe that only happen to "congeal" narratively because of a few overarching details shared between films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I remember when the original series suddenly shifted and got going and it was a really depressing episode.
Lenlo
Oh baby. The storm has finally come in Steins;Gate. Let the true suffering commence
SuperMario
@anon2118276: that's why I don't like LoTR trilogy. It's still a whole body chopped up in 3 parts, despite how clean the cut is. Whereas for me it works better if it was like a branch in a tree. The Marvel movies (despite my disinterest on those) are a good example of this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I did feel some of this weeks steins gate felt fillery, I do like see these characters interact and given the episodes conclusion, this episode acted as a calm before the storm.
Lenlo
Ill agree with you on King Kong. As for the Ralph Bakshi LotR, I have. I am still to this day impressed by the overlay of 2D art onto real/overexposed footage. It makes for shockingly fluid animation in places and has its own distinct style
Anonymous2118208
@Lenlo - Have you watched the old Ralph Bakshi adaptation of the first two books? It's uneven, but it's interesting comparing and contrasting certain decisions. As good as Peter Jackson is, I feel he makes very longwinded films, I like his version of King Kong a lot, but it is too long.
Anonymous2118276
@supermario i disagree; the point is that even though the LOTH films have cliffhanger endings, they still feel like fils. they have a defined first second and third act with well paced tension and release throughout them. They follow a storytelling macrostructure necessary for films to feel like cohesive narratives even if they are to end on a cliffhanger
Lenlo
I quite liked the individual LOTR movie just fyi
Vonter
Marvel surprisingly has kept their movies simple enough, that while you might miss details nowadays, you can tell what's happening.
Vonter
Another bad case is like with Assassin's Creed, which like Lost, just tried to tease a lot of things, then it grew tired of trying to piece them together and let the last games work more standalone, with little hints of a larger lore.
Vonter
Metroid does both, it has a standalone story and a hint to what a sequel might bring. Though that hint rarely matters by the time the new game is released.
Vonter
@SuperMario - Some videogames trilogies also do that. Gears of War and God of War had good standalone beginnings but by the second game they put cliffhanging endings. Kingdom Hearts does that and I expect 3 to also do it. Megaman Legends and Half Life had incomplete stories, which might be the worse case in regards to trying to make a continuous story.
SuperMario
It ruins the appetite
SuperMario
I actually think Lord of the Rings' trilogy is a bad example to follow. These films are meant to be viewed as a whole, so each film doesn't hold much as an individual story. I just can't digest films that have "to be continued" sign at the end. Imagine having a first course meal and then have to wait for few days for second course
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the current topic, I would be well for the production of a long running, ambitious ova series.
Anonymous2116425
then again, i don't take too much issue with these films feeling like movie-sized eps...the wait just sucks is all
Anonymous2116425
clearly the films need each other to tell the whole story, yet they can be taken for what they are in isolation as well
Anonymous2116425
I don't mind the trilogy trend at all; like Aidan said, when everything is said and done, all the films will be available to watch. I just think a stronger attempt should be made to make them feel like complete films. Something like the lord of the rings trilogy is a great example of how to do this
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am in full confidence that neither I nor Miura will survive to the end of berserk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course maybe they won't have a future , think about it that way, then they'd never see it, life has that weird way of being unpredictable like that =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
You can always rewatch them just before watching the one after.
AidanAK47
Of course not. But that's the thing. The wait is only a temporary problem. Anyone in the future will have all movies ready to view.
SuperMario
So it's best to wait for another 2 years to watch Heaven's Feel? Hell NOT
AidanAK47
When all the movies come out though you can basically barrel through it like a TV series.
SuperMario
Dangit, it's me Mario
Anonymous2115918
I still don't know if I like this trilogy trend. We've had a fair bun h of those in recent years (Berserk Golden Age, Madoka, even Kizumonogatari). I guess doing it that way, they'd make much more profits, and we have higher production values, but the wait is way too long and I don't think it works as movie-format
Kaiser-Eoghan
One of the very rare times where self-awareness works.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can be nice and say of course Ryan Reynolds+ violence, comic was funnier.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: But I'm sure if you think it over, the first deadpool was trapped in origin story mode, as an advantage, the sequel, is probably free of that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Deadpool 2 had John Wicks director, which at the least means something in terms of action direction.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: There was a whole run of deadpool issues called Cable and deadpool, which I suppose that pairing together gets the best out of the character.
AidanAK47
Seen Deadpool 2 tonight and I have difficultly deciding if it's better or worse than Deadpool 1. Still it's quite fun and I enjoyed it.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I feel somewhat similar in regards to Franxx. When this series finishes I won't be singing high praises for it. Yet I do feel that it's worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Now I get ya. Yeah I understand that. I might even feel the same if I didn't already know the story from the VN.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, The second film seems to be in cinema this year but we won't get it until it hits blu-ray.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Travlos: As I expected, I am disappointed that they have held back . And you might just be right about Castrollop/Caligula/Nero, when I originally attempted to watch the show years ago, that was the episode I stopped on.
KTravlos
Yang really is stealing the show this time. But I wanted the "Alcohol is mankind's oldest friend" rant. I need it.
KTravlos
my expectation is that they will take this to the Battle of Armistar, and then the films will cover the dual civil wars etc.
KTravlos
...CASTROP REBELLION! Why the hell sacrifice an episode to the most useless and bad part of the original! I hated that episode. Well let us see if they can give it a better twist this time around.
KTravlos
The Iserlohn arc at LGOGH:NT was ok. I liked how they presented the preparations. I like the new Murai face. The music was quite good. But they did tone the violence. I expected Walter to stab the imperial officer in the neck. They have toned down the violence a lot. And I missed Seeckts "Long live the Empire" death. That said it was not bad, and I think in general it was good adaption. But....
Anonymous2115268
for example, I think Darling in the franxx is pretty average, but that's not because i think it doesn't have cool shit in it or things that make it appealing; I just find that what the show tries to achieve is not that stupendous or worth lauding with praise. As a result, the flaws stick out that much more to me
Anonymous2115268
@Lenlo and that's pretty much how i felt. Everything is subject to criticism; hell i criticize my most favorite things in the world because i know they're not perfect. I evaluate art and media on whether what it achieves overshadows the flaws and to what degree. Which i think is the best way to approach criticism
Lenlo
I want to repeat though, Heavens Feel wasn't bad. I know some people take any criticism to mean I hated it, but I actually quite enjoyed it. I just think ill appreciate/enjoy it more once the other 2 movies are also out.
Lenlo
@Anon, you nailed it. I couldnt describe it, but what you said /feels/ right.

And Aidan, I loved Lindsay Ellis's videos on the whole Hobbit debacle. A shame, cause the original Lord of the Rings is a landmark in film for me.
Amagi
@Aidan: Do we know if the next HF movie will be finished this year?
Amagi
I love how and how often they say "Fujimi no Sugimoto" in Golden Kamuy. It's pretty hype for some reason, especially when it's said by his enemies.
Anonymous2114206
yea. heaven's feel is nothing like the situation with peter jackson's hobbit; this story needs this many movies and that large runtime. The thing with these heavens feel films that is probably bothering lenlo is that they feel like very long episodes and that particularly the first film felt like a giant prologue rather than a film with a beginning, middle, and end
AidanAK47
And just to make it clear, Heavens Feel needs at least three movies to cover the entire story. It's too big for one movie.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I ain't unhappy about it though. Sucks that I need to wait so long for each movie but there is higher production values as a result. Though in regards to the Hobbit I recommend watching Lindseys Eillis videos on it. As it not only talks about how it screwed the Hobbit but also how the movies screwed New Zealand.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I could never immerse myself in Tolkienistic world building.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Man, the hobbit, lord of the rings and that shit king kong film, he sold out so much , this was the man who gave me Heavenly creatures , Braindead and Feebles.
Lenlo
It is very beautiful indeed. And Aidan, that Hobbit metaphor made me weep for you. I hated what happened to the Hobbit
Anonymous2112805
other than that; HF is a very beautiful looking film; ufotable has improved with their digital compositions...holy crap
Anonymous2112805
heaven's feel seems to be embracing its more horrific elements. Aside from that, watching this film made me realize how much i prefer rin over the rest of the girls; kinda wish we got to spend a bit more time understanding Sakura's psyche in the film
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: This was part of some film fest thing, ended up missing big fish Begonia though, that Chinese animated thing =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: they'd invited him to introduce the flick.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Had this really unexpected run in, in my nearest arthouse cinema, seeing some film about the Soviet space program , I bump into this eastern European guy, assume he's an audience member, awkwardly say something in Russian to him, turns out he's the Russian federation ambassador to Ireland.
AidanAK47
It's sort of the hobbit situation where they chopped one book into three. Expect here we aren't getting extra fluff to pad things out. Well there are extra scenes but they are actually relevant.
Point is that in it's orignal form there are no stopping points here were you need to wait a year to continue. It was a straight story from start to finish.
AidanAK47
Well Fate is essentially the tutorial section that introduces most of the concepts and whatnot. But even then some of the things here are explained later in Heaven's Feel. Cause yeah, not only is the Fate/Stay Night VN not supposed to be split up into three seperate things, the routes aren't supposed to be split into movies either.
Lenlo
Im only familiar with the UBW route, cause Ufotable
Lenlo
I see.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, In a way there is. Heaven's Feel was originally meant to be experience after the Fate and UBW routes of the VN. That the thing Fate/Stay Night has struggled with. It's not meant to be split up into three like this. It's originally supposed to be three parts of a whole. Each route complementing another.
Nayrael
And so am I
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Its like....sometimes I actually want to be able to like something I end up not liking, knowing I am the problem and not the show.
Anonymous2110797
Spoiler alaert: anime is trash
Lenlo
I can understand that. I cant stand Clannad, so everytime I ask for a decent romance and it gets recommended I die alittle inside.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While thats very true that not everyone agreeing does make things more interesting, at the same time theres some sense of feeling left out when not understanding the appeal of something extremely well loved.
Lenlo
Also @Maskey +1. If everyone agreed with each other, it would be boring. I love hearing what other people think on stuff.
Lenlo
Also, @Kaiser, give Ippo a try. It is one of the longest running and best sports anime/manga ever made. I sincerely believe this. That said, Megalo Box isnt bad. I still enjoy it. Ive just seen boxing done better.
Lenlo
It wasnt a bad movie. It just felt like it had a lot going on. Like Gil had a 30 sec clip, I don't really understand what the ribbon monster is but I suspect its the grail, and the new Assassin pulling an Alien, while cool, came out of left field. Like, once I just accepted it and moved on it was a fun movie. It just felt like there was a base of knowledge I needed but didnt have.
Masky
Eh, its okay to not like something that someone else likes. I disagree rather often with blog writers' opinions here but I still enjoy reading their opinions
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: There was a another idolmaster show and it had mecha in it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Based on that I think I'm getting more out of it because I've only seen a few ippo episodes so I don't have much to go on to compare.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think thats the reason here Lenlo, comparatively to you, I have seen much less of ippo so, contrasting megalo box with it isn't something I can really do.
AidanAK47
But seriously, you can ask me on discord about anything you didn't quite get, provided it's not explained later.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, you are just a big dumb dumb that cannot understand art.
SuperMario
... more films coming soon
SuperMario
@Lenlo: maybe wanting more is a right feeling since there will be 2
Lenlo
So just finished Heavens Feel and I was... not as impressed as Aidan. As someone who is not a big TypeMoon fan, I had a lot of trouble keeping up with what was happening. It was pretty don't get me wrong. Thats Ufotable for you. But as a cohesive story it left me wanting
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