Posted by psgels on 30 March 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Mobile Suit Gundam 00



Gundam 00 was the first long Gundam series that was split into two halves of about 25 episodes, rather than continuing for a full run of 50. In te end, it turned out into a decent series: it does the job it’s supposed to do, but it wasn’t anything really outstanding. The second season unfortunately was a bit weaker than the first.

While the first series had some interesting politics in the beginning, the second season drops the politics aspect completely and instead focuses much more on delivering solid action and the story becomes much more character-focused. Central to the story are various different conflicts between opposing sides, and these really range from utterly abysmal (Saji and Louise whine way too much throughout the series) to engaging and pretty good (Allelujahh and Marie). Especially Setsuna deserves credit, as he grows into a solid and capable male lead.

This approach has its good and bad sides. As I said: whenever the good characters take up the spotlight, the series becomes pretty enjoyable, but in the end the second season is just too formulaic. There are too many random battles that don’t stand apart from each other; they hardly ever resolve something and usually end up with both parties simply retreating. Most of the major villains lack development (especially the innovators, who apart from Regetta have as much personality as a paper bag), and all in all, this second season could have also been done in 13 episodes without losing much of the content or impact.

So in the end, this really is a series for those who want lots of solid action. If you’re not into that, then there really isn’t a lot left to watch in this series. The animation pretty good overall, but for me it was hardly ever really aestetically pleasing; the soundtrack is excellent, though. It’s not a bad series by far, and it has some pretty enjoyable parts (my personal favourite being the fall of the elevator), but there are lots of better mecha-series out there.

Storytelling: 8/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 8/10
Setting: 7/10

20 Responses

  1. DmonHiro says:

    This was SO anti-climactic. This is one of the worst and lamest endings to a Gundam show I’ve seen. The final battle was a joke, the Aeolia plan was a bigger joke, and Ribbons himself was THE joke. I had to wash this foul taste with the final episodes of Gundam SEED. THAT was a great final battle. Not 10 idiots fighting, with 2 idiots fighting in the end, but two worlds, nuclear powered attacks, spamming beams for 20 minutes, death, revenge, and an enemy with real depth and motivation. Sunrise, you failed me with Destiny, you fail me with this.

  2. TJ says:

    the final battle would have been okay IF they didn’t bring out the 0 and Exia again. Just end it with the two strongest Gundams in the series and be done with it.

    I agree the soundtrack/OP/ED are excellent. Ash Like Snow/Friends remains the best anime OP and ED combo I’ve ever heard.

  3. Lucas says:

    The last episode due to the editing allows for time to go by to explain the scenes we see. It is not a Disney ending. Aeolia’s plan lead to the concentration of power and once the corrupted head was removed the new people in charge over time started mending things.
    The change shown is implied to have taken time and not happen overtime. Mr Bushido was there as an homage to the original Gundam and also to show man’s limits and the innovator’s power. In the original Gundam you had Naturals and Newtypes. Aolia’s plan will be further covered in the movie next year. Setsuna as an Innovator and Bushido as a human will face again. It will cover the whole dilemma of wether innovators are better or not. Wait for the movie in 2010 to complete the story.

  4. I swear to god some of you people are entirely unpleasable when it comes to mecha anime. The impression I’m getting is that you are all saying “I don’t know what kind of ending I would have wanted, but it wasn’t this”, as it probably would have been for any ending they came up with or frankly anything they tried to do with the show period. I mean no wonder some people have a wishy washy impression of the show when they are like that the whole way through.

    Whatever…..at least I’m satisfied……

  5. pgal says:

    “So in the end, this really is a series for those who want lots of solid action. If you’re not into that, then there really isn’t a lot left to watch in this series.”

    I agree. Being someone who doesn’t care about action and battles, there was not anything to look forward to.

  6. Zetatrain says:

    I agree that the first season was a bit better than the second, although I still throughly enjoyed both seasons. The problem with season 2 is that it bites off more than it can chew. In the first season the characters did not receive much attention, but in season 2 focus shifts dramatically to the characters. The problem is that there were just way too many characters to focus on and not enough time to develop them all properly, yet sunrise still tries to give everyone their fair share of time, but in the end some characters do not receive adequate development or time (Graham Acre).

    At the same time the plot is also neglected, resulting in a slightly disappointing plot, but I’ll wait until the movie to pass final judgment on the story. Maybe this could have been avoided if a little more focused was directed towards the characters in Season 2. Overall season 2 was decent at the very least and was enjoyable to watch.

  7. midenz says:

    Both seasons were enjoyable but i too think the 1st had more impact, idk but i think they tried to hard to go for a boom with the 2nd season

  8. Shippoyasha says:

    00 is a strange beast, because it has some solid foundations and the whole Celestial Being intervention idea is pretty intriguing and apparently it will still go on. The second half of the second season had too much melodrama for melodrama’s sakes and yeah, the actions sorta didn’t connect to one another at times.

    That said, it helps that is had some of the most epic Gundam fights in Gundam history while they were at it. IMO, out of like top 10 best Gundam fights, this show might have had like 7 out of my top 10. At least.

  9. GGear0323 says:

    i will say this, i also liked the first season as a whole better than the second, not by much, but the first half or maybe first ten episodes of season 2 were great. i do agree that there was a few too many characters to be able to flesh out everyone, and the problem with stuff like this is that when you introduce us to someone and make it seem they are important in some aspect, you expect them to get more in depth with that character at some point, but they couldnt do that with everyone. it probably would have been better if they just trimmed the cast in the second season by offing some people for reals at the end of the first.

  10. Giovanni P. says:

    Im sick of people bad-mouthing the ending.

    You want a horrible ending? Go watch BOTH Seed Series. They sucked so bad it made SD Gundam look way more appealing. Seriously, WTH was the ending supposed to be like? The final battle was epic. IDC what anyone says, you can’t tell me that Neil didn’t own that innovator with two pinkys and that Ribbons classic RX-78 did not look badass with just a beam sword.

    The story is for this generation of Gundam fans, not for those who saw Gundam Wing on Toonami or are into mecha genre as a whole. Although I Defenatly agree there are better series of MSG, this is on my top five of all time.

    The character buildup was great. Most characters that seemed insufficiant
    got their shine. 9/10

    Plot was ok. A little on the far out there scale. 8/10

    Mecha design, psh no comment. 9.5/10

    Overall 9.2/10

    At least there was no gay shouting in this one like in seed/seed destiny

  11. SonicSP says:

    Well,it’s hard to make a movie when you have an ending that solves everything and most of the goals of the plans has already been explained if you bother to look at certain scenes scattered through the series even if it hasnt been solved yet.

    Still the thing is,00 is a multimedia project,it’s not an anime that has spinoffs,the anime is only one piece;the main piece but still one piece nonetheless,the background onformation plays a vital role for those who want to know the full story behind the scenes like why are they so many Innvedas in the word is explained in 00P and of course how was Kyrios’s Drive saved.Among other sources are the instruction manuals,00P,00F,00V,S2 Official Files and others.

    I may not be entirely happy with the setup,but I guess if you take the time to read through,it’s alot more satisfying than what the anime gives.

    If this ending was the true ending of the series then I will be really pissed of,but it seems to be a smart move in my opnion if they wanted to make a movie out of it.

    I am not 100% confident the movie will be good,but I look forward to it anyway.

    At least the battles are way better in S2.

  12. KiteP says:

    You know what I think the real purpose of Gundam 00 was, especially the 2nd season? A money-making scheme to advertise their gunpla models. That’s it pretty much to the second season. I mean, how many different suits did Mr Bushido pilot? What was the whole point of switching the Masurao for the Susanowo?? And my biggest gripe is what they did with 00-raiser. Sure, it looks pretty cool with Trans-am on, but surely they can do better than slap a plane onto the back of a gundam? I reckon even a primary kid could have come up with something like that.

  13. chibura says:

    “At least there was no gay shouting in this one like in seed/seed destiny”

    That’s it. :D The reason why SEED get higher rating is mainly because their bishonen character. They sucks, but girls like it that way. WTF…

    I think Gundam 00 is a success. At least with characters design.

  14. Perrin4869 says:

    I don’t know if it was because it was the first Gundam series I watched, but I enjoyed all 50 episodes of Gundam 00 a lot! I don’t think at all that this series only has something to offer to those who want action though. I think the plot throughout the whole run was solid and well developed, the mystery of Aeolia’s plan was kept well concealed until the last episodes, and then it was not a disappointing revelation. And not having watched other Gundam series before, the ideas of Innovators and Solar Elevators felt very fresh and provided for awesome science fiction.
    True, there were glaring flaws, the most annoying is Saji and Louise, and also Marina in my opinion. And the annoying deus ex machina at episode 49 ruined some of the ending. But still, there was much more here than brainless action, even at the second season
    Also, in my opinion the Innovators were very nice villains. Most of them lacked personalities, but at least they had to be killed in order to be stopped, unlike most of the ends of villains, who end up giving in to the stupid speech of the protagonist.

    All in all, I think the reason this anime made an impact on me was the solid plot much more than the action. It moved slow, but it built up well, keeping fresh most of the time. It lacked also in many anime cliches, and the romance between Saji and Louise could have been tons worse.

  15. Athrun says:

    Gundam seed >> Gundam 00

  16. DTRIOz says:

    I agree with the folks who say SEED is better. I wasn’t the biggest fan of Destiny, though. It was just more… magical, and colorful, and immersing. The soundtrack was more theatrical with all its orchestration. And I _loved_ the melodramatic character focus of SEED–the stuff here just sacrifices too much of the story.

    Like, I’d even have dreams about SEED. The characters especially. That’s something I would never do with this (or most other series in the world). I’ve been hoping for another series like SEED for a long, long time, but this isn’t it. It doesn’t have the amazing absorbing power (HIGHLY ABSORBENT, HOLDS 20 TIMES ITS WEIGHT), nor its endearing flaws (instead it has other, ickier flaws).

    The dub is the only thing I could really stand of SEED, but here it looks like the voice-acting cast is not half bad.

  17. Sakura says:

    There’s still a bit of politics involved in the story, like how the media is heavily controlled by military instead by the government

  18. Anon says:

    To say that the action in this series was just “good” is an understatement. I don’t know, maybe it’s because I was watching this on blue-ray but the action and animation was very well done.

    While I believe there’s some recycling of Gundam Wing in this series, I think the story is at par, if not a little better, in comparison with the rest of the Gundam franchise. Like someone said, I found it had a solid plot and an intriguing story.

    I think 77.5 is a fair mark to give, but if left to me it’d be a least an 80.

  19. Trisha says:

    The reason I liked Gundam 00 so much was because it was set in our world, 300 years in the future. I am one to watch the science channel and the news, and I can say that they did a very good job to bring in eerie parallels into Gundam 00. Things like the military being controlled by the media sounds a lot like whats starting to happen now. I remember watching something once that even talked about building orbital elevators for solar energy with the exact concept that they used in Gundam 00.
    When it comes to the plot, it can be get really corny, but I just expect that from any main stream anime. However, if you are one that pays attention to what is happening politically everyday, I dont care where you stand on the views spectrum, you would come to feel a sense of respect for the people that created this anime. Sure it might not have Athrun Zala or Kira Yamato (both whom are so corny and lame and unrealistic idc how bishonen they are) this anime may not have the crazy multiple weapons like GSEED had but I tend to like that way. The fact that each these Gundams have depend on each others skills and plan out there battles beats the one person army Gundams that literally go into battle with not much thought on how they are going to win the battle.
    The bad thing about Gundam 00 is that it has a lot of elements in it that you are just supposed to assume to know and figure out for yourself, you know connect the dots. Like how poverty stricken these other countries are that are not part of the three major factions. I really wish that they would have put in a scene where it showed like a whole village dies from plague or something, much like how on GSEED or even Destiny showed coordinators get brutally slaughtered. To me it should had shown more brutality. It was a more mature Gundam show, much more than GSEED, yet it didn’t take the opportunity to show its audience the bitter cruel world that REALLY comes from war. Sure the show wasnt exactly sunshine and rainbows, but Setsuna and the others might as well have been taking their gundams to go see the lollipop king when it came to showing grit.
    I know that people complained about how great and grand GSEEDs and omg Destiny’s soundtrack was. However I do not detest 00’s music. (cept that l’arc en ciel song) I think they did a great job matching their story plot line with its unique soundtrack. I just dont see mozart sounding music that both seed and destiny had fitting in well with 00. Music tells a story too, that is why when flipping through youtube you will see fans trading music from other animes fail or not make it anywhere as good.
    Overall I am content in ways with 00 that I wasn’t content with GSEED. However there are some elements I think was more satisfied with GSEED then 00. But that doesn’t make it a bad anime, even though it made me feel a tad empty. It also doesnt make a perfect anime much like Code Geass was. To me they should have added more but didn’t so this anime gets about an 8. (barely)

  20. Ncik666 says:

    I really enjoyed Gundam 00. To be honest I liked GSEED but hated Destiny. 00 just seemed more honest with its portrayal of war. SEED had its “ATHRUUUUUN” “KIIIIIIIRAAAA” moments but nothing really showing the collateral damage or unassuming victims of the war. I was annoyed at Louise and Saji’s whining but I liked how they showed Saji’s movement to a complete selfish pacifist into someone who was willing to fight for his ideals.

    I think in the end this is what all Gundam series are about, fighting for your ideals, and how not all ideals are evil, such as Lt. Sergei’s loyalty to A-Laws even after being confronted with its brutality.

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Blades are slightly different, yes, but mostly just in their guard and how much they bend. Sabers bend easily, Epee's not so much. Surprisingly Epee is the slowest, because people tend to be more careful. Saber is actually the most aggressive of the blades, atleast at my skill level
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@Lenlo: sounds like Epee is the most "all-out-attack" and aggressive one. Their blades are different as well I assume?
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For Right of Way, its basically Person A attacks, Person B parries, Person A hits, Person B hits, Person B gets the point because they took right of way with the parry. Saber and Foil both have that, but Epee does not. Epee is simply "Whoever hits the opponent first, doesnt matter where, whole body is target area"
Lenlo
Theres Saber, Foil and Epee. The main difference is this thing called right of way, but there are other smaller ones like how Saber can hit with the edge and Epee is allowed to hit the entire body, instead of just the chest like Foil
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That Olympic anime sounds great.
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SuperMario
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SuperMario
@Kaiser: ha! Interesting that you mentioned Gaelic football, because in Aus we have AFL (Australian Football League), that really similars to Gealic Football to the point sometimes we have the 2 national teams compete each other with modified rules
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Hey, fencing is actually really cool. How did you like it Lenlo?
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@Lenlo: I'm no expert but isn't American football a variation of Rugby? And I believe american football is more extreme, considering they have to wear helmets, protection gears and all that
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American football looks like a battlefield with a visible battleline and everything. Id like it if there wasnt so many darn commercials.
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Now I have that sound euphonium compilation film downloaded, I should get to that sometime.
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@Mario: I hope Mel Gibson and Isabelle huppert win at the next oscars.
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@Mario: I liked the red turtle for its visual style of storytelling and animation even if I didn't get as emotionally attached to it as others did. I also watched Aquarius nd was pretty much blown away by Sonia Braga's performance. Elle is now one of my favourite Verhoeven films and its a miracle he managed to maintain such a great balance successfully throughout the film.
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I wonder why that is...
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, they were always milking code geass though what with those bajillion-million-billion manga spinoffs.
Kaiser Eoghan
Still say I was more fond of the character chemistry in spice and wolf as opposed to everything else.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'll likely pass on the code geass sequel, the memory I have of it has already led to its appeal dimishing for me, I don't want to ruin things further watching an un-neccesary followup. Still avoiding utawerumono's second season for same reasons.
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After all there are things which need sequels and things which don't. And Code Geass never needed a sequel after R2's ending. Giving something a sequel can just ruin the conculsion of the orignal series. Case in point. Eureka Seven Ao. Remember that? Cause you shouldn't. Because it was terrible.
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Honestly I would have preferred Spice and Wolf Season 3.
AidanAK47
So...is anyone gonna mention that Code Geass is getting a sequel?
....Because Code Geass is getting a sequel.
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@Anon487524: I'm still following it and it still remains a fun show to watch. I love the way they do the fan-servicey completely straight.
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@anon I'll admit to watching it. While it is very simple and follows the sport anime formula religiously, it's still a blast to watch every week. This is also helped because you have no expectations for it before watching other than "oh god what's gonna happen this week".
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Granted, nothing special, just one of those anime whose only worth is being fun to watch without being deep, but Keijo really is fun to watch, easily the best guilty pleasure anime in a long while to me.
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I started watching it expecting an crappy fanservice anime with nothing of worth, but it ended up being actually pretty fun and awesome to watch.
Anonymous487524
Anyone here seeing Keijo?
SuperMario
What's up with 3-gatsu no Lion? Delayed for a week huh?
Kaiser Eoghan
Checked out Hedeki anno's godzilla re-boot earlier out of curiousity, its a bit plodding/dull at times but sometimes its high camp value played straight is kind of funny, having godzilla evolve during the film was a cool touch and I enjoyed every scene with him and making a Godzilla film today is still very relevant. Not a patch on the old ones though.
Anonymous482380
I think that movie was just so terrible that people made it into a meme. Stuff like "The Entire Bee Movie Except Evey Time They Say 'Bee' The Movie Speeds Up"
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm sorry lmao I had to, it seemed so appropriate a moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
AidanAK47
Fun Fact: The whole Bees shouldn't be able to fly thing is a myth.
Badesh
I think that was just a dry realization...
AidanAK47
@Topgavin, It's a meme to post the entire script of the bee movie in random places?
....I don't get the joke.
Topgavin
For anyone wondering, I think anon just copy/pasted the entire script for the Bee movie. Memes are goin strong
Anonymous479946
According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.


Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.


Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.


Barry! Breakfast i
Kaiser Eoghan
Actually I think it was up to about episode ten or so I saw.
Kaiser Eoghan
From what I can recall I watched legend of the galactic heroes somewhere past the part with the Caligula guy.
AidanAK47
That is one thing I wonder about the remake. How are they going to make the space battles interesting? Cause for me theres only so many times you can watch tin boxes shoot lasers and explode.
AidanAK47
I didn't like LOGH until the third episode. That's when it started to catch my attention. It also helps that I have a interest in history as the plot of LOGH practically reads like genuine history.
AidanAK47
In my case the overhype didn't kill it for me as I generally try to avoid that. When I walked into LOGH I was under the impression that it would ahve merit but not be for me. After all I heard it was mostly politics and the politics of Gundam bore me to tears. Funny enough the opposite happened. The space battles bored me but the politics got me really interested.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, The problem is that the people who say that something is the best thing they ever seen don't actually mean it. Often it's just hyperbole. When talking we other people fans tend to blow certain things out of proportion unintentionally. Overrated is likely the wrong word but you get what I mean.
leahcimali
@AidankAK47 oh and are you going to write a review about it or because psngel already wrote a review of it you are not gonna write it ?
leahcimali
the problem is trying to rank art . Even comparing a comedy show and a story focus show is clearly impossible. @AidanAK47 do you think the overhype of some hardcore logh fan killed you enjoyment of the show ? Because sometimes when you expect nothing of something you can enjoy it more than when waiting for something incredible.
leahcimali
i hear the same thing from fan of lord of the ring, star wars and game of thrones, star trek ... etc. The hardcore fan of those says that they are the greatest things in history ... but saying there are overated is discrediting the quality of those. Nothing is perfect and again maintening equal quality in a longuer running show is impossible. But having a longer story create a more rich background
LookingForKeys
@Mario Kimi no Na ha is pretty damn good. Watched it while in Japan a couple weeks back. The story has well done surprises, and on the graphics side you can *really* see Production IG worked on it.
leahcimali
I don't think saying logh is overated is a good way to say it. All media with great aclaimed critics or even highly popular show suffer from the fan reaction. If fan claim that it is the best things that they have ever saw and you don't agree, it feels overated. But this is only pure subjectivity. Saying he is greastest thing in history is a way for fan to exprim there love
AidanAK47
However it has been placed on a unreasonable pedestal that nothing could live up to. Eva is sort of in the same boat. So yes it is overrated but that does not mean it isn't great.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, if anything is claimed to be the greatest thing in the history of mankind it is overrated. The basic idea that there is a single anime out there which is fundamental and universally better than all other anime regardless of genre or intent is inherently a flawed concept. I do certainly see why LOGH is so highly acclaimed and I believe it is well worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I didn't look into the details of the new LOGH remake. I was planning on doing that when I am doing an anime season preview for it whenever it's going to air next year. For a long anime it does rate highly but even then I am not certain it really needed all 110 of those episodes.
leahcimali
about your comment are you thinking the LOGH anime is overated ? i ask Because you said that there is plenty of anime you consided better .
Anonymous476875
about the remake won't it be a straight adaptation from the manga remake by the artist that made shiki ?
Anonymous476875
AidanAK47 personally i really loved legend of the galactic heroes and it is one of the anime that make one of the biggest impact on me. I found it the best "long" anime that i ever seen (more than 24 ep). But comparing it to anime with shorter format is a bit hard. you can make something that have perfect pacing in 1h30 but it is impossible with a 110 ep anime.
AidanAK47
Either way I am pretty certain that all other isn't crap to me now seeing as I have seen the so called pinnacle. In fact There are plenty of anime I consider better that LOGH.
AidanAK47
There are aspects of its story which wouldn't really work by today's standards.
AidanAK47
And I did it. I watched legend of the galactic heroes. I have slain the white whale of anime. It certainly was interesting to say the least but I think the remake coming is going to have trouble. I am in between giving it a 8 or a 9 but it's clear that LOGH is very much a product of its time.
Kaiser Eoghan
I didn't really care for this weeks flipflappers, the fanservice and also it was even more trigger than I could take.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Gavin@Mario: I'll get round to your name someday but I think this might be my last chance with shinkai.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: That disgaea review made me nostalgic because I remember my friends and I playing it back when it first came out. We found it difficult but were amused by it/liked the characters.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Are the manga posts exclusively for series with only a few chapters translated or series that came out in the past year or so? I've been reading gunka no balthazar and enjoying it enough and think it should get recommendation out there.
Topgavin
Just booked tickets to go see it on Sunday with my little sister. Was surprisingly reluctant but I know she'll like it, I've already seen it but pumped either way.
SuperMario
Your name movie has been showed theatrically here in Aus, I'm planning to rewatch it soon in theatre and then do a review on it. Is that alright with other admins?
SuperMario
so I guess the top 6 will advance to the final are: Otabek Altin (Kazakhstan), Giacometti (Switzerland), Yuri, Yurio, JJ and Phichit? Will be very cool final event haha
SuperMario
At the very least Yuri on Ice shows me how entertaining ice skating can be
SuperMario
@K-Off: have a good trip ahead K-Off. Well, it's still better than Japan (earthquake) I guess
K-Off
Well, heading to Korea tomorrow. What a time to go. In the middle of Korea's biggest financial scandal since the 80s.
Lenlo
Is it just me, or does the Yuri on Ice opening get more colorful and detailed every week?
SuperMario
Badesh, if you like to check out their other songs, give "Tunnels of Love" and "Romeo & Juliet" a listen. Though I just discovered Telegraph Road quite recently, those 2 songs are qmong my all time favorite
SuperMario
I prefer their ealier version when the band was still together (aLCHEMY 1983), but that Rome 2005 was magnificent too. Seriously with this band diifferent live versions feel like another experience... And that song is criminally under-heard in radio too, because of its running time. A crying shame
Badesh
uhh, found it in better quality. now, THAT is a fitting present for my dad :)
Badesh
well that commentator, that sounds like he's in a soccer match, will get on my nerves though...
Badesh
if you're talking about the rome 2005 version... hell, that's some sweet music. i'll inhale that for the rest of the evening, thanks for that
SuperMario
Anyone here listen to Dire Straits? I just in the mood for their music lately. Checked out the band playing Telegraph Road live the other day on youtube and I was completely stunned.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I considered Flip Flappers 3,5,6 to be its best so far so continue on to see if Flip Flappers is your cup of tea or not
SuperMario
For me I have a lot of stuffs to catch up on this time a year, both in terms of anime and in my RL. Time goes fast as hell
Lenlo
Started watching Flip Flappers. Thought I had it figured out, then we got Mad Max going on. I may start liking it more, cause the first 2 eps didnt do much
Lenlo
Its also nearing Thanksgiving in the states and end of semester for University, so those sorts will be busier than usual.
AidanAK47
You are far too young to be reminiscing. You can build a place for a community but you can't force one to come. I for one would think it would be easier to form one if people stopped using the Anon tag. You can change your name with the customize button you know.
Anonymous469664
I remember a time when people other than site admins were regular posters. Those were the days...
AidanAK47
But I suppose watching Westworld isn't exactly a waste of time.
AidanAK47
Downside is that I really don't have a lot of time these days. It's rather annoying. The day goes by and it doesn't really feel like you did anything.
AidanAK47
On the upside, I am nearly finished Legend of the galactic heroes. So when the Remake airs next year I will have a lot to say about it.
AidanAK47
Personally I have been rather busy lately and wanted to finish off a few things. Hence why my posts have been getting later.
AidanAK47
Anyway when there's nothing on the chat box to talk about then of course it dries up.
AidanAK47
You have unfortunate timing.
Anonymous469664
All the chat regulars have left house as well.
Anonymous469664
Four days since a single post.
K-Off
Damn, I don't know if it's the layout/algorithm/mods, but so many subreddits that I used to frequent have gotten watered down as hell. Between the influx of shills and changes to the upvote/downvote system (which doesn't properly convey controversial comments anymore, like 45 upvotes to 47 downvotes. Now it shows only a -2) it's hard to find reasonable debates or find important info
SuperMario
@K-off: and for that book the last time I checked it was $110 for you guys who live US plus free shipping. For us it's $150 not incluing the postage and few weeks delivery.
K-Off
Damn, I didn't realize that it could be that bad elsewhere. The worst experience I had was when I ordered a laser pointer from Switzerland over a forum, and the cunt didn't respond for nearly 4 weeks until I threatened to refund my $250 on PayPal.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Europe. That's the difference.
SuperMario
@Aidan: yeah I got a dispatch notice saying it's shipping now. I ordered it back in September as well so I don't know why the difference between us.
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