Posted by psgels on 20 May 2009 with categories: Tsubasa Chronicle, Tsubasa Shunraiki



Okay, so I don’t know why I’m still blogging this show, even though I’m SO not the target audience. I really am a terrible manga reader: as an example, I’ve tried for a year now to get through the Bokura no, and even though it’s one very big heap of awesomeness, I’m still stuck around chapter 30. I’m not sure why it is, but I completely lack the dicipline for that.

In any case, this episode sure showed why the Tsubasa Manga has been rumoured to be so ridiculously complicated: the sakura we’ve seen thus far wasn’t the real Sakura, but simply a clone. A second Sakura (another clone) for some strange reason turns out to be inside the Japan country, but before she can do anything she gets kidnapped by the guy from the Piffle and Jade world.

At the moment, I really don’t take the Tsubasa series seriously anymore, mostly because I just have seen way too little of the real Syaoran to make up for all of the angst he seems to be going through. And on top of that, this only seems to be the beginning of the string of far-fetched plot twists that’s about to come. Though I do have to give this show credit where it’s due: this episode really looked awesome in terms of visuals, but most importantly, I really appreciate the GUTS of this show to kill off one of its main characters. Even though Sakura was instantly replaced by yet another clone, the two of them remain different characters. These experimental bits are things that I can appreciate in a way, but PLEASE: in the next OVA, make Sakura actually DO something. I had a bit of hope in the third episode of Tokyo Revelations, but it’s starting to get really dull to see her still in the role of damsel in distress. Especially with how ridiculously powerful fake Syaoran has become, I really hope that she’s going to something different other than sitting around waiting to be rescued or god-moding herself out of trouble.

My biggest fear right now is that xxxHolic is going to take over these ridiculously complicated plot twists from Tsubasa Chronicle, and this episode… well… came with a really weird revelation: Watanuki gave away his memory in return from the information of Fei Wong’s location. Oh god, I knew that it was strange that we’ve never heard of Watanuki’s parents, but to think that he was that involved with the story still baffles me a bit. I know that the xxxHolic anime stripped away all of the Tsubasa references (which was a good thing, IMO), but did he in the manga ever wonder why he couldn’t remember his parents’ names, or tell how he spent his childhood? And really, another thing I’m wondering: how the heck does a child like that know how to think so far ahead, predicting that years into the future there would be a point in which his alter ego would need to know the location of some evil overlord? Couldn’t he have done so at any point in time? Especially considering how the real Syaoran only managed to break free because of a whimsical action of one of Fei Wong’s servants, there would have been a pretty big chance for the guy to just waste away his memories that way. And another thing… wasn’t Syaoran locked inside of Fei Wong’s dimension? If he was conscious the entire time, then why didn’t he also know where he was?

I can only hope that the second episode of xxxHolic will be about xxxHolic, rather than it becoming a back-up manga for Tsubasa. I loved xxxHolic because of its unique take on modern folklore and the interesting topics it addressed, not for some kid who is going to help save the world from the evil Fei Wong.

Rating: (Enjoyable)
Lots of far-fetched plot twists with lots of pretty graphics. I have a lot to whine about this series, but somehow it remains compelling.

20 Responses

  1. DmonHiro says:

    Then it sucks to be you, because xxHOLIC manga actually IS becoming the backup to Tsubasa.

  2. Grhasha says:

    Heh. This is the place where I stopped reading the manga. It just became so goddamn frustrating to remember who is who’s clone, what impact do they have on the plot, and just what’s the main plot was about anyway. I only remember getting this annoyed watching lost (dropped that too :)). It’s that feeling that the creators have no idea where they’re going with the story. I’ll probably pick it up when the story will get finished. The manga didn’t end yet, right?

  3. kiryuu says:

    I’d say it is getting close to wrapping up.. but the mind games are going to continue till the end. ^^

  4. Marmoset says:

    Yeah I just can’t believe that clamp truly knew where they were going when they started this. It’s just far too needlessly complicated. That doesn’t mean it had to be ‘defeat a bad guy get a feather’ simple but it just went too far.

  5. AstroNerdBoy says:

    Gah! Thanks for reminding me that I need to still watch episode 1. ^_^;;;;

  6. lialiakicks says:

    Actually, all of your questions are being answered as we speak in the manga. Don’t get me wrong, the manga’s plot twists are CRAZY but once you figure out who’s who, it all makes sense.

  7. pgal says:

    Tsubasa Chronicles has becomes very confusing and all the angst is very annoying. I don’t think you have seen the other confusing ‘twist’ in the tale that made me drop attempting to figure this out. Unfortunately that other twist involves xxxholic.

    The first time I watched it, it was a show with a good story and some light moments. Right now it has too many twists that does not give it an intricate storyline, but one that gives me a headache. It also lacks any light moments and is always very moody.

    When xxxholic crosses with Tsubasa Chronicles, it is reduced to a side story of Tsubasa Chronicles. Unfortunately that is where xxxholic has been for sometime now.

  8. Jack says:

    if you pay attention you would know that the sakura, who was taked away was the body, not another clone! the soul is now dead! and yes! in one chapter watanuki realized that he can’t remember his parents name!

  9. chan says:

    there are not two Sakura clones, the one that died was her soul, which she spilt from her body. Only her soul died not her body, which was what was kidnapped. I believe that Syaoran said it in the previous episode. I think the problem with people who watched the anime first is that they were used to a simple formula, from the anime, never mind that was the whole it got canceled in the first place. Because the Tsubasa Chronicle had a little habit of removing plot relevant themes, and rearranging, erasing and adding in the visited worlds. So that might also be a cause for your confusion, as Bee-Train tried to simply something that very simple at all. Just a little heads up though Sakura’s wings were never in a positive light in the manga, there is a reason for this. So a little word of advice is to erase what you learned about Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles from the Bee-Train anime, because its wrong.

  10. psgels psgels says:

    chan: yeah, the more I think about it, the more I realize that Bee-Train was really planning to go with its own storyline for the third season (understandable, since the manga was nowhere near finished at that point) they planned, only CLAMP didn’t like it and they were pulled off the project. It’s therefore pretty confusing to figure out what was part of the original TC, and what was the part that Bee-Train had in mind.

  11. crazy person says:

    You want answers, I have some.

    Sorry to break all the hate here but I see Tsubasa and xxxHolic great works by CLAMP. One of the greatests. Now, I have explanation based on manga and from here on out are spoilers so beware.

    CLAMP planned that xxxHolic and Tsubasa will become venues to link all of their creatins together (thus the crossovers/AU’s and mentions from other series) and lately, sad to agree, xxxHolic have become a back-up for Tsubasa. What you can’t understand in Tsubasa is explained further in xxxHolic and vice versa BECAUSE Yuuko is the center of it all! Recent manga chapters reveal Fei Wong Reed’s plan regarding the feathers & the clones.

    And yes, in the xxxHolic manga chapters 143, 144 & 157, he did realize that he’s forgetting and he seemed to dwell more into the Dream World.

    Now, why is he THAT involved with the group that he even gave up his memories so that Syaoran etc can find Fei Wong? Because it is explained in Tsubasa Chapter 203 & xxxHolic Chapter 157.

    And about Syaoran not knowing Fei Wong’s location. It is pretty simple. He’s been kidnapped and trapped in a place that’s in another world/dimension and Fei Wong’s female assistant was the one who brought Syaoran to Yuuko. So it’s pretty simple why he can’t remember. ~,~

    And I agree with above comment. ERASE EVERY ASSUMPTION you’ve learned (especially the fillers after Rekord Country) from watching the happy happy anime Bee Train. I’m not saying Production IG was better in animating xxxHolic (because important references were erased) but at least the latter production showed the dark side that CLAMP wanted to convey.

  12. chan says:

    oh and another thing because it seems as though you have not read xxxholic either. Watanuki did wonder why he remember his parents’ faces, but because it was directly linked to Tsuabasa it was removed. Syaoran and Sakura are a lot older than they look, and in the CLAMP universe there is something called a dreamseer. These are people who can see the future in their dreams, we’ve already met at least three of them…all Sakuras, Princess Tomoyo, and Kurogane’s mother. One of their powers also involves the ability to speak to people telepathically across worlds if need be. Also dreamseers are not allowed to tell people the future of that they saw if they want to change it, other dreamseers are okay thaough. Because if they tell you then that future will become unavoidable. Syaoran also was held captive only because he was paying a price to Yuko in order to protect Watanuki from Fay Wong Reed, the price was time, which once it was used up, he no longer had any reason to stay inside of the jail. Once it was paid he easily broke out of the barrier himself, he knew exactly where he was he just couldn’t transfer to other worlds, which is what the servant, because Bee-Train never explained it but in the CLAMP universe there are very few people who have the ability to tranfer to other worlds on their own, and even of those people can do it more than once.
    Also Fay Wong Reed was behind the whole angel wing incident in xxxholic, and the reason why he didn’t kill Syaoran was because he couldn’t. “The Dream must End”, is the phrase uttered by most of the Dreamseers, Yuko, or the characters that know what’s going on, even Fay Wong Reed’s servant said the same thing. What’s its pertaining to is what Fai was talking about to Syaoran in this OAD about how Fay Reed was sacrificed the lives of many people, both artificial and real, for his ambition to bring one person back to life. That’s why his servant betrayed him.

  13. crazy person says:

    And I want to clarify one of the comments above about:

    “there are not two Sakura clones”

    There is one Sakura clone and one original Sakura. Both Sakura’s body and soul have been cloned as stated by Fei Wong Reed. He also said in a conversation with Kyle that the original Sakura ‘broke down’ because it was complicated to clone both body and soul.

    Also big spoiler about Watanuki in the OAD 2:

    “Syaoran to Watanuki: You have to do what you think is right…because you are the other me.”

    further explained in the manga chapters I gave above.

  14. kagura says:

    I don’t really think that Bee Train’s TC is at fault here. I mean, even though it was heavily fillerized, it stayed rather faithful to the manga plot, except, of course, for the 2nd season’s ending, which was original anime story and had absolutely NOTHING to do with the manga (it got fixed in Tokyo Revelations OADs though). I watched the anime first (both Bee Train’s series and Tokyo Revelations) and then read the manga from the very beginning. I didn’t really catch any significant differences in the main plot, maybe except for one world that was wholly omitted in the anime.

    The real problem with the anime is the fact that they, for some reasons, omitted two worlds that should be between Tokyo Revelations and Shunraiki, in which EXTREMELY IMPORTANT things happened/were revealed, so there’s absolutely no way for people who don’t read the mangs to not feel confused. I hope that the future OADs (if there will be any) will cover the omitted material, because it’s simply too awesome to be left out like that.

    As for the plot twists, they seem crazy at first, but, as it’s been said in one of the comments above, they’re actually not that complicated and it’s really all starting to make sense later.

  15. crazy person says:

    I AGREE WITH ABOVE COMMENT VERY MUCH ABOUT OMMITED WORLDS.

    Shunraiki was a great OAV adaptation OF NIHON ARC. No matter how great it was, it cannot deny the fact that Infinity Arc (shown wy Sakura was unconscious) and Celes Arc (Fai’s past and curses) were ommited. AT LEAST CELES ARC EXISTED IN FLASHBACK and mentioned in the beginning. D:

    And I’m not saying Bee Train wasn’t faithful with the manga. They were MUCH faithful with the manga and I have no qualms about the fillers. It’s just the assumptions one can get, the plot that as been simplified, is what I have a problem with.

  16. chan says:

    I myself am pissed off that they skipped over Infinity arc, because it was my favorite arc (those bastards). Though the Bee-Train anime was faithful in content that was original to Tsubasa, they tended to over simplify, and water down the story so that it could be enjoyable for a younger audience. Though CLAMP didn’t help matters by allowing two different animation companies to animate their works, which were supposed to be linked in story. So end result is understandable confusion from anime only watchers who didn’t expect this to happen. CLAMP should have probably stopped Bee-Train from season one, or just payed more attention to adaptation itself, as Bee-Train made it obvious that they were going to make the anime for a younger audience, and I don’t think junior would have been in favor of seeing cute rabbits things, sacrifice the heroes to the tornado, wrecking havoc in their village.

  17. Machi says:

    Fortunately Tsubasa references in XXXholic aren’t enough to mar the story, in other words you can go on reading XXXholic without touching the inanity that is Tsubasa Resevoir which continues to grow more and more contrived with each new revelation or plot twist.

  18. chan says:

    actually you can’t do that anymore. The only way to truly understand xxxholic is to read Tsubasa and vice versa. Its been that way for 30 or so chapters. The plot twists also make sense if you pay attention.

  19. Snowolf says:

    Hey psgels!

    As an avid avid fan of xxxHolic and a sewhag intrigued one of TRC, I have come to rescue you from your confusions! Hooray!

    Going to the episode first: it certainly was mucho eyecandy- the fight scene was epic and the magical fights awesome. On the other hand the constant repition of sakura flowers and cliché characters really nagged me. Syaoran really needs to stop acting all heroic and get some flaws. Clone!Syaoran on the other hand is my favorite character in the whole TRC series. His later complex character development really makes up for his boringness at the begginning of the second half. But they released a mJor spoiler in this episode early, which pissed me off more than anything. Heck, Watanuki didn’t even know that he is the other Syaoran in the manga yet. Grr!

    Onto xxxHolic manga, sadly what you fear is true – it is becoming/is a backup for Trc- by don’t worry, because it focuses on Yuuko and Watanuki rather than Syaoran and his group. In fact it’s much more interesting (it still was before but we have many mysteries solved now) and we really dive into the sort of relationship Watsnuki and Yuuko have formed and Yuuko’s role in both the TRC world and her shop. However it’s true that as of recently for the past thirty chapters you need to read both mangas to truly get a sense of what’s going on. But TRC is about to end very very very soon (and sadly xxxholic as it’s the sister project) so I guess they are tying up all the loose ends for a big climax/finale.

    And yes, this is where TRC gets incredibly complex- almost mind wrecking because there’s the issue of clones. Dual existances. And most confusing are the TIME PARADOXES. Gah! But it’s CLAMP so i forgive them :)

    Anyway, read the manga as you will be confused by what’s happening…

  20. Juno says:

    Everyone keeps telling you to read the manga and then, they give you confusing and contradicting explanations. XD

    Basically, whether you care to read it or not, the manga is better. People who read the manga don’t get as lost in confusion or go as crazy about the flaws with the series. The anime made things confusing for the majority of the fans.
    Tsubasa/Holic are Japanese manga series and the American fans are getting so mad at them. However, the Japanese fans seem surpressed enough. (I visit Japanese blogs and sites as well)

    Now, to clear up even more about my biggest idols, CLAMP intended Holic and Tsubasa to be one series. Ohkawa thought up the idea to make two stories and it went from there. While many people in America find it difficult to need to catch up in both series to understand it all, Japanese fans read MUCH faster and can finish both series (or at least one and a half) in a day. Trust me. I’ve seen it happen. Even the non-otaku (who basically read popular shoujo/shounen based on their gender only) do this.

    I don’t want to be all biased-sounding at all, but unfortunately for Americans (or any foreign readers/watchers), Japanese fans are the center of it all and they think much differently. This is why other fans get frustrated when they are unheard…

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KTravlos
A thing I really like about there stuff is that since they are set post-One Year War, most characters are veterans and they actually behave like veterans. Thus battles are more than just curbstomps etc. I really suggest their gundam stuff. Manga wise start with the Plot to Assassinate Gihren.
KTravlos
I have to say the ARK Performance gundam-verse is one of the favorite uses of the gundam concept . They really do a good job tying their stories together and with the original series.
Lenlo
If were talking manga as well, since I dont realy VNs/LNs, Vinland Saga, Vagabond, Berserk and Basara are all way up there for me
Anonymous1579124
I can probably disect pages on end of Kyousougiga. As for Sun Knight, it's translated from Taiwanese, so the chance of it getting an anime is a big fat zero. Not to mention that it is probably one of the hardest thing to translate into video format, movies or series, animated or not.
Anonymous1579124
@SuperMario Animation vs. Animator?
SuperMario
Kyousougiga was a creative and passionate anime. You can clearly see the love of the creators put into it. But of the year 2013 nothing can beat The Eccentric Family and Flowers of Evil for me
SuperMario
@Niello: I'm willing to give Sun Knight and Dorohedoro (or I should wait for the anime adaptation in few years?) a try but not anytime soon. My next of queue is Night is Short and re-watch of Now and Then. Sorry if I sound like a broken records but lately I haven't had that much time for myself.
SuperMario
..."Mario, what the heck is this??". so we stopped. My friends weren't trying to be rude so I didn't feel any offense, but the thought of watching a stick figure never cross their mind, hence the reaction. Anime fares much better in that regards since people still willing to watch it
SuperMario
(about people's hesitance towards animation medium): Tell me about it. Few years ago I had a Saturday movie night with my mates, one time I convinced them to watch a short animated film "Come one, it's one of the best thing I've seen this year" "It's only 15 minutes so you guys can watch them easily". So they agreed but as soon as the stick figure comes onscreen. My friend turned off...
Anonymous1578845
Lol just found out that there's a Sense8 (on Netflix) easter egg in "Just Because" ep 3 xD, made my day!!!!
Anonymous1578826
Forgot to say this, but anyone willing to give the Sun Knight novel a try, in some ways, it is quite similar to Houseki no Kuni. While it is mainly comedy....it also has a lot of suffering.
silver
@Niello/Anaon1578774?: I watched Kyousougiga maybe 6mos. ago, so I think I'll enjoy it more when I rewatch it sometime in a year or so. Seems most of my top picks cemented their place after a second viewing
Anonymous1578774
@Silver It speaks to me on a personal level no other fiction has comes close to matchin. so it has a very special place in my heart. It's also one of those that get better with each rewatch. I seem to have a penchant for liking what often get described by others as convoluted, this is one of them. I also adore Matsumoto's directing and all the symbolisms.
silver
@Kaiser: I neglected film in my youth as well.. and also in adulthood. A popular gag amongst my friends is that, "silver's never seen any movie ever." I hadn't seen star wars until a girl I dated in uni forced me to watch 4-6...
silver
Hah when I posted about liking works adapted from every medium I wondered if it was going to spark a 'top 10' discussion, but when I was trying to mentally rank them I remembered how hard it was...
@Niello: interesting that Kyousougiga is your all-time #1. I thought it was lovely but probably doesn't make the cut for me
Kaiser-Eoghan
Novels are somewhat alien territory to me as I tend to watch adaptations be they film or otherwise.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I've watched thousands in the past few years because I neglected the medium in childhood.
Nielllo
Unless you mean animated only.
Nielllo
@Eoghan: I don't think I watched enough films at all, and that's made even worst when I forget most of them after a couple of years.
Nielllo
@SuperMario: I really recommend The Legend of the Sun Knight novel. Think it's something you'll probably enjoy quite a bit. It's quite cleverly written. You can read the official fan translation online.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: A top ten film list for me is even harder, I can't even attempt.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Akumetsu> death note
FITE ME.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gunslinger girl gets such a strong mention from me because I feel that action stories often work better when you care about the characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
<No Freesia adaptation
<No Eden adaptation
<No full production IG Alita film series
<why live =<
Nielllo
@SuperMario: There are some anime I'm not going to watch just because the manga is superior, period. Good examples are Monster and One Piece.
Nielllo
@Eoghan: Oh, I knew about Wolfram mangaka's apprenticeship already :p
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: First however, When mountains may depart, By Jia Zhangke, I am full romance mood.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Planetes and Vinland saga have to go somewhere on a list. Oddly they share the same creator.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Reminds me Dreams by Kim-ki-duk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I mentioned Dorohedoro's author was Nihei's apprentice, but heres another interesting one, the mangaka for Wolfram apprentice under BOTH Kento Miura and Kaoru Mori.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: gladly. On Body and Soul is a weird mix of romance drama, character study and a weirdly magical bond between two people who share the same dream. That weirdness is what make the movie so memorable, although I do feel the ending stays out its welcome
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nihei, Umezu and Itou belong somewhere among my favourite mangaka.
SuperMario
I don't know why you'd mix manga/anime together, but my own top 10 is in my profile (click over my username), I've included anime/ movies together but if the list is purely anime shows I'd add Haibane Reimen as #9 and Humanity Has Declined as #10
Nielllo
Apart from Kyousougiga which is always no.1, and The Legend of the Sun Knight, Dorohedoro, Shinsekai Yori and Monster whose places are swappable, the rest I'm quite flexible with. Saint Seiya is in if it's a favorite list, and out among the bottom of the barrel when it comes to quality list, with the exception of The Lost Canvas.
Nielllo
Hmmm, atm it's 1. Kyousougiga (a) 2. Monster (m) 3. Dorohedoro (m) 4. Shinsekai Yori (n) 5. Baccano! (a) 6. Ran to Haiiro no Sekai (m) 7. Saint Seiya (my guilty pleasure, I can't defend it in anyway) 8. Franken Fran (m) 9. The Legend of the Sun Knight (n)(1st tier comedy) 10. Haibane Renmei/Toradora!.Honorable mentions to Gamaran, Beck, GTO, Mushishi, Kaiba and Grave of the Fireflies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Damn....its a harder question to answer than it looks =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although Cruel God reigns in heaven would com close.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nah, nothing would dethrone Gunslinger girl for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or even Utena but I feel it somewhat overated as I do Bebop despite enjoying both.
Kaiser-Eoghan
One of those on the top ten could easily be switched for honey and clover.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also love the works of Shimura Takkako, early takahashi and early Clamp.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Shiki would work its way onto a recent favourites list.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite visual novels are Kara no shoujo, saya no uta and Sharin no kuni.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've a soft spot for ah my goddess, basara, 7 seeds , nanoha and Red river.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If I was making more modern lists for recent favourites I'd probably add flipflappers somewhere or yuasas works.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh my top ten by mixing manga and anime into the same list? 1. Gunslinger (both) girl 2. Ghost in the shell (anime) 3. Earl cain saga (manga) 4. Angel Sanctuary (manga) 5. Texhnolyze (anime) 6. Lain (anime) 7. Perfect blue (anime) 8. Fruits basket (manga) 9. Monster 10. Kare kano.
Nielllo
I don't think anything will ever dethrone Kyousougiga for me though.
Nielllo
I still need to watch Tatami Galaxy and a bunch of other staple shows...
Lenlo
We could put out a site-author Top 10 list sometime maybe... Some of mine are Mushishi, Steins;Gate, Tatami Galaxy and Your Lie in April. Its got a spectrum of genre.
Nielllo
So what are people's top 10?
silver
Certainly on my top 10 list I have works adapted from VNs, manga, novels, LNs, and originals. I just think originals have a higher rate of efficient visual storytelling compared to adaptations
silver
@Kaiser: I like SEL and Haibane and texhnolyze is on my ever-growing list of things to watch. I also really like Gurren Lagen and Kill la Kill although they're both better if you've seen enough anime to know what they're parodying. My ex who loathed most anime because of the aforementioned over-exposition issue also introduced me to Dennou Coil which I really enjoyed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Body and soul just got released on a webdl , sell me on the film if you can =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Silver: Texhnolyze/Lain/Haibane are excellent examples.
silver
I think original anime offers a different experience than adaptations, particularly regarding 'show don't tell.' By necessity most anime source material is dialogue and exposition heavy and can't always utilize the medium efficiently. Of course, I've watched masterpieces adapted from every kind of source, so it's all good
Niello
I'd love to see this thing animated some day. Preferably with movie budget: http://thepropertyofhate.com/TPoH/Ex position/312
Niello
@Eoghan: Try searching in some Asian languages and you might have better luck.
silver
Most open-minded people I talk with don't have anything against animated entertainment. Shows like Bob's Burgers, Archer, and Bojack Horseman have carved a modern niche for 'adult' animation. Having a show about talking alcoholic horse would be pretty cheesy with live action.
Niello
Never mind, Mario said it. But I also don't agree that idol shows or incest shows are intrinsically bad. On top of idol being a trend in Japan first and anime pick it up because it's part of the culture.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The reason people see the worst side of things, is because that is what is made most on the surface and immediate,
Niello
@Amagi: Considering that all the ones you listed are originally manga, I think you should give manga more credit...
Kaiser-Eoghan
And by finding I mean, hard to buy or torrent .
Kaiser-Eoghan
The infuriating thing is how poorly distributed some things are. I hate seeing Godammn blurays of shit hollywood films everywhere and I have to struggle to find some old/quality eastern film.
Amagi
I think it's the same problem as with endless shounen. Sometimes series get dragged on purpose to make more money.
Amagi
The tons of seasons is what scares me away sometimes
Kaiser-Eoghan
I keep thinking, why pad a 90 minute-9 1/2 hour story in a billion one hour per episode seasons.
Amagi
Yeah it's always like that, with cinema movies too.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also hate ensemble/mosaic storytelling for the larger part, with some exceptions.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know this excuse won't work with people who love serialized live-action tv dramas but...I don't like most tv shows because of how padded they are and that they go on far too long and the acting is tv standard and not film standard.
Lenlo
I dont want TV that much, but my experience has been there are very few shows worth watching. Just like anime.
Lenlo
Well, in the argument that anime has alot of bad trends to, I would say so does regular television. How many TVs per year are as good/acclaimed in the "best" anime of each season are in the community?
Amagi
I think it's just sad that there are so many people (the big majority) that refuse to watch cartoons in general because they consider them as either childish or a worse version of "real" series. They'll always miss the good sides anime/manga have and therefore certain sub-genres as a whole.
Amagi
@SuperMario: Yeah you're right. I should have specified it to Japanese drawn media in general (VNs too). And yeah most anime/manga are rather trashy or blatantly bad. But the good series are often something live acting can't create and we'd miss without Japan. There are good cartoons too, though
SuperMario
... original ones: Cowboy Bebop, EVA, Flip Flappers, Kaiba, etc
SuperMario
@amagi: I almost agree with everything you said, but we might give anime too much credits. Remember it's a medium that responsible for many, many bad trends: idol shows, incest shows, tentacle hentai shows and so on so forth. The shows you listed here are come from manga as well, and they are strong manga materials to begin with. If I choose an example of what anime can achieve I'd point to some..
Amagi
This season is really good and it shows how lacking fiction would be without anime. Stuff like Shuumatsu, Houseki or even Mahoutsukai can only exist as anime. It's something live acting script writers would never come up with, not to mention that a lot would be lost without the respective drawing styles, be it the moe blobbs of Shuumatsu or the CGI hair, grass and camera movement of Houseki.
KTravlos
btw I really liked this Mahoutsukai no Yome episode. Finally we are getting somewhere
Amagi
@Kaiser: You're right, totally forgot that. Looking forward to this. Also I could have sworn I heard about a new project from Iso (Dennou Coil) last year but I guess I either confused him with someone else or with Children of Ether in which he's involved in some kind of way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: That series was going to be devilman crybaby .
Amagi
Wasn't Yuasa also doing a series of some sort this year? Haven't watched the movies yet but I loved most of his stuff so far, with Kaiba being my favorite.
Anonymous1575628
Wow, Houseki did not disappoint for me this week.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I enjoyed it for what it was. But I'd say even if you didn't read the subs you probably wouldn't have much trouble following it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually had a look and lu over the wall, coincidentally , there are moments of where Yuasa's imagination/visuals shine through and its a genuinely charming film at times, but it does almost outstay its welcome and there's a sense Yuasa was somewhat restrained this time round, it IS a kids movie and that kind of does need to be taken into account, its not AS mad as mind game or kemonozume.
Amagi
Yoake Tsugeru Lu no Uta is subbed, but no idea if the subs are good
Kaiser-Eoghan
And its quite natural.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Florida project succeeds through its free flowing nature/narrative and manages to be hilarious all the while managing to never allow you forget its also a kitchen sink drama, the best performances come from William Dafoe and the girl. At the end it gut punches the audience emotionally.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: also expecting Florida Project, 3 Billboards, and The Shape of Water in my end
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh, Kino was a bit too slight this week.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Just Lu, disaster artist and happy end left now for the year. Maybe the new Godzilla.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I felt that Sion Soni's Noriko's dinner table did the irl acting thing better.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I'm going to watch The Killing of a Sacred Deer. Consider I regarded The Lobster as one of the best film of that year and Dogtooth and Alps impressed me a lot; I have high hope for this one
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mooooommm, I want my Lu over the wal subs and I want them now OMO!
Niello
...Can't torrent where I am, grrrr.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm quite fond of Go Nagai's devilman, so I'll be interested in seeing Yuasa's adaptation of it whenever it comes out.
SuperMario
@Kasier: ha! thanks Kaiser. Finally it's out... gonna download it now
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Here is a link to Night is short walk on girl English subbed: https://nyaa.si/view/979508
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: OR JUST MONIKA Amirite =P
SuperMario
in all seriousness though, I hope they can use one week break to smooth out their production.
SuperMario
so Just Because's taking a break this week. The reason: just because
Lenlo
Mhmhmm Inuyashiki was great this week. I just love this show.
Amagi
The hell- no didn't know that. I really wouldn't have expected tribute songs to this series
Niello
@Amagi: Did you know this exists? And it's by Igorrr no less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhQQ57N-9ys&list=PL9ku-W0xIzd4EYUL9bUG2CZXBIy7cCiSk
Niello
And yes, I'm just waiting and waiting for the day the anime get announced. No doubt it'll becomes a classic.
Niello
@Eoghan, I don't think it becomes a mess though, the story threads all come together amazingly well.
KTravlos
I too recommend at least watching 2nd episode of Tanya before passing judgement.

Looking forward to the Urasawa manga as well!
SuperWooper
@Anonymous: Thanks! Reading blog posts used to be my go-to distraction when I took breaks at work. Now I have to take breaks from writing them. It's a grind at times, but Star Crossed ought to be alive for a while yet.
Amagi
Adaptions for series like these only work when they're passion projects. If they're not they end up like the Dies Irae anime.
Amagi
It's another one of those series I really wish to see as an anime with music, movement and so on. But same as with Made in Abyss, it needs a cometent director and one that is in love with the work or else it will be a letdown
Amagi
@Niello: Yes and I fucking love it. The gritty style, the setting, the characters and designs and so on. @Kaiser didn't know she was under Nihei that's cool. I love these sketchy styles
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: yes and more people I believe should so, despite that its kind of become a mess, I take the thing as one big black comedy. The woman who drew it interestingly enough apprenticed under Tsutomu Nihei.
Niello
Anyone here read Dorohedoro?
Anonymous1566521
Just passing by to say like the place, it's kinda perfect to read for whenever I take a break. And most importantly I haven't read anything stupid. Hopefully it won't die anytime soon:0
Vonter
Masky - Overlord has an OP isekai, yet I find that series compelling do to the world building, and how even with power and influence, the MC plays like a chessmaster and not brute force his way into doing something.
AidanAK47
@Masky, I wouldn't write off Tanya so fast. Make it to episode 2 at least.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel I need to actually properly get into Godzilla for some frame of reference before the anime film, I've only seen the new one and the original.
Amagi
Or the Hiroshima movie
Amagi
I know you can't have everything but considering that we currently have Blame, the Itoh movies, Lu over the Wall, Godzilla or Napping Princess this is rather a let down
Amagi
Meh, not really happy about the anime film festival decision here - a few good movies are there: heaven's feel, motherfucka (from the tekkonkinkreet guy) and another one that sounds great but other than that a lot specials like conan movie #718 or something, the third part (why?) of persona 3 and other movies that are just specials of series I dropped at some point
Masky
*WWI
Masky
I mean, op isekai mc is boring whether they are hero or villain, thats how tired I'm of that trope at least
Masky
So was wondering what was up with that Tanya the Evil show and was disappointed to find out its "Isekai were MC is evil and WWII esque fantasy setting"
Anonymous1566013
dragon ball kai
Anonymous1566013
dragon ball z
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: That Godard biopic you mentioned is showing tonight and on sunday afternoon, at the very least I'll be checking out Le Chinoise in preparation for it.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: and right after I just watched Loving Vincent in theatre, it's available online
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Blame! got released ages ago and no one watched it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Out in cinemas in Dublin in 3 weeks though, might aswell wait.
SuperMario
Also Lu over the Wall is out, with Russian subtitle. So anyone here who can understand Russian, you're in luck
Amagi
@Kaiser: Thanks, I love quite many anime movies. Guess I have something to watch this weekend.
AidanAK47
Not many I am afraid. Though I do like it's music.
Anonymous1565678
who is fairy tail fan here
Kaiser-Eoghan
For those interested anime Godzilla is out in a few weeks. Also Genocidal organ, napping princess and in this corner of the world are out as is the Fate/ilya movie.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm interested enough to read more of that Urasawa manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't point out errors (although its part of my job at work to lol) but I feel that one thing was noticeable in the Kino review, soap instead of soup is mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Eh, I quite like it when anything deals with religion or conviction in a mature way, it makes me feel things.
AidanAK47
Not really keen on following a Urasawa manga while it's ongoing considering how much of a slow burn his stories usually are.
Amagi
To the English only people: the Urasawa manga is translated into English now - it's on Mangastream (so beware of the watermark, but better than nothing)
Anonymous1565136
The anime?
SuperMario
... still on course with the anime (my phone acting up again)
SuperMario
@afgm: welcome back mate. It has been awhile. Hope you're
Anonymous1564565
@Amagi, The sign post with Iyami's teeth symbol read something like Buddhist reseach facility, which only makes it weirder.
Amagi
Also that Iyami clone seems to be the same as the running guy on page 2 (which was also the promo page posted on sites like ANN)
Amagi
Thank you very much anon. I love how international this chat is. But what you said makes the story feel even weirder. Really wonder what this is about but I can't say I am not interested now
Anonymous1564565
This is weird, really weird.
Anonymous1564565
[spoiler] As expected, now he's in another trouble. ...He mistook a crow for a blue bird that will bring happiness. And then we go back to the scene at the beginning when he hallucinate about someone calling. ...Is that Iyami from Osomatsu-san?
Anonymous1564565
[spoiler]Then because Trump is currently popular, their plan to is mass produce the mask with the guy's factory? (He's totally getting dupe isn't e?)
Anonymous1564565
[spoiler] The wife won a lottery and got a free vacation ticket to a luxurious cruise ship. She then left the husband with another guy. The Trump parody hag person is Beverly Duncan. Then one of the husband coworker put on a mask of Trump and start mocking.
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