Posted by psgels on 20 May 2009 with categories: Tsubasa Chronicle, Tsubasa Shunraiki



Okay, so I don’t know why I’m still blogging this show, even though I’m SO not the target audience. I really am a terrible manga reader: as an example, I’ve tried for a year now to get through the Bokura no, and even though it’s one very big heap of awesomeness, I’m still stuck around chapter 30. I’m not sure why it is, but I completely lack the dicipline for that.

In any case, this episode sure showed why the Tsubasa Manga has been rumoured to be so ridiculously complicated: the sakura we’ve seen thus far wasn’t the real Sakura, but simply a clone. A second Sakura (another clone) for some strange reason turns out to be inside the Japan country, but before she can do anything she gets kidnapped by the guy from the Piffle and Jade world.

At the moment, I really don’t take the Tsubasa series seriously anymore, mostly because I just have seen way too little of the real Syaoran to make up for all of the angst he seems to be going through. And on top of that, this only seems to be the beginning of the string of far-fetched plot twists that’s about to come. Though I do have to give this show credit where it’s due: this episode really looked awesome in terms of visuals, but most importantly, I really appreciate the GUTS of this show to kill off one of its main characters. Even though Sakura was instantly replaced by yet another clone, the two of them remain different characters. These experimental bits are things that I can appreciate in a way, but PLEASE: in the next OVA, make Sakura actually DO something. I had a bit of hope in the third episode of Tokyo Revelations, but it’s starting to get really dull to see her still in the role of damsel in distress. Especially with how ridiculously powerful fake Syaoran has become, I really hope that she’s going to something different other than sitting around waiting to be rescued or god-moding herself out of trouble.

My biggest fear right now is that xxxHolic is going to take over these ridiculously complicated plot twists from Tsubasa Chronicle, and this episode… well… came with a really weird revelation: Watanuki gave away his memory in return from the information of Fei Wong’s location. Oh god, I knew that it was strange that we’ve never heard of Watanuki’s parents, but to think that he was that involved with the story still baffles me a bit. I know that the xxxHolic anime stripped away all of the Tsubasa references (which was a good thing, IMO), but did he in the manga ever wonder why he couldn’t remember his parents’ names, or tell how he spent his childhood? And really, another thing I’m wondering: how the heck does a child like that know how to think so far ahead, predicting that years into the future there would be a point in which his alter ego would need to know the location of some evil overlord? Couldn’t he have done so at any point in time? Especially considering how the real Syaoran only managed to break free because of a whimsical action of one of Fei Wong’s servants, there would have been a pretty big chance for the guy to just waste away his memories that way. And another thing… wasn’t Syaoran locked inside of Fei Wong’s dimension? If he was conscious the entire time, then why didn’t he also know where he was?

I can only hope that the second episode of xxxHolic will be about xxxHolic, rather than it becoming a back-up manga for Tsubasa. I loved xxxHolic because of its unique take on modern folklore and the interesting topics it addressed, not for some kid who is going to help save the world from the evil Fei Wong.

Rating: (Enjoyable)
Lots of far-fetched plot twists with lots of pretty graphics. I have a lot to whine about this series, but somehow it remains compelling.

20 Responses

  1. DmonHiro says:

    Then it sucks to be you, because xxHOLIC manga actually IS becoming the backup to Tsubasa.

  2. Grhasha says:

    Heh. This is the place where I stopped reading the manga. It just became so goddamn frustrating to remember who is who’s clone, what impact do they have on the plot, and just what’s the main plot was about anyway. I only remember getting this annoyed watching lost (dropped that too :)). It’s that feeling that the creators have no idea where they’re going with the story. I’ll probably pick it up when the story will get finished. The manga didn’t end yet, right?

  3. kiryuu says:

    I’d say it is getting close to wrapping up.. but the mind games are going to continue till the end. ^^

  4. Marmoset says:

    Yeah I just can’t believe that clamp truly knew where they were going when they started this. It’s just far too needlessly complicated. That doesn’t mean it had to be ‘defeat a bad guy get a feather’ simple but it just went too far.

  5. AstroNerdBoy says:

    Gah! Thanks for reminding me that I need to still watch episode 1. ^_^;;;;

  6. lialiakicks says:

    Actually, all of your questions are being answered as we speak in the manga. Don’t get me wrong, the manga’s plot twists are CRAZY but once you figure out who’s who, it all makes sense.

  7. pgal says:

    Tsubasa Chronicles has becomes very confusing and all the angst is very annoying. I don’t think you have seen the other confusing ‘twist’ in the tale that made me drop attempting to figure this out. Unfortunately that other twist involves xxxholic.

    The first time I watched it, it was a show with a good story and some light moments. Right now it has too many twists that does not give it an intricate storyline, but one that gives me a headache. It also lacks any light moments and is always very moody.

    When xxxholic crosses with Tsubasa Chronicles, it is reduced to a side story of Tsubasa Chronicles. Unfortunately that is where xxxholic has been for sometime now.

  8. Jack says:

    if you pay attention you would know that the sakura, who was taked away was the body, not another clone! the soul is now dead! and yes! in one chapter watanuki realized that he can’t remember his parents name!

  9. chan says:

    there are not two Sakura clones, the one that died was her soul, which she spilt from her body. Only her soul died not her body, which was what was kidnapped. I believe that Syaoran said it in the previous episode. I think the problem with people who watched the anime first is that they were used to a simple formula, from the anime, never mind that was the whole it got canceled in the first place. Because the Tsubasa Chronicle had a little habit of removing plot relevant themes, and rearranging, erasing and adding in the visited worlds. So that might also be a cause for your confusion, as Bee-Train tried to simply something that very simple at all. Just a little heads up though Sakura’s wings were never in a positive light in the manga, there is a reason for this. So a little word of advice is to erase what you learned about Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicles from the Bee-Train anime, because its wrong.

  10. psgels psgels says:

    chan: yeah, the more I think about it, the more I realize that Bee-Train was really planning to go with its own storyline for the third season (understandable, since the manga was nowhere near finished at that point) they planned, only CLAMP didn’t like it and they were pulled off the project. It’s therefore pretty confusing to figure out what was part of the original TC, and what was the part that Bee-Train had in mind.

  11. crazy person says:

    You want answers, I have some.

    Sorry to break all the hate here but I see Tsubasa and xxxHolic great works by CLAMP. One of the greatests. Now, I have explanation based on manga and from here on out are spoilers so beware.

    CLAMP planned that xxxHolic and Tsubasa will become venues to link all of their creatins together (thus the crossovers/AU’s and mentions from other series) and lately, sad to agree, xxxHolic have become a back-up for Tsubasa. What you can’t understand in Tsubasa is explained further in xxxHolic and vice versa BECAUSE Yuuko is the center of it all! Recent manga chapters reveal Fei Wong Reed’s plan regarding the feathers & the clones.

    And yes, in the xxxHolic manga chapters 143, 144 & 157, he did realize that he’s forgetting and he seemed to dwell more into the Dream World.

    Now, why is he THAT involved with the group that he even gave up his memories so that Syaoran etc can find Fei Wong? Because it is explained in Tsubasa Chapter 203 & xxxHolic Chapter 157.

    And about Syaoran not knowing Fei Wong’s location. It is pretty simple. He’s been kidnapped and trapped in a place that’s in another world/dimension and Fei Wong’s female assistant was the one who brought Syaoran to Yuuko. So it’s pretty simple why he can’t remember. ~,~

    And I agree with above comment. ERASE EVERY ASSUMPTION you’ve learned (especially the fillers after Rekord Country) from watching the happy happy anime Bee Train. I’m not saying Production IG was better in animating xxxHolic (because important references were erased) but at least the latter production showed the dark side that CLAMP wanted to convey.

  12. chan says:

    oh and another thing because it seems as though you have not read xxxholic either. Watanuki did wonder why he remember his parents’ faces, but because it was directly linked to Tsuabasa it was removed. Syaoran and Sakura are a lot older than they look, and in the CLAMP universe there is something called a dreamseer. These are people who can see the future in their dreams, we’ve already met at least three of them…all Sakuras, Princess Tomoyo, and Kurogane’s mother. One of their powers also involves the ability to speak to people telepathically across worlds if need be. Also dreamseers are not allowed to tell people the future of that they saw if they want to change it, other dreamseers are okay thaough. Because if they tell you then that future will become unavoidable. Syaoran also was held captive only because he was paying a price to Yuko in order to protect Watanuki from Fay Wong Reed, the price was time, which once it was used up, he no longer had any reason to stay inside of the jail. Once it was paid he easily broke out of the barrier himself, he knew exactly where he was he just couldn’t transfer to other worlds, which is what the servant, because Bee-Train never explained it but in the CLAMP universe there are very few people who have the ability to tranfer to other worlds on their own, and even of those people can do it more than once.
    Also Fay Wong Reed was behind the whole angel wing incident in xxxholic, and the reason why he didn’t kill Syaoran was because he couldn’t. “The Dream must End”, is the phrase uttered by most of the Dreamseers, Yuko, or the characters that know what’s going on, even Fay Wong Reed’s servant said the same thing. What’s its pertaining to is what Fai was talking about to Syaoran in this OAD about how Fay Reed was sacrificed the lives of many people, both artificial and real, for his ambition to bring one person back to life. That’s why his servant betrayed him.

  13. crazy person says:

    And I want to clarify one of the comments above about:

    “there are not two Sakura clones”

    There is one Sakura clone and one original Sakura. Both Sakura’s body and soul have been cloned as stated by Fei Wong Reed. He also said in a conversation with Kyle that the original Sakura ‘broke down’ because it was complicated to clone both body and soul.

    Also big spoiler about Watanuki in the OAD 2:

    “Syaoran to Watanuki: You have to do what you think is right…because you are the other me.”

    further explained in the manga chapters I gave above.

  14. kagura says:

    I don’t really think that Bee Train’s TC is at fault here. I mean, even though it was heavily fillerized, it stayed rather faithful to the manga plot, except, of course, for the 2nd season’s ending, which was original anime story and had absolutely NOTHING to do with the manga (it got fixed in Tokyo Revelations OADs though). I watched the anime first (both Bee Train’s series and Tokyo Revelations) and then read the manga from the very beginning. I didn’t really catch any significant differences in the main plot, maybe except for one world that was wholly omitted in the anime.

    The real problem with the anime is the fact that they, for some reasons, omitted two worlds that should be between Tokyo Revelations and Shunraiki, in which EXTREMELY IMPORTANT things happened/were revealed, so there’s absolutely no way for people who don’t read the mangs to not feel confused. I hope that the future OADs (if there will be any) will cover the omitted material, because it’s simply too awesome to be left out like that.

    As for the plot twists, they seem crazy at first, but, as it’s been said in one of the comments above, they’re actually not that complicated and it’s really all starting to make sense later.

  15. crazy person says:

    I AGREE WITH ABOVE COMMENT VERY MUCH ABOUT OMMITED WORLDS.

    Shunraiki was a great OAV adaptation OF NIHON ARC. No matter how great it was, it cannot deny the fact that Infinity Arc (shown wy Sakura was unconscious) and Celes Arc (Fai’s past and curses) were ommited. AT LEAST CELES ARC EXISTED IN FLASHBACK and mentioned in the beginning. D:

    And I’m not saying Bee Train wasn’t faithful with the manga. They were MUCH faithful with the manga and I have no qualms about the fillers. It’s just the assumptions one can get, the plot that as been simplified, is what I have a problem with.

  16. chan says:

    I myself am pissed off that they skipped over Infinity arc, because it was my favorite arc (those bastards). Though the Bee-Train anime was faithful in content that was original to Tsubasa, they tended to over simplify, and water down the story so that it could be enjoyable for a younger audience. Though CLAMP didn’t help matters by allowing two different animation companies to animate their works, which were supposed to be linked in story. So end result is understandable confusion from anime only watchers who didn’t expect this to happen. CLAMP should have probably stopped Bee-Train from season one, or just payed more attention to adaptation itself, as Bee-Train made it obvious that they were going to make the anime for a younger audience, and I don’t think junior would have been in favor of seeing cute rabbits things, sacrifice the heroes to the tornado, wrecking havoc in their village.

  17. Machi says:

    Fortunately Tsubasa references in XXXholic aren’t enough to mar the story, in other words you can go on reading XXXholic without touching the inanity that is Tsubasa Resevoir which continues to grow more and more contrived with each new revelation or plot twist.

  18. chan says:

    actually you can’t do that anymore. The only way to truly understand xxxholic is to read Tsubasa and vice versa. Its been that way for 30 or so chapters. The plot twists also make sense if you pay attention.

  19. Snowolf says:

    Hey psgels!

    As an avid avid fan of xxxHolic and a sewhag intrigued one of TRC, I have come to rescue you from your confusions! Hooray!

    Going to the episode first: it certainly was mucho eyecandy- the fight scene was epic and the magical fights awesome. On the other hand the constant repition of sakura flowers and cliché characters really nagged me. Syaoran really needs to stop acting all heroic and get some flaws. Clone!Syaoran on the other hand is my favorite character in the whole TRC series. His later complex character development really makes up for his boringness at the begginning of the second half. But they released a mJor spoiler in this episode early, which pissed me off more than anything. Heck, Watanuki didn’t even know that he is the other Syaoran in the manga yet. Grr!

    Onto xxxHolic manga, sadly what you fear is true – it is becoming/is a backup for Trc- by don’t worry, because it focuses on Yuuko and Watanuki rather than Syaoran and his group. In fact it’s much more interesting (it still was before but we have many mysteries solved now) and we really dive into the sort of relationship Watsnuki and Yuuko have formed and Yuuko’s role in both the TRC world and her shop. However it’s true that as of recently for the past thirty chapters you need to read both mangas to truly get a sense of what’s going on. But TRC is about to end very very very soon (and sadly xxxholic as it’s the sister project) so I guess they are tying up all the loose ends for a big climax/finale.

    And yes, this is where TRC gets incredibly complex- almost mind wrecking because there’s the issue of clones. Dual existances. And most confusing are the TIME PARADOXES. Gah! But it’s CLAMP so i forgive them :)

    Anyway, read the manga as you will be confused by what’s happening…

  20. Juno says:

    Everyone keeps telling you to read the manga and then, they give you confusing and contradicting explanations. XD

    Basically, whether you care to read it or not, the manga is better. People who read the manga don’t get as lost in confusion or go as crazy about the flaws with the series. The anime made things confusing for the majority of the fans.
    Tsubasa/Holic are Japanese manga series and the American fans are getting so mad at them. However, the Japanese fans seem surpressed enough. (I visit Japanese blogs and sites as well)

    Now, to clear up even more about my biggest idols, CLAMP intended Holic and Tsubasa to be one series. Ohkawa thought up the idea to make two stories and it went from there. While many people in America find it difficult to need to catch up in both series to understand it all, Japanese fans read MUCH faster and can finish both series (or at least one and a half) in a day. Trust me. I’ve seen it happen. Even the non-otaku (who basically read popular shoujo/shounen based on their gender only) do this.

    I don’t want to be all biased-sounding at all, but unfortunately for Americans (or any foreign readers/watchers), Japanese fans are the center of it all and they think much differently. This is why other fans get frustrated when they are unheard…

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@Anon487524: I'm still following it and it still remains a fun show to watch. I love the way they do the fan-servicey completely straight.
Topgavin
@anon I'll admit to watching it. While it is very simple and follows the sport anime formula religiously, it's still a blast to watch every week. This is also helped because you have no expectations for it before watching other than "oh god what's gonna happen this week".
Anonymous487524
Granted, nothing special, just one of those anime whose only worth is being fun to watch without being deep, but Keijo really is fun to watch, easily the best guilty pleasure anime in a long while to me.
Anonymous487524
I started watching it expecting an crappy fanservice anime with nothing of worth, but it ended up being actually pretty fun and awesome to watch.
Anonymous487524
Anyone here seeing Keijo?
SuperMario
What's up with 3-gatsu no Lion? Delayed for a week huh?
Kaiser Eoghan
Checked out Hedeki anno's godzilla re-boot earlier out of curiousity, its a bit plodding/dull at times but sometimes its high camp value played straight is kind of funny, having godzilla evolve during the film was a cool touch and I enjoyed every scene with him and making a Godzilla film today is still very relevant. Not a patch on the old ones though.
Anonymous482380
I think that movie was just so terrible that people made it into a meme. Stuff like "The Entire Bee Movie Except Evey Time They Say 'Bee' The Movie Speeds Up"
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm sorry lmao I had to, it seemed so appropriate a moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
AidanAK47
Fun Fact: The whole Bees shouldn't be able to fly thing is a myth.
Badesh
I think that was just a dry realization...
AidanAK47
@Topgavin, It's a meme to post the entire script of the bee movie in random places?
....I don't get the joke.
Topgavin
For anyone wondering, I think anon just copy/pasted the entire script for the Bee movie. Memes are goin strong
Anonymous479946
According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.


Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.


Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.


Barry! Breakfast i
Kaiser Eoghan
Actually I think it was up to about episode ten or so I saw.
Kaiser Eoghan
From what I can recall I watched legend of the galactic heroes somewhere past the part with the Caligula guy.
AidanAK47
That is one thing I wonder about the remake. How are they going to make the space battles interesting? Cause for me theres only so many times you can watch tin boxes shoot lasers and explode.
AidanAK47
I didn't like LOGH until the third episode. That's when it started to catch my attention. It also helps that I have a interest in history as the plot of LOGH practically reads like genuine history.
AidanAK47
In my case the overhype didn't kill it for me as I generally try to avoid that. When I walked into LOGH I was under the impression that it would ahve merit but not be for me. After all I heard it was mostly politics and the politics of Gundam bore me to tears. Funny enough the opposite happened. The space battles bored me but the politics got me really interested.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, The problem is that the people who say that something is the best thing they ever seen don't actually mean it. Often it's just hyperbole. When talking we other people fans tend to blow certain things out of proportion unintentionally. Overrated is likely the wrong word but you get what I mean.
leahcimali
@AidankAK47 oh and are you going to write a review about it or because psngel already wrote a review of it you are not gonna write it ?
leahcimali
the problem is trying to rank art . Even comparing a comedy show and a story focus show is clearly impossible. @AidanAK47 do you think the overhype of some hardcore logh fan killed you enjoyment of the show ? Because sometimes when you expect nothing of something you can enjoy it more than when waiting for something incredible.
leahcimali
i hear the same thing from fan of lord of the ring, star wars and game of thrones, star trek ... etc. The hardcore fan of those says that they are the greatest things in history ... but saying there are overated is discrediting the quality of those. Nothing is perfect and again maintening equal quality in a longuer running show is impossible. But having a longer story create a more rich background
LookingForKeys
@Mario Kimi no Na ha is pretty damn good. Watched it while in Japan a couple weeks back. The story has well done surprises, and on the graphics side you can *really* see Production IG worked on it.
leahcimali
I don't think saying logh is overated is a good way to say it. All media with great aclaimed critics or even highly popular show suffer from the fan reaction. If fan claim that it is the best things that they have ever saw and you don't agree, it feels overated. But this is only pure subjectivity. Saying he is greastest thing in history is a way for fan to exprim there love
AidanAK47
However it has been placed on a unreasonable pedestal that nothing could live up to. Eva is sort of in the same boat. So yes it is overrated but that does not mean it isn't great.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, if anything is claimed to be the greatest thing in the history of mankind it is overrated. The basic idea that there is a single anime out there which is fundamental and universally better than all other anime regardless of genre or intent is inherently a flawed concept. I do certainly see why LOGH is so highly acclaimed and I believe it is well worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I didn't look into the details of the new LOGH remake. I was planning on doing that when I am doing an anime season preview for it whenever it's going to air next year. For a long anime it does rate highly but even then I am not certain it really needed all 110 of those episodes.
leahcimali
about your comment are you thinking the LOGH anime is overated ? i ask Because you said that there is plenty of anime you consided better .
Anonymous476875
about the remake won't it be a straight adaptation from the manga remake by the artist that made shiki ?
Anonymous476875
AidanAK47 personally i really loved legend of the galactic heroes and it is one of the anime that make one of the biggest impact on me. I found it the best "long" anime that i ever seen (more than 24 ep). But comparing it to anime with shorter format is a bit hard. you can make something that have perfect pacing in 1h30 but it is impossible with a 110 ep anime.
AidanAK47
Either way I am pretty certain that all other isn't crap to me now seeing as I have seen the so called pinnacle. In fact There are plenty of anime I consider better that LOGH.
AidanAK47
There are aspects of its story which wouldn't really work by today's standards.
AidanAK47
And I did it. I watched legend of the galactic heroes. I have slain the white whale of anime. It certainly was interesting to say the least but I think the remake coming is going to have trouble. I am in between giving it a 8 or a 9 but it's clear that LOGH is very much a product of its time.
Kaiser Eoghan
I didn't really care for this weeks flipflappers, the fanservice and also it was even more trigger than I could take.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Gavin@Mario: I'll get round to your name someday but I think this might be my last chance with shinkai.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: That disgaea review made me nostalgic because I remember my friends and I playing it back when it first came out. We found it difficult but were amused by it/liked the characters.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Are the manga posts exclusively for series with only a few chapters translated or series that came out in the past year or so? I've been reading gunka no balthazar and enjoying it enough and think it should get recommendation out there.
Topgavin
Just booked tickets to go see it on Sunday with my little sister. Was surprisingly reluctant but I know she'll like it, I've already seen it but pumped either way.
SuperMario
Your name movie has been showed theatrically here in Aus, I'm planning to rewatch it soon in theatre and then do a review on it. Is that alright with other admins?
SuperMario
so I guess the top 6 will advance to the final are: Otabek Altin (Kazakhstan), Giacometti (Switzerland), Yuri, Yurio, JJ and Phichit? Will be very cool final event haha
SuperMario
At the very least Yuri on Ice shows me how entertaining ice skating can be
SuperMario
@K-Off: have a good trip ahead K-Off. Well, it's still better than Japan (earthquake) I guess
K-Off
Well, heading to Korea tomorrow. What a time to go. In the middle of Korea's biggest financial scandal since the 80s.
Lenlo
Is it just me, or does the Yuri on Ice opening get more colorful and detailed every week?
SuperMario
Badesh, if you like to check out their other songs, give "Tunnels of Love" and "Romeo & Juliet" a listen. Though I just discovered Telegraph Road quite recently, those 2 songs are qmong my all time favorite
SuperMario
I prefer their ealier version when the band was still together (aLCHEMY 1983), but that Rome 2005 was magnificent too. Seriously with this band diifferent live versions feel like another experience... And that song is criminally under-heard in radio too, because of its running time. A crying shame
Badesh
uhh, found it in better quality. now, THAT is a fitting present for my dad :)
Badesh
well that commentator, that sounds like he's in a soccer match, will get on my nerves though...
Badesh
if you're talking about the rome 2005 version... hell, that's some sweet music. i'll inhale that for the rest of the evening, thanks for that
SuperMario
Anyone here listen to Dire Straits? I just in the mood for their music lately. Checked out the band playing Telegraph Road live the other day on youtube and I was completely stunned.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I considered Flip Flappers 3,5,6 to be its best so far so continue on to see if Flip Flappers is your cup of tea or not
SuperMario
For me I have a lot of stuffs to catch up on this time a year, both in terms of anime and in my RL. Time goes fast as hell
Lenlo
Started watching Flip Flappers. Thought I had it figured out, then we got Mad Max going on. I may start liking it more, cause the first 2 eps didnt do much
Lenlo
Its also nearing Thanksgiving in the states and end of semester for University, so those sorts will be busier than usual.
AidanAK47
You are far too young to be reminiscing. You can build a place for a community but you can't force one to come. I for one would think it would be easier to form one if people stopped using the Anon tag. You can change your name with the customize button you know.
Anonymous469664
I remember a time when people other than site admins were regular posters. Those were the days...
AidanAK47
But I suppose watching Westworld isn't exactly a waste of time.
AidanAK47
Downside is that I really don't have a lot of time these days. It's rather annoying. The day goes by and it doesn't really feel like you did anything.
AidanAK47
On the upside, I am nearly finished Legend of the galactic heroes. So when the Remake airs next year I will have a lot to say about it.
AidanAK47
Personally I have been rather busy lately and wanted to finish off a few things. Hence why my posts have been getting later.
AidanAK47
Anyway when there's nothing on the chat box to talk about then of course it dries up.
AidanAK47
You have unfortunate timing.
Anonymous469664
All the chat regulars have left house as well.
Anonymous469664
Four days since a single post.
K-Off
Damn, I don't know if it's the layout/algorithm/mods, but so many subreddits that I used to frequent have gotten watered down as hell. Between the influx of shills and changes to the upvote/downvote system (which doesn't properly convey controversial comments anymore, like 45 upvotes to 47 downvotes. Now it shows only a -2) it's hard to find reasonable debates or find important info
SuperMario
@K-off: and for that book the last time I checked it was $110 for you guys who live US plus free shipping. For us it's $150 not incluing the postage and few weeks delivery.
K-Off
Damn, I didn't realize that it could be that bad elsewhere. The worst experience I had was when I ordered a laser pointer from Switzerland over a forum, and the cunt didn't respond for nearly 4 weeks until I threatened to refund my $250 on PayPal.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Europe. That's the difference.
SuperMario
@Aidan: yeah I got a dispatch notice saying it's shipping now. I ordered it back in September as well so I don't know why the difference between us.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the days where I used to be relying on waiting for anime dvds to come out locally , looking back they were really overpriced, 35 euro for 4 or 5 episodes.
Kaiser Eoghan
My opinion on FMA alchemist ended up being all over the place because I must have watched 3 episodes every few months of it, then I stopped watching it for a year, got back into it for a few months, abandoned it for months then marathoned 20 episodes in one night to get it finished.
Kaiser Eoghan
See I've been thinking over FMA lately, if you join up the best episodes of brotherhood and the first adaptation you get the perfect show.
Kaiser Eoghan
And yet it would make sense to rewatch it. 2005/2006 were the days where I'd never marathon anything. I've seen the whole show obviously but with massive gaps in between.
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