Posted by psgels on 10 September 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Aoi Hana



At the start of this year I wasn’t exactly the biggest fan of romance, but damn. 2009 has surely proved to be an excellent year for this genre. The year already started out with gems as Clannad’s After Story and Genji Monogatari, then it continued with the truly excellent Ristorante Paradiso and Cross Game, and if that wasn’t enough the Summer season only continued this trend of awesomeness with Spice and Wolf II and, of course, Aoi Hana.

At first sight, Aoi Hana may seem like your average lesbian series with lots of girls who cheesily fall in love with each other, but this series quickly proves those suspicions wrong when it subverts just about every cliché in the romance genre imaginable. FOR ONCE, romantic relationships are portrayed realistically, rather than those overly romanticized relationship you see in most average romances. For once, you see childhood friends who really behave like childhood friends, rather than the creators using the childhood friendship as a cheap plot device to get the lead couple in love with each other. For once, the two lead characters don’t end up falling in love with each other, and instead the main romance plays out between one of the lead character, and a side-character. And really: for once in a gay show we see actual straight romances. In fact, there’s only one lesbian in the entire series (Fumi, one of the lead characters). The rest is either straight or bi.

On top of that, this series is incredibly well told. there’s a huge amount of subtlety within the relationship of the most important characters in this series: the way they behave, feel and interact with each other is really done with a superb attention to detail. The series is only eleven episodes long, and yet the personality of each character can’t just be explained in one sentence. There’s absolutely nothing that’s shallow in this series.

The animation for this series also really stands out among the best in the romance genre. It’s very subtle, and portrays very accurately how all of the different characters move. But it’s especially the scenes in which people are touching each other, whether holding hands or messing with each other’s hair, in which the animation really makes those movements feel so incredibly real.

I feel hard-pressed to pick up any flaws for this series. Obviously, you don’t want to watch this series if you dislike a slow-paced series, but it really is a must-watch for any fan of the shoujo-ai genre in the way that it so realistically portrays lesbian relationships. There are a few scenes here and there that could have used a bit more build-up (like Kyouko’s fiancee, or the ending), but those moments are few and far in between. Aoi Hana really is one of my top picks of the past Summer Season.

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 9/10
Production-Values: 9/10
Setting: 8/10

20 Responses

  1. mei says:

    the OST itself is a real gem

  2. terrorist says:

    Such a great way to end this :S J.C. Staff did it again.

  3. omo says:

    I didn’t think the relationships were particularly realistic, nor are the yuri aspects at all similar to RL lesbian romances, nor was the whole childhood friend thing you said applies considering the implication it has for Fumi. Furthermore it’s typical of yuri anime to have very few characters that would be considered as full-blown lesbians. Usually just one. In all those regards I think Aoi Hana doesn’t break out anything unusual.

    All that said the way they do all the relationships in the show are very entertaining and touchingly cute, so it was consistently fun to watch. Even the strange friction between the four Sugimoto sisters…

  4. Chris K says:

    Yes, I loved watching this series but I have a problem with them cutting it off at 11 episodes.

    Because while watching Fumi and Akira renew their friendship, and watching Fumi mature was fine, the series left everything hanging.

    What I mean by this is that the Fumi confession to Akira is a red herring, it was cute and honest, but I know that Akira’s not a lesbian, and the obvious hookup is Akira/Kou and Fumi/some new girl who’s more self aware than Yasuko, plus I would have liked a little more back story on the secondary characters like Akira’s brother and Fumi’s friends.

  5. kaei says:

    Actually, I think the jury’s still out on where Kyouko falls on the Kinsey scale — there’s been no evidence to suggest that she’s sexually or romantically interested in Kou or any males at all (but there’s no evidence to say she’s not.) At this current point in the story I actually consider both Kyouko and Fumi to be “lesbian.” If only the story would just conveniently pair them together, huh.

    @omo: I don’t know if the relationships in this show were “realistic” in the sense that you can find such relationships — fiances like Kyouko and Kou, childhood friends rekindling a long-forgotten relationship, 2 younger sisters falling in love with an older sister’s boyfriend — in many places in real life (I personally don’t know anyone like that). For me, though, the show was definitely realistic in how it portrayed human interactions, realistic in the way that it was utterly believable, and utterly human, and “if I knew people like that in real life, I’d totally believe they’d act like that.” I bought everything that happened — no one did anything gratuitous or stupid to further a plot point (as it so happens in many soap operas), and so many of Fumi’s foibles — not being able to speak up, falling in love easily, depending on and needing human connection — are things I can relate with in my gut. Also I feel like the Sugimoto/Fumi courtship was pretty realistic, remembering what went on in my (all girls, Catholic) high-school, so maybe whether or not something feels realistic is whether or not you can conceive of it happening. Aoi Hana for me is entirely conceivable.

  6. kaei says:

    Actually, I think the jury’s still out on where Kyouko falls on the Kinsey scale — there’s been no evidence to suggest that she’s sexually or romantically interested in Kou or any males at all (but there’s no evidence to say she’s not.) At this current point in the story I actually consider both Kyouko and Fumi to be “lesbian.” If only the story would just conveniently pair them together, huh.

    @omo: I don’t know if the relationships in this show were “realistic” in the sense that you can find such relationships — fiances like Kyouko and Kou, childhood friends rekindling a long-forgotten relationship, 2 younger sisters falling in love with an older sister’s boyfriend — in many places in real life (I personally don’t know anyone like that). For me, though, the show was definitely realistic in how it portrayed human interactions, realistic in the way that it was utterly believable, and utterly human, and “if I knew people like that in real life, I’d totally believe they’d act like that.” I bought everything that happened — no one did anything gratuitous or stupid to further a plot point (as it so happens in many soap operas), and so many of Fumi’s foibles — not being able to speak up, falling in love easily, depending on and needing human connection — are things I can relate with in my gut. Also I feel like the Sugimoto/Fumi courtship was pretty realistic, remembering what went on in my (all girls, Catholic) high-school, so maybe whether or not something feels realistic is whether or not you can conceive of it happening. Aoi Hana for me is entirely conceivable.

  7. supertauren says:

    the only problem with this series is how every single school girl besides i guess ai were gushing over yasuko. it made it feel as if both those schools were full of lesbians which was a bit awkward. not that there’s anything wrong with lesbians, but having two schools only have lesbians is a bit much. besides that though everything else was pretty good. you’re right about how most of this series wasn’t really cliche.

    i wish they had more closure between fumi and her ex but that’s just me, it was still nicely done.

  8. specracer says:

    I most comment on the high quality of the both the character designs and the backgrounds, but more so the backgrounds. If you have read the manga then you know what I mean. In the manga the vast majority of the scenes have a completely blank backgrounds with the characters talking. When this came out I was really surprised at how amazing the background art was. The characters in the manga are almost as vague as the background sometimes making it hard to pick out different characters. But this anime had none of those problems. I completely agree with your score.

  9. windy says:

    As a yuri anime, personally, I prefer , by far,” Maria-sama ga miteru”, never could have finished ” Aoi hana”, even considering its short length, and the chrter – design, even if it sticks perfectly well to the original manga ( which I disliked), I don’t like it even one bit, and the storyline wasn’t really out of ordinary or entertaing for me, it often got on my nerves, but well, maybe I should finish it till the end.

  10. Denizen says:

    I’m glad this show was done well, it bodes well for a theoretical Hourou Musuko anime in the future, which I would love to see.

  11. Reltair says:

    Aoi Hana is an excellent series with its realistic portrayal of relationships. I still need to finish it sometime. Not feeling like watching it at the moment because yuri just simply doesn’t interest me.

  12. yurikitty says:

    As someone who hasn’t watched an anime in almost 30 years (wow, did I just feel ancient there!) and was only recently introduced to yuri, I must say that this was one of my favorite shows ever. The subtle, realistic way in which they portrayed Fumi’s development in dealing with and coming to terms with her sexuality was beautiful and as close to real life as I have ever seen — and I should know. The last 6 minutes of the series had me in tears, especially with that gorgeous background music driving the action; it brought back memories of a past love in a way I thought I would never see portrayed so well in a yuri format. After being introduced to yuri through the likes of Strawbery Panic and Steel Angel Kirumi 2 (I mean, really?), I was about ready to abandon the genre as prurient fanboy drivel. This series saved it for me. If this is the future of yuri, I am looking very forward to my renewed relationship with anime. I even found the words to both the opening and ending songs in the show and learned them by heart even though I don’t speak a word of Japanese. Does that make me otaku? ;-)

  13. windy says:

    I just watched it through to the end, and after a second thought, I rather liked it. I liked the review you made of this series psgels, that’s what made me really watch it. The realism of this series definitely stands out just as much as the music does( I think the background music and the opening are the 2 things I preferred here. And the final ep leaves a pleasant athmosphere to us. I still don’t think this is the best of its genre but it’s definitely worth watching!

  14. AlexS says:

    “I wasn’t exactly the biggest fan of romance”

    I noticed that you have not yet reviewed Koi Kaze, which remains for me an all time favorite of romance anime (specially considering it’s only a dozen episodes).

  15. Perrin4869 says:

    Yes, this was a very nice anime, all the episodes were entertaining, I loved the characters, and the art, from the backgrounds all the way to the character design was really good.

    My favorite romance I think would be Hanbun no Tsuki ga Noboru Sora, though I watched it when I was 17, so I’m not sure what my opinion about it would be if I watched it now…

  16. dickens says:

    It was an okay series. I can’t say I noticed much subtlety, and personally I found the series a bit melodramatic in the typical high school romance conflict kind of way. I didn’t find the characters very compelling either. The relationships don’t feel particularly meaningful, but I’m guessing that this is just the beginning of a longer story where more developments occur. It was well animated and better than an average series, but nowhere near the level (IMO) of J.C.Staff’s best work, “Honey and Clover”.

  17. aldrich says:

    I think Aoi Hana is got to be the first to break the “built-in-story” of every yuri anime. You know what, you’re right about one thing, the story didn’t revolve around Fumi and Akira, but you were wrong about one thing. At the ending, Fumi realizes that her first love is Akira, right? If that is so, who do u think is Fumi’s next “target”? That’s right. What I’m trying to say, is that the lead characters ended up with each other… its just that the series was “cut”/”finished” in ep 11. I demand for an Aoi Hana 2! lol.

  18. yuri-boy says:

    The animation and plot is almost realistic. Thumbs up. Sweet Blue Flowers is a very interesting yuri anime for me. It made me wonder why no lesbian couple ended up together. Yasuko could have ended up with Youko, or even with Fumi, but what happened was, Yasuko moved away, Youko ends up spending Christmas eve with Kou, and Fumi, possibly falling in love with some other girl better than Yasuko. Until this idea came to me.
    WHAT IF, we thought in the first place that the plot of Aoi Hana is different from that of the other Yuri animes and… WE were wrong?
    As a yuri anime lover, I have seen patterns from all the yuri anime’s I’ve watched. And judging by the intro of the anime when I first watched it, I predicted that the two childhood friends would eventually fall in love with each other and live happily ever after just like most of us would expect… But no. Instead, the story revolved around a main character and a side-character. It was shocking actually and made me think it’s unique, yes… unique at first. Until I finished the series.
    Ever wonder why Yasuko and Fumi didn’t end up together? I think it’s because Yasuko and Fumi’s relationship is a cover… A cover for Akira and Fumi getting closer and eventually falling in love with each other. It was somehow a story that would make Fumi end up with her first love, A-chan… That Fumi’s experience and lesbian relationship with Yasuko was something that would make her REALIZE who she really loves.
    SO, basically, for me, the main characters ended up together. It’s just like all the other yuri animes and just like how it should be. It’s just that the anime had a different approach, and used a side character. It’s a different approach, but the same happy ending. Fumi-chan realizes her love for A-chan. Akira’s mind is too simple(she said it herself.) but once she matures, she would realize why she was always there for Fumi. =)
    Overall, I think the plot is great and I totally agree with your rating. AND…
    Aoi Hana have taught us something… Something that we must keep in mind.
    “Sometimes, the person you truly love… Is the person who stood by you and held your hand your whole life.”

  19. tsotha says:

    It was well animated and better than an average series, but nowhere near the level (IMO) of J.C.Staff’s best work, “Honey and Clover”.

    Am I the only one who didn’t like Honey and Clover? I couldn’t even sustain enough interest to finish it, something that’s very rare for me. Aoi Hana seemed much better.

  20. Firechick says:

    I’m glad I watched Aoi Hana. This is the very first shojo-ai/yuri (but more shojo-ai than yuri) I ever watched, and I was so surprised with how GREAT this show turned out! Definitely in my top 10 anime of 2009! I loved how subtle and beautiful this anime was! I might shamelessly recommend this to friends if I have to!

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Oh and the music was pretty good too I guess. Another episode is airing in March.
Anonymous3324478
Masa also recovered from his car accident from a few episodes ago. It was totally unneeded in my opinion.
Anonymous3324478
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Animosh
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Animosh
My only worry is if the series will be able to get to its logical stopping point (the end of the Claw arc) in 12 episodes. But I suppose I should trust Bones over my vague memories of how much content there is left to cover.
Animosh
Yeah, I agree a split cour could be good. It would allow the series to maintain its high levels of animation, and given how stacked next season looks to be (anime aside, there's also American Gods and the Game of Thrones madness to keep up with), and with another ONE show airing, a break wouldn't be so bad.
SuperMario
Split cour of Mob Psycho would be awesome. I don't want to watch 2 ONE's adaptation in one season
Lenlo
Not for bloggin
Lenlo
While I love Mob, I am a bit happy its only 1 cour. I couldnt do 3 2 cour series
Animosh
Assuming we do get 12 episodes, a split cour would still make sense ... but I guess we'll just have to wait for the official confirmations
Animosh
As far as I can tell the only source is some guy in Twitter, so not sure how reliable it is
Vonter
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Devilman Lady is what comes to mind on how to do this type of show better. That one had also a special agency for supernatural incidents, has a simple but compelling main character, uses it's time to build atmosphere and mood and even the action while a bit stilted had better monster design and the violence it's graphic but entertaining like Robocop.
Vonter
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Ok I will check. I'm also curious where it goes in terms of tone. Because it's all over the place.
Vonter
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Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Keep me posted of magical girl spec ops in case it does turn into the kind of guilty pleasure shlock it should.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Is this vonter? If you register an account you can keep the name.
Anonymous3321080
But I think what gets me the most its how it beats the dead horse of the 80s action hero arc. Van Damme, Arnold and Stallone had more or less these type of lines. Its kind of funny this anime pretends these aren't tropes we don't use anymore because of how corny they come off. It'll definitely work better as an abridged series since it can be very boring when it tries to add the school life moment
Anonymous3321080
Also Mahou Spec Ops... Is interestingly bad. It tries to be exploitative and shocking but feels very sloppy, kinda like that meme of *slow heavy metal music plays* It also wants to play it like a dark shoujo anime, but the cute monsters are just distracting.
Anonymous3321080
Reading your conversations about idols, despite being mediocre Gokudolls and Ore Mahou Shoujo made jabs at that culture. At least painting some aspects that may be true of how exploitative it is. I suppose because those are subpar, over the top and cheap is what they can do that. Can't remember one aside from Perfect Blue which criticizes that industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But only if there was more anime noirs.
Amagi
Reminds me of that stalin vs hitler comic. Think it was russian. They're attacking each other with magical super powers there. And yeah, I love noir now that you mention it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: That'd make for a great noir story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Imagine Stalin and Hitler trolling each other on twitter.
Amagi
It's easy to construct superiority when you never have to show your private face and never participate in mundane chat talks or so.
Amagi
I bet a lot of people who had some aura of authority back then due to only ever appearing in books or for very rare (scripted) speeches would probably laughing stocks now if we'd see them commenting on daily stuff and news on twitter or reddit.
Amagi
I personally have given up upon having heroes. I still find a lot of historical people interesting but let's be real the few of them that weren't blatanly bad in some way were different then we imagine them to be (even if they're good). Just look how different people feel now that you see them tweeting on twitter VS policians etc decades ago.
Amagi
I like the idea of a main character longing for a dead friend and role model he had and still idolizes. Then at some point he starts reconstructing his friend's past to cherish his memories about him even more but finds out that the friends wasn't the hero he believed him to be and maybe even the own memories of him were idealized a lot over the years after his death without him even noticing.
Amagi
Yeah we are always searching for some sort of über-ich or perfect being that symbolizes the goal of some personality growth we're trying to achieve.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or the reason why some people need to have so many things or idols they probably don't need.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think there is a genetic/mental inadequacy in humanity that makes us susceptible to following "higher people who we forget are actually human" because of our own desire for an avatar or general inadequacy as human beings.
Amagi
Yeah this. It's probably also why they defend them so eagerly. Because it's actually true that "their" version of that person would never do that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: And that probably creates a much stronger blow to them when the actor is found guilty of a crime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Very good response.
Amagi
It's kinda weird how almost everything we know about others is actually just interpretation to some degree.
Amagi
The weird thing is that I think that many fans of acrots/celebrities rather create their own versions of them they fall in love with rather than loving the actual person, whom they barely even know. It's fun because the concept of a waifu sounds extremely weird to normal people, but many normal people kinda do this too but with real persons (but imaginary personality).
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think thats where it starts getting obsessive or where it gets too close to the next level, such as what the anon mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also can't bring myself to get too attached to a celebrity or to a character. I do look at hentai doujins yes but, I've probably had thoughts about certain actors or what not, but I never actually want to sleep with them, again I think that's taking fantasy too far.
Amagi
I never know if these are serious celebrations or rather some fun memes they do to post, I always assumed the latter. Kinda.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think the fans celebrating the idol's birthday thing is taking it to far too, especially if its an anime character.
Amagi
Yeah I was never an idol fan either, and I don't just mean the idol genre in anime but anything similar to idol stuff in general, like being a fanboy/girl of some celebrity or something. Was never able to get into that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its all too superficial.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Don't like the ideas it gives teenage girls either .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Certain topics just set me off =<
Amagi
The third episode of Wake Up girls was pretty good in that regard. I think it was the third one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But yes, thats a pretty bad story what happened to the woman you mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Might be a good idea to catch some documentaries on that topic .
Kaiser-Eoghan
But that was just a sentence from some guy on a podcast though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now though I didn't see it, I do recall someone saying some of that Wake up girls idol anime slightly brought up seedier parts of the industry if not much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The hallow shallowness of the idol industry I mean.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also dislike the shallowness of it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love how Perfect blue takes influences from those gialli/giallo style films from the 60s/70s to an extent, while also spitting on the industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But you know what sucks? A part of me, both in regards to those women (and probably some of the male idols) whether it be in reality or animation, I can't actually deny finding some of these men/women actually physically attractive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Music industry has its seediness just about everywhere and of course victim blaming going to appear everywhere, not just Japan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*commodification-consumerist
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I hate capitalism, I hate the idol communication-commercialist industry and the willing self-aware slaves and their masters who perpetuate it, the music is largely awful aswell. I don't watch most of the idol anime, I think the idea of 30 something men throwing cash it is awful.
Anonymous3319279
Wonder if there will be some modern equivalent of Perfect Blue? That was a scathing critique of the idol industry back in the late 90s. Although given how shows that are flat out glorifying the industry are the best-selling shows on BD every year, I doubt it.
Anonymous3319279
In short, she was assaulted by two men at her home who were then arrested. Then she was pressured by her managers into claiming that she was to blame for this, not the men and apologizing to an audience.
Anonymous3319279
Hearing about what happened to some idol named Mahohon seriously makes me wonder if idol culture in Japan seriously needs an overhaul and if media needs to stop glorifying the industry so much.
Anonymous3319260
Ok. No pressure, just asking.
AidanAK47
@Anon, we are working on it. It's nearing completion and should be posted soon.
Anonymous3318799
I don't know if I missed it. But have you put the overview of 2018? Of best show, best character, etc. Did 2018 had a good anime villain?
Masky
Anyhoo, surprisingly Lovecraft's books have some really faithful manga adaptions
Masky
A story set in world post "Cthulhu"(or whatever is setting equivalent) awakening and transcending humans into "savage" inhuman world that he is supposed to bring forth
Masky
Ya know, speaking of lovecraft here is what I really want to see:
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well I guess Die Farbe and whisperer in the darkness count and the cthulu one, the latter two were done by the Lovecraft society.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The closest we got with an actual adaptation was Dreams of the witchhouse , but they left out Nyarlathotep.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Those films were fun, but none of them dated well either.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have to seperate my knowledge of the books from Stuart Gordon and Brian yuznas films that borrow elements and titles from Lovecrafts works, once I accept their takes on him are just body horror a black comedies I can kind of accept it more.
Lenlo
I think Junji Ito's manga works have come the closest to Lovecrafts brand of horror, and we all saw how that adaptation went.
Lenlo
Yeah, Lovecraft is a hard one. Even his own books are hit or miss, because it is a very fine line for his brand of psychological horror. Would make for an interesting and unique anime if done well though
Kaiser-Eoghan
A lovecraft themed world would find some difficulty in getting the atmosphere right as he has proved difficult to adapt.
Lenlo
Ah. Yeah, a non-traditional setting like that would be good. I think Isekai, to really change it up, should start going for non-traditional settings. Sci-Fi, Lovecraft, etc. I think this was mentioned before yeah?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I believe the anon was saying it in relation to making a good setting for an isekai show.
Lenlo
Its why I standby Sakaki in this that, even if he was a dick about it, he is right to be angry at how it all placed out. Just not at Kurahara.

Also @Anon, I loved Bloodborne! No idea what the convo is about, but saw it mentioned
Lenlo
They should Kaiser, I agree. Just look at American college football right now. ITs coming out all over the place, and people wonder why teams dont speak out against it. Its because they are kids, they think "This is how its SUPPOSED to be. Only the best make it. Its not the coaches fault, he makes us win". etc etc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is a spinoff anthology for bloom into you's manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or other big issues relating to sports such as performance enhancing drugs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lenlo, a thought popped into my head there, more sports shows should focus on abuse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think flipflappers is one of my favourites in years, but it was definately at its best when it wasn't really about wrapping up its story.
Amagi
Space Dandy and Kaiba had this to some degree too. Liked both series.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Kinda sad that the latter half of Flip Flappers was rather weak because it started with this different worlds idea.
Amagi
I think Matsumoto stuff might actually be the very first anime I have seen in my life, not regularly though and usually when I was in Italy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The noir world could be in black and white.
Kaiser-Eoghan
How about another world that has different sections that follow different genres?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Helped greatly by his use of artistic cinematography and use of dramatic stills.
Anonymous3316528
Old anime has very bitter stories. Despite the old drawings, several had harsh live lessons. Osamu Dezaki had such a talent to direct drama.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I need to actually watch that Leiji Matsumoto stuff some day.
Anonymous3316528
Also Galaxy Express 99 I think also treated that topic.
Anonymous3316528
@Kaiser-Eoghan Wasn't that Gate?
Anonymous3316528
Just like how Gundam made one for the Vietnam War.
Kaiser-Eoghan
A proper story dealing with isekai and immigration crisis.
Anonymous3316528
I mean they could make an allegory of the Berlin Wall.
Anonymous3316528
So Papers Please the anime?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think a romance themed isekai involving borders and beraucracy getting in the way could work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked those czech Jules verne animations.
Anonymous3316528
I suppose the work for creating assets for new settings it's why they don't do it. Most Isekai seem like they can take a tree, or a house from previous works and just change them a little.
Anonymous3316528
On second thought, that was technically the Anastasia animated movie.
Anonymous3316528
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Yeah. Just take the roadmap Bloodborne put out. It's even the perfect setting for an antihero archetype, considering these settings are about the hunt, surviving and superstition. I'll also like the Russia setting, harsh weather, espionage, travelling through train, boat and land like Jules Verne's Ivan Strogoff
Kaiser-Eoghan
That time I got reincarnated in the Soviet union.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd love to see an anime set in Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gothic horror or industrial if only for liking the genre. I still want my anime western.
Anonymous3316528
All in all as I always say. I want new settings, steampunk, western, egyptian, chinese, space, nuclear dystopian, castaway, underwater, skyworld, gothic horror. Or any other tired trope other than european medieval fantasy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, with the nostalgia of old games undertale went for, but without the maudlin di7alogue.
Anonymous3316528
Or something like Mad Max or the RPG series it inspired Metal Max. Maybe another one inspired by Phantasy Star.
Anonymous3316528
I got it! What if someone makes an Isekai on the vein of Earthbound or Undertale. I mean most are influenced by the standard fantasy JRPG. So why not take from the less typical ones?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just for the novelty of it, I would like to see an anime about a relationship between un-traditional/un-usual couples that we never see.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Maybe that'd be cheesy or something but they manage to form new friendship/families which allow them to put behind what they lost.
Amagi
I like semi-episodical series that have an episodical plot and a golden thread at the same time, the latter usually being more subtile or like a subplot and each episodical adventure gives the audience a few new hints or informations about the setting, characters or main plot.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wouldn't even mind a drama driven otherworld story about a depressed person trying to move on and the new world actually helping them move past that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So how about my don-quixhote anime Japan =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
But at the same time there's a bunch of serious stuff, but its not clashing with the lighthearted stuff badly.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite type of adventure story though are the ones where its more about the journey and hangout, sometimes the story appears here and there. And its usually centred around three goofballs with alot of chemistry.
Amagi
Sadly there never is any culture clash or culture shock either, speaking of the LN/game mechanic isekai here. The isekai people are just like the people of nowadays Japan but with swords and magic, basically. Maybe a few rituals at best.
Amagi
An isekai should be like King of Thorns despite KoT not being an actual isekai. But awakening in another world, not understanding anything, exploring, mysteries and slowly piecing things together that make the MC understand the logic of that new world a bit better while trying to integrate into the foreign culture.
Amagi
@Kaiser/Anon: I feel like that too. I love explore and isekai would be perfect for exploration and yet it's always about the MC finding his place as soon as he got teleported, he finds his crew, friends, house, power and so on.
Amagi
@Anon: You're right I watched a few scenes, the dub actually fits pretty well to Nanbaka. The series itselfs is too insane for me I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lack of journey, focuses too much on harem/romcom bits.
Amagi
I have yet to watch Voltron. The animation looks somewhat weird to me but everything else I heard about it so far sounds pretty good.
Lenlo
I welcome the essays Kaiser! Sakaki is a much more complex character than I expected, and Animosh is right that it doesnt justify his actions. I didnt mean to imply that. I do think however that Sakaki is not wrong to be angry. He is just directing it at the wrong person.
Anonymous3316315
@Kaiser-Eoghan - In what sense? In that it isn't a journey? A quest? A series of trials? The hunt of ancient treasure? Or whatever dimension hoping happens in Milk Closet?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Well said about Sakaki's character and I agree with you on it. Saves me writing an essay response now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Tangent, but I want to say something, one of the most annoying things about LNs is when they do the isekai thing, the other world almost never feels like an adventure.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I honestly wouldn't complain if it was full blown yuri or shoujo-ai.
Anonymous3316315
@Kaiser-Eoghan - A lot of series have hard ship baiting. Voltron, She Ra, Seraph of the End, Korra (which at the last second they did it). I know sometimes is a stretch like Frodo and Sam in LotR or Venom and Eddie. But other times it's that relationship in everything but name.
Kaiser-Eoghan
People seem to play up the shoujo-ai thing in Euphonium.
Anonymous3316315
@Amagi - Nanbaka has a good English dub. They knew the delivery had to be as hammy as possible.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm looking forward to those Gundam NT films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I didn't finish violet evergarden nor did I watch tsurune. In the priors case, that was something I would have seen myself liking maybe 10 years ago.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I liked Koe no kitachi aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
We can call it Racing Lads.
Amagi
Okay thanks. I can deal with slow pacing as long as there is an atmosphere or good character story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Free and kaze cross over WHEN!
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked how scaled back it was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I think you were asking about the new kyoani movie earlier? I can't remember if I posted about it on here what I thought, but I actually liked it more than the main Euphonium series, it stood out in its adherence to using body language, silence and movements moreso than dialogue while giving me a coming of age movie I had been asking for. Though some won't like the glacial pacing
Amagi
KazeGa is pretty damn good. It kinda feels like it actually is what Kyoani is always trying to do when they produce sport series with a male cast that are half comedy half drama. But while I often like some aspects of Kyoani shows (like the setting and themes of VEG), I never like the execution, save from the looks of course that are awesome but don't help making the content any better.
Amagi
*above
Amagi
@SuperMario: IIRC mosts Steven Universe VAs are actual singers so they should be a level about typical VAs anyway. Not sure who's voice acting for RWBY.
Amagi
But since I watch everything seasonally subs are faster and I usually don't rewatch series, otherwise a rewatch could be a good reason to watch the dubs for the second time.
Amagi
At least eng dubs got way better in general over the yers. Probably because anime is more mainstream now. Maybe I would like many of them more if I started with the dub.
SuperMario
Maybe it’s a translation issue, by that I mean usually some nuance from the native language is lost in translation. That issue can be alright if it subs, but when saying it out loud it becomes unnatural?
Amagi
Japanese VAs also talk a lot about their characters and give interviews about them, including their own interpretations or head canon stuff. Not sure if western VAs of Japanese shows do that too.
Amagi
Instead when it's a foreign show there is nothing to do but to memorize the finished lines and everything is already set in stone, so you are 100% passive and can't really view it as your or your team's work.
Amagi
I often heard that western VAs thought up some ideas that were integrated into the script. Not sure if that's the case for most cartoons of if these were exceptions, but it could be a hint that VAs are way more involved into a show and the development of their characters when it is a native show, it's kinda logical.
Amagi
Yeah, native stuff is usually better.
SuperMario
Then again, I enjoy the English VA of western cartoon like RWBY or Steven Universe so I guess it’s just a matter of original intended language for me
SuperMario
Well, I’m not a fan of dubbing either. Not that much of a dub-hater but I remember watching Monster and Cowboy Bebop in english dub before I had to switch back to Japanese voice midway through
Amagi
Still living ones I mean. But as said actual movies are usually well dubbed, so I guess it depends on how much money something generates.
Amagi
I knew a bunch of old ones but they're all dead by now. Know maybe three or so with name and face (and often don't even recognize them in movies) and another 6-10 by name only.
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