Posted by psgels on 21 September 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews



Here’s another Clamp-adaptation, the anime with one of the least descriptive titles in existence: X. It tells the story of a bunch of people who have been destined to fight over whether or not the earth is going to be destroyed. And I must say, it hits the mark surprisingly often. Recommended for anyone who likes a good character-study.

There are very few series that can claim that they only get better and better as they go on, but X sure as hell does come close to this. It starts out a bit mundane, but for nearly every successive episode as you get an idea of the plot, and the different characters show their backgrounds and stories, it just gets more intriguing with episode. Especially in the second half, where all hell breaks loose, this series just continues to keep the balls in the air.

What impressed me the most about this series was the maturity of the cast of villains. These guys are miles away from your stereotypical evil overlords, and despite the fact that they’re trying to destroy the world, they’re all surprisingly calm and down to earth which is very refreshing to be honest. The protagonists also receive plenty of attention, which allows each of them to grow beyond stereotypes, and actually develop a bit. A major theme in this series is loneliness, and I really liked how each of them chose to deal with their feelings in a different way.

With all that however, it’s a shame that the least interesting character in this series is the main one: Kamui. With such a colourful cast of side-characters, he fails to stand out and is yet another one of those angsty teenagers with huge powers with the task to save the world. He does develop throughout the series, but it’s all just too predictable and shallow. It’s because of him that the finale of this series turns out to be really cheesy. A pitiful exception to how everything in this series just gets better and better.

Overall, X is a bit too angsty for my tastes. Too often, we see characters stare pointlessly into nothingness instead of actually doing something, and the lackluster lead character and ending prevent it from really standing out, but aside from that there’s a lot to like in this series. It’s an interesting effect you get when half of the series’ plot twists have already been prophesized (especially if you watched the special episode 00, which is basically a very cryptic recap of the series). With a strong soundtrack and very solid animation by Madhouse, I definitely don’t regret watching this.

Storytelling: 9/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 8/10
Setting: 8/10

19 Responses

  1. Brett says:

    I watched the movie, and since it was so short the plot and characters seemed rushed. It didn’t help that I was lost through the entire movie. I guess it would have helped to have seen the series first.

    Regardless, good review. It was so expensive to buy this a few years back, if I ever see it down in price I will definitely pick it up.

  2. Pax says:

    definitely agree that it’s a bit too angsty at times,but overall it was definitely worth the time even f i did not like the ending but considering how the manga was not finished i kinda expected the ending to be quite bad.

    now that Tsubasa Chronicles is suppose to end,i do hope that we will get to see the end of this manga .

  3. Etrangere says:

    Hehe, I’m a pretty big fan of CLAMP in general, and the X & Tokyo Babylon continuity in particular. The TV series is a decent adaptation, with an especially brilliant soundtrack, although I still like the manga better, and it’s also much better to read Tokyo Babylon before. Of course it is pretty much all about the angst, eros/thanatos and gore but I dig those XDDD. I agree that Kamui is one of the weaker character.

  4. juu says:

    I read the manga first(and loved it) But afterwards I really couldn’t stand the anime^^°
    but that’s how it usually goes with me and manga adaptions^^°
    I totally agree on the “villains” in this one. They were really interesting characters.
    So I’m glad you liked the story.
    I only wish the manga had an ending now…

  5. Keith says:

    Oh man, I have been waiting for this review ever since I started reading your blog 2 years ago. This was the first anime that truly got me into anime, so I consider it my favorite just because of the impact it had on me. I remember I bought it on a whim and marathoned the first 12 episodes because that’s all that had been released so far (didn’t know about torrenting yet). So when it ended on that cliffhanger on 12, what was a mediocre show suddenly became shocking and intense, and not many shows have been able to live up to that “turning point”.

    I agree with the above comments that the manga is better. It definitely is. I takes the theme of the tv show and then pumps it up a notch. And as much as I enjoy (somewhat) Tsubasa and xxxholic, if CLAMP doesn’t finish the manga when they’re both done I am going to be a sad sad boy.

  6. Keith says:

    Oh, psgels, Why didn’t you like the ending? Because considering the way the show’s built it can only really end a couple other ways.

  7. psgels psgels says:

    Keith: I haven’t read the manga, so I don’t know how they handled it there (if it actually handled it at all), but like you said, it was the only way for the show to end properly, but it also came as a deus ex machina, it was badly explained and way too hasty. I could hardly take it seriously. It would have been a nice ending if the creators would have gotten an extra episode to give it a bit more time.

  8. Anca says:

    This, along with Escaflowne, are the two series that seriously got me into anime; unlike Escaflowne (which does still rank as number one for me), I’m still a big fan of X. It’s one of the shows that the more you think about it, the deeper it gets.

    For example, did you notice the parallels in the cast? Kamui and Fuuma and Subaru and Seishiro are very obvious, but you also have the other characters that are ‘ranked’ the same – take Karen and Yuuto, fire and water; but are the most sexual characters of the cast. Or Satsuki and Yuzuriha, the character who is least concerned about humans and the character who is most.

    Of course, the manga is better (like in pretty much everything else); it diverges near the end and Subaru receives a bigger role, taking Seishiro’s place, in the sense that they used him to characterise Dark Kamui instead of Seishirou (and in the manga they’ve been hinting that Fuuma hasn’t lost all of his personality).

    Kamui is what Subaru was at the end of Tokyo Babylon, but CLAMP left it unfinished exactly when I believe he was going to snap out of it.

    CLAMP said the major theme was individuality over group think in a setting where the later would have been a more natural message. The villains are all people who don’t care whether they live or die.

    – I’m rambling, but X has this effect on me >_>;;

    Thanks for the review.

  9. Etrangere says:

    The villains are all people who don’t care whether they live or die.
    I think this, to me, is the principal theme of X. The struggle between the parts of ourselves that want to die, and the parts of ourselves that want to live on. At the core it’s a story about how we want to live because we have ties to other people (stop me before i start quoting BtVS), so that’s why the Kekkai only exist as long as the Shi no Ryu have a special person they care about. That’s also why it’s wrong to kill people, because that makes the people who care for them sad. Kamui has both asect of this in himself from the beginning. A big part of him doesn’t care if he lives or dies, if the worlds end or not… and a part of him does want to fight on and keeps the world alive for the people he cares for. When he makes his choice, it’s Fuuma who ends up embodying his death wish (and his masochistic wishes, which is why he tortures him as much ^^)
    But in X, way too many people think it’s worth dying in order to save, help or protect the people they love. Which, well, ends up being pretty silly and self destructive as well. The manga having no end, we’ll never know how far it goes with that :(
    but the anime ending is pretty good with what they have, even if I wish there were other subtleties they’d had kept.

  10. Anca says:

    Etrangere:

    Yes, it’s very possible that Kamui’s true wish is ‘to live’ – it /would/ be something only D. Kamui could fulfill (who else would kill him?). It’d make for a nice, entirely non-homoerotic ending scene too.

    The only problem with what I said earlier is Subaru – he had the mother of all death wishes of the cast. It only starts making sense if you look at his TB personality, but even then: back then he hadn’t ‘awakened’ as a Seal. The only reason he didn’t commit suicide at Seishiro’s hand (because we know that was his intention ever since Hokuto died) was because Seishiro had one up on him with his own death wish: he knew what Hokuto did.

    But even if he knew about the spell, I honestly doubt he’d have had it in him to stab Seishiro – it’s *Subaru* we’re talking about, probably the kindest member of the cast, along with Yuzuriha. (Even Seishiro, who knew him best, fully expected to be hated, fully expected him to wish to kill him).

    After Rainbow Bridge, he’s a walking corpse; in the manga he gets some measure of closure with a nice heart to heart with Dark Kamui, after which he will probably proceed to become Sakurazuka Subaru, as per the succession ritual and his loved one’s wish (I can’t remember that clearly what happened at this point, after their conversation) – and at this point he stopped being a Seal. In the anime he disappears, and I honestly thought back when I first watched it that he jumped off a bridge.

    Still, he didn’t fit the Seal mold even before he changed sides; unless ‘wanting to live to be killed by THAT person’ qualifies as ‘wanting to live’, in which case Seishiro would not qualify as an Angel.

  11. Keith says:

    Yeah, the subtleties in the manga were what brings it a step above the anime. The anime was good and all, but it really only kept the most obvious message, which was that our ties to others is what makes up want to live on.

    They had to leave the deeper parts of the manga out because it would have actually made the ending of the anime betray those themes. The biggest message of the manga is that self-sacrifice is a terrible thing to do, because it only hurts the ones who care about you. There’s no way to make everyone happy, but sacrificing yourself really doesn’t help it.

    psgels, the manga has been on hiatus for over 6 years now, and it ended at the biggest cliffhanger in the story yet, so it has been the most torturous hiatus in anime history, especially considering how popular the manga is in Japan. Apparently, in 2003 there was a devastating earthquake in japan and since the end of the world is depicted by earthquakes, CLAMP was given the choice of toning the manga down or putting it on a hold. They chose the latter (thankfully).

    The biggest difference between the anime and the manga though is that, as said previously, Fuma is not actually a cold-blooded killer with a new personality. He is actually the same Fuma as always, but has to cope with his newly assigned role. He’s probably my favorite antagonist of all time because of this internal conflict he has.

  12. Anca says:

    Fuma is not actually a cold-blooded killer with a new personality.

    This was revealed after the anime was produced (I think); for the most part, we assumed that Fuuma’s personality had been rewritten by SADAME in the manga too. Dark Kamui mode Fuuma acted a lot more gay and sadistic than normal Fuuma before the Choice too. How Fuuma if he still has a conscience could be such a fucking ass if still one of the biggest unresolved mysteries yet (for me).

  13. Keith says:

    Anca, my theory in this is that when the choice was made, Fuuma was probably overwhelmed by his awakening. Also, “event” that happened once Kamui made his choice was fated to happen.

    Another thing to point out is the fact that Fuuma is compelled to grant people’s wishes. Even if he doesn’t like it, he has to fulfill someone’s true desire, and if they desire is death then he doesn’t have a choice. He can still have a conscious because he is still the same Fuuma, but just because he is still the same doesn’t mean he can control his own actions. It’s the same way for a lot of the characters, the dreamseers especially. Like Fuuma, they can only sit back while other forces decide what will and will not happen.

  14. Etrangere says:

    Anca,

    Yes, it’s very possible that Kamui’s true wish is ‘to live’
    I’ve no idea what Kamui’s true wish is. It might just as well be to die. I was just pointing out that his personnality is pretty much split by the two wishes, and that’s also why he becomes Kamui and D!Kamui. I see Dark Kamui as the embodiment of Kamui’s darkest wishes.

    It’d make for a nice, entirely non-homoerotic ending scene too.
    *snort*
    Yeah, but a bit redundant after Seishirou and Subaru.

    The only problem with what I said earlier is Subaru – he had the mother of all death wishes of the cast.
    Oh yes.
    From the beginning Subaru is the one who shows the most extreme tendancies of the Seals – he cares a whole lot for the world, but little to nothing for himself. Even before Seishirou messed him up the boy had zero sense of self preservation.. but he really, really cared about others.
    Subaru’s whole journey was about learning selfishness, as Seishirou’s whole journey was to learn to care for someone else – except they are very warped journeys. Remember how Hokuto wanted Subaru to care for someone, for his own sake? Something that he wouldn’t give up on, like he did his dream of zoo keeper. Well that was Seishirou. The one person Subaru really wanted, for himself, in the world. However due to how messed up their relationship was, it ended up being warped in Subaru’s deathwish (and Seishirou’s! lol) but at the beginning of X, Seishirou is the one person Subaru cares for, the reason he can produce a Kekkai. Even though he wants Seishirou to kill him… well he wants Seishirou to kill him, not anyone else would do. No suicide thus. When Seishirou dies, Subaru’s Kekkai disappears…. he no longuers has any stakes in keeping the world going on, and in the manga, Subaru becomes a Ten no Ryu as a result.

    it’s *Subaru* we’re talking about, probably the kindest member of the cast, along with Yuzuriha.
    Agreeing with you. Also Yuzuriha is clearly the only Seal who i able to face D!Kamui and survives because she really, really wants to live and to keep on protecting the world. No ‘but’, not ‘i want to die to protect this person’. No death wishes. She’s one of the strongest Seal.
    In the anime he disappears, and I honestly thought back when I first watched it that he jumped off a bridge.
    In the anime, Subaru actually reappear right at the end, to save Kamui’s life. I think he even produces a Kekkai to do so. Silly Kamui/Subaru shipper anime XD

    Still, he didn’t fit the Seal mold even before he changed sides; unless ‘wanting to live to be killed by THAT person’ qualifies as ‘wanting to live’, in which case Seishiro would not qualify as an Angel.
    lol, yeah; Seishirou is a shit Angel. Because he ends up caring for Subaru, in his own carped manner.

  15. Ebod says:

    Hmm, I’m really curious to how well the Subaru and Seishirou relationship is conveyed through just anime alone *has watched the anime and read the manga*.

    Oh right, psgels, are you going to watch the Tokyo Babylon OVAs in the future as well?

  16. Reltair says:

    I remember watching X TV way back in the day. Definitely a memorable series with the deep character development and progression to epicness. If you haven’t seen it already, go do so now!

  17. Marla-the-turist says:

    Wow, it brings back memories.. X was among the first animes I have seen and it really impressed me and made me want to check other series as well… it still has very special place in my heart. You just made me want to rewatch it all again, so thanks I guess :)

  18. Shiro, Long Tail\'s says:

    If you didn’t like X (TV) ending you can always give the movie a try. It’s relatively the same but with a different ending. Much shorter too so you can say goodbye to character development or context.

  19. sam says:

    read the manga!!!!!!!!!! the anime is nothing but a pale imatation the other kamui the so called bad guy is so amazing and complex you will love the manga

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At least in comparisation
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Yeah, it's one of my pro-Netflix arguments as well. Another problem is that anime (not counting manga) only make money through dvd/bd sales since they air at night, whereas Netflix or daytime tv series don't depend on the latter so much and since anime BDs are so expensive the only ones who buy them are the more extreme fans.
AidanAK47
Might be in part due to the workaholic nature of their society that makes escapist fantasy and empty entertainment more appealing than usual. Ultimately these are the people anime is made for so opening up the markets gives more deserving shows a fighting chance.
Though that isn't to say that western taste is perfect either.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, That's part of the reason I think some westernation might be a good thing as from what I seen the Japanese have truly terrible taste in anime. Sales charts from Japan just make me shake my head.
Amagi
God, the preorder anime lists are atricious. The only one that seems to sell acceptable (around 6k) is Mahoyome. Series like Inuyashiki have 80 pre-orders so far, Shuumatsu Shoujo 977. Idol shows sell good of course, including that male/bishounen Idolmaster
AidanAK47
@Anon, I read it but kinda fell out due to it's releases being slow.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Actually if you check the manga recommendations section, you'll see there is a post about it here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yes, it was interesting to follow a story that dealt with a characters homosexuallity that was outside of the yaoi/yuri mould.
Anonymous1620968
Out of curiosity, has anyone on here read Shimanami Tasogare?
Niello
Where are we up to with Inuyashiki?
Lenlo
Well alright then. Episode 9 out of 11 and that happens. Was not expecting that
Lenlo
Ooo something happen this week? Im about to watch it
Kaiser-Eoghan
It feels just as rushed and awkward in the manga.
Amagi
I noticed this too
AidanAK47
Inuyashiki has balls of steel to pull that in this particular episode number.
Nielllo
Finally got around to reading Helck, and it looks like it's going to go into that pile of good-shounen-that-won't-ever-get-animated right alongside Psyren.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Imagine trying to buy the dvds of the show in public.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Gentle remind that the prism ilya movie is out and subbed.
AidanAK47
Still surprised the second and third seasons got dubbed.
AidanAK47
@Angel, I replied to one of your comments before but the rundown is no official word yet but maybe next year.
Angel
Or no? Someone please tell me!!
Angel
Going to happen?
Angel
Is fate/kaleid liner prisma☆illya 3rei dub
Amagi
I dislike it when manga bait me into reading due to the first chapter and end up being some very generic stuff afterwards. Nobody stays for B if he started something for A, authours should expect that.
Lenlo
Really, Juuni should stick with the 3D. That fight in ep 9 looked pretty good. 3D is clearly what they are good at
AidanAK47
@Niello, It's not Chatango. It's a plugin for wordpress called Wisechat.
SuperMario
@Niello: yeah, Juuni caught me off guard this week. The production of Juuni is unfortunately shaky, but well, strong writing can save the day
Niello
Btw is this chat still Chatango?
Niello
This week episode of Juini is surprisingly good compared to how the show usually is with its backstory. Although the part where Ox tries to explain to Tiger could definitely use some visual buff.
SuperWooper
in the future*
SuperWooper
Pretty cool that Juuni Taisen had that kind of emotional heft this week, though. Might be one of the 2017 shows I sample the in the future.
SuperWooper
I think the occasional comments with an episode title and nothing more come from people who mistake the shoutbox for a search bar.
SuperMario
@Anon1614688: juuni taisen... made me tearing up this week. Honestly didn't expect that. Damn you, Tiger
Anonymous1614688
juuni taisen
Amagi
Had some complaints regarding Children of Whales but the latest two episodes were pretty good.
Amagi
@Anon: You explained it better than me.
Anonymous1614307
Kaiser: I actually have the exact same opinion of Natsume and Mushishi. Both are excellent, but Natsume just does a great job with a small core cast and a very simple premise
Anonymous1614456
who likes naruto
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mushishi does have good stories, but it was always a manga I'd dip in and out of, on and off for years, never marathoning it, wheras Natsume was easier to read several chapters of in one go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its because Natsume has more pathos.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*more than
Natsume weirdly ended up becoming this comfort manga for me with a higher consistency rate .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will state that I hold the terrible opinion that I like Natsume Yujinchou than Mushishi but at the same time completely recognize that Mushishi is probably the more ambitious, better show.
Niello
So it becomes a cycle of "this is an interesting set up" (except that the new Kino isn't even good at that) and then they fucked up or Kino/Shizu fucked them up even more, then move on. Without the emphasis on philosophical nature of the set up they present like in the original Kino, there really isn't that much point to it.
Niello
With the new Kino it's more about messing people up, occassionally observing and hardly ever improving. The anwsers or solutions to the problem they present is never really talked about in a rational way.
SuperMario
@Anon1614318: maybe you should give the old Kino a try. What I don't like most about the new version of Kino is that both Kino and the new guy are sketched as hero. The old Kino manages the tone right as well. There were some really dark tales and most of them thought-provoking. Can't say the same for say...Country of Cooking
Anonymous1614318
I don't know, it might be interesting to actually dig deep into the differences between episodic series with this kind of style to see what works and what doesn't.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's a matter of the chapter they chose to adapt were not really the better ones but the ones where the protagonist is more of an active role. Not totally against that, but it feels like the protagonist is just OP all the time. At least with Mushishi Ginko isn't able to save everyone all the time.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's supposed to be more allegorical, but most of the time the allegory is not really meaningful enough. I thought it would be more along the lines of Mushishi, which is kind of similar in setup, but better in most other ways.
Anonymous1614318
What keeps me sticking around are some of the nice background arts and generally pleasant use of color, but admittedly most of the episodes aren't really engaging in a meaningful way. Most of the time its just Kino/Shizu show up, find out town's gimmick, then save the day. I prefer the episodes where the townspeople are more than just flat background characters.
Anonymous1614318
It's interesting to see how this new Kino season is being received from folks who've already watched the original. This is my first real exposure to Kino, and I kind of like it, but even without watching the original, I share many of the same complaints Aidan and most of the others have.
Amagi
I am also kinda sad he's just some 2* servant in fgo, but his power is special and he's physically weak, so it's understandable.
Amagi
And again, Shakespeare is just great but the character is, sadly, kinda wasted here considering how much screentime he has.
Amagi
@Aidan: Yes. Plus, maybe more characterization or background for some servants. The anime would have that time without Sieg and his romance sub plot.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, Those being remove Sieg and more Shakespeare?
Amagi
And man Apocrypha is pretty good but it would be twice as good if it had those two changes Aidan always mentions in the reviews..
Amagi
@Kaiser: I think the male in Kino was a mistake. Having two PoV sounds good, but he's basically just a male Kino, he even looks like her. Someone vastly different would have been way more interesting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd guarantee that sangatsu no lion would be high up, but FINALLY this weekend I'll be catching up.
Niello
@Kaiser, Ugh my phone gitched. What I meant to say was that background was unexpected. Now I see why you're enjoying CotW though.
Niello
@Kaiser, That's unexpected.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I enjoyed how outright surreal Arakawa was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: It bothers me that they're stuffing multiple tales into single episodes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, excel saga, I wonder what I would think of it now, its been years.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I actually respect Aidan's coverage of it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: Yes that edgy villain kid in COTWs was annoying though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I don't care much for the male character that leads some of the episodes in this new adaptation.
@Niello: Its a non-mainstream shoujo that isn't set in a school, moves at a quick enough pace and has some nice background art/chara design, I grew up on shoujo fantasy manga also so theres that.
Amagi
I mean there are parts I like. I enjoyed the first episode, and the part about the country of liars. But many other things annoy me and the last episode was the worst. I also feel like the edgy bomb loli and slapstick Kino don't fit to the rest of the show somehow. Maybe I forgot everything, but the "old" Kino felt like a better character to me somehow, this one is more faithful to the LNs though
Amagi
@Kaiser: I honestly gave up on Kino and I think it's only partly the fault of the new series. I am just so tired of how stupid most of the episodic-characters are unless their are friends of Kino, how everyone gets bent being irredeemable evil for plot's sake and how everything Kino and her friends do gets justified. Maybe I am just too old or boring for this fairy tail like moral bending.
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