Posted by psgels on 25 September 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Phantom



Okay, time for me to review my favourite anime of the past Spring and Summer Season: Phantom, or Requiem from the Phantom. It’s based on a visual novel by Nitroplus, and while it starts off as a Noir clone at first, it develops into something much more. It shows a story about a couple of assassins inside the modern American mafia.

It sets itself apart with an amazing cast of characters. Especially Ein and Zwei develop into a bunch of strong and sympathetic characters, but also most of the side-characters are memorable. They’re all incredibly well acted; the voice actors really managed to capture their characters, and there’s always a lot of subtlety in their actions and development.

This is all accompanied by a terrific execution. Dialogues between people often move slow, but a lot of things are said in-between the lines. The creators have a great sense of build-up, and know exactly how to deliver the plot twists with as much of an impact as possible. Despite the subtlety, the action-scenes also pack a punch. This show knows that gunfights between excellent marksmen can last very short, and they made excellent use of this in their build-up.

Since this is a Bee-Train series, the music is without a doubt excellent, but at the same time you can see that they’re trying out a few new things here and there. The use of music throughout the series is downright excellent, but what amazed me the most is the incredible size and versatility of the different background tunes. Hikaru Nanase, who also did the soundtrack of Noein and Zone of the Enders, created an incredibly versatile set of tracks for this series. The drawings are also continuously crisp, without hardly any distorted frames, and the animation itself is also pretty decent.

A bit of a lesser point of this series is that there are sometimes strange leaps in logic. One character may have escaped death a bit too narrowly, and this series also forces you to assume that with the right training, a bunch of teenagers can become much better at handling guns than any adult out there.

Nevertheless though, I personally loved this series. It’s a show that’s constantly evolving, even within its distinct three arcs. The major theme of this series, in which the best course of action doesn’t always get taken due to a sad combination of circumstances, is excellently explored by the cast. The characters in this series are deep and complex, and often you find them saying things while in reality they actually believe in something completely different. With an ending that you’ll either love or hate, this is a great recommendation if you like dark yet slow-paced series and don’t mind teenagers in your anime.

Storytelling: 10/10
Characters: 10/10
Production-Values: 9/10
Setting: 8/10

21 Responses

  1. supertauren says:

    Besides the whole kid-being-better-than-adult problem which this series suffers from, like all anime, this series has been awesome!

  2. Camario says:

    For the last time, the historical record demands making it completely clear that the visual novel came out before Noir even existed. Why do you think Kirika looks like Ein? =P

    In all seriousness…I tend to agree with this review. I’ve actually come to appreciate that major theme, as bittersweet as it is, but even then I won’t deny it’s always a hard thing to accept. I can understand why some people have had negative knee-jerk reactions to Reiji’s actions and omissions.

    In my opinion not all of the gunfights were what I’d consider good, at least not in terms of action, but even then the show tried to make up for it in other ways.

    It’s definitely a dark story with a well developed core cast of characters, all in all, and I ultimately think this adaptation managed to stay true to both the spirit and the letter of the visual novel without being a complete copy, but it’s clear that the anime staff made some decisions that will probably be unpopular with the average viewer and that even I had to sit down to think about before understanding them.

  3. Shinn says:

    This how was awesome, I’m sad to see that it’s over!

  4. i-k says:

    Nice review, I’ll finally get around to watching it soon

  5. Arseni says:

    This anime reminded me a lot of Gungrave…. and both were awesome.

    For those who have seen Gungrave, who do you think would win in a fight – Brandon Heat or Azuma Reiji?

  6. Perrin4869 says:

    This anime is probably my biggest disappointment of 2009. While there are series like Pandora Hearts which I could hardly stand also, thinking back Pandora Hearts never delivered for me, while Phantom did. And while Pandora Hearts could be thought as more a personal dislike of the genre, in my opinion Phantom is an example of fiction done wrong. The first arc, while it started slow, ended up being awesome, and the second arc started very strong as well. But around episode 15 everything started to fall apart in my opinion. Here’s my little summary on the flaws I found unacceptable in Phantom (of course, spoilers follow):
    The first of all is of course the inconsistencies. Here they went as far as showing flashbacks of people acting a certain way, and a minute afterwards we see them doing something that negates the way they acted in the flashback completely. The 2 examples I remember are Shiga being shown as the most loyal person to his aniki, always standing by him, just to see him killing him a minute later, and the second is a flashback in which we see Lizzie joining Inferno with Claudia to support her in her revenge, and 2 minutes later, she goes ahead and kills her, presumably because she felt betrayed… That’s why I thought in the end Claudia would come back, that her death was just faked, but in the end I was proved wrong. While they didn’t go for another Ein, they dug themselves a huge hole, because either way her death is just wrong.
    The other thing I found intolerable is how Ein was portrayed. At the beginning she seems like a rational person who doesn’t show any emotions. She kept this way all throughout the first arc, even when Reiji escaped with her. It almost seemed like she just tagged along for no reason at all, and when the moment came for separating with Reiji, she had no problem at it. She went as far as stopping a bullet with her body for her master. And at the end of the second arc, when her master sends her on a suicide mission, she suddenly decides that because Reiji didn’t kill her she should give an annoying speech about him being her other self, and some other crap that hurt my ears, and then started crying! And of course, she ends up running away with him. What caused this change in her personality, I guess we’ll never know.
    And then they decided it would be a great idea to turn the setting to a high school. I sincerely believed up until that point that this was a story about adults. But no, the creators proved me wrong by showing Reiji and Ein turn from cold blooded killers to high school students. To make matters worse, the reason they gave for it was because in the high school there was a girl they could use as leverage in case things went awry. Sure, because you must get to know the people you plan to kidnap before doing so. Oh, and they also made this girl fall in love with Reiji so much, that even after finding out that he’s an assassin, she couldn’t care. And the cheesy romance… But really, why did it have to be a high school, for God’s sake? If they wanted to have normal lives, anything could have worked, there was no reason for the creators to go for a high school. It’s just sad.
    Close to the end we have Reiji thinking to himself about how much he doesn’t want people around him to get hurt anymore. What’s his solution to it? Go and kill the person whose life he ruined. Is that fitting of someone who doesn’t want anyone to get hurt? Of course not, someone like that would have made a deal with Cal, like making her promise to stop the killings after she’s done with him! But, of course, this anime goes for the biggest impact, so they had Reiji kill Cal…
    And in the finale, we have SM’s masterpieces, the results of his long research, his improvements on the faulty prototypes he previously trained being killed like rats by his prototypes. I mean, he must have learned his lessons, and improved on the mistakes he did while training Reiji and Helen. There’s no way they could have ended up killed so easily by the prototypes! And then he accepted getting killed by Ein, even though the last time he stood before Reiji pointing a gun at him, he ran like a dog. What a lame villain!
    In short, even after hearing people try to explain why all this is happened the way it did, nothing takes away the feeling of how artificial it all feels. None of the characters feel one bit genuine, they all act the way the creators want whenever they want, more or less the way it was in Code Geass. As good as the first arc was, and as good as the second arc started, and as sophisticated as the twist at the end of the second arc was with the whole conspiration Claudia planned, it was all dragged down by the points I just mentioned.

  7. someguy says:

    “Close to the end we have Reiji thinking to himself about how much he doesn’t want people around him to get hurt anymore. What’s his solution to it? Go and kill the person whose life he ruined. Is that fitting of someone who doesn’t want anyone to get hurt?”

    Spot on here. They showed Reiji was a Intelligent person who cared for Cal.. and this is the result..

    I agree with Mio as well. they didn’t need to include her and have her ‘in love’ with Reiji, now that was lame. She didn’t do anything in the end. Though I didn’t think it was a bad plot point, it was pointless when they were developing her character, over say ellen.

    The school setting while Poor.. wasn’t so bad as some of the story points.. like Reiji just staying in School while knowing that Ellen is there and most likey is going after Cal.. which could either get Ellen, Cal or Mio killed. Yet what does Reiji Do.. Nothing.. Smart Guy.

    But really, I cant understand some of your thoughts about Ellen. It had been shown she was being ‘mind controlled’ by SM so what did you expect? For her to just ‘get over it’

    With Lizze though, it was shown she held ‘moral principle ‘Mafia Code’ over anything else. So that why she killed Cald. But then it makes her Death cheap.. when Lizze doesn’t end up killing Cal.. as she is getting ‘tried’ of this. To Bad for Claudia she didn’t feel this way before she was shot -_-

    The Production Vaules made people Overlook some problems (imo) I agree there were a few inconsistencies. But it still in the end was a Decent show.

  8. Fluca says:

    For me, this series would’ve been perfect if only they had removed zwei and the school bit from the story. Without it, I’d give it a 10/10 (the ending was awesome, btw). With it 7/10 at best.

  9. Fluca says:

    For me, this series would’ve been perfect if only they had removed zwei and the school bit from the story. Without it, I’d give it a 10/10 (the ending was awesome, btw). With it 7/10 at best.

  10. Fluca says:

    Dang. I’ve gotta brush up on my German. lol. When I said Zwei I meant Drei (Cal).

  11. DLP says:

    Great series, with a perfect ending.

    The change in setting to high school was brilliant and worked perfectly. Great characterization, direction, and music.

    The only flaws in the series were the three-times use of “oh, I think they’re dead – no they aren’t.” It should have only been used once, with Cal, not with Ein, Cal *and* Reiji.

    Mio’s character wasn’t pointless. She was Reiji’s victory. By refusing to stay with her, and drag her down into darkness, he showed he’d learned from what happened with Cal. And also made it clear that he chose Ellen.

  12. Chosenone says:

    Reiji didn’t ‘chose Ellen’ He was never in the position that he had to choose to save Ellen over Cal or Mio. Reiji was simply trying his best the situation he was in while keeping the promises he could keep. And So while he did kill Cal.. it wasn’t because he choose ellen over Cal. Cal was only ever Cold towards Reiji and said she hated him.. will kill him.. make him suffer.. ect (Cal was Broken.. partly due to her past and this phantom life) so for all Reiji knows Cal doesn’t care about him at all anymore and had enjoyed this phantom lifestyle.. though it might of brought her some pain and sadness. Reiji thought there was only one way to settle it. Reiji made the desion to kill Cal. Not for ‘ellen’ (he could of teamed up with ellen to make sure that Cal does die and no harm come to ellen if he looses) because he was the one who made Cal like this (in his mind) and she was out of control and there was only one way he could take action.(Unbelievably Stupid of him.. but.. It seemed Reiji did get more stupid in this Arc) If the words that Cal said to Reiji after he shot her.. where said before the Showdown. Reiji would of never shot her to kill. He didn’t realize untill Cal final words that Cal still loved him and in the end all she wanted was Reiji love and she wasn’t really enjoying this phantom lifestyle (Though Cal does enjoy being an assasin and being able to Protect herself she doesn’t enjoy the life she was living as a puppet of Inferno in hate/despair) And didn’t want to make him suffer. Reiji does have Good intentions towards the people her cares for.

    Reiji was just friends with Mio, he didn’t want to get her hurt, but then again he doesn’t want to get anyone hurt. (apart from Inferno and the like) he didn’t ‘refuse’ to stay with her. He never had any decsion to make to stay with ‘her’ or leave. He had no promise with Mio and wasn’t her girlfriend or anything.

    Just to Note: Reiji did! drag Mio into the mess. While he wasn’t the one who thought up the plan. That goes to Ellen. He accepted the plan and went ahead with it, which makes him just as bad in the end. As he could of just left Mio alone.. and not used her to escape. But that what he did ‘use her’ Just like Reiji has said he had Used people, played people all for the sake of living.

    The ending is interesting because.. It in no way shows that Reiji and ellen are closer together. In the end after the failed ‘normal life in japan’ ‘dream life’ and after Cal’s death.. all Reiji wanted was to fufill a Promise to Ellen. It wasn’t really about living a life with! her.

    Reiji guilt is so massive that once he has done what he promises others, death awaits him.

    There was one key scene.. (After he meets with ellen after he thinks Cal had Died)

    “Cal.. you’ll have to wait a bit for me, there is still something I have to do (fullfill the promise yo ellen)”

    Though promblems arise.. Reiji did get ‘caught up’ in his ‘Dream’ The 6 months he was in Japan.. he forgot his past and was living normally. So he wasn’t able to full fill the promise to ellen.

    There wasn’t one Girl that Reiji favored over anyone in the end. The show was simply a drama with complex relationships. They Cut-out parts of ellen true path from this ending for a reason! If they wanted to a pairing to be ‘final’ they could of done it. While it might look like an ellen ending to some people. In the end it wasn’t. A couple of key scenes removed and the death added was to make sure this, And in the end it makes this a ending for the anime, and not just a copy of the VN.

    The title, really tells the story of the show. Requiem for the Phantom.

  13. iwashere says:

    is it just me, but is anyone else botehred by Cal`s body change? i mean, last time we saw her, she was still a lil flatchested kid, but then, BAM! she became big-boobed and all in just, say, 2 years? o__________o”

  14. Ferdinand says:

    I watch this anime immediately after seen this review. I finished watching in 2 days, and I gotta say I am very disappointed with this anime and also your review. First I find zwei’s voice is annoying, it just not fit with assassin cold blooded character, second too many illogical things in this anime, like it feels it is so easy to become great assassin, most of the time they only practice shooting, knife really?? every gangster do that also all of the plot twist are predictable, i didn’t have any feeling of surprise while watching this. then, cal’s body change really2 not make sense, I didnt get what the creators think about, it should just said 4 years later or more. The changing plot to Japanese Highschool stuff make it even worse and unrealistic, overall i gave it 7 and psgels, I dont know what your taste is but i found your review just not right. its your opinion but giving this better score than gungrave, full metal alchemist original, clannad after story even Kimi ga nozomu eien?? you really have a bad taste..

  15. totoum says:

    ferdinand: some of your complaints were actually pointed out by psgels

    “A bit of a lesser point of this series is that there are sometimes strange leaps in logic. One character may have escaped death a bit too narrowly, and this series also forces you to assume that with the right training, a bunch of teenagers can become much better at handling guns than any adult out there.”

    I guess the difference between you two is that you consider these crutial while psges finds them trivial.

    ” i didn’t have any feeling of surprise while watching this. ”

    not even at the very last scene of the last episode?

    “The changing plot to Japanese Highschool stuff make it even worse and unrealistic,”

    How so,he needs to get out of the US , he’s japanese , he’s a teenager,makes perfect sense to me.

  16. Ferdinand says:

    totoum: yeah I admit the last scene was a little bit surprising but still it doesn’t help cover up all of the weaknesses in these series, not mention most people hate this ending, personally I like it.

    The changing plot is unrealistic for me, it doesn’t show how they got to japan, eren doesn’t have passport and how do they apply for highschool, I am not sure but u need like a citizenship, student permit and they act like they were brother and sisters probably u need a family card not sure though, but certainly you need some requirements for that.

    yeah I am talking bout reality here, I know its anime, at least they shown their fake ids. it would be more realistic if they run far away like village areas, mountain, etc. many choices why highschool ?? if they want to keep that girl mio, they can just watch her, not need to be highschool student, that what professional assassin supposed to do.

    yeah I find these crucial, probably because I watched movie like Bourne Ultimatum and Taken, that’s why I found these one feel unrealistic.

  17. Ferdinand says:

    totoum: yeah I admit the last scene was a little bit surprising but still it doesn’t help cover up all of the weaknesses in these series, not mention most people hate this ending, personally I like it.

    The changing plot is unrealistic for me, it doesn’t show how they got to japan, eren doesn’t have passport and how do they apply for highschool, I am not sure but u need like a citizenship, student permit and they act like they were brother and sisters probably u need a family card not sure though, but certainly you need some requirements for that.

    yeah I am talking bout reality here, I know its anime, at least they shown their fake ids. it would be more realistic if they run far away like village areas, mountain, etc. many choices why highschool ?? if they want to keep that girl mio, they can just watch her, not need to be highschool student, that what professional assassin supposed to do.

    yeah I find these crucial, probably because I watched movie like Bourne Ultimatum and Taken, that’s why I found these one feel unrealistic.

  18. windy says:

    I’ve found this series amazing despite the coincidences and some little wrong twists( it just shows that the characters may have commited some actions on the spur of the moment but those affected them and proved to have a consequence on their later actions ( Lizzie)) it could have made, it was a brilliant, excellent and awesome series!!! But agree, the way Reiji killed Cal, it was a deeply tensed moment that played on our emotions, for that the creators did manage to achieve that point in the most amazing way, but I also felt it could have been avoided ( and Claudia’s death too, I guess, but is there any good ending for her? She ends up tragically or sadly no matter the ways her life turn).

  19. Antalk says:

    Here is my two cents: Phantom is by far the best I have watched…so far. The opening theme sets the tone for each episode (’til they changed it) and the story lines were deep and the ending, NEVER SAW IT COMING! I recommend you devote your time to this series.

  20. Lord Haw says:

    I was blown away by this series. Found the plot to be quite detailed and it caught me by surprise a few times. The most jarring change was the Japan arc though. Last you saw they were heading to Mexico and then suddenly they are in high school in Japan. Had to look twice to make sure I was still watching Phantom! The change was that much different. But it did work from a plot perspective. A well done suspensefull anime overall in my opinion.

  21. TimeMask says:

    When I saw your review title was just called Phantom I wasn’t sure if this was a Phantom of Inferno review.

    I watched this anime a while back but I’m planning on reviewing it on my blog.

    I agree with your rating as this was a great anime but the ending felt odd for him to be killed in such a way as he seemed to almost have superhuman abilities. However he is still just human so he couldn’t sense the bullet from behind.

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Of those you listed, no, I dont think they get explained? I mean, SAO did, but I dont think that falls into your category.

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Amagi
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Amagi
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@SuperMario: Takagi-san is cute, I'll admit that, but since I already read the manga it's not new to me. Sora Yori is good, but it's not particularly cute. I found Hakumei to Mikochi and Yuru Camp very boring. Haven't got the chance to watch Mitsuboshi Colors or Gakuen Babysisters but I don't think they could be more cute than Mii-kun.
SuperWooper
HOT TAKE: Genre is irrelevant. What matters is whether a show is good.
SuperMario
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Lenlo
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@SuperMario: I'm sure this is where our definition of "cute" parts way, but I'll ask anyway, what are those 5 shows?
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@Niello: seems so because I can eaisily pick 5 more shows that are cuter, and better than Mummy this season ;)
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*to where
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I get the exact same feeling with Takagi-san. It's pretty good on what it does but 20 minutes of the same thing for a whole season doesn't sound that promising
Vonter
The chibi mummy anime
Vonter
It's a shame it isn't a shorter 10 or 5 minute series, I think that format would make it shine more, since it does what it's trying to do.
Amagi
Speaking of it, I liked the second episode of Kokkuko or whatever the name is even more than the first one.
Amagi
I really have a problem with all these shows that rely on one single thing, joke, shenanigan or whatever. Be it something cute, some certain kind of interactiong or whatever. It doesn't matter how good it is it will bore me with episode 2.
Lenlo
Like, yeah, the mummy was cute. But the cute became rote/bland really quick. There has to be more than "cute" to be worth watching for more than a single episode to me.
Lenlo
@Niello, I was harsh because its not aimed at me. I wanted to drop it 5 minutes in, kept up for the post, then was thankful it was over. There wasnt anything overtly bad about it. Its just there was nothing good either.
AidanAK47
To be fair it's not as if we are lacking cute in this season.
In fact it's in danger of inflation.
SuperMario
@Niello: yes, the mummy is cute, the show is cute but beside that it's pretty mediocre. That show in particular is the only show that I have the damnest time to give it a potential rating.
Niello
It's not even down because of legal reasons, since the site pull down contents that are lincensed. It's down cause it's too much for the site owner to manage. Much of it also have to do with too many bots, which comes back to how a lot of other sites are relying on batoto.
Niello
@Masky: Not enough manga titles are getting translated. Batoto is the site scanlation groups basically rely on, and where other aggregation sites pull their content from. No batoto no obscure titles, a big blow to small scantation groups and one big manga/scanlator community down.
Niello
Why are you guys so harsh on the mummy show? It's so darn cute. Give it some credit. If a comedy show can be good because it does comedy well I don't see why a show ike Mummy can't be good if it can make people go "aww".
Masky
I don't really know why that is the case, maybe marketing budget and UI friendliness when done right? :P
Masky
Eh, wouldn't say it will kill manga industry. I mean, more and more official methods of reading manga online is starting to pop up and legit channels to pay to get access to manga can surprisingly enough harm free channels to get manga.
Masky
Anyway, I do find it funny how how the isekai character dies can be so meaningless that is joke in most of them
Niello
Batoto is going down, how this affect the manga reading is going to be interesting. Hope it's not slowly dying.
Masky
(at least that one, besides forgetting to introduce what the heck is gimmick besides generickness, acknowledged how most of otaku mcs shouldn't erally want to get transferred to fantasy world since they never get to see how their favourite mangas end :P )
Masky
Anyhoo, it gets annoying since its not just isekai being cliche, sometimes is just them being kind of badly written(or at least adapted to manga). Like, I found one new isekai today, but I have no idea what its gimmick is(from what I understood, its that "cute companion" that character gets is hideously op because mc didn't spefy cute girl when he asked god manager dude for cute companion)
Masky
Slime one is one of better from the more generic ones weirdly enough :P I mean I still wouldn't call it good, but at least MC character isn't god tier, just top tier and it has sort of village building simulation feel to it. Plus at least naming things giving monsters more powers is something funny regarding jrpg mechanics
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or alternatively the car was on a boat with the character or parents in it and the boat and car were hit by a falling plane lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its always "car accident" that sends the characters to another world or in harem cases "Lost parents due to car crash", for christs sake doesn't anyone die in out of control plane or speedboat crashes anymore, at least make it a motorbike....
Nayrael
Ah sorry, should probably not have touched the colors...
Nayrael
Trust me, Isekai is better when it doesn't try to be imaginative. When it tries to be original then... Isekai with a Smartphone... Isekai where the MC turns into a Slime... and my favorite: Isekai where the MC became a Hot Spring popular with sexy girls.
Masky
Assuming "new" things can happen under the sun
Masky
Anyhoo, I do wonder what the heck will be next "popular genre trope that will become so overused cliche that everyone groans whenever show uses it even if its actually good show"
Masky
Like, seriously you could do really interesting story variant on isekai with that if done right. Suddenly becoming characters you have roleplayed would be trippy as hell espicially if one of characters went really into detail with backstory while one of them is just "Bob the fighter, he likes fighting" and has to deal with what happens when you assume life of such a person
Masky
But I wouldn't honestly be surprised because of my anger issues related to amount of unimaginative isekai :P Though I guess trpg based one would be more imaginative in comparison
Masky
I'd assume not since I assume tabletop rpgs are much more niche than jrpgs in japan
Masky
So has anyone yet done isekai where guys getting transferred were playing trpg? :P
KTravlos
quite happy with most recent Attack of Titan manga chapter.
SuperMario
Alright, one more impression post to go before we really get on to new season
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yep, I just fixed it. Thank you
Kaiser-Eoghan
*than just the reviewers names
Kaiser-Eoghan
A slight problem with the coding there in the newest impression, showing code gobbledeegook rather than the reviewers names above their impressions.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I'm seeing it on 2nd of February.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Late screeners generally leak shortly after the uk release, so maybe early Febbruary it'll be online?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yep, Phantom Thread. Could be Daniel Day Lewis's final performance. Is it available online already?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Did you know that Paul Thomas Anderso8n has a new film coming out? Also I found out there is a Polish semi-knockoff of purple rose of cairo.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Awesome, just got myself an invite to a secret private torrent site =)
K-Off
@Kaiser When I was in University, I was a waiter at a Korean-owned Japanese Sushi restaurant with a kitchen staff of entirely Mexicans with poor English. The owner, while he provided the rest of his staff with small meals during our lunch or dinner shifts, never game any to the kitchen staff. The guy even ranted to a customer about how "lazy" or "ignorant" they were.
K-Off
Buses are pretty common in America, even outside the major super-cities like LA, NYC, or Chicago. It's public rail you're thinking of that we don't have much of outside the cities.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I brought up the racisim/aunt story wondering if anyone had any horror stories about where they worked?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Bokusen: Buses don't seem to be a thing in America, meanwhile over here, despite traffic, public transport is much more of a thing, couldn't imagine not getting a train or bus somewhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi. I must say you changed my positive view of the German education system.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: And yet Austria gets the far right party in power and Israel also has a far right apartheid leader.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If any good came from it, her boss got banned from facebook .
Amagi
Two years ago the alt/new right hold a rally here since they're successful elsewhere with their anti-immigrant/PoC speeches. In the end it was 35 nazis vs 29.000 counter-demonstrators. The joke: when they had to leave with police protection they shouted "We are the people". Yes 35 hated bigots are surely the people, not the 29k. I laughed.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: That aunt story is pretty shit. I am kinda happy about smartphones nowadays, you can often make photos or record speech if you are witnessing something. Also, thank God the racists in my city are very rare since antifa and leftwingers took hold of it decades ago - now 70% of people are immigrants so racists don't even tend to show up anymore.
Nielllo
Great. I don't think most of what I wrote actually appeared in the chat.
Niello
what I'm going to do in the long run.
Niello
While Liberal art colleges are really good for developing writing and reading skills, the truth is in science classes you still don't do much of that. it's also limited by general lack of equipments that you get at bigger Uni. My college don't even have engineering.
Bokusen
@Kaiser Darn it, I hate it when racists try to justify their beliefs. That guy sounds like a major jerk!
Bokusen
@Niello Ah, yeah I think I might have preferred the UK system too if they give a month to study for exams! Wow...That sounds much nicer. Oh, and yeah, I wish the US had better public transport too... After seeing Japan's public transport system, I wish the US's could be more like it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The landlords love to kickout people through unfair prices a stick their friends in instead.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Since we're on careers, it reminds me, one of my aunts telling me what a bastard her boss was, guy was a racist, she complained about it then he got rid of all the evidence linking him to it and made it seem as if she was the rascist and humiliated her in front of her Arab friends.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think we all end up getting this huge kick in the ass moment where we learn andget it together.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It gets better thankfully, grew up and am happy with this postal clerk job.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The landlord story is a common one, they still think themselves feudal lords.
Amagi
And yeah, all this neet time. Although not moving out isn't that uncommon here anymore, considering how the rent increases, especially in my region (European bank city). And if I look at my friends it seems like they've the same problems. Even those who have found their dream jobs are otherwise living a nerdy life, going to pubs at night and so on. I think a part of us will always stay twenty.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: This "career" was exactly the same for me. I am pretty sure I wasn't even capable of thinking about my future up until, as you said, mid-twenties. There were just so many other things that interested/bothered me, school wasn't even among my top 30s or so.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Oh how I regret not getting into novels, noe my concentration is too shit to read them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually I don't think teenagers even really know who they themselves actually are .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Youth is wasted on the young.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember wasting so many chances to properly appreciate and get into certain things when I was younger too, when I actually had the time. We have no idea how to use it at that age.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The answer is down to the kid themselves wising up early and adults needing to find a way to REALLY motivate kids.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I hated being in that position, leeching off my parents/the state.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember as a teenager thinking watching films/anime/playing videogames with my friends/brother would last forever, then getting a dose of reality that everyone just moved on .
Kaiser-Eoghan
and between short contracts you spend months as a neet.
Kaiser-Eoghan
You just end up bouncing between go nowhere evening/day courses that are more about putting asses on seats than actually getting anyone anywhere.
Kaiser-Eoghan
and then you find out you dossed off so much in school you can't get to grips with university.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wouldn't recommend anyone doing what I did in my teens and early 20s, dossing off all the time, then finding out you have to wait five years to go to college as mature student, your school results are middling and not job/college useful, end up taking forever to get to the stage where you can start building up temporary job experience because no one will hire you.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Heck, as a teenager I remember pretty much living in the moment, never even thought seriously about what I wanted to do, I don't think I even thought about that my adolescence would end, pretty much rushed through my homework and never studied, stayed up all night watching anime/reading manga and playing videogames allday.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't think I actually matured/grew up until I was in my mid twenties.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My school never did a career prep class.
Kaiser-Eoghan
in the end thats how I got to where I am now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I took a different path in life to working, doing temp and voluntary work over time to buildup experience all over the place and working out what I wanted to do that way.
K-Off
@Kaiser @Amagi Besides the characters, Emma would not work if not for the sheer passion for Victorian history that you see in every single frame. Reading Emma reminded me not to avoid historical manga entirely as I'd done before.
K-Off
Probably why Community College is one of the best things to ever happen to the United States' education system, since it catches those students who need some time to figure out what they want to study. I went through three years of it before transferring to University.
K-Off
@Amagi Possibly one of the dumbest mistakes a lot of parents make. Society at large expects teens to have meaningful thoughts about the rest of their lives, when, let's be honest, most of us spent our teenage years doing anything but. Then they're somehow surprised when their children fail class after class because of their lack of motivation.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, I have seen Shion no Ou. In fact it was this site that got me to watch it years ago. I remember it being a damn good watch too.
Amagi
Due to that system most kids stay in the social class of their parents which is why you mostly have pure academic families or pure working class families. It got better the last decades though, but that separation is still there. The fact that I am a university student now is rather an exception than the rule.
Amagi
The thing is that most teens don't even have a clue about what job would interest them or be something for them. I for example come from a family in which most people don't even graduated, let alone that anybody would ever read books or so. So I knew absolutely nothing as 12yo and only ever read my first book at 15 because of a friend.
Amagi
@KTravlos: (As a German) I totally agree. The worst is that most people have to choose the route of their career as early as they become 16 or so, maybe even earlier, since we have that three part school system where you choose your school type after elementary school. One is for professionals, one is middle tier and one school (hauptschule) is for the typical working class jobs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its the exotic factor of a lost era/age, I also tend to like the costumes .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Otoyomegatari I've not read in some time, though Kaoru Mori's attention to detail is quite strong.
Amagi
The Victorian Age is also very popular among manga fans it seems. I don't even know why I love it that much, considering that I am usually a sci-fi fan, but I somehow do. Historical things are almost always interesting though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I grew up watching old English melodramas with my parents....therefore Emma was a show that jumped out at me.
Amagi
Speaking of Emma, I should finally read the new volume of Otoyomegatari. I really love that author, Emma was awesome. She writes great characters.
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