Posted by psgels on 14 December 2009 with categories: Anime Reviews, Kara no Kyoukai



The seventh and final Kara no Kyoukai Movie is another long one, clocking in at two whole hours. This really gives more than enough time to properly give attention to the story that explains the rest of the mysteries that the previous six movies have left behind. And really, these past seven movies have been a real treat. They’re all different and don’t try to rip off each other, contrary to what you might expect. They’re a great recommendation for any mystery-fan, though do note that the seventh movie isn’t the best.

I’m pretty surprised with some of the flaws that actually managed to slip by in the second part of A Study In Murder. The focus this time is the shock-factor: there is a lot of gore, even more disturbing than in the previous movies, and it also touches upon a big taboo in anime: drugs. While I applaud this series for actually going there, I do think that they could have spent a bit more time making them work out right. Bluntly said: this is the most unrealistic of all the Kara no Kyoukai movies.

The gore really is gruesome, but there are times when it’s overdone a bit too much. Characters who are badly wounded (even those without any sort of supernatural powers) just walk away without even flinching (or bleeding, for that matter), and not to mention Shiki’s ingenious “handcuff-escape-trick”. hello? You have a mechanical arm! What was the point of giving her that anyway? The effects of drugs on people also didn’t seem too well portrayed. Especially for a movie of this caliber, I expected a lot more detail. This also was the only movie in which the CG didn’t blend in well with the other graphics. While most of the movie looks as gorgeous as ever, the CG saliva just looked way off, and some of the goreish flesh-wounds had this as well. Really, what happened?

But despite these, does it have enough to make up for it? Plenty. The interplay between Shiki and Mikiya in this movie adds a lot of depth to their characters and it provides a satisfying closure to the questions that were asked throughout this series of movies, mainly in the second one. It’s pretty unpredictable as well: before starting this movie, I had a completely different image of the true culprit.

The direction is also as solid as ever, and the double length really allows the story to play out like it should have. It’s just a shame of the above-mentioned flaws though. In the end, my favourite movie of the seven remains the fifth one, closely followed by the fourth. This one hovers somewhere in the middle: still very good, but hampered by strange flaws and a story that just isn’t as strong as some of the others.

Storytelling: 8/10
Characters: 8/10
Production-Values: 9/10
Setting: 8/10

14 Responses

  1. chaostangent says:

    I certainly don’t agree with your statement about the gore being more so than in the previous movies. Movie three (Remaining Sense of Pain) had some really graphic deaths by Fujino, and Movie two (Murder Speculation part one) was rife with decombobulated victims. Likewise for the “most unrealistic”, it seemed a lot more grounded than past ones, especially the last two hour epic that is movie five (Paradox Spiral) which went for crazy lava cats and invisible Mikiya.

    That said, couldn’t agree more re: Shiki and Mikiya, some wonderful moments with those two, especially just after the climax and before the credits roll. I also wondered about Shiki’s artificial arm, she must have some powerful teeth if she went through that as wasn’t it supposed to “survive an elephant walking on it” or similar according to Touko?

    Anyways, nice to see someone else covering movie seven, my thoughts in length: http://chaostangent.com/2009/12/kara-no-kyoukai-7/

  2. tzuge says:

    The thumb bit was pretty ridiculous. Even ignoring the prosthetic hand, isn’t dislocating the thumb sufficient? Also, did anyone else find the whole last bit too much drama for drama-sake? Considering the end results, pretty much everyone would’ve been better off if Shiki had killed in self-defense earlier.

  3. blakraven66 says:

    Speaking of the thumb bit…noticed the thumb came back after the fight…lol.

  4. Reverse says:

    blakraven66 @ lol

    The moral of the show about kill is wrong, totally ruin the show being anything but good. for god sake just kill that guy. why you want make everything so complicated

    I have nothing again moral in anime, but went it start to hold back progression of the show itself, it just terrible in my book

  5. Morgoth says:

    *Spoilers – so who still has to watch the movie shouldn’t read on*
    I liked the movie, I have to admit but the end wasn’t really what I had expected. It seemed just so… “wrong”. How is that happy end related to any themes presented previously in this movie? It doesn’t add up: All that talking about evil, killing, drugs and so on – in the end it just came down to “Shiki kills evil guy – day is saved”. And Mikiya survives somehow against all odds which wouldn’t have disturbed me that much, if only he wouldn’t be drugged with such a great dosis that no normal human could survive (that at least the antagonist says to Mikiya).
    Beside that the movie was great: animation, characters and so on.

  6. PL says:

    SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS*SPOILERS

    The drugs bit was really poorly researched…PCP definitely would have worked better for the sort of effects she was wanting, but apparently in Japan the drug use rate is very low compared to many other places in the world, and even amongst drug users it is very seldom talked about openly, so I think she can be forgiven for getting the details wrong. Also, remember, what was really making people go crazy was the “bloodchip” acid that had Whackjob’s supernatural blood in it. So, I imagine that for a Japanese audience made up of everyday otaku’s, somewhat removed from drug culture, this would have achieved the level of belief neccessary for the story’s sake. So, while it didn’t work for me, because I know better, I just pretended like I didn’t, and in that case it works well…for Americans, imagine if all you knew about those drugs was what you heard in the DARE program at school? It would be pretty believable. I think that’s the level of knowledge about drug use for your typical Japanese.

    Second, Mikiya’s always been supernaturally tough when it comes to Shiki, we see that from the second movie on. So, of course he survives. I mean the guy went weeks without sleep just to prove Shiki’s innocence, and keep her from going out and getting involved in the violence during the second movie, because he knew she was drawn to it like a moth to a flame. He survives massive head trauma in the fifth movie, when he becomes the decoy so Tomoe can try to rescue her. And we see in the very first movie he has some unique qualities because he is apparently able to leave his body in his dreams, which is how that girl steals his soul. So, it’s not really any surprise that he survives that stuff…because, it’s tied closely to the most important theme in the whole series, which I’ll get to in a bit.

    Third, Shiki bit her thumb off because she has that mechanical arm, which she couldn’t detach because she didnt have a free hand, and couldn’t bite through because its been built to be extremely tough with both magic and technology. And that she was able to do it is again tied to the theme.

    I thought the gore really served to underscore the reality of gruesome violence. There were scenes that literally turned my stomach, like when Whackjob bit Shiki’s neck. And for once in an anime, violence isn’t glorified, ennobled, or applauded, and we see how horrible and monstrous it truly is. It was purposefully made to look as ugly as possible. The slober was a bit much though, and even though I didn’t notice any problem with the CG, it was difficult to watch and over done.

    Finally, those complaining about Shiki’s struggle with killing that guy missed the whole point of the whole series. Shiki has always struggled with and been torn between her “destiny” as a natural-born killer, and her feelings for Mikiya. She realizes something fundamental would change if she just meaninglessly kills someone on purpose. Mikiya on the other hand, has always loved Shiki unconditionally. And even though he is against killing for ethical reasons, his real concern is the psychological damage Shiki would do to herself if she killed, and especially once he discovers how sick Whackjob has really become. That’s all made really clear as he struggles up the stairs. Shiki is under the mistaken notion that if she kills even in self-defense, Mikiya will reject her. But back to that theme I mentioned earlier. Kara no kyoukai took the most overdone, cliche theme in all of anime and made it work and be truly moving: the power of love. It works here and only here, because for once, this movie explores the real “power” of love. It isn’t some magical force working in the universe, or the ultimate spell to defeat the bad guy, or some special feature of human existence that can break through all psychological barriers. For once, the power of love is represented as that will to believe in someone and push on, no matter what stands against you, and the genuine way in which true love alters you as a human being. So, Mikiya is able to endure great physical trauma and keep pushing on because of his love for Shiki. Sometimes in an almost supernatural way, but mostly just with the sheer grit and mental toughness we humans are capable of when we really truly love someone. Similarly, Shiki finally realizes she never had this painful choice to make at all because she’s always loved Mikiya and that love has fundamentally altered who she is. Because of her feelings for Mikiya, she simply is not the kind of predator she’s always imagined herself to be. Up to the very end, however, she’s under the mistaken notion that she’ll lose Mikiya if she kills Whackjob, but her final reaction isn’t that of a predatory homicidal maniac, instead, it’s the simple human reaction of a person whose had their loved one murdered. Does it make what she did right? No, but it is certainly human and not the same as if she’d killed him earlier when she was purposefully hunting him down. And, Mikiya doesn’t react in anger because it has never been about the principle, it’s always been about Shiki herself, and the hurt he thinks she might feel if she allows herself to give in to those murderous impulses. So, they get to have a happy ending, because, in the end, love does win, in a very human, not over the top, kind of way. Shiki had chosen Mikiya all along, and finally she could see that herself, and lay down this idea that she’s a cold-blooded killer, and Mikiya could forgive Shiki for killing Whackjob because there was never anything to forgive, he just didn’t want her to suffer. So, they could finally move forward with their relationship, which had been on-hold for four years. That’s why Shiki said at the end, she never really wanted a knife in her hand, just Mikiya’s hand to hold. And, we have seen this theme at work throughout the entire series, foreshadowed by Tomoe’s love for Shiki, Azaka’s love for Mikiya, and Touko’s love for all three of her employees. I think the best symbol of this theme in the movie is the sword going up the elevator, and when Araya Soren is trying to figure out how Shiki woke up, the realistic nature of the theme gets put into words well. He says something like, “Tomoe woke you.” Shiki says, “Nobody woke me. He didn’t have to come. But he, and only he, brought your death to this building,” Then she draws the sword. In other words, Tomoe didn’t have some magical power that transcended all Araya’s bad-ass magic to wake her, but damned if he didn’t bring the special kick-ass sword, and manage to get it to her against all odds, and even after her death. LOVE is the counter-force.

    The only question I’m left with is, why did the Ryougi family work so hard to hone and draw out this ability and impulse in Shiki when it sounds like her grandfather very much was against violence and wanted Shiki to have a normal life? The purpose behind it all was never really explained. I mean, it made sense for Shiki’s character when she was hunting monsters and mages for Touko, but what was the ultimate purpose? Was it the same or a similar thing?

  7. andrea says:

    Now that I finished the last movie, I can safely say that I watched the whole thing only for the visuals and the gore :D I mean the characters where totally unoriginal, when the evil guy said “I seek absolute knowledge!1!11!!!” I lold hard. But the sister of the good guy being in love with him was the best, they did a whole movie only of her going around killing fairies! Overall I prefer to consider the kara no kyoukai movies as a series made of longer episodes, cause I can’t even think of comparing them with the anime shorts done by Yuasa, Kon or Miyazaki. Sure, the production values were good, but what about the personal style? They basically took the Fate Stay Night style (which is pretty average imo) and pumped it up with a lot of money.

  8. Ting says:

    This is not really the last. Take a look at this.
    http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=104913

    epilogue will be shown “recalled out summer – Gospel in the Future ” : 未来福音・序

  9. tom says:

    I really really hate Mikiya character, what the hell is wrong in killing a murderer just in self-defense or just killing him to prevent him from taking more innocent lives. His whole killing is a wrong idea, I wanna punch him in the face so bad and drag his ass to face the family members of those murder victim. Have him look into the eyes of little kids who got left behind because their parent is dead and have him tell them

    ” I know who kill your parents but I think killing is wrong so I won’t kill him” I want him to go tell that to the victims family. He is so retarded, so in his mind he think is wrong to kill a murder but ok to let him go loose and murder more innocent lives. I was so hoping he was really dead near the end cause ppl like him don’t deserve to live, his stupidity is a disease. I would punch ppl like him if I ever see one.

  10. PL says:

    Tom, that isn’t Mikiya’s point…no, he doesn’t think murder is justified, even in those situations, but he also wouldn’t blame anyone for killing in those circumstances either. His point is the psychological impact he realizes commiting murder will have on Shiki. Shiki didn’t have to go hunt that guy down if it was just to stop him or punish him, she could have given the authorities the information…instead, she WANTS to kill him, and Mikiya knows she won’t be the same if she crosses that line. Mikiya is an awesome character.

  11. Deus says:

    Pretty much. The point is not that killing is *absolutely wrong*, but that Shiki has unique circumstances that when triggered (i.e. actually killing someone) might actually send her off the brink into stab-happy homicidal mania.

    Hence the entire point of the badguy wanting her to kill, and Mikiya preventing her.

    That Shiki actually didn’t devolve to follow her own origin (Death) after actually going through with killing someone had to do with her growth as a person and attachment to Mikiya. By all accounts, she should have.

  12. mindtrix says:

    lmao he said he gave him a dose of 10x potent marijuana?

    the fact is you can’t overdose from marijuana no matter how high the strain.
    the homicidal maniac was obviously high as fuck o.O
    he should be glad he didn’t take the LSD LOL Then he might have died although the maniac did a very poor job of finishing him off.

    • ronri says:

      @mintrix
      You ought to remember that his marijuana wasn’t ordinary as it was some effed up version Araya had. It’s obviously meant that the drug was 10 times more dangerous than anything like marijuana, as opposed to being literally “Marijuana Dosage x10”.

      • vykromod says:

        The whole drugs bit was probably the most poorly handled part of the adaptation in this movie. The original novel is certainly not perfect in this respect, either, but it’s much clearer exactly what is going on there. It’s even mentioned at one point that Lio is growing a low THC content industrial hemp strain called tochigishiro, but it’s been modified in some manner, like how his LSD blotters have his blood added to them as an attempt to awaken the user’s origin.

        Actually having drugs as a plot point of any kind in anime is so incredibly rare that I can’t really complain, though. At least they didn’t completely censor it. Kind of funny as well, that the whole teen prostitution/pregnancy thing from part 6 was retooled to just be (generic) “drug abuse” too.

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@Masky, that's the theory but in pretty much every roguelike I played its not the case. If the RNG decides you are going to have a bad time then you are going to have a bad time. Skill can only bring you so far. I have played this game for 7 hours and I know I could have finished it in 2. Only thing stopping me is a dice roll.
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I hate roguelikes. Been playing enter the Gungeon and I just lost all patience with it. Getting real tired of my victory being decided by a RNG. It never feels satisfying to finish a roguelike because I know my victory was determined by pure luck.
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So we got to rely on fansubs for it when it's airing.
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@Mario, Nope. I think because netflix only puts up full seasons they are only planning to put it up when it's finished airing. Or when it's dubbed.
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@Aidan: that's a dumb way to do things really because unless you watch the show weekly, everyone gonna forget that it even exist. Just look at Re-Life last year
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Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
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Alright but unmemorable seems like a good summation.
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@Lenlo: one good thing about Seiren is if you don't like this romance, the whole thing gonna reset after episode 4 so there's a chance that you might end up like it. Agreed that the comedy wasn't very good. Alright but unmemorable
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@Topgavin: I watched like first 3 episodes and stopped because I didn't have much time there, but I enjoyed what I saw. A well-written and endearing show in my book
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Has anyone here watched Ore Monogatari before? Because in the 4 years I've watched anime, I've never heard of it (I guess it did come out 2 years ago) and yet it's turning out to be one of my favorite shows. Always great going into a show expecting nothing and getting pleasantly surprised.
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Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
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Im really not feeling Seiren. Its "comedy" isnt for me and I just dont find it very enjoyable to watch so far. Im curious if it gets any better but 2 episodes in it just isnt that good.
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That ending scene is an entire side-story compressed into that. Don't expect anymore of it from here on out as the it sticks to ruthless military/fantasy pretty well.
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Youjo Senki, now we are talking. Like Helghast said, Did the god scene way better than the LN and manga. Made it less comedic and more intimidating.
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@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
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Its easy to ripoff some obscure thing though and get away with it. The dogtooth director essentially stole an old Mexican film to make that.
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@Kaiser: yeah, that following some guys from behind like they were on a RPG games, which I think actually fit with the tones of Elephant. I have such mixed feeling with Gus van Sant too. Don't really think he's a great director.
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@Mario: Although Istvan Szabo is probably a little more well known for that Mephisto film that updates the Faust story. Zoltan Fabri's the fifth seal is a very thought provoking war movie.
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@Mario: I remember seeing a film documentary that featured Gus van sant in one section, they showed clips of tarrs films, Sant ripped of the cinematography and stole the style from some British short film to make Elephant.
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@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
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@Mario: Scorsese's Silence was a big comeback. I really really emotionally connect with spiritual crisis stories.
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@kaiser: yep, definitely check wreckmeister down. Althought I admit that watching his 2-hour plus films will feel like 5-hour anyways
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@Mario: I'm more tolerant of darker teenage/coming of age films/stories. Les Demons was a big surprise.
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@Mario: Though its kind of frustrating, I do think Tarr probably takes attention away from other hungarian filmakers because no-body knows who the hell the others are.
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@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
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@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
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@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
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@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
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@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
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I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
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@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
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@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
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Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
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@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
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@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
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@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
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@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
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Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
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Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
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@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
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@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
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@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
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@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
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@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
Lenlo
Anime hipster is pretty accurate. His general treatment of the current state of anime is annoying, as is his obsession with moe. Maybe its cause I cant stand moe most of the time, but it bugs me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: Essentially my brothers view on digibro.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: I don't usually feel the need to correct errors in your reviews as the errors are generally un-important, but I think you meant to say apprentices rather than appearences in the Rakugo review, just bringing that up as it felt like kind of a throw off.
AidanAK47
Which is kinda like saying Madoka wasn't a magical girl deconstruction because Sailor Moon and Nanoha had dark elements too.
AidanAK47
Went and read the reddit comments on it and seems I was right on the money.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, He's basically a anime hipster. For example, I saw a thumbnail of his which had Saitama on it and below it "Is There Meaning In "Subverting" Shounen Tropes?" and I thought "Okay, he's going to go on about how OPM isn't subversive and then list a bunch of arbitrary examples in an attempt to redefine what is actually subversive"
Lenlo
I have lots of issues with Digibro. Dude has some good points, but other very horrible ones. Some issues he feels strongly about and gets kinda biased on imo.
Anonymous669202
acca looks visually interesting, and I personally really dig this kind of show, but it seems that it's definitely not for everyone
AidanAK47
Time to live up to my word. Four posts incoming.
AidanAK47
Man, Little witch Academia was so good. I disagree with the whole Digibro thing about being able to recognise a great show in it's first episode but watching this makes me think that this really is going to be something special.
AidanAK47
Alright, gonna put in effort today and have 3 or 4 first impressions posts done. That should knock out near half the season.
Kaiser Eoghan
Had a flip through handshakers. Garish is the word I'd use to describe it visually, it takes you out of the show.
Topgavin
ASuperMario From the first minute I can already tell it's by the same people that made K. Those colour filters and the extremely jarring/obvious city CGI is unmistakable.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, literally makes my hands shaking. It's an abosolute mess. Highly recommended to check it out because it's so terrible it's great to watch
Vonter212
Yeah, and it's also a literal woman in refrigerator plot device, since that the thing that pushes the story forward.
Masky
I'd say that having to hide your sister's body in fridge would count as daaaaaaark and edgy, but when the body is wearing only underwear, and for some reason main character put metal things in fridge to keep body standing(I guess to not knock fridge open from inside?) I think it goes to "exploitation" you are talking about
Vonter212
@Masky - Did someone said doing dark things for drama? That's the bread and butter to get despair. Unless it's for the sake of perversion. Then it's just exploitation.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Masky: His other works dead tube and scumbag go further in the unhinged regard.
Masky
*relies on easy "let's do [x dark thing] for drama!" thing
Masky
Geez, Mayonaka no X Giten is fricking disturbing/disgusting ._. I'm pretty sure that writing relies on e, but I can't help but think mangaka is trying to make corpses sexy.
SuperMario
I found Onihei to be quite good, actually one of the most solid new episode I watched this new season. Guys, check them out
Vonter
I just hope it doesn't fall into the same misstep Kabaneri or Inuyasha or Bleach fall by making a villain so over the top that it crossed the line of not having a satisfying downfall.
Anonymous657941
@Vonter I think they just moved on. I lost interest rather quickly and I guess even the fans did that at some point, like with some other long-running series. There is much more new and more direct "fujo" stuff out there, many of them probably switched. Don't know what happens in the manga but maybe the story got worse or contained things some people didn't like.
Vonter
January will be loli dictator month (for me) :p. World Conquest Zvezda Plot, Youjo Senki: Saga of Tanya the Evil (new), Seraph of the End. For some reason I stumble into three curious series with little power hungry girls. If I can ask, why did Owari Seraph's hype died, I remember back it was mentioned more often. It still has the fujoshi fanart but still, I don't see people bringing it up.
SuperMario
@CATski: well, if you didn't like its first 3 episodes I dont think the rest gonna change your mind. Have you finished Erased then? How did you like it?
SuperMario
But I understand it's difficult to speak in front of camera, get some time to get used to it
SuperMario
@kaiser: I won't commend on poem as I'm terrible at it myself but younneed to work more on presentation Kaiser. Small little things like looking directly at the camera or say "thanks for listening" in the end can connect you to the audience better
Anonymous657071
Ok. I'll give the thing another chance. *clicks torrent* XD. CATski.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Topgavin: You might like centaur no nanami if you like demi-chan.
Kaiser Eoghan
Damn...repeated myself =<
Kaiser Eoghan
There are these things called slam sessions done in bars where people get up and read out stuff in front of a crowd and read stuff out. Actually watching rakugo made me think about practicing for that kind of thing.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: the video I did was of me reading out a short piece of writing I did, a poem. lol I uploaded it to the wrong youtube account too I just realized =P
[link src="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypBZ2hBDBYs&t=11s
I"] was recording this from my mothers laptops inbuilt cam while reading off my desktop.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I think it's a good idea for you to try out reviewing movies/stuffs in youtube channel. I'll be very interesting to listen to them
SuperMario
@Topgavin: Agree. Demi-chan was so charming. Definately one of my favorite so far this new season
Topgavin
Demi-chan's first episode was good. Like, really really good. That blonde-haired girl was hilarious, the teacher-student relationship between the MC and the girls is really interesting and the social/practical problems the demi's face make it look like my favorite show so far.
CATski
Ah... ok. Is it really that good or it's just one of those "artsy" animes that tend to get overrated by their ardent fans? I didnt find the rakugo bit interesting.... probably the weakest aspect of the show for me.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Why did I read that chapter. Why did I do that to myself.
Kaiser Eoghan
Admittedly yes the premise is not for everyone, but if you stick with it, the flashback arc had some good character work in there.
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