Posted by psgels on 17 December 2009 with categories: Umineko no Naku Koro ni



This episode was evil. The previous episode left with a huge cliff-hanger, so I was really looking forward to see what would happen with Beatrice next… and here this episode comes and focuses entirely at Ange. That’s definitely not what I expected for a semi-final episode.

It wasn’t exactly a major episode, though for some reason the characters kept using different names for older Eva and Maria’s diary. For some reason, old Eva now changed her name to Kasumi, though this was probably to escape the links she had with the Rokkenjima murders. Maria’s diary somehow is called Mariage Sorciere. We still don’t exactly know the how and why of this, but my guess is that it’s Maria’s magical alter ego who wrote the diary, explaining why the handwriting is different.

I think the most confusing part of this episode was right after Kasumi showed up from out of nowhere, as it took a while to sink in what the heck she was talking about. Basically, Eva refers to Kyrie as her older sister, meaning that she’s actually a part of the Sumadera family. Then really, what does this mean for the Ushinomiya-family? Is Hideyoshi actually Kinzou’s child? On top of that, Kyrie was about to marry this mysterious Hideyoshi, but instead married Rudolf, who then had a son called Battler who isn’t the same Battler as meta-Battler. Damn, and I thought the previous episode was complicated.

EDIT: Ack, I just realized that there are two old ladies in Ange’s timeline: her first aunt is Eva, who apparently did die a few episodes ago. Her second aunt is Sumadera Kasumi, who is Kyrie’s sister. And I kept thinking that they were the same person! Well, this at least makes things a little less complicated, and this episode much more straightforward. Which is a bit of a shame considering that there’s only one episode left!

Ultimately, this was an episode of building up. Which is a goddarn shame considering we have to wait around two years before actually seeing it being paid off.
Rating: (Enjoyable)

25 Responses

  1. Azule says:

    For an anime episode, this was a great episode for building up.

    But, for the VN adaption, this was terrible.

    I have to say, it’ll be interesting to see how they pull the series to a close next episode, just enough so that the room for series 2 is still there.

  2. Taiyaki says:

    Mariage Sorciere isn’t Maria’s diary, it actually refers to an alliance of witches where Maria and Beatrice are members of. this was implied a few epísodes ago, if I’m not mistaken.

  3. Anon says:

    lol he still thinks there will be a second season

    Also, Maria has an alterego now? Where on earth are you getting this from?

  4. Sanity says:

    I had a strong urge to throttle Kasumi’s underlings… how could they ashfdhj beat up a girl! Although fighting back probably won’t make much of a difference, I still kind of wished she tried to fight back halfway.

    A lot of questions left unanswered… I was hoping for some insight into Battler’s sin this episode too. Anyway, I thought the 2 different handwritings were Maria’s and Beatrice’s…? But then again, Umineko left me very confused so I probably have forgotten about many things.

  5. psgels psgels says:

    Anon: wait, what? There isn’t? Where did you read this?

  6. Rika says:

    @pgels: Well it doesn’t say anywhere that Umineko wont get a second season, although its not confirmed that there will be. A lot of People are speculating that a second season for Umineko wont happen due to the very low DVD sales.

  7. Anon says:

    @psgels:

    It hasn’t been stated (though there’s a rumor that DEEN’s character designer for Umineko said in his blog there probably wouldn’t be one), but the DVD sales are worse than awful. Note 2 didn’t even make the charts.

  8. psgels psgels says:

    Ugh, there goes another series that I’ve been looking forward to then. Such a shame.

  9. Deus says:

    Don’t lose hope yet, continuing series with low sales has been done before, and in the case of Umineko, the sales might be because of the slow pacing of the episodes (there’s hope that sales will pick up in the later episodes).

    In any case, you can always try the games (which, in all honesty, is actually the best way to experience the series). The creator will continue and finish the story, so there’s no hope of leaving people without answers.

  10. spoofle says:

    CD sales just might save the franchise, as apparently they’ve been not that bad. But yeah, that’s what they get for just expecting it to sell to a niche that’s mostly made (at least in Japan) of people who’ve already read the much-cheaper novel.

  11. spoofle says:

    Just to clarify – not that the low DVD sales don’t suck for those people who were just getting into the series, of course :/. Or for the people (me included) who’d hoped that maybe a better studio or director would get a hold of the second season. I definitely hope that the rumors are incorrect.

  12. fox demon soavi says:

    where can I get the games?

  13. battler says:

    i think in the final episode this arc and it drives me crazy is just SO EPIC EXTREMELLY EPIC but deen is goint to ruin it, they are so stupid that they made an entire episode with ange and left a lot of things into the final DEEN EXTREMELLY SUCKS.

  14. Marion says:

    Eva and Kasumi are completely different people. I don’t know where you got it from that Eva = Kasumi – Eva has been around since the very first episode and Kasumi only arrived episode 19.

  15. Lloyd says:

    Ok… that last bit with the sisters just blew my mind. Exactly how much of any of this episode was real? God, how much of any of the SERIES is real?

  16. ultama121 says:

    They screwed up this part?! Ugh… this part was _amazing_ in the VN. It was intensely emotional and just overall moving. Why DEEN? ;_;

  17. Geekodot says:

    Buy the VN here: http://www.himeyashop.com/product_info.php/products_id/11978

    and download the english translation patch for free at http://www.witch-hunt.com

    It is possible to find the game patched on the internet though, but I heavily suggest buying it…

    Also, this episode was very well done as an adaptation, but I don’t know why they decided to adapt this scene better than any other so far…

  18. HF says:

    The Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru EP5 VN’s translation is to be finished in less than 2 weeks.

    So, most likely you could continue on to EP5 for Umineko’s story just a short while after the anime has finished.

  19. Sacchi says:

    You missed a line. Ange is Kyrie’s daughter. That has complete relation to what we saw last episode, in which we found out that Battler isn’t Asumu’s son.

  20. ebisu says:

    You’re right on Kyrie.

    And if you think magic killed the bodyguards I’d bet Alex, Ange’s bodyguard, did the job. And I suppose Eva’s second death would be more like an evil spirit exorcism of the black witch(maybe the evil side from Ange that she had to overcome).

  21. 4saken says:

    When I read the VN, I already thought that they are killed by Amakusa using sniper gun. But now after watching the anime I think it’s impossible considering the direction where the “bullets” come from.

  22. Camario says:

    @4saken: I don’t have the game as a reference, but the particular direction of the bullets that would have killed Kasumi’s goons could be another artistic liberty exploited by the magical illusions we’re still seeing. In other words, as long as the result can still be produced through human means, details such as those can be waved away as part of those magical tricks.

    Aside from the excessive bits of gore, I liked the episode, but I agree that the sudden focus on Ange was a little hard to swallow at first. However, it was necessary to conclude this part of her story and I’m expecting the next one to bring back Battler, so we’ll see how things go from there. I don’t suppose there will be a conclusive finale to the overarching plot though.

  23. Deus says:

    Actually, the anime scenes give even more credence to the sniper rifle theory, given the wounds inflicted. In the VN, the stakes were stated to appear and slash them, cleave them in half, etc… All this happened in a magic scene, however, which means its inherently unreliable, and the final state of the bodies aren’t actually described to us.

    In the anime, what appears from the start are wounds consistent with what looks like bulletholes anyway.

  24. Writer says:

    There’s one problem with the sniper theory, and it’s not just the fact that the bullets seem to travel from Ange herself; it’s the angles themselves. Even if some of the guards were shot from behind (ignoring the way the wounds seem to have an entry point) there’s a wide range that Amakusa would have had to cover in order to kill them all front to back.

    My theory? Gas on Rokenjima, inducing hallucinations that influenced the guards so they shot each other. As for Kasumi’s death, and the re-appearance of Eva, that I’m still working on.

    Another theory of mine is that this has been an elaborate act of some sort (that or Akamusa was working behind the scenes for his employer); the guards were paid to kill the other guards without being told of the deals bartered with the others. The reason why none of them were told is because Ange (or other individual) had no intention of letting said gunman live; if he would betray one person, who’s to say he wouldn’t betray the one who paid him?

    Again, it doesn’t cover the Kasumi/Eva problem, but I’m still working on that. At least with Eva, we know that it’s a hoax, and that her death can be naturally presented as it was; the gun backfired horribly onto her, and Ange put her out of her misery.

  25. #$%^&*()_(*&^%$^&*()(*&*()_(*&^&*()(*&^%^&*()(*&^%%^&*()(&^%$%^&*()#$%^&*()_(*&^%$^&*()(*&*()_(*&^&*()(*&^%^&*()(*&^%%^&*()(&^%$%^&*()#$%^&*()_(*&^%$^& says:

    Or it could be just magic. Keep in mind that this futuristic world is fully contingent, and exists exclusively as a remnant of the last 3 games, given they also happened simutanously(remember what the old fanatic said about the notes flowing from sea that tells two different scenario?)The idea of magic already exist in the foundation of this “world”.

    This whole world is not exactly of the real world, but rather a world created for Ange, similar to that “fake ceremony” given to Eva-Beatrice, this world was for Ange to become a witch laid out in a way she could understand. She said so at the end of the episode when talking to Bern “I inherited the world of magic created by Mariage Sorciere” after Bern mentioned at the end of her “journey” she understood all magic.

    From that, I don’t think it’s too far-fetch to say that the world of 1998 was just a more elaborate Meta-world, made for Ange to understand magic.

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  • AidanAK47
    (Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 04:06 PM)
    @Bam, Well the three games were originally supposed to be one. But it turned out that the first two were bundled together and Alternative was made a separate release.
  • Kaiser Eoghan
    (Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 08:38 AM)
    Jesus I never expected that doing a myanimelist/letterboxd account thing would be so hard. I’ve seen a scarily higher amount than I thought, its insanely hard to remember everything to add.
  • Bam
    (Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 06:17 AM)
    It seems then that the future of the franchise’s anime adaptations rests a bit on Schwarzesmarken’s success, which looking at the buzz doesn’t seem favourable at all. I doubt it can regain the lost audiences.
  • Bam
    (Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 06:14 AM)
    That would suggest that the author(s) had the foresight of including seemingly useless stuff that will come into play later. That’d be impressive if they did, as these kinda series are make-it-as-you-go.
  • AidanAK47
    (Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 01:59 AM)
    It’s difficult to put into words but essentially while the first game isn’t good, it does work as a tool for introducing and endearing you to the characters. Then Unlimited sets down the rules of the new world. And finally alternative proceeds to kick your ass into next Tuesday.
    That’s sort of why I don’t think it would have the same effect if it was an anime. VNs allow you to get a more personal connection with the characters.
  • AidanAK47
    (Saturday, Feb 6. 2016 01:55 AM)
    It’s not quite the same. It’s more like there are things in extra which seem insignificant but turn out to play an important role later. It wouldn’t really work the same if you did it in reverse order. Character history is a bit different too as each game is essentially an alternate universe. The character histories in extra are different from those in alternative.
  • Bam
    (Friday, Feb 5. 2016 11:38 PM)
    And also remember how Darker Than Black had a big jump between the main series and Gemini of the Meteor. They later made a 4 episode OVA that covered the gap, and although you knew the outcome it was still entertaining; or at least more than the Gemini one. There’s merit to non-linear chronology and storytelling, but it is usually very hard to pull. The audience is intrigued by secrets that can later be uncovered, although in anime the pay-off is not always substantial.
  • Bam
    (Friday, Feb 5. 2016 11:32 PM)
    I don’t know, the audience usually only needs very limited information to figure out dynamics and histories between the characters.
  • AidanAK47
    (Friday, Feb 5. 2016 11:27 PM)
    A 13 episode series would work for the second title unlimited. But Alternative is a pretty long visual novel. You need at least two cours to give it justice. Making extra an OVA could work but you do need it for alternative. But it’s not an optional part of the trilogy. It needs to be read first, so that events later have a greater impact. Personally I am not even sure Muv Luv can even work in another medium.
  • Bam
    (Friday, Feb 5. 2016 11:12 PM)
    That might compress things, but I think a good screen-writer can fit pretty much any VN in 12-14 episodes (covering just the main route).

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