Posted by psgels on 26 December 2009 with categories: Kemono no Souja Erin



So far, the endings this season have been pretty generous for me. 11Eyes was pretty exciting, Darker than Black’s finale also had its good points, and White Album’s ending was really good. This however, was just bad. I wish that I could at least praise it some, but it did just about everything that you shouldn’t do in a final episode. Let’s make a checklist of what all went wrong here:

– A Disney-ending: the lead character is hit. He/she falls to the ground, seemingly dead. But wait! She turns out to be alive anyway. This is completely pointless in terms of storytelling: it accomplishes nothing, and is just used to generate some cheap sentiments for the lead character. Let it be the characters who create the drama!
– The lead character is cornered, about to be killed. But wait! Something unannounced suddenly pops up to save her. Again, pointless and cheap! If you want to do something, then at least show Lilan take off or something.
– It forgets to take its surroundings into account. What happened to the Touda riders? They completely vanish after Lilan screams. Where the heck are they?
– The villain, battered and defeated, finds a weapon and takes a final shot at killing important person X. Only to be obviously stopped. Cliched! Cheesy!
– “Save him! Save my precious loved one because he is about to be killed! The others on the battlefield? Who cares. I just want to be with the person I love.”
– And they lived happily ever after. seriously, all of the conflicts magically resolve themselves. Very sloppy.

I mean, this was exactly what I feared when I first found out about the staff of this series. The director has shown that he can adapt a story well, as long as he’s given enough time. But he’s utterly terrible when he needs to write stories for himself. There are so many things wrong with this episode. It’s not just a case where it’s simply rushed, and just could have used some extra episodes. Even with ten extra episodes, what happened here would not have made any sense.

I mean, I seriously wonder what happened to everyone on the battlefield. For some reason, everyone aside from Shunan completely disappears. As if those lives are completely unimportant. That completely shatters the previously built-up themes about the hardships of war: who cares if people get hurt? They’ll just disappear anyway. Let’s send those kinds of armies toward each other!

This really is a bad timing for this series. You know, if the series had simply ended at episode 49, it would have left a better impression than right now. Here I was, really happy with the slow build-up of the past few episodes and that the creators were actually trying to let everything play out naturally… and then they pull this. Oh come on. And added to that they even have the guts to pull a “nearly dead”-twist TWICE. I mean, what were they thinking? This is just me, but I personally hate it when a show has to resort to these kinds of plot twists. Especially near the end.

Overall, I like the series, but I think the parts I blogged weren’t the best. For me, this show was at its best from episode 30 to the episode in which Erin lost half her hand. After that, it was just build-up for this particular episode, and that was just all dumped down the drain in less than 20 minutes.

Ah crap. I was going to give this show a very positive review, and then it pulls this. I’ve noticed this plenty of times: great series with bad endings, as much as I hate it, do end up leaving a very bad aftertaste. There you go, show. Thanks for pissing me off.
Rating: —- (Bad)

18 Responses

  1. BBOvenGuy says:

    Oh, come on. I knew Erin wasn’t going to die from the moment I saw the preview last week. Well, actually I knew she wasn’t going to die from the moment I found out there were two more books, but even if I hadn’t found out about those, I would have known the preview last week was misleading. This was slotted as a family show, and you don’t take kids along on a year-long story only to kill off the main character at the end.

    As for the rest, I’ll have to see it for myself. I’ll also be looking for comments from people who have read the books, to see how closely the story matches up.

  2. Alec says:

    just read d 1st 3 paragraphs..

    LOL, but hey!!!, atleast they were succesful about giving viewers an aftertaste (Good Or Bad, but mostly bad)…thats what makes it successful… They’ll be thinking bout the ending for a week.!!!

    I havent watched the final episode, but i guess i already know what to expect…. So basically, the final episode is nothing but a bunch of predictable stuff like what happens in KID movies?, and a happy ending?..not to mention some stupid inconsistencies…

    I guess il be thankful 4 d blog…If i watched the anime without reading this, Im 100% sure that il be thinking about d ending 4 quite sometime (prolly like a week)… With this il be mentally prepared…

    back then i ran out of animes to watch so i ended up doing a marathon, it was ok, silent, boring in a good way, then her mom died.it got interesting at that point, then it got slow, and boring again(more like a spice of life anime)…still boring…then comes episode 30- 49….it became intense, especially d part where she lost some of her fingers…..(crap its taking a bit long….what im saying is that, I;m dissapointed…for a 50 episode anime to give an ending like that…)

  3. theone says:

    heh im glad i read the blog instead of wasting 20 mintues watching the ending, well for me this series ends at ep 49, thanks for blazing the trail for us!

  4. Blba says:

    Erin does die later on with Lilan. I read it somewhere in wikipedia I think. Don’t know if it’s true.

  5. headachebaby says:

    So I peeked at the rating as being bad but I didn’t read the blog. PSGELS’ opinions can differ from mines and I didn’t want his opinions to influence how I view the episode. So after watching it, yes, it was a BIG disappointment. The first being that the episode picked up differently to how it ended in episode 49. I mean the music and the feeling it gave was different than from the ending of episode 49. It was abrupt beginning. I was emotional when Erin rode off on Lilan to save Shunan in episode 49 but in this episode, I didn’t get that feeling.

    Yes, there were a lot of predictable things but what sucked was that there was no development into it. It would be better with a couple more episodes to develop everything in this episode. All I got was “what! that and that happened but how and when???”

    And then, they have to stuck a couple of fillers about Erin’s mom…I think we got more than enough of that. And the ending?! What a waste to show every character…it was not needed or important. That time could been used to develop Erin’s relationship with who father her son…Ialu???

    I’m so sad…I was really happy with this anime until this episode…every thing was just a “WHAT?!” to me.

  6. Khan says:

    ARGH. No. They didn’t! They ruined it! I can’t believe it.

  7. Alec says:

    just watched the ending of kemono souja erin with my heart prepared (for doomsday)…didnt go that way btw…

    I admit the ending has problems… with all the the build up, its not an ending i expected… I’d say its an ok ending, but the fact that it is an “ok” ending gives problems!!!…

    ANYWAYS!!!! NO!!!!!!!!….MY PRECIOUS & INNOCENT ERIN IS TAINTED…IVE WATCHED YOU GROW since ep 1( u were 10 at that thime)..Now youre someone in ur late 20s (prolly 28 yrs old and has a child…( u know what that means))…. wish they didnt another show a time skip…

  8. Sywen says:

    the ending with her kid,is the continuation from the books, then ext book is about 11 years after what happened here. this book ends with lilan and erin flying off the battlefield, so it’s more like a preview if they make an adaptation the next books.

  9. wandering-dreamer says:

    Well, Erin was hit by a arrow but not in a vital organ (considering she’s still moving I guess it didn’t pierce the lung) so it’s perfectly resonable that she survives. Plus with all the arrows flying it was going to look sillier if she wasn’t hit at all. Lillian swooping in to save her just reaffirms the bond they had throughout the entire series, and also shows what places the Beast Lords above the other animals, that they can forgive and still love.
    I assumed the Tohda riders were still running away and screaming actually, that’s what I would’ve been doing anyway. Erin did leave her knife right there (Checkov’s knife anyone?) and of course Ialu is going to stop Deminya. He’s been trained his entire life to fight and it has been remarked on several times on how quick he is. As for Semiya shouting to save Shunan, it’s just been shown in the past few episodes that she doesn’t have enough foresight to be Queen yet, she can’t see past the small and immedate problems, this was totally in character for her. Plus, if Shunan kicked the bucket she would be in even more trouble with Nugan running around.
    And I don’t see where you got a “all conflicts magically resolve themselves” idea. We see the end of the battle and then at least a six year time skip, plenty of time for the land to become peaceful (or at least the area where Erin and her son were) and this story has been about Erin first, fixing the kingdom second. So I thought that the story stayed true to itself to the end, too happy for you I guess?

  10. The Anonymous says:

    Kemono’s ending was rather disappointing, but it wasn’t THAT bad, was it? Personally, I felt it was an okay ending, but a lot more could have been done with it. For instance, I couldn’t help but feel that the (what was it, five?) minutes spent on the panning throughout the scenery (like dipping into the ocean, and stuff) was used as a fill up. It would have been better if they had used it to let the events play out – naturally? Was that how you put it? The events in the episode were strung together rather choppily, and the characters only seemed to react when it was convienent, not when it was appropiate.
    I agree with the person before me, however. I don’t think we have enough insight to say that the conflicts all magically resolve themselves, sans the deal with the Ohjus, of course. It would have been nice if they provided more of an epilogue, of course, but it seems they used their precious time on things that didn’t quite matter as much (like when Erin is hugging Jesh, all she says is his name – she even repeats it. While I feel it is establishing the mother-child bond, they still could have done a MUCH better job of that). There’s also the fact that Erin is really the only main (as in main, MAIN) character who gets an adequate amount of screentime. Ialu, for example, is only shown a few times throughout the episode (couldn’t they have put a little more effort in foreshadowing the epilogue?).
    Overall, I agree mostly with your review, (a little harsh though, maybe??), with a few small inconsistencies.
    Who knows? Maybe the fan in me is disappointed at the lack of meaningful sentimentality this show was supossed to posess. Ah, well. If I can find the manga…

  11. KatyWaller says:

    I just finished watching the episodes last night, and i have to say that i was so eager and excited to finish this short series. Then when i finished watching the 50th episode, a “WTF!” moment ensued because there was so much by the end of the series that were never explained. For example, why was there no further scenes involving the People of the Mist and more stuff about the Players Skill than just seeing it in action in episode 6 when erins mom dies? Also, who the hell is the father of her kid at the tail end of the last episode? I wish the show would have taken the “romantic” scenes and actually put “romantic actions” in it.(like probably a smooch, no going over board with some hinted bed scene, sry if i portrayed it like that)Its just little details that never went into depth that bothers me because its those little details that shape the character and let you know more what theyre like. I really hate shows/movies that make you think at the end. (i dont wanna think, i do enough of that at school!)

  12. Linda says:

    I personally loved the ending. This is a childrens show, and a happy ending is what children like. I was expecting a happy ending, and i thought it was very satisfying. partially because my ship was canon but whatever. at any rate. Yeah, it was great imo

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Youjo Senki 6 subs came out at 11pm PST.
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SuperMario
Hey, I would be very frustrating if Hand shakers got delayed. But I agree this delay is caused by Being X. And Scum's Wish, haizzz, this is the show we love to get pissed at. Haha
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I blame Being X.
AidanAK47
Sigh, Youjo Senki 6 is delayed. Why is it always the best shows that get delayed? If an episode of hand Shakers was delayed no one would give a crap but nope. Gotta be the show you want to watch right away.
AidanAK47
@Anon, in both anime and manga I never liked that character much.
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As I continue to watch scums wish, it becomes an anger inducing as much as it is engrossing experience.
AidanAK47
Or the UBW movie over the TV series. You just don't do that.
AidanAK47
That's like recommending someone to watch NGE death and rebirth instead of the TV series.
Kaiser Eoghan
Meh, I just got fed up with the padding in the tv version.
AidanAK47
Jojo has the kind of entertainment that clicks with you or doesn't so I understand if you didn't get into it. Though to give it a fair chance I would recommend trying the first episodes of Battle Tendency. It starts at episode 10 of the first season, you can jump to it. If that doesn't catch you then Jojos really isn't for you.
AidanAK47
Don't listen to Kaiser. The OVA is bad.
Kaiser Eoghan
....found out where a friend had been off to lately, making a movie and he ended up actually making and finishing and I got first dibs. Had a hard time commenting on it as I know the guy personally.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Totally with you on the academy thing.
@Lenlo: If you ever try jojo again and get onto part three go for the ova instead as it trims down an overly bloated arc.
Lenlo
For JoJos, I couldnt get through the first season. It just didnt hook me
Lenlo
What I dont understand is how anything other than Mob Psycho won best animation, cause my god.
Lenlo
I think Erased lost not because of the libido, but because Yuri was "gay" and "progressive" and most important of all, recent. Yuri had just finished airing so it was stuck in everyones heads. Of course it was going to win everything
AidanAK47
Erased truly deserved to win that category and it only lost because people voted with their libido instead of their head.
AidanAK47
If there's one thing that really makes me angry about these awards it's Yuri on Ice winning most heartwarming moment for "The Kiss". Because A) It wasn't a fucking kiss and B) Even if it was that isn't heartwarming. Oh I am sure something is getting warm but it sure as hell isn't your heart.
AidanAK47
Likely the main reason Kira didn't win main villain because Jojo has grown to a episode count which makes people hesitant to pick it up. Not to mention many would lose interest by Stardust crusaders midpoint.
AidanAK47
When it comes to judging quality you have to leave it to the people who have experienced enough of the medium to truly be able to critical judge it. Pretty darn sure most who voted didn't even bother watching everything worthwhile each season and just gravitated towards whatever they were exposed to.
AidanAK47
Lets not forget someone voting multiple times and bot voting. Because yes, people really do that. As you two pointed out, a public vote was never truly going to be a accurate gauge of quality. For you are not only opening the vote to anime lovers but also newbies and those who simply haven't refined their tastes yet.
SuperMario
so they either abstained their votes (which actually was reasonable); voted for something popular or even voted based on what their kids liked the most (which was flat out unforgivable).
SuperMario
This from my own frustration mostly when it comes to awards like this. But I've been following the Academy Awards for way too long now and every now and then you heard something that really disheartened about their voting process. Like for example many of the Academy members admitted that they don't care to watch anything animated because... it's kiddy stuff
SuperMario
TL;DR: my point is I have mixed feeling about the whole Crunchyroll awards. One more thing that I noticed about the nomination is that the pool was dominated by shows from the first half of last year.
Lenlo
I dont think public voting is the way to go is the thing. Popularity contests are horrible. With popularity contests moe is going to be near the top every time, while shows like Rakugo never really have a chance. And I think there is little doubt that Rakugo was one of the best shows last season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: there is an issue with the first thou, because reviewers like us don't actually represent the whole public opinions. So it's all come down to the very reason they create an award in a 1st place (your second point). But with voting we can't really reason why the winners win the trophy, right?
Lenlo
The problem with awards like that is for them to mean anything they need 2 things. 1) A board of voters who are actual reviewers who have watched a large portion of what was on shelf that season. 2) Reasons for why each thing won its award. An award without reasons means nothing
SuperMario
Other issue about voting for these awards is that the nominating body and the voting body aren't always the same. Usually the voting body is broader and more generic in taste, so I'm not at all surprised when shows like Rakugo couldn't win. Too art-house for their liking. Well, at least it got nominated which for me is good enough.
SuperMario
That's the thing. When it comes to awards, they are more 'popularity' contest than actual quality, since people tend to vote for the safer choice (the one that are both popular and mildly critical success), YOI fits the bill here.
Lenlo
Those awards were not the best and little more then a popularity contest imo.
SuperMario
Actually with that line-up I had no problems with YOI taking the top spot
SuperMario
I actually forgot about the Crunchyroll Anime Awards so I came to check the winner. Guess which show won AOTY huh? Alright, at least it wasn't Kabaneri or Jokers Game
Kaiser Eoghan
But the best one was Mask of Phantasm.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: And return of the joker also.
Kaiser Eoghan
It has aged admittedly very poorly, but I always got a great kick out of that old 1994 spiderman cartoon.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I think its fair to use the term K-anime or C-anime for the Korean and Chinese influenced stuff, or maybe just anime would be just as appropriate. If some Argentinian guy can write/draw a manga for a Japanese manga magazine (big comic superior thats the magazines name) and have it actually be called a manga, it should be the same for China/Korea.
Lenlo
Mhmm. Marvel had the movies, but DC had the animated series
AidanAK47
Man, I loved the villains of Batman Beyond. Inque and Shriek had such interesting powers. The DC animated shows tended to be the one that didn't treat you like a kid while watching.
Lenlo
Well, they released a trailer for Samurai Jack S5, so its coming. Batman Beyond I also enjoyed
AidanAK47
Ah Samurai Jack. Wonder how that Adult swim revival is going? Batman the Animated Series as well didn't need Batman to crack off jokes every minute to be great.
Lenlo
Agreed. Samurai Jack was one of my favorite cartoons for that very reason. It ran the gamut of genres, each episode being something different.
Also I used Nichijou cause it was the first to come to my mind as a "Kids Show", though Love-Ru works as well
AidanAK47
One thing I think Cartoons could do to move away from the stigma of being for kids is having more genres than Comedy and Action adventure. Or at least stop putting comedy in everything.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Every fanbase has it's fanatics. There are idiots everywhere.
@Lenlo, I thought this might come up though I was expecting more of "placing Berserk and To Love-Ru in the same category" thing. Honestly I don't have a rebuttal for that. What is an isn't anime is really a matter of what anime is to you.
Lenlo
Now Aidan, you say putting Berserk and Scoopy doo in the same category is wrong, but what about Berserk and say.. Nichijou? A similar problem comes up and I think thats more to do with Berserk being a pretty major outlier (And I love it for being so. Have all the original Dark Horse volumes on my shelf)
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