Posted by psgels on 28 January 2010 with categories: Anime Reviews



Okay, so for those who missed it: I am not going to review Fumoffu because I don’t want to sit through a comedy I don’t enjoy. I do want to say a bit about why I didn’t like it, because the comedic moments of The Second Raid also turned me off for the same reason. For me, the creators took Sagara’s antics way over the top. In the first season he was a bright kid, who just had trouble adjusting in normal society. In the subsequent series, the creators try to make use of every light-hearted moment in order for him to do something outrageously stupid, only for Chidori to smack him in an over the top fashion. My biggest problem was that it wasn’t just not funny, but it also turned Sagara into an idiot and this plagues him throughout nearly the entire Second Raid.

As for the rest of this series… I’m really troubled judging it. During the middle part, I was really ready to label this series as superior to the first season. Even though Gonzo’s version of Sousuke was superior, Kyoani added a lot of extra things. The animation was far superior and the visual direction, and the small details within the storytelling were great to watch.

However, as the series drew near its finale, and Sousuke and especially his angst got more and more screentime… something just didn’t work for me. There was so much potential for this storyline and yet the creators waste so much time on Sousuke angsting over and over. It goes up to the point where his angst gets in the way of just about everything, preventing the minor characters from really shining.

And then came the ending. Seriously, what is it with Kyoani and Deus ex Machina endings? I’m trying not to spoil it, but the final episode was poorly built up, tried to do way too much character-development in way too little time, tried to wrap up its patiently built-up storyline way too fast. It felt way too convenient. A huge shame, considering how much potential there was in this series. It would even have been better if the creators just left a few more plotholes open, perhaps for a potential fourth season to address.

So yes. I may be the only one in this, but I actually enjoyed the Gonzo version more. With all the hype that surrounds it, I really expected something more from Kyoani’s version. It was undoubtedly more refined and superior in technical terms, but I just never liked Kyoani’s sense of humour, and this series misses the charms that made me enjoy the first season so much. This mostly is due to Sagara’s “derailment”, but also the villains themselves were surprisingly disappointing: none of them really matched the Gauron of the first season. They were all just too busy with their own quirks to really make an impact on me.

Storytelling: 8/10 – Excellent in technical terms; very creative, but the overall plot fails to make use of this potential.
Characters: 7/10 – Disappointing lead character and villains, though some of the side-characters have their moments of greatness.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Very highly detailed, very smooth animated. No complaints whatsoever.
Setting: 8/10 – Detailed military background forms a pretty solid base for this series to work with.

23 Responses

  1. specracer says:

    I’ve felt Chidori was the best character. Her increasing paranoia during the 1st part was great. I wish they would of stayed with Chidori more than Sousuke.

  2. Kim says:

    I am glad I am not the only person who didn’t think TSR was that great. Although looking back even the first season wasn’t perfect for me. I do like the characters of Sousuke and Chidori but I feel the mixture of dramatic action & romantic school age comedy don’t really mesh well. That’s just me though because obviously a lot of people love this franchise.

  3. Shinmaru says:

    I think the Gonzo version is better as well, although I admit to thinking Fumoffu? is superior to both. There’s just something about it that cracks me up. But, yeah, not much of a fan of TSR — just too much of the angst, as you write, and Gates is too cartoony a villain for me.

  4. I’m also a person who enjoy the first season of Full Metal Panic more than the two sequels.

    I also didn’t find Fumoffu very funny at all and can’t relate to how it’s consistently named by others as one of if not the funniest anime series of all time. I actually tried to review it once as well but just couldn’t get through it because it was rarely even the slighest bit funny to me no matter how hard it tried to shove it’s female on male slapstick gag “comedy” in my face in the same way as every other Kyoani series I’ve seen. By the way is that the only gag they know because it sure seems like it?

    I think it also needs to be said that Kyoani’s writers seriously seems to lack any idea of the concept of comedic timing/pacing and letting a joke or gag routine speak for itself if it is indeed funny. If a joke or gag needs to be explained, screamed or almost literally shoved in the viewers face it probably means it really isn’t all that funny and that they actually intend for the humour to be derived from it’s over the top delivery and the implication that what has just transpired is funny. If the viewer knows better and can see this then the humour doesn’t work plain and simple.

    Anyway I never thought I’d see another person that felt that TSR was weaker than the original as well let alone someone who’s reviews and tastes I regularly find hard to relate too. No offense meant.

    I felt that the first season’s advantage was that it had a better blend (and variety) of comedy (that didn’t need to be thrust upon the viewer nearly as often) and drama and that it also didn’t have the shortcoming of featuring a rehashed villain concept in Gates who in the long run is basically just crazy old Gauron all over again. It also had the advantage of being twice as long, thus giving the plotlines and characters a chance to grow on the viewer and also the chance to leave room for a nice little epilogue featuring Chidori and Sousuke enjoying a fishing date by the river where we can finally see that they’ve come to terms with their feelings for one another. In contrast TSR has that cheesy OVA featuring Tessa engaged in the pandering moeblob antics that Kyoto Animation has pretty much become infamous for abusing and that unfortunately happens to serve as the last instance of FMP being put to animation to date.

    As an addition I can’t help but feel that Kyoto Animation’s cult status these days plays a large part in why so many people seem to revere TSR and that Gonzo’s slow decay and eventual collapse is why people look upon the first season as some kind of utterly inferior failure. These sorts of things almost seem to have more of an influence on popular opinions than the actual content of the seasons themselves.

  5. Camario says:

    I actually like all three seasons myself but yes, Fumoffu isn’t the best comedy of all times or anything like that, which is what all the hype around the Internet makes it seem like.

    I thought Fumoffu was simply enjoyable enough and the character interactions were interesting to watch from time to time, but nothing incredibly original. That said, I can totally understand and respect your position.

    As for The Second Raid vs. the original series…it’s hard to say, because the angst didn’t bother me as much but I also thought the second season did need a better conclusion. The first season’s ending was easier to digest and didn’t feel too lacking. Once again though, we have to deal with the fact that this franchise was based on ongoing light novels and wasn’t an entirely original production. Apparently the author is writing the last volume at this time so hopefully we’ll see a fourth or even fifth season in the near future.

  6. Cheesyhoboe says:

    Wow. All these years, I’ve never seen or a met a single person besides me who prefers the original series to TSR, and today I’ve found a whopping total of 4.

  7. fox demon soavi says:

    I have to agree with your opinion 100% as I felt the same way. I didn’t midn htem being over the top for fomoffu since it was a side series but the second series it was just wtf.

  8. wakka9ca says:

    lol I found the first season to be better as well.

    Even though production value was higher, the Second Raid…. just didn’t have the same feel as the first season.

  9. HK-47 says:

    Count me in on the people who prefer the first season of TSR. I just hate it when a series concentrates way too much on characters going emo.

  10. Pax says:

    I can’t say i remember everything in detail about this one since i saw it a few years ago,but i definitely liked it a lot,also even if i do agree with your review, all those things did not bother me at all,not even the angst that i usually hate or the deus ex finale,i found the 2nd raid to be very entertaining.

    As for Fumoffu,i love it, i even rewatched it and it’s still incredibly funny, this is what a comedy should be like,most anime that are labeled as comedy are not really that funny, if i want to watch a comedy i would not choose an anime,sitcoms are way funnier,so far i have not found a comedy anime that manages to be as good as Seinfeld, Friends ,Curb Your Enthusiasm…

  11. kun says:

    Psgels, now that you said it, I don’t exactly remember any jokes in TSR so if you say that it is not funny, well, it might have been! But if you want to skip fumoffu because of it, somehow I’d feel that you might miss something big.

    Fumoffu is pure school life comedy that’s much funnier than the 1st season. When Sousuke declared his intention to still enroll in school (shouldn’t be a spoiler I guess, since everyone knows that there’s third season), well, fumoffu makes it shine. As usual, Sousuke have not adapted to the normal Japanese society yet. But now, with a lot of free times because Sousuke only part timing and don’t have to save the world using Arbalest all the time, he and Chidori instead use their spare time to do a lot of hilarious acts worthy of epic proportion. All episodes are stand-alone just like Doraemon and Gintama, and a great lot of them deliver more than expected. No mecha and definitely no emo; pure laughter.

    Psgels, and pretty much everyone else who has not watched fumoffu I guess, I think there’s a solution to whether you should decide to watch the full season of fumoffu. Try watching episode 7, titled “War Cry That Has Gone Too Far” / the rugby team. If you don’t find it funny, then I guess you made the right decision not to watch it. But you might want to check that first before deciding to skip the whole series.

    Best,

  12. Drask says:

    Actually the original series and the sequel TSR (forget Fumoffu) follow the novel plot. These two animes follow the novels fairy accurately so any weakness in the story comes the novels. I have read fan translations of the novels covering TSR and can say that there is very little difference between the novels and the anime.

  13. Greenthy says:

    wasn’t too fond of the action in s1, and mainly enjoyed the humor of the sidestories :)
    so fumoffu was like a present from heaven
    and TSR a drag :)

  14. Scamp says:

    FUMOFFU is nonsensical and that’s where its charm lies. However I can easilly see why one might not enjoy it.

    On the other hand, I’m delighted to see the amount of people that prefer the first season of FMP. What made FMP was how much fun it was to watch and TSR killed that entirely. I never really noticed the change in Sagara but now that you mention it, he did become even less socially competent in the second season

  15. shogun22 says:

    I actually enjoyed Fumoffu.
    I read that some of the stories here were actually based on FMP side stories(comedy) which were serialized in Dragon Magazine.

  16. lostty says:

    I really should watch FMP soon…

  17. Reltair says:

    Wow, you didn’t like Fumoffu? I found it to be quite amusing.

    The ending to the Second Raid was disappointing to say the least. I found the first season to be vastly superior.

  18. theone says:

    Funny thing is that I watched fummoffu first before I knew anything about the first two seasons and I found it hilarious!

    I think that it was because I knew NOTHING of the first series so maybe that helped lol

    I didnt like the first OR second season of fmp …

  19. zz says:

    Any series even the most successful will have its faults and harsh critics (death note, code geass, lucky start).

    Personally FMP is one of my top 5 if not 3.

    Generally it is a good franchise and recommendable solely because it sold well and was largely popular, while most of the negative views tend to be the minority (like I said even the best series can be criticized)

    Wont go any further as to why it was popular just still hoping that they will animate the rest of the light novels XD

  20. Immelman says:

    Wow. So I thought that everyone would prefer TSR over the Gonzo season, I find everyone thinking the contrary… It’s a shock. I prefer TSR, and I liked Fumoffu too (I liked the first season a lot too).
    First, I don’t understand why everyone is talking about the comedy in TSR. Except the first two episodes, there isn’t a single joke. TSR is quite a serious part of the FMP story. So we can’t really judge these episodes based on the comedy. For me, TSR is superior in the action. The first season had too many boring episodes; I concede that there are also twice more episodes.
    As for Sousuke, he is also much more interesting in TSR. He may have become angsty, but it is a new side of his character. I consider that this new feature makes Sousuke much more developped as a character. After all, he is teenager, and he never had his rebellious period; he begins to understand that he’s totally being exploited by Mythril, and that orders are not the only thing in life. He’s becoming a real man.
    TSR also develops a lot Chidori. As a reader said above, the episode where she becomes paranoiac is excellent.
    The villains were enjoyable; their quirks quite matched Gauron’s immovable smirk.
    As for the end, yeah, ok…

  21. The Sandman says:

    Anyone know if there is going to be a continuation to the series or is this the end?

  22. Ferdinand says:

    I disagree completely with the reviews. full metal panic original was boring as hell, especially at the second half between episode 15 to 20. i found every single episode in tsr is more entertaining and the action scene is far better than the first one. also Fmp Fumoffu is the best romantic comedy anime i have ever seen. i remembered laughing very hard in all episodes, of course i been watched another comedy anime too like school rumble, tora dora, ouran highschool, et. still fumoffu its the best.

  23. Anna-ime says:

    Reading this review made me expand about the thoughts I myself had when I recently finished TSR. Although the ending does leave a feeling of expectation, most of the TSR series wrapped up the first series and Fumoffu INCREDIBLY. Considering the amount of war scences in FMP and relief in Fumoffu, the creaters were finding a balance, in addition to building characters and showing the wathcers that “heart-breaking, heart-racing, and soul-searching” end of a series. It makes you consider a teenager who never experienced a life with emotion and choices until meeting Chidori. And Chidori, in response to those amazing paranoic scenes of TSR, learns to really embrace her emotions for Sousuke that (in my opinion) were not truly as powerful back in that fishing scene ending of FMP. I truly enjoyed the TSR series that led up to an end that, yes, made me want to scream, “SO DO YOU END UP BEING WITH CHIDORI OR NOT?!?!? TELL HER YOU LOVE HER, OR KISS HER, OR SOMETHING!!!!”, but also gave a sufficient ending to the end of the FMP trilogy (so far) that seemed to make me feel complete as well. If it had ended differently (like with a kiss, or a promise of some sort to always stand by her side), I might have felt that the Sousuke I love and the Chidori I adore have changed into the average anime teen couple I usually can’t stand. Overall, all 3 series were one of the best anime I have watched in a long time, and started with a beginning of many expectations and action, took a break of comedy relief to prevent the eye sore of only sad or violent or emotional scenes, and ended with a kind of conflict that kept you watching ’til the end. I loved them all, and can’t say that FMP, Fumoffu, or TSR are better than the other because they WORK TOGETHER hand in hand, but can still be enjoyed on their lonesome nonetheless.

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@Vonter: There are several films live action and animated and three anime series based on it.
Vonter
The new City Hunter movie looks great. It seems to have buddy cop vibe. Were there only OVAs or did this manga ever got a TV series? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRFrmaZa1OY
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Ha, you merged his names.
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Ah, that is the curse of watching an episode a week, forgetting things like that, can't believe I couldn't remember that.
Animosh
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There are so many movies or anime that kill tons of characters and throw in even more tons of cry scene and I am still unable to feel anything.
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@Mario: I always thought he could have fleshed out the first half of melancholia more, but it really gets going in the second when she really starts re-lapsing, I loved that part.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: You gave dancer in the dark 4 stars though.
SuperMario
My favorites are Breaking the Waves (although I do need to rewatch it), and Melancholia (mostly because there's a hint of hope at the end). Dancer in the Dark is so stupid I freaking hate it. Dogville, AntiChrist are depressing and Shia Labeouf and the ending kill Nympho for me
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SuperMario
@Kaiser: she was like "omg MARIO, you're serious crying while watching a TV show?" well, she invaded my privacy and still had the guts to say that huh?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Matt Dillon is great in it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Also, I saw the new Von Trier film, the horror one House that Jack built, its an acid black farce comedy that never takes away from the darker elements of it or the violence, even if it isn't as violent as people are saying. I loved it, even if it went off on tangents sometimes. My favourites by him are this, boss of it all, dancer in the dark and especially antichrist.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*their
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: What was there reaction out of curiousity?
SuperMario
*Catch me right at the act
Kaiser-Eoghan
And visually it is immersive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Made in abyss does depend currently on what its second season will deliver and it does start out in a way that you kind of need to make it passed the first few episodes to really get into it. But it flows better than the manga and THAT scene in the middle and Nanachi's backstory elevate the series to a higher level.
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BabyMario as in like super Mario world 2 =O
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=O BabyMario
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True (shameful) story: when I watched the finale of Made in Abyss, my housemate opened the door to ask me sth and she saw me sobbing like a baby
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Also being immortal would meant that I finally had enough time to finish all the games and series I am interested in.
Amagi
@Kaiser: the hate against immortality is overrated, I would totally be okay with observing history for centuries.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, it’s supposed to be the final one that closes the whole franchise
Kaiser-Eoghan
Theres going to be another euphonium movie next year.
Kaiser-Eoghan
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Kaiser-Eoghan
The soundtrack is pretty understated aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also quite naturalistic in how it uses/animates movements/body language.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I do wish that it went further than baiting the audience though.
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*is in
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I watched liz and the bluebird, the storybook segements give the film a certain magical feel to it, even if they feel obvious and on the nose, what this film achieves if in its silent, quiet and visual exposition rather than spoken words, its also more sensitive and low key than Euphonium.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gah, one of the gutting things about being into historical stuff or stuff about things that happened decades ago, is that I'll never be a direct witness to it as it happened. It'll never hit me as someone who lived through it. I having all the fun second hand.
SuperMario
Thanks, Amagi. They look pretty cool
Amagi
Why would I waste my time watching other people shopping or working. Not to mention that the scripted part turns everything worse than it usually is by shoving in terrible cringy moments everywhere to.. don't know. Entertain(?) the audience or something.
Amagi
I mean unless you want info dumps you watch fiction and you watch that because it makes you indirectly experience adventures you can't have in real life. Even when fiction is down to earth it's usually about special situations like the MC becoming a professional runner like in Kaze ga or something.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Me neither, especially because it seems to be the exact opposite of the reason why people consume media, and therefore fiction, in the first place.
Amagi
They probably used these in Irozuko because they look like're part of some J-RPG town.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I never really understood why reality television ever became a thing or how someone could give it any form of attention.
Amagi
Seems like they even have a wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trullo
Amagi
@SuperMario: It's some specific type of house that only exist in Apulia. https://cdn.getyourguide.com/img/tour_img-437617-146.jpg - the whole historic disctrict looks like that
Amagi
I shouldn't use so many brackets.
SuperMario
Trulli? What does that mean?
SuperMario
We have all kinds of international film festivals here. I watched Roma in the Latin Film Festival. Yeah that aspect I mus say that I feel lucky
Amagi
There are Trulli in one scene of this week's Irozuko (after they entered that painting), how funny. I just visited this city (Alberobello) last month.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: You are lucky, Roma gets a one day limited release here for one time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Just imagine going to the west of Ireland and asking them about the internet.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yes there are people turning up to the one art cinema we actually have. But Ireland is not a good place to be in general if you are a film/anime/gaming fan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
lol this country is incapable of giving a proper wide/long cinema release to anything that might even be considered slight non-mainstream.
SuperMario
*week-long
SuperMario
Well, we have a week-log screening here and I already lament how undeserving these films have. Guess I should be more appreciate now I know that other countries have 1-day screening only
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wonder if anyone started out in the light novel industry as a stepping stone before moving on to real book writing. I also wonder how easy it is to get published.
Anonymous3183156
Progressive is good from what I heard since he went back to his older material from a more mature outlook. Ordinal Scale is decent too coming from the same matured Kawahara.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sometimes there are re-showings, some cinemas will play Akira for the billionth time for example.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine seeing scenes like that being recorded in the recording booth would look quite strange.
Anonymous3183156
Apparently, he even apologized to the voice actress for being subjected to voice a rape scene, so I guess even he has deep regrets about it. The LN doesn't have any more moments like this so I guess he matured a lot.
Amagi
@Anon: The problem is that he was still a teen when he wrote Alicization, he just edited it a bit later. But I also wish he would have cut this scene, it's always so forced and feels so stupid.
Amagi
Pancreas has no subs yet AFAIK
Anonymous3183156
Ugh, ep10 of Alicinization reminded me why I disliked SAO so much years ago. I assume Kawahara still had some nasty tendencies in him when writing Alicinization despite being past his edgy teenage phase.
Amagi
@Kaiser: It's the same here too. One day screenings and that's it. I also believe that anime are made for everyone it's just that the West (save for France and Italy maybe) doesn't give anime a chance. They are sure people would never care so they rather die or air the same awful scripted reality show for the 5th time rather than try showing anime that could appeal to adults like Monster.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The anon might want to watch that though, a torrent of it recently got uploaded.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also Let me eat your pancreas wasn't shown here. But it was shown in Australia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although there are some films that America gets that we don't, the Heavens feel, the Madoka movies and Nanoha reflection showed in America but not here.
Amagi
@SuperMario: That would be great.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Anime films seem to appeal to normies aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I saw an older woman in my screening of Maquia and talked to her after it and she liked it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Again, I don't know about elsewhere, but what surprised me was the amount of people who are seeing these in the audience who don't actually come off as anime fans and probably aren't.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I'm genuinely surprised that my country would actually even go that far to even show them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't know about all the other countries that get showings for these anime films, but here its a one day only thing each time one comes out.
SuperMario
Reviewig anime movies/ making posts about them might be something I can do in the future
SuperMario
@amagi: anime movies are somethingn I wanna raise more awareness as well. Normally each year there are 4,5 solid anime films out there, but like you said they’re hardly discussed
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've never heard of UFO no natsu.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I felt bad for the little girl in grave of the fireflies, the boy was already caught up though in "muhfascistempire is goat tier" for me to care about him as much as her.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Air movie was more focused, better paced and visually directed with more panache than the show.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I have gone to almost every anime screening since the early 2000s and continue to.
Amagi
And many have barely any sort of advertising so I only notice them coincidentally by seeing a thread on /a/ or because I see some screenshot somewhere.
Amagi
Speaking of it there are so many great anime movies every year but nobody ever talks about them because the fans are split between those who see the screenings (that happen randomly depending on the country) and those who watch it a year later on their PC.
Amagi
I also found Hotori sad but it's ages old and I never met anyone who cared about it besides myself. Also, Hanbun no Tsuki and UFO no natsu although these were 6 part ova. Colourful probably too and the Key movies. I actually like all these movies like Air or Clannad but I didn't like the series that much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think ultimately its the patience some of these sad films are made with that allows then to eventually land their effect.
SuperWooper
It takes a while to get to that point, though.
SuperWooper
"The Wind Rises" is pretty damn sad.
SuperMario
Well, Grave of Fireflies hands down. or Your Lie in April if you don't mind TV show
Amagi
Then basically everything from Shinkai for example.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: You may need to let us now what type of drama you're into, are you okay with highly melodramatic stories?
Anonymous3180985
if so anybody have any good sad anime movies?
Anonymous3180985
anybody here?
Amagi
The more we approach xmas time the more it rains in my city. Like every year.
Amagi
Didn't know that guess I try this someday I love this setting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The most recent thing I've watched dealing with a created/artificial/virtual world was an old German mini series called World on a wire by Rainer Fassbinder.
Amagi
Wonder about the consequences these last scenes in Gridman will have.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I finally got around to Aki Kaurasamaki's films, watched I hired a contract killer, I like dry, sad bastard black humour like that and even when it wasn't being amusing I enjoyed the whole quirky tone throughout it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I decided to watch season 2 of sound euphonium before getting to liz and the bluebird. I would like to see more of this. I guess I liked Asuka's arc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think bloom into you has stood out in how its dealt with Nanami's insecurities and backstory, found myself liking that one side character Sayaka more. There will be an arc where they do some kind of play which compliments/links in well with nanami's character.
Animosh
But yeah, I agree the series has great character writing. In hindsight, it's kind of a shame you picked Irozuku over Bloom into You. It had a great premiere and some stunning scenes, but the characters are so incredibly droll that there's just not much to write about. They're both slow burns, but Bloom into You gives you much more to think about.
Animosh
So I think the crossing the line thing is ambiguous between your interpretation and Yuu's subconscious fear that if she initiates things, displays her affection towards Nanami (and a passionate kiss that Yuu initiates certainly seems to qualify), then that will be the end of things. Actually, it's probably a bit of both.
Animosh
@SuperMario: I think Yuu is also aware that Nanami does not want Yuu to fall in love with her (I mean, it's hard not to after that death stare). And as a result she can never initiate things, because showing affection would undermine the whole reason Nanami fell in love with her. And Yuu obviously does not want this relationship to end.
Anonymous3177625
Did uh that really happen in BF? Probably not, but dang if that really was the case then stuff got real
SuperMario
@Animosh: the thing is Yuu takes the special attraction from Nanami for granted, and her mode is that she “doesn’t hate” it. She doesn’t hate it when she spends time alone with Nanami, she doesn’t hate it when they kiss. So for Yuu, when Nanami askes her to actively do it, it’a the first time Yuu feels like she’s crossing the line. Some really great character writing there
Anonymous3175137
It boils down to a female-targeted version of those moe shows that I don't care about all that much. Just replace the cute girls with hot boys.
Anonymous3175137
Compared to Katsugeki, where it tried to sell the series as something more than just a mobile adaptation and tried to court non-fans, here I got exactly what I expected; something safe and predictable, and catering exclusively to fans. So I got nothing out of it.
Anonymous3175137
Is there some sort of moe equivalent for male characters? Because this show probably counts as one. otoh, my feelings towards it are like most CGDCT anime: indifference.
Anonymous3175137
I think the oddest thing I did regarding anime this year was how I sat through both season of Touken Ranbu Hanamaru (including the one that aired earlier this winter), and didn't claw my eyes out when it's basically an unfortunate mix of a mobile game adaptation and a CBDCT show mixed in with some action segments to show that it's not just a pure estrogen-fest.
Animosh
I should also note that I don't relate to her in every way. I understand her difficulties with falling in love, but for me the problem is more that my view on love is too negative, and as a result I'm hesitant about taking the "leap of faith" that any relationship requires. Love is messy, and may well get you hurt, so it's easier to observe things from a distance, like Maki for example.
Animosh
Oh Yuu is definitely frustrating to watch. Her idealized conception of love prevents her from seeing what is obvious to everyone watching: that she's slowly developing feelings for Touko. And when those feelings evidently turn into love, instead of seeing them for what they are, she's in denial and insists that her feelings aren't special enough to be called "love". It's frustrating.
SuperMario
Then again, I can't really say why Bloom into You works for me now, but kept me in a distance in their first few episodes. It's slow-burn, and when you think back to it, not a lot has been happening. But I feel they haven't made any wrong step yet
SuperMario
Can't say I relate to Yuu thou. She's the kind of character that in real life I would find really frustrated, and I know many of my friends behave that way. That just to further demonstrates how real these characters can be. Even the side characters, Sayaka and the lesbian adult couple work well for me.
SuperMario
@Aminosh: it took awhile for me to fully embrace Bloom into You (I say about episode 5,6) but I agree it's getting very solid now. it reminds me of Scums Wish as well, mainly because how twisted romance can be
Animosh
I'm also worried it won't end in a satisfying way, since the manga is still ongoing. But otherwise I quite like it. It has its problems, but if you go into it with the right expectations (slow pacing, complex and flawed characters that make for an unusual love story, with more focus on the characters' psychological issues than their sexuality) there's a lot to enjoy.
Animosh
My only major complaint is that its characters can feel rather artificial sometimes. Touko in particular is a victim of this. She's such a weird bundle of complexes that she can be hard to relate to. Maybe it'll be better explained later on, but the whole idea of falling in love with another person because you think she'll be incapable of reciprocating it ... it's weird.
Animosh
I particularly like Yuu. I can empathize with her difficulties with falling in love, and I like her arc of slowly "blooming into" liking another person. It feels natural and earned. And like in SSSS.Gridman, the direction is surprisingly strong, and as a result it mostly nails its key moments (the river confrontation, the shed starting shot, etc).
Animosh
I finally caught up with Bloom into You, and it really surpassed my expectations. It kind of reminds me of Scum's Wish, with how flawed its characters are, and how selfish and unreasonable they can be. But like in Scum's Wish, instead of condemning the characters for their flaws, we're given the background to understand them, and they're not used for forced melodrama but sympathetically explored.
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