Posted by psgels on 22 March 2010 with categories: Sora no Oto



Sora no Oto is another one of those ‘don’t by fooled by its looks’-shows. Sure, it may have the same character-designer as K-On, but its content is completely different. Instead it takes place Switzerland, in some sort of mysterious post-apocalyptic world of a threatening war and child soldiers. It tells the story of a military outpost, which can sometimes be quiet and laid-back, but at others dark and powerful.

This series has really been one of the very few series that can boast an original storyline nowadays. In 12 episodes, it paints the picture of a mysterious setting in which a ton of stuff happened in the past, and it’s truly at its best when it can flesh out this setting. It’s amazing how well detailed it describes the village that everything in this series takes place in, and the story that lies behind it. It leaves a lot to your imagination: it doesn’t reveal everything, but instead relies on the viewers to piece together all of the clues.

The characters themselves also have imaginative backgrounds. Through the series I liked how they first start out as those seemingly annoying moe stereotypes, but ended up developing in sympathetic ones. My personal favourite was the Felicia episode, which was a true triumph in storytelling. The slice of life is also very imaginative and has an interesting presentation, rather than trying to rip off the ton of other slice of life series that exist out there.

With a series that’s completely original, you’d expect that the creators would have the perfect opportunity to create a story that fits that 12 episodes that it consists of perfectly. But, now. The creators took too much on their plate and tried to be way too epic for their own good. If the characters didn’t somehow end up standing at the centre of a huge war, then it would have been significantly better. Instead, this show is stuck with an utterly terrible ending that doesn’t just fail to answer some of the most important questions, it’s utterly cheesy, nonsensical and furthermore it destroys a ton of build-up that the previous episodes tried to create so pain-stakingly. It’s a huge step beyond a simple ‘disappointing ending’.

In the meantime however, A-1 are showing more and more what an excellent production company they can be. This series looks utterly gorgeous, and the animation is vivid and imaginative, with especially the backgrounds being really well drawn.

But yeah, in the end this remains a series that went too epic than what was good for it. It’s a shame, I really liked it in the beginning, but for me, it left a nasty bad taste behind in its final minutes. I’m still recommending this show for its first two thirds, but just be aware that this show can’t fulfill the things it promises.

Storytelling: 8/10 – Very solid writing in the first two thirds. Last third is too rushed. Bad ending.
Characters: 8/10 – Interesting development, but some get taken a bit too far.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Beautiful animation and background art; the best OP of the past season.
Setting: 8/10 – Incomplete, but fascinating and well detailed.

21 Responses

  1. Maureen says:

    You can’t review the series yet. There’s still another ep to go, next week.

  2. Kiseki says:

    It doesn’t have the same character designer as K-ON. :/

  3. m says:

    Sora no Oto appears to me to have tried to serve too many masters. There are signs of trying to tap into the success of K-ON, and that gives us much of what wasn’t novel about the show: the generic characters, the hot spring, the panties and groping, some of the side-adventures, etc. A lot of what is disappointing in the show, I think, comes from these portions.
    They also tried to build the story into a game that, while not quite a mystery, would leave little hints that were vague enough to keep the audience guessing. Some, like the bootlegging being hinted at, were cleverly misleading. Even when the revelations strained credulity, there was some preceding clue that had been left dangling. This gave the show a lot of moving parts, and along with the introduction of an assortment of disposable characters, left the show open to a lot of different directions up until the last third of it. This was the part of the show that I found most fun. I didn’t necessarily care for where the story would go, but they had me thinking they were playing eleven-dimensional red herring.
    I think they also tried to indulge themselves with all of the references. There are signs of a lot of research put into this show in history, art history, and the construction of Seize and the area around it. If making a lot of references to other things made a show entertaining, they would have had the most entertaining show around. Period weapons, the use of English, French and German, the setting of Helvetica, the imagery for the maidens, the myths, and even the use of “New Britain” to invoke “Amazing Grace” to reinforce the theme of redemption.
    They also snag some science fiction credit, with the post-apocalyptic world that is difficult to pin the point of divergence from our own, because of all of the different historical references and the futuristic technology. The world was the most interesting aspect of the show for me, and the one I thought got the shortest thrift. Episode nine was the peak and the end of fleshing out the why of the world. I think it was the best episode of the show.
    The other leg, the leg that comes back in a rush at the end to club us in the head, is the status of the show as a war drama. This throws a wrench into the pacing of the show, because by the time the armistice between Rome and Helvetica begins to deteriorate there’s very little time left. It’s the weakest aspect of show, and if they had focused on the war in the past tense and only dangled the threat of future conflict instead of thrusting the remote fort into the middle of the political intrigue it would have fared better. (A bit less exciting, but it would have given them more time to explore the issue of redemption in a serious way, instead of how it was really handled).

    The show had a lot of things going on, and many of the ones that were novel showed potential, but overall I’m not sure there was ever a complete picture of what the show would do (or if there was, that all of it could fit into such a tight time budget), and as a result its potential was buried under a pile things that weren’t very interesting.

    For the visuals, the backgrounds and the color design were pretty good. The animation quality was a little inconsistent. Sometimes it was great, and other times they just panned over stills. That’s life on a budget, though.

    Prior to the twelfth episode I was still holding out a little hope that they would just end the show open with some hope for doing another season in which they could better flesh out the good parts of the show and jettison the weaker elements, but I’m not sure how worthwhile that would be now.

  4. m says:

    ‘shrift’ not ‘thrift’
    If I proofread what I typed into the tiny boxes of the web client, maybe it would be readable once in a while.

    Apologies for the spammy posting.

  5. riddle says:

    Hmm, the ending was not dissapointing for me at least. this is anime dude, some endings might not be real life enough. so what if its rush, the ending was pretty good, giving the last episode a bad mark is not very fair

  6. Alec says:

    most of the episodes were phenomenal, but the ending is pretty normal too me… *sigh…. i thought that they would pull sumthin crazy again in the last episode, which they’ve always done in the pevious episodes, but this time, they didnt -_-…still the anime is still amazing…we didnt expect this anime to be soooo amazing….this anime is what you would call the “DARK HORSE”

    still a SAD ending FOR ME…not the anime…but to ME

  7. PhantomX says:

    Riddle, unreasonable or unreal endings aren’t bad if the anime is built around continuous suspension of disbelief (I mean, look at Gurren Lagann, that show has some of the most retarded stuff ever going on in it, and the ending is fine because it’s established that that’s how it’s going to be). This show, for the most part, was grounded in realism or at least pretending to be realistic, so an unrealistic ending is jarring and unfitting.

    That’s similar to the problem I had with Code Geass (which took it to a much greater extreme). They had some “super genius” with a super eyeball masterminding plans while making the most stupid/retarded mistakes (particularly memorable to me is when he jokingly says to kill all the japanese people… like, wtf, who uses that as an example? -_-) and people getting blown up by a nuke and surviving, while trying to be serious in the meantime.

  8. Joojoobees says:

    In the end, I’m glad this one is over. It did not live up to my hopes for it (which is probably my fault). I agree with much of what M says, and psgels’ appraisal that they tried to be too epic. The ideas, such as showing military life in a remote stronghold, were good. The show was occasionally quite stylish. It just seemed like they tried too much to really pull it all off in the end.

  9. psgels psgels says:

    Maureen: there is? According to ANN there are only 12.

    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11023

    kiseki: heh, I could have sworn that that was the cse.

  10. MsteaK says:

    Stopped taking this seriously the moment they sent a bunch of girls in a ‘desolated’ town that acts as a buffer in an armistice. Not exactly something I can buy when it’s incredibly stupid.

  11. Son Gohan says:

    Next week they will air a “making of” Sora no Woto, so the story is really over, barring the two DVD-only episodes, which I suppose will not impact the storyline much.
    I think that psgels was a bit harsh on the ending. The whole series stressed the importance of Amazing Grace for all of the girls, so I would have been surprised if it DIDN’T play a big part in the finale. For me that scene required a reasonable suspension of disbelief. After all it wasn’t Kanata who stopped the war, it was Rio-hime with a signed peace treaty.

  12. Typewriter says:

    Of course, it’s easy to say “the war is stopped by a trumpet play lol” and makes it sound ridiculous. That ignores other aspects like that nobody supports the war in the first place and that the trumpet actually only stalls it and not singlehandedly ends it Macross-style.

    Likewise, psgels, the episode you call a triumph in storytelling I actually consider a generic tragedy-insertion and infodump. Doesn’t stop it from being enjoyable due to presentation, though.

    I thought it’s you yourself who say to look beyond outer premise and see how it’s actually executed. I fear that you put your expectations on the wrong places to fail doing that for the last episode.

  13. PhantomX says:

    They never showed the song being important to anyone outside of the girls. Not to mention that the CIVILIANS don’t support the war (aren’t fighting), but the people that stormed their castle were more than quick to shoot at a Roman soldier, so saying no one wanted to fight b/c one dude missed his g/f or the civilians opposed it is silly.

  14. Nobody says:

    This blog has officially become the home of all anime armchair commenters.

    Seriously, what’s up with all the overanalyzing, saying stuff like “IT NEEDED MORE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT”, “IT NEEDS SOMETHING CALLED A BUILD UP”.

    What’s up with this… I used to like this blog, but now it relies basically on oversimplifying the storytelling process. Dumbing down the reviewing process, basically.

    Some of you might complain about formulaic anime. I’ll complain about formulaic anime reviewers/commenters.

  15. PhantomX says:

    Believe it or not, some people like to watch anime for the story telling and character development, not for the little girls playing soldier. As such, that’s what we criticize the most when it lets us down.

    It wouldn’t even matter, if this wasn’t perfectly avoidable. They could’ve devoted the telephone/peeing myself episode to coming to a better conclusion.

    No one’s going to stop you from leaving, so by all means go. Meanwhile we’ll continue to keep our good tastes and expectations high when a show makes us believe we should have high expectations for it.

  16. PL says:

    Phantom, lol …right on

    Nobody…the quality of the writing and variety of expression on this blog has improved by orders of magnitude since he started. Just read something he reviewed in 06 if you doubt me. Used to be, if psgels liked a show’s animation and didn’t call it “a visual feast” I would have doubted it was a post by psgels.
    BUT, at the same time when you’ve reviewed hundreds upon hundreds of shows and made thousands of blog posts about those shows, and the shows themselves tend to follow certain patterns of storytelling closely, then of course some things are going to sound “formulaic”. In a way, though, that is a benefit instead of a problem with the blog. I’ve read enough reviews here now and then watched those series/movies to know EXACTLY what psgels means when he says a show “lacked character development”, I understand EXACTLY what the difference in quality between a show that gets a score of 85 and one that gets a 92, I get EXACTLY, on an intuitive level what psgels means when he says that a show blew its sense of believability. But, here is where this blog has ALWAYS excelled: ready? here it is… psgels gives detailed, concrete reasons for liking or disliking any aspect of a show, he lays out the pros and cons of any given show he reviews, and this is something he’s made a conscious effort to improve in his writing over the years, specifically focusing on nailing down his exact reasons for feeling a certain way about a show. So, I dunno what you’re bitching about, but think before you call someone’s reviews formulaic. Hell, the two most popular movie critics in the US, Ebert and Roper (Siskel and Ebert when I was a kid) have their reviews reduced to a gesture of the thumbs, but I don’t think anyone calls their criticism “formulaic”, and for similar reasons: they make a concrete argument showing their line of reasoning for arriving at a certain position on a movie, just as psgels does with his anime reviews.

  17. Firechick says:

    Aren’t there going to be DVD-only episodes showing up later?

  18. Son Gohan says:

    It is speculated that Amazing Grace could be the hymn of the unified forces that fought the Angels in ancient times. This would explain why the song was stored in Takemikazuchi’s memory and why both Romans and Helvetians know it.
    It was also the signature song of the revered hero Princess Iriya, so it’s not farfetched to assume that Amazing Grace holds a high value among Helvetian soldiers. Yes, this is a case where dramatic effect takes precedence over complete realism but it’s not that much unbelievable.

  19. Bruce says:

    The trumpet song wasn’t that unrealistic. In fact I’d go so far to say that the girls really didn’t achieve anything with that song. The battle would have ended one way or another. Because of Rio’s actions they had a peace treaty signed and all they really had to do was bring it into the field. The trumpet at best only stalled the battle for maybe ten minutes.

    The ending was a letdown, yes. But I personally don’t feel it was as unrealistic as most people felt it was.

  20. Reltair says:

    I don’t think the ending was abysmal. There’s nothing wrong with having an ideal, but cliche ending. The setting/background makes it feel like it came from a storybook, so what’s wrong with having a storybook ending?

  21. inkka says:

    Yeah…What a pity that you ruined good show with your opinion at the ending.

    For me this series is very good. At first sight. I think it’s the some of generic moe slice of life show. But..when I see the story the one thing that I want to say. Wow..

    It’s very unique story for anime nowadays. When I watch this anime. I’m very feel refreshing. The war and the thing that affect people.(The main girls is the obvious way to describe why it was affected).
    And It’s worked at the ending.Because people is enough at that. They’re happy to see the war didn’t happened again.(And It’s the best way to ending this series too. because It’s this series theme. War is for past. The future is for peace !)

    And I love this series that although It has only 12eps.(OK it has special eps in DVD. but for most people this series end in this ep).It can delivery and make every main character didn’t look flat and much more likeable at the end. They have past. Thay have character development. And their past is very good and well told.

    Ah.. almost forget to tell about the setting.This series is very few series that I told that I love it because good setting. Their world is interesting. It look so mystery. but at sametime it look like our world at the past.(some reference with our world make it more interesing).

    And at Art section somehow I want to say K-on Character design worked and look pro at the end.and can mixed with gorgeous background that this series had nicely.

    The last.. that song..Amazing grace!! I love that song too much. I don’t know but when I hear this. I feel the grand that this song have. Very good choice for creator to choose this song to play important role in this series.

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Vonter
Then there's the franchise appeal. Which inherently gains something because of persistence, awareness and name. It is hard when great visual effort is mainly put in things that are guaranteed to be a hit, because original stuff tend to make mistakes to find their own identity. Which in itself makes them very risky affairs.
Vonter
It's also a heavy flaw of the internet, having mainly binary opinions of good or bad. Which makes it hard to tell if you'll like something in the 7s like Nier or Alien 3 (might not be a 7 but opinions make it sound like it is). Divisive products that may or not may suit one's tastes.
Vonter
Personally I think the issue has become what suits your tastes, what are you willing to give a chance and what hits beyond the medium it is presented.
Vonter
@AidanAK47 "Manga in general is great but Jesus Christ the industry is a mess". - I mean, movies, games, and other entertainment have the same issue, since everyone has a big slice of the pie, yet there are like a million things competing for one's attention.
SuperMario
On that note, apart from the 3 shows I'n currently covering (Eccentric Family, Tsuki ga Kirei and ID-0), I will give a full review on Grimoire of Zero, a show that I feel rather difficult to pinpoint exactly on its quality.
SuperMario
Can't believe we approaching the final week of this current season. Gonna be a busy week of blogging with the usual weekly posts plus the final impressions.
SuperMario
@Anon1206174: I agree with you on both counts. And Sakura Quest has never been bad, but it could have been deeper and less messy. If you plan to watch ID-0 (I suggest you do), don't get your expectation too high because it works much better when you expect nothing of it. Like each episode I was genuinely surprised how good ID-0 actually is.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember one of Aidan's visual novel posts where he said theres potentially hundreds of VNs un-translated and LNs too, makes me wonder just how much un-translated manga we are missing out on.
Anonymous1206174
The ID-o posts sound pretty interesting, I am really thinking of dropping Sakura and watching this instead. Really loved the beginnign of Sakura and that abandoned town atmosphere it had, but I am not feeling it anymore. The recent episode about Shiori was great again though..
Kaiser-Eoghan
*looking
Then again he's an extremely forgetable person.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh Godammit, looing back over my comments I meant to say Souta not Setsuna, I suck at remembering non-English names.
Anonymous1205999
Meh - I really like this season but I already have my first cases of 'good-show-disappointing-ending/second half'
Anonymous1206022
KT Here:RE:Creators , we need to know more about the rules for Altair to see if that works. It might, and it might not. With what they know they have a good plan. But I was thinking why not just do a Super Smash Bros type game with the characters? I am sure that would generate enough stuff in order to lock her.
SuperMario
On Re:Creators, I find a better solution instead of going all cross-media like the show suggests. Someone could just make some fan-fiction on Altair that purposely show her weakness (like get busted when expose to the sun, or the magic word that render her skills useless). Less efforts, more effective
SuperMario
Man, I agree wholeheartedly with what KT said here: mass media actually sells, so it keeps the industry to a more stable position; then the art-house/more adult oriented anime can have some freedom to do what they like.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its more that I have to read it all at the same time as expecting action to come , it might change my mind if I watched it in English.
Anonymous1205580
KT here: I accept the mass media because it raises the funds for the less mainstream stuff I like. That is how I make my peace.

On RE:Creators. I get what you guys say. But for some reason I do not find the exposition heavy in this series. Every person has his own limit I guess
Alonaria
@Kaiser: Yep, that sounds about right, lol. I take my Sheldon in concentrated doses. I might give the Young Sheldon spin off an episode or two because it's highly exaggerated but still somewhat relatable to me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel big bang theory is a show for people who know nothing about nerds/nerd culture to find funny.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And then theres this thing about Sheldon being some kind of autism spectrum thing , which is kind of annoying to hear when I am on the spectrum myself and never really found the character all that amusing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Probably not the strongest reason to go off a show but, it was people around me going on and on about big bang theory that eventually put me off it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
lol is it any surprise Miura and the hunter x hunter guy take so many breaks =P
Alonaria
*Sheldon
Alonaria
I pick and choose Big Bang episodes that I enjoy. Shelden in the ball pit never ceases to amuse me. Still, it's definitely overrated haha.
Lenlo
IT Crowd > Modern Big Bang. Early Big Bang was good.

And yes, the work conditions in the Manga Industry are terrible. Oda, One Piece Mangaka, works stupid hours. He requests his assistances be "Willing to die for One Piece" because of the amount of work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And hell yeah"! someone else thats hates on big bang theory.
IT crowd > big bang.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*more safer
Kaiser-Eoghan
And yet now here I am at same time, I think it might be kind of a shame that I can't see the value and fun anymore in some less safer offerings.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I thinking I might go insane if I looked up comments defending the visuals in occultic; nine.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hate to say it but sometimes opinions, mainstream ones are actually wrong. Its a fact that superhero films have bad action scenes and cinematography and Hardboiled, a chinese action film is better filmed in terms of choreography.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As dickish as this is to say, I really do recoil when ssomeone says something like the Notebook or fifty shades is the best film of all time/their favourite.
Kaiser-Eoghan
See theres also factoring in the people whos favourite film or anime of all is the most recent they finished.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember mentioning recently that I was re-watching the twilight zone, the response I got was "I thought that you were talking about twilight"
Kaiser-Eoghan
See thats whats so great about being able to talk about more niche stuff online, theres an easier to find common ground.
AidanAK47
In general when it comes to mass popular opinion it's the tried and true safe stuff that ends up selling. The highest selling Mario games are the New Super Mario ones. The same generic Light novel and harems keep selling. There are plenty of examples but majority opinion tends to gravitate to the safe and familiar.
Kaiser-Eoghan
See, most (offline) people (and or teenagers)who aren't really all that interested in film or don't look into it that much will turn out for things like fifty shades, transformers or twilight, thats why those are popular. Most people aren't going to watch something made more than a few years ago or subtitled.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh...lol fuck thats a blunder...yes I meant Re:creators.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But by all means, people are fully entitled to like what they like. But there is a reason why so much rubbish gets popular.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Re:Creators.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As someone who would actually consider themselves creative and interested in things being imaginative I really do hate the whole anti-creativity /anti-art, anti-intelligence movement and way of thinking that allows un-deservedly popular things like what Aidan mentioned to fester.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yes Re:zero's poor pacing and leaden dialogue is becoming too dominant and there should be more action, its good Setsuna opened up, but I still don't particularly like him.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine the magazines/editors probably consider themselves the writers sometimes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Pretty sure I only read nisekoi because I was keeping up with conversations about it, then dropped it before the Chitoge doublie showed up, just stopped reading.
AidanAK47
On the matter of Re:Creators, I feel the same as the Anon said. I find the exposition to just drone on far too much.
AidanAK47
On the matter of the manga industry being shit...it is. Manga in general is great but Jesus Christ the industry is a mess. Work conditions are utterly abhorrent and it's even worse that most series live or die based on a magazine popularity poll.
Because just because something is popular, does not mean it is quality. Example: Transformers, Twilight, Fifty shades, Sword Art Online, Big Bang theory
AidanAK47
@Anon, Still not getting your logic here. I mean if I have a problem with it after trying it then why am I not allowed to complain about it? Anyway it is only popular for the pandering. Even those who like Nisekoi admit that it's a mediocre harem and they mainly enjoy the waifu wars on the internet.
SuperMario
and now we will resort to illegal streaming sites for this one. "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem", this f*cking true
SuperMario
Huh? Welcome to the Ballroom Anime Gets Amazon Prime-Only Streaming Inside and Outside Japan. Now that just unbearable
SuperMario
Don't know about this new Re:Creators episode since I haven't watched it, but I don't really mind Meteora. Her dialogues scream "exposition" but she still fits well to the story. The fights are good, I agree, but why didn't they go all the way with the world's collapse last episode?
Anonymous1202407
Whether Nisekoi is pandering or not, it is not enough proof for you to suggest that manga industry is shit. If u want good mainstream then its not that hard to find. Also for every success like Nisekoi which u claim to be pandering, there are dozen like it that failed to be popular. Why? Because it clearly is popular for a reason other than just simple pandering.
SuperMario
Ha, Ping Pong. I need that kind of show again in my life.
Lenlo
Also, Ping Pong is amazing.
Lenlo
Theres a difference between pandering to a large audience, and an anime/manga with a quality story that everyone ends up liking. Ive always found moe shows and things like Nisekoi to be the former.
Anonymous1202407
If you have a problem with it after trying it just dont read it. Its that simple. Also what a surprise that a show like nisekoi that appeals to a large demographic is popular. U want the mangaka to apologize it's not some art house story like Ping Pong?
Lenlo
Meteora is pretty hit or miss with her dialogue imo. Sometimes its great, othertimes its not. I can say though I enjoy most of the fights.
Anonymous1202113
I really want to like Re:Creators. To be honest though, I'm getting tired of the dialogue. It has its high points, but it sometimes just seems to drone on and on, especially with all of Meteora's "hypotheses."
KT
Both Bahamut and RE:Creators had great episodes. But I was indeed mentally screaming Super Smash Bros at RE:Creators. You will get the point when you watch the episode.
AidanAK47
Taken on it's own, Nisekoi is harmless. But it is undeniably proof that you need not be creative or innovative to succeed in the industry. In fact declaring creative bankruptcy could turn more fruitful than genuine effort.
AidanAK47
And I said how can you decide you don't like something if you haven't read it?
Of course you are likely mean that if you don't like something then give up on reading it further which of course does not mean that someone cannot complain about it regardless.
Anonymous1198985
No, Im said if you dont like nisekoi dont read it
AidanAK47
@Anon, How do you know you don't like it if you don't read it?
Anonymous1196967
Don't like it don't read it.
AidanAK47
I went and read Double Arts. This really was a great manga with tons of potentail and truly didn't deserve the axe. It's so depressing that this was cut off so soon and the author went on to make the most generic Harem ever Nisekoi, and that got over 200 chapters.
Lenlo
All of the important dance scenes for Yuri were fantastic, its just some minor one off characters and some reused ones that were an issue, so no they are better than the CGI
Anonymous1190387
Is it worse than those CGI dance scenes in some anime?
AidanAK47
@Puran, It is pretty surprising how well that story turns out. I say IG might do the job even if there animation isn't the most consistent. The one thing I am worried about is those necks though. In the PV those things were ridiculously long.
Puran
Fair enough, recycling the animation was bad, agreed. But the animation itself was really good.
Lenlo
See, I found the repeated dances in Yuri one of the worse parts. Alot of it was recycled animation and certain characters were obviously rushed/not done. Some were amazing, cause they took their time, but others looked terrible.
Puran
I kinda wish Mappa was doing the anime though. Yuri on Ice had really nicely animated dances (and was more or less the only actually good quality of that show :P )
Puran
Reading the Ballroom e Youkoso manga has made me really excited about the Anime.
Kaiser_Eoghan
@Aidan: I'm particularly turned off by bully/bullying cliches these days. I've only read the first two volumes to see how awful she was but I ended up simply losing track of the series and stopped reading.
Kaiser_Eoghan
@Mario: Actually that has changed, I had to pick a different day to see it given changes in schedule, I've booked it for NEXT Wednesday now. I've watched Akira about four times.
AidanAK47
Oh, Rising of the Shield Hero is getting an anime adaption. Hmmm...honestly after finishing the series and looking over it as a whole I am not sure I even want that. Plus seeing Bitch Animated...would fill me with rage.
SuperMario
I intend to re-watch Akira soon, probably this weekend. It has been almost 10 years since my first watch and now I don't remember much about that one. Thought it was intriguing and complex but not as acclaimed as people hyped it to be (I'll pick Ghost in the Shell anytime). Wonder how I'd feel now after re-watching it.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I remember you mentioned that you were going to watch In this Corner of the World today right? How was the movie Kaiser?
Lenlo
Oh cool, food wars is getting a 3rd season
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ballroom youkoso appears to be leading the polls.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Fumiko is a female mangaka yes. Also I found bokura no hentai worth reading.
SuperMario
yep, I finished that manga too and I have conflicted feeling about it. Yuri(!) part and fanservice are to blatant but they have a purpose. This mangaka (not sure but I think she's a girl) has some unique voice.
AidanAK47
....well I skimmed that manga. And it was weird
SuperMario
By all appearances,Sakura is normal,albeit sheltered junior high school girl who enjoy talking about love and walking home from school together.However,they also happen to inhabit a strange and supernatural world populated by mysterious,gigantic beings and unusual plant and animal life.Amid their peaceful lives,Sakura becomes very interested in something only alluded to exist in old books: dicks
SuperMario
Here's a synopsis of other manga from the same author, I think you'll have a better idea of his theme -
Sakura no Sono
AidanAK47
Pretty much what Masky said. I am not really praising it. Anyway I plan to read one or two more chapters to see where it's going. But if it's going in the direction I think it's going then I am dropping this one fast.
Kaiser_Eoghan
There is of course the underlying concern that it will go a very ugly route with that development or it could become edgy/horribly minipulative, but for now it is as mario said, a hook.
SuperMario
Well. overall I don't dislike what I read there. It has good hook and I'm intrigued to know more what the hell will happen. Good set-up for me. I'm in
SuperMario
@Masky: it's fine Masky, since I will chec itk out any way and see it for myself ^^
Masky
So since you guys started being interested, I checked it out and uh.. Yeah, not reading. I think ye guys misunderstood Aidans warnings since that was just fucked up and not in the interesting way.
Lenlo
@Aidan: Berserk will never again go more than 3-4 months without a hiatus.
SuperMario
Hmmm, that manga Cutie Mutie sounds good to me. I might check it out later today
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: But had you not alluded to that scene, I may have seen the cover of that manga and skipped over it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I had a feeling, sort of, sad, I am intrigued to read more.
AidanAK47
Hyping and warning are not the same thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well with Aidan hyping up the horrors of cutie mutie I may as well glance at it to see what he' on about.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There are three manga with the name rec.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am familiar with the artist for cutie mutie, she did that manga about the three kids dealing with gender/orientation issues.
AidanAK47
Oh look Berserk is on Haitus again....
.....the sad thing is that it comes as expected now.
AidanAK47
For reference the two I read were Cutie Mutie and Rec. Be warned, the first one goes to a rather uncomfortable level.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Read two manga. One started lighthearted and then went to really dark territory. The other one looks like it's about a really dark subject but turned out to be something more lighthearted.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Alright. Tested it now so it such be fixed. Try again.
Masky
@Aidan: Huh? What you read that turned dark/didn't turn dark? .-.
SuperMario
"too many answers selected for question 1! only 3 answers allowed!"
SuperMario
@Aidan: I still have the same issues. Weird
AidanAK47
@Mario, Wasn't my intent. Try it now and you should be able to pick as many as you want.
SuperMario
@Aidan: I'm not allowed to vote more than 3 votes. Is it your intention Aidan?
AidanAK47
Well that was weird. I read something that looked innocent but turned out to be really dark. Then something that looked really dark only to become innocent.
Masky
Yeah, nothing that interests me I see :D Like my strongest reaction to season preview was "Someone made isekai with smartphone? Really? REALLY? Thats best idea you had"
Masky
Ah Knighs and Magic, found that manga. It was boring enough for me to forget its name. Also besides being boring, I kinda find MC unlikeable since their only personality is that they like mechas and were a programmer before renicarnating as short bishie kid
Masky
Woo, time to vote stuff
SuperMario
@Kaiser: that movie In this Corner just getting more and more acclaimed huh? Thou I think it'a a type of movie that if you have high expectation for it you will likely be disappointed. It works best as a sleeper hit
SuperMario
As for cute monster girls, most of the time I don't find them cute at all. I know I'm being racist, but...
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I'm guilty with that cute girls genre, as i enjoyed K-On tremedously for example. Or If I have more time I'd follow Hinako Note this season ^^
Kaiser-Eoghan
They don't always adapt all that well or work as well outside of manga format, especially 4-komas.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*three
Kaiser-Eoghan
The only two of any interest were hidamari sketch, azumanga daioh and yuru yuri and that was largely down to being in the mood for them a few years ago.
Lenlo
@Mario: Personally, I have 0 interest in this Monster girls doing cute things subgenre, just like I have very little interest in the cute girls doing cute things major genre.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: As it turns out I DID read in this corner of the world. I'll also be seeing it next thursday.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: at this moment I'm very skeptical with the whole Monster girls doing cute girl subgenre, so I'm approachig Centaur with a caution. Of course, it all depends on how I feel after the first episode
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Happy End isn't as bleak aa his other works. But it's certainly Hanake's films, as it explores many of his favorite themes: the voyeurist of camera in his Benny's video, the detachment to the world and the underlying violence. Not his best thou but it's still very good
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think I'd be up for watching jigoku shojo, its been a long time since I watched the original two seasons and this one won't be as long, so it won't get as repetitive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I voted centaur no nanami on the poll, think Mario could cover it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: How did did you get on with Happy end? I heard its like a mix of his best works. Is it as dark and depressing?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have vague memories of in the corner of the worlds manga, unless I'm mixing it up with something else.
SuperMario
Some news, Lu Over the Wall won the best prize at this year's Annecy (the 1st anime won the award since 1995's Pom Poko), with In the Corner of the World took the Jury Prize. Quite a good showing for anime this year.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Hello.
SuperMario
Really, still no vote for Kakegurui?? I thought it would take the top poll for sure
SuperMario
That 18if, even the poster doesn't make much sense, but it looks dazzling ^^
Lenlo
go-go licensed products!
SuperMario
@Lenlo: and Madhouse is the studio behind that Marvel rip-off. Are they really going that low for profits?
Lenlo
Lookin forward to Kakeguri next season, but thats the only thing thats really caught my eye
Lenlo
Well, you have to watch Marvel next season right?
AidanAK47
And done. I swear these previews take a lot out of me.
AidanAK47
Almost done....almost done...
KT
Attack of Titan, ended ok. But man the production values had gone down.

Virgin Soul had a okish episde

Re:Creators continues to rock for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I liked the 70s version ending, it was mean spirited =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The original used its one room location quite well and dim lighting in parts, very closed in/claustrophobic.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: just finished the Beguiled and it was much better than I expected. Like, I didn't expect it to be that well shot. The guy was put in a passive role than active here, which help the theme imo. Also, the ending admitedly isn't for everyone but I liked it just fine
SuperMario
@Kaiser: using a black girl? The girls in this one are all white :(
AidanAK47
Sato in Re:Creators isn't doing himself any favors is he? Honestly the more I learn about him, the less likable he becomes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It was a good film though, one of scarjos better moments.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: As for Sofia, I'm only familiar with lost in translation, which I haven't seen since it originally came out.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Everyone goes on about Francis' for the Godfather, the conversation is massively underated and apocalypse now is better, but it has to be the theatrical cut.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I guess it was probably seen as progressive in its day by way of using the black girl.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Very very cynically 70s of course.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Actually just happened to finish it there, I felt it stood out for its somewhat successful gothic feel and aesthetic and Eastwood's performance which shows how well he can command the audiences attention even when he isn't shooting people. Kind of liked how it got slightly grisly later on. It makes a small effort in giving one line backstories .
SuperMario
@Kaiser: the original movie isn't that well-received. It's more like an exotica film where the main guy (Clint Eastwood) hooks up girls of all ages. This one I heard has a good spin on feminist angle. I'm sure is intrigued but Sofia Coppola's filmography has been mixed for me
Kaiser-Eoghan
....I doubt any one has ever heard of this....I know I didn't, I haven't read it either but I came across some weird old Blacksploitation manga, probably from the 90s, Blast knuckle or something...
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Still remaking the beguiled might be good, we need more modern westerns.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I suppose I can busy myself with the original 70s version of beguiled. At the moment I've been focusing on old Japanese films, they had such a good film industry, it makes it hurt so much more now knowing that all they do now is shit live action adaptations.
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