Posted by psgels on 22 March 2010 with categories: Sora no Oto



Sora no Oto is another one of those ‘don’t by fooled by its looks’-shows. Sure, it may have the same character-designer as K-On, but its content is completely different. Instead it takes place Switzerland, in some sort of mysterious post-apocalyptic world of a threatening war and child soldiers. It tells the story of a military outpost, which can sometimes be quiet and laid-back, but at others dark and powerful.

This series has really been one of the very few series that can boast an original storyline nowadays. In 12 episodes, it paints the picture of a mysterious setting in which a ton of stuff happened in the past, and it’s truly at its best when it can flesh out this setting. It’s amazing how well detailed it describes the village that everything in this series takes place in, and the story that lies behind it. It leaves a lot to your imagination: it doesn’t reveal everything, but instead relies on the viewers to piece together all of the clues.

The characters themselves also have imaginative backgrounds. Through the series I liked how they first start out as those seemingly annoying moe stereotypes, but ended up developing in sympathetic ones. My personal favourite was the Felicia episode, which was a true triumph in storytelling. The slice of life is also very imaginative and has an interesting presentation, rather than trying to rip off the ton of other slice of life series that exist out there.

With a series that’s completely original, you’d expect that the creators would have the perfect opportunity to create a story that fits that 12 episodes that it consists of perfectly. But, now. The creators took too much on their plate and tried to be way too epic for their own good. If the characters didn’t somehow end up standing at the centre of a huge war, then it would have been significantly better. Instead, this show is stuck with an utterly terrible ending that doesn’t just fail to answer some of the most important questions, it’s utterly cheesy, nonsensical and furthermore it destroys a ton of build-up that the previous episodes tried to create so pain-stakingly. It’s a huge step beyond a simple ‘disappointing ending’.

In the meantime however, A-1 are showing more and more what an excellent production company they can be. This series looks utterly gorgeous, and the animation is vivid and imaginative, with especially the backgrounds being really well drawn.

But yeah, in the end this remains a series that went too epic than what was good for it. It’s a shame, I really liked it in the beginning, but for me, it left a nasty bad taste behind in its final minutes. I’m still recommending this show for its first two thirds, but just be aware that this show can’t fulfill the things it promises.

Storytelling: 8/10 – Very solid writing in the first two thirds. Last third is too rushed. Bad ending.
Characters: 8/10 – Interesting development, but some get taken a bit too far.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Beautiful animation and background art; the best OP of the past season.
Setting: 8/10 – Incomplete, but fascinating and well detailed.

21 Responses

  1. Maureen says:

    You can’t review the series yet. There’s still another ep to go, next week.

  2. Kiseki says:

    It doesn’t have the same character designer as K-ON. :/

  3. m says:

    Sora no Oto appears to me to have tried to serve too many masters. There are signs of trying to tap into the success of K-ON, and that gives us much of what wasn’t novel about the show: the generic characters, the hot spring, the panties and groping, some of the side-adventures, etc. A lot of what is disappointing in the show, I think, comes from these portions.
    They also tried to build the story into a game that, while not quite a mystery, would leave little hints that were vague enough to keep the audience guessing. Some, like the bootlegging being hinted at, were cleverly misleading. Even when the revelations strained credulity, there was some preceding clue that had been left dangling. This gave the show a lot of moving parts, and along with the introduction of an assortment of disposable characters, left the show open to a lot of different directions up until the last third of it. This was the part of the show that I found most fun. I didn’t necessarily care for where the story would go, but they had me thinking they were playing eleven-dimensional red herring.
    I think they also tried to indulge themselves with all of the references. There are signs of a lot of research put into this show in history, art history, and the construction of Seize and the area around it. If making a lot of references to other things made a show entertaining, they would have had the most entertaining show around. Period weapons, the use of English, French and German, the setting of Helvetica, the imagery for the maidens, the myths, and even the use of “New Britain” to invoke “Amazing Grace” to reinforce the theme of redemption.
    They also snag some science fiction credit, with the post-apocalyptic world that is difficult to pin the point of divergence from our own, because of all of the different historical references and the futuristic technology. The world was the most interesting aspect of the show for me, and the one I thought got the shortest thrift. Episode nine was the peak and the end of fleshing out the why of the world. I think it was the best episode of the show.
    The other leg, the leg that comes back in a rush at the end to club us in the head, is the status of the show as a war drama. This throws a wrench into the pacing of the show, because by the time the armistice between Rome and Helvetica begins to deteriorate there’s very little time left. It’s the weakest aspect of show, and if they had focused on the war in the past tense and only dangled the threat of future conflict instead of thrusting the remote fort into the middle of the political intrigue it would have fared better. (A bit less exciting, but it would have given them more time to explore the issue of redemption in a serious way, instead of how it was really handled).

    The show had a lot of things going on, and many of the ones that were novel showed potential, but overall I’m not sure there was ever a complete picture of what the show would do (or if there was, that all of it could fit into such a tight time budget), and as a result its potential was buried under a pile things that weren’t very interesting.

    For the visuals, the backgrounds and the color design were pretty good. The animation quality was a little inconsistent. Sometimes it was great, and other times they just panned over stills. That’s life on a budget, though.

    Prior to the twelfth episode I was still holding out a little hope that they would just end the show open with some hope for doing another season in which they could better flesh out the good parts of the show and jettison the weaker elements, but I’m not sure how worthwhile that would be now.

  4. m says:

    ‘shrift’ not ‘thrift’
    If I proofread what I typed into the tiny boxes of the web client, maybe it would be readable once in a while.

    Apologies for the spammy posting.

  5. riddle says:

    Hmm, the ending was not dissapointing for me at least. this is anime dude, some endings might not be real life enough. so what if its rush, the ending was pretty good, giving the last episode a bad mark is not very fair

  6. Alec says:

    most of the episodes were phenomenal, but the ending is pretty normal too me… *sigh…. i thought that they would pull sumthin crazy again in the last episode, which they’ve always done in the pevious episodes, but this time, they didnt -_-…still the anime is still amazing…we didnt expect this anime to be soooo amazing….this anime is what you would call the “DARK HORSE”

    still a SAD ending FOR ME…not the anime…but to ME

  7. PhantomX says:

    Riddle, unreasonable or unreal endings aren’t bad if the anime is built around continuous suspension of disbelief (I mean, look at Gurren Lagann, that show has some of the most retarded stuff ever going on in it, and the ending is fine because it’s established that that’s how it’s going to be). This show, for the most part, was grounded in realism or at least pretending to be realistic, so an unrealistic ending is jarring and unfitting.

    That’s similar to the problem I had with Code Geass (which took it to a much greater extreme). They had some “super genius” with a super eyeball masterminding plans while making the most stupid/retarded mistakes (particularly memorable to me is when he jokingly says to kill all the japanese people… like, wtf, who uses that as an example? -_-) and people getting blown up by a nuke and surviving, while trying to be serious in the meantime.

  8. Joojoobees says:

    In the end, I’m glad this one is over. It did not live up to my hopes for it (which is probably my fault). I agree with much of what M says, and psgels’ appraisal that they tried to be too epic. The ideas, such as showing military life in a remote stronghold, were good. The show was occasionally quite stylish. It just seemed like they tried too much to really pull it all off in the end.

  9. psgels psgels says:

    Maureen: there is? According to ANN there are only 12.

    http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=11023

    kiseki: heh, I could have sworn that that was the cse.

  10. MsteaK says:

    Stopped taking this seriously the moment they sent a bunch of girls in a ‘desolated’ town that acts as a buffer in an armistice. Not exactly something I can buy when it’s incredibly stupid.

  11. Son Gohan says:

    Next week they will air a “making of” Sora no Woto, so the story is really over, barring the two DVD-only episodes, which I suppose will not impact the storyline much.
    I think that psgels was a bit harsh on the ending. The whole series stressed the importance of Amazing Grace for all of the girls, so I would have been surprised if it DIDN’T play a big part in the finale. For me that scene required a reasonable suspension of disbelief. After all it wasn’t Kanata who stopped the war, it was Rio-hime with a signed peace treaty.

  12. Typewriter says:

    Of course, it’s easy to say “the war is stopped by a trumpet play lol” and makes it sound ridiculous. That ignores other aspects like that nobody supports the war in the first place and that the trumpet actually only stalls it and not singlehandedly ends it Macross-style.

    Likewise, psgels, the episode you call a triumph in storytelling I actually consider a generic tragedy-insertion and infodump. Doesn’t stop it from being enjoyable due to presentation, though.

    I thought it’s you yourself who say to look beyond outer premise and see how it’s actually executed. I fear that you put your expectations on the wrong places to fail doing that for the last episode.

  13. PhantomX says:

    They never showed the song being important to anyone outside of the girls. Not to mention that the CIVILIANS don’t support the war (aren’t fighting), but the people that stormed their castle were more than quick to shoot at a Roman soldier, so saying no one wanted to fight b/c one dude missed his g/f or the civilians opposed it is silly.

  14. Nobody says:

    This blog has officially become the home of all anime armchair commenters.

    Seriously, what’s up with all the overanalyzing, saying stuff like “IT NEEDED MORE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT”, “IT NEEDS SOMETHING CALLED A BUILD UP”.

    What’s up with this… I used to like this blog, but now it relies basically on oversimplifying the storytelling process. Dumbing down the reviewing process, basically.

    Some of you might complain about formulaic anime. I’ll complain about formulaic anime reviewers/commenters.

  15. PhantomX says:

    Believe it or not, some people like to watch anime for the story telling and character development, not for the little girls playing soldier. As such, that’s what we criticize the most when it lets us down.

    It wouldn’t even matter, if this wasn’t perfectly avoidable. They could’ve devoted the telephone/peeing myself episode to coming to a better conclusion.

    No one’s going to stop you from leaving, so by all means go. Meanwhile we’ll continue to keep our good tastes and expectations high when a show makes us believe we should have high expectations for it.

  16. PL says:

    Phantom, lol …right on

    Nobody…the quality of the writing and variety of expression on this blog has improved by orders of magnitude since he started. Just read something he reviewed in 06 if you doubt me. Used to be, if psgels liked a show’s animation and didn’t call it “a visual feast” I would have doubted it was a post by psgels.
    BUT, at the same time when you’ve reviewed hundreds upon hundreds of shows and made thousands of blog posts about those shows, and the shows themselves tend to follow certain patterns of storytelling closely, then of course some things are going to sound “formulaic”. In a way, though, that is a benefit instead of a problem with the blog. I’ve read enough reviews here now and then watched those series/movies to know EXACTLY what psgels means when he says a show “lacked character development”, I understand EXACTLY what the difference in quality between a show that gets a score of 85 and one that gets a 92, I get EXACTLY, on an intuitive level what psgels means when he says that a show blew its sense of believability. But, here is where this blog has ALWAYS excelled: ready? here it is… psgels gives detailed, concrete reasons for liking or disliking any aspect of a show, he lays out the pros and cons of any given show he reviews, and this is something he’s made a conscious effort to improve in his writing over the years, specifically focusing on nailing down his exact reasons for feeling a certain way about a show. So, I dunno what you’re bitching about, but think before you call someone’s reviews formulaic. Hell, the two most popular movie critics in the US, Ebert and Roper (Siskel and Ebert when I was a kid) have their reviews reduced to a gesture of the thumbs, but I don’t think anyone calls their criticism “formulaic”, and for similar reasons: they make a concrete argument showing their line of reasoning for arriving at a certain position on a movie, just as psgels does with his anime reviews.

  17. Firechick says:

    Aren’t there going to be DVD-only episodes showing up later?

  18. Son Gohan says:

    It is speculated that Amazing Grace could be the hymn of the unified forces that fought the Angels in ancient times. This would explain why the song was stored in Takemikazuchi’s memory and why both Romans and Helvetians know it.
    It was also the signature song of the revered hero Princess Iriya, so it’s not farfetched to assume that Amazing Grace holds a high value among Helvetian soldiers. Yes, this is a case where dramatic effect takes precedence over complete realism but it’s not that much unbelievable.

  19. Bruce says:

    The trumpet song wasn’t that unrealistic. In fact I’d go so far to say that the girls really didn’t achieve anything with that song. The battle would have ended one way or another. Because of Rio’s actions they had a peace treaty signed and all they really had to do was bring it into the field. The trumpet at best only stalled the battle for maybe ten minutes.

    The ending was a letdown, yes. But I personally don’t feel it was as unrealistic as most people felt it was.

  20. Reltair says:

    I don’t think the ending was abysmal. There’s nothing wrong with having an ideal, but cliche ending. The setting/background makes it feel like it came from a storybook, so what’s wrong with having a storybook ending?

  21. inkka says:

    Yeah…What a pity that you ruined good show with your opinion at the ending.

    For me this series is very good. At first sight. I think it’s the some of generic moe slice of life show. But..when I see the story the one thing that I want to say. Wow..

    It’s very unique story for anime nowadays. When I watch this anime. I’m very feel refreshing. The war and the thing that affect people.(The main girls is the obvious way to describe why it was affected).
    And It’s worked at the ending.Because people is enough at that. They’re happy to see the war didn’t happened again.(And It’s the best way to ending this series too. because It’s this series theme. War is for past. The future is for peace !)

    And I love this series that although It has only 12eps.(OK it has special eps in DVD. but for most people this series end in this ep).It can delivery and make every main character didn’t look flat and much more likeable at the end. They have past. Thay have character development. And their past is very good and well told.

    Ah.. almost forget to tell about the setting.This series is very few series that I told that I love it because good setting. Their world is interesting. It look so mystery. but at sametime it look like our world at the past.(some reference with our world make it more interesing).

    And at Art section somehow I want to say K-on Character design worked and look pro at the end.and can mixed with gorgeous background that this series had nicely.

    The last.. that song..Amazing grace!! I love that song too much. I don’t know but when I hear this. I feel the grand that this song have. Very good choice for creator to choose this song to play important role in this series.

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Niello
Eoghan: Enjoy... ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I haven't read this, its very strange to see a manga about full anthro animal characters: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Beastars
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: So based on that I will try devil lady. Thanks.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: That'd be me who made that post. I thought dororon enma-kun was wonderfully ridiculous and Devilman gorishly entertaining, Shin Mazinger Z was probably some of the most fun I had with an anime, but violence jack took it way too far though so I guess I'm aquainted with nagai's work
Vonter
I don't remember who was looking for something noir in anime. I was looking among several series from Go Nagai. And watched some Devil Lady. I don't remember if noir is exclusively detective stories, but this anime, has those high contrast shadows, eerie music and is shot like some japanese horror movies I've seen. I don't know if it changes along the road but so far it's very suspenseful.
SuperMario
I only know him through his works in Berserk and Paprika but his music never fails to amaze me
Anonymous1626471
@Amagi: Ghost Bridge is my favourite. I just find it very calming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeh5aJsxlbw
Amagi
Susumu Hirasawa is one of my favorite musicians/composers. I don't even know what kind of subgenre this is. There aren't any other music groups I know who do similar stuff
Nielllo
@Mario, Already saw that video before.
SuperMario
Check this out... I don't even know what the freaking instrument he's playing, but it's spellbound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjalQjAomH0
Niello
Just when I thought Houseki no Kuni took the prize for best animation I was treated with Apocrypha. This week is amazing.
Niello
Big name animators all over. They really threw everything they've got here.
Niello
Woooooah! OMG Apocrypha ep 22 animation is sick! So that's why the animation in the first half of the show is so lackluster and basically just darn awful.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its not entirely odd to bring up Heydrich in relation to the occult either, apparently he was said to be part of some whackjob order.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, that girl from Dies irae, Anna Schwegln is aptly named, also shares her name with the last executed person for witchcraft, who was Bavarian German, which i'm told by an Austrian friend were particular right-est leaning politically.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course unfortunately its often the opposite that happens, nothing is worse than an ending that ruins everything.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, how I love being surprised by something. That feeling where you''re watching something shakily held together, simply okay or good, then suddenly in the second half or last stretch your score of it goes massively up.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can kind of understand the wanting to go home and watch something easy mentality instead of challenging but even though I'm guilty of escapism, I'm tired somewhat of "sillier" stuff, its often enjoyable but its get overly reptitive and I wish I could find more philosophical/political/imaginative things.
Amagi
Yeah the show is great because of its theme, the setting and chemistry girls have as well as their (lack of) knowledge about basic human things. Each episode thematizes this in a different way but there isn't much you can talk or say about it when you already explained the topic in detail.
SuperMario
On the other hand, I don't have much to talk about Girls' Last Tour this week. It's still good, but with this episode I feel that I'm running out of concrete thig to say about the show
SuperMario
Haha both Houseki and 3-gatsu have a good showing this week. I have a lot of things to talk about Houseki in particular
Amagi
This week's Houseki is jurassic park
Amagi
*-ati - I think Netflix and so are at least giving a few new impulses which isn't too bad. I don't think the typical anime series will disappear because of that.
Amagi
At least in comparisation
Amagi
I think it's just sad how often I see wonderful series selling 500 BD/DVD or maybe even less. Most series don't sell more than 1500 or so and the rest is usually at ~3000-5000 which is still pretty low.
Amagi
Yeah, it's one of my pro-Netflix arguments as well. Another problem is that anime (not counting manga) only make money through dvd/bd sales since they air at night, whereas Netflix or daytime tv series don't depend on the latter so much and since anime BDs are so expensive the only ones who buy them are the more extreme fans.
AidanAK47
Might be in part due to the workaholic nature of their society that makes escapist fantasy and empty entertainment more appealing than usual. Ultimately these are the people anime is made for so opening up the markets gives more deserving shows a fighting chance.
Though that isn't to say that western taste is perfect either.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, That's part of the reason I think some westernation might be a good thing as from what I seen the Japanese have truly terrible taste in anime. Sales charts from Japan just make me shake my head.
Amagi
God, the preorder anime lists are atricious. The only one that seems to sell acceptable (around 6k) is Mahoyome. Series like Inuyashiki have 80 pre-orders so far, Shuumatsu Shoujo 977. Idol shows sell good of course, including that male/bishounen Idolmaster
AidanAK47
@Anon, I read it but kinda fell out due to it's releases being slow.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Actually if you check the manga recommendations section, you'll see there is a post about it here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yes, it was interesting to follow a story that dealt with a characters homosexuallity that was outside of the yaoi/yuri mould.
Anonymous1620968
Out of curiosity, has anyone on here read Shimanami Tasogare?
Niello
Where are we up to with Inuyashiki?
Lenlo
Well alright then. Episode 9 out of 11 and that happens. Was not expecting that
Lenlo
Ooo something happen this week? Im about to watch it
Kaiser-Eoghan
It feels just as rushed and awkward in the manga.
Amagi
I noticed this too
AidanAK47
Inuyashiki has balls of steel to pull that in this particular episode number.
Nielllo
Finally got around to reading Helck, and it looks like it's going to go into that pile of good-shounen-that-won't-ever-get-animated right alongside Psyren.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Imagine trying to buy the dvds of the show in public.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Gentle remind that the prism ilya movie is out and subbed.
AidanAK47
Still surprised the second and third seasons got dubbed.
AidanAK47
@Angel, I replied to one of your comments before but the rundown is no official word yet but maybe next year.
Angel
Or no? Someone please tell me!!
Angel
Going to happen?
Angel
Is fate/kaleid liner prisma☆illya 3rei dub
Amagi
I dislike it when manga bait me into reading due to the first chapter and end up being some very generic stuff afterwards. Nobody stays for B if he started something for A, authours should expect that.
Lenlo
Really, Juuni should stick with the 3D. That fight in ep 9 looked pretty good. 3D is clearly what they are good at
AidanAK47
@Niello, It's not Chatango. It's a plugin for wordpress called Wisechat.
SuperMario
@Niello: yeah, Juuni caught me off guard this week. The production of Juuni is unfortunately shaky, but well, strong writing can save the day
Niello
Btw is this chat still Chatango?
Niello
This week episode of Juini is surprisingly good compared to how the show usually is with its backstory. Although the part where Ox tries to explain to Tiger could definitely use some visual buff.
SuperWooper
in the future*
SuperWooper
Pretty cool that Juuni Taisen had that kind of emotional heft this week, though. Might be one of the 2017 shows I sample the in the future.
SuperWooper
I think the occasional comments with an episode title and nothing more come from people who mistake the shoutbox for a search bar.
SuperMario
@Anon1614688: juuni taisen... made me tearing up this week. Honestly didn't expect that. Damn you, Tiger
Anonymous1614688
juuni taisen
Amagi
Had some complaints regarding Children of Whales but the latest two episodes were pretty good.
Amagi
@Anon: You explained it better than me.
Anonymous1614307
Kaiser: I actually have the exact same opinion of Natsume and Mushishi. Both are excellent, but Natsume just does a great job with a small core cast and a very simple premise
Anonymous1614456
who likes naruto
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mushishi does have good stories, but it was always a manga I'd dip in and out of, on and off for years, never marathoning it, wheras Natsume was easier to read several chapters of in one go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its because Natsume has more pathos.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*more than
Natsume weirdly ended up becoming this comfort manga for me with a higher consistency rate .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will state that I hold the terrible opinion that I like Natsume Yujinchou than Mushishi but at the same time completely recognize that Mushishi is probably the more ambitious, better show.
Niello
So it becomes a cycle of "this is an interesting set up" (except that the new Kino isn't even good at that) and then they fucked up or Kino/Shizu fucked them up even more, then move on. Without the emphasis on philosophical nature of the set up they present like in the original Kino, there really isn't that much point to it.
Niello
With the new Kino it's more about messing people up, occassionally observing and hardly ever improving. The anwsers or solutions to the problem they present is never really talked about in a rational way.
SuperMario
@Anon1614318: maybe you should give the old Kino a try. What I don't like most about the new version of Kino is that both Kino and the new guy are sketched as hero. The old Kino manages the tone right as well. There were some really dark tales and most of them thought-provoking. Can't say the same for say...Country of Cooking
Anonymous1614318
I don't know, it might be interesting to actually dig deep into the differences between episodic series with this kind of style to see what works and what doesn't.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's a matter of the chapter they chose to adapt were not really the better ones but the ones where the protagonist is more of an active role. Not totally against that, but it feels like the protagonist is just OP all the time. At least with Mushishi Ginko isn't able to save everyone all the time.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's supposed to be more allegorical, but most of the time the allegory is not really meaningful enough. I thought it would be more along the lines of Mushishi, which is kind of similar in setup, but better in most other ways.
Anonymous1614318
What keeps me sticking around are some of the nice background arts and generally pleasant use of color, but admittedly most of the episodes aren't really engaging in a meaningful way. Most of the time its just Kino/Shizu show up, find out town's gimmick, then save the day. I prefer the episodes where the townspeople are more than just flat background characters.
Anonymous1614318
It's interesting to see how this new Kino season is being received from folks who've already watched the original. This is my first real exposure to Kino, and I kind of like it, but even without watching the original, I share many of the same complaints Aidan and most of the others have.
Amagi
I am also kinda sad he's just some 2* servant in fgo, but his power is special and he's physically weak, so it's understandable.
Amagi
And again, Shakespeare is just great but the character is, sadly, kinda wasted here considering how much screentime he has.
Amagi
@Aidan: Yes. Plus, maybe more characterization or background for some servants. The anime would have that time without Sieg and his romance sub plot.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, Those being remove Sieg and more Shakespeare?
Amagi
And man Apocrypha is pretty good but it would be twice as good if it had those two changes Aidan always mentions in the reviews..
Amagi
@Kaiser: I think the male in Kino was a mistake. Having two PoV sounds good, but he's basically just a male Kino, he even looks like her. Someone vastly different would have been way more interesting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd guarantee that sangatsu no lion would be high up, but FINALLY this weekend I'll be catching up.
Niello
@Kaiser, Ugh my phone gitched. What I meant to say was that background was unexpected. Now I see why you're enjoying CotW though.
Niello
@Kaiser, That's unexpected.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I enjoyed how outright surreal Arakawa was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: It bothers me that they're stuffing multiple tales into single episodes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, excel saga, I wonder what I would think of it now, its been years.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I actually respect Aidan's coverage of it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: Yes that edgy villain kid in COTWs was annoying though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I don't care much for the male character that leads some of the episodes in this new adaptation.
@Niello: Its a non-mainstream shoujo that isn't set in a school, moves at a quick enough pace and has some nice background art/chara design, I grew up on shoujo fantasy manga also so theres that.
Amagi
I mean there are parts I like. I enjoyed the first episode, and the part about the country of liars. But many other things annoy me and the last episode was the worst. I also feel like the edgy bomb loli and slapstick Kino don't fit to the rest of the show somehow. Maybe I forgot everything, but the "old" Kino felt like a better character to me somehow, this one is more faithful to the LNs though
Amagi
@Kaiser: I honestly gave up on Kino and I think it's only partly the fault of the new series. I am just so tired of how stupid most of the episodic-characters are unless their are friends of Kino, how everyone gets bent being irredeemable evil for plot's sake and how everything Kino and her friends do gets justified. Maybe I am just too old or boring for this fairy tail like moral bending.
SuperMario
Still have Night is Short review to write... i will get there. I will get there
Anonymous1612237
It's like having potty mouth characters. If you have one, it can be funny and a good comedic relief. If everyone does it, it can come out as mean spirited or trashy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I haven't watched A Bad Idea Gone Wrog, as for now my top priority is to catch up with 2017 anime for the Yearly summary. But I will get on to it when I have some free time
Anonymous1612237
Amagi - Chibi stuff I've seen it mainly work in anime comedies with low budgets like Those Who Hunt Elves, Ranma, Excel Saga, Arakawa Under the Bridge, Nanbaka, etc. I think if you really have to use it in a more serious anime, I think it might work if it was part of one character's gag.
SuperMario
Children of the Whales, along with Juuni Taisen, keep falling out on me. Kino is pretty a hit-or-miss at the moment. I don't mind the last episode's multiple tales though
Niello
Problem about AMB chibi jokes are that they arwn't funny in the first place nor do they have a punch line.
Niello
@Eoghan, Really surprise you put Children of the Whales so high, I'm falling behind on some shows but it is still near the bottom of my list (the absolute bottom remains Kino).
Kaiser-Eoghan
The latest Kino episode was a real slap in the face/insult, really really thought that one segement would carry on for the whole episode and be a redemptive one/getting the series back on form but then it followed it up with crap comic relief segement.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: For now yes.
Lenlo
Droppin Mahou Kaiser?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I no longer care what Dia's gender is, no longer I will lie to myself and deem them female.
Kaiser-Eoghan
5. would be juuni taisen
Kaiser-Eoghan
My rankings for the season based on what I am following: 1. Houseki no kuni 2. Children of the whales 3. inuyashiki 4. girls last tour dropping mahou and Kino.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't remember Joseph being all that present from what little I read of the manga.
Amagi
Fear so too. I mean it has a bunch of good ideas and good quality and such, but it feels like it won't be much more than the magical being of the week (or two weeks) and some Elias highjinks inbetween
Kaiser-Eoghan
I still say, I've got the feeling mahou will be wasted potential that won't really go anywhere much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Did you watch that indie film you recommended yet? Bad idea gone wrong it was called. I just finished it there, budgetary limitations and outside of Matt Jones the acting isn't great, theres a few limp/dead bits too, nonetheless it has its amusing moments here and there to make for an okay comedy that isn't all that essential but amusing enough in moments if your bored.
Amagi
Yeah I think Mahou has some pacing issues. But I also think it would work way better if it was less episodic or semi-episodic.
SuperMario
I normally don't mind the chibi stuff that much but I agree in Mahoutsukai they break the tone and pacing. Serious at one time, fluffy at another...
Amagi
@Vonter: I honestly never like chibi stuff I think. Didn't care back then but nowadays I consider it annoying. One reason is that jokes only work when they aren't pointed out but just happen, sometimes even so casually that you almost miss them. Turning everyone into a chibi for a joke makes it as fun as repeating, explaining or shouting it again (which many series also do)
KTravlos
I have to give it to Altair. It got me reading the manga. The episode this week did skip over a whole manga story, but to be frank it is not too much of a loss. Pacing issues still exist. One thing I noticed was a degrading in animation. They are probably hoarding for the next two episodes which are the major battle.
Anonymous1611511
Just dropping my 2c here: Isn't it too late for the studio to correct such inherent design issue once eps start rolling out?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Angel: The dub wasn't all that impressive in the first place however.
Angel
When Will fate/kaleid liner prisma☆illya 3rei dub come out?
Vonter
The chibi stuff sadly, is like watching someone make the same mistake over and over again, without acknowledging that thing isn't coming across well. At this point it seems like an intentional choice rather than just cutting corners. Kinda like when an anime has a decent dub but has that one character with a really annoying voice.
Lenlo
Its continued this willful ignorance, this virtual refusal, to actually address the issue. Thing about the chibi is, the first scene with Silver worked. Then it just got overused.
KTravlos
Mahoutsukai continues denying itself. We finally had some tough questions asked, but the show just ignored them in the 2nd half (with generous doses of chibi). That said Elias true form is terrifying.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: If you enjoy The Scent of the Green Papaya and Cyclo, you can also check out his unofficial third film about Vietnam: The Vertical Ray of the Sun, which is about the modern day of Hanoi. It's my favorite film of his, although I know that artistically it can't compare to his earlier films
SuperMario
And I can say the mafia aspect of Cyclo is more like Hong Kong than Vietnam. But, whatever. I like this one well enough
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I particularly love the score in Cyclo. No wonder later on Tran Anh Hung asked Joony Greenwood from Raidoohead to score his films. His score has the same uncomfortable feeling with this one
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would have watched an entire story based around that old man in the new Kinos journey episode.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Though while I never found it boring, it did feel it could have had a better narrative.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Cyclo I felt has some reasonable sketched characters and the aesthetic sells the viewer on the environment the characters are living in, Tony Leung was my favourite in it, I also like how some Asian films are able to mix quietness with moments of violence, makes it much more visceral.
SuperWooper
I'd lean towards weirdest thing you've ever seen. It's certainly up there for me.
Masky
...I can't figure out whether Sengoku Jidai with batman is weirdest thing I have ever seen or makes completely perfectly sense and was inevitable it would happen
K-Off
The map design should've been vastly more different, I'd love to hear why they thought it was worth it to keep the same maps as Gaiden. So. Much. Open. Fields.
K-Off
Finally got to playing Fire Emblem Shadow, and 15 hours in I'm already not a fan of the gameplay. The story is vastly superior to Gaiden, but it looks like it missed the point on how to make a good remake. The maps are just as god awful as in Gaiden and for it, (in hard mode) it feels like a game of numbers rather than strategy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I feel drama need not always go for emotions in the audiences but can be effective in a solely cold observational sense and approach.
SuperMario
haha you don't need to spy you know. Like I said Discord chat has been active lately. I find myself more comfortable chatting in there for some reasons.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I spy on the discord chat sometimes
Kaiser-Eoghan
Worried about this Junji itou adaptation thats coming up, hope it isn't one of those zero animation web-short series.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: he still has Flashmob in which he intended to make. Yeah, he started his career quite late but he has had a very successful career
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Potentially could be his last film, he is quite old.
SuperMario
Agree that Happy End has many quirkier moments compared to his other works. Still a solid work but I won't rank it amongst his best
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Watching Happy End, you can immediately realize many of Haneke's favorite themes: the voyeur/camera in Benny's Video, Cache; the latent racism like you mentioned, the idea that killing someone you love is better than watching them suffering, the underlying violence in a normal middle class life in most of his works
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Like with code unknown, its approach to latent rascism is far better handled than for example a terrible hollywood oscar bait drama would handle it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I felt though had the film been a bit longer, Huppert and Jones could have gotten more scenes, same with Franz Rogowski's character.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I did however think that the disjointed nature of the earlier parts were both to the advantage and disadvantage of the film. But it delivers a killer of a last act that I loved.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I finally got around to seeing happy end, I liked the Cache and amour references and how Haneke cheekily managed to insert quirkier moments and even wry ones so seemlessly into the narrative. Fontaine ,Kassovitz and Tringnent had the best scenes, particularly the ones between Fontaine and Tringnent.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Physical, non-verbal communication is a far more valuable way of conveying information I believe and more effective in fiction.
SuperMario
Report on Just Because so far: they took on the three-way romance direction, which I initally ain't fond of. But last episode actually was great with the focus on body gestures and natural dialogues, delivering one of the brst exchange the show has this season. A good watch overall
Lenlo
Sadly, the only anime youll probably get like that will be made outside japan, like Castlevania was, and wouldnt be considered "anime" by most of the community. A shame, cause Castlevania was great.
Lenlo
A classic western would be cool. Like Red Dead the anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I am just coming up with fantasizing now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Even a Raymond Chandler style of story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd also love to see a non-scifi western anime get made now or even an east meets west thing with cowboys AND samurai in it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats a good example Vonter I guess but I probably should have been more clear/clarified that what I meant is that I wanted to see more noir anime being made NOW , I want netflix to back one . I mean the kind of thing where everyone is wearing fedoras and trench coats and its 1930/40/50, shadows everywhere or it looks impressionistic.
Vonter
Kaiser-Eoghan - Monster is a very grounded detective like story. The villain is good and intimidating, some moral dilemmas are poignant and despite being animated I remember it having good direction of photography since the story takes place Germany, Prague, and some other places.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've only seen bits of wolf rain many years ago, never bothered with it further after hearing the pacing is terrible and it makes an unsatisfactory ending even less worth waiting for.
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