Posted by psgels on 31 March 2010 with categories: Anime Reviews, Kimi ni Todoke

Romances often are annoying, which can often be attributed to characters acting completely irrational, illogical and against their own feelings. I’ve watched quite a few series that created a well developed cast this way, like with Bokura ga Ita and White Album. Kimi ni Todoke however… just… didn’t work for me.

The first half of this series really was a pain for me to try and sit through. The premise is simple: a very shy and socially inept girl (Sawako) and a popular, good-looking guy (Kazehaya) fall in love with each other. Fair enough, but the execution left a lot to be desired, especially when the creators started focusing on the love triangles. Hordes of girls turn out to be in love with Kazehaya as well, and the drama that results out of it is horribly dragged out for way longer than it should have, and the creators treat it like some kind of blasphemy if any of the two lead characters even dares to talk to someone of the other gender.

For a series that’s about the high school years of a bunch of people, Sawako and Kazehaya don’t really feel like interesting characters at all. Sawako is way too pure: whenever someone tries to take advantage of her feelings (by making her jealous for example), her incredible naivety just feels incredibly unnatural and it quickly turns into a bit of a lame gimmick. Kazehaya on the other hand is just so bland as a male romantic interest. He’s just… there, with hardly any personality about him other than some guy who just keeps smiling.

What also did not help was this series’ facial expressions, especially the chibi-distortions that you see in most of those other shoujo series as well. Usually they’re used with stylistic purposes; you know, colour each character with these seemingly over the top reactions. Here however, they felt more like “Okay, you can laugh now”-signs. They’re often badly animated in contrast to the rest of this series’ beautiful looks, are forced and hardly ever are actually used in funny situations. This show just continuously tried to be subtle, while it ultimately just wasn’t.

The only subtle part that I actually found about this series was its character-development. THANKFULLY, this show gets better in its second half as soon as the main love rival is put on a bus away from the main plot. From there on the characters change ever so slightly: Sawako learns how to appreciate life more and Kazehaya becomes less bland, but it’s not that the creators try to shove this development down your throat like they did with the love triangles. it really helps for a series if its final arc is the best one, and that pretty much was the case here.

Still, I don’t think that this show is the same as White Album, in which an excellent second half made up for an incredibly annoying first half. In the end I still see Kimi ni Todoke as a bit of a half-baked series with characters that never really stand out at anything. It’s overall something that will keep you busy on a rainy day with not much else to do, but there are a lot of better series out there.

Storytelling: 7/10 – Lacks subtlety, drags on for way too long.
Characters: 8/10 – Decent enough in its focus at being in love, with slight development that at least makes the final parts of the series interesting enough.
Production-Values: 8/10 – Great visuals, as expected from Production IG, but the chibi-drawings annoy.
Setting: 7/10 – Pretty much your standard high school setting Nothing that really stands out.

Bokura ga Ita
True Tears
Kimikiss – Pure Rouge

22 Responses

  1. AznCoffee says:

    Kimi ni Todoke was good imo. :U

    I thought it was better than Bokura ga Ita at least.

  2. Chris says:

    Oh no you didn’t AznCoffe XD

    I love Bokura Ga Ita for it’s honest look into high school romance. It’s abusive, stupid, hurtful, emotional, and at its heart beautiful. Bokura Ga Ita captured it perfectly. Kimi No Todoke was much more shoujo fantasy but I only saw some of it.

  3. tk007 says:

    For me, the highlight of kimi ni kodoke is the developing friendship between Sawako and Chizu/Ayane. The romance with kazahaya was too drawn out for my liking.

  4. thomas says:

    I really liked the style but hated the characters (apart from the friends) so I gave up after half a dozen shows.

    A 75 on PSgels scale is like a 5/10 anywhere else… =)

  5. Frost says:

    Curious about this turned out, as I stopped watching around episode 10 or so lol just couldnt stand the forced love drama anymore

    They need to learn how to do romances without stupid love triangles, then Ill watch

  6. temperus says:

    I also stuck this one through to the end, and I was just as unimpressed. Fantasy/wish-fulfillment shows like this are just tedious to watch, no matter the gender they’re designed for. The show goes nowhere fast, and everyone feels like a cheap plastic doll. I know it’s tough to make a romance anime that isn’t cheesy and anticlimactic, but I’m not going to give KnT any props for sleepwalking.

  7. Kim says:

    I just wanted to say I really like the suggestion feature added to these posts at the end.

  8. Joshua says:

    I liked it, but I agree that the pacing between Sawako and Kazeh was back breakingly slow!

    By ep 25, I was screaming at my computer, “KISS HER!!! GROW A DICK AND KISS HER!!!”

  9. Jeff says:

    This is an example of a romance anime that solid cast of side characters couldn’t make up for its stupidly painfully slow pacing.

    The show also failed by making the characters too perfect at the beginning. This prevented real character development because how can perfect characters really advance?

  10. Z.N. Singer says:

    Interesting…I had no idea so many people shared my opinion about love triangles as defeating the purpose of good romance. It would be more encouraging if all signs were not that that is exactly what we are going to continue to get. Shouldn’t romance be about developing a meaningful relationship rather than about competing for the hottest guy?

  11. Tiniak says:

    I disagree with most of you. I found this anime pretty interesting and engaging! I liked the characters very much and their relationships. I also liked in the begining of the series when the rumors about Sawako and all. However I would’ve prefered if Sawako and Kazeh got somewhere by the end also the love tringle didnt work for me besides that it was a solid anime and I couldn’t wait for next week to watch the following episode when I was watchin it.

  12. Bear says:

    I agree with this review for the most part. The romance was actually pretty cute to me, although Kazehaya was a little too perfect (as is the norm for shoujo romance, I guess).

    The main characters for the most part were decently fleshed out and unoffensive. The exception being Kurumi; her arc and the separation between Sawako & friends were dragged out for way too long and really took away from the fuzzy slice-of-life feeling this series was able to put out here and there.

    I’m not sure if it was the seiyuu for Sawako or the scripting, but I can’t recall ever hearing so much repetitive internal dialogue. It got to the point of ridiculousness for me.

  13. domo-kun says:

    After watching the first episodes I thought the main characters were going to start dating really soon, considering how fast their relationship was evolving. 25 five episodes seemed too much.

    And unfortunately, it was. The love triangle crap hijacked the plot, the relationship evolved at a glacial pace, the Chizuru side plot was utterly boring… And in the end, Sawako and Shota didn’t even kiss. Speaking of Shota, he’s an extremely generic, cardboard character.

    Surprisingly, I loved the chibi animations and did not find them distracting.

    Second season begins in January. I’m not gonna watch. They should have wrapped all this in 13 episodes and be done with it.

  14. Immir says:

    I like this series but am disappointed also with the lack of movement in the romance. Then in season two she could not even give him her damn chocolates, and then he was too much of a wimp to actually tell her how he feels.

  15. Miwako says:

    I disagree in some of your review but to be fair, I know you have a point. In my own opinion, I like this series cause I can’t believe that there is still such an anime that could emphasize some naivety or innocence in ‘feelings or secret feelings whatever’ like Sawako. She is innocent that she’s also having trouble to her own self if her feelings is just plainly admiration and later on just realizing it’s different. Though this kind of situation is pretty rare nowadays and a person who will watch it would find it boring at first, but if you will look at it in different angle, you will understand what it really says. It is simply adorable to watch. Although at some point, I’m pretty pissed off to Sawako ’cause there are times that the situation is pretty understandable but instead, she think it in a wrong way.

    Although Bokura Ga ita is also a romance series/manga, it depicts it true and realistic situation of schools nowadays unlike Kimi Ni Todoke that is just simply, light-hearted and adorable series.

  16. Lily says:

    I disagree with your review. First of all, have you ever fallen in love with somebody? Did you remember the first true friend you made? If you say no to all, then experience it first before you watch this show.

    This series tells us about a girl’s first crush, her first friends, how her life changed when one person stepped in.

    The pace of this story is incredibly slow and I’m surprised I’m still watching it and loving it. Normally, I get annoyed of shows with lots of filler episodes but Kimi Ni Todoke has very little fillers, in my opinion. Each episode leads us to a new and different feeling in Sawako’s life which is really amazing.

    The naive and pureness of Sawako really captures my attention and reminds me of me back then – when I made my first true friend and fell in love.

    I will admit, the drawings didn’t capture my attention much and I don’t really like how “un-anime-ish” it was but slowly, as I watched, I start to like the drawings and realize that “hey, they’re different compared to anime drawings that never looks real”

    I don’t understand how you can say “The first half of this series was really a pain for me sit through”

    Did you or did you not read the plot? The story is about how a girl discovers many new feelings after she met a guy” NOT a bloody triangle love. Why on earth does a triangle love makes things interesting? It’s just a connection that leads to all the happenings that happen during the first half of the series.

    I personally rate Kimi Ni Todoke 9 out of 10 and would even rate it 10 out of 10 if I could. It’s one of those anime that leaves me feeling happy and warm all inside.

  17. acejem says:

    It’s funny because once upon a time Bokura ga Ita was one of the few shojo animes I’ve watched in full, and I found it annoying to watch because of the two lead characters Yano and Nana. Then I watched arguably more popular shojo animes such as Lovely Complex and Kimi ni Todoke and realised how painstakingly slow both series were. I think it took LoveCom 18 or so episodes for the main couple to date, whilst in Kimi ni Todoke’s case they didn’t at all (in a 25 episode anime). In contrast, it took Bokura ga Ita 4 episodes, and we even get a kiss scene at the end of this episode. That’s right, it took 4 episodes for the anime to take off in a 26 episode series!

    I do understand however, that LoveCom, Kimi ni Todoke and Bokura ga Ita cannot be compared completely. Afterall, LoveCom was more of a romantic comedy, Kimi ni Todoke being an idealistic shojo fantasy and with Bokura ga Ita being a realistic shojo drama that you can somewhat expect to play out in real life. So in the end, I guess it depends on personal taste on what type of romance/drama you prefer. Happens that I prefer option 3, hence the Bokura ga Ita style is the one I prefer.

  18. Sankoi says:

    Uhmmm… I agree about the character problems. Why make them perfect on the first part? haha

    I dunno with people who think that people should date and all ASAP but for me, love isn’t something that appears at first sight. Love isn’t romance. Love isn’t only about the heartbeat rushes and blushing. Love isn’t something people can just reduce to something uneternal. Well, you get the point. I don’t even think people “fall” in love. They learn to love as love ain’t an accidental thing.

  19. Martin says:

    This anime just really pissed me off. It was just so long and Sawako’s tendency to analyse every little thing just annoyed the hell out of me. The way it all resolved, for me, was also so predictable (obviously i know that they would end up together, but it was the way in which they did. I dont want to spoil anything so i wont go into detail). Kurumi was also a complete and utter b***h, she really got on my nerves…

    Im not normally one to dislike anime, but this was an exception because it just continually got more and more on my nerves. I think they could have done the whole series in about 15 episodes, so to drag it all out for 37 was just o____O for me.

    I didnt particularly like the drawing style either, Infinite Stratos is more of the art that i like. There was also just too… much… blushing…

    I’m really sorry this is so negative, but my main point is a positive one. It was that I just couldnt stop watching it… despite the bad characters, my opinion of the animation, the cringe blushing and the annoying Kurumi, the story itself was told in such a way that i always wanted to know what happened next, even i was just to be annoyed at what happens. So i guess thats a good thing about the series.

    Also i want to add, for all those asking “why did you watch it then?”, when i start an anime, i ALWAYS finish it. no matter what it is or how bad it is (with the exception of naruto… that shit was just too much for me)

  20. Charlie says:

    Alot of negative comments :/…IMO, i thought this anime was pretty good. I love the deformity and artwork and the characters were interesting to me. Idk why you people are getting so pissed over sawako and shota’s love relationship. Sure it took long as hell, but you gotta realize relationships dont happen in a few days. Plus, you have to girl who is shy and almost unsociable as hell. Of course,shes gonna blush! She practically just started making friends and learning these new experiences!

    Alot of you are comparing this to Bokura. i wish i could compare them both, but i dropped the anime afer 2 episodes due to it being boring IMO and the artwork was annoying.

  21. kakadoodledoo says:

    I’m quite surprised to be honest, that I actually like this series (My first time to watch a shoujo anime). I don’t find its incredibly slow plot irritating because I look at it in a different angle and I always consider Sawako’s POV. Sawako’s socially awkward, so what do you expect? After 4 episodes or so you want her and Kazehaya to start dating?
    Still though, this left so much to be desired. What I don’t like about it is the romance development between Sawako and Kazehaya. I don’t mind it being slow, heck, I think it developed way too fast. Kazehaya’s feelings, what made him fall for Sawako… I don’t understand it… sure it’s nice that she doesn’t give up and all but I don’t think that that’s enough to make you fall for someone. It would be nice if they at least had Kazehaya spill his actual thoughts so the viewers could understand him. I don’t even like his character much to be honest. He just stands and smiles, just like what the review said. A little character development from him would be nice. And the second season… the final episodes were good but that stupid misunderstanding made me want to pull out my hair. I can understand Sawako’s part since she’s still pretty naive but Kazehaya was just too unreasonable that he made me want to choke him. To think that he’s supposed to be the guy who’s good with speaking out to others. Unfortunately, that meaningless matter dragged on for so many eps.

    I’m not surprised that so many people didn’t like this series. This isn’t for impatient people who had never experienced having trouble getting along with others cause they wouldn’t understand the heroine very well and would probably just get annoyed with her.

    As for me, despite all the flaws I found in the series, I still like it a lot.

  22. Ash says:

    I’m shocked this got a higher rating than Paprika.
    This is beyond predictable, not refreshing in the least.
    I was ..
    *BIG SURPRISE* not impressed.
    The characters were all stereotypical ideas of what high school students are supposed to be like which i have myself never come across EVER.
    Sawako (IMO), was not likable, her inability to comprehend the simplest of emotions is beyond me. The image of stoicity that was being shown was forced and just made it even more unbelievable.
    Anime like this is what makes me lose hope in life.

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omg!! I just realized To be Hero was one of the show that I reviewed its 1st episode back in Chinese Animation post. I watched raw then though
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I have absolutely no idea what is going on in Flip Flappers plot. And yet for some reason I am OK with that.
Anyone out there that's a fan of crude humor should go watch ep.3 of To Be Hero. Certinately stepped it up a notch from the last two humor-wise.
One downside I can think of already is that I'm bound to lose or break one of the detachable controllers. The cost for those pieces is what I'm most interested in.
Nintendo Switch hmm? Honestly it looks too good to be true. I expect some major downsides to this thing.
I like cartoons, don't get me wrong. Certainly good for a change of pace. But there is something about the way they are written that I find rather distracting.
I don't know, maybe if I said it's like the difference from how characters talk in movie vs how characters talk in a sitcom?
@K-Off, I said one liner's or jokes. Not one liner jokes. It's hard to explain. Basically when I hear a conversation in anime even if it is based in stereotypes, it at least feels like a conversation that's being had in the moment. In cartoons however there is a layer of artificiality and it feels like characters know what a person is going to say and has a response prepared.
That's probably why some of my favorite anime in recent years haven't been very heavy on character archetypes, or were either parodies of it.
Comedic dialogue with anime in recent years have leaned too much on the idea of playing off character archetypes. The collected character vs the energetic character, for one. I'd like to see more variety. Some more word play, hyperbolic humor, body humor, etc etc.
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@Topgavin: I just read that review and his main reason being Shelter is pretentious. oh well! Can't never please anyone.
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@Mario, no. It's more that the dialogue keeps trying to push out one liners or jokes regardless of whose talking.
@Aidan: maybe because they spoke in your native language do you can feel that it's artificial, ya know? I know I have the same problem with Vietnamese drama/ cartoon and maybe Japanese people have that same issues with anime?
By which I mean, the way characters talk in cartoons is very...artificial. Like you can tell that the dialgoue was clearly written beforehand and it never really sounds natural. At least to me.
@Anon, I wouldn't. The writing and structure are too cartoon. What with the episodic nature and dialogue that generally pushes for a comedic tone.
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Flanagan also directed absentia which I haven't seen yet but I think someone I came across of 4chan linked it to being lovecraftian?
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Oculus was a film of two halves for me. Hush was a pretty standard home invasion thriller, making the victim deaf was an interesting twist but not as unique as you might think, still suspenseful though.
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I never saw the first oujia film. Though Mike Flanagan who did the sequel, he's never made a bad movie but he's never really made a great one either.
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I stick to the firm belief that cartoons and anime, visually should do and be their own thing. I'll prefer a western artstyle for cartoons rather than one pretending to look like anime style.
But this is a good topic and I'm sure everyone has their own opinions so I'm looking to hear some more arguments
@anon352392: no they aren't. For me not because of where their production based, nor their intended audience, but rather their styles, both visually and storytelling-ly, are different
Anime,” they assert, is not a “style” of illustration or animation.
That's where I differ to those guys. For me, anime is a style. In that sense, I consider RWBY, and Canadian-produced short Flutter as an anime. Thunderbolt Fantasy is not and anime-influence shows/movies that are intented for Western audience like AniMatrix or Afro Samurai are anime
@Anon nah they wouldn't be because they aren't made by a japanese producer for the japanese market. Quality isn't the question, production is
NX and Red Dead Redemption 2 trailers tomorrow.
They are good series and i honestly like them alot more than most anime series, would their quality make them anime?
What about cartoons like Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, Star Vs The Forces Of Evil?
In other news a sequel to an absolutely terrible horror movie called Ouija is out and it's...actually pretty good? Wondering if critics were paid off or it is legit good. Well it did have the guy who was behind Oculus and that was a pretty good movie.
Simplify the term down enough and anime is literally anything animated but the whole point of the term is to distinguish it. For to call Spongebob an anime makes me want to projectile vomit. Point is this, you say you watched a cartoon, people think Tom and jerry, Scooby doo etc. You say you watched an anime, people think Cowboy bebop, Attack on titan, etc. Whole point of the term.
For example, I don't consider Avatar or RWBY to be anime for while they use anime style, the writing is fundamentally structured like an American cartoon. Through I would consider Bloodivores an anime even though it was made by a Chinese animation company, making it technically a Chinese cartoon.
As far as what is and isn't anime I honestly think of the term as a means of distinguishing it from cartoon which gives the impression of being for children. It's like Graphic novel is to comic book. Though techically graphic novels are issues of comics bound in book form, the term Graphic novel is often used to distinguish works that go above superhero comics and whatnot.
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@Aidan: Did the mods give any concrete reasons why they didn't consider it an anime?
@Mario, It wasn't the community that had the problem. It was the mods. The community made it pretty clear that they considered it anime.
So despite the art style is obviously anime, the character speaks in Japanese, and the production was animated by A1 Studios, it's not an anime? Sometimes I feel sad that the anime community keeps limiting themselves with such fixed minds.
I saw it yesterday and yes it was good. For a 5-minute story, they don't make it too overwhelme with details, and still pack an emotional punch. Moreover it elevates the song. Good stuffs.
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Well anyway I only saw all this because I checked out the video for the first time and wanted to see how others thought of it with a quick scan through reddit. And I get this shitshow instead.
Playing the victim is the one really pisses off the internet. For refusing to admit you f*cked up only encourages people to shove how you f*cked up into your face. That's what really grinds peoples gears.
Yep, seen that too. The mods even put up another tread about the video and tried to guilt trip people by saying they got death threats. Look, internet rules 101. If you said or did something stupid admit to it and just walk away. Do not try to deflect blame or play the victim, that only adds fuel to the fire.
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Finally caught up with JoJo. Diamond is Unbreakable has turned out to be much better than Stardust Crusaders. Should have waited for the season to finish through as I really loved marathoning it.
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@Mario Oh I watched that, certinately worth it. Packed more story that some 12-episode shows do nowadays and gorgeous animation.
and I will check out "Shelter" music video to see what all the fuss is about
*this weekend to be exact.
Sounds like Luger Code 1951 is an OVA that will air next week, the same air date with "my" Zaregoto OVA.
@Mario: doesn't sound real at all to me lol
@Mario, I might be able to manage. If all else fails I can talk about the past of these historical figures.
While I don't mind watchinng Drifters, I swaer if I had to cover that show, I couldn't come up with anything to say.
Do you guys know what language the fairies speak in Drifters? It does sound like a genuine language
@topgavin: humanity has declined is a great show. It has good writing and dark, witty sense of humor. I could talk about it in length but psgels pretty much covered it all. He was really impressed by that show however.
That should be me covered till the weekend. Why do all my shows air on the weekend...
@Mario nah I've watched the whole thing but I'd heard about it at the start of this year and put it off. The dialogue between her and the fairies was great stuff, probably gonna rewatch it this weekend now that you mention it
Alright, I got three posts written up and will be throwing them out in about two hours or do.
I thought you've finished it. Yeah I love her character a lot, so cynical but witty. My favorite moment was when she read about fairy's plan to invent religions. She was like "so religions are invented?" (beat) "I've learn something new today". Priceless
@Mario Oh nice, it was one that I had heard about but never got round to. To put it in simple anime terms, Watashi is best girl
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@Ano340004: the name is Watashi ga Motete Dousunda, or to put it short Motete. I have fun with it but i'm not that enthuastic
@anon the english name is Kiss him, not me. Search through the first impressions if you need the jap name.
then that girl really loves BL (boy love)
what is the name of the anime that the girl is fat and then she got depressed because her favorite boy anime died then she got thin?
Season 7 is awesome so far too. It feels like the tone of the show is finally back to normal and it feels like Adventure Time again.
Whew, I binged all seasons of Adventure Time this weekend. The show hit a low spot in Season 6 but I think it needed to happen...Poor Finn needed the serious character development after what he did to FP.
You guys are too hard on it
Motete is very funny
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When it comes to gag manga and four-koma, I just eventually reach a stopping point with a comedy series in that format. Even with hidamari sketch.
I think it was typical light novel trash based on what was in the PV. I laughed that despite it being horrible that the crowd still cheered anyway, likely because it had a bath clip in it.
The PV was hilarious. I had no idea what the anime was about.
@Aidan I'm good, I'll stick with Working.
@K-Off, you could switch to something like Gi(a)rlish Number if you like. I for one am really digging the satire of the show. Plus I like that it's basically showing how an utter train-wreck of an anime can be made. That PV in the last episode was truly painful.
Feeling pretty disappointed with Working. I haven't gotten any more cynical with comedies, at least I don't think, and its flaws are so irritating.
@Adam Le, I find that with Comic book dialogue. Which is one of the reasons I have gone off marvel movies. Cartoons have it to a degree as well.
I love the instagram shots in Yuri
Maybe I can have a watch through those live action films and do a compare/contrast to see which version works better. After all movie and tv series are 2 different medium, and live-action vs animation is the topic that we never get tired of
speaking of which, the overlap between anime and live-action adaptation from manga is overwhelming. For this year alone, there were Erased, 3-gatsu no Lion, Fune o Amu, orange, and Chihayafuru (part 1&2). Those were just the ones I know.
@Adam: Don't know which genre you're into but you can try Fune o Amu (The Great Passage)
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I can't seem to get into any of these new shows. I don't know, the dialogue always seems off to me and the forced comedy is a big turn off.
Reminds me of a thought I had when I was last at the Getty art museum. People walking past works of art hundreds of years old, but only taking a second-long glance before moving on to the next one. Not their fault really, it's only the professional critics who can understand what they see with depth.
I'm the opposite really, they're getting paid for what they said so they better know their shits
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I suppose I'm slightly envious of professional critics somewhat.
Sometimes you're just meant to experience the ride you know. I don't watch those explained video anymore because after all it's just one guy's opinions.
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And I mean people who art professionals or students.
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I guess I'm just unsure of something, how many people watching "arty" stuff are able to pick it up on their own. By looking up an "explained video" or "explained essay" to get it, am I copping out?
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I feel like I've begun getting on board with the european art stuff but am really only scratching the surface with the Chinese and that stuff.
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And find myself missing whats going on sometimes.
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I'll admit I do find it frustrating, that even though I can like art films, emotionally connect at times, appreciate the visual techniques and admire them for being so different without looking up analysis by people far smarter than myself I honestly feel lost sometimes as to the meaning.
@Kaiser: Apichatphong Weerseethakul's films are so otherworldly and spiritual that I wouldn't dare to call them "dreams" anymore. Check out his "Uncle Boonmie", "Syndromes and a Century", "Cemetery of Splendors". he has such singular vision that just watch and experience his films are rewarding enough
@afgm: well, if we really go over-analyze it, bunnies can represent desire for example ^^
like eating sweet snow is so randomness for me
@Badesh: the things you said might be something I might do in the future. After all I love dissecting symbolism. But for Flip Flappers I need to know more what are intentional and what are randomness first
So Papika is corrupting Cocona? That would make some sense I guess
I mean I guess bunnies represent purity? Maybe?
@Kaiser: I mean yeah I get that things can be beautiful just because they're beautiful. But the effort comes in trying to connect that beauty and symbolism to the story as a whole, which is something I honestly struggle to do with Flip Flappers. It just seems pretty gratuitous at this point.
I don't know I think flip flappers is probably deeper than people might give it credit for. I just don't have the time or energy to piece together the abstraction. Doesn't mean that the meaning doesn't exist, it's just hard (and possibly misguided) to uncover it on the first run through.
but i don't want to get into a "who is right" argument. it was just a wish of mine to get to know the persons view of the world and not just be part of his daily mood
yeah, but i could happen that you grow intelectual but not personal ;)
Kaiser Eoghan
But theres no shame in watching a heavily thematic arthouse thing, liking it then going "didn't quite get/catch that" then looking up what it means.
Kaiser Eoghan
But for going into things, analyzing them, I wasn't saying thats wrong, when I meant overanaylsis I meant people making shit up that isn't actually there.
Kaiser Eoghan
And going too deep into thinking about that image shows the person is failing to understand that they were supposed to interact with it on an emotionally or spiritually intellectual level.
Kaiser Eoghan
Rather than de-mystifying that image or losing its enigma.
Kaiser Eoghan
I just think sometimes people forget that things can be entirely impressionistic or expressionist, people sometimes forget that images don't necessarily need a giant essay behind them or meaning or analysis. What I mean is you can have a 15 minute stretch of gorgeous looking images but the point is that you feel that or see the imagination and creativity because its beautiful.
It requires an understanding and a concept of life of the reviewer that highlights the right things, the things that widens the readers perspective, based on the narrow popculture consicousness that we have, sorry to be that dramatic...
Yeah, i don't mean that kind of overanalyzing :) so i.e. that beautiful picture of flip flappers to the left is so much more than the "character floating through an imaginary world" if you start to go into that, what it does with the viewers heart, you can write an essay weather it was the creators intention or not. that's the kind of thing i dream about and care to read
Of course afterwards they will certainly claim that they planned everything from the colour of toothpaste used but I take that with a grain of salt.
Plus the basic idea that the creator of a materiel is a complete mastermind who has internally planned out a massive series of symbolic comparisons and intricate threads which the vast majority of viewers would completely fail to see. And quite frankly, people just ain't that smart and have no reason to put in such massive effort.
The problem with overanalyzling however is that it's usually down to a series of simplifed concepts held together by a flimsy logical foundation. Like the ring theory of star wars.
...which is only achieved through what you call overanalyzing - at least in the internet world where only words count.
I wish people would "overanalyze" more. For me it get's pretty boring pretty fast to read something along the lines of "this wasn't good/perfect because i have seen better" - that's interesting as long as i need anothers opinion to get a feel for the materia. once you are somewhat experienced in life you only care for this sort of things if you know that persons view of the world...
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Would you say the Apichatphong Weerseethakul's films are worth looking into as "dream" films, always wanted to get into his work but it seems....daunting.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'd imagine if you went looking you could probably find people who overanalyzed Eden of the east (as with anything) to where they saw something none of us could (or that they wanted to see). Something about young peopl in society was one look at it. But for me eden of the east was an undercooked thriller merged with a bad chick flick and the films ruined whatever good will I had for it.
I'm almost giddy with the possibility of this being the closest thing I get to Utena this decade (besides actual ikuhara works of course haha)
@ano327926: Boy, how true. agreed 100% with you here
"liberate pure illusion" is the new "revolutionize the world"
@mnei, that's hardly the only thing in Eden of the east that didn't make any sense. It was a great idea but boy...did the writing fail hard.
Anyone here watched Eden of East and got fucking confused as I do about why Akira had to wipe off his memories and ship NEETS to Dubai? He wasn't really deceived (in my opinion). He didn't have to send the NEETS anywhere either.
@Mario and from what I've heard, they skipped out a whoooole bunch of fanservicey training sessions that happened before the 1st episode. Dunno whether I'm happy or dissapointed with that
I swear Keijo's everyday training is much more intense than Saitama's
I goddamn love Drifters opening.
@Anon, the story improved in volume 3 but I don't think your issues with the show have really disappeared. So yes, it did get better but it still has it's issues.
Did RWBY get better in vol 3? I watched the first two and hated them but the designs of the girls are nice and the characters are even good, I just can't stand these graphics and that shitty plot or the comedy scenes in which it tries to copy anime humor. The "western" comedy is nice.
So RWBY volume 4 airs next week. Nice. I was actually going to write a review on RWBY and just never got around to it. Seeing as it's somewhat anime I say it's suitable for the site though honestly while it is anime styled, the writing is pure cartoon.
So that's Raising project, Drifters and Occult Nine for me.
@Topgavin, seeing as it was pretty much Top of the Preview poll(Besides Natsume but I am not the man to do Natsume.) I will do Occult Nine. I can at least have fun ripping it apart and comparing it to its contemporaries.
@Mario, for starters you can stop calling her a bitch. Flip Flappers is a classy lady so put you fapping aside and treat her good. So yep, it fine by me.
@Topgavin: He'll be fine.... I hope
Guess it'd be Raising project, Drifters and Keijo/Occult Nine..?
@Mario poor aidan, what shows are there left to cover?
@Friend: Ha! I'm really looking for RWBY 4 as well. At one time I was intended to blog RWBY 4 here but even for me (who tend to go off track), I know that covering RWBY would not be appropriate for this site. But I'll give each season a proper review in the World Animation section, I promise!
@Topgavin: I'm a bit underwhelmed with Izetta 2nd episode, but it's still a better-than-average show out there this season. Anw I'm now settled for Flip Flapers
@Vonter: Agreed with everything you said. I remember one of anime blog that I visited had that format: they break the episode down by time, and give their witty comments (sometime pics) alongside. I could see that format work very well for comedy, slice-of-life and shows with heavy symbolism...
So this season I'm blogging Sound Eupho 2, 3-gatsu no Lion and Flip Flappers
Aidan, having watched Flip Flappers, I'd say she's my bitch man. Not sure how to handle her yet but I promise I'll take good care of her ^^
...and you are banned for a day.
@psge1s usually fake names with capital i's work better than a 1
gettin' pussy foh days here
Kaiser Eoghan
Damn, sorry that flipflappers/sangatsu comment was meant to have an @Mario before it, my mistake.
I admit there isn't anything interesting to me this season. But! I'm really looking forward to RWBY! Volume 4 looks so great :D
@Mario could try covering Izetta, even if it might fall off later it might not. All Out/Keijo could work too, but they're quite simple so they'd be short reviews
Kaiser Eoghan
I could see keijo's trash value only working once though.
Kaiser Eoghan
I think there were times where crying scenes had me anxious and I muted. But when it comes to pausing things I'm a demon for that moreso to make sure I didn't miss anything in the subs or because I liked the look of a certain shot.
Kaiser Eoghan
Watamote's a good example of one of those things where you laugh...and then think you should probably feel guilt for doing so, kind of like a Solondoz film.
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