Posted by psgels on 2 April 2010 with categories: Anime Reviews, Armed Librarians - The Book of Bantorra

Without a doubt my favourite show during the past Winter Season. Armed Librarians was always interesting to watch, it always brought nice ideas to the table, and it always was wrapped in a tight script. There are just so many thing to like about this series.

For a fantasy series, the premise already stands out with its simple idea to turn people into ‘books’ after they die: these books can be read by anyone who touches them, and the lead characters are basically bookkeepers of these books (so yeah, the term ‘librarians’ in this series has very much a double meaning). The idea an sich is already very creative, but the beauty really lies in how the series makes use of those books to weave past and present into one.

Every arc is basically laid out with a number of seemingly unrelated plot-threads, that get woven into one brilliantly. Past and present cross each other in the explanation of the ties between the different characters in each arc as we learn about why the central characters became involved with the plot in the first place. Each arc really takes care to make its characters complete and even the character-development is very well thought out within the plot. Conclusions are often very clever combinations of circumstances of everyone’s unique circumstances.

And this just goes on for the entire series. Every arc continues to throw interesting plot twists that are full of creativity like it’s nothing! This comes at a price, of course. While this series really has had the best plot I have watched in YEARS, the characters don’t feel exactly like characters, but instead are much more part of the plot. Because of this, you don’t want to watch this sereis for realistic or characterization. The reason the characters rock in this series is because of what they represent, and how their development ties into the rest of the series.

Then there’s also the matter that this show would have fit better within 35 episodes. Throughout the majority of this series, you won’t notice much of it, however the final arcs are clearly rushed, and you can visibly see that the creators have troubles fitting everything into such a short time spam. Nevertheless, whem compared to so many series that were put into the same situation, it really got away with its rushed ending. While cheesy, it always stays true to what it is, and ands with a huge bang that gives it its best shot to resolve the plot as good as possible.

So overall, Armed Librarians has been an utter delight to watch for me. If you’re looking for an exciting fantasy adventure then it’s an excellent recommendation. The production values by David Production get increasingly better after its first episode, and its soundtrack is truly epic and fits its setting perfectly. It’s been a consistently fun an entertaining ride for me, and I hope it will be for you as well.

Storytelling: 10/10 – One of the best plots I watched in years. So many plot threads weaved together.
Characters: 9/10 – Excllent and imaginative development, but no character is realistic.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Awesome soundtrack, animation that may not be the most accurate, but continues to keep the balls in the air for the rest of the series.
Setting: 9/10 – A highly imaginative world that combines many, many interesting concepts into one. Also is the first fantasy I have seen to actually have democracies.

– Vision of Escaflowne
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28 Responses

  1. Kei says:

    this series has a great plot with interesting concept on ‘books’. the characters from different arcs do not seem to be related to each other but when put together, what an awesome finale! a must-watch :)

  2. Topspin says:

    It’s a shame so few people followed this one. It was one of my favorites of the past year as well, and it was nowhere near as cheesy as something like Railgun or BakaTest (but people will still defend those crappy shows to the death).

    David deserve an award for trying so hard with this one, because it takes a lot of cheese and turns it into an really interesting show. It doesn’t feel like anything really comes out of left field either, except for the wild premise-establishment episodes early on in the anime.

  3. PL says:

    I think A1 studios and David Productions are the next generation of great anime…

  4. tomtom says:

    This series was spectacular but imho a bit too far-fetched overall.
    Mostly commenting to say that I really like the new feature of giving suggestions for older animes, based on current series/ reviews.

  5. Zoberraz says:

    Personally, I couldn’t stomach the female antagonist and became so disgusted with it that I stopped watching beyond episode 7, I think.

    While this blog’s author and I seem to share many likes, this wasn’t one of them. I never really could relate with his impressions. ^_^;

  6. nandaka tarinai says:

    Sadly, the one thing you can count on with almost all “fate of the world” series is that the ending falls short of the buildup. Bantorra is no exception here.

    I felt bad for all the people Ruruta ate who weren’t Hamyuts’ personal aquaintances, lol. I guess the few modern day librarians were so much more awesome/powerful than all the other folks accumulated over 2000 years… It’s also nice that the people of the world basically got mind-controlled into saving it, heh… I could go on, but like I said, falling short in the end is pertty much expected.

    I’m a bit surprised I could never really get into Hamyuts, although I tend to like characters like that. Perhaps a different seiyuu would have done the trick; Paku Romi isn’t a bad actress, but she lacked that certain je ne sais quoi for me here.

  7. theone says:

    You know, I Just had a though, if neeniu never met ruruta, he probably would have saved the world and That would have been the end of it lol

    So that whole thing where Neeniu didnt want to forgive rurta. . .the whole thing was her fking fault! 

  8. Machi says:

    Meh I’ve given my praise throughout the series already. I do wish the production company opts to do some OVA’s of the chapters they didn’t animate, alas if only it were possible.

    Moving on, I guess the real gripe with this series falls under 2 things (not mentioned much here). Which is that one yes the plotting is intricate but at times it does as tomtom says it can get farfetched. While I love detailing to connect things at times it did go to the point that its almost like a magician pulling a rabbit from his hat to connect things. Which is both good and bad, good for the obvious reasons stated numerous times. Bad because it does feel overworked. I think Kaiba succeeded better at connecting small details to reveal plot points better because it left the realizations to its audiences, especially after episode 8 and you opt to re-watch the past episodes. In this show the details would never be realized by the audience at all until the show contrives to bring it to life. Don’t get me wrong the show did a good job bringing it to life but I do think it put too much work there, I don’t necessarily think this is a fault of the production company but the source itself.

    Second, fault well the cheese but I’d like to argue with this one. In the end I think with this fault you’d actually have to propose your own definition of cheese. Sure we have what we’d call characteristics of it present, dead coming back to fight side by side & whole speech on love and courage to save the world. Yes we have those but those that necessarily = cheese? Sure the definition is subjective but to a degree there should be commonality with what can be agreed upon as elements of it. Such as considering it kitsch, as it goes over the top with the emotions and adrenaline. But still was the things at the end necessarily tasteless? Really you’ll have to lay down your terms as to what cheesy so as to start pounding on this point. Even then I’d argue that such “cheese”, whatever it may be, would only be more pronounced or rather present with the finale arc so its not as if it defined the series. The the overworking for small details certainly is present in all the arcs, some more seemless the others more apparent.

    Still the show was excellent as it was quite a breath of fresh air from all the other fantasy series. It strove to surprise (well not like we couldn’t guess big plot points) and succeeded (given that even if you could guess chances are its something much bigger than you had anticipated). Another thing I’d like to praise is the designs which are well rather well endowedg giving of a vibe at first glance of fanservice (1st OP and ED animation being especially guilty). Never de-generated to wasting frames for fanservice. Considering that the show isn’t particularly well known and has a more cult following I do commend the fact that the production company never felt the need to use fanservice to sell. Overall, I’m happy with this series and its great to be over with it, I just wish it would consider OVAs.

  9. MsteaK says:

    What a rollercoast ride. Bantorra is one of my favorite shows from last year (and technically speaking this year too), and the end was just bittersweet, seeing Hamy die made me sad since she was such a quirky and entertaining character to follow. And even in the end, she showcased noble virtue.

    Great watch, that’s all I can and will say.

  10. TJ says:

    The ending certainly wasn’t the best part of the series, but it was decent given the circumstances. Storytelling is definitely the strongest part of Bantorra. Excellent series overall and definitely one of the surprises from fall 2009. Probably the best series I’ve been watching for the past 27 weeks (although FMA:B is getting there).

  11. c160 says:

    Really late,just watched episode 25-27 today,but I’m glad I stuck through till the end.Gotta admit though,the CG in the first few episodes did bother me(reminds me of older gen games) but the story telling was really good and I found the characters to be very compelling,especially Hammy.Her background story is one of the best in recent years and she stays the most interesting character till the end.I hope there will be more series with as great as a story as this one cause for once,seeing the main characters fight for the world didn’t make me cringe so much.

  12. MsteaK says:

    For those that are interested. First light-novel has been translated.

  13. chounokoe says:

    If anyone wants to comment on the translation, visit my blog. I know it’s awkward English at times, but revisions will be made after I get some notice from people who read it.
    So anyway, enjoy the light-novel. ^^
    I think the anime was great, but there’s still so much to tell about the Bantora world. It was a real shame they had to cut it short in the end.

  14. Reltair says:

    Huh, maybe I need to watch more/finish this series to understand and appreciate it. The plot just seemed like loosely connected threads at most, but I haven’t watched enough I guess.

    • cras says:

      Hey, I had the same issue with you. The beginning was so erratic, moving to one character then another, so quickly. That was until they finished the backgrounds of the main characters, and laid in some heavy conflict, which now tested their morals, and ideals.

      The bottom line, you’ll how far the characters will go to accomplish their goals, and move towards what they think is “right”. Also, the way they tell this story is original compared to other shows I’ve watched. Hope you finish the series!

  15. PL says:

    There are a few, very few actually, red herrings…but pretty much all the loosely connected stuff isn’t loosely connected at all…It’s masterful the way they pulled it together.

  16. billish says:

    Agreed almost all around.

    I loved this series.

  17. MsteaK says:


    I’m not a native speaker, but maybe you can get someone to proofread it in the future. You still did a terrific job though.

  18. Kari says:

    I thought this show was okay and it got better as it went on. For me, after the eighth episode I started to like it more. In the end, I thought it didn’t tie together at all and it was sometimes hard to follow.

  19. Dragne says:

    Good series but not without its faults. The arc style of story telling works but makes the show feel episodic. The first few arc’s are slow too.
    The characterization is terrible at times and its nearly impossible to get attached to any character at all because of ambiguous protagonists.

    That being said it offers a lot of fresh ideas and tries very hard to be creative. It reminds me of Cowboy Bebop due to it’s seemingly filler episodes at the start that weave into one story by the end. The differences being CBB had much better character development while sacrificing for filler.

    Recommended over lots of the other stuff out there though. I thought episode 13 might have been the best in the series.

  20. Solaris says:

    Finally ended this after dropping it and resuming countless times. I agree the story is brilliant and has many good cooncept, thus making this one of the best stories in the last couple of years, but i admit it was a real chore to end it. This serie is so heavy to watch and the chars are so bad (expecially when first introduced), you really can’t side with them. I especially hated the main char Hamy. For as long as 25 episodes you see her as a bloodlusted bitch, whose only super weapon is… a slingshot :/. Dull, dull, DULL!! I wondered if she wouldn’t be the main villain of the serie at some point. I soon associated her to the main heroine of Black Lagoon, another anime i couldn’t stomach for the excessive and gratuitous violence she like so much to indulge in. Luckily Hamy’s background story is made clear in the forelast arc, and she also gained new powers for the grand finale, making her one of the most powerful warriors for a reason and not for sport. So i’m not complaining too much. Excessive and gratuitous violence i said. This is true also for Bantorra. I can undesrtand the main theme of the anime was that life comes out from struggle and happiness can bloom from death and destruction too, but each arc is a massacre and as long as all the sinners got redemption and lived the few virtuous characters are killed off like dogs. I’m expecially referring to Volken and Noloty, sacrificed only to appear as summon in the last arc. This last arc is the worst part of the show, being not only rushed, but a kind of plot device to tie all the story together. When the last battle is about the salvation of the planet by the usual generic apocaliptic scenario, the most unoriginal plot device to set up the stage of a show’s final arc, there is something gone wrong somewhere. Pity cause the plot was pretty good till episode 24-25. I’ve got something to say about the last arc’s main char too, Ruruta. He spins a couple of time between the role of saviour of humanity and the opposite, which was a bit confusing. Anyway they managed somehow to make a decent finale so, again i can’t complain more, but summing it all 92 for this is again a bit too much.

  21. Frost says:

    I finally got around to watching this… Had to be in the right mood

    But Ill be damned… Its a masterpiece, and totally deserved 50 episodes… I want to see more of the that world

    The whole concept of people becoming memory books is awesome on its own, theres so much you can do with it

    Oh well, the ending did leave me like “What the hell did I just watch and why was it so awesome?”, but what the hell, screw realism when fantasy is so much better

  22. I have to say I didn’t like this series much. I think its mostly my taste, I got bored of the lame overdone non ending and non sensical dialogue that sometimes pops out of nowhere, all of a sudden people go on about protecting the world and their feelings and thats why they are now so strong and will save the world with purple objects, thats expected but I found it annoying in this series. I guess its not the content itself but just how it was jigsawed in, I didn’t like the uneven flow of things it wasn’t seamless enough for me, its annoying how everyone has their “power” and super strength if they want I liked the concept of a single power because I wanted to see them creatively used, even though I figured the crux of the plot quite early the concepts along the way were quite good, I just don’t like the flow and random injections of emo. Maybe it was my expectations, think I might rewatch it to give it another shot :P .

  23. moochi says:

    i don’t think 92.5 is over the board. the ending has lots of flaws and was just not giving the anime its justice. i’m obviously a big fan here but i totally agree with what everyone else is saying. sometimes i think there should be two different ratings: how much i enjoyed it vs. how much it is actually worth. i’d give it a 90% for enjoyment and an 80% for how much it is worth. there really were too many characters and for heaven to be such a big theme, it really should have taken more episodes or more time to develop. i might be the only person here though that thinks mirepoc is a bit useless. i mean i understand why she was kept alive, but her personality was just “blah”. volken on the other hand received my praise for saving hamy.

    i really think this anime is underrated. but i would also agree that it’s not for everyone, perhaps the light novels would be better =p

  24. Shana says:

    This anime was definitely worth an A if you managed to watch to the end. Like, I feel the main problem with this anime was that like he said, the characters felt like part of the plot. But in the end, the finale was the best part of this anime, everything tied in, all of that nonsense~ Great idea with the book idea, quite the idea. Hamy was my favorite character, too bad she had to die.

  25. starwatcher162536 says:

    The series as a whole was good, yes. However the first arc was simply overwhelmingly good. How everything wove the past and present together was just stunning. One of the very few instances where I immediately watched it over and liked it even more the second time.

  26. dm00 says:

    I put this series on hiatus when it was streaming on Crunchyroll, then it disappeared. It got licensed, and I purchased the DVDs. So here I come to comment, over two years later.

    I don’t really understand your enthusiasm for this series. Or rather, I wonder what a good director and studio could do with this material — there are certainly a lot of interesting ideas and interesting characters but the animation struck me as weak and occasionally crude (for example, watch Noloty float above the landscape when she is fighting Enlike), the actions of the characters poorly motivated (particularly Hamyuts), at least until the final few episodes.

    I suspect the show would be well-served by a second viewing: the world is alien enough that it may be very hard to make the characters motives and actions seem sensible. Unfortunately, I’m not sure it interested me enough to give it that second viewing (though individual arcs were quite good — the ant-man-librarian and his oil-puddle foil, for example, or Noloty and Enlike, and Milepoc’s visit to the city of the film-star), and the ending was, as you say, both cheesy and effective. Bringing the dead back like that to fight in a sort of afterlife, with the logic of the way the books work (and having them blow away in the wind, even though victorious, also dictated by that logic) was quite a nice way to do things.

    But it was nice to follow along your reviews as I watched the series, even though our assessment of things differs.

  27. zuco says:

    Really enjoyable anime and near flawless writing. Slightly disappointment by the deus ex machina ending however when the whole worlds collective will is channeled into a pen knife. Side characterization could also have been better as some of them just come across as 1D character tropes: the cowgirl, annoying kid, thick tank ect. Overall however I was overjoyed to find such a solid anime that I hadn’t really heard of before, really a hidden jem.

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@Mario, starting to think I didn't need my help after all. I hope they make something worthwhile.
On a unrelated note the Dark Souls 3 DLC boss is serious bullshit.
Hey Aidan, thqt Kickstarter project Mecha-ude has passed its goal (nearly double now with 10 more days to go). Seems like people getting real hype for it
Wonder if Bam has played the new Dark Souls DLC. Found it rather lacking when compared to previous DLC from the last games.
@Anon, it's just a video of a still image of anime girls in bikini's with a red circle around one of their chests. Seeing as this thing has no views or subscribers my guess is someones is fishing for views. To which i say...what really is the point of making videos if this is the only way you can get people to watch them?
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I"] hate this crap that they corrupt anime with (crappy video that insults anime)
So RWBY's back. I actually miss the whole RWBY team. Still prefer Ruby's old custom more. Nora looks cool.
With the fourth episode, Vivid Strike seems to have crossed an invisible line that makes it more like the original Nanoha shows rather than Vivid. The kind of brutal beatdown delivered by the co-protagonist and the build up to it is something quite alien to a normal SoL/Sports anime show.
Ep. 4 of Tiger Mask was a lot better than the last 3, quite a hyped fight that was a full 6mins long. Will continue watching in hope of an awesomely long final fight.
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Going back to the fanservice topic, its very easy to complain about it in anything but then something actually comes along that actually does it for you. I mean I always say that I don't watch a show/movie for its fanservice elements and stick with pictures on image boards, but then I ended up seeing a film where I actually got something out of the fanservice while watching the film its.
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The oujia prequel was competent genre fare, the director cared about the characters and every now and the built up a decent mood. Although jump Scares are there . And I always appreciate a horror film having a mean spirited ending. One of the rare cases where the young actors do well in a horror film. The pace is a bit uneven, rushed and a bit laggy .
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In the sense of how messed up/especially bleak those two episodes were.
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There was the sense too with both those episodes of "Jesus...I wasn't ready for that...."
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Though the first episode of the first season and the third episode of season 3 are very hard to beat. Adding to what I thought of s3 ep3 I felt that one hit me on the same level as s1 ep1 did so.
Though in previous seasons I generally only really liked 2 out of the 3.
@Kaiser, though the previous seasons where only 3 episodes long and you enjoyed 3 out of 6 in this season. So yo essentially get the same amount of enjoyment as previous seasons.
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Based on my comments, it looks like I had a mixed reaction to the third season. Three out of six, but the great was was great and forgives it but I still feel that there was more of a consistentancy in quality in the other seasons. I enjoyed every story in seasons 1 and 2.
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The final episode felt like a movie all on its own, I'd have gladly watched another thirty minutes of it, ending was a nice punch in the gut.
Just finished black mirror season 3. I hear people basically complaining that it's not as strong as the previous two season but I disagree. I really enjoyed this and this is a show that deserves much more episodes. Personal favorite is between shut up and dance and hated in the nation. Worst I thought was San Junipero. Overall thought each episode was interesting.
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On the upside I loved black mirrors fifth episode, I'm a sucker for war/action-dramas and I particularly liked the tech in this one.
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Yeah this is impossible for me to sit through, the romance part is also rather dull.
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Eh, this fourth episode is plodding and trite, feels like a bad, poorly dated 90s film.
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@Aidan: Third episode also instilled a great sense of paranoia.
@Kaiser: thanks for that mate. I have too much to say for Flipflappers but to put them all in coherent flow is goddamn hard. And like I said I still fell I left many details out: that gung-ho potato or Yayaka and the twins
@Friend: jugding from the last convention I went to, people loved Re:Zero customs (Emilia and Rem, Ram were highlights. Or you could try RWBY characters (I for once love to see someone cosplay Pirrha Nikos or Velvet Scarlatina)
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@Aidan: Didn't care much for new black mirrors second episode, then again I'm not really the target for that story. The third episode while a bit heavyhanded and predictable was suspenseful, nasty/mean and I liked that about it, did in 50 minutes what some thrillers fail to achieve in two hours.
Holo is a good one :0
Materials aren't a problem at all for the most part, except for anything too crazy like working in brass. I'd prefer it to be characters I'm familiar with.
Does it matter to you that they're from shows that you like, or are you just in it for the challenge?
@Friend Aidan has some good ones there. I'd also give the cast of Akame ga Kiru a shot, I don't like the series but it has a lot of neat character designs.
I was thinking simple as I didn't know what kind of materials you got on hand. I was also thinking of Holo from spice and wolf or Kino from Kinos journey either.
Mm, Tatsumaki might be not challenging enough to design for. Doesn't Shiki simply wear either a coat or Japanese kimono? I do work in set design and not in character prop design, but I'd love to try something that would let me reasonably challenge myself.
@Friend, Spit balling here but Tatsumaki from One Punch Man? I know the costume for that one would be simple enough. Or maybe Shiki from Kara No Kyoukai?
*I don't want to do anything too complex for my first try, but I also don't want to do anything boring. Boring would be a character like Rukia or Celty. Any ideas?
I remember talking about this with Emma/Kaiser before, but has anyone here gone cosplaying at an expo before? I thought it would be neat to try designing my own costume and try something else beside drawing on a computer.
@Kaiser, I am up to episode 4. 3 has been the best one so far.Though in all these episodes I pretty much figured out the twist from the get go. Still this shows always tends to get you thinking.
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I think the roles/identity thing with flipflappers, at least with the protaganist does fit in well with adolescence.
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@Aidan: I've only seen the first episode so far. I felt the acting was intentional and reflected the satire Brooker was going for on the shallow nature of society. Bleak as ever but gloriously grotesque.
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@Mario:Good in depth reviewing there Mario of flipflappers episode three.
Good god this first episode of black mirror is hard to watch. I know exactly how it's going to turn out but it's just so damn painful to watch.
Well, tbh up to where I've seen there's not much explicit yaoi in yuri on ice, only a lot of fujoshi fuel.
@Kaiser. thanks for the torrent. Gonna blaze through this today.
@Topgavin, as someone who watches a metric ton of anime I am rather surprised at that estimate that 90% of it contains Yuri.
My god those gay scenes in Yuri on Ice are hard to watch for me. Wonder if this is how it feels to be a girl watching 90% of normal anime nowadays.
okay, Flip Flappers episodic review was up. This is my lengthiest weekly review so far and I still feel I missed a lot of points. Damn you Flip Flappers
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You have seen the light, not needing to know everything thats happening to enjoy something ^_^
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I've given some consideration to reviewing that oujia film followup.
Whether you see one or the other is entirely up to your preferences, so it makes no difference to me which is worse. I have gotten very tired of generic character types, but again that's just because of the things I decide to regularly follow.
I will say if it must come down to either unnatural dialogue or unnatural character types, at leas the character type is speaking their own words and not the words of the script writer.
Or was that a black and white fallacy? Maybe it was a little of both.
@Realjustified, K-Off wasn't agreeing with me. That's a Moving the Goal Posts logical Fallacy but well I will answer regardless. Honestly it's preferable to have neither. The big mistake you are making here is that you are putting down a condiction that a show must have one or the other. But both cartoons and anime can have both. I just think it's a lot more prominent in cartoons than anime.
Like, having read hundreds of harem manga over the years, a majority of the ultimate love interest always happens to be the first girl the protagonist meets.
Wait wait wait wait. Aidan and K-Off. I get that dialogue in cartoon can seem like it was written by a script writer, but at the same time, lots of anime have characters whose sole purpose is entirely scripted. The whole spectrum of "deres" and everything. What do you think is worse? Unnatural dialogue, or unnatural character types?
You guys should really go fuck yourself, it's a solution and it's nothing short of great!
You guys should really watch the first 4 episodes of Bungo, it's a prequel and it was nothing short of great!
omg!! I just realized To be Hero was one of the show that I reviewed its 1st episode back in Chinese Animation post. I watched raw then though
forgive me if I'm a bit too overwhelmed by Flip Flappers... For this episode alone I took like 25 screenshots...trying to write a review now...
I have absolutely no idea what is going on in Flip Flappers plot. And yet for some reason I am OK with that.
Anyone out there that's a fan of crude humor should go watch ep.3 of To Be Hero. Certinately stepped it up a notch from the last two humor-wise.
One downside I can think of already is that I'm bound to lose or break one of the detachable controllers. The cost for those pieces is what I'm most interested in.
Nintendo Switch hmm? Honestly it looks too good to be true. I expect some major downsides to this thing.
I like cartoons, don't get me wrong. Certainly good for a change of pace. But there is something about the way they are written that I find rather distracting.
I don't know, maybe if I said it's like the difference from how characters talk in movie vs how characters talk in a sitcom?
@K-Off, I said one liner's or jokes. Not one liner jokes. It's hard to explain. Basically when I hear a conversation in anime even if it is based in stereotypes, it at least feels like a conversation that's being had in the moment. In cartoons however there is a layer of artificiality and it feels like characters know what a person is going to say and has a response prepared.
That's probably why some of my favorite anime in recent years haven't been very heavy on character archetypes, or were either parodies of it.
Comedic dialogue with anime in recent years have leaned too much on the idea of playing off character archetypes. The collected character vs the energetic character, for one. I'd like to see more variety. Some more word play, hyperbolic humor, body humor, etc etc.
@Aidan Not quite sure what you mean by that, because it's certainly not even a majority of cartoons that rely on cheap one liner jokes. I suppose it's entirely up to taste, but I can appreciate the energy in cartoons like Steven Universe or Regular Show when compared to the increasingly repetitive dialogue found in some recent anime.
@Topgavin: I just read that review and his main reason being Shelter is pretentious. oh well! Can't never please anyone.
Thought I'd check out the reviews for Shelter on MAl and the top review is a 1/10. Apparently because it's a cute girl we sympathise with her more, which is bad because reasons. I mean.. what? MAL never ceases to amaze me
@Mario, no. It's more that the dialogue keeps trying to push out one liners or jokes regardless of whose talking.
@Aidan: maybe because they spoke in your native language do you can feel that it's artificial, ya know? I know I have the same problem with Vietnamese drama/ cartoon and maybe Japanese people have that same issues with anime?
By which I mean, the way characters talk in cartoons is very...artificial. Like you can tell that the dialgoue was clearly written beforehand and it never really sounds natural. At least to me.
@Anon, I wouldn't. The writing and structure are too cartoon. What with the episodic nature and dialogue that generally pushes for a comedic tone.
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Flanagan also directed absentia which I haven't seen yet but I think someone I came across of 4chan linked it to being lovecraftian?
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Oculus was a film of two halves for me. Hush was a pretty standard home invasion thriller, making the victim deaf was an interesting twist but not as unique as you might think, still suspenseful though.
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I never saw the first oujia film. Though Mike Flanagan who did the sequel, he's never made a bad movie but he's never really made a great one either.
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I stick to the firm belief that cartoons and anime, visually should do and be their own thing. I'll prefer a western artstyle for cartoons rather than one pretending to look like anime style.
But this is a good topic and I'm sure everyone has their own opinions so I'm looking to hear some more arguments
@anon352392: no they aren't. For me not because of where their production based, nor their intended audience, but rather their styles, both visually and storytelling-ly, are different
Anime,” they assert, is not a “style” of illustration or animation.
That's where I differ to those guys. For me, anime is a style. In that sense, I consider RWBY, and Canadian-produced short Flutter as an anime. Thunderbolt Fantasy is not and anime-influence shows/movies that are intented for Western audience like AniMatrix or Afro Samurai are anime
@Anon nah they wouldn't be because they aren't made by a japanese producer for the japanese market. Quality isn't the question, production is
NX and Red Dead Redemption 2 trailers tomorrow.
They are good series and i honestly like them alot more than most anime series, would their quality make them anime?
What about cartoons like Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, Star Vs The Forces Of Evil?
In other news a sequel to an absolutely terrible horror movie called Ouija is out and it's...actually pretty good? Wondering if critics were paid off or it is legit good. Well it did have the guy who was behind Oculus and that was a pretty good movie.
Simplify the term down enough and anime is literally anything animated but the whole point of the term is to distinguish it. For to call Spongebob an anime makes me want to projectile vomit. Point is this, you say you watched a cartoon, people think Tom and jerry, Scooby doo etc. You say you watched an anime, people think Cowboy bebop, Attack on titan, etc. Whole point of the term.
For example, I don't consider Avatar or RWBY to be anime for while they use anime style, the writing is fundamentally structured like an American cartoon. Through I would consider Bloodivores an anime even though it was made by a Chinese animation company, making it technically a Chinese cartoon.
As far as what is and isn't anime I honestly think of the term as a means of distinguishing it from cartoon which gives the impression of being for children. It's like Graphic novel is to comic book. Though techically graphic novels are issues of comics bound in book form, the term Graphic novel is often used to distinguish works that go above superhero comics and whatnot.
Basically I think it was due to Porter Robinsons involvement that they didn't consider it anime.
@Aidan: Did the mods give any concrete reasons why they didn't consider it an anime?
@Mario, It wasn't the community that had the problem. It was the mods. The community made it pretty clear that they considered it anime.
So despite the art style is obviously anime, the character speaks in Japanese, and the production was animated by A1 Studios, it's not an anime? Sometimes I feel sad that the anime community keeps limiting themselves with such fixed minds.
I saw it yesterday and yes it was good. For a 5-minute story, they don't make it too overwhelme with details, and still pack an emotional punch. Moreover it elevates the song. Good stuffs.
Shelter was quite good though. It works well and the animation was beautiful. Song is not bad either. It's got a nice emotional punch to it though it's a bit simple a story.
Well anyway I only saw all this because I checked out the video for the first time and wanted to see how others thought of it with a quick scan through reddit. And I get this shitshow instead.
Playing the victim is the one really pisses off the internet. For refusing to admit you f*cked up only encourages people to shove how you f*cked up into your face. That's what really grinds peoples gears.
Yep, seen that too. The mods even put up another tread about the video and tried to guilt trip people by saying they got death threats. Look, internet rules 101. If you said or did something stupid admit to it and just walk away. Do not try to deflect blame or play the victim, that only adds fuel to the fire.
@Aidan oh yeah saw that live lol. Porter himself even commented on twitter about it, gotta love internet drama
So did anyone happen to catch the big old shitstorm of that Shelter music music when a mod of the Anime subreddit decided it wasn't "Anime" enough and removed the discussion post about it? Oh internet drama...what silly nonsense.
Finally caught up with JoJo. Diamond is Unbreakable has turned out to be much better than Stardust Crusaders. Should have waited for the season to finish through as I really loved marathoning it.
I had a feeling that might be the case considering the source materail for luger.
@Mario Oh I watched that, certinately worth it. Packed more story that some 12-episode shows do nowadays and gorgeous animation.
and I will check out "Shelter" music video to see what all the fuss is about
*this weekend to be exact.
Sounds like Luger Code 1951 is an OVA that will air next week, the same air date with "my" Zaregoto OVA.
@Mario: doesn't sound real at all to me lol
@Mario, I might be able to manage. If all else fails I can talk about the past of these historical figures.
While I don't mind watchinng Drifters, I swaer if I had to cover that show, I couldn't come up with anything to say.
Do you guys know what language the fairies speak in Drifters? It does sound like a genuine language
@topgavin: humanity has declined is a great show. It has good writing and dark, witty sense of humor. I could talk about it in length but psgels pretty much covered it all. He was really impressed by that show however.
That should be me covered till the weekend. Why do all my shows air on the weekend...
@Mario nah I've watched the whole thing but I'd heard about it at the start of this year and put it off. The dialogue between her and the fairies was great stuff, probably gonna rewatch it this weekend now that you mention it
Alright, I got three posts written up and will be throwing them out in about two hours or do.
I thought you've finished it. Yeah I love her character a lot, so cynical but witty. My favorite moment was when she read about fairy's plan to invent religions. She was like "so religions are invented?" (beat) "I've learn something new today". Priceless
@Mario Oh nice, it was one that I had heard about but never got round to. To put it in simple anime terms, Watashi is best girl
@topgavin: I just finished the series yo mentioned the other day: humanity is declined. Man, I love it. I know now I have a thing for dark twisted absurdist anime
@Ano340004: the name is Watashi ga Motete Dousunda, or to put it short Motete. I have fun with it but i'm not that enthuastic
@anon the english name is Kiss him, not me. Search through the first impressions if you need the jap name.
then that girl really loves BL (boy love)
what is the name of the anime that the girl is fat and then she got depressed because her favorite boy anime died then she got thin?
Season 7 is awesome so far too. It feels like the tone of the show is finally back to normal and it feels like Adventure Time again.
Whew, I binged all seasons of Adventure Time this weekend. The show hit a low spot in Season 6 but I think it needed to happen...Poor Finn needed the serious character development after what he did to FP.
You guys are too hard on it
Motete is very funny
Kaiser Eoghan
When it comes to gag manga and four-koma, I just eventually reach a stopping point with a comedy series in that format. Even with hidamari sketch.
I think it was typical light novel trash based on what was in the PV. I laughed that despite it being horrible that the crowd still cheered anyway, likely because it had a bath clip in it.
The PV was hilarious. I had no idea what the anime was about.
@Aidan I'm good, I'll stick with Working.
@K-Off, you could switch to something like Gi(a)rlish Number if you like. I for one am really digging the satire of the show. Plus I like that it's basically showing how an utter train-wreck of an anime can be made. That PV in the last episode was truly painful.
Feeling pretty disappointed with Working. I haven't gotten any more cynical with comedies, at least I don't think, and its flaws are so irritating.
@Adam Le, I find that with Comic book dialogue. Which is one of the reasons I have gone off marvel movies. Cartoons have it to a degree as well.
I love the instagram shots in Yuri
Maybe I can have a watch through those live action films and do a compare/contrast to see which version works better. After all movie and tv series are 2 different medium, and live-action vs animation is the topic that we never get tired of
speaking of which, the overlap between anime and live-action adaptation from manga is overwhelming. For this year alone, there were Erased, 3-gatsu no Lion, Fune o Amu, orange, and Chihayafuru (part 1&2). Those were just the ones I know.
@Adam: Don't know which genre you're into but you can try Fune o Amu (The Great Passage)
Adam Le
I can't seem to get into any of these new shows. I don't know, the dialogue always seems off to me and the forced comedy is a big turn off.
Reminds me of a thought I had when I was last at the Getty art museum. People walking past works of art hundreds of years old, but only taking a second-long glance before moving on to the next one. Not their fault really, it's only the professional critics who can understand what they see with depth.
I'm the opposite really, they're getting paid for what they said so they better know their shits
Kaiser Eoghan
I suppose I'm slightly envious of professional critics somewhat.
Sometimes you're just meant to experience the ride you know. I don't watch those explained video anymore because after all it's just one guy's opinions.
Kaiser Eoghan
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And I mean people who art professionals or students.
Kaiser Eoghan
I guess I'm just unsure of something, how many people watching "arty" stuff are able to pick it up on their own. By looking up an "explained video" or "explained essay" to get it, am I copping out?
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