Posted by psgels on 2 April 2010 with categories: Anime Reviews, Armed Librarians - The Book of Bantorra




Without a doubt my favourite show during the past Winter Season. Armed Librarians was always interesting to watch, it always brought nice ideas to the table, and it always was wrapped in a tight script. There are just so many thing to like about this series.

For a fantasy series, the premise already stands out with its simple idea to turn people into ‘books’ after they die: these books can be read by anyone who touches them, and the lead characters are basically bookkeepers of these books (so yeah, the term ‘librarians’ in this series has very much a double meaning). The idea an sich is already very creative, but the beauty really lies in how the series makes use of those books to weave past and present into one.

Every arc is basically laid out with a number of seemingly unrelated plot-threads, that get woven into one brilliantly. Past and present cross each other in the explanation of the ties between the different characters in each arc as we learn about why the central characters became involved with the plot in the first place. Each arc really takes care to make its characters complete and even the character-development is very well thought out within the plot. Conclusions are often very clever combinations of circumstances of everyone’s unique circumstances.

And this just goes on for the entire series. Every arc continues to throw interesting plot twists that are full of creativity like it’s nothing! This comes at a price, of course. While this series really has had the best plot I have watched in YEARS, the characters don’t feel exactly like characters, but instead are much more part of the plot. Because of this, you don’t want to watch this sereis for realistic or characterization. The reason the characters rock in this series is because of what they represent, and how their development ties into the rest of the series.

Then there’s also the matter that this show would have fit better within 35 episodes. Throughout the majority of this series, you won’t notice much of it, however the final arcs are clearly rushed, and you can visibly see that the creators have troubles fitting everything into such a short time spam. Nevertheless, whem compared to so many series that were put into the same situation, it really got away with its rushed ending. While cheesy, it always stays true to what it is, and ands with a huge bang that gives it its best shot to resolve the plot as good as possible.

So overall, Armed Librarians has been an utter delight to watch for me. If you’re looking for an exciting fantasy adventure then it’s an excellent recommendation. The production values by David Production get increasingly better after its first episode, and its soundtrack is truly epic and fits its setting perfectly. It’s been a consistently fun an entertaining ride for me, and I hope it will be for you as well.

Storytelling: 10/10 – One of the best plots I watched in years. So many plot threads weaved together.
Characters: 9/10 – Excllent and imaginative development, but no character is realistic.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Awesome soundtrack, animation that may not be the most accurate, but continues to keep the balls in the air for the rest of the series.
Setting: 9/10 – A highly imaginative world that combines many, many interesting concepts into one. Also is the first fantasy I have seen to actually have democracies.

Suggestions
– Vision of Escaflowne
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28 Responses

  1. Kei says:

    this series has a great plot with interesting concept on ‘books’. the characters from different arcs do not seem to be related to each other but when put together, what an awesome finale! a must-watch :)

  2. Topspin says:

    It’s a shame so few people followed this one. It was one of my favorites of the past year as well, and it was nowhere near as cheesy as something like Railgun or BakaTest (but people will still defend those crappy shows to the death).

    David deserve an award for trying so hard with this one, because it takes a lot of cheese and turns it into an really interesting show. It doesn’t feel like anything really comes out of left field either, except for the wild premise-establishment episodes early on in the anime.

  3. PL says:

    I think A1 studios and David Productions are the next generation of great anime…

  4. tomtom says:

    This series was spectacular but imho a bit too far-fetched overall.
    Mostly commenting to say that I really like the new feature of giving suggestions for older animes, based on current series/ reviews.

  5. Zoberraz says:

    Personally, I couldn’t stomach the female antagonist and became so disgusted with it that I stopped watching beyond episode 7, I think.

    While this blog’s author and I seem to share many likes, this wasn’t one of them. I never really could relate with his impressions. ^_^;

  6. nandaka tarinai says:

    Sadly, the one thing you can count on with almost all “fate of the world” series is that the ending falls short of the buildup. Bantorra is no exception here.

    I felt bad for all the people Ruruta ate who weren’t Hamyuts’ personal aquaintances, lol. I guess the few modern day librarians were so much more awesome/powerful than all the other folks accumulated over 2000 years… It’s also nice that the people of the world basically got mind-controlled into saving it, heh… I could go on, but like I said, falling short in the end is pertty much expected.

    I’m a bit surprised I could never really get into Hamyuts, although I tend to like characters like that. Perhaps a different seiyuu would have done the trick; Paku Romi isn’t a bad actress, but she lacked that certain je ne sais quoi for me here.

  7. theone says:

    You know, I Just had a though, if neeniu never met ruruta, he probably would have saved the world and That would have been the end of it lol

    So that whole thing where Neeniu didnt want to forgive rurta. . .the whole thing was her fking fault! 
    LoL.

  8. Machi says:

    Meh I’ve given my praise throughout the series already. I do wish the production company opts to do some OVA’s of the chapters they didn’t animate, alas if only it were possible.

    Moving on, I guess the real gripe with this series falls under 2 things (not mentioned much here). Which is that one yes the plotting is intricate but at times it does as tomtom says it can get farfetched. While I love detailing to connect things at times it did go to the point that its almost like a magician pulling a rabbit from his hat to connect things. Which is both good and bad, good for the obvious reasons stated numerous times. Bad because it does feel overworked. I think Kaiba succeeded better at connecting small details to reveal plot points better because it left the realizations to its audiences, especially after episode 8 and you opt to re-watch the past episodes. In this show the details would never be realized by the audience at all until the show contrives to bring it to life. Don’t get me wrong the show did a good job bringing it to life but I do think it put too much work there, I don’t necessarily think this is a fault of the production company but the source itself.

    Second, fault well the cheese but I’d like to argue with this one. In the end I think with this fault you’d actually have to propose your own definition of cheese. Sure we have what we’d call characteristics of it present, dead coming back to fight side by side & whole speech on love and courage to save the world. Yes we have those but those that necessarily = cheese? Sure the definition is subjective but to a degree there should be commonality with what can be agreed upon as elements of it. Such as considering it kitsch, as it goes over the top with the emotions and adrenaline. But still was the things at the end necessarily tasteless? Really you’ll have to lay down your terms as to what cheesy so as to start pounding on this point. Even then I’d argue that such “cheese”, whatever it may be, would only be more pronounced or rather present with the finale arc so its not as if it defined the series. The the overworking for small details certainly is present in all the arcs, some more seemless the others more apparent.

    Still the show was excellent as it was quite a breath of fresh air from all the other fantasy series. It strove to surprise (well not like we couldn’t guess big plot points) and succeeded (given that even if you could guess chances are its something much bigger than you had anticipated). Another thing I’d like to praise is the designs which are well rather well endowedg giving of a vibe at first glance of fanservice (1st OP and ED animation being especially guilty). Never de-generated to wasting frames for fanservice. Considering that the show isn’t particularly well known and has a more cult following I do commend the fact that the production company never felt the need to use fanservice to sell. Overall, I’m happy with this series and its great to be over with it, I just wish it would consider OVAs.

  9. MsteaK says:

    What a rollercoast ride. Bantorra is one of my favorite shows from last year (and technically speaking this year too), and the end was just bittersweet, seeing Hamy die made me sad since she was such a quirky and entertaining character to follow. And even in the end, she showcased noble virtue.

    Great watch, that’s all I can and will say.

  10. TJ says:

    The ending certainly wasn’t the best part of the series, but it was decent given the circumstances. Storytelling is definitely the strongest part of Bantorra. Excellent series overall and definitely one of the surprises from fall 2009. Probably the best series I’ve been watching for the past 27 weeks (although FMA:B is getting there).

  11. c160 says:

    Really late,just watched episode 25-27 today,but I’m glad I stuck through till the end.Gotta admit though,the CG in the first few episodes did bother me(reminds me of older gen games) but the story telling was really good and I found the characters to be very compelling,especially Hammy.Her background story is one of the best in recent years and she stays the most interesting character till the end.I hope there will be more series with as great as a story as this one cause for once,seeing the main characters fight for the world didn’t make me cringe so much.

  12. MsteaK says:

    http://www.multiupload.com/OYSZTDQ430

    For those that are interested. First light-novel has been translated.

  13. chounokoe says:

    If anyone wants to comment on the translation, visit my blog. I know it’s awkward English at times, but revisions will be made after I get some notice from people who read it.
    So anyway, enjoy the light-novel. ^^
    I think the anime was great, but there’s still so much to tell about the Bantora world. It was a real shame they had to cut it short in the end.

  14. Reltair says:

    Huh, maybe I need to watch more/finish this series to understand and appreciate it. The plot just seemed like loosely connected threads at most, but I haven’t watched enough I guess.

    • cras says:

      Hey, I had the same issue with you. The beginning was so erratic, moving to one character then another, so quickly. That was until they finished the backgrounds of the main characters, and laid in some heavy conflict, which now tested their morals, and ideals.

      The bottom line, you’ll how far the characters will go to accomplish their goals, and move towards what they think is “right”. Also, the way they tell this story is original compared to other shows I’ve watched. Hope you finish the series!

  15. PL says:

    There are a few, very few actually, red herrings…but pretty much all the loosely connected stuff isn’t loosely connected at all…It’s masterful the way they pulled it together.

  16. billish says:

    Agreed almost all around.

    I loved this series.

  17. MsteaK says:

    @chounokoe

    I’m not a native speaker, but maybe you can get someone to proofread it in the future. You still did a terrific job though.

  18. Kari says:

    I thought this show was okay and it got better as it went on. For me, after the eighth episode I started to like it more. In the end, I thought it didn’t tie together at all and it was sometimes hard to follow.

  19. Dragne says:

    Good series but not without its faults. The arc style of story telling works but makes the show feel episodic. The first few arc’s are slow too.
    The characterization is terrible at times and its nearly impossible to get attached to any character at all because of ambiguous protagonists.

    That being said it offers a lot of fresh ideas and tries very hard to be creative. It reminds me of Cowboy Bebop due to it’s seemingly filler episodes at the start that weave into one story by the end. The differences being CBB had much better character development while sacrificing for filler.

    Recommended over lots of the other stuff out there though. I thought episode 13 might have been the best in the series.

  20. Solaris says:

    Finally ended this after dropping it and resuming countless times. I agree the story is brilliant and has many good cooncept, thus making this one of the best stories in the last couple of years, but i admit it was a real chore to end it. This serie is so heavy to watch and the chars are so bad (expecially when first introduced), you really can’t side with them. I especially hated the main char Hamy. For as long as 25 episodes you see her as a bloodlusted bitch, whose only super weapon is… a slingshot :/. Dull, dull, DULL!! I wondered if she wouldn’t be the main villain of the serie at some point. I soon associated her to the main heroine of Black Lagoon, another anime i couldn’t stomach for the excessive and gratuitous violence she like so much to indulge in. Luckily Hamy’s background story is made clear in the forelast arc, and she also gained new powers for the grand finale, making her one of the most powerful warriors for a reason and not for sport. So i’m not complaining too much. Excessive and gratuitous violence i said. This is true also for Bantorra. I can undesrtand the main theme of the anime was that life comes out from struggle and happiness can bloom from death and destruction too, but each arc is a massacre and as long as all the sinners got redemption and lived the few virtuous characters are killed off like dogs. I’m expecially referring to Volken and Noloty, sacrificed only to appear as summon in the last arc. This last arc is the worst part of the show, being not only rushed, but a kind of plot device to tie all the story together. When the last battle is about the salvation of the planet by the usual generic apocaliptic scenario, the most unoriginal plot device to set up the stage of a show’s final arc, there is something gone wrong somewhere. Pity cause the plot was pretty good till episode 24-25. I’ve got something to say about the last arc’s main char too, Ruruta. He spins a couple of time between the role of saviour of humanity and the opposite, which was a bit confusing. Anyway they managed somehow to make a decent finale so, again i can’t complain more, but summing it all 92 for this is again a bit too much.

  21. Frost says:

    I finally got around to watching this… Had to be in the right mood

    But Ill be damned… Its a masterpiece, and totally deserved 50 episodes… I want to see more of the that world

    The whole concept of people becoming memory books is awesome on its own, theres so much you can do with it

    Oh well, the ending did leave me like “What the hell did I just watch and why was it so awesome?”, but what the hell, screw realism when fantasy is so much better

  22. I have to say I didn’t like this series much. I think its mostly my taste, I got bored of the lame overdone non ending and non sensical dialogue that sometimes pops out of nowhere, all of a sudden people go on about protecting the world and their feelings and thats why they are now so strong and will save the world with purple objects, thats expected but I found it annoying in this series. I guess its not the content itself but just how it was jigsawed in, I didn’t like the uneven flow of things it wasn’t seamless enough for me, its annoying how everyone has their “power” and super strength if they want I liked the concept of a single power because I wanted to see them creatively used, even though I figured the crux of the plot quite early the concepts along the way were quite good, I just don’t like the flow and random injections of emo. Maybe it was my expectations, think I might rewatch it to give it another shot :P .

  23. moochi says:

    i don’t think 92.5 is over the board. the ending has lots of flaws and was just not giving the anime its justice. i’m obviously a big fan here but i totally agree with what everyone else is saying. sometimes i think there should be two different ratings: how much i enjoyed it vs. how much it is actually worth. i’d give it a 90% for enjoyment and an 80% for how much it is worth. there really were too many characters and for heaven to be such a big theme, it really should have taken more episodes or more time to develop. i might be the only person here though that thinks mirepoc is a bit useless. i mean i understand why she was kept alive, but her personality was just “blah”. volken on the other hand received my praise for saving hamy.

    i really think this anime is underrated. but i would also agree that it’s not for everyone, perhaps the light novels would be better =p

  24. Shana says:

    This anime was definitely worth an A if you managed to watch to the end. Like, I feel the main problem with this anime was that like he said, the characters felt like part of the plot. But in the end, the finale was the best part of this anime, everything tied in, all of that nonsense~ Great idea with the book idea, quite the idea. Hamy was my favorite character, too bad she had to die.

  25. starwatcher162536 says:

    The series as a whole was good, yes. However the first arc was simply overwhelmingly good. How everything wove the past and present together was just stunning. One of the very few instances where I immediately watched it over and liked it even more the second time.

  26. dm00 says:

    I put this series on hiatus when it was streaming on Crunchyroll, then it disappeared. It got licensed, and I purchased the DVDs. So here I come to comment, over two years later.

    I don’t really understand your enthusiasm for this series. Or rather, I wonder what a good director and studio could do with this material — there are certainly a lot of interesting ideas and interesting characters but the animation struck me as weak and occasionally crude (for example, watch Noloty float above the landscape when she is fighting Enlike), the actions of the characters poorly motivated (particularly Hamyuts), at least until the final few episodes.

    I suspect the show would be well-served by a second viewing: the world is alien enough that it may be very hard to make the characters motives and actions seem sensible. Unfortunately, I’m not sure it interested me enough to give it that second viewing (though individual arcs were quite good — the ant-man-librarian and his oil-puddle foil, for example, or Noloty and Enlike, and Milepoc’s visit to the city of the film-star), and the ending was, as you say, both cheesy and effective. Bringing the dead back like that to fight in a sort of afterlife, with the logic of the way the books work (and having them blow away in the wind, even though victorious, also dictated by that logic) was quite a nice way to do things.

    But it was nice to follow along your reviews as I watched the series, even though our assessment of things differs.

  27. zuco says:

    Really enjoyable anime and near flawless writing. Slightly disappointment by the deus ex machina ending however when the whole worlds collective will is channeled into a pen knife. Side characterization could also have been better as some of them just come across as 1D character tropes: the cowgirl, annoying kid, thick tank ect. Overall however I was overjoyed to find such a solid anime that I hadn’t really heard of before, really a hidden jem.

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Kaiser Eoghan
Think of the fine children/breeding stock Aidan and rem would offspring =P
Kaiser Eoghan
Dye their hair, make things confusing ;)
AidanAK47
@Anon, hahahaha, cool joke bro.....
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Lenlo
The one with red hair of course
Anonymous765953
rem? who's that?
Lenlo
Having read the books, theres afew inconsistencies and I dont like some of the choices for actors.
Kaiser Eoghan
*couldn't
Kaiser Eoghan
Buh buh but Aiiiidan you still have the koe no katachi movie and thaaats kyoani =P But lol phantom world was so poor I couldn't get past the second episode. A shame that they could go with the darker spin the author ended up apparently going for in later volumes.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I am currently eh on it as well. Only at the second episode so far. I find it interesting but it has a lot of things that turn me off.
Lenlo
7 YEARS I SAT ON THAT BOAT!

Still havnt finished Flip Flappers. I like it, its pretty, each episode is different, but I can barely tell what the over-arching narrative is and thats a big deal to me
Lenlo
ITS REAL
Lenlo
BOAT TIER
Lenlo
@Aidan, Series of Unfortunate Events was eh. I wasnt a big fan of the TV adaptation, though I did like Neil Patrick Harris
Kaiser Eoghan
@Lenlo: BOAT TIER lmao.
Kaiser Eoghan
Thats why I LOVED flippflappers so much, where else can I get THAT anywhere, totally its own thing/beast.
Lenlo
My big ones for the year were easily Rakugo and Re:Zero. Disappointments, biggest one is Berserk. Ive been following it for years, have the entire series on my shelf, and I watched it like a captain going down with his ship
Kaiser Eoghan
At the same time well, yes its still good to see a non-highschool story in ANYTHING.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, you see I don't really award points to an anime doing something unique to anime, I judge by all mediums as a group/whole. 91 days may be a mafia drama, kabaneri may be a zombie show but theres already plenty of those in the world elsewhere.
Kaiser Eoghan
I could see myself getting some oldskool charm out of alderman if I watched it. I was waiting for yuri on ice to be dubbed. Drifters for all its problems was some of the most fun I've had in ages.
Kaiser Eoghan
The only thing I saw that I truly abhorred though was the new shinkai film.
Kaiser Eoghan
Most of the other stuff I didn't really bother watching. Its pointless for me to shit on about 91 days and re:zero because I was guaranteed to dislike both before seeing either.
Kaiser Eoghan
Biggest disappointments for me were erased , berserk and joker game. Whereas my surprise was lost passage. My favourites of the year were flippflappers and Rakugo. I wanted Kabaneri and dimesion w to save anime and bring back some oldskool charm but that didn't happen.
AidanAK47
Alright I spent over an hour formatting this thing and now I am knackered. Readers, this summery is over 23 pages long so be prepared as this thing is pretty huge. Don't say you were not warned.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Watch it. I bet it will be up your alley.
Kaiser Eoghan
Thats a problem with adaptations, put a voice on certain characters and it can become irritating.
Kaiser Eoghan
And to be fair on scums wish, that it deals with the sex bit in a teen story, well that makes it more daring and thats points for it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Largely stayed away from that series as I assumed it was for young children.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Additionally the relationships in that manga got too convoluted, the comedy stands out worse in the anime too. Still though I DO dig the idea behind the show of two kids who are in a fake relationship.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, you think that's hard to watch try watching Netflix's A series of unfortunate events. Because boy do I want to brutally murder the banker and his family. That may sound severe to you but trust me, you will feel likewise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You were right about it being harder to watch scums wish than read it. I want to hit the twin tails girl with a hatchet.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm laughing now remembering an old ANN review where they stated golgo 13 was a stress reliever for 30 something Japanese office workers, I get that so much more now lol
Kaiser Eoghan
But seriously violence in fiction, anime/manga included is so damn therapeutic.
Kaiser Eoghan
As such I genuinely was able to enjoy the new M night shaylman flick lol
Kaiser Eoghan
Venting here largely because I can, I now imagine the teenage/twenty something audience members at horror/thriller films as the victims in the films, makes it more tolerable to deal with their existence in the cinema.
Lenlo
I cant help but feel theres some cultural aspect I am missing to the Rakugo rant scene. Makes me sad.
Lenlo
Rakugo, continues to be great and gets another time skip. Im always surprised by how engrossing it is just listening to these people talk.
Lenlo
Makes me sad, just like Berserk. Got an entire shelf dedicated to it but its just so slow. stupid boat.
Lenlo
Vagabond was phenomenal, but its been on hiatus for years now hasnt it
Kaiser Eoghan
....well without spoiling towards the middle of that rakugo episode and all throughout during that middle part, my opinion on Yotaro's character went far up.
Kaiser Eoghan
Struggling to remember the name of that josei samurai manga from the 90s (or earlier 2000s), had a gender bending theme.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've already read kenshin and vagabond, I loved shigurui death frenzy and sword of the stranger but found samurai champloo uneven. Theres a kagemusha manga but I haven't read it and I've yet to see/read blade of the immortal.
Kaiser Eoghan
At a glance I'll go against the grain and say I think demi-chan is funnier than konosuba, going on one episode of each.
I've been watching a fare share of samurai films in the last two years and lately so I'm open to wathing more anime/reading manga dealing with samurai.
SuperMario
Hand Shakers, how I love to watch it jumping off the cliff. This show contains lines like "I don't understand... even if I did understand... but I don't understand." It isn't a dialogue that we encounter too often I'm sure.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Sounds good to me. With me covering Little Witch Academia, Saga of Tanya the evil and Rakugo this season is well covered.
SuperMario
so I've decided to blog 3-gatsu, Scum's Wish and ACCA this season. A bit worry about the latter as I still don't have much to talk about that. Let's try it and see what happens; I say
SuperMario
Okay, I'm not hot on Onihei this week, as if the main theme about these two episodes were "people can be corrupted" then I'm not buying it. ACCA, on the other hand, was still very solid of building up the world and its big events to come.
AidanAK47
I have played all the big roguelikes and found they have the same problem. I argee on procedural generation. Even if the map is different every time you are essentailly going through the same rooms and doing the same things.
Masky
Though to be honest, I don't like procedural(or designed room and then game connects them randomly) games much. I much enjoy hand designed dungeons since I rarely play games through more than once anyway so roguelike's appeal of "Every time you play it through its different!" doesn't appeal to me much and hand designed dungeons are much more memorable
Masky
Can't really comment further on that since I don't know which roguelikes you have played, and neither I have played gungeon so I don't know if its badly designed to the point you can't do anything if rng says so. Though I guess there is nothing wrong about liking luck based games, if roguelike in question is truly unbeatable if rng says so, well, its really badly designed one if you ask me.
AidanAK47
Take my last run. Made it up to the fourth floor. Got plenty of guns but none were really useful. Even then ran out of ammo for all of them and the game was cheap about giving out ammo. Plenty of money but shops with nothing worth buying. Over 5 heart containers but no goddamn health. Died on the boss because I rolled out of a bullet into another bullet. Pretty much unavoidable.
AidanAK47
@Masky, that's the theory but in pretty much every roguelike I played its not the case. If the RNG decides you are going to have a bad time then you are going to have a bad time. Skill can only bring you so far. I have played this game for 7 hours and I know I could have finished it in 2. Only thing stopping me is a dice roll.
Masky
Like, the thing with roguelikes is that they can get easier/harder depending on luck, but well done one should be completable even without any upgrades at all if you are skilled enough.
Masky
Thats not the really case with roguelikes though, unless game design is bad and includes insta kill traps and such that are unavoidable if you are unlucky
AidanAK47
I hate roguelikes. Been playing enter the Gungeon and I just lost all patience with it. Getting real tired of my victory being decided by a RNG. It never feels satisfying to finish a roguelike because I know my victory was determined by pure luck.
AidanAK47
So we got to rely on fansubs for it when it's airing.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Nope. I think because netflix only puts up full seasons they are only planning to put it up when it's finished airing. Or when it's dubbed.
SuperMario
But how does the Netflix thing work? So of I have a Netflix account I can watch the show weekly?
SuperMario
@Aidan: that's a dumb way to do things really because unless you watch the show weekly, everyone gonna forget that it even exist. Just look at Re-Life last year
Lenlo
thought*. Words are hard.

Eventually found the actual first ep though and enjoyed it.
Lenlo
Was funny. I tried to find the first Ep for Little Witch, found original short made afew years ago, watched it and though "This is very similar to the original... Whats new".
AidanAK47
Little witch is one of the best shows this season and yet I can't get subtitles because Netflix doesn't release shows weekly. Motherf*cker.
Lenlo
Ore Monogatari I enjoyed. It was a nice romance that actually explored what happens after the confession. Also the 2 leads are just precious.
Lenlo
Alright but unmemorable seems like a good summation.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: one good thing about Seiren is if you don't like this romance, the whole thing gonna reset after episode 4 so there's a chance that you might end up like it. Agreed that the comedy wasn't very good. Alright but unmemorable
SuperMario
@Topgavin: I watched like first 3 episodes and stopped because I didn't have much time there, but I enjoyed what I saw. A well-written and endearing show in my book
Topgavin
Has anyone here watched Ore Monogatari before? Because in the 4 years I've watched anime, I've never heard of it (I guess it did come out 2 years ago) and yet it's turning out to be one of my favorite shows. Always great going into a show expecting nothing and getting pleasantly surprised.
AidanAK47
Only one more impression to go. Should have it up tomorrow.
Lenlo
Im really not feeling Seiren. Its "comedy" isnt for me and I just dont find it very enjoyable to watch so far. Im curious if it gets any better but 2 episodes in it just isnt that good.
HelghastKillzone
That ending scene is an entire side-story compressed into that. Don't expect anymore of it from here on out as the it sticks to ruthless military/fantasy pretty well.
LookingForKeys
@Topgavin I think it was good, making it the second episode. That way the first set up the world the story will be in, and showed how much of a monster the "little girl" really is right at the end, and then made ep.2 the explanation. Nothing against Tanya trying to rip "God" a new one.
That after-credits scene, though...
SuperMario
Hmm, as much as I like Seiren's omnibus format, it doesn't turn out really hot this second episode. Demi-chan, on the other hand, still maintains its endearing tone. Might blogging Demi-chan instead
Topgavin
Yeah, that second episode was much better than the first. Dunno why they didn't start with that to be honest, waste of an opportunity for a good hook episode. The voice for the main girl still sounds weird to me though; I get it's supposed to sound weird because it symbolizes 'her' being out of place and her personality and body being a mismatch, but it'll certainly take some getting used to.
AidanAK47
Youjo Senki, now we are talking. Like Helghast said, Did the god scene way better than the LN and manga. Made it less comedic and more intimidating.
Lenlo
Oh man that Rakugo intro. Not sure what to think, but first time seeing it I liked it
Kaiser Eoghan
I sort of like good will hunting because I kind of saw a bit of myself in Damon's character when I watched it ages ago.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Remaking psycho and ruining the shower scene, for shame van sant, for shame.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its easy to ripoff some obscure thing though and get away with it. The dogtooth director essentially stole an old Mexican film to make that.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: yeah, that following some guys from behind like they were on a RPG games, which I think actually fit with the tones of Elephant. I have such mixed feeling with Gus van Sant too. Don't really think he's a great director.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Although Istvan Szabo is probably a little more well known for that Mephisto film that updates the Faust story. Zoltan Fabri's the fifth seal is a very thought provoking war movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I remember seeing a film documentary that featured Gus van sant in one section, they showed clips of tarrs films, Sant ripped of the cinematography and stole the style from some British short film to make Elephant.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: agree on the other Hungarian filmmakers, I don't know much about them either.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Scorsese's Silence was a big comeback. I really really emotionally connect with spiritual crisis stories.
SuperMario
@kaiser: yep, definitely check wreckmeister down. Althought I admit that watching his 2-hour plus films will feel like 5-hour anyways
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I'm more tolerant of darker teenage/coming of age films/stories. Les Demons was a big surprise.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Though its kind of frustrating, I do think Tarr probably takes attention away from other hungarian filmakers because no-body knows who the hell the others are.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Man, wreckmeister was so visually arresting I started getting dreams from it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I would consider Tarr to be kind of a poor mans Janco, Angelopolus and Tarkvosky rolled into one. I don't entirely "get" wreckmeister and man from London but they are great atmospheric mood piece experiences.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I had been wanting to watch Belar Tarr's Turin Horse and Werckmeister Harmonies for so long now. Well, Fat Girl is shocking haha, but I'm normally drawn into those kind of films anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Margaret took like 5,6 years to release because he couldn't cut it down in the way he wanted. The final cut if I remembered correctly was edited by Martin Scorsese
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Only a HDcam for moonlight now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I looks like my lineup is witch academia, rakugo and youjo senki, well the most latter one until I get bored.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I sense a directors cut for manchester, it feels like it need another 30 minutes.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: right up my valley. Watch Kenneth Lonergan's previous works Magaret and You Can Count on Me. Magaret is very messy but have a raw dialogue and interactions as well
SuperMario
Now the first episodes are over, I will keep on covering 3-gatsu, as for the other twos atm I have 3 options: 1) full romance/anti-romance high school Seiren/Scum's Wish. 2) slice-of-life moe monster girls Demi-chan/Maid Dragon and 3) Mature,dark Onihen/Acca (which although I like them I don't have much to talk about).If you guys have any preference on which shows you like covered then let me know
Kaiser Eoghan
@Helghast: At this point I'm watching youjo senki as an entertaining guilty pleasure.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Too many reboots upcoming, will wait for the dvds instead. I want to explore more of manchester by the sea's director's work. I also want to finally get more into Bela Tarr's stuff.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I was rather shocked by A Ma souer/fat girls final act. Scenes with the Italian in the bedroom were initially creepy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's a nice review Kaiser, a bit jealous with you that you've seen those 3 films which are touted as the best films of 2016. Also Fat Girl, haha, I love that movie.
Kaiser Eoghan
Poor yotaro =< you have so much stuff going down on you =<
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki episode was so good today. That revamped scene with God just fitted so right.
AidanAK47
A official release of that game in the west is apparently coming but it's been a few years and not much news about it.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Ah yes that was the one.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Had to think for a moment on that one but I think I was talking about this. https://vndb.org/v3144
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I'd hardly consider myself a studio trigger fan, but I watched the first witch academia episode there, it was actually kind of fun, got the same reaction from me as flipflappers did, that magical, special feeling.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also, of interest reviewed Kenneth Lonegrans new film: http://letterboxd.com/shao_liu_ringon/film/manchester-by-the-sea/
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Moonlight got some feels out of me though it could of been more, it ends abruptly and with 20 extra minutes they could have spent a bit more time on each section of his life.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I checked out lala land, ending was very well executed, one of three scenes in the film that were impressive visually. The whole thing looked pretty and Gosling and Stone had some decent chemistry. Although it didn't resonate emotionally as strongly as the musicals of Jacques Demi did.
Kaiser Eoghan
MOM I want aiyoku no eustia and I want it now.
Kaiser Eoghan
I've never heard of himawari or tokyo babel. The hellsing comparison at least interests me in dies irae. What was the name of that visual novel again that was coming out soon, Aidan you described it as "And Kaiser would love it because its supposed to be really fucked up".
Kaiser Eoghan
I vaguely remember the anime for 11 eyes, it was very forgettable, even the voice acting was poor, hated the childhood friends and the pacing was poor, those black knight things were kind of interesting though.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: You'll have to add me onto the list of those unsatisfied with the ever 17 writer, I read one of those games and felt it was a bunch of interesting bait that never paid off.
AidanAK47
Anyway I plan on doing a review of 11eyes here when I finish it.
AidanAK47
Can't say I was a fan of Ever17. That was a really good twist but when it came to explaining it their was a lot of contrived development. Generally not a fan of the writer. Looseboy, Ryukishi, Gen and Nasu are more my kinda thing
AidanAK47
@Anon, it is nice that so many VNs are on steam but I wish they wouldn't be stupid with the whole no adult content thing. Not so much for myself but to prevent idiots from writing negitives reviews because the game doesn't have sex. VNs can grip you in a way anime simply can't and while they require pathence and time those can be some pretty powerful stories.
Anonymous678956
@Aidan, I am so happy steam's so VN-friendly now. I think it's a very good type of media. Like anime, it has nice visuals, music and some movement but also the inner monologue and text amount of books. It's the perfect combination. Plus, the routes, which are often puzzle pieces and PoVs you have to go through to understand the whole story. True routes like the one of Ever17 blew my mind.
AidanAK47
Hopefully the two VNs I bought of steam turn out better. Tokyo Babel is supposed to be alright and I heard really good things about Himawari.
AidanAK47
I am about a third of the way through the game and really not much of worth has happened. The concept is interesting but the execution is sorely lacking.
AidanAK47
I went in expecting it to be a mixed bag and it's pretty below my expectations. It's just not really well written and the protagonist is a moron. THere isn't really routes and instead you are pretty much stuck with his childhood friend as the main love interest. Problem with that is her character begins and ends with loving the main.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, damn. 11Eyes is on my reading list as well. Although I almost expected it to not be as good as I thought it'd be (back then). Guess I would have enjoyed it if I was able to read it while the (shitty) adaption aired, maybe I have seen/read too many series by now. Guess I'll still give it a try some day though.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I haven't heard the OST or watched the intro video. I only know it be reputation and have decided to walk into it as blind as I can. Still slightly worried as I was somewhat looking forward to reading 11Eyes for a couple of years and now that I am reading it it's well...not good.
Anonymous675376
@Aidan, same here. I was waiting years for this, since I saw the intro video for the first time. Also, that OST!
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki is already leagues better than Izetta. It's going to be top anime of forever and ever. (maybe not)
AidanAK47
And finally Dies Irae is funded. May actually be able to play and finish the game before the anime airs. If the hype is real behind this baby it could be a new personal favorite Visual Novel of mine. Already looking promising with it being like a cross between Hellsing and Fate/Stay Night. Two things I most certainly like.
Lenlo
@Masky, in regards to style over substance thats where im at with Gurrne Lagann.
Topgavin
Yeah, I'll probably watch the next episode to see whether it can redeem itself. Hopefully it can but considering 1st episodes usually get a lot of budget, there's some severe doubt in there.
AidanAK47
I actually argee with character designs and voices are bad in regards to female characters. Still the next episode might change your mind if we get more into the main characters head.
Anonymous671470
It's boring
Topgavin
Also, it seems I disagree with a lot of people in thinking Youjo Senki will be a massive trainwreck. The character designs are awful, the voice acting is mismatched but most of all the premise just seems so very dumb. If I wanted to watch a badass kill people I'd go watch Hellsing or Drifters, because at least those don't have some op, disproportionate loli as the mc.
AidanAK47
Gets even more complicated when you account for Satire and Parody. You could equally argue all examples listed as being as such.
AidanAK47
Little Witch Academia is a decontruction of Harry Potter....I don't believe that but honestly if I tried I could put some reasoning behind that statement.
Topgavin
In the end, it always comes down to opinion (as with every discussion about anime, for some reason). You could spin any and every series as a "deconstruction", which is why people shy away from using the word. You could argue NGE, Madoka and Re:Zero are all deconstructions yet also argue Gundam, Precure and SAO are depending on what points you weigh more importantly.
Masky
Like, if deconstruction is supposed to be just "break the elements and then play story how it would realistically go down" well I haven't watched NGE, but as far as I know it does have stuff that isn't typical to mecha genre besides the "It would fuck up kids" thing plus "realistically how it would play out" is pretty subjective thing. I mean, its mainly about how cynical bastard the writer is :P
Masky
Like I said, I don't fully agree with it because I find video's speaker's attitude annoying, but I found it semi convincing. Main thing I don't find convincing about it is that I don't think its hard to turn video's own arguments agaisnt it and say that by its own logic NGE isn't deconstruction either, like Aidan just said earlier
Masky
And I don't really have energy for checking out the "correct" one. If there even is one. Anyway, the hipster video I was talking about was titled "What Actually Is A Deconstruction?" if you want to check it out.
Masky
Hmm, well, it does depend on definition you use. Like if you use "realistic" thing, well, Magical Girl shows don't usually have "You turn into monsters" thing going on and reason why NGE's pilots go crazy is from dangerous situations rather than evas making them do so. But honestly, I don't really have strong opinion on matter since word seems to be one of those with several different meaning
SuperMario
for me Madoka IS a deconstruction of Magical girl, and yeah like what Aidan said
SuperMario
I think part of Utena is a deconstruction of "prince riding horse and save the girl" because that notion is just a foundation for Utena to become a prince herself and save other girl. That's breaking it apart and resemble it again in its own way. Don't have to be dark/ don't have to be real either
AidanAK47
@Masky, That's just debating semantics. Besides that difinition would pretty much mean that Neon Genesis Evangelion isn't a decontruction either. Madoka isn't a decontruction because it's dark. It's more in its aspects of criticising why a girl should throw her ordinary life away for something as dangerous as being a magical girl. It does take plenty of the typical tropes and turn them on its head
SuperMario
@Masky: Genre deconstruction is such a tricky word that I normally try to avoid using because there's really no set characteristic about the term and different people have different opinions about what constitute "deconstruction". For me, I disagree that deconstruction have to be dark and real, hmm can't say it well but I will give you an example:
Masky
But yeah, I guess I could try to find the video if you guys are interested, though like I said, I got hipsterish feel from the video and felt rather annoyed through it even though I did get what the point was and found it sort of convincing besides my annoyance
Masky
(not that liking NGE is hipsterish, its just that I find NGE to be more style than substance sort of series <_< Anyway, guy didn't dislike madoka or anything, he just seemed to dislike people using word deconstruction wrong in his opinion)
Masky
(especially with how much they seemed to praise Neon Genesis Evangelion)
Masky
I mean, I think the guy was being somewhat hipsterish, but its true the being darker take on genre isn't same as deconstructing the genre
Masky
@AidanAK47: Some other guy on youtube did video that had actually pretty good point about how Madoka isn't really deconstruction, if you go by definition of "Break it down to parts and then play them straight to show how horrifying it would be in real life"
Anonymous670441
Gente - Ristorante no Hitobito
Kaiser Eoghan
If anything its the hate I have for certain characters that makes it more effective.
Kaiser Eoghan
The obsessional level of attachment is just uncomfortable to me, I don't want to get THAT attached to a non-real character.
Kaiser Eoghan
Its literally just a case of "Okay lets look at this picture of this character, she looks interesting, no feelings or expression from me, apply this fetish, fap, get release, go home. "
Kaiser Eoghan
Or drooling/dribbling/heavy breathing/grinning over the characters. I abhor alot of the anime girls I find attractive or am indifferent, even when looking at ecchi/hentai drawings I'm straight and clinical with it.
Kaiser Eoghan
I mean to each their own. But I really hate the level of emotion/devotion to moe/finding the characters attractive. Such as celebrating their birthdays, going on about how cute/hot they are, how important it is that they're virgins. Or not being being self-aware of how irritating the characters are.
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