Posted by psgels on 2 April 2010 with categories: Anime Reviews, Armed Librarians - The Book of Bantorra




Without a doubt my favourite show during the past Winter Season. Armed Librarians was always interesting to watch, it always brought nice ideas to the table, and it always was wrapped in a tight script. There are just so many thing to like about this series.

For a fantasy series, the premise already stands out with its simple idea to turn people into ‘books’ after they die: these books can be read by anyone who touches them, and the lead characters are basically bookkeepers of these books (so yeah, the term ‘librarians’ in this series has very much a double meaning). The idea an sich is already very creative, but the beauty really lies in how the series makes use of those books to weave past and present into one.

Every arc is basically laid out with a number of seemingly unrelated plot-threads, that get woven into one brilliantly. Past and present cross each other in the explanation of the ties between the different characters in each arc as we learn about why the central characters became involved with the plot in the first place. Each arc really takes care to make its characters complete and even the character-development is very well thought out within the plot. Conclusions are often very clever combinations of circumstances of everyone’s unique circumstances.

And this just goes on for the entire series. Every arc continues to throw interesting plot twists that are full of creativity like it’s nothing! This comes at a price, of course. While this series really has had the best plot I have watched in YEARS, the characters don’t feel exactly like characters, but instead are much more part of the plot. Because of this, you don’t want to watch this sereis for realistic or characterization. The reason the characters rock in this series is because of what they represent, and how their development ties into the rest of the series.

Then there’s also the matter that this show would have fit better within 35 episodes. Throughout the majority of this series, you won’t notice much of it, however the final arcs are clearly rushed, and you can visibly see that the creators have troubles fitting everything into such a short time spam. Nevertheless, whem compared to so many series that were put into the same situation, it really got away with its rushed ending. While cheesy, it always stays true to what it is, and ands with a huge bang that gives it its best shot to resolve the plot as good as possible.

So overall, Armed Librarians has been an utter delight to watch for me. If you’re looking for an exciting fantasy adventure then it’s an excellent recommendation. The production values by David Production get increasingly better after its first episode, and its soundtrack is truly epic and fits its setting perfectly. It’s been a consistently fun an entertaining ride for me, and I hope it will be for you as well.

Storytelling: 10/10 – One of the best plots I watched in years. So many plot threads weaved together.
Characters: 9/10 – Excllent and imaginative development, but no character is realistic.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Awesome soundtrack, animation that may not be the most accurate, but continues to keep the balls in the air for the rest of the series.
Setting: 9/10 – A highly imaginative world that combines many, many interesting concepts into one. Also is the first fantasy I have seen to actually have democracies.

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28 Responses

  1. Kei says:

    this series has a great plot with interesting concept on ‘books’. the characters from different arcs do not seem to be related to each other but when put together, what an awesome finale! a must-watch :)

  2. Topspin says:

    It’s a shame so few people followed this one. It was one of my favorites of the past year as well, and it was nowhere near as cheesy as something like Railgun or BakaTest (but people will still defend those crappy shows to the death).

    David deserve an award for trying so hard with this one, because it takes a lot of cheese and turns it into an really interesting show. It doesn’t feel like anything really comes out of left field either, except for the wild premise-establishment episodes early on in the anime.

  3. PL says:

    I think A1 studios and David Productions are the next generation of great anime…

  4. tomtom says:

    This series was spectacular but imho a bit too far-fetched overall.
    Mostly commenting to say that I really like the new feature of giving suggestions for older animes, based on current series/ reviews.

  5. Zoberraz says:

    Personally, I couldn’t stomach the female antagonist and became so disgusted with it that I stopped watching beyond episode 7, I think.

    While this blog’s author and I seem to share many likes, this wasn’t one of them. I never really could relate with his impressions. ^_^;

  6. nandaka tarinai says:

    Sadly, the one thing you can count on with almost all “fate of the world” series is that the ending falls short of the buildup. Bantorra is no exception here.

    I felt bad for all the people Ruruta ate who weren’t Hamyuts’ personal aquaintances, lol. I guess the few modern day librarians were so much more awesome/powerful than all the other folks accumulated over 2000 years… It’s also nice that the people of the world basically got mind-controlled into saving it, heh… I could go on, but like I said, falling short in the end is pertty much expected.

    I’m a bit surprised I could never really get into Hamyuts, although I tend to like characters like that. Perhaps a different seiyuu would have done the trick; Paku Romi isn’t a bad actress, but she lacked that certain je ne sais quoi for me here.

  7. theone says:

    You know, I Just had a though, if neeniu never met ruruta, he probably would have saved the world and That would have been the end of it lol

    So that whole thing where Neeniu didnt want to forgive rurta. . .the whole thing was her fking fault! 
    LoL.

  8. Machi says:

    Meh I’ve given my praise throughout the series already. I do wish the production company opts to do some OVA’s of the chapters they didn’t animate, alas if only it were possible.

    Moving on, I guess the real gripe with this series falls under 2 things (not mentioned much here). Which is that one yes the plotting is intricate but at times it does as tomtom says it can get farfetched. While I love detailing to connect things at times it did go to the point that its almost like a magician pulling a rabbit from his hat to connect things. Which is both good and bad, good for the obvious reasons stated numerous times. Bad because it does feel overworked. I think Kaiba succeeded better at connecting small details to reveal plot points better because it left the realizations to its audiences, especially after episode 8 and you opt to re-watch the past episodes. In this show the details would never be realized by the audience at all until the show contrives to bring it to life. Don’t get me wrong the show did a good job bringing it to life but I do think it put too much work there, I don’t necessarily think this is a fault of the production company but the source itself.

    Second, fault well the cheese but I’d like to argue with this one. In the end I think with this fault you’d actually have to propose your own definition of cheese. Sure we have what we’d call characteristics of it present, dead coming back to fight side by side & whole speech on love and courage to save the world. Yes we have those but those that necessarily = cheese? Sure the definition is subjective but to a degree there should be commonality with what can be agreed upon as elements of it. Such as considering it kitsch, as it goes over the top with the emotions and adrenaline. But still was the things at the end necessarily tasteless? Really you’ll have to lay down your terms as to what cheesy so as to start pounding on this point. Even then I’d argue that such “cheese”, whatever it may be, would only be more pronounced or rather present with the finale arc so its not as if it defined the series. The the overworking for small details certainly is present in all the arcs, some more seemless the others more apparent.

    Still the show was excellent as it was quite a breath of fresh air from all the other fantasy series. It strove to surprise (well not like we couldn’t guess big plot points) and succeeded (given that even if you could guess chances are its something much bigger than you had anticipated). Another thing I’d like to praise is the designs which are well rather well endowedg giving of a vibe at first glance of fanservice (1st OP and ED animation being especially guilty). Never de-generated to wasting frames for fanservice. Considering that the show isn’t particularly well known and has a more cult following I do commend the fact that the production company never felt the need to use fanservice to sell. Overall, I’m happy with this series and its great to be over with it, I just wish it would consider OVAs.

  9. MsteaK says:

    What a rollercoast ride. Bantorra is one of my favorite shows from last year (and technically speaking this year too), and the end was just bittersweet, seeing Hamy die made me sad since she was such a quirky and entertaining character to follow. And even in the end, she showcased noble virtue.

    Great watch, that’s all I can and will say.

  10. TJ says:

    The ending certainly wasn’t the best part of the series, but it was decent given the circumstances. Storytelling is definitely the strongest part of Bantorra. Excellent series overall and definitely one of the surprises from fall 2009. Probably the best series I’ve been watching for the past 27 weeks (although FMA:B is getting there).

  11. c160 says:

    Really late,just watched episode 25-27 today,but I’m glad I stuck through till the end.Gotta admit though,the CG in the first few episodes did bother me(reminds me of older gen games) but the story telling was really good and I found the characters to be very compelling,especially Hammy.Her background story is one of the best in recent years and she stays the most interesting character till the end.I hope there will be more series with as great as a story as this one cause for once,seeing the main characters fight for the world didn’t make me cringe so much.

  12. MsteaK says:

    http://www.multiupload.com/OYSZTDQ430

    For those that are interested. First light-novel has been translated.

  13. chounokoe says:

    If anyone wants to comment on the translation, visit my blog. I know it’s awkward English at times, but revisions will be made after I get some notice from people who read it.
    So anyway, enjoy the light-novel. ^^
    I think the anime was great, but there’s still so much to tell about the Bantora world. It was a real shame they had to cut it short in the end.

  14. Reltair says:

    Huh, maybe I need to watch more/finish this series to understand and appreciate it. The plot just seemed like loosely connected threads at most, but I haven’t watched enough I guess.

    • cras says:

      Hey, I had the same issue with you. The beginning was so erratic, moving to one character then another, so quickly. That was until they finished the backgrounds of the main characters, and laid in some heavy conflict, which now tested their morals, and ideals.

      The bottom line, you’ll how far the characters will go to accomplish their goals, and move towards what they think is “right”. Also, the way they tell this story is original compared to other shows I’ve watched. Hope you finish the series!

  15. PL says:

    There are a few, very few actually, red herrings…but pretty much all the loosely connected stuff isn’t loosely connected at all…It’s masterful the way they pulled it together.

  16. billish says:

    Agreed almost all around.

    I loved this series.

  17. MsteaK says:

    @chounokoe

    I’m not a native speaker, but maybe you can get someone to proofread it in the future. You still did a terrific job though.

  18. Kari says:

    I thought this show was okay and it got better as it went on. For me, after the eighth episode I started to like it more. In the end, I thought it didn’t tie together at all and it was sometimes hard to follow.

  19. Dragne says:

    Good series but not without its faults. The arc style of story telling works but makes the show feel episodic. The first few arc’s are slow too.
    The characterization is terrible at times and its nearly impossible to get attached to any character at all because of ambiguous protagonists.

    That being said it offers a lot of fresh ideas and tries very hard to be creative. It reminds me of Cowboy Bebop due to it’s seemingly filler episodes at the start that weave into one story by the end. The differences being CBB had much better character development while sacrificing for filler.

    Recommended over lots of the other stuff out there though. I thought episode 13 might have been the best in the series.

  20. Solaris says:

    Finally ended this after dropping it and resuming countless times. I agree the story is brilliant and has many good cooncept, thus making this one of the best stories in the last couple of years, but i admit it was a real chore to end it. This serie is so heavy to watch and the chars are so bad (expecially when first introduced), you really can’t side with them. I especially hated the main char Hamy. For as long as 25 episodes you see her as a bloodlusted bitch, whose only super weapon is… a slingshot :/. Dull, dull, DULL!! I wondered if she wouldn’t be the main villain of the serie at some point. I soon associated her to the main heroine of Black Lagoon, another anime i couldn’t stomach for the excessive and gratuitous violence she like so much to indulge in. Luckily Hamy’s background story is made clear in the forelast arc, and she also gained new powers for the grand finale, making her one of the most powerful warriors for a reason and not for sport. So i’m not complaining too much. Excessive and gratuitous violence i said. This is true also for Bantorra. I can undesrtand the main theme of the anime was that life comes out from struggle and happiness can bloom from death and destruction too, but each arc is a massacre and as long as all the sinners got redemption and lived the few virtuous characters are killed off like dogs. I’m expecially referring to Volken and Noloty, sacrificed only to appear as summon in the last arc. This last arc is the worst part of the show, being not only rushed, but a kind of plot device to tie all the story together. When the last battle is about the salvation of the planet by the usual generic apocaliptic scenario, the most unoriginal plot device to set up the stage of a show’s final arc, there is something gone wrong somewhere. Pity cause the plot was pretty good till episode 24-25. I’ve got something to say about the last arc’s main char too, Ruruta. He spins a couple of time between the role of saviour of humanity and the opposite, which was a bit confusing. Anyway they managed somehow to make a decent finale so, again i can’t complain more, but summing it all 92 for this is again a bit too much.

  21. Frost says:

    I finally got around to watching this… Had to be in the right mood

    But Ill be damned… Its a masterpiece, and totally deserved 50 episodes… I want to see more of the that world

    The whole concept of people becoming memory books is awesome on its own, theres so much you can do with it

    Oh well, the ending did leave me like “What the hell did I just watch and why was it so awesome?”, but what the hell, screw realism when fantasy is so much better

  22. I have to say I didn’t like this series much. I think its mostly my taste, I got bored of the lame overdone non ending and non sensical dialogue that sometimes pops out of nowhere, all of a sudden people go on about protecting the world and their feelings and thats why they are now so strong and will save the world with purple objects, thats expected but I found it annoying in this series. I guess its not the content itself but just how it was jigsawed in, I didn’t like the uneven flow of things it wasn’t seamless enough for me, its annoying how everyone has their “power” and super strength if they want I liked the concept of a single power because I wanted to see them creatively used, even though I figured the crux of the plot quite early the concepts along the way were quite good, I just don’t like the flow and random injections of emo. Maybe it was my expectations, think I might rewatch it to give it another shot :P .

  23. moochi says:

    i don’t think 92.5 is over the board. the ending has lots of flaws and was just not giving the anime its justice. i’m obviously a big fan here but i totally agree with what everyone else is saying. sometimes i think there should be two different ratings: how much i enjoyed it vs. how much it is actually worth. i’d give it a 90% for enjoyment and an 80% for how much it is worth. there really were too many characters and for heaven to be such a big theme, it really should have taken more episodes or more time to develop. i might be the only person here though that thinks mirepoc is a bit useless. i mean i understand why she was kept alive, but her personality was just “blah”. volken on the other hand received my praise for saving hamy.

    i really think this anime is underrated. but i would also agree that it’s not for everyone, perhaps the light novels would be better =p

  24. Shana says:

    This anime was definitely worth an A if you managed to watch to the end. Like, I feel the main problem with this anime was that like he said, the characters felt like part of the plot. But in the end, the finale was the best part of this anime, everything tied in, all of that nonsense~ Great idea with the book idea, quite the idea. Hamy was my favorite character, too bad she had to die.

  25. starwatcher162536 says:

    The series as a whole was good, yes. However the first arc was simply overwhelmingly good. How everything wove the past and present together was just stunning. One of the very few instances where I immediately watched it over and liked it even more the second time.

  26. dm00 says:

    I put this series on hiatus when it was streaming on Crunchyroll, then it disappeared. It got licensed, and I purchased the DVDs. So here I come to comment, over two years later.

    I don’t really understand your enthusiasm for this series. Or rather, I wonder what a good director and studio could do with this material — there are certainly a lot of interesting ideas and interesting characters but the animation struck me as weak and occasionally crude (for example, watch Noloty float above the landscape when she is fighting Enlike), the actions of the characters poorly motivated (particularly Hamyuts), at least until the final few episodes.

    I suspect the show would be well-served by a second viewing: the world is alien enough that it may be very hard to make the characters motives and actions seem sensible. Unfortunately, I’m not sure it interested me enough to give it that second viewing (though individual arcs were quite good — the ant-man-librarian and his oil-puddle foil, for example, or Noloty and Enlike, and Milepoc’s visit to the city of the film-star), and the ending was, as you say, both cheesy and effective. Bringing the dead back like that to fight in a sort of afterlife, with the logic of the way the books work (and having them blow away in the wind, even though victorious, also dictated by that logic) was quite a nice way to do things.

    But it was nice to follow along your reviews as I watched the series, even though our assessment of things differs.

  27. zuco says:

    Really enjoyable anime and near flawless writing. Slightly disappointment by the deus ex machina ending however when the whole worlds collective will is channeled into a pen knife. Side characterization could also have been better as some of them just come across as 1D character tropes: the cowgirl, annoying kid, thick tank ect. Overall however I was overjoyed to find such a solid anime that I hadn’t really heard of before, really a hidden jem.

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AidanAK47
Well yeah, but they didn't have as many Animation studios back then as we do right now. So it's not so much that we lost artistic merit but rather the number of studios cashing in on popular trends for a quick buck have increased. Even then, I am willing to put money on there being just as much harem anime in yesteryear as we have cute girls shows in present.
Lenlo
Perhaps, but I would argue those were on smaller scales, and even then, thats not so different from Western animation or movies. Just look at Warner Bros and their DC push after the success of Marvel. Every industry has those who chase successful trends, yet they arnt failing
AidanAK47
@lenlo, the thing is though that before Moe crap there was eva copy crap and before eva copy crap you had space opera crap and before space opera crap you had hyperviolet OVA crap. The industry has always tried to cash in on a popular trend.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel people went apeshit over, say highschool of the dead because they never saw a bunch of old B/exploitation films, thus that show was never special to me and even failed at an imitation of such.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think people getting to excited for it being unique to a single medium or for, its setting themselve up for disappointment.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I just think its incredibly limited thinking to base it all on just ONE medium, you CAN hold up anime to film when anaylzing anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Why should 91 days get a free pass just because its an anime about gangsters? Go watch a film about it instead which theres probably many of, joker game fail you as the mature spy thriller it ended up not being, who cares, Tinker tailor soldier spy exists.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I dislike this "Its unique for an anime/manga to do this, so instantly lets latch on to it, despite fact that same something is already extremely prevalent in other mediums "
Kaiser-Eoghan
Case in point 91 days and Joker game "It has adults, lets pre-rejoice before the show even came out"
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel though because of the level of dissatisfaction with said moe shows that people are going to leap far too quickly on anything just slightly different, getting their hopes up too high and end up feeling let down.
Lenlo
That, or it all comes crashing down around our ears. With stuff like Houseki no Kuni and Made in Abyss from last year however, I think its going to be ok. We are just getting inundated with crap right now.
Lenlo
I do think that some of the artistic part of it has been lost, its gotten diluted in the never ending river of Moe crap. But that doesnt mean its gone. Just harder to find. Eventually all the random moe shows no one cares about will fail and stop getting made. But the anime audience will still be around, to enjoy the better stuff thats left.
Lenlo
Same thing happened in the mid/late 90's and early 00's to American cartoons.
Lenlo
Eh, I dont think anime is dying. Changing no doubt. Its going through a rough growth stage right now. It has a bigger audience than ever and people are trying to cash in on that with lots of shows that are basically the same
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Tank you and damn you for posting screencap of loli-tachibana, I now have cuteness overload a diabeetus =<
Kaiser-Eoghan
I realize thats a very minor detail to focus on though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats why I can really really get into a history manga if the art is top quality, the costume designs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the historical thing, I have a massive I repeat massive thing for full body medieval armoured characters hacking the shit into things or just the armour in general , especially templar armour designs. I also have an little obsession with male aristocratic army uniforms from the Prussian era and world war 2.
Kaiser-Eoghan
That recent Urasawa manga Travlos mentioned is ending also
@Mario: We might get a complete adaptation of after the rain, the manga is ending.
Kaiser-Eoghan
More historical manga I found, haven't read the second one however, I didn't hear those two mentioned on here either before.
Kaiser-Eoghan
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http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Ad-Astra-Scipio-to-Hannibal"]
AidanAK47
@Anon, yes clearly you know better than everyone else on the planet despite having no evidence whatsoever to back up you claims. Thank you nameless Stranger, we owe you a debt for telling us the same thing we hear every year. Let me congratulate you by kicking you out the door.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can generally come up with an opinion for what I follow/watch/read , but I don't really have one on kokkuu.
KTravlos
Well we watched the first episode of Kokkuku. Interesting. The ED theme is quite the fanservice.
SuperMario
@Ktravlos: If your like to check out some other shows this season then I'd definitely recommend After the Rain.
SuperMario
@KTravlos: at least Kino is thought-provoking. I can't say the same for Violet Evergarden. In fact I remain skeptical with VE
KTravlos
I am quite enjoying both Violet Evergarden and Mahoutsukai. Violet gives me similar vibes to the first Kio series, though obviously Kino was a better series.
SuperWooper
EPIC post, anon!
Anonymous1825128
Of course, as ardent fans of anime, the writers of this site would not deign to agree or even entertain the idea that their passion is no longer the same artisanal endeavor it once was.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Oh. Actually surprised I forgot about that. Yeah, when it comes to something being described as edgy I think Goblin Slayer fits that definition perfectly.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, You can still throw down your take if you want.
Anonymous1824209
AidanAK47 - Or the women shields.
Lenlo
You know, sometimes I dont regret forgetting about this chatbox. Missing the "anime is dying" conversation? One of those times
AidanAK47
Oh, Goblin Slayer is getting an anime adaption. I was rather lukewarm on it but I wonder how the anime is going to handle the rather unsavoury aspects. Like the rape. Lots and lots of rape.
AidanAK47
I remember the last guy said he would make a chart and I thought it was a brillent idea as at least something useful could come out of this old dead horse. Then his chart turned out to be a useless jpeg with series thrown to the left or right.
AidanAK47
It does stir up conversation but it's really just the same conversation repeated. I remember stating the exact same points Nayrael and Bokusen are saying around a year ago when this last came up.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Indeed Ratings are subjective but it would at least be a general mainstream consensus of the quality of anime over the years. Not final but at least it's better evidence than one persons general assumption. And other factors are impossible to quaitify.
Nayrael
A good parody of the "Anime back then and now - what happened? meme (if the links are not blocked here): https://i.imgur.com/JZqxz6f.jpg
Nayrael
Not to mention that back in the olden days you didn't see every Anime that aired. Official translators and fansubbers selected the best stuff, which resulted in you seeing the best shows and never even knowing about the shit-tier shows.
Bokusen
I think that people who say "anime is dying" are just getting too nostalgic. It's easy to remember the hit series from earlier seasons. It's less easy to remember all the forgettable generic series that you dropped after 1 episode, and so anime tends to "seem better" back then because of people's tendency towards selective memory.
Anonymous1820731
Why are there more bad anime? Because there are more anime being made. That means the good ones are buried under the lots of bad ones. But saying "anime is dying" from that is like saying "music is dead because I don't like Britney Spears." Why does this conversation always come up, its obvious conversation bait.
Anonymous1820589
@Aidan: You are the first to obsess over the fact that reviews are subjective. And since they're subjective, looking at anime 'ratings' over time does nothing to gauge the measure of effort and artistic talent that goes into making anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which I got my answer by the way.
SuperWooper
>average review scores
What do those have to do with whether anime is "dying" or not? You'd need to look at the money.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Want to add that I agree with both you and Aidan, only brought up those two topics back there because I wanted to know what shows now will be popular in the future.
SuperMario
I'm on the side of Aidan regarding to this. For me it's not neccessary means the anime industry has become "better" or "worse", it's just that it takes new shape and trends and based on the number of anime produced, the industry isn't going down soon
AidanAK47
Am I really going to draft up a chart gathering average review scores of the past 25 years just t shut up this talk of anime dying?
But even if I did that won't toss aside this nonsense.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know this is complete guesswork.
AidanAK47
Plus the industry is dying? Bloody hell, we got major companies FUNDING anime. Streaming services and more anime coming out that ever before. You can argue that this new anime is weaker but honestly it's just misguided. It takes time but great shows are still coming out. Just like back then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well thats kind of what I meant, what, when passage of time comes into it are going to end up being classic based on that, speculatively speaking.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats probably a much better way of phrasing it, inheriting mantles. I'm going to say that promised neverland is presently along with Titan a BIG modern shounen.
AidanAK47
Anyway my point is that the shows of the past, the so called classics, are just as flawed as the shows of today. It is only through the passage of time that they become classics. When Stein;Gate finished airing, I seen no one call it a classic. Same goes for Madoka and Fate/Zero. Now, you have people putting up the pedestals.
AidanAK47
Though if anything has inherited the Shounen mantle, it's likely Boku no hero.
AidanAK47
There is no big three Shounen and that's honestly for the best. Because in generally the declining aspect of Naruto and Bleach was mainly due to the pressure on the mangaka to put out chapters on a weekly basis. In fact it's pretty much the primary factor in Bleachs decline.
AidanAK47
Bebop is great but even it is hit and miss by nature. Doubt many remember much about the casino episode and the Alien spoof episode is likely not anyone's favorite. Eva is massively flawed but no one wants to admit it due to the massive amount of praise it receives and influence it has on the industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But what is the new big three shounen?
AidanAK47
If we go further back to DBZ, that has tons of issues with filler, dragging out episodes, animation shortcuts, and even complaints of it doing the same thing over and over again with it's story. No to mention the underutilised cast and the everlasting act up putting Goku on a greater pedestal.
AidanAK47
But let us dissect this viewpoint of yours. You claim the Shouen-jump canon as a great, guessing that refers to the shounen big three. But aside from One piece, the other two are emmensily flawed. Naruto is 50% filler and Bleach drops seriously in quality after soul society.
AidanAK47
Also Fate series is trash? That definitely seems aimed at me. What first series are you referring to? Fate/Zero, Fate/Stay Night 2006? Fate/UTW? The same thing over and over again? Sure each series has a holy grail war, but none of them every turned out the same. I am more than willing to admit that the spinoff series outside of the main canon are lesser. Calling them trash however is hyperbole.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Not this crap again. The old "Anime isn't as good as it used to be", how many times have I heard that over the years, and each and every time it proves more untrue.
Kaiser-Eoghan
One point I'm trying to get at is, I don't get throwing the word bad taste around when I know I was probably in the same position as that other fan years ago.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Another thing, for shows we talk up and obviously I've been just as guilty of this, how many of these am I going to be able to recite off by heart years down the line?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't like Madoka but thats a good example of a modern classic that'll keep in peoples minds, people still care.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*its a
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: The reason I want to see a new show become a modern classic is because I'm tired of this "fleeting masterpiece" way of thinking, where I a show is super popular during the season and gets talked up as if it'll stick in the mind years on, then weeks later it disappears from memory.
Anonymous1819907
And anime watchers tend to be attracted to series that are just plain boring. The Fate franchise is case and point. The same thing over and over again. It really is a disgrace, to be honest--in my opinion. The first series was great, and I look forward to the movie. But everything in between is trash. But they still get the views, since people are sheep.
Anonymous1819907
The shonen-jump canon, shows like bebop and eva were huge in their time. The industry is just not the same--it's really dying. There isn't the same desire to blow shows up like there used to be. Shonen jump is still at it, but those shows are rarely worth watching, even if they're popular
Anonymous1819907
its a good anime, but it doesn't have the same staying power since it was not an entire industry
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry for the long post, I want to get people talking again here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would love for this to happen with, say, made in Abyss, that becoming a show that we remember decades from now and still talk about.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Something else I want to bring up, what shows do you all REALLY believe will still be talked about in the future . Bebop and Eva still come up regularly to this day, what new shows do you think will become big classics.
Kaiser-Eoghan
To base taste on things you watched ages ago doesn't really work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I bring that up because I remember a comment somewhere I read that said, the people who trashed guilty crown, forget geass was 10 years ago and if guilty crown had came out back then instead of geass they would have embraced it instead at the time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the bad taste thing, I could easily say Mahouka or sword art are terrible, but back when I watched and loved code geass people where probably bashing it as overhyped shit in the same way people like to do with sword art/mahouka now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I sure years ago I would have been all over violet evergarden.
Kaiser-Eoghan
For example most anime/manga melodrama has lost its effect on me, I hate Clannad and Kanon now and I won't watch the new code geass season because I want to crop it and death note both up to a teenage error and mistake.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And in some cases it only takes five or so years.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If not that, it’s the show no one gave a shit about that you loved or it’s a recent gem.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And it hit me, the stuff you often end up loving, becoming a measure of your true taste, in my case at least are the re-discoveries, the show you HATED or didn’t get the first time round, maybe you watched it again soon after or years later, but then it does something for you that tops anything you watched in your early days.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Then I remember theres a huge amount of big shounens I never cared for and popular writers that I never liked or if I did found somewhat overated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Given that I’m in my thirties and have been watching anime, reading manga since I was 11, that’s led to a very very large re-watch list, something things I will NEVER get the time to go back to re-assess , for all I know they could actually be terrible series. Then there’s when I DO go back on shows and let’s face it most DON’T hold up (of course its good when they do hold up).
Kaiser-Eoghan
This has been on my back/mind for a bit now, to where I’m actually somewhat confused by this “tastes” thing in relation to myself.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Out of nowhere comment don't you think? Besides it ain't that I have perfect taste. It's just that my taste is the only one that matters.
Anonymous1819624
@Aidan you don't need to keep pretending you have perfect taste in anime. we are all aware your taste is often questionable, as all of ours are at times.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its kind of a pity because there were moments where I saw potential in it and thought maybe this would be some kind of exception.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But to more calmly review this, I do think its possible to present topics like this, though in a more accessible way, I think even someone more versed in this would be bothered by this presentation, in addition to this manga never flowing properly, the dialogue just feels it was ripped directly from an article or book.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I suppose in all fairness, its right to say I never studied any of these subjects in much detail that it brings up and never did anything sciencey for more than two years at school so I was probably doomed from the start.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know the expected response to what I said there is "why do you read/continue to read things you know you won't like" but if I don't come out of my comfort zone theres no chance of me being surprised.
AidanAK47
Hehe..well Kaiser, I don't remember saying it was good. I just said it was an insane ride. I found its concept interesting but the presentation was just terrible.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Sorry for ranting but this makes my blood absolutely seethe and boil.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I got to the last two chapters and just stopped caring, the info dumping, the multiple lives thing, especially the my own father/mother thing and magical girl part....fuck...
Kaiser-Eoghan
And yes I'm talking about Qualia....this...was....abject...punishing headwrecking agony to read.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Okay fuck it, just fuck it, I refuse, absolutely refuse to touch anything involving many worlds interpretation, time travel, shared memory,multiple runthroughs/loops ever again under any any circumstances, this is the worst form of storytelling I can possibly sit through from my perspective , I cannot finish this its impossible.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've given away/sold/thrown out anime/manga before, including figures and posters while keeping others , can't remember off hand, but it was to free space.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Together we make....tiger and dragon....Toradora =O
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: To be clearer, any interesting series/films they threw out?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Anything else interesting they threw out?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I'm year of the tiger, Aidan is year of the dragon.
SuperMario
And today is the Lunar New Year, happy new year guys! It's a year of the Dog so for those who is born in the year of the Dog... my condolenses since it is supposed to be your bad luck year
SuperMario
I think they move away so they just throw all their dvds there. There were other live action movies and series in there
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Strange that if he truly didn't want it that he never decided to just sell it.
SuperMario
@Aidan: I tested it and all of the DVDs are playable. The package includes the whole show and the movie. Not a scratch either
Kaiser-Eoghan
pppftt, not leaving it in the trash and instead going out and getting the blurays instead =P
Lenlo
Ha, shouldnt be surprised you read it to
AidanAK47
Everytime I read a newly translated Re:Zero chapter I just hunger for a new anime season. The latest chapter would be fantastic animated
AidanAK47
@Mario, Maybe the discs got scratched and the don't work anymore? Otherwise this is blasphemy if the highest degree.
SuperMario
Don't know how should I feel about that :))
SuperMario
Can you believe it? Someone in my apartment just threw away the Cowboy Bebop boxset. Normally I don't pick up someone's trash but it's a crime NOT TO in this case. %$^&&
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will hearby read Murasakiro Qualia!
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Very good voice casting decision with hourou musuko, the voice actor for the protaganist was an actual 14 year old and sounds kind of androgynous anyway.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it comes as no surprise for me if the mangaka of Housou Musuko is a lesbian, since the show has a honest feeling if someone who actually experience those issues
Kaiser-Eoghan
So that probably came after or something.
Kaiser-Eoghan
None of those episodes 30 involved this ant-arc Aidan mentioned as I recall.
Bokusen
0_o What the heck...It must take a long while to get good then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
All I was told by a hunter x hunter fan on here was after I said I'd watched 30 episodes was "I wonder if the next arc will change your mind"
Bokusen
Does Hunter x Hunter really take 40 eps to get good? I've been thinking of watching it since I really liked YYH & it's the same mangaka. I got hooked on YYH by episode 7, but if HxH takes 40 eps to hook me I might get tired of it before then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And in some cases it can represent an temporary escape from the self.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As an odd, maybe interesting relevant point, in some cases, well I think most a non-mtf , both a physical and psychological male, if they wear female clothing, the body reacts as if its like contact with a woman.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Or for a very old manga on that theme: http://mangakakalot.com/chapter/claudine/chapter_0
Kaiser-Eoghan
The anime worked suprisingly well despite the decision to start in the middle.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As much as I absoslutely love hourou musuko I do need to raise some flaws with the manga, the ending is rushed and underveloped and it is true the characters are too precocious.
Anonymous1811397
Is very slow, and I did reach a point of feeling nothing was happening. I did like the anime pacing things faster. Also like with the anime Aoi Hana it did have a poignant line. In Aoi Hana was the response to the tomboy that wanted to reengage with the MC, and in Hourou Musuko was coming out with his girlfriend.
Anonymous1811397
@SuperMario - Yep, it's maybe the most innocent yet mature take on transgender themes I've seen on a manga. I like it also tackles both genders, since we see women can wear more masculine clothing and be fine with it, but a man doing it is still weird, and unfitting. Also I think it's also the first time I've seen someone going to a catholic church to pray in a japanese setting. However, the manga
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although I was reading Qualia as it was being translated then fell behind, something that needs to be read in one go probably.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*musuko
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I believe the author of hourou mysuko is a lesbian.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I believe that was discussed on here some years back between myself, you and wicked and how the manga could alienate readers with the sciencey dialogue.
AidanAK47
So I read a manga called Murasakiiro no Qualia. And boy, that was one insane ride.
SuperMario
it addresses such a touchy theme with so much grace
SuperMario
boy, just one episode into Housou Musuko and I already fall head over heels for it. Only one issue is the character designs are kinda similar, which took me quite a bit to follow the cast
SuperWooper
Hey, anon. ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel there's too much pressure on people to watch the "YOU HAVE TO WATCH" because its popular anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just comparing level Es art to hunter x hunter shows how he isn't playing at his A-game with Hunters artwork.
SuperMario
I hated John Wick 2. The plot is just an excuse for too much dull action
SuperMario
Holy cow
SuperMario
If I follow Hunter x hunter one episode a day quota for everyday, I'll finish it in... 5 months
AidanAK47
Oh found Fate/Strange Fake Translated. Got my reading materail for the week.
AidanAK47
His drawing can get rather lazy as well. The chimera ant arc manga artwork really looks like he isn't even trying.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Apparently the hunter x hunter writer takes alot of breaks/hiatus' from working on the manga. You'd be waiting a while after catching up.
AidanAK47
Like it was building for a greater confrontation but the author got bored and decided to cut the arc short.
AidanAK47
@Anon, It may take a bigger investment than that for it to truly grab you. Truth be told I don't hold the series as highly as others do. I just found it fine while I thought the chimera ant arc was the best the show had to offer but was still a bit disappointing. Honestly every arc basically felt like it ended anticlimactically.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Teppu and shamo should be adapted .
Kaiser-Eoghan
So you're telling me that when that cgi city fell to ruin we see NO-ONE die? lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
The problem with PG 13 action is the lack of consequence.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I actually preferred it, expanded somewhat on the first, better action when it happens and looked more polished.
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