Posted by psgels on 25 April 2010 with categories: xxxHolic, xxxHolic Rou

Before watching this OVA, I had heard from people that xxxHolic Rou would be very confusing. But Bloody Nora, I never thought that it’d be this extreme! The non-manga readers who have yet to see this episode: STAY AWAY FROM THIS POST! MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD.

Because of xxxHolic Shunmuki, I was expecting something Tsubasa-related as well. Instead, the Tsubasa-cast doesn’t make an appearance at all. Instead, we get a time-skip of who knows how many years, in which A TON has happened: Yuko is dead, and Watanuki has now taken her place. This episode asked a whole tidal wave of new questions: what the heck happened to Yuuko? What caused her to come back? Why did Doumeki’s name change? Why does it seem that Watanuki can’t leave the shop? And taht’s just the tip of the iceberg.

Even for xxxHolic’s standards, this episode was dark. Watanuki has changed a lot. The visual comedy around him and Doumeki is completely gone now. Instead, the jabs he takes to Watanuki are short and subtle. Also, this episode never left the shop: everything we see is from Watanuki’s perspective, who somehow doesn’t leave the shop. Doumeki also lost the wise-cracking part of him: he now really doesn’t fool with Watanuki anymore. He’s actually graduated university at this point.

I guess this episode was all about Yuuko’s… rebirth or something, but what got to me the most was that phone-call at the end of this episode. After all that build-up! After all that time that was spent on the relationship between Watanuki and Himawari to make them like the perfect couple… she actually ended up marrying someone different and the two have grown apart!

I must say, Clamp: you did it again. This episode really was amazing in its character-development. It’s such a stark contrast from what xxxHolic used to be. Including the time-skip was a brilliant idea.
Rating: *** (Awesome)

33 Responses

  1. pgal says:

    Why did they skip a *large* part of the manga?!!!!

  2. c160 says:

    @pgal maybe they’ll take the nonlinear path and animate the skipped parts in later episodes?

    I haven’t actually reached this part of the manga,but I have reached the point where Yuko died(and a bit more) and boy,Tatami Galaxy’s dialog is easier to grasp than xxxHolic’s(and to a degree,Tsubasa chronicles’) logic ^^;

  3. kono machi no mirai o says:

    Um, unless Doumeki’s name changed to Watanuki, you might want to fix this:

    “Watanuki has changed a lot. The visual comedy around him and Watanuki is completely gone now.”

  4. raven says:

    well, i don’t know how far the manga raws have been on about, or the release frequency, but


    Himawari isn’t married so far as i know in the current chapters in the manga, and she and watanuki see each other every year during his birthday i think [or is it hers?]. In the manga so far, she and doumeki are university students. and yuuko is still gone.

    End Spoilers

    I’m not too sure how much of this episode is canon, but yuuko being dead is on spot…

  5. kiryuu says:

    The bits about Yuuko are the only bits “canon”.. the multiple foxes and TV business is something original to the OVA.

  6. Chan says:

    Doumeki’s name didn’t change she just called him by his first name.

  7. PL says:

    I really really liked the way Watanuki and Doumeki have matured, but it actually really sucks in my opinion that Himawari didn’t end up with him… They spent too much time building up their relationship. I wouldn’t call them the perfect couple at all, but rather a couple that overcame some huge obstacles that were in the way to them ever getting together. I wouldn’t mind leaving it open-ended, so we never know whether they do or not, but just precluding the possibility sucks in my opinion. Perhaps that’s because I’m a sap at heart, and a hopeless romantic.

  8. Ebod says:

    I’ve always seen Watanuki and Himawari more as friends than anything else, and I guess I must be the only one, but I like it that Himawari’s getting married. Helps with the whole Watanuki’s frozen in time while those he loves around him are moving on kind of deal.

    Besides, the whole Watanuki and Doumeki relationship in the manga’s getting gayer and gayer by the chapter. I mean, Himawari has a life outside of Watanuki, and yet it’s heavily implied that Doumeki spends more time at the shop with Watanuki than he does at his own house, sleeps over enough that he has a room in the shop for him, and visits enough that Watanuki doesn’t even have to go somewhere to shop for groceries.

    Not to mention the most recent chapter where Watanuki gave Doumeki something that’s full of implications no matter how you look at it, especially when you see where Doumeki tries to wear it on the first try.

    Though I think their relationship was best summed up by one of the previous OADs:

    “Watanuki, you and Doumeki are such good friends!”
    “Why do the females seem to misunderstand our relationship?!”

  9. SA says:

    Seeing is CLAMP were talking about is, one has to read/see several times a chapter to understand what is happening so, for what I can remember and understood, I’ll try to answer your questions.

    SPOILER ALERT TO BOTH HOLIC & TSUBASA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Fist off, on the manga right now it has been 4 years since Yuuko died. The reason of why she died is tightly knot to the Tsubasa ending in which she was already dead but because of a powerful wish (made by the bad guy in Tsubasa), her time stop and was trap in the time before her death, making a mess of time and space. Because a choice was made within the Tsubasa universe her time began to move again. Before she dies Watanuki promise her that he’ll continue on living, wishing for them to meet again and that he’ll wait for her at long as it takes. So, by making that wish, he becomes the shop owner and stops his “time” until he and Yuuko are reunited. The price for this was that he is not physically capable to leave the shop.

    SPOILERS END!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The ova is clearly several years later than the current manga time, so I have no idea of the answers to some of the other questions ^^

  10. tomtom says:

    Where can I watch this? (thanks)

  11. Pi says:

    I agree with Ebod,Watanuki and Domeki seemed more like a couple to me–despite the fact Himawari and Watanuki were together in the past (in the current manga that is). Even Yuuko, in the very begining of the manga/anime has told Watanuki that he and Himawari could never be together; Doumeki and he, however, will be a better match/inseparable (or something along those lines)

    I think it’s a shame that Himawari and Watanuki couldn’t be together. Maybe the reason why Himawari was married to someone else for everyone’s best interest–whatever reason it may be.

  12. Karasu says:

    Where can I watch this episode?

  13. xiao1 says:

    GASP! I had no idea the new OVA was out! I loveeee xxxholic. I can’t wait for this to be subbed. *waits impatiently*

  14. Snowolf says:

    I LOVE THIS SHOW SFM. i want to watch it subbed NOW.

    i’m really glad you liked it. xxxHolic is my favorite manga, and i’m glad that the animators are doing a coherent job of fulfilling the role properly and actually explaining what the heck happened between this huge gap of xxxHolic Kei and Rou.

  15. Snowolf says:

    guys, you can watch it live raw streaming here: but so far no subs. :(

  16. Snowolf says:

    i am confused a bit at the end though- the girl/yuuko says ‘tadaima/i’m home’ does that mean she’s coming back? or she has been laid to rest?

  17. Snowolf says:

    Psgels, I’ve figured it out: the girl is NOT a reincarnation/daughter of Yuuko. It’s said in the OAD that the price of the job would that some words would be spoken from someone out of the girl’s mouth. Those words were of Yuuko san. I don’t know why she would say “I’m home” though. Maybe she is laid to rest? IDK.

  18. betawatcher says:

    Ahhh, it looks so beautiful! But I didn’t watch the OVAs, or read any of the manga. I want to start reading the manga, but then I’d have to catch up to a lot, not to mention I might have to start reading Tsubasa again. (and the last time I read that was a loooong time ago…)

    I’ll probably be spoiled and bursting to know properly what happened (even though some people above have explained the situation ^^;) after watching the anime… I can’t wait for this to be subbed!

  19. Carrie says:

    this OAD is FOR MANGA READERS!!!!!! it came packaged WITH THE MANGA and the reason it doesnt answer the questions that you posed is because readers already know the answers. . . its unfortunate for those who just watch the anime but all these questions were answered in the xxxholic AND tsubasa reservoir mangas.

  20. Karasu says:

    Isn’t the reason Watanuki can’t leave the shop beacuase he promised Yuuko he would stay there until she returned or something like that?

  21. Jessica8 says:

    Hey everyone who’s been asking, you can watch xxxHolic over at the Animax Asia website. They have a pretty healthy selection of the latest eps.


    Watch xxxHolic Episodes Online

    Not sure which one will link. :)

  22. Iggy says:

    Hummm,maybe i missed something in the manga,but Himawari couldn’t get “close” to people right,she brings bad luck,so how she ends up getting married? Mehhhh…

  23. Iqah-chan says:

    So far in the manga, Himawari isnt married yet. They still see each other only once a year(which is 1st April, Watanuki’s Birthday). And yeah, many stuff happened but for all i know, Himawari and Watanuki said to each other “I love you.” Though this seeing each other once a year thingy makes me realise that hey, maybe Himawari may really marry someone else…

  24. ckoi says:

    This is big dissapointment it s good that yuko is back and I am thinking that the girl is her reincarnation himawari well I don t have opinion on that it s stupid and I hope watanuki finishes with yuko because don t know why but anyhow I am thinking that they should make at least one more ova so we know what happens with watanuki because this way you can only make assumptions

  25. leumasxseraph says:

    watch the new OVA w/ subs HERE!!!!!!! 9your welcome)

  26. read.linger says:

    im done reading tsubasa, and paatiently waiting for the latest xxxholic rou and kobato chapters, it really helps a lot in understanding this OVA, it answers some of the questions that are still currently on the current chapters, im so happy to hear about yuuko, the question now is where is she? i hope there’s a second part, coz a whole load of questions are coming up. I was hoping to see the tsubasa travellers too when watanuki was thinking of a signature.

  27. Jenica says:

    I really like that Himawari is married to someone else, Watanuki’s high school crush on her was cute… but never seemed that it should end as anything more than friendship.

    And I still don’t see a Yuko/Watanuki pairing; she seems more of a mother/mentor/crazy sensei figure in his life….

    As for Doumeki/Watanuki… it’s never going to happen. The best we’ll see of these two is an implied soul-mate-bond-thing left open-ended for interpretation. *cries*
    Silly need to keep the series mainstream… having the main character paired up with a major character of the same gender is apparently still a no-no unless the series revolves around their relationship.

    The only question I have is how many more chapters of holic are we going to get before Clamp wraps it up for good?

  28. Bear says:

    Just wanted to say I disagree with the “never gonna happen” sentiment above regarding Watanuki and Doumeki. This is CLAMP we’re talking about and they are not remotely shy about shounen ai. You can see it in X and a number of their other works. Even Cardcaptor Sakura has some gay undertones throughout the series. The holic manga is truly bringing Doumeki and Watanuki closer together every week. I’m not saying it *will* happen, but I wouldn’t put it out of the question completely.

    For the record, as a straight guy I am 100% hoping for the implied relationship between Doumeki and Watanuki to carry on and develop further. I don’t need/want to see them go at each other, but their relationship is really dynamic and a joy to watch. Second for me would be Zashiki-Warashi (too bad she has disappeared from the manga/anime recently; I don’t think she ages either!). Didn’t seem to me that Himawari was ever going to happen.

  29. Medha says:

    oh my gosh, i remember this episode. i loved it, but is was so…’WAIT, WHAT? WHAT JUST HAPPENED?’kind of thing. The end killed me though. >..

  30. Medha says:

    [sorry, the earlier comment messed up. >…

  31. Medha says:

    waaah, my comments are screwing up. i fail at life. D:

    anyway, let’s hope it works this time? XD

    oh my gosh, i remember this episode. i loved it, but is was so…’WAIT, WHAT? WHAT JUST HAPPENED?’kind of thing. The end killed me though. D: it’s left on such a cliffhanger, but i guess they aren’t making another OVA? D: i really want them to continue this though. :D if the manga has gone further, maybe i should read the manga… XD

  32. Zaric says:

    Quite disappointed in Watanuki. Instead of coming into his own and actually taking over the shop, he just kinda stalled and is taking up space.

    It seems like he had the potential to actually become the next wish-master, at least while Yuuko was gone; the whole point I gathered was that his part-time at the shop was preparing him for something. It feels like that something had been abandoned.

    Her wish was for him to live on, but you can’t really call what he was doing living. Being stuck in the shop he is more or less a ghost, even if he is “preserving his time” so he can “live on”.

    So yeah. This was dark, and moving, but ultimately frustrating.

  33. Reson why watanuki doesn0t leave shop says:

    The reason he doesn0t leave the shop its his own choice, that has to do with his wish, for yuuko to return, and he said that meanwhile he would stay in the shop (waiting for her )

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However any time I got trapped in the corner it was because she was just constantly attacking without pulling back. Rolling was dodgy as you could be easily caught in her next attack. Blocking does no real good either as she's still draining your stamina, health and pushing you back.
@Lenlo, yeah I started aiming for him to get through it but then I was still getting blindsided by her. My build is strength based and I was using a zeiwhander and shield. I couldn't wail on the big guy hard or else I would be in a attack animation when the girl lays down the ice.
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Healing, huge area of effect attacks, grab moves with barely any windup, freeze weapon effects that slow down attack animations, three goddamn forms, can turn invisible, long ass combos leaving little counterattack room and having to fight two bosses at the same time. Honestly, my victory here really depended in them not using certain attacks.
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Took me 2 and half hours to see everything in the DLC. Took me another 3 hours to beat the boss. Damn that boss had me in the zone. I think its was a serious bullshit artifical difficultly boss but man...beating that bullshit boss solo...felt good.
@Mario, starting to think I didn't need my help after all. I hope they make something worthwhile.
On a unrelated note the Dark Souls 3 DLC boss is serious bullshit.
Hey Aidan, thqt Kickstarter project Mecha-ude has passed its goal (nearly double now with 10 more days to go). Seems like people getting real hype for it
Wonder if Bam has played the new Dark Souls DLC. Found it rather lacking when compared to previous DLC from the last games.
@Anon, it's just a video of a still image of anime girls in bikini's with a red circle around one of their chests. Seeing as this thing has no views or subscribers my guess is someones is fishing for views. To which i say...what really is the point of making videos if this is the only way you can get people to watch them?
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So RWBY's back. I actually miss the whole RWBY team. Still prefer Ruby's old custom more. Nora looks cool.
With the fourth episode, Vivid Strike seems to have crossed an invisible line that makes it more like the original Nanoha shows rather than Vivid. The kind of brutal beatdown delivered by the co-protagonist and the build up to it is something quite alien to a normal SoL/Sports anime show.
Ep. 4 of Tiger Mask was a lot better than the last 3, quite a hyped fight that was a full 6mins long. Will continue watching in hope of an awesomely long final fight.
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Going back to the fanservice topic, its very easy to complain about it in anything but then something actually comes along that actually does it for you. I mean I always say that I don't watch a show/movie for its fanservice elements and stick with pictures on image boards, but then I ended up seeing a film where I actually got something out of the fanservice while watching the film its.
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The oujia prequel was competent genre fare, the director cared about the characters and every now and the built up a decent mood. Although jump Scares are there . And I always appreciate a horror film having a mean spirited ending. One of the rare cases where the young actors do well in a horror film. The pace is a bit uneven, rushed and a bit laggy .
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In the sense of how messed up/especially bleak those two episodes were.
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There was the sense too with both those episodes of "Jesus...I wasn't ready for that...."
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Though the first episode of the first season and the third episode of season 3 are very hard to beat. Adding to what I thought of s3 ep3 I felt that one hit me on the same level as s1 ep1 did so.
Though in previous seasons I generally only really liked 2 out of the 3.
@Kaiser, though the previous seasons where only 3 episodes long and you enjoyed 3 out of 6 in this season. So yo essentially get the same amount of enjoyment as previous seasons.
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Based on my comments, it looks like I had a mixed reaction to the third season. Three out of six, but the great was was great and forgives it but I still feel that there was more of a consistentancy in quality in the other seasons. I enjoyed every story in seasons 1 and 2.
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The final episode felt like a movie all on its own, I'd have gladly watched another thirty minutes of it, ending was a nice punch in the gut.
Just finished black mirror season 3. I hear people basically complaining that it's not as strong as the previous two season but I disagree. I really enjoyed this and this is a show that deserves much more episodes. Personal favorite is between shut up and dance and hated in the nation. Worst I thought was San Junipero. Overall thought each episode was interesting.
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On the upside I loved black mirrors fifth episode, I'm a sucker for war/action-dramas and I particularly liked the tech in this one.
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Yeah this is impossible for me to sit through, the romance part is also rather dull.
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Eh, this fourth episode is plodding and trite, feels like a bad, poorly dated 90s film.
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@Aidan: Third episode also instilled a great sense of paranoia.
@Kaiser: thanks for that mate. I have too much to say for Flipflappers but to put them all in coherent flow is goddamn hard. And like I said I still fell I left many details out: that gung-ho potato or Yayaka and the twins
@Friend: jugding from the last convention I went to, people loved Re:Zero customs (Emilia and Rem, Ram were highlights. Or you could try RWBY characters (I for once love to see someone cosplay Pirrha Nikos or Velvet Scarlatina)
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@Aidan: Didn't care much for new black mirrors second episode, then again I'm not really the target for that story. The third episode while a bit heavyhanded and predictable was suspenseful, nasty/mean and I liked that about it, did in 50 minutes what some thrillers fail to achieve in two hours.
Holo is a good one :0
Materials aren't a problem at all for the most part, except for anything too crazy like working in brass. I'd prefer it to be characters I'm familiar with.
Does it matter to you that they're from shows that you like, or are you just in it for the challenge?
@Friend Aidan has some good ones there. I'd also give the cast of Akame ga Kiru a shot, I don't like the series but it has a lot of neat character designs.
I was thinking simple as I didn't know what kind of materials you got on hand. I was also thinking of Holo from spice and wolf or Kino from Kinos journey either.
Mm, Tatsumaki might be not challenging enough to design for. Doesn't Shiki simply wear either a coat or Japanese kimono? I do work in set design and not in character prop design, but I'd love to try something that would let me reasonably challenge myself.
@Friend, Spit balling here but Tatsumaki from One Punch Man? I know the costume for that one would be simple enough. Or maybe Shiki from Kara No Kyoukai?
*I don't want to do anything too complex for my first try, but I also don't want to do anything boring. Boring would be a character like Rukia or Celty. Any ideas?
I remember talking about this with Emma/Kaiser before, but has anyone here gone cosplaying at an expo before? I thought it would be neat to try designing my own costume and try something else beside drawing on a computer.
@Kaiser, I am up to episode 4. 3 has been the best one so far.Though in all these episodes I pretty much figured out the twist from the get go. Still this shows always tends to get you thinking.
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I think the roles/identity thing with flipflappers, at least with the protaganist does fit in well with adolescence.
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@Aidan: I've only seen the first episode so far. I felt the acting was intentional and reflected the satire Brooker was going for on the shallow nature of society. Bleak as ever but gloriously grotesque.
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@Mario:Good in depth reviewing there Mario of flipflappers episode three.
Good god this first episode of black mirror is hard to watch. I know exactly how it's going to turn out but it's just so damn painful to watch.
Well, tbh up to where I've seen there's not much explicit yaoi in yuri on ice, only a lot of fujoshi fuel.
@Kaiser. thanks for the torrent. Gonna blaze through this today.
@Topgavin, as someone who watches a metric ton of anime I am rather surprised at that estimate that 90% of it contains Yuri.
My god those gay scenes in Yuri on Ice are hard to watch for me. Wonder if this is how it feels to be a girl watching 90% of normal anime nowadays.
okay, Flip Flappers episodic review was up. This is my lengthiest weekly review so far and I still feel I missed a lot of points. Damn you Flip Flappers
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You have seen the light, not needing to know everything thats happening to enjoy something ^_^
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I've given some consideration to reviewing that oujia film followup.
Whether you see one or the other is entirely up to your preferences, so it makes no difference to me which is worse. I have gotten very tired of generic character types, but again that's just because of the things I decide to regularly follow.
I will say if it must come down to either unnatural dialogue or unnatural character types, at leas the character type is speaking their own words and not the words of the script writer.
Or was that a black and white fallacy? Maybe it was a little of both.
@Realjustified, K-Off wasn't agreeing with me. That's a Moving the Goal Posts logical Fallacy but well I will answer regardless. Honestly it's preferable to have neither. The big mistake you are making here is that you are putting down a condiction that a show must have one or the other. But both cartoons and anime can have both. I just think it's a lot more prominent in cartoons than anime.
Like, having read hundreds of harem manga over the years, a majority of the ultimate love interest always happens to be the first girl the protagonist meets.
Wait wait wait wait. Aidan and K-Off. I get that dialogue in cartoon can seem like it was written by a script writer, but at the same time, lots of anime have characters whose sole purpose is entirely scripted. The whole spectrum of "deres" and everything. What do you think is worse? Unnatural dialogue, or unnatural character types?
You guys should really go fuck yourself, it's a solution and it's nothing short of great!
You guys should really watch the first 4 episodes of Bungo, it's a prequel and it was nothing short of great!
omg!! I just realized To be Hero was one of the show that I reviewed its 1st episode back in Chinese Animation post. I watched raw then though
forgive me if I'm a bit too overwhelmed by Flip Flappers... For this episode alone I took like 25 screenshots...trying to write a review now...
I have absolutely no idea what is going on in Flip Flappers plot. And yet for some reason I am OK with that.
Anyone out there that's a fan of crude humor should go watch ep.3 of To Be Hero. Certinately stepped it up a notch from the last two humor-wise.
One downside I can think of already is that I'm bound to lose or break one of the detachable controllers. The cost for those pieces is what I'm most interested in.
Nintendo Switch hmm? Honestly it looks too good to be true. I expect some major downsides to this thing.
I like cartoons, don't get me wrong. Certainly good for a change of pace. But there is something about the way they are written that I find rather distracting.
I don't know, maybe if I said it's like the difference from how characters talk in movie vs how characters talk in a sitcom?
@K-Off, I said one liner's or jokes. Not one liner jokes. It's hard to explain. Basically when I hear a conversation in anime even if it is based in stereotypes, it at least feels like a conversation that's being had in the moment. In cartoons however there is a layer of artificiality and it feels like characters know what a person is going to say and has a response prepared.
That's probably why some of my favorite anime in recent years haven't been very heavy on character archetypes, or were either parodies of it.
Comedic dialogue with anime in recent years have leaned too much on the idea of playing off character archetypes. The collected character vs the energetic character, for one. I'd like to see more variety. Some more word play, hyperbolic humor, body humor, etc etc.
@Aidan Not quite sure what you mean by that, because it's certainly not even a majority of cartoons that rely on cheap one liner jokes. I suppose it's entirely up to taste, but I can appreciate the energy in cartoons like Steven Universe or Regular Show when compared to the increasingly repetitive dialogue found in some recent anime.
@Topgavin: I just read that review and his main reason being Shelter is pretentious. oh well! Can't never please anyone.
Thought I'd check out the reviews for Shelter on MAl and the top review is a 1/10. Apparently because it's a cute girl we sympathise with her more, which is bad because reasons. I mean.. what? MAL never ceases to amaze me
@Mario, no. It's more that the dialogue keeps trying to push out one liners or jokes regardless of whose talking.
@Aidan: maybe because they spoke in your native language do you can feel that it's artificial, ya know? I know I have the same problem with Vietnamese drama/ cartoon and maybe Japanese people have that same issues with anime?
By which I mean, the way characters talk in cartoons is very...artificial. Like you can tell that the dialgoue was clearly written beforehand and it never really sounds natural. At least to me.
@Anon, I wouldn't. The writing and structure are too cartoon. What with the episodic nature and dialogue that generally pushes for a comedic tone.
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Flanagan also directed absentia which I haven't seen yet but I think someone I came across of 4chan linked it to being lovecraftian?
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Oculus was a film of two halves for me. Hush was a pretty standard home invasion thriller, making the victim deaf was an interesting twist but not as unique as you might think, still suspenseful though.
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I never saw the first oujia film. Though Mike Flanagan who did the sequel, he's never made a bad movie but he's never really made a great one either.
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I stick to the firm belief that cartoons and anime, visually should do and be their own thing. I'll prefer a western artstyle for cartoons rather than one pretending to look like anime style.
But this is a good topic and I'm sure everyone has their own opinions so I'm looking to hear some more arguments
@anon352392: no they aren't. For me not because of where their production based, nor their intended audience, but rather their styles, both visually and storytelling-ly, are different
Anime,” they assert, is not a “style” of illustration or animation.
That's where I differ to those guys. For me, anime is a style. In that sense, I consider RWBY, and Canadian-produced short Flutter as an anime. Thunderbolt Fantasy is not and anime-influence shows/movies that are intented for Western audience like AniMatrix or Afro Samurai are anime
@Anon nah they wouldn't be because they aren't made by a japanese producer for the japanese market. Quality isn't the question, production is
NX and Red Dead Redemption 2 trailers tomorrow.
They are good series and i honestly like them alot more than most anime series, would their quality make them anime?
What about cartoons like Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Wander Over Yonder, Star Vs The Forces Of Evil?
In other news a sequel to an absolutely terrible horror movie called Ouija is out and it's...actually pretty good? Wondering if critics were paid off or it is legit good. Well it did have the guy who was behind Oculus and that was a pretty good movie.
Simplify the term down enough and anime is literally anything animated but the whole point of the term is to distinguish it. For to call Spongebob an anime makes me want to projectile vomit. Point is this, you say you watched a cartoon, people think Tom and jerry, Scooby doo etc. You say you watched an anime, people think Cowboy bebop, Attack on titan, etc. Whole point of the term.
For example, I don't consider Avatar or RWBY to be anime for while they use anime style, the writing is fundamentally structured like an American cartoon. Through I would consider Bloodivores an anime even though it was made by a Chinese animation company, making it technically a Chinese cartoon.
As far as what is and isn't anime I honestly think of the term as a means of distinguishing it from cartoon which gives the impression of being for children. It's like Graphic novel is to comic book. Though techically graphic novels are issues of comics bound in book form, the term Graphic novel is often used to distinguish works that go above superhero comics and whatnot.
Basically I think it was due to Porter Robinsons involvement that they didn't consider it anime.
@Aidan: Did the mods give any concrete reasons why they didn't consider it an anime?
@Mario, It wasn't the community that had the problem. It was the mods. The community made it pretty clear that they considered it anime.
So despite the art style is obviously anime, the character speaks in Japanese, and the production was animated by A1 Studios, it's not an anime? Sometimes I feel sad that the anime community keeps limiting themselves with such fixed minds.
I saw it yesterday and yes it was good. For a 5-minute story, they don't make it too overwhelme with details, and still pack an emotional punch. Moreover it elevates the song. Good stuffs.
Shelter was quite good though. It works well and the animation was beautiful. Song is not bad either. It's got a nice emotional punch to it though it's a bit simple a story.
Well anyway I only saw all this because I checked out the video for the first time and wanted to see how others thought of it with a quick scan through reddit. And I get this shitshow instead.
Playing the victim is the one really pisses off the internet. For refusing to admit you f*cked up only encourages people to shove how you f*cked up into your face. That's what really grinds peoples gears.
Yep, seen that too. The mods even put up another tread about the video and tried to guilt trip people by saying they got death threats. Look, internet rules 101. If you said or did something stupid admit to it and just walk away. Do not try to deflect blame or play the victim, that only adds fuel to the fire.
@Aidan oh yeah saw that live lol. Porter himself even commented on twitter about it, gotta love internet drama
So did anyone happen to catch the big old shitstorm of that Shelter music music when a mod of the Anime subreddit decided it wasn't "Anime" enough and removed the discussion post about it? Oh internet drama...what silly nonsense.
Finally caught up with JoJo. Diamond is Unbreakable has turned out to be much better than Stardust Crusaders. Should have waited for the season to finish through as I really loved marathoning it.
I had a feeling that might be the case considering the source materail for luger.
@Mario Oh I watched that, certinately worth it. Packed more story that some 12-episode shows do nowadays and gorgeous animation.
and I will check out "Shelter" music video to see what all the fuss is about
*this weekend to be exact.
Sounds like Luger Code 1951 is an OVA that will air next week, the same air date with "my" Zaregoto OVA.
@Mario: doesn't sound real at all to me lol
@Mario, I might be able to manage. If all else fails I can talk about the past of these historical figures.
While I don't mind watchinng Drifters, I swaer if I had to cover that show, I couldn't come up with anything to say.
Do you guys know what language the fairies speak in Drifters? It does sound like a genuine language
@topgavin: humanity has declined is a great show. It has good writing and dark, witty sense of humor. I could talk about it in length but psgels pretty much covered it all. He was really impressed by that show however.
That should be me covered till the weekend. Why do all my shows air on the weekend...
@Mario nah I've watched the whole thing but I'd heard about it at the start of this year and put it off. The dialogue between her and the fairies was great stuff, probably gonna rewatch it this weekend now that you mention it
Alright, I got three posts written up and will be throwing them out in about two hours or do.
I thought you've finished it. Yeah I love her character a lot, so cynical but witty. My favorite moment was when she read about fairy's plan to invent religions. She was like "so religions are invented?" (beat) "I've learn something new today". Priceless
@Mario Oh nice, it was one that I had heard about but never got round to. To put it in simple anime terms, Watashi is best girl
@topgavin: I just finished the series yo mentioned the other day: humanity is declined. Man, I love it. I know now I have a thing for dark twisted absurdist anime
@Ano340004: the name is Watashi ga Motete Dousunda, or to put it short Motete. I have fun with it but i'm not that enthuastic
@anon the english name is Kiss him, not me. Search through the first impressions if you need the jap name.
then that girl really loves BL (boy love)
what is the name of the anime that the girl is fat and then she got depressed because her favorite boy anime died then she got thin?
Season 7 is awesome so far too. It feels like the tone of the show is finally back to normal and it feels like Adventure Time again.
Whew, I binged all seasons of Adventure Time this weekend. The show hit a low spot in Season 6 but I think it needed to happen...Poor Finn needed the serious character development after what he did to FP.
You guys are too hard on it
Motete is very funny
Kaiser Eoghan
When it comes to gag manga and four-koma, I just eventually reach a stopping point with a comedy series in that format. Even with hidamari sketch.
I think it was typical light novel trash based on what was in the PV. I laughed that despite it being horrible that the crowd still cheered anyway, likely because it had a bath clip in it.
The PV was hilarious. I had no idea what the anime was about.
@Aidan I'm good, I'll stick with Working.
@K-Off, you could switch to something like Gi(a)rlish Number if you like. I for one am really digging the satire of the show. Plus I like that it's basically showing how an utter train-wreck of an anime can be made. That PV in the last episode was truly painful.
Feeling pretty disappointed with Working. I haven't gotten any more cynical with comedies, at least I don't think, and its flaws are so irritating.
@Adam Le, I find that with Comic book dialogue. Which is one of the reasons I have gone off marvel movies. Cartoons have it to a degree as well.
I love the instagram shots in Yuri
Maybe I can have a watch through those live action films and do a compare/contrast to see which version works better. After all movie and tv series are 2 different medium, and live-action vs animation is the topic that we never get tired of
speaking of which, the overlap between anime and live-action adaptation from manga is overwhelming. For this year alone, there were Erased, 3-gatsu no Lion, Fune o Amu, orange, and Chihayafuru (part 1&2). Those were just the ones I know.
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