Posted by psgels on 6 June 2010 with categories: Full Metal Alchemist - Brotherhood




This is it: the episode to which the entire series has been building up to. Because the previous episodes weren’t exactly to this series’ highlights, I feared a bit for a lackluster ending, but those fears were ungrounded: this episode was absolutely fantastic and more than a worthy climax after such an amount of build-up. What an episode!

After a bit of fights that were meant to close off the last bits of character building (Scar, revealing that he shed his prejudices, and went along with his brother’s plans, gaining the strength he needed to surprise and win from Bradley; Ed’s revenge on Pride for what he did to Al (he didn’t outright say it, but to me it seems like he went after Pride for exactly that reason; if not he would have been the one to step up and save Mai Chang)), this episode was all about opening that gate. At this point it’s clear that Bones did not save some Xamdou-level animation for its finale, but with the resources they had they portrayed the euphoria of Father, who finally was able to reach his goals after putting an ungodly amount of work to reach “The Truth”, was really well portrayed. Father has really been an excellent villain so far: from start to finish, he remained in control.

The part in which the entire country was killed off was also very well done: haunting, especially seeing everyone just disappearing like that. The creators really made sure to show nearly everyone Ed and Al met disappearing. Aside from Yoki, perhaps. I’m not sure why he suddenly comes to my mind here, but he was surprisingly missing in those scenes.

Of course, they’re still not there: there are a bunch of nasty potential cliches between the end of this episode and the ending. Most notably, Father’s demise: he’s so powerful now. He’s huge, he’s incredibly close to the truth, and everything points to him achieving his plans. There are so many ways that can screw this plot up in the next three episodes. Let’s hope that the creators realized that as well and instead will deliver an awesome ending, rather than a cheesy shounen one.
Rating: **** (Fantastic)

70 Responses

  1. egress63 says:

    Oh don’t worry – the next episode is going to have your jaw on the floor…

    As for the 62nd one, I am not so sure – I did am still ambivalent on the crucial aspect of the latest chapter – 107 (which is what I assume will get covered in episode 62).

    I really am eagerly waiting for the 15th of June when the last chapter will come out.

  2. Youki says:

    HOHENHEIM! Why don’t you do something!? Seriously, if he doesn’t counter Father with something I’m gonna cry! He’s been around for THAT many years and knew about Father’s plan, so he should have something up his sleeve, right?!?!?! If you’ve read the manga, don’t spoil it. THIS IS SO EXCITING, DON’T RUIN IT FOR ME! xD

  3. Acylia says:

    This is just amazing. :D I hope they manage to handle the rest too!

  4. Ec08tfa says:

    As the series is actually following the manga it’s going to be awesome

  5. Ian says:

    Yoki was NOT missing. He was with Marcoh and Heinkel. Did you not see that? Did you not see anything? For this discrepancy, you get a spoiler:

    EGB.

  6. rr101 says:

    @psgels

    “Because the previous episodes weren’t exactly to this series’ highlights, I feared a bit for a lackluster ending”

    I don’t know if I’m alone in this, but I thought 58 was one of the better episodes in the series.

  7. karry says:

    “I don’t know if I’m alone in this, but I thought 58 was one of the better episodes in the series.”

    This blog is almost 4 years old, and people STILL dont get it, that psgels quite simply has a bad taste ?

  8. Cornwiggle says:

    I don’t know why anyone would think the last couple of episodes weren’t good.

    The last couple of episodes were some of the best.

    I guess some people just have ADD and only respond with lots and lots of light and color like a cat having a shiny object in its face.

  9. psgels psgels says:

    Um, just for the record: I never meant to say that the past few episodes weren’t good, but rather that I liked this series more when it was building up to the promised day, bringing every character together and stuff. It’s got nothing to do with ADD or brightly coloured sparkles, though.

  10. Ec08tfa says:

    I personally didn’t get how the last episode were supposed to be lacking due to low budget but blog is one person opinion don’t like it don’t read it

  11. Puran says:

    It’s not really lacking, but it doesn’t have the really, really high production values of other Bones’ shows (Bounen no Xamdou for example, as psgels also mentioned)

  12. lemon4life says:

    @Karry

    “This blog is almost 4 years old, and people STILL dont get it, that psgels quite simply has a bad taste ?”

    if you don’t like it then why do you read it?

    anyway great episode =D really hope the actual ending is going to be good and if it isn’t, then Brotherhood is still way better than the first Full metal alchemist anime.

  13. Kane says:

    Holy shit.

    First thing that came to mind when Earth’s Door was opened?

    END OF EVANGELION LOLOLOLOLOL

    First thing that came to mind when Heaven’s Door was opened?

    “This ain’t knocking on Heaven’s Door, baby, this is BREAKING AND ENTERING INTO HEAVEN AND KIDNAPPING GOD”

    Incredible… just incredible… 4 stars well-deserved…

  14. moo? says:

    huh? First time I seen **** Fantastic, has he rated anything else this high before? lol

  15. Jaysen says:

    omg..omg..omg..
    this was the SHIZY!!!!!
    idc wat any1 says but the father is a friggin beast.
    15th of june is gonna be the best day ever lol

  16. Bruce says:

    The last time you had **** it was labeled as incredible (IIRC, anyway)! I call lack of consistency, psgels!

  17. Meep says:

    Oooooooooooooooooooh snap. :3

  18. psgels psgels says:

    I know, last time I used incredible. That was a typo on my part.

  19. specracer29 says:

    This could either be one of the best anime endings in awhile or the biggest deus ex machina ending, but who knows Father did just take on God 1v1. I mean it could end with God just “bitch slapping” Father back to Earth.

  20. billish says:

    meh, it was better than the last few but the big-action episodes are still #1 (pride/kimblee vs. Al). No matter what happens in ending this anime is still better than most.

  21. MarieLuise says:

    I didn’t watch the episode yet and I am looking forward to it, but I read the manga and seriously, is it that incredible what father did and wanted? He had eternal life what else could he want then being god? I appreciate the mangakas work but that was an obvious conclusion for me. But maybe I am missing here something great beyond my imagination ;-)

  22. Johnson says:

    I thought the last manga was REALLY cheesy. So, I’d work those expectations down a little.

  23. Jack says:

    there will be 64 episodes in the end,so 4 more to go:
    http://i.imgur.com/ddkwf.jpg

  24. Cornwiggle says:

    Al vs Kimblee is the most overrated fight in the series.

    Once again proving that most of the people who post on these blogs don’t follow the actual story, but only respond to “PReTTy CoLOURs and AcTIOn, CuZ NAruTo ANd DrABvonALLS Are THE BesTeST ANIMES EVar!1!!”

    Go back and take your Ritalin.

  25. UnknownVoice says:

    @Johnson
    That depends on person reading.

    For me, IMO, last chapter and the overall ending is 100% what FMA:Brotherhood was about.;

    it fits both in tone and in moral to end it in such a way, as the story, sort of comes full circle

  26. UmbrellaMan says:

    Two words: Hell Yeah. This episode was epic. And what a cliff hanger. Is everyone really dead? Did father gain Gods power? It unfortunately looked that way to me. How is this going to end? (How will they stop evil maniacal bad guy from taking over and destroying the world?)The suspense is killing me!!!!

  27. Hunter-Wolf says:

    Nice episode (although kinda ruined it for myself cause i couldn’t wait and read the latest few chapters 103->107) … but i’m also greatly disappointed.

    While the Death of the entire Amestris nation was epically done and was very creepy and haunting .. there are tons of other things that let me down.

    Basically FMA:BH played the fine line between a Seinen and a Shonen series .. up until “Father” in the last episode got his so-called godly powers .. that a big break point IMO .. it delves deeply into the generic shonen area that has been done 1000 times already which greatly threatens all what the writer has been building up to and forecasts a cheesy shonen ending.

    Actually an extremely similar plot is found in Bleach ****Bleach spoiler: basically Aizen wants to sacrifice an entire town population to gain enough power to unlock some God Realm and devour the deity there and become the so-called God”**** /end of bleach spolier .. and Bleach is one of the numerous shonen titles that has that exact same plot (even FF13 has a similar plot) .. and while FMA:BH has been good at masking and hiding Father’s goals/plans .. and until the lastest few episodes we never knew exactly what he wanted .. but now it’s all clear that it is the typical shonen villain goal .. sacrifice some people/get some item/ .. etc etc –> gain unfathomable incalculably immense power –> become some sort of pseudo-deity/god (for no reason whatsoever) –> get beaten by the hero or a bunch of teenagers in the most humiliating way possible to make the main character/s look as heroic as possible … BLAH.

    The only saving grace for FMA is its interesting characters and the past struggle to reach that point .. but beyond it i’m afraid i see nothing but generic shonen crap … not to mention some End of Evanglion mixed in too (the Father/Earth Gate scene + Major Apocalypse vibe = End of EVA).

    I loved (and still love) the first FMA cause the goal of Dante was something humanity have been seeking for ages and actually a goal that a lot would actually kill and do unspeakable things for (gaining perfect immortality and not having to change her rotting body every few years) .. a reasonable, achievable and even understandable goal … also the fact that the GATE in FMA was left a mystery was a great thing and added to the series .. all in all FMA was way more seinen than shonen to me .. and the ending (the series + the movie) is a testament of that .. it was open ended but satisfying (no God battles .. no ridiculously super powered villians .. no EVA style mumbo jumbo … etc etc)

    Probably “Father” at this point breaks all power charts in the series to a ridiculous extent .. but what bugs me the most is that so called “god” the got captured by “Father” .. seriously .. just by opening the gate of earth (a single planet) “father” was able to absorb that so-called god from the sky with ZERO effort and zero struggle from that god (who was waiting all that time for Father to come and capture him) .. what kind of god is that … he didn’t say a thing nor even fight back (while all the characters could) .. i doubt that entity is even a god of any sort (hopefully that will turn out to be the case in the ending) cause i haven’t seen a single sign of his god hood.

    Besides .. if it was really some sort of god .. is it the one that created the universe, sun, earth and people in FMA:BH world .. cause if it is … then “father” shouldn’t even be able to touch that entity even if he opened the gate of the SUN or even the entire galaxy (if they have gates that is).

    Basically the whole thing doesn’t make any sense even within the context of FMA:BH world (very reminiscent of EVA) .. ****Arikawa better have a good explanation for all that mess in the final chapter/episode.**** .. i haven’t lost all hope yet.

    But seriously .. still … Arikawa completely destroyed “Father” as a good villain in this episode .. i always thought he seeked knowledge or had some interesting goal .. not the same goal that generic shonen villains has been seeking since the stone age (GOD POWER !!!) .. sigh .. even Orochimaru from Naruto is way above that .. he seeked immortality (and seeked Sasuke’s Sharingan “Ninja-technique-copying-power”) in order to be able to research and learn all sorts of ninja techniques .. he is driven by his strong hunger for knowledge and curiosity and would do anything for that .. which makes him tons more human and tons more believable than that shonen God power crap.

    /End of Rant

  28. Hunter-Wolf says:

    Nice episode (although kinda ruined it for myself cause i couldn’t wait and read the latest few chapters 103->107) … but i’m also greatly disappointed.

    While the Death of the entire Amestris nation was epically done and was very creepy and haunting .. there are tons of other things that let me down.

    Basically FMA:BH played the fine line between a Seinen and a Shonen series .. up until “Father” in the last episode got his so-called godly powers .. that a big break point IMO .. it delves deeply into the generic shonen area that has been done 1000 times already which greatly threatens all what the writer has been building up to and forecasts a cheesy shonen ending (but since everything isn’t over yet there is a still hope to avert it).

  29. Hunter-Wolf says:

    Actually an extremely similar plot is found in Bleach ****Bleach spoiler: basically Aizen (main villian in Bleach) wants to sacrifice an entire town population to gain enough power to make some KEY to unlock some God Realm and devour the deity there and become the so-called God of Bleach world”**** /end of bleach spoiler .. and Bleach is one of the numerous shonen titles that has that exact same plot (even FF13 has a similar plot) .. and while FMA:BH has been good at masking and hiding Father’s goals/plans .. and until the lastest few episodes we never knew exactly what he wanted .. but now it’s all clear that it is the typical shonen villain goal .. sacrifice some people/get some item/ .. etc etc –> gain unfathomable incalculably immense power –> become some sort of pseudo-deity/god (for no reason whatsoever) –> get beaten by the hero or a bunch of teenagers in the most humiliating way possible to make the main character/s look as heroic as possible … BLAH.

    The only saving grace for FMA is its interesting characters and the past struggle to reach that point .. but beyond it i’m afraid i see nothing but generic shonen crap … not to mention some End of Evanglion mixed in too (the Father/Earth Gate scene + Major Apocalypse vibe = End of EVA).

  30. Hunter-Wolf says:

    Sorry for duplicate posts .. i refreshed several times but the initial long post never showed up so i though i had to split it up and post it .. sigh XD

  31. han hyo joo says:

    i am tired of the people who say this idea is cliche ,well it is ,but was well executed ,is because our human imagination had executed probably all the ideas about what a villian want and i think these things is all a human can think ,so if you are genius create your own absolutely original plot but for example i cant think of anything more ,the important thing is this was well executed ,not super original because in these days probably anything is 100% original

  32. han hyo joo says:

    enjoy it because is enterteining don’t make hard your life ,finally anything is perfect for me full metal is good and point

  33. han hyo joo says:

    and also i am not the true han hyo joo ,i am only a fan of her

  34. Cornwiggle says:

    Keep in mind Father’s goal is to become the perfect being. Of course he would devise a way to “absorb God” into himself.

    That’s what he’s been calculating for centuries.

  35. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @han hyo joo

    I’m not demanding 100% original .. anything remotely interesting will do (like the first FMA series ending) .. but not something so freaking cliche i have lost count of how many anime/jap games have that exact same plot.

    And yes .. FMA:BH is well executed .. but that new revelation about “father’s” true goal (and his inferiority complex) is like a black stain on a beautiful red dress .. completely ruins the whole dress.

    Like i said .. main villains like Orochimaru in generic shonen series like Naruto is way better and has more interesting and plausible goals (same as Dante from FMA) .. the whole “villain wants to become GOD or gain GOD POWER” is both silly and way overdone … not to mention completely broken .. Greek mythology handled the whole (Men Vs Demi-Gods Vs Gods) way better than any Jap anime.

  36. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @Cornwiggle

    like i said before .. the whole premise is broken on various levels.

    If he was able to absorb that so-called deity that easily (without any struggle or big fight) then he already was more powerful than that so-called God at that point .. which makes absorbing him completely pointless to begin with.

    Besides .. again .. like mentioned in my post above .. there has been ZERO proof of that creature’s god hood … what kind of god would sit silent waiting for some homonculus to grow that powerful then come over and absorb him like a sponge … not to mention that can’t be the same god that created the universe in FMA:BH world cause it’s ought to be way more unapproachable than that .. not just some high power level that can be attained by leveling up or gaining more power levels (like “Father” did .. copying every single generic shonen villain before him) .. there are very few shonen series that actually manage to keep track of everyone’s power levels (FMA:BH was like that until the last episode)… and those definitely don’t involve any ridiculously super powered pseudo-deity villains.

  37. kagura says:

    @Hunter-Wolf
    I agree with you that a villain wanting to become a God is as cliche as it can be, and that it’s already been done many times before, but I fail to see how exactly Dante’s goal from the first FMA is superior to Father’s from FMA-B. I mean, immortality is considered to be one of God’s attributes (as long as by “God” we understand “an omnipotent being, a creator and overseer of the universe” etc.); so, seeking immortality is the same as seeking a way to become a being similar/closer to God; and from there there’s only one small step to wanting to become a God himself. That’s why I don’t feel like Dante’s goal was any more ambitious, or any more original (not to mention than seeking immortality in itself isn’t very original and has also been done thousands of times before)… But that’s the only thing in your comment I don’t exactly agree with. As for the rest, my opinion is similar to yours. Arakawa could’ve come up with something more interesting/original… but oh well, it’s not like I’m loving FMA as a whole any less because of that.

    PS. As for the villains in shounen anime/manga, One Piece takes the cake in that field for me. There’s not even one villain there who seeks immortality/godlike powers/world domination/world destruction or other similar nonsense. It’s like a breath of fresh air after Naruto, Bleach and a bunch of other shounen series out there.

  38. Reach says:

    The last page of the manga, ever, is out….and tons and tons and tons of pages of spoilers that aren’t even the whole chapter. Will it really reach the 150 mark?

  39. ama-ri says:

    @hunter-wolf

    Basically his aim is not having godlike power to rule the world, blah, rather it is to set himself apart from humans, he despised and envied at the same time. As said before: he wants to be the perfect being -> being better than humans (as you can see in the homunculi, which originally WERE a part of him.) his grudge started back in xerxian times when he was in that flask, not being able to leave it. he wanted to be superior to them because he was always inferior. Swallowing god (which I think isn’t really god but my conclusion would include spoilers for the manga) is just one part of his goal to be superior than humanity and especially hohenheim.

    Yes, it’s not the most original thing, however it’s not like it’s not justified.

    not everything I said is written that way in the manga/shown in the anime. I had the freedom to interpret some things to fill the gaps.

    And, please, Dante was one of the most boring and flat villains I’ve ever seen. Ok maybe that thing from Kuroshitsuji was worse. I tend to call it Dante2 though. Dante totally ruined the first series for me. And that’s not just because I’m a die-hard FMA Manga fan.

  40. Kane says:

    This is a warning for psgels and other non-manga readers:

    Two pages from Chapter 108 have been leaked and they spoil a lot of stuff. Watch out, especially as you go around social networking sites like Livejournal and Devianart (if you do).

  41. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @kagura

    I don’t think humans seek immortality because it’s an attribute of god .. cause even some who don’t believe in a god also want immortality .. basically it’s humanity’s fear of death .. or what’s beyond death .. the fear of having their existence and bodies wither away and decay .. not to mention throughout history there are tons of people who tried to look for/make immortality potions … as well as the aspect of it being somewhat will be achievable by science in the future (not real immortality .. but close)

    And actually i don’t remember that many villains in shonen that seeked immortality because they feared/hated dying and decaying (like Dante).

    And i didn’t mean Dante’s goal was more ambitious .. just more achievable, plausible and human (you can sympathize with her on some level) .. her goals don’t involve world dominion or destroying the world or anything .. she just wanted perfect immortality .. plain and simple.

    And yeah .. some of the villains in OnePiece (and they are many) are quite interesting … but what i’m really sad for is for Naruto to have the most interesting villain i saw in a while (Orochimaru) .. but still .. **Spoiler** the main villain (Uchiha Madara) in Naruto wants to do something similar to “Father” **Spoiler** .. AGAIN the same cliche.

  42. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @ama-ri

    But there are problems with that logic .. he never really needed to do any of that.

    1-Just by opening the earth gate was was already more powerful than any human or chimera or creature on earth .. he even was more powerful than any human before he opened earth gate (he easily defeated and swallowed Hoenheim and all attacks had zero effect on him).

    2-That thing that he calls God which he absorbed wasn’t even powerful enough to fight back .. what’s the point of devouring it if he was already more powerful than all humans (including Hoenheim) and even more powerful than that entity he absorbed .. talk about “overkill” .. that’s more of reason what happened in chapter 107 by “Edward” feels kinda cheesy and doesn’t fit very well with the tone of the series/story (manga readers will understand) XD

  43. Ian says:

    Not exactly a spoiler, but know that for anything to be done about the pickle the heroes are now in, it will NOT be a deus ex machina. Preparations were made and foreshadowed in earlier episodes. Hell, there may even be a flashback to that scene in that episode where the foreshadowing was made. I just can’t tell you what it is not just because I’d give it away, but I honestly can’t remember which episode it was in. Just know it was there, and it will have something to do with whatever is going to happen next, which I and many other people already know.

  44. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @Ian

    I do know it won’t be a Deus Ex Machina … that’s it’s only saving grace though … other than that it’s too much into the territory of mediocrity and cliche .. Arikawa manged to keep thing interesting to this point .. but sadly once Father’s true goals were revealed it all felt “meh” (i was hoping for something more interesting or unusual) … still we have the final chapter .. hope she can pull-off a good ending.

    Also .. saw some discussions that refer to FMA:BH Episodes 2 and Pantheism (Pantheism as being the inspiration for Arikawa’s “Truth”) .. in Ep 2 “The Truth” clearly says to young “Ed” the he is “Everything”, “God”, “The Universe” .. and then points at ED saying .. “and YOU” .. i wonder how this relates to what’s happening in the series now !!!? (that view fits quite well with the views of Pantheism)

    Oh .. and watch out everyone .. there are already 67 pages of chapter 108 RAW out there .. couldn’t resist taking a look at them .. GAH .. my mistake … now i can’t wait to read it anymore XD

  45. Denizen says:

    God, these comments.

    I like how nowadays, Villains with plausible motives or reasonable ideas are now OVERDONE and STALE, and yet aiming low and wanting pitifully dumb results (immortality or political change or whatever) when you could be gaining much much more is somehow fresh and “realistic”.

    There’s a reason the generic plans for a villain involve “becoming God”, because everyone wants to fucking BE God.
    If you know that the planet has stored information on everything, and that you have the means to become an incredible force of power and knowledge, then why wouldn’t you? Especially if you’re an artificial being uninterested in generic human values.

    You can stick to generic Shounen trying to be “deep” or “original”, but don’t go bashing a manga intended to be a homage to B-Movie madness because it’s not trying to be pretentious.

  46. kagura says:

    @Hunter-Wolf
    Yeah, I see your point, but still, seeking immortality is, in a way, forcefully stepping into God’s realm, or playing God, regardless of it being intentional or not… so I just don’t see Dante and Father’s goals as much different, at least in that matter.

    And I didn’t mean that seeking immortality is a common theme only in shounen manga/anime, or even in manga/anime in general; what I meant is that it’s already been done many times before in books, movies, etc., and it’s a horribly cliched concept however you look at it. That’s why I can’t really see Dante as a more interesting villain than Father. They’re just equally not interesting to me. But I understand that you may have a different view on that matter, and it’s alright.

    As for Orochimaru, yeah, I agree that his having a different goal that lay beyond achieveing immortality, makes him quite an interesting villain. And I wasn’t exactly pleased by the way they handled his plot in Naruto… (but then again, I wasn’t pleased with lots of other things in Naruto, for example ***SPOILER*** reviving Kakashi and all the villagers of Konoha ***END OF SPOILER***) and I’m pretty fed up with Naruto at this point… the same with Bleach… One Piece is probably the only ongoing shounen that I still find interesting and enjoyable (to say the least), even after that huge amount of episodes/chapters, so I’m glad you agree with me about the villains in OP.

  47. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @kagura

    But Orochimaru himself is proof seeking immortality has nothing to do with wanting to become a God .. his reason is pretty simple (yet deep) one … and yes acquiring all sorts of knowledge or being all-knowing is an attribute of God-hood but still he isn’t doing it for any more reason than fulfilling his own thirst for knowledge about ninja techniques and sheer curiosity … and yeah .. it’s sad how they handled his story in Naruto .. he had lots of potential.

    As for the Naruto spoiler … hmmm .. doesn’t it remind you of something else more recent (hint hint) XD

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    @Denizen

    If by “plausible motives or reasonable ideas” you mean “becoming GOD” then i have nothing to discuss with you .. and that just made me LOL hard XD

  48. Reach says:

    @Hunter-Wolf: And you read what they wrote in all the wrong ways. Read it again and maybe your intelligence will kick in and you WILL have something to say.

  49. Bobby says:

    @Hunter-Wolf

    Dante as the overall boss SUCKED BALLS in the first FMA. all of these powerful homunculi essentially taking orders from some person whose main objective was… to hop from body to body in an attempt to stay alive??!! really??!! gigantic letdown after a great buildup.

    i think father motives are totally justified. the dude started out as a friggin’ blob in a flask, of course he’s gonna have a napoleon complex and want to rule every thing (LOL). besides he doesn’t give a rat’s (DONKEY) about humanity, he said so himself, he was originally created for knowledge and gaining godhood is the ultimate way to learn as much about everything as he can.

    great ep. i always thought that the slash wounds bradley gave scar from his shoulders to his chest should have been more damaging than they appeared to do; is scar on PCP or novocaine or something? (LOL)

  50. Helle says:

    This episode was so exciting, I actually got something in my eye. Haven’t been this carried away for a looong time :) I absolutely love this series. No matter where it goes from here, it’s most definitely going to end up amongst my favorites. Although I share your worries psgels.

  51. Zombie says:

    anyone noticed that the music played when Father was talking about openin the gate , WAS AWESOME ..

  52. Kane says:

    “is scar on PCP or novocaine or something? (LOL)”

    This makes me wonder: if Scar’s alchemy is a blend of East and West, does this mean he also has the ability to do healing like Mei did to herself this episode? ‘Cuz the dude really needs it about now…

    And if Scar’s on Novocaine, that’s doubly so for Bradley. The guy has a friggin’ BULLET still in his right shoulder and yet he’s swinging those swords around like nothing… hahaha… though it looks like his stab wound is kinda serious since he threw up blood here…

  53. ntd says:

    @Hunter_Wolf
    You said Orochimaru’s goal to seek knowledge is deep and interesting, but isn’t Father’s goal just the same? Becoming God is one thing, the main purpose behind that is like he said: to obtain knowledge of a vast universe far beyond any human brain’s ability to process. And in the FMA universe, knowledge equals to power. What Father is seeking is all the knowledge of the world, and obtaining God is his way to achieve that goal.

    As for why the so-called God guy is so weak, I say because it’s not the almighty God in a conventional way. For now I can just see it as the planet’s Truth (just like Ed’s Truth or Al’s Truth). What really is Truth? We don’t know yet, better wait a little longer for the last chapter to come out to see if there’s some more light about it.

  54. Truth says:

    There probably won’t be more light shed on Truth at the end. You all should just read about Kabbalah is you want to understand “God” in FMA-verse. It’s all there.

  55. Truth says:

    People over in the West are too stuck on the idea of monotheism and possibly polytheism, but there are other things too. Like Hunter-Wolf said there’s Pantheism which is so clearly what Truth falls under if you pay attention to even the smallest things. If you look further Arakawa obviously based everything in FMA on Kabbalah. Read between the lines people! Don’t wait for the answers to be handed to you at the end!

  56. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @Reach

    I think those you claim i have read their comments in the wrong way can reply by themselves .. they don’t need you to do so for them … 2nd .. please act more mature and refrain from personal insults .. they only make you look like a childish brat.

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    @ntd

    Yeah, except he never claimed to be genuinely interested in knowledge or curious about it … only interested in the whole “absorbing God” thing as a means of becoming a “god” himself (like i mentioned once to overcome his inferiority complex) .. but again it wasn’t even necessary .. he was already extremely powerful and knowledgeable before he did it.

    @Bobby

    Well … the whole “becoming God” thing is frustrating for several reasons not just one or two.

    1-Overly done and extremely cliche in Jap-anime .. hundreds of anime villains have already done that .. and every single time it is the same exact scenario and same exact ending.

    2-It’s a DEAD END every freaking time it happens, and nothing happens after it … the main villain just claims to have reached god-hood (accompanied by some maniacal laughter and claims that nothing can stop him now) only to be shortly kicked in the face and defeated by the main character/s .. every freaking time.

    3-The so called villain always claims to have reached god-hood but never once did they show any sign of it more than just overpowered versions of their previous skills/powers/abilities .. making the whole becoming God a trivial matter of leveling up “RPG style” and hitting the level cap .. which is a very laughable concept really … the only series that got it right was Rahxephon IMO … Rahxephon spoiler **** in the end of Rahxephon when the main character attained some sort of god-hood he felt really different and otherworldly (and ended up reforming the entire world from what i understood)**** /end of spoiler.

    4-Some occasions of the becoming god thing involve defeating a previous entity that attained god hood and taking its power … but again like i said before .. if said entity can already be defeated by the villain before he attained god-hood .. then defeating it and absorbing its power is a completely POINTLESS venture.

    5-In most cases that godly villain is defeated by the power of love/friendship/courage/… etc etc .. although that’s not entirely true in FMA .. those who read chapter 107 will get this point … WARNING FMA manga spoiler **** when Ed starting punching “father” with an arm that just got impaled by a thick metal bar it felt really cheesy .. specially with everyone deciding to watch and cheer gleefully .. that really felt way out of place and not in the spirit of the series” / END of spoiler.

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    I can keep going as to why the whole “becoming God” is an extremely overdone (read 60% or more of shonen series) and cheesy hollow premise that detracts of the story 99% percent of the time and doesn’t add anything meaningful .. actually it’s rare to actually see villains with reasonable goals that actually are attainable and actually they can succeed in them and the story would still have place for more developments afterwards .. meaning that even if Dante achieved her perfect immortality or Orochimaru obtained all the ninja techniques .. it’s not and “end all” event .. there would still be room for developments for both the characters and the stories they are in (even if not explicitly shown).

  57. Cornwiggle says:

    First off, in FMA, “God” or rather Truth was introduced right at the beginning, setting up that there was some sort of higher power in this story.

    So it’s not thrown out of left field.

    Secondly, if you really think the story is going nowhere now, you’re sadly mistaken.

  58. light019 says:

    I think some people are being overtly picky. FMA isn’t perfect but many people seem to focusing on its minor problems rather than looking at what it does right. FMA is a brilliant anime and those most of the criticisms are making a mountain out of a molehill.

  59. Johnson says:

    Warning: potential spoilers (not really; I’m going to be vague but if you don’t want to take chances, don’t read)

    @UnknownVoice: Even the thing Greed said about friends? I thought that was the lamest shit ever. He’s a motherf**king Homonculous for crying out loud.

    I mean, FMA is geared toward teenagers, so what do you expect, right?

  60. Bobby says:

    @ Hunter-Wolf

    i see what you’re trying to get at, but the whole trope about “Big Bad wants to be all-powerful” is not just a anime/manga thing, most good/bad stories usually have the heroes facing someone trying to become god-like/supreme, be it lord of the rings, harry potter, etc. bad guys love/want power, THAT’S WHY THEY’RE BAD (lol). if it’s executed well it works. and i think FMA has done it well.

    the entire series Father has been Joe Cool, totally in control and essentially about 5 chess moves ahead of everybody else. he is a TRUE top villain compared to Dante who like i said earlier was weaker than her minions and had a (MALE COW FECES) ultimate goal IMHO.

    right now really feels like a titanic battle, you know good will prevail cuz that’s how it always plays out but you don’t know HOW it will happen, who will die, if mustang/ed/al will get their bodies restored or if somehow a twist will be introduced (like how ed/al were separated in diff. worlds at the end of the 1st series), who will take over amestris (mustang or olivier or somebody else), if mustang/hawkeye etc. will be punished for the military crimes in ishval etc.

    SO MANY INTRIGUING subplots, and that’s IF they defeat Father. so uh, YEAH, the badguy god-thing can work if well executed.

  61. theone says:

    @hunter wolf

    Cool story Bro.

  62. PicoPallino says:

    @Bobby: you didn’t read the manga it seems. So prepare for a big disappointment about all the intriguing subplots.

  63. 4saken says:

    I think people should stop using manga spoilers to prove their points.

  64. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @4saken

    Ok ok .. no need for that anymore .. i actually looked at the final chapter RAW and i tell it was worth it (guess that doesn’t qualify as a spoiler XD).. actually after reading a little about Pantheism things make more sense … oh .. and “Father” is an idiot for not reading about “Pantheism” too /sarcasm XD

    Can’t wait for it to be translated and animated .. gahhhh .. the wait will be very painful .. i’ll have to imagine i never saw the RAW .. maybe self-hypnotization will help .. forget .. forget .. forget *stares at a swinging pendulum* XD

    Huh !!!? .. what am i doing here XD

  65. Bobby says:

    @PicoPallino

    i totally have read the manga (waiting for the last chapter) so i don’t get why you’re necessarily pessimistic about the subplots i brought up. ed and al have been trying the whole series to get their bodies back, and i’d assume that a character as popular as mustang wouldn’t be left blind as well. SOMEBODY has to take over the country if bradley/the homunculi aren’t in charge and right now (as of ep. 60 so as not to spoil anything) olivier’s faction is being painted as the traitors and mustang’s forces are also in play (so is grummann to some extent) so that subplot can totally be resolved. whether hawkeye/mustang etc. get punished for basically being unwittingly used by the homunculi to commit genocide is another matter but it has been raised in the story so it could also be addressed. and some more good guys beyond fu/buccaneer can totally kick the bucket before the end. none of my subplots is hard to resolve at all within the last chapter IMO, just saying.

  66. Reltair says:

    2 more episodes to go? I want to see how they decide to deal with Father.

  67. PicoPallino says:

    @Bobby:
    I’m not pessimistic and I don’t say that the subplots cannot be resolved in the last chapter. I referred with my thoughless post more to the overall impression the ending made on me (last chapter of the manga). The ending is okay, because it fits the story. But I expected something more. That’s the disappointment I talked about. Maybe you will feel the same after reading (or watching) the end? Or maybe not? We’ll see :-)

  68. Cornwiggle says:

    There’s not two episodes to go:

    Let us count:

    61: 1
    62: 2
    63: 3

    And I’ve heard there’s also going to be a 64.

    But it’s at least three.

  69. Tiger says:

    HAH! I KNEW you were gonna add another star to the chapter 104 episode. I just KNEW it.
    … 3 more episodes? Assuming each ep gets one chapter, the 110 page long final chapter (which was GOURGEOUS, btw.) would become a movie, maybe? *hopes*

  70. Tiger says:

    HAH! I KNEW you were gonna add another star to the chapter 104 episode. I just KNEW it.
    … 3 more episodes? Assuming each ep gets one chapter, the 110 page long final chapter (which was GOURGEOUS, btw.) would become a movie, maybe? *hopes*

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AidanAK47
@Anon, I actually liked that aspect. It made the history of the world feel real.
Anonymous1409027
It's compressible, as there are many episodes of buildup, but that's where so many of the interesting details and depth of planning become evident. Some of those episodes read like a history textbook though, so we'll see how the new adaptation handles them,
Anonymous1409027
*pleasantly
KTravlos
Tytania was ok.
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the Amakusa Shiro reference in the fate review, I've seen a film about him from the 50s , theres also an old josei manga where the protagonist ends up becoming essentially regarded as him.
KTravlos
Hi Kaiser. Supposedly this is a re-imagining of the original story. Thus independent of the OVAs (old serieis). What exactly re-imagining means is something I and you do not know. We shall see. But it does mean that you do not need to watch the old series to enjoy this one. The OVA was definetly more expansive than the novels. So my guess is they will stick to the novels.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There's another anime, called Tytania based on his novels but I haven't seen that series.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As in condensable in the way nothing much is lost? I assume there are fillers in the original?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm indifferent to the aesthetics of the new version. What I'm hoping for is that it will be accessible to newcomers and that I'll be able to jump on to the old series where the new one leaves off. I've seen very little of the original and it was a long time ago, is there any way the story is condensable?
KTravlos
The fact that they stayed away from the disgusting new manga is great. I am not too keen on the CGI ships, but they also did not rankle. It looks like it will honor the spirit of the old series, and I cannot ask for more. I am a massive LOGH fan. And the new video out gives me hope of revisiting one of the greatest sci-fi/historical settings out there. I am happy.
AidanAK47
I hope they are using the old anime as a base and not the new Manga adaption. As that Manga adaption is seriously lacking.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I like that they blinged up the space battles which is good because those things could get tiresome. But I really hate the design of Yang Wenli. They made him look so much younger and bishi. I don't think i could take this guy seriously if he started one of Wenli's signature hypothesis.
Anonymous1408919
Thoughts on that new LOGH PV? My expectations were low, so I'm presently surprised. Obviously they made everybody pretty boys, and Mamoro Miyano is voicing Reinhard I believe. But art and animation actually looks pretty decent overall. It's a PV, and LOGH's best quality is it's story and characters, so we'll have to see if they remain faithful or not. But it's nice to see it get a visual overhaul.
AidanAK47
By the way this site has the first chapters but check the other versions to find them.
http://mangapark.me/manga/tsurezure-children-wakabayashi-toshiya
AidanAK47
@Mario, Indeed. It's also a pity that over half the couples in the manga were not featured. We only got a small taste of Patricia.
SuperMario
Or maybe I'll try to read the manga. The last time I checked it online, the site doesn't have its first few chapters
SuperMario
@Aidan: man, Tsurezure Children sure is sweet. Really sad to see it ends
AidanAK47
So that's the end of Tsurezure Children.
....I'm gonna need a second season. Now.
....NOW GODDAMNIT! NOW!
KTravlos
As I said I understand the criticisms to RE:Creator, but ultimately I enjoyed most of the show. It could had been better, and it is a missed chance. But I have seen worse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I gave up halfway through, there weren't even enough action scenes and those that were didn't justify waiting around for.
AidanAK47
Could have at least delivered on the action but that was rendered pointless due to the majority of the cast turning good and Altair being a complete cheat character.
AidanAK47
It would have been really fun to see characters discuss their stories with their creators or indulge in what our world has to offer but they really glossed over that part.
AidanAK47
It really should have gone deeper into the whole meta aspect introducing anime characters to the real world. Like they did with Mamika's powers being ridiculously destructive when outside a kid friendly setting.
AidanAK47
@Puran, I at least like the message of the final episode. But as for the show itself it was just missed potential on a lot of levels. I wanted Anime Genre battle royale and instead got a secondhand Shirobako with a crap shounen anime attached.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have been forgiving of Anno as I've gotten older.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also just re-watched gunbuster, I'd previously dismissed the ova after a few episodes when I was a teenager, I'd found it too slow, didn't have that issue with the 90 minute version I just finished. I've never see the sequels.
Lenlo
Ill have to finish Creators... at some point
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've been dipping back into the Lupin franchise, Gold of babylon was particularly screwball, kind of ridiculous comedy caper/adventure thing you just have to run with....turns out it was directed by a live action filmaker I especially like who made bizzare noir films in the 60s.
Puran
So that explains why Meteora had so much air time in Re:Creators. It's her story....

I hated the ending and I disliked the anime overall.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was a genuine surprise to see that Assayas decided to make a film framed around hentai =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I loved how incoherent demonlover was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The criticisms I'll give wind river, is a slight inconsistent performance from Renner and that very awkwardly inserted flashback scene.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: on Wind River, I agree it's a well-executed case of the week drama, although there are some plot pregressions that I don't get (how did they find out about the man's corspe again?). About Demonlover, man, the film gives me a chill down my spine. Heartless. And a bit misogynist.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: as much as I loved Wong (yeah I too prefer him over Malick), sometimes I do think Western cinema give him too much praise that sadly overshadow other Asian directors.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wong is important to me as a hong-kong filmaker, he offers something entirely different from the whole Woo/Lam Hong komg movies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: On a more positive note Maggie Cheung did mention that she felt her early work with Wong was when she first truly became a proper actress.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: ....I had no idea he had such a sad background.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*investigation drama
SuperMario
@Kaiser: that film also marked/ signified a rather sad period of Hongkong showbiz. Leslie Cheung badically lived the live of the protagonist and commited suicide in 1997. His girlfriend on screen, during the filming, was kidnaped, raped and taken topless picture. The damnest thing is that everyone knowed the culprit but did nothing, and in the press it was just deemed as "kipnapped and assaulted"
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wind river was a big surprise for me, just goes to show that with the right execution an ordinary police drama movie can be elevated higher.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Thats the interesting thing, tracking a directors career.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just binge watched the new dominion tank police ovas , admittedly these are kind of reptitive and extremely silly but its hard to hate on something so shamelessly fun that made me feel like a child again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: you said it there. DoBW is rather raw and unpolished but that's one of the reason why I am drawn to it more compare to his other works.
AidanAK47
In all honesty, it would be nice to finally see a continuation after fusion as all games after that have just been adding chapters in-between.
Vonter
Finally I wonder, if Metroid Prime 4 will definitely branch out of the main Metroid's continuity. It's curious how an interquel subseries is still going to add things in between the first and the second entries in the main franchise.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - I think is nice we can see both takes. Especially since neither one despite a few qualms are still very solid entries for this franchise. I just hope Metroid moves forward, as IMO this is the only game that really needed a facelift do to the heavy limitations of the gameboy. And I hope the secret gallery at the end is teasing how the producer plans to move the plot forward.
AidanAK47
I thought it might be like that but it's good to know they are at least on a close level. I didn't really want Samus Returns to replace AM2R as the "Definitive" version of Metroid 2. Mostly because a lot of love was put into AM2R andit came at a point when it felt Nintendo didn't give a crap about Metroid.
Vonter
Like Zero Mission there's something added to Samus Returns but I'll just leave it at that.
Vonter
I think both have strong points. Samus Returns have better boss battles, gameplay mechanics and more intense action pieces. AM2R IMO has more atmosphere, takes advantage of elements Nintendo don't even try like the Federation subplot, and the ending portion narratively has more heart in AM2R, while in Samus Returns it feels mostly like "the final level".
Vonter
I also did got lost a couple of times in Samus Returns and aside from the big water section in AM2R, the latter is more linear game.
Vonter
I think the controls in Samus Returns bring more to the table though. The 360 aiming makes for better ways to shoot enemies and some of the bosses take advantage of that. If it weren't for the 3DS giving hand cramps because you're holding L and R at several points it'll be completely the most ideal way to play.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - AM2R is very good, I think it has the advantage that because it uses sprites IMO backgrounds and enemies are more vibrant and easier to appreciate. The Federation soldiers are better executed in AM2R and that secret section with the ship is very eery.
AidanAK47
@Vonter, How does it stack up to AM2R? I bought it and am still waiting on it to be delivered but I have the feeling that AM2R would be the better game when comparing.
Vonter
I took me 12 hours to 100% and I've heard the best ending is beating it in less than 4 hours. I think unlike Zero Mission item percentage don't matter, it's mainly to unlock an art gallery.
Vonter
My main criticism is this being a 3DS game. Small enemies can be hard to see or appreciate. And I think the 3DS wasn't made for heavy action packed games like this or Smash Bros. I got the rubber from the circle pad come off in two occasions. Also unless there was something big in the background, several areas felt lacking in detail. Still Samus and the bosses look good.
Vonter
In terms of difficulty, the game has the enemies packing more damage than in other 2D Metroids. Is difficult in the sense than you can't tank damage as in other iterations, you have to be aware of enemy behavior and bosses mainly get easier do to familiarizing with their patterns, since I did die a lot each time I faced a new boss. And got used to kill them faster as I went along.
Vonter
Ok, so I beat Samus Returns. It's quite good. Unlike Fusion that had dialogue at midst the gameplay. Samus Returns only has a prologue of exposition and any cutscenes mainly accentuate the reactions of Samus confronting a new enemy. The level design is dense, despite having isolated areas like in Fusion and the original Samus Returns, each area is very mazelike.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: =< Awww I kind of like demonlover actually despite all its flaws, it had great sound design and had this cold, clinical, un-nerving mood to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Days of being wild does feel a bit un-realized/un-polished/rough compared to his other work definitely but its probably the rawest I've seen from him and that has its appeal.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Haven't seen farewell my concubine come to think of it. Regarding the scifi element I felt I embraced it more further into the film when it started to intermingle more.
While I am more forgiving toward Malick's recent films than most, that decline in quality means I have to pick Wong.
KTravlos
by the way in RE:Creators we probably will be getting a future series focusing on the hunt for Magane :p Meteora probably playing the role of detective. I also bet her novel will be wordy and heavy in exposition :p
KTravlos
i.e his end game might had been a cross-species revolution against him anyway. We will see
KTravlos
In Bahamut Chris proves to not be totally evil, but he is totally crazy. That said I am seeing one of my hunches getting supported, the hunch was that his cruelty towards daemons was with the purpose of bringing them down enough that they would be willing to work with humans as euals (As they are in Jean's army) and thus via that create a more unified world. I
KTravlos
RE: Creators has come to its end. I know the problems everyone has with it, and while it failed to raise to the level of exceptional show, I loved it. As I said, it had been years since a show kept me so excited episode after episode. They blew it at some point, but ultimately for me this is an en-joyful show, and one I would happily binge watch in the future again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: question for you though, between these two directors, which one do you prefer: Wong Kar-Wai or Terrance Malick?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: if you enjoyed both 2046 and In the Mood for Love, by all mean check out Days of Being Wild. The trio forms a loose trilogy and Days of Being Wild was the first film that Wong began his unique unconventional style. It's one of my personal favorite of Wong and it's a chance for you to watch the late Leslie Cheung acted (you might watch him already in Farewell My Concubine)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: 2046 is indeed a passionate film, and one of his best looking film. He tried something different in 2046 too, experimented with scifi (one of the best part in the film for me)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's stritcly Wong Kar Wai's romance we're talking about, since I don't find the rest of Chinese take on romance that interesting. Romance or melodrama is one of his main theme throughout his career
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was slightly overly long however.
I've also seen chungking express, in the mood for love and fallen angels. I think this Chinese take on romance is really clicking with me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I also thought it was a very passionette film and I love how Kar-wong-wai uses the music in it. I also think its one of his best looking films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I had a look at that Chinese film 2046, very effectively melancholic take on fleeting relationships while also successfully being quite sensual while staying classy and without ever showing too much. Tony Leung and Maggie Cheung are two beautiful people =P
SuperMario
for those who still want to catch up with 18if, episode 11 has a huge recap, while wrapping up the show with a new overarching plot. Hopefully they don't pull another Matrix here
SuperWooper
It's shounen-y for sure. The competitions have been my least favorite parts of the show so far. If you're still watching, you might appreciate it more once the Tenpei Cup is over.
Anonymous1399692
Damn Ballroom looks so good. But I really can't enjoy it despite that I want to. It has too many of these typical shounen moments and plot points I can't stand.
Anonymous1399684
Omae wa mou shindeiru
Lenlo
Mononoke is actually what made me find Ayakashi. Also a good show.
SuperMario
Regarding Ayakashi, I only watched the Mononoke segment
SuperMario
"It was a long, long trip, and we're coming finally to the end of the journey. Thank you, Manoyama and Chupacabra. And thank you, 5 EURO" - Sandal-san.
Lenlo
Ayakashi was great for me Kaiser. I enjoyed my time with it
Vonter212
@AidanAK47 - The hard aspect has been commented in several reviews with bosses being able to easily kill you. (Although in my experience it might be just getting a pattern). In terms of length most 2D games can be beaten under 3 hours. This one seems to clock at at least 6 to 15 if you want to collect everything. Then again, we'll see in subsequent playthroughs.
AidanAK47
`@Vonter. It's out now but I don't remember seeing anyone claim it's the longest hardest entry 2D wise.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Going to watch new dominion tank police next and read violence action and Oddman 11.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It took me years to get round to it, but I finally watched Ayakashi and as expected like most anthologies, again its mixed, the first is a solid ghost story that improves after a weak start, but that third one with the cat spirit was great, really liked how experimental that looked.
Vonter
Soo a new Metroid comes out this week. It is said, it's the longest, hardest entry in regards to the 2D iterations. Still not as great as Super, and depending on your fanaticism it might or not be as good as Zero Mission.
SuperMario
But they didn't pull that scene off too well. It's just... unmemorable. In fact the whole show is very unremarkable. Now only 1 episode left I might as well finish it but I won't give it a full review
SuperMario
Koi to Uso has been disappointing so far. Episode 10 featured the sequence that i was looking forward the most in the manga: the former classmate tells the one sided crush of the main girl from her POV. For a romance that contrived and manipulated like this one, hearing this from the third person's perspective prove to be more powerful
Vonter
@HelghastKillzone - Good luck with that. I almost had my car's engine damaged since it has been raining heavily where I live. Had to ask for help the next day to pull it out of mud. Still not as bad as the other three cars that did get stuck in the water.
HelghastKillzone
Dealing with work and the total loss of my car really sucks at the moment so I'm quite tied up for this week.
KTravlos
I do agree to a point, but to be frank all the episodes of Princess Principal to date have been so solid I have a hard time deciding. Episode 5 though was still the best from a holistic point (action, direction, music etc) was the one introducing Chise
SuperMario
Agree. Dorothy has the biggest heart out of all the spy girls. Also "help" that her episodes are all melodramatic.
Amagi
This episode of PrinPrin showed again that Dorothy is the best character by far. Not just herself but her episodes as well are better written than the rest if you ask me.
KTravlos
It just hit me. The characters in Princess Principal may be very well working for IngSoc :p
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, in the seven chapters it's only really two of them that contain dark shocking content. Chapter three being the biggest one in that regard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read a comment where someone said subahibi shocked them more than saya no uta. While I haven't played it yet, I have seen some of a letsplay...it lleft me thinking....how many hours until this actually gets good/truly unhinged .
AidanAK47
After Reading SubaHibi, Made in Abyss's dark turn didn't shock me too much. Maybe I just got desensitised. I will have a review of SubaHibi hopefully up in a week though to clarify my feelings on it after just finishing it, It was interesting but disappointing.
KTravlos
well, well. Both Made in the Abyss and Virgin Soul do not hold back. Grim! RE:Creators is warping up. Comparing with these other shows I can fully appreciate the problems people have with it. But still I am glad I am sticking to the end. Altair's voice actor by the way did great.
AidanAK47
@Helghast, And Kings Field was the Demon Souls before Demon Souls came out.
KTravlos
having binge watched several of this season's shows I would say Princess Principal is the most rounded. Made in Abyss is good. Kakegurui and The Reflection as SuperMario said will depend on your tastes. There is also Shouko no Altair. You will like it if you liked Tanya Saga of Evil, or Legend of Galactic Heroes, or Arslan Senki or manga like Vinland Saga, Gunka no Baltzar, and especially Historie
Anonymous1385641
Jesus...me watching this weeks Made in Abyss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ogzsWhZcmM
HelghastKillzone
So... Demon Souls was the Dark Souls before Dark Souls came out.
SuperMario
@anon1385426: the safest bets aside from Made in Abyss are Welcome to the Ballroom and Princess Principal. Kakegurui and the Refection are for more acqurired taste
Anonymous1385426
Aside from Made in Abyss, what's the best anime this season?
Lenlo
@KT, the pacing and the framerate early on are my two biggest issues. Later on the story starts to get abit more engaging, and they start doin things I didnt expect, but the pacing is still there. Some akward pauses.
Lenlo
Look, Berserk and Dark Souls are both amazing. But I only have 3 Dark Souls games, and 38 Berserk volumes. Im clearly biased
KTravlos
I sat down and watched the first 4 episodes of The Reflection. It is an interesting attempt, and I can see the people making it having fun doing so. But I did notice a pacing issue. For some reason the episodes felt like they dragged a bit too long.
AidanAK47
Dark Souls is the Berserk of Video Games.
Amagi
Dark Souls really went all Berserk if you ask me
AidanAK47
I am not one for putting down law but can we never ever compare anything to Dark Souls ever again? Cause it's actually become really tiresome how everything is the dark souls of something.
Lenlo
No other sentence has made me want to watch Made in Abyss more
HelghastKillzone
I guess we're finally at the point where Made in Abyss goes all Dark Souls/Bloodborne.
Amagi
Apo's Jack the Ripper had at least a nice idea behind it, it's just the clothes that are a bad choice. But there are just too many lolis for the sake of fanservice in that game. I accept it if there is at least a reason for this but it's usually just random.
Amagi
@Aidan: Same here. I was never a fan of genderbendings and turning historical people into lolis. The first one I can accept with people like Arthuria because it added a lot to her character, but most of them are just plain and generic. I just see no reason why pirates, grown up men or Blavatsky would ever appear as little girls. Especially since popular beliefs should influence their appearance.
SuperMario
On Altair, one commenter did an excellent job of poiting out the appeal of that show; and frankly the show is wearing on me now.
SuperMario
@Travlos: I'm glad you enjoy Princess Principal. I'm quite surprised myself that in the latter half the show slowed its pace down which mean the focus is switched from action to more characters interactions; which I greatly enjoy
KTravlos
Well I binge watched Princess Principal. That is a very good show. I was surprised. Good animation, good music, the art is good, hell I even did not mind the protagonist art. But what I really like is the stories. All the episode were pretty solid and interesting.
AidanAK47
Just won a fight by the skin of my teeth thanks to my Lancer, Cu Chulainn. You the man Cu!
AidanAK47
@Amagi, Been playing Grand Order myself. It's rather fun. There are some good original character in it but I notice with Quantity certain figures designs were pretty terrible. I thought Assassins of black was the worst but some Grand Order servents manage to top it in terrible. Why all the bikini's?
Amagi
Fate/GO has quite some interesting original characters there. Wish we'd see them in some actual manga or anime series with more backstory someday. - I also like that we finally have an overpowered, interesting and competent Hassan with King Hassan for once. His design is metal AF too.
KTravlos
Binge watched Altair. The pacing of the show is a problem, but in general the raw material is good. Altair is sympathetic, and the world is interesting. But I do feel this is the kind of show that would had gained by a Monster or LOGH type treatment. Also, man it is scary how accurate they got some of the traits of Greeks (Phoenicians in the show). I am a Greek, I should know! :p
KTravlos
forgot to mention. I saw the 91 Days special. Three side stories that give some depth to the events in the main anime, but nothing that goes beyond it's end. Still they were in general ok to good.
SuperWooper
It's got Jude Law playing "this kind of huge robot butler called Charles, who is also a rocket ship." What could possibly go wrong?
AidanAK47
Anime with Jaden Smith? Um..I don't know about this.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: one of the good thing about SoL shows like Centaur and even 18if is that their episodes are self-contained, so you can just jump right in to watch the good ones and ignore the rest
SuperMario
I just love Chise's presence so I might enjoy the last episode more than anyone else. But yeah I'm quite satisfied with Princess Principal right now
AidanAK47
Actually I am quite surprised Princess Principal hasn't gone off the rails yet. Might even turn out to be a fun show in the end. If the man can make it to the finish line without a misstep.
AidanAK47
Hey I am having fun with my Shows. Made in Abyss is still quite excellent and Fate/Apoc is picking up. Even started playing Fate/Grand Order.
Lenlo
Man, sounds like I was the only one to have a good week with their show. Reflection really stepped it up this week in pretty much every category. Not sure it will last, but hey. Ill take one
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm so disappointed in 18...if. Perfect opportunity to capitalize on something with a dreamlike feel to it and be creative only it ends up getting held back.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I see Vonter and Mario are seducing me into watching Centaur.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*can't
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can'y see myself giving re creators a second chance, and from skimming these conversations, why should the show only get going at the end? It just sounds like too little too late.
AidanAK47
Honestly that's what Re:Creators biggest issue is. It builds up these great interesting idea's and then refuses to capitalize on them.
AidanAK47
Then it would be a battle to win over the audience and he who entertains them the most would get the most power. Just think of how many interesting ways that would take the fight. Like Altair could lose power and have to win over the crowd with her backstory and theatrics. A hero could purposefully get beaten to hell just so they can get a powerup from saying a boastful speech about kicking ass.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Exactly. Now there is an interesting fighting element. Imagine if both Altair and the heroes had to fight with the limitation of keeping the audience entertained. Altair couldn't pull out overpowered nonsense because the audience wouldn't approve and her power would drop. Same goes for the heroes.
Anonymous1378112
On the other hand I am not a fan of this whole final arc. It's just not believable to me to gather such a big audience who will do nothing but watch and accept everything you show them. Not to mention that the show is technically live acting to them. Considering how much anime fanbases already hate the DN movie and stuff I doubt many would sit there and accept that
Anonymous1378112
@Aidan: This made me pretty angry. like, they wasted a ton of screentime with these boring info dumps and now they're just irrelevant and the enemy just fucks over it
AidanAK47
Actually the last development was actually a screw the rules moment as well. So the only way to beat Altair is to just chuck aside the rules established with the last 20 episodes.
AidanAK47
You don't need to give Altair a creator in order to to limit her. You just need her to obey the rules the entire series has spent time setting up. Altairs actions are just handwaved with "Screw the rules! I am a OC" audence acceptance doesn't seem to make a difference.
AidanAK47
@KTravlos, The creators have incredibly limited power as while they can introduce anything, it won't be effective unless the audience approves of it. Altair can pull whatever she wants without limit. If anything I don't understand why the audence isn't shouting for her to get nerfed seeing as some random indie character is wrecking fan favourite characters.
Vonter212
@SuperMario - Centaur Worries is the equivalent of Every Flavour Beans. You don't know what you're gonna get, bad, good, cringe, cool, deep, superficial, etc. While the gore isn't that graphic, it is still violent for this kind of show and the alien part has some disturbing body horror, for this show. The shock is mainly because of how light hearted everything else is.
SuperMario
I just watched Centaur, it was heavy as hell, but really poetic in tying these 2 half episodes together. God, it's excellent. And I don't mid the show's constant tonal shifts at all
KTravlos
@Aidan I have to disagree with you. Altair's overpowering does not bother me too much. a) If you think about it, it is their only choice, as creators also have immense power. There only other option would be to give Altair her own Creator, but that would turn this to just a Fate copy. So I am ok with what they have done. b) they do explain it world-wise so it does not come out of the blue
KTravlos
A nice overview of the alternative history genre, but more importantly the work of Kawaguchi http://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/the-mike-toole-show/2017-09-04/.120893
SuperMario
@Vonter: the manga has gore and alien? Really? Now that's interesting
SuperMario
... genre often does. For me its unfocusness works for its benefit. We don't know for sure what we gets each time and that's the main reason I still looking forwards to it every week
SuperMario
@Vonter: I haven't caught up with Centaur's this week but I heard it tackles Holocaust so I'm all in. It's not something cute girl
Vonter
Wow, Centaur Worries, took some really heavy themes this episode. The softy in me, found them powerful, but the cynic in me thinks it might have been a touch manipulative, since this show has interesting ideas, but lacks focus. One episode is cute, another progressive, another ecchi, and another the holocaust. Makes me wonder if they'll show the gore and the aliens from the manga.
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