Posted by psgels on 12 June 2010 with categories: Durarara



I think that I can finally point to what exactly I’ve been disliking about this series during the second half: it’s Kida. In this episode I actually quite liked Mikado and Anri, and their actions are quite believable. Anri had a bit of a slump at the end of her own arc, but even that was great as a build-up. I loved how in this episode she came to terms with herself, and how she finally developed. It’s here where all that build-up pays off. At the same time, Mikado was also quite interesting. I can believe his angst at the end of the episode, because hey; he just found out that one of his best friend became involved with some silly struggle that he was the indirect initiator of. The guy needs a bit of time alone.

Kida though… I don’t get him. His angst to protect those dear to him, combined with the way that he suddenly started yelling to Anri when he finally was able to talk to her under two eyes… I’m not really interested in that to be honest. For me, the parts of this series that focus on his angst are by far my least favourite of the entire series.

And it’s a darn shame, because the rest of this series really is excellent. It still sucks that it’s gonna end in two episodes, but this episode was well written, and one of those episodes in which a ton of build-up comes together and pays off. That really was great to see, and I loved the subtlety that the creators put into the development of the relationship between Celty, Anri and Mikado.
Rating: ** (Excellent)

28 Responses

  1. c160 says:

    Yes,I think Kida’s whole angst thing really made the show a bit of a drag to watch sometimes.Seriously,that Kida in the rain thing in this episode made me laugh more than anything..

    And Mikado’s decision to disband Dollars was really O.o How did he came up with that decision??I mean things went smoothly,and I thought he would probably utilize Dollars to the max but instead he went around wanting it to disappear..

  2. Elkin says:

    If it’s any relief to you, the scene where Kida meets up with Anri was not in the original novel. Kida has never raised a hand against Anri… or even raised his voice for that matter.

    A lot of novel fans are disappointed at the decision, but let’s hope they pull it off.

  3. Roger says:

    Hey, someone that completely understands Mikado. You can tell me, why does Mikado, quite seperate from the Dollars thing, decide to not anwer his cell when his best friend for years, who had gone missing for like a week, decides to call him? I though that was just a DEM for drama purposes.

  4. psgels psgels says:

    I think that it’s this point at which Mikado realizes that things have gotten out of hand, when one of his best friends became involved. It’s not like he disbanded it for good, but I think it was also an attempt to distantiate himself from the dollars.

    My guess is that he never even looked at the phone, and just assumed that it was the dollars who kept bugging him to ask what’s up.

  5. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @psgels
    Psgels .. in your own words .. you said that

    “he just found out that one of his best friend became involved with some silly struggle that he was the indirect initiator of. The guy needs a bit of time alone.”

    Ok .. so Mikado’s angst is fine cause he thinks Anri got involved because of him … but Kida’s angst isn’t .. how is that !!! .. let me explain.

    Actually it should be the other way around … Kida is already burdened with the guilt of what happened to that girl in the past (the blue squares incident) … he blames himself not only for getting her involved but also for not being able to rush to her rescue when she needed him the most .. and due to all that the girl suffered a very painful ordeal and ended up hospitalized and almost paralyzed.

    Now Kida sees Anri being involved .. it is extremely and totally natural for his guilt to kick in and his emotions to get stirred up considering what happened before .. he will do anything for it not to happen again … he has every right to act a little angesty .. not only that .. but using your own words .. Mikado was “indirect intiatior” of the struggle .. Kida on the other hand was directly involved in what happened with the blue sqaures and also with the current events unlike Mikado.

    On the other hand .. Mikado !!! .. i don’t see any reason for him to act angsty compared to the reasons Kida has (Which are extremely valid and reasonable specially with Izaya Orihara manipulating his feelings and keeping his past guilt alive and well) .. heck he is still a kid after all .. that’s to much pressure for him.

    I don’t see how can anyone get it the other way around !!?

  6. Roger says:

    We see him stare at the cellphone and get icture of the handle with “Kida Masaomi”, at which point Mikado rolls over.

  7. psgels psgels says:

    Hmm, I guess it’s the way in which mikado’s angst is evolving; there’s progress in his character and he feels rather dynaimic, while I have much less sympathty for Kida, who feels to me like he still hasn’t gone anywhere.

    That, and I feel like the way in which Kida reliefs his angst is far more annoying than Mikado’s.

  8. pgal says:

    I’m annoyed by both Kida and Mikado. They are so focused on their own problems, that they are ignoring everyone else who are getting into trouble.
    Kida walked past the yellow gang while they were beating someone and did nothing! Mikado used the dollars successfully to save Anri, and still disbanded the dollars before he could save someone else
    When will they realize that its not just about them anymore

  9. Hopeh-wa says:

    Sh…Shizzy-chan.

    Alkajsdlfkjaslj.

    There. Don’t think I can say much more coherent than that, and any other good points about this episode have already been stated by all the rest of you.

    I think I’ll go bury my head in the sand about Shizuo, now. ;___;

  10. Chan says:

    The Dollars are not out of Mikado’s hand, in fact they were never out of control to begin with. The problem is that Izaya wants Mikado to think that the Dollars are out of control, and Mikado is believing him despite the fact that there is no evidence to prove him right.

    Also again with the conversations, pay attention to what Kida was saying when he was yelling at Anri. Kida actually has more of a reason to be angsty than Mikado.Consider this 1)Kida knows that Mikado is the leader of the Dollars
    2)Kida has no control over the Yellow Scarves, who are blatantly ignoring his orders
    3)Said Yellow Scarves want to start a gang war with the Dollars(even though the Dollars could actually destroy them if they tried).
    4)Kida already has a bad experience with the Yellow Scarves and with gang wars
    5)Kida only became the leader of the Yellow Scarves in order to protect Mikado and Anri, who don’t need his protection, and are actually involved in this.
    6)If the Yellow Scarves find out about Kida’s relationship with the leader of the Dollars and the slashers they will turn on him and Kida knows this.

    Compare this with Mikado
    1)Mikado thinks the Dollars are out of control they aren’t and this episode only proved that.
    2)Mikado knows that the Dollars members are being attacked and that the other Dollars members have formed a kind of task force to take care of it(they actually did say this episode that it has been working).
    3)Mikado has been monitoring the Dollars so he should have been able to tell that Izaya was spewing bullshit.
    4)Mikado shut down the Dollars chat room but for what purpose did it serve? It only took away the one thing that the Dollars members had used to fight against the Yellow Scarves attacks.
    5)Unlike the Yellow Scarves the Dollars actually do listen to Mikado, and they generally don’t do bad things – except for the Yellow Scarves members that are also Dollars members.
    6)He doesn’t know that Kida is the leader of the Yellow Scarves, or Anri’s own involvement in the situation.

    In this case you could pretty much say that Mikado is the one running away from a non-existent problem, instead of doing his own investigation he’s just relying on the words of someone who has been warned against by his own best friend. He shuts down the Dollars website after its members basically proved themselves to be loyal and well intentioned. He then shuts himself away from the world and from his problems which if he paid attention more he would realize that there are actually less of that he thought was there before. Mikado is less justified in angsty behavior than Kida. Though this was just an inclusion in the anime the Mikado in the novel didn’t run away from his problems.

  11. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @chan

    Well said .. i feel Mikado is turning into another Shinji Ikari (with the whole shutting himself out without trying to solve things) .. yeah .. i just watched “EVA – you can (not) advance” .. pretty awesome movie (production wise).. and Shinji still gets on my nerves .. but even he had more real reasons to panic and go angst than Mikado.

  12. Roger says:

    In Mikado’s defense, why the hell aren’t the Dollars out of control? what happened to the bad members of Dollars? The Dollars became famous because Izaya leaked the password, all kinds of thugs got in on it, the original members save Mikado all left and eventually the minority of new good members on Mikado’s suggestion tried to restore it’s name through community service. I mean, by episode 11 the good outweighted the bad because half of Tokyo had signed up by now but now it looks like there aren’t ANY bad guys in Dollars just to make it a black and white situation with the Yellow Scarves.

  13. Chan says:

    @Roger
    Did we watch the same episode? or even the same series. The Dollars as a whole are not out of control it is just certain members, who in this case also belong to the Yellow Scarves that are out of control. The majority of the Dollars members are not out of control.

    Yeah sure Izaya leaked the password but where are the thugs? Where are the actual members causing trouble? Remember there are also police officers in the Dollars as well, not just thugs. The problem with what you’re saying is that your taking into account the fact that the Dollars are not really a gang. What one member individually does not speak for the entire group. In fact Mikado is not really the leader of the Dollars or to be more specific their structure is such that there is no leader. Mikado of all people should know this (though this could be and example of adaptation decay as the novel Mikado was rather anvilicious in repeating this fact). If there is a problem with a member then he would have to deal with that member individually, not the group as a whole, such is the structure of the Dollars.

    While there are many powerful members in the Dollars besides Izaya and the Yellow Scarves members who are also Dollars members, the Dollars don’t cause any trouble. Or rather they avoid causing trouble. Mikado has been lurking on their BBS so he should have been able to figure it out. Oh and by the way it was stated that the other founders had left, not the original members themselves. So they’re still there, but it still does speak in droves how cowardly Mikado is behaving.

  14. Roger says:

    I know, that’s my problem. I’m genuinely asking where these thugs are. They disappeared as soon as they were inconvenient to the story, the reason why Mikado is the sole leader of the Dollars without anyone helping him manage them has been retconned but he’s still in that position. His actions in this situation don’t make sense, imagine that.

    And they may not be an actual gang, but they are targetted as an actual gang, that’s the whole problem. They are being targetted as a group for reasons they dunno, but you can bet there are plenty of members angry and plenty of members in Yellow Scarves reading the message boards. Closing the BBS isn’t an immeadiate solution to their problem, but longterm less people maybe hurt.

    And it’s not adaptation decay, it’s adaptation expansion. By which I mean, none of this **** happened in the light novels. After Celty picks up Anri at the Yellow Scarves hide-out they go straight to Shinra, Shizuo gets gunned down the same day Kida visits Izaya and Kadota and the next episode is looking to be 50% filler as well. Kida doesn’t attend school to feel out Mikado, he never finds out anything about Anri until Mikado does, and so on.

  15. Chan says:

    @Roger
    The thugs were never really there. Most of those cases were just people claiming to be Dollars members (like in the second episode) but were actually not Dollars members. There are many people who pretend to be Dollars members, but are actually not members at all. Also Mikado is not the leader of the Dollars just its founder- they’ve said that many a time before. If you actually are a member of a message board think of it like the relationship between the posters and the BBS administrator. People listen to what the administrator says but they are not obligated to follow. There wasn’t any retcon going on there.

    The “gang war” was something mostly started by Izaya and Horada. Izaya wants people to think of the Dollars as a gang and has manipulated things to make it appear as such. But in reality they are not a gang. The Dollars also know that they are being targeted, and they have created an effective way to fight back without actually fighting, which Mikado stupidly took away from them. Not only that but it didn’t solve a single problem as the attacks continue even after Mikado shut down the site. Also if someone wanted to they could just create another Dollars website invite all the people who used to be members before and then continue on without Mikado, so in the long run its still pretty ineffectual.

    Well whether or not it will become an adaptation decay will depend on how the story ends. Though in the case of Mikado there is borderline flanderization, as the Mikado in the novel is not someone who even thought of closing the website, or hung on Izaya’s every word, or shut himself off from the world when the going got tough. When Izaya told Mikado that the Dollars were out of control in the novel Mikado decided to do his own research to find out whether or not what Izaya said was true and it wasn’t. It was just individual members who were a problem not everyone on the BBS.

  16. Roger says:

    I dunno, I know that some of it was done by peole pretending to be Dollars, but I’m pretty sure Izaya outright said that he was the one that leaked the password, so some of these people actually were Dollars (in that they gained access to the website).

    I don’t think those dozen guys that helped Mikado found the Dollars would punk out if their forum was as serene as always. If Mikado is being flanderized here for not noticing that what’s being said in the Dollars chats have nothing to do with violent acts now then why not back then.

    Anyway, Mikado is not the leader, but he is the guy that makes these decisions. He’s the only one that can pull the plug and the longer the info on the Dollars chats is available to everyone including the ones that are Yellow scarves the better. And I dunno what you mean by this countermeasure. Simon pwned some people that wear yellow, doesn’t need a cellphone for that, the bunny suit guy still got the trash beaten out of him, his cellphone wouldn’t have helped him either.

    And you say that someone else can start another site, so it’s ineffectual: The Dollars consist of hundreds of people, including students, old people and whatnot. At least this way you ain’t gettin beaten up just because you jokingly accepted an invite two years ago. If you accept in invite to the new Dollars with news of Dollars getting beaten up everyday on the tv you at least know what you are getting into. Not that I know how the YC actually knew that Takeguchi is a Dollars. But apparantly they did, so yeah.

  17. kiyosuke says:

    masaomi is irresponsible for just playing around with the openly violent group in the series. and pardon my french, but i don’t see anything besides garden variety emofaggotry in what he’s been doing.

    the writers are gonna have to pull a rabbit the size of anri-chan out of a hat to do something about kida.

    that being said, i’m still hooked. can’t wait to see the ending.

  18. Chan says:

    All the trouble makers that have been shown so far that weren’t a part of the Yellow Scarves were not Dollars members. Remember the whole reason why Mikado thinks that the Dollars were out of control was because he was talking to Izaya who lied between his teeth in order to manipulate him. Remember Mikado was previously living living in a remote place so he had no idea at that time whether or not what Izaya said through the chat room was true or not. We don’t know who Izaya gave the password to but we do know that besides the members who are also Yellow Scarves are the ones causing trouble the Dollars are a pretty quiet.

    In this case the members are upset with Mikado for basically running around in circles. It was shown as much in the previous episode. And yeah Mikado is being flanderized here for not noticing that what Izaya is saying does not match up with what he is witnessing. The Mikado in the novel didn’t listen to Izaya when he gave the warning, in fact when Izaya claimed the Dollars were out of control Mikado in the novel then sought to get rid of the members who were causing trouble. In the novel Mikado says over and over again that he feels responsible for the Dollars because he helped found it. Mikado also did promise to himself to that he would deal with the problems caused by Dollars a promise which he has actually kept in the original novel and broken in the anime.

    Mikado is not the leader he doesn’t even make the decisions for the members. He can merely suggest that they do something, and the members are free to ignore him. In other words the Dollars members make their own decisions.

    Lets get one thing straight here the Bunny suit guy never got beat up, and Simon didn’t beat up the Yellow Scarves members, they just deterred them. Also there are much more people in the Dollars that are not Yellow Scarves than there are are Yellow Scarves. It was even shown in this episode that even though they can read the message board things happen in such quick succession that they won’t be able to follow them. So it was still a pretty effective procedure that Mikado ruined when he decided to run away. Also someone still got beat up for being a Dollars member at the end so we can pretty much see that the BBS is not the problem. Remember there are Dollars members who are also police officers, so it was safer for him to keep the website up, as it could have lead to the arrest of the Yellow Scarves members who were behaving violently. This would have in turn served as a deterrent for the other members to follow Horada. As they would be targeted by the police.

    Is it really ineffectual? You do realize how easy it for another another person to start up a website, or BBS don’t you? They can use the same mailing list from the previous Dollars website to invite the same members on to the new site. Also the people who were targeted were the ones who attended the meeting in episode 11 so you could say that it is essentially Mikado’s fault why these people’s identity as Dollars members were known by the Yellow Scarves, they said in the previous episode how they knew who the members were. It is Mikado’s fault why those people were able to be attacked in the first place, and now he takes away the one thing that could put a stop to it. So in the end Mikado is still in the wrong.

  19. Roger says:

    I like I said, I dunno. I suppose Izaya could have been and just made a whole bunch of accounts himself that claim they did the things people pretending to be Dollars that Mikado and co saw on the news but it just seems like pretty roundabout plot point that only serves to undermind the things Mikado did in his flashbacks in episode 11.

    And what is this countermeasure, you say it was effective and it is the one thing that can stop the, what is this method then? Maybe I was mistaken about whether it was the bunnysuit guy but all the same, episode 22 ended to same as episode 20. Dollars guy being beat up alone and helpless.

    And you are seriously gonna say that is Mikado fault for what happened six months ago, before the Yellow Scarves had any squarrel with the Dollars? Seriously?

  20. Chan says:

    So how can you say “the Dollars are out of control” when they have never shown that to be true? Izaya is a liar, and he was lying to Mikado who should have known better considering all the evidence was pointing to the fact that Izaya was just spewing BS.

    You saw the method in this episode, their are more Dollars members than there are Yellow Scarves. Not only that but they can get around places easier than the Yellow Scarves because of they aren’t a gang. This episode ended the same because Mikado shut down the BBS which they were using to fight back. It ended the same it was because it was Mikado’s fault, he shut down the BBS but what difference did it make? The bunny suit guy never got beat up they stole his cell phone but he never got beat up because they were losing sight of Anri.

    Yes it is his fault, considering that he was the one who called for the meeting six months ago, the very same meeting which made many of the Dollars members lose their anonymity. The Yellow Scarves members did say that they were attacking whoever attended the event, because they were Dollars members. How do you think they know that Shizou, and Simon are Dollars members?

  21. Roger says:

    I DIDN’T SAY THEY WERE OUT OF CONTROL! Look at the post! I was ASKING WHY they weren’t out of control, at least to some degree, as opposed to the unambigious Lawful Good orginisation they are now. Anyway, I’m not denying that Izaya is lying NOW (seriously read the post you reply too), I’m talking about episode 11.

    http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9915/bunnysuitguy.jpg

    I can’t say for sure whether his guy is the bunny suit guy, but he looks an awful lot like him. Did whatever countermeasure the Dollars thought up help him (mind you this is before Mikado shuts the site down)? Nope.

    Anyway it’s Mikado fault for calling the meeting, Celty’s fault for not realizing she didn’t need a head a little sooner, all the Dollars fault for showing up despite people like Ryo joining because they thought it cool that they were colorless AND AS YOU SAY, Mikado is no leader, everybody makes damn decision and can take responsiblity for said decisions, it’s Anri’s fault for hiding her true identity to the last from her friends, it’s Mikado and Kida’s fault for using their orginisations to go after the Slasher or it’s Izayas fault for manipulating all the above into happening. Take your pick.

  22. Chan says:

    The Dollars aren’t out of control because they haven’t done anything. If someone doesn’t do anything then how can you say that they are out of control? I’ve stated such in my first post, if you missed it then you weren’t paying attention. You want to ask me why they aren’t out of control but I gonna throw that question back at you, what have the Dollars done that would be considered out of control?

    That was in a remote location, where there wasn’t much people who could readily help him. Though you brought up a point that I don’t even think that you noticed. You can also make the argument that Horada wouldn’t have known that the guy was a part of the Dollars if the guy just played dumb.

    It was Mikado who sprung the Dollars into action in this episode in order to save Anri, but he has never done anything when the members of the Dollars were attacked. He used them without a second thought and once their use was over he abandoned them again, and locked himself up in his room while refusing to contact others. That is pretty damn selfish.

    Actually even if Kida didn’t join the Yellow Scarves they probably have been even more out of control than they are right now. Celty’s life might very well be connected to her head, so it was pretty damn understandable that she would be scared of what would happen if her head was destroyed which (FYI is probably what would have ended up happening to it), so Celty’s situation is not something that can be easily brushed aside. The Dollars at that point didn’t know what the heck was going on and they just thought of it as a meeting for the members of a BBS, I’ve seen it happen in real life before, they had no idea why they were really called there. Also what are the criteria you use to join a BBS? 1) Popularity 2)Number of members. Also as you had said before “The Dollars consist of hundreds of people, including students, old people and whatnot,” they didn’t expect to get beaten up because they are a part of a popular BBS. The Slasher incident was not Anri’s fault either as she had not taken control of Saika’s children then, or rather the attacks stopped because Anri decided to take action. Did Anri even slash the girl that started the whole incident? Also if you were stuck in Anri’s situation how would you explain to them what happened? How would you be so sure that they would understand? Think about that for a minute. The situation is not so simple as to just say that they had any responsibility in the matter.

  23. pgal says:

    Sorry to interrupt a very interesting debate, but I have a question about what was discussed. What did the novel,in this arc, not have that was in the anime.

  24. Roger says:

    “The Dollars aren’t out of control because they haven’t done anything. If someone doesn’t do anything then how can you say that they are out of control? I’ve stated such in my first post, if you missed it then you weren’t paying attention. You want to ask me why they aren’t out of control but I gonna throw that question back at you, what have the Dollars done that would be considered out of control?”

    I’m gonna try this ONE, LAST TIME. I’m NOT (read the “NOT”) saying that they have done anything to be considered out of control, I have stated over and over against that they AREN’T out of control. Why are they keeping quiet. Was Kadota just completely bluffing his ass off in episode 20.

    “That was in a remote location, where there wasn’t much people who could readily help him. Though you brought up a point that I don’t even think that you noticed. You can also make the argument that Horada wouldn’t have known that the guy was a part of the Dollars if the guy just played dumb.”

    Like I said, I’m pretty sure that’s the bunny suit guy, so denying wouldn’t help (I
    think Tajeguchi denied pretty fiercely that he hadn’t done anything, look where it brougt him. And you’re right, it was in a remote location. It was late, everyone had gone home already. You have no cause to feel guilt about him getting hurt, Mikado.

    He didn’t lock himself in because Anri was safe, he did it because desite the co-operation they’ve shown, they still can’t safe everyone. For every Anri, you can expect at least one of her rescuers to be identified, and get trashed in her place. I can’t say he wasn’t being a coward, but don’t act like a foolproof method to save everyone was so readily available. Continuing on would be accepting that a lot of people would get hositalised on the way, and they don’t when it’ll end because the don’t know what quarrel the YC has with them.

    Anyway, help me out here. Celty cannot be blamed because she wanted her head back, completely understandable, but Mikado doing this top help Celty get her head back OH NO, how dare he not think of the myriad possible consequences. You say that the Dollars didn’t know what the heck was going on, that it was just a meet. Yeah, the meet part is what got everyone in danger, not the whole Mika/Celty thing. We know how Mikado contacts the Dollars, you can easily see that he’s addressing everyone from the adressee address.

    Mikado’s group gotten much larger and famous then anyone could have predicted, should he therefore take responsiblity for every single person that decides to come to a meet up? He’s not the only one that read the news/forums, I presume. You read about gang violence and maffia disputes attributed to your BBS and all that and you still come to meet up, then I think you made a choice.

    I said that the Dollars members range from old to young. Which is true. Which is why I said hundreds, not the hundred something people at the meet up. There are likely a lot more that don’t want to show their faces but if you are right and every member can contact all members then even these people are at risk until the BBS is shut down. Now you go so far as to sign for yet another Dollars at this point, it’s safe to say that you knew the risk. Plenty of people on the original BBS don’t want this.

    There’s the argument that nobody but Mikado knew how many members there are, which is fair, even Izaya was surprised. Though you’d have to admit that the alternate Dollars site idea is bunk then, they can’t address the other members, they don’t access to their numbers.

    I know the Slasher incident isn’t Anri’s fault, but not mentioning it to the leader of Yellow Scarves knowing he is doing exactly because he thinks she had nothing to do with the Slasher doesn’t leave her blameless. I agree that it is a difficult situation to explain. Running in the other direction while leaving said leader of YC only more confused is quite another.

  25. Roger says:

    “Sorry to interrupt a very interesting debate, but I have a question about what was discussed. What did the novel,in this arc, not have that was in the anime.”

    Takeguchi’s attack in 20, everything in 21 and everything in 22 up until Celty taking Anri to Shinra and Shizuo getting shot. Additionally, Walker and Erika’s narration in episode 20 gave a very different explanation as to how the Yellow Scarves came to be instead of the extended Kida flashback in the light novel.

  26. pgal says:

    That’s sad. Most of the scenes that disappointed me came from the non-novel part :-/

  27. Roger says:

    I dunno, I thought the canon bits in 20 were particularly weak too.

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Yep, that's the new KyoAni one. Like Puran I don't have any expectations of it. The premise certainly seems like the closest they have come to breaking out of there usual format but I am sure they will find a way to shove in Moe antics. Though based on what is seen so far it looks like they are trying to emulate Key.
Puran
Is that a new KyoAni anime?.. I have lost faith in them a long time ago. Last Anime from them that I cared about was probably Hyouka
SuperMario
Bring you some news, Violet Evergarden will be aired as an anime TV. Though many sources saying it gonna air this year, it has a better possibility to air next year
SuperMario
Well, aesthetically, he's pretty much on par with Yang and Wong. It's just that his films are often emotionally distant, feel more like watching the paint dry hahaa
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I connect more emotionally with Yang and Wong.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I went in expecting Edward Yang and Kar-wong-wai levels of quality, which may have been quite unfair standards to put him up against.
SuperMario
I myself find his films difficult to watch, but when the films end they usually hold up very very well. Both The Assassin and 3 Times in particular are my favorite of the year
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I completely understand your reaction because his films are demanding as hell. I remembered watching The Assassin in big screen, 3 people next to me fall asleep, one of them snoring and the other one fall asleep within the first 10 mins. That Hou Hsiao's movies for you
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Its such a shame because he makes gorgeous cinema and City of sadness is actually pretty informative account of the times....I just can't jive with him and I actually like "slow cinema" but watching his work is insanity inducingly boring for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: ....I'm really sorry, I don't mind long slow even spiritual, talky, non-narrative, old, complex,meditative , art films but I'm really really finding it hard to watch Hou Hsiao's work, I've tried time to live and the Assassin and I just bailed after 2 out of 3 hours on city of sadness.
KTravlos
I have to say Akko is developing nicely as a character in LWA. Also Magane in Re:Creators reminds me of Hannibal as palyed by Mads Mikkelsen. There is that same est for life married to sociopath that is a bit charming :) Mamika's character is also just cool. Beyond that AofT and Bahamut both delivered competent episodes, with Bahamut a good mix between comedy and tragedy.
K-Off
@Aidan Assault on Arkham was fantastic. Between that and Under the Red Hood, a classic.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I have a lot to say in this week's Eccentric Family. Review will come up later tonight when I get back home from work.
AidanAK47
Seen Assault on Arkham or what it should be called, The animated Suicide Squad movie. Thinking of checking out Dark.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Have you seen assault on Arkham or the justice league dark film?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: It isn't so much because its Talia x Batman, moreso that it feels odd shipping Batman with anyone.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While kind of amusing, initially I wasn't too into Uchouten this week, the hot spring part got me groaning, but then someway through dramatically it really picked up.
Kaiser-Eoghan
From reading comics a few years back, I still feel that they adapt better to animation.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: And I say this as someone who was able to defend Alien 3 and Ressurection.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Covenent felt like an Infantilized version of Alien.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wouldn't call either John Wick film or free fire amazing or anything but they had great fight scenes that were actually visually coherent , of course they weren't given a proper release.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not watching/paying for anymore of these reboots/remakes/shakey cam pg rated action films anymore. I'll stick with my balls to the wall Hong-Kong/Chinese ones.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: It also had really uneven pacing aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: ....The dialogue is so embarassing, they don't do enough with this backstory, they just keep teasing, none of the new characters have the same charisma , the editting in the action scenes shakes all overtheplace.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: I gave Covenent a fair chance, I thought it would be an exception to the reboot thing. I'll admit theres the sets, the atmosphere, Fassbenders performance , the idea to expand on the franchises mythos is cool but....
Kaiser-Eoghan
It really really hurts as a film fan, trying to find older, genuinely quality foreign films , finding that no-one is seeding them and theres no proper/in print dvd release anymore. Then finding some awful shakey cam modern American superhero film with billions of seeds and a bluray release.
AidanAK47
@K-Off, I don't know. Todd was more the imperfect son always aiming for batmans approval. Damian is more an assasin wondering why the hell he can't just kill his enemies. I hear that Comic Damian works better than Animated Damian. I do think that if given a personality he could work but as he is currently you are right that he's essentially a mishmash of past robins.
Vonter
I watched Alien Covenant and I don't know if it improves by being more dumb and less pretentious or if it os the final nail in the Alien franchise coffin. Not since the StarWats prequels there has been a retcon that changes your view of the original movies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can recall enjoying a certain Jason Todd centered story called Batman:death in the family.
K-Off
Well, even when Damian does completely cross the line and become a villain, he's not even that interesting, i.e Injustice. Yup, Jason Todd already covered everything, but better.
AidanAK47
Problem is that he's an edge lord cocky piece of shit that just doesn't have enough likeable traits for this to be compelling. What really pushed him over the edge was mocking Nightwing over his parents deaths. That shit is not on.
AidanAK47
@K-Off, I like the contrast that Batman refuses to cross the line and kill but Damian has crossed that line. As well as his potentail to become a villain. Tim and Dick didn't really have that though Jason sort of did. Damian's arc is more about teaching him the morality of a hero.
K-Off
@Aidan I'm not sure I like Damian's concept to begin with. The Bat-son dilemma's inherently addressed by the Robins for all intents and purposes. Damian just goes through the same motion, only difference being he's biologically related.
K-Off
Yup. Wonderwoman either doesn't need to have a love interest, or it needs to be with Steve Trevor, the two have a solid backstory that the movies unnecessarily removed.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, I don't mind the Taila X batman pairing. Makes more sense than Batman and Batgirl. But if there's one pairing pushed in the new movies that I just find wrong is the Superman X wonder woman. I just don't get that one.
AidanAK47
@K-Off, I like the concept of Damian as a character. But it's executed so badly.
Anonymous1105941
Teen titans needs one more season to wrap up all the loose ends. Such as what happens to Slade, and Blackfires revenge. The creators clearly wanted to explore those plot lines but got cut short.
K-Off
Teen Titans hasn't aged very well, but one thing I still do like about it is how contained and local the setting and cast were for the first half of that show. When godly superpowers are involved, that appeals to me. Much of the same reason why I like Logan and Raimi's Spiderman so much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Very rarely watched teen titans when I was younger, I was vaguely interested in slade, stopped watching around when Terra appeared. I actively avoided comics where Damien appeared, never liked that Talia x Batman pairing much, I can only imagine how much worse it is to listen to Damien than read him.
K-Off
@Aidan, I like some aspects of those movies, but I'm not a big fan of the new continuity and art style in general...and yeah it doesn't help that Damian is irredeemably unlikable.
AidanAK47
@K-Off, There is also the DC animated Teen Titans movies like Teen Titans vs Justice Leage and Teen titans the Judus contract. Though it's not the same as the the TV series and Damian is such a dick.
K-Off
@Anon I don't think Teen Titans needs another season. The last season wasn't that good, but the movie ended the series on a high note and Young Justice pretty much rebooted everything, at least in terms of replacing people's want for a more mature DC cartoon about the Titans.
K-Off
Yeah it's become more of a hassel (for myself and my friends) to set aside time to go to a theater.
SuperMario
I guess in the end it all comes down to how easily it reaches the viewers. Give us a hard time and we don't give a damn to check the new movie/show out
SuperMario
... otherwise have to wait for a year, even more before it reaches Australia. But many companies will raise in the wake of Netflix and that will be where problems arise
SuperMario
This trend isn't happening within the anime industry, but it's happening in the movie world as well. In the past 2 years, Netflix starts to exclusively distribute many films, meaning that they won't have theatrical release, but straight to Video on Demand which caused quite a stir in the industry. Personally, I actually don't have much problem with it as now I will get a chance to see a film that
SuperMario
Dive!! , a series that will air next season on noitaminA slot will stream exclusively on Amazon Prime Video. Not that I'm eagerly looking forward to Dive, but that news again makes me frustrated. No one will watch it and then all the hypes it might have will die down eventually.
Anonymous1105394
Considering I didn't even expect a season 5 it's more than I could've evr wanted. Now if only if only Teen Titans could get the same chance.
Lenlo
Oh yeah, it turned out well. Didnt mean to say it didnt.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, Considering that the ratio of great to alright episodes is 8 to 2 I say that it turned out pretty well.
Lenlo
I have to say, the Samurai Jack season started stronger than it ended imo
AidanAK47
So this is how Samurai Jack ends. 16 years in the making. Honestly considering how much needed to get wrapped up I knew the ending would be a bit flawed. Really think Gen should have givin it one more episode to flesh out the ending and then it wouldn't feel so rushed. Overall despite it's flaws, it's a decent ending. Not prefect by any means but it will do the job.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lol theres a surprise, seriously, Black Lagoons manga is updating again.
KTravlos
worst recap ever for me? Gangsta. That was a stupid recap episode. Really like a Public Announcement. Useless, stupid, and ruining atmosphere. Utter stupidity. There I got it our of me :p
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: Unfortunately too far behind in the sequel manga to catch up, I did take a look at THAT in the latest chapter though.
Masky
Huh, for some reason thought Tokyo Ghoul was under shonen when its seinen. Welp now that makes more sense, I was thinking story about cannibalism would be kinda absurd for shonen.
Spike
They serve no purpose except to fill airtime when production gets fucked up. They have 2 bad choices - run a recap or run an unfinished episode. Recap is generally the less dogshit choice. I've seen a few anime that ran the episodes with unfinished animations and still frames.... the backlash was about 100x what a recap is.
SuperMario
I'm about to say that to you as well Kaiser, maybe watch the recap and then continue on. The only thing I kind of take from the recap episode is the editting: how they chop off the fat of 6 episodes to still give you important developments. But as a way to catch up/ to reintroduce the series, it's freaking useless
Anonymous1104087
I don't think anyone should start from the recap episode. Unless there was a long hiatus, a recap in between episodes is unnecessary for new viewers and old
Lenlo
I mean, aside from whatever happens with Mugaro.
Lenlo
Next episode seems early, out of 24 episodes, for Nina to learn the Prince is Chris, yet that seems to be what the confrontation is leading towards, and then she freaks out and he learns shes the dragon. Becomes the conflict for the rest of the season?
Lenlo
Seems I was right, Azazel didnt predict that Nina might not be so easily riled up as she once was. To bad so sad Azazel, she has someone she loves now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
How useful are these recap episodes anyway/actually? Hypothetically lets say I was feeling lazy and decided to watch tsuki ga kirei starting from the recap episode.
Kaiser-Eoghan
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http://anilinkz.io/blame-movie"]
Lenlo
So long as there are consequences for how hes acting, then I am ok with it. I just dont want him to turn into some MC hero when hes acting like this.
AidanAK47
And in Re:Creators Sota is still being a goddamn pussy. Now that the exposition has gone down I am really starting to hate this kid.
SuperMario
It's the presentation that they differ. Ghost Hound focuses more on the atmosphere, so those details I mentioned before work for their benefits; whereas Sagrada Reset focus on plots (and confusing themes) so those stick out like sore thumb.
SuperMario
4 episodes into Ghost Hound so far. This show also reminds me a bit of Sagrada Reset this season- the way they both emotional distant, complex plots; keep viewers away at arm's length, and feature characters that have robotic facial expressions. Yet I enjoyed Ghost Hound so far and couldn't engage in Sagrada Reset at all.
SuperMario
@Spike: I was like... "tsuki ga kirei has a recap episode, so let's move on to Kado"... another recap. Tsuki ga kirei I'm not too worry as it confirmed that it'll have 12 episodes, but I'm not confident on Kado
SuperMario
@lenlo: in a sense you have to suffer it all alone. No worries thou as I intend to binge watch it when this season's over
Spike
Kado team crumbled under the pressure. Recap this week.
Lenlo
@SuperMario, im happy I dont have to compete with anyone to cover Berserk :P Got it all to myself to whine about, though its been ever so slowly improving.
Anonymous1100725
Ranka is ranka in any verse.
Anonymous1100725
Bahmut no spoilers. Ranka Lee. She just doesn't get it so everyone dies. As she stands around wondering.
SuperMario
In fact, Okja will play in the Sydney film festival next month, but seeing that it will stream in Netflix at the end of June I think it's best to wait until then
SuperMario
@Kaiser: great, I'm super hyped to watch Okja. Always enjoy Boon's movies. The critic's reviews from Cannes on Okja should come up soon I believe.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I watched Lain many times over as well but I'm sure that I didn't pick up everything. That show required multiple-viewing anyways.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Good news, netflix will stream Okja at the end of this June.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Its not often that I rewatch things, but years ago I've seen Lain at least three times, its also one of those few anime series where I felt to look up deeper analysis into it. It had a tremendous atmosphere and was ahead of its time.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: watching Ghost Hound made me want to revisit Serial Experiment Lain and give my episodic thoughts on that. Not gonna happen soon as I have my hand full right now but I swear I'll get to that one day.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I actually am planning to rewatch ghost hound soon, so I'll give you my new thoughts on it then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I always avoided Altair mostly based on it being a shounen action series. Kakeguruis premise involves gambling games, which I don't find interesting.
KTravlos
Kakegurui is on my list. I thought it would be crap (terrible setting etc), but the manga won me over. Princess Principal will be given a chance, so will Shoukouko no Altair.and perhaps Reflection. We shall see. Also Twilight Axis Gundam, as I love the manga team.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Recap episodes exist because of production troubles. Sometimes shit happens when you make an anime.
You are being a bit overally argressive but I do agree with the statement that Ntr is pathetic power fantasy. It really is.
Anonymous1099236
Ntr is a pathetic power fantasy for pathetic people
Anonymous1099236
Why the hell do recap episodes exist. Do they think we're that autistic
SuperMario
I honestly don't even what NTR is so I had to look it up. Interesting
SuperMario
Just a quick remaider that Tsuki ga Kirei has a recap episode this week. And yep, after watching this week's Sakura Quest I think I'm gonna stick with it
SuperMario
Flipping through the list, I'm also pretty know what I'm interested in, most of them are original anime, which is a plus
SuperMario
@Aidan: I'm still amazed that us never have to fight over covering shows, except for that one time with Flip Flappers. Always thought that crappy tastes are the same
Kaiser-Eoghan
*Those two comments were refering to NTR trap
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would really genuinely like to see some of these smut manga actually functionally use fanservice and romantic sex scenes rather than just cheap titilattion
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Poorly done ragey drama with bad comedy bits , I've reached a point with it where I no longer want my time wasted by it.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I admit to having passing interest in Princess Principal but not enough to fight you over it.
And Tsurezure Children is actually really really good. Really fluffy love stories with great comedy.
SuperMario
haha, even me who love slice-of-life won't fall for Tsurezure Children
SuperMario
@Aidan: Princess Principal
SuperMario
@Kaiser: The character designs on Centaur kind of weirds me out though
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Ugh...that one. Imagine a discount scums wish and you get the general idea.
AidanAK47
Mate if you are talking about Fate then let me say there is no way in hell I am not covering that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
NTR as the title of an anime? How shameless.
AidanAK47
@Mario,....Tsurezure Children?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised by centaur no nanami's manga. Actually cares about its setting and genuinely charming characters.
SuperMario
@Aidan: and this time there is 1 show we might both want to cover ^^
AidanAK47
I will have to start writing up that preview for this. I think it's pretty obvious what I am looking forward the most to watching.
AidanAK47
Links generally work with text if you place them at the end of it. Like so:
http://anichart.net/Summer-2017
Kaiser-Eoghan
[link src="http://anichart.net/Summer-2017
I....I"] might at least try the Vatican kiseki one and centaur no nanami...
AidanAK47
@Anon, Don't believe Clickbait. This is all based on a quote from the author thanking the animation studio and hoping for an opportunity to work with them in the future. What this confirms is that there is no plans for a season 3...yet. Could very well happen in the future. What this confirms is that it ain't happening any time soon.
Puran
Natsume is killing it this season.
Anonymous1094513
RIP Konosuba. Season 3 confirmed to not happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PvOmsKjcJU.
Lenlo
Im not sure what they are even saying.
Anonymous1092432
lmao Anon 250 got rekt
AidanAK47
Normally I would delete openly offensive posts but seeing as these don't make enough sense to be offensive I will give them a free pass.
AidanAK47
No idea who this Adnan guy is but if he watches gay porn then so what?
Anonymous1092250
adnan watches gay porn
Anonymous1092250
people who watch one piece are just watching gay porn
Anonymous1092250
one piece of shit
SuperMario
Hey, do you guys know about wanna cry ransomware? how's the heck that I just aware of its existence today? Scary@@
Lenlo
Haha will do, but im not gonna compete outside a local, maybe regional level, not anymore. I mostly want to get back into my old shape after 2 years of letting it lapse.
SuperMario
Oh, congrats. Used to play sport in competitive level myself (tennis), but now I feel like an old big fat geezer now haha. Keep me updated on your Fencing as it might motivate me to join sooner ^^
Lenlo
Dont even have to work out to do Fencing, you can just go for fun once a week. Im just trying to get back into competitive shape now that I have my degree
SuperMario
I'm not really big on workin out though; my housemate just keeps asking to join gyming but I always back out, haha. Although I'm okay with running and I'm doing yoga like 4 times a week
Lenlo
Cool. And definitely, give Fencing a try, find your local gym.
SuperMario
When you feel sore it just means it's working, so all good haha. I'm still pretty much interested in try Fencing one day btw. About Uchouten, it's about a bunch of tanuki in human shape wander around and having fun (I'm not serious btw). I think the forst episode of the first season can tell you exactly the tone of the show, so you can watch that episode to see if it's your thing
Lenlo
I both love and hate the post-workout aches. Its what I get for trying to get back into Fencing shape.

Whats Uchouten about?
SuperMario
My love is blind, Kaiser. When I love a show I tend to go overboard with it ^^
Kaiser-Eoghan
I’d forgotten how fun these characters are, although some of the novelty, charm, humour has worn off, it is still there and I’m beginning to re-remember while watching.
I do hope though that they’ll do more with Kaisei and Bonten however.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Annnnd thank you Mario again for your reviews tempting me to watch a show.
I was hesitant sitting down to watch season 2 of Uchouten Kazoku because it had been so long since I saw the original.
I caught up, Nidaime and Tenyama got my attention most, standout scenes were the shogi match and the second half of episode inside the painting, the bits between Yaichiro and that girl.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Honestly I could never do the sleeping on the back thing, thats largely because I heard that it increases the risk of sleep paralysis/apnea.
SuperMario
WHY PROTECTING THEM THEN?
SuperMario
You know that human is the only mammal/race that sleep on their back?
KTravlos
hahaha
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