Posted by psgels on 12 June 2010 with categories: Durarara



I think that I can finally point to what exactly I’ve been disliking about this series during the second half: it’s Kida. In this episode I actually quite liked Mikado and Anri, and their actions are quite believable. Anri had a bit of a slump at the end of her own arc, but even that was great as a build-up. I loved how in this episode she came to terms with herself, and how she finally developed. It’s here where all that build-up pays off. At the same time, Mikado was also quite interesting. I can believe his angst at the end of the episode, because hey; he just found out that one of his best friend became involved with some silly struggle that he was the indirect initiator of. The guy needs a bit of time alone.

Kida though… I don’t get him. His angst to protect those dear to him, combined with the way that he suddenly started yelling to Anri when he finally was able to talk to her under two eyes… I’m not really interested in that to be honest. For me, the parts of this series that focus on his angst are by far my least favourite of the entire series.

And it’s a darn shame, because the rest of this series really is excellent. It still sucks that it’s gonna end in two episodes, but this episode was well written, and one of those episodes in which a ton of build-up comes together and pays off. That really was great to see, and I loved the subtlety that the creators put into the development of the relationship between Celty, Anri and Mikado.
Rating: ** (Excellent)

28 Responses

  1. c160 says:

    Yes,I think Kida’s whole angst thing really made the show a bit of a drag to watch sometimes.Seriously,that Kida in the rain thing in this episode made me laugh more than anything..

    And Mikado’s decision to disband Dollars was really O.o How did he came up with that decision??I mean things went smoothly,and I thought he would probably utilize Dollars to the max but instead he went around wanting it to disappear..

  2. Elkin says:

    If it’s any relief to you, the scene where Kida meets up with Anri was not in the original novel. Kida has never raised a hand against Anri… or even raised his voice for that matter.

    A lot of novel fans are disappointed at the decision, but let’s hope they pull it off.

  3. Roger says:

    Hey, someone that completely understands Mikado. You can tell me, why does Mikado, quite seperate from the Dollars thing, decide to not anwer his cell when his best friend for years, who had gone missing for like a week, decides to call him? I though that was just a DEM for drama purposes.

  4. psgels psgels says:

    I think that it’s this point at which Mikado realizes that things have gotten out of hand, when one of his best friends became involved. It’s not like he disbanded it for good, but I think it was also an attempt to distantiate himself from the dollars.

    My guess is that he never even looked at the phone, and just assumed that it was the dollars who kept bugging him to ask what’s up.

  5. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @psgels
    Psgels .. in your own words .. you said that

    “he just found out that one of his best friend became involved with some silly struggle that he was the indirect initiator of. The guy needs a bit of time alone.”

    Ok .. so Mikado’s angst is fine cause he thinks Anri got involved because of him … but Kida’s angst isn’t .. how is that !!! .. let me explain.

    Actually it should be the other way around … Kida is already burdened with the guilt of what happened to that girl in the past (the blue squares incident) … he blames himself not only for getting her involved but also for not being able to rush to her rescue when she needed him the most .. and due to all that the girl suffered a very painful ordeal and ended up hospitalized and almost paralyzed.

    Now Kida sees Anri being involved .. it is extremely and totally natural for his guilt to kick in and his emotions to get stirred up considering what happened before .. he will do anything for it not to happen again … he has every right to act a little angesty .. not only that .. but using your own words .. Mikado was “indirect intiatior” of the struggle .. Kida on the other hand was directly involved in what happened with the blue sqaures and also with the current events unlike Mikado.

    On the other hand .. Mikado !!! .. i don’t see any reason for him to act angsty compared to the reasons Kida has (Which are extremely valid and reasonable specially with Izaya Orihara manipulating his feelings and keeping his past guilt alive and well) .. heck he is still a kid after all .. that’s to much pressure for him.

    I don’t see how can anyone get it the other way around !!?

  6. Roger says:

    We see him stare at the cellphone and get icture of the handle with “Kida Masaomi”, at which point Mikado rolls over.

  7. psgels psgels says:

    Hmm, I guess it’s the way in which mikado’s angst is evolving; there’s progress in his character and he feels rather dynaimic, while I have much less sympathty for Kida, who feels to me like he still hasn’t gone anywhere.

    That, and I feel like the way in which Kida reliefs his angst is far more annoying than Mikado’s.

  8. pgal says:

    I’m annoyed by both Kida and Mikado. They are so focused on their own problems, that they are ignoring everyone else who are getting into trouble.
    Kida walked past the yellow gang while they were beating someone and did nothing! Mikado used the dollars successfully to save Anri, and still disbanded the dollars before he could save someone else
    When will they realize that its not just about them anymore

  9. Hopeh-wa says:

    Sh…Shizzy-chan.

    Alkajsdlfkjaslj.

    There. Don’t think I can say much more coherent than that, and any other good points about this episode have already been stated by all the rest of you.

    I think I’ll go bury my head in the sand about Shizuo, now. ;___;

  10. Chan says:

    The Dollars are not out of Mikado’s hand, in fact they were never out of control to begin with. The problem is that Izaya wants Mikado to think that the Dollars are out of control, and Mikado is believing him despite the fact that there is no evidence to prove him right.

    Also again with the conversations, pay attention to what Kida was saying when he was yelling at Anri. Kida actually has more of a reason to be angsty than Mikado.Consider this 1)Kida knows that Mikado is the leader of the Dollars
    2)Kida has no control over the Yellow Scarves, who are blatantly ignoring his orders
    3)Said Yellow Scarves want to start a gang war with the Dollars(even though the Dollars could actually destroy them if they tried).
    4)Kida already has a bad experience with the Yellow Scarves and with gang wars
    5)Kida only became the leader of the Yellow Scarves in order to protect Mikado and Anri, who don’t need his protection, and are actually involved in this.
    6)If the Yellow Scarves find out about Kida’s relationship with the leader of the Dollars and the slashers they will turn on him and Kida knows this.

    Compare this with Mikado
    1)Mikado thinks the Dollars are out of control they aren’t and this episode only proved that.
    2)Mikado knows that the Dollars members are being attacked and that the other Dollars members have formed a kind of task force to take care of it(they actually did say this episode that it has been working).
    3)Mikado has been monitoring the Dollars so he should have been able to tell that Izaya was spewing bullshit.
    4)Mikado shut down the Dollars chat room but for what purpose did it serve? It only took away the one thing that the Dollars members had used to fight against the Yellow Scarves attacks.
    5)Unlike the Yellow Scarves the Dollars actually do listen to Mikado, and they generally don’t do bad things – except for the Yellow Scarves members that are also Dollars members.
    6)He doesn’t know that Kida is the leader of the Yellow Scarves, or Anri’s own involvement in the situation.

    In this case you could pretty much say that Mikado is the one running away from a non-existent problem, instead of doing his own investigation he’s just relying on the words of someone who has been warned against by his own best friend. He shuts down the Dollars website after its members basically proved themselves to be loyal and well intentioned. He then shuts himself away from the world and from his problems which if he paid attention more he would realize that there are actually less of that he thought was there before. Mikado is less justified in angsty behavior than Kida. Though this was just an inclusion in the anime the Mikado in the novel didn’t run away from his problems.

  11. Hunter-Wolf says:

    @chan

    Well said .. i feel Mikado is turning into another Shinji Ikari (with the whole shutting himself out without trying to solve things) .. yeah .. i just watched “EVA – you can (not) advance” .. pretty awesome movie (production wise).. and Shinji still gets on my nerves .. but even he had more real reasons to panic and go angst than Mikado.

  12. Roger says:

    In Mikado’s defense, why the hell aren’t the Dollars out of control? what happened to the bad members of Dollars? The Dollars became famous because Izaya leaked the password, all kinds of thugs got in on it, the original members save Mikado all left and eventually the minority of new good members on Mikado’s suggestion tried to restore it’s name through community service. I mean, by episode 11 the good outweighted the bad because half of Tokyo had signed up by now but now it looks like there aren’t ANY bad guys in Dollars just to make it a black and white situation with the Yellow Scarves.

  13. Chan says:

    @Roger
    Did we watch the same episode? or even the same series. The Dollars as a whole are not out of control it is just certain members, who in this case also belong to the Yellow Scarves that are out of control. The majority of the Dollars members are not out of control.

    Yeah sure Izaya leaked the password but where are the thugs? Where are the actual members causing trouble? Remember there are also police officers in the Dollars as well, not just thugs. The problem with what you’re saying is that your taking into account the fact that the Dollars are not really a gang. What one member individually does not speak for the entire group. In fact Mikado is not really the leader of the Dollars or to be more specific their structure is such that there is no leader. Mikado of all people should know this (though this could be and example of adaptation decay as the novel Mikado was rather anvilicious in repeating this fact). If there is a problem with a member then he would have to deal with that member individually, not the group as a whole, such is the structure of the Dollars.

    While there are many powerful members in the Dollars besides Izaya and the Yellow Scarves members who are also Dollars members, the Dollars don’t cause any trouble. Or rather they avoid causing trouble. Mikado has been lurking on their BBS so he should have been able to figure it out. Oh and by the way it was stated that the other founders had left, not the original members themselves. So they’re still there, but it still does speak in droves how cowardly Mikado is behaving.

  14. Roger says:

    I know, that’s my problem. I’m genuinely asking where these thugs are. They disappeared as soon as they were inconvenient to the story, the reason why Mikado is the sole leader of the Dollars without anyone helping him manage them has been retconned but he’s still in that position. His actions in this situation don’t make sense, imagine that.

    And they may not be an actual gang, but they are targetted as an actual gang, that’s the whole problem. They are being targetted as a group for reasons they dunno, but you can bet there are plenty of members angry and plenty of members in Yellow Scarves reading the message boards. Closing the BBS isn’t an immeadiate solution to their problem, but longterm less people maybe hurt.

    And it’s not adaptation decay, it’s adaptation expansion. By which I mean, none of this **** happened in the light novels. After Celty picks up Anri at the Yellow Scarves hide-out they go straight to Shinra, Shizuo gets gunned down the same day Kida visits Izaya and Kadota and the next episode is looking to be 50% filler as well. Kida doesn’t attend school to feel out Mikado, he never finds out anything about Anri until Mikado does, and so on.

  15. Chan says:

    @Roger
    The thugs were never really there. Most of those cases were just people claiming to be Dollars members (like in the second episode) but were actually not Dollars members. There are many people who pretend to be Dollars members, but are actually not members at all. Also Mikado is not the leader of the Dollars just its founder- they’ve said that many a time before. If you actually are a member of a message board think of it like the relationship between the posters and the BBS administrator. People listen to what the administrator says but they are not obligated to follow. There wasn’t any retcon going on there.

    The “gang war” was something mostly started by Izaya and Horada. Izaya wants people to think of the Dollars as a gang and has manipulated things to make it appear as such. But in reality they are not a gang. The Dollars also know that they are being targeted, and they have created an effective way to fight back without actually fighting, which Mikado stupidly took away from them. Not only that but it didn’t solve a single problem as the attacks continue even after Mikado shut down the site. Also if someone wanted to they could just create another Dollars website invite all the people who used to be members before and then continue on without Mikado, so in the long run its still pretty ineffectual.

    Well whether or not it will become an adaptation decay will depend on how the story ends. Though in the case of Mikado there is borderline flanderization, as the Mikado in the novel is not someone who even thought of closing the website, or hung on Izaya’s every word, or shut himself off from the world when the going got tough. When Izaya told Mikado that the Dollars were out of control in the novel Mikado decided to do his own research to find out whether or not what Izaya said was true and it wasn’t. It was just individual members who were a problem not everyone on the BBS.

  16. Roger says:

    I dunno, I know that some of it was done by peole pretending to be Dollars, but I’m pretty sure Izaya outright said that he was the one that leaked the password, so some of these people actually were Dollars (in that they gained access to the website).

    I don’t think those dozen guys that helped Mikado found the Dollars would punk out if their forum was as serene as always. If Mikado is being flanderized here for not noticing that what’s being said in the Dollars chats have nothing to do with violent acts now then why not back then.

    Anyway, Mikado is not the leader, but he is the guy that makes these decisions. He’s the only one that can pull the plug and the longer the info on the Dollars chats is available to everyone including the ones that are Yellow scarves the better. And I dunno what you mean by this countermeasure. Simon pwned some people that wear yellow, doesn’t need a cellphone for that, the bunny suit guy still got the trash beaten out of him, his cellphone wouldn’t have helped him either.

    And you say that someone else can start another site, so it’s ineffectual: The Dollars consist of hundreds of people, including students, old people and whatnot. At least this way you ain’t gettin beaten up just because you jokingly accepted an invite two years ago. If you accept in invite to the new Dollars with news of Dollars getting beaten up everyday on the tv you at least know what you are getting into. Not that I know how the YC actually knew that Takeguchi is a Dollars. But apparantly they did, so yeah.

  17. kiyosuke says:

    masaomi is irresponsible for just playing around with the openly violent group in the series. and pardon my french, but i don’t see anything besides garden variety emofaggotry in what he’s been doing.

    the writers are gonna have to pull a rabbit the size of anri-chan out of a hat to do something about kida.

    that being said, i’m still hooked. can’t wait to see the ending.

  18. Chan says:

    All the trouble makers that have been shown so far that weren’t a part of the Yellow Scarves were not Dollars members. Remember the whole reason why Mikado thinks that the Dollars were out of control was because he was talking to Izaya who lied between his teeth in order to manipulate him. Remember Mikado was previously living living in a remote place so he had no idea at that time whether or not what Izaya said through the chat room was true or not. We don’t know who Izaya gave the password to but we do know that besides the members who are also Yellow Scarves are the ones causing trouble the Dollars are a pretty quiet.

    In this case the members are upset with Mikado for basically running around in circles. It was shown as much in the previous episode. And yeah Mikado is being flanderized here for not noticing that what Izaya is saying does not match up with what he is witnessing. The Mikado in the novel didn’t listen to Izaya when he gave the warning, in fact when Izaya claimed the Dollars were out of control Mikado in the novel then sought to get rid of the members who were causing trouble. In the novel Mikado says over and over again that he feels responsible for the Dollars because he helped found it. Mikado also did promise to himself to that he would deal with the problems caused by Dollars a promise which he has actually kept in the original novel and broken in the anime.

    Mikado is not the leader he doesn’t even make the decisions for the members. He can merely suggest that they do something, and the members are free to ignore him. In other words the Dollars members make their own decisions.

    Lets get one thing straight here the Bunny suit guy never got beat up, and Simon didn’t beat up the Yellow Scarves members, they just deterred them. Also there are much more people in the Dollars that are not Yellow Scarves than there are are Yellow Scarves. It was even shown in this episode that even though they can read the message board things happen in such quick succession that they won’t be able to follow them. So it was still a pretty effective procedure that Mikado ruined when he decided to run away. Also someone still got beat up for being a Dollars member at the end so we can pretty much see that the BBS is not the problem. Remember there are Dollars members who are also police officers, so it was safer for him to keep the website up, as it could have lead to the arrest of the Yellow Scarves members who were behaving violently. This would have in turn served as a deterrent for the other members to follow Horada. As they would be targeted by the police.

    Is it really ineffectual? You do realize how easy it for another another person to start up a website, or BBS don’t you? They can use the same mailing list from the previous Dollars website to invite the same members on to the new site. Also the people who were targeted were the ones who attended the meeting in episode 11 so you could say that it is essentially Mikado’s fault why these people’s identity as Dollars members were known by the Yellow Scarves, they said in the previous episode how they knew who the members were. It is Mikado’s fault why those people were able to be attacked in the first place, and now he takes away the one thing that could put a stop to it. So in the end Mikado is still in the wrong.

  19. Roger says:

    I like I said, I dunno. I suppose Izaya could have been and just made a whole bunch of accounts himself that claim they did the things people pretending to be Dollars that Mikado and co saw on the news but it just seems like pretty roundabout plot point that only serves to undermind the things Mikado did in his flashbacks in episode 11.

    And what is this countermeasure, you say it was effective and it is the one thing that can stop the, what is this method then? Maybe I was mistaken about whether it was the bunnysuit guy but all the same, episode 22 ended to same as episode 20. Dollars guy being beat up alone and helpless.

    And you are seriously gonna say that is Mikado fault for what happened six months ago, before the Yellow Scarves had any squarrel with the Dollars? Seriously?

  20. Chan says:

    So how can you say “the Dollars are out of control” when they have never shown that to be true? Izaya is a liar, and he was lying to Mikado who should have known better considering all the evidence was pointing to the fact that Izaya was just spewing BS.

    You saw the method in this episode, their are more Dollars members than there are Yellow Scarves. Not only that but they can get around places easier than the Yellow Scarves because of they aren’t a gang. This episode ended the same because Mikado shut down the BBS which they were using to fight back. It ended the same it was because it was Mikado’s fault, he shut down the BBS but what difference did it make? The bunny suit guy never got beat up they stole his cell phone but he never got beat up because they were losing sight of Anri.

    Yes it is his fault, considering that he was the one who called for the meeting six months ago, the very same meeting which made many of the Dollars members lose their anonymity. The Yellow Scarves members did say that they were attacking whoever attended the event, because they were Dollars members. How do you think they know that Shizou, and Simon are Dollars members?

  21. Roger says:

    I DIDN’T SAY THEY WERE OUT OF CONTROL! Look at the post! I was ASKING WHY they weren’t out of control, at least to some degree, as opposed to the unambigious Lawful Good orginisation they are now. Anyway, I’m not denying that Izaya is lying NOW (seriously read the post you reply too), I’m talking about episode 11.

    http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/9915/bunnysuitguy.jpg

    I can’t say for sure whether his guy is the bunny suit guy, but he looks an awful lot like him. Did whatever countermeasure the Dollars thought up help him (mind you this is before Mikado shuts the site down)? Nope.

    Anyway it’s Mikado fault for calling the meeting, Celty’s fault for not realizing she didn’t need a head a little sooner, all the Dollars fault for showing up despite people like Ryo joining because they thought it cool that they were colorless AND AS YOU SAY, Mikado is no leader, everybody makes damn decision and can take responsiblity for said decisions, it’s Anri’s fault for hiding her true identity to the last from her friends, it’s Mikado and Kida’s fault for using their orginisations to go after the Slasher or it’s Izayas fault for manipulating all the above into happening. Take your pick.

  22. Chan says:

    The Dollars aren’t out of control because they haven’t done anything. If someone doesn’t do anything then how can you say that they are out of control? I’ve stated such in my first post, if you missed it then you weren’t paying attention. You want to ask me why they aren’t out of control but I gonna throw that question back at you, what have the Dollars done that would be considered out of control?

    That was in a remote location, where there wasn’t much people who could readily help him. Though you brought up a point that I don’t even think that you noticed. You can also make the argument that Horada wouldn’t have known that the guy was a part of the Dollars if the guy just played dumb.

    It was Mikado who sprung the Dollars into action in this episode in order to save Anri, but he has never done anything when the members of the Dollars were attacked. He used them without a second thought and once their use was over he abandoned them again, and locked himself up in his room while refusing to contact others. That is pretty damn selfish.

    Actually even if Kida didn’t join the Yellow Scarves they probably have been even more out of control than they are right now. Celty’s life might very well be connected to her head, so it was pretty damn understandable that she would be scared of what would happen if her head was destroyed which (FYI is probably what would have ended up happening to it), so Celty’s situation is not something that can be easily brushed aside. The Dollars at that point didn’t know what the heck was going on and they just thought of it as a meeting for the members of a BBS, I’ve seen it happen in real life before, they had no idea why they were really called there. Also what are the criteria you use to join a BBS? 1) Popularity 2)Number of members. Also as you had said before “The Dollars consist of hundreds of people, including students, old people and whatnot,” they didn’t expect to get beaten up because they are a part of a popular BBS. The Slasher incident was not Anri’s fault either as she had not taken control of Saika’s children then, or rather the attacks stopped because Anri decided to take action. Did Anri even slash the girl that started the whole incident? Also if you were stuck in Anri’s situation how would you explain to them what happened? How would you be so sure that they would understand? Think about that for a minute. The situation is not so simple as to just say that they had any responsibility in the matter.

  23. pgal says:

    Sorry to interrupt a very interesting debate, but I have a question about what was discussed. What did the novel,in this arc, not have that was in the anime.

  24. Roger says:

    “The Dollars aren’t out of control because they haven’t done anything. If someone doesn’t do anything then how can you say that they are out of control? I’ve stated such in my first post, if you missed it then you weren’t paying attention. You want to ask me why they aren’t out of control but I gonna throw that question back at you, what have the Dollars done that would be considered out of control?”

    I’m gonna try this ONE, LAST TIME. I’m NOT (read the “NOT”) saying that they have done anything to be considered out of control, I have stated over and over against that they AREN’T out of control. Why are they keeping quiet. Was Kadota just completely bluffing his ass off in episode 20.

    “That was in a remote location, where there wasn’t much people who could readily help him. Though you brought up a point that I don’t even think that you noticed. You can also make the argument that Horada wouldn’t have known that the guy was a part of the Dollars if the guy just played dumb.”

    Like I said, I’m pretty sure that’s the bunny suit guy, so denying wouldn’t help (I
    think Tajeguchi denied pretty fiercely that he hadn’t done anything, look where it brougt him. And you’re right, it was in a remote location. It was late, everyone had gone home already. You have no cause to feel guilt about him getting hurt, Mikado.

    He didn’t lock himself in because Anri was safe, he did it because desite the co-operation they’ve shown, they still can’t safe everyone. For every Anri, you can expect at least one of her rescuers to be identified, and get trashed in her place. I can’t say he wasn’t being a coward, but don’t act like a foolproof method to save everyone was so readily available. Continuing on would be accepting that a lot of people would get hositalised on the way, and they don’t when it’ll end because the don’t know what quarrel the YC has with them.

    Anyway, help me out here. Celty cannot be blamed because she wanted her head back, completely understandable, but Mikado doing this top help Celty get her head back OH NO, how dare he not think of the myriad possible consequences. You say that the Dollars didn’t know what the heck was going on, that it was just a meet. Yeah, the meet part is what got everyone in danger, not the whole Mika/Celty thing. We know how Mikado contacts the Dollars, you can easily see that he’s addressing everyone from the adressee address.

    Mikado’s group gotten much larger and famous then anyone could have predicted, should he therefore take responsiblity for every single person that decides to come to a meet up? He’s not the only one that read the news/forums, I presume. You read about gang violence and maffia disputes attributed to your BBS and all that and you still come to meet up, then I think you made a choice.

    I said that the Dollars members range from old to young. Which is true. Which is why I said hundreds, not the hundred something people at the meet up. There are likely a lot more that don’t want to show their faces but if you are right and every member can contact all members then even these people are at risk until the BBS is shut down. Now you go so far as to sign for yet another Dollars at this point, it’s safe to say that you knew the risk. Plenty of people on the original BBS don’t want this.

    There’s the argument that nobody but Mikado knew how many members there are, which is fair, even Izaya was surprised. Though you’d have to admit that the alternate Dollars site idea is bunk then, they can’t address the other members, they don’t access to their numbers.

    I know the Slasher incident isn’t Anri’s fault, but not mentioning it to the leader of Yellow Scarves knowing he is doing exactly because he thinks she had nothing to do with the Slasher doesn’t leave her blameless. I agree that it is a difficult situation to explain. Running in the other direction while leaving said leader of YC only more confused is quite another.

  25. Roger says:

    “Sorry to interrupt a very interesting debate, but I have a question about what was discussed. What did the novel,in this arc, not have that was in the anime.”

    Takeguchi’s attack in 20, everything in 21 and everything in 22 up until Celty taking Anri to Shinra and Shizuo getting shot. Additionally, Walker and Erika’s narration in episode 20 gave a very different explanation as to how the Yellow Scarves came to be instead of the extended Kida flashback in the light novel.

  26. pgal says:

    That’s sad. Most of the scenes that disappointed me came from the non-novel part :-/

  27. Roger says:

    I dunno, I thought the canon bits in 20 were particularly weak too.

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I mean, I didn't even realize she was supposed to be a Finn before you said that, I didn't caught on that when anime called Miyu "transfer student from Finland", its because Luvia sort of adopted her into Edelfelt family or something?(iirc)
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Anyway, so regardless of subjective experiences, does anyone have a clue why Luvia Edelfelt is a Finn anyway? .-. I'd have thought she is anime British... Is there actual reason besides "let's pick random European country"?
Masky
Yeah I wouldn't mind message deletion on those ones
AidanAK47
If you want I can delete those messages. Anyway this chatbox refreshes every two minutes so you might need to refresh the page to see new posts.
Masky
I mean, like, you pointed out that I was talking about superficial stuff right before I point out that I was referring to superficial stuff :'D So yeah, blergh, wasted time writing that
Masky
Also ah dang it, you posted something right before I posted it so you just ninja'd me .-.
Masky
Meant to write "(so countries that aren't England, German, France-)" xD
Masky
Oops typo there
Masky
Well yeah, I haven't checked how many times each of different European countries are mentioned in variety of Japanese media, all I said was that out of lesser known countries(England, German, France, Spain, etc) I have seen Finland referred most and that weirds me out xD
AidanAK47
Anyway I get what you mean but I feel you just focus too much on drawing connections on a superficial level. If you simplify something down you can draw connections between anything but it's the details that make all the difference.
AidanAK47
@Masky, But whats the point of making a statement if that statement isn't true or at least holds ground? Generalized statmements are annoying because they are often said in ignorance because the one making the statement hasn't bothered to verify it and is basing it entirely on an unreliable and selective memory.
Anonymous58340
Things that are generally true tend to be true generally
Masky
This is why generalized statements are annoying, because someone always take them too seriously and nitpicks "but it doesn't happen that often" or "when you say always it isn't always" xD
Masky
I dunno why I bother sometimes, since its not like you want to understand what I mean anyway : D
Masky
@Aidan: Bah, meanie~
afgm
the technology isn't super refined yet, but it definitely has the potential to make drawn animation obselete
afgm
The setting is especially enriched by the CGI
afgm
Berserk is amaaaziiing! Oh my god! The animation is so detailed, movement wise! You can't get that with drawings.
afgm
@SuperMario: lol yeah
AidanAK47
@Mario, That sucks. Though I often find realistionships too troublesome to bother with.
AidanAK47
@Masky, no you often don't. You tend to make random generalized statements. Hence why I assumed this was also a generalisation based on small cases. And it still is.
SuperMario
But Flowers of Evil is a great series, I agree
SuperMario
@afgm: you talking 'bout the anime, right? Because the events after the anime are when sh!ts just got real.
afgm
It's one of my favorite series
afgm
@SuperMario: Flowers of Evil is anti-romance, but it is a celebration of love apart from it. Nothing makes me more hopeful than to watch a protagonist recover from a prolonged and debilitating manic episode.
Masky
So I guess technically she does have Finnish name even though it doesn't really sound like it to my ears...
Masky
Just to note Luvia is tiny municipiality here, never heard of it before though. Edelfelt sounds like it has Swedish origin, but it is name that is name of apparently somewhat famous Finnish painter. I haven't heard of that guy, but I don't really know many Finnish painters because I'm not into art history.
Masky
Joking aside, like I said, Finland is mostly mentioned in otaku pandering material for some bizarre reason. For example, I once saw review of game that is about stripping vampires(not hentai game, can't remember name though) and I noticed it had one random Finnish character who actually did have Finnish name.
Masky
@Aidan: Hah, take that for being arrogant "its on your head" : D I know what I'm talking about most of the time
SuperMario
But isn't it fitting that the anime/manga I'm currently following is Flowers of Evil, a pretty much anti-romance manga. Well, might as well write a reflection on the manga if I feel up to it :)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I wish I were joking, but it's okay. I don't want to bring the atmostphere of the shoutbox down by my personal affairs.
@afgm: thanks man. Well I'm just keep moving on, no use thinking back too much on that.
Kaiser Eoghan
Oh. whoa whoa, I thought Mario was taking the piss/joking with that post...thought wrong.
afgm
@SuperMario: That sucks man. How are you holding up? I know long distance relationships can be hard to maintain -- it gets pretty lonely.
Kaiser Eoghan
Really glad to see that Vinland saga has gotten properly good again, it was starting to get back on track slowly but surely, now it, with this new chapters revelation fully has,
Kaiser Eoghan
Ireland was mentioned in Nabari no ou and an episode of original gundam, two of gundam 00s characters are Irish.
Kaiser Eoghan
I don't like generalized statements, much prefer Colonelized ones actually.
Kaiser Eoghan
There was a dating sim adaptation by studio deen in 2003 that did a girl of the week format, one of the girls was finnish.
SuperMario
Just broke up with my girl after 3 years. Figure that it never works out for a long-term relationship... (That's a generalized statement right there)
AidanAK47
So that's one. Can't say I remember seeing Finland elsewhere besides that show where all the countries are turned into anime characters.
AidanAK47
Luvia Edelfelt is from Finland?! Well damn you learn something new every day.
AidanAK47
And now I find a screenshot of them saying Miyu is from Finland. Which is weird because nothing of the sort was mentioned in the manga.
AidanAK47
Most I seen was anime characters saying Norway which was generally used as a means of saying NO WAY.
AidanAK47
@Anon48363, its sad that when I see a comment like this my first reaction is suspecting its a Bot. Thanks though.
@Masky, nope. No they didn't. I think this may be in your head.
Anonymous48363
Been enjoying the site for 7-8 years, if not longer. Thank you for your efforts in keeping the editorial line intact wrt reviews and happy to discover new content in the process. Keep up the good work!
Masky
Anyway, speaks of your "high taste" I guess. Finland gets brought up in some of otaku fanservice material for some bizarre reason. I'm weirded out by that since Finland is most obscure backwater place I've seen mentioned most out of other obscure countries xD
Masky
Of course it is possible I'm remembering wrong too(and did read wrong) and they did mention it only once :P
Masky
How funny you say that and then mention that weird magical girl spinoff right after wards xD The part where they introduce Miyu to rest of class has teacher saying she is transfer student from Finland, unless I read subtitles wrong
AidanAK47
Gonna wait on the Prisma Illya episode post. Figure I cover two episodes in one considering the slow pace isn't giving me much to work with.
Got to say I thought this would give me much more to talk about.
AidanAK47
I don't remember Finland ever being brought up in anime. Or video games. Or anything for that matter.
Speaking of the preview I have at least checked the source material. Just need to buckle down and start writing it.
Masky
@Bam: I know right? :D
Bam
I agree with K-off regarding keep the business end of stuff off the shoutbox- I just have no means of communicating with all of ya'll. We can Skype, but I suggest Google hangouts for conferencing. That way we may be able to record special podcasts, and now's probably a good time to get this to the next level.
Bam
I also volunteer to help with the workload for the season preview. I would be down to cover two series, but they have to appeal to me, cause there's no way I can be fair and PG-13 with the reviews of aweful shows.
Bam
@Masky: "Generalized statements are in general rather annoying". Hehe, that awefully sounds woefully like a generalized statement to me m8.
Bam
First Dark Souls III DLC titled Ashes of Ariandel just confirmed for an Oct 25th release. Thankfully this time, all regions and platforms are getting the expnasion on the same day. Here is a reveal trailer to launch the Hype Zeppelin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu1NCPMC7D0
Bam
Friend: please send me, or post, the finished banner once you have it complete. I would like to take a gander. Thank you.
Masky
...Espicially since characters supposedly from there rarely have names that sound Finnish.
Masky
So anyhoo, so why is Finland one of countries that tends to get name dropped a lot in anime/manga/japanese video games? As Finnish person that weirds me out
K-Off
@Friend Damn, kind of surprised to see how abstract some of those concept art are for Mulan. But generalizations are just easier to make if all they care about is validation.
Masky
Generalized statements are in general rather annoying, but everyone loves to make them anyway for some reason :D
Friend
I'm nearing completion with our banner, in terms of work-hours Id say 3 hours? But in real life that equates to about 4 days because of stuff.
Friend
Something that annoys me: when a fellow artist makes a generalized statement about the industry by saying something silly like "japanese animated films have more creative input involved." Uggh Google "Alex Nino Mulan Concept" and tell me if you still think that. Sorry about that X/
SuperMario
And it might sound weird to you guys, especially majority of you are in one of the hottest days of summer, but I'm gonna head off to snow mountain for skiing this coming weekend. So expect the weekly posts will be a bit later than usual.
SuperMario
I don't know if that guy @Bond is still lurking around here, but I'm still interested In doing that thing with him
SuperMario
@Aidan: imho, those numbers don't really mean if we have nothing to compare them to. I'll say the ratio between original/ all anime for particular seasons would tell us a lot better
AidanAK47
But it does counter the point of "We don't get enough original anime anymore" which in itself was a pretty silly statement.
AidanAK47
Of course just because they are original doesn't automatically qualify them as good.
AidanAK47
@Anon44887, that logic would apply if it was an exception. 9 original shows last season, 14 original shows this season. 20 in the next. Are they three seasons all an exception?
Anonymous44887
@AidanAK47: An exception that proves the rule
Vonter
Just to ask does any of the shows being reviewed have a great soundtrack. Just asking for asking.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: I recall he posted under the name Bold/bond, the same poster who made the chart.
AidanAK47
Who was it again bemoaning that we don't get enough original(Not adaption) anime anymore? Cause there are 20 original shows next season. Great for anime but hard for me cause what am I gonna write in the preview?
AidanAK47
I am a bit too stubborn to burnout.
@afgm, I didn't change a thing.
Anonymous38539
I hope AidanAK47 would not suffer an Anime Burnout. I love this site and it pains to think that one day, no one will be writing the seasonal previews and yearly summary.
SuperMario
@Aidan: you have 91 days's episode as 9 instead of 7
AidanAK47
Bloody hell, even the spambots are referencing Pokemon Go now.
K-Off
For future reference, let's direct admin dialogue to email, apart from direct feedback.
@Mario We're working on allowing users to set up accounts.
SuperMario
And the constant anonymous names just keep bugging me. Can we make it back to the old shoutbox, where you have to put down your name in order to write message?
SuperMario
I think it's one thing leads to another. he's getting too burnout that he doesn't know what to write anymore.
AidanAK47
@Anon36049, pretty much what he said. Though it seems to be a combination of anime burnout and writers block.
Anonymous36271
He suffered from anime burnout and is getting on with real life.
Anonymous36049
Hi guys I havent been around for a long time. Does anyone know what happened to psgels? I see that the new posts are not his.
AidanAK47
Disgaea 2 coming to steam. Sweet.
Gotta finish Disgaea 1 and hope they don't screw up the port on release day again.
AidanAK47
Illuminati are everywhere, regardless of wherther it's anime or not. Sword Art Online was the work of the illuminati. All in the name of the gaint magic eyeball triange god do they rule the landscape of entertainment medium.
Also Magic Eyeball-kun also argees that Rem is best girl. And none shall dare denounce that claim.
SuperMario
@Anony35181: never thought they're that much interested in anime thou
Anonymous35181
@supermario, illuminati confirmed
SuperMario
Is it just me or couple of messages from the shoutbox just gone missing?
Topgavin
Haven't been watching it myself, but apparently in Taboo Tattoo, that large-chested high school girl died while running *onto a live battlefield* to check on her boyfriend with a shirt that said "flag". 10/10
K-Off
@afgm Sent you a message.
@Friend Looks good, I'd be interested in seeing multiple witches as well.
Anonymous32745
Chemotherapy is a cause of cancer rather than a cure.
Anonymous32745
If you know someone dying of cancer, immediately inform them that allopathic medicine will kill them and turn them to natural remedies which often work.
Anonymous32745
"Medicine and science are powerfully institutionalized, but no institution or profession has existed for the purpose of encouraging people to act reasonably." - Ray Peat
afgm
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afgm
@Friend: yeah it's a problem
@Koff: I emailed you a while back. did you get it?
Fri3nd
Huh, I can't use my username.
@Bam You're right, I'll work on it.
Bam
@K-off: It's moments like these that really remind you of mortality. People pull thru tho. medical science has come far in that field; but definitely not far enough.
Bam
@Friend: It's looks pretty good. I like Mario's suggestion of a series of witches, but a solitary one is more in-tune with the current banner. I would say however that there is too much dark in the negative space to the right. Could be just me tho.
Bam
@Kaiser: a series of consecutive 'yes'. I was really into Laloux, but FP is the one I liked the most. I've been watching Mr. Robot since season 1, and it's well worth your time. Not really all that cyberpunkish tho; mostly just cyber. And anybody who hasn't read Gibson's masterpiece is a fool of a Took.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Bam: Have you been looking into that Mr Robot series? I heard its meant to be some kind of cyber thriller, it could be our thing. Also have you read Neuromancer?
Kaiser Eoghan
And I suppose that brings me to that stranger things show then, I love horror so I guess that caught my eye, but apparently its a family/kids thing =< don't know whether to bother.
Kaiser Eoghan
I still say it takes me that extra bit of convincing to watch a childrens animated film.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Friend: The banner is in good hands I see.
AidanAK47
Well Coraline wasn't written by Laika. It was written by Neil Gaiman. Laika just adapted it. Still I would like to check out Kubo to see what all the hype is about.
SuperMario
@anony29442: I will watch Kubo this coming week so I will comment on the movie then. But I'm not that surprise if Kubo has a weak writing. Laika never really great at story development: I mean Coraline is exellent, ParaNorman is just okay and Boxstrolls writing is just so underdeveloped and full of plotholes
SuperMario
@friend: wow. It looks awesome. But why only one witch? ^^
Friend
Hey everyone! Just an update on our new banner, here's my WIP up to now: [link src="https://i.imgur.com/0QSv6IK.png
I'm"] trying a witch as a tribute to one of psgel's favorite anime maho shojotai. Feedback is welcome, I have a lot left to do. A 5:1 aspect ratio is the weirdest dimension I've ever painted in
Anonymous29442
I just saw Kubo and the 2 strings and im really shocked at all the praise its receiving. People calling it an instant masterpiece on looks alone but not enough are talking about how underdeveloped the characters and story were. It felt as if they made the whole thing up as they went along to the point where I couldnt suspend my disbelief any longer and got irritated.
Anonymous29415
qualidea code's characters havent become better in terms of how they are written; only that they have been fleshed out in the most generic and trivial of ways as to sympathize with them; and sure, they have become some what likeable in the same way you'd like a person who you heard nothing but kind things about but that does not save the characters from being boring. QC is still a bad show
AidanAK47
@Anon27511, even if the animation was kept consistent the story still can't really escape the done to death aspect of it's story. I agree that the writing has gotten better but despite that the show just feels...meh.
Anonymous27511
Fucking Qualidea Code, as the story and characters become more interesting, the animation and drawing proportionately decreases. Sad they simply do not have the budget to pull off what seems like a potentially very good story
K-Off
@Mike I'm sure you already heard but for some reason I didn't keep up to date. I thought it was strange that releases stopped in March after chapter 68,.
K-Off
Just learned that the writer of my favorite webtoon is battling terminal cancer, but despite it she hopes to finish it someday. God damn I would've never expected this.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Once spilled hot microwaved food over my hand by mistake, hurt for a day.
Kaiser Eoghan
*remaining
Kaiser Eoghan
@Bam: The story and ideas however were better in gandahar I felt. Time masters while good was a bit stop and start in its pace and animation.
I’m definitely interested in Laloux’s other, short animations and Mobius’ comic book work.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Bam: I watched Rene Laloux's remain animated films, Gandahar and time masters, I enjoyed both but not as much as Fantastic planet. I remember we talked about fantastic planet two years ago. Did you see the other two I mentioned. I liked the big moments and the ending to time masters, especially those angel things.
Anonymous27024
Ok. I beat Federation Force. I think the main positive is that the levels were playable despite the lack of voice chat. The bosses took a lot of damage and the beginning and end are relevant to the Prime continuity.
SuperMario
@K-Off: I did it once just like you did, and once when I put a metal bowl into a microwave. So yeah, boys will always be boys.
Bam
I tried my best not to half-ass either of them tho. Any oddity you guys see just write it off as mental exhaustion.
Bam
Okay, I'm officially beat. These two reviews should be considered companion pieces, as some material from one flew into the other. Thank god that episode 08 was not a heavy one, or I'd be completely depleted.
K-Off
Shit, I'm a damn idiot at baking, slightly burnt my hand a minute ago grabbing a hot tray with a wet towl. Why do I even try.
K-Off
@afgm Alright, send me a message at fightthepowwa@gmail.com and we'll work it out.
Bam
*cinematography
Bam
@K-off: I second that, as although the Poirot series has very well-done choreography, casting and music, there is still a little more of that unquantifiable magic sprinkled on the Granada series. But keep watching and I'll guarantee that Suchet will become the quintessential Poirot in your mind as well.
K-Off
I said that while I liked the performance and the direction, I didn't think that it did for Poirot what Granada did for Holmes.
K-Off
@Bam Yeah it is, and generally when I camp I like to stay for 1-2 weeks, places like Niagara or Yellowstone I can pretty much see everything I want to see in a few days so I don't find much value going to those places. The Adirons on the other hand is diverse as hell.
Bam
@K-off: I'm not sure if you mentioned it while I was gone: but did you get to watch any of the Poirot series with David Suchet? And if so, what are your thoughts?
Bam
I generally go to either the Muir Woods north of SF, or the forests around Big Sur. It doesn't take much to please me really.
Bam
@K-ff: is that by Lake Champlain? Cuz I've been there once and loved it.
Bam
@K-off: I thought of a combined post, but my OCD wouldn't allow a skip in the episodic order of the reviews.
K-Off
Usually when you go camping in Yellowstone or Yosemite the tourist industry kills those places, like I'd be on a rowboat and see cars, cabins, and people from a long ways offshore. The Adirondacks are nice because their building codes mandate construction to be hidden behind trees.
K-Off
@Bam My favorite camping spot is the Adirondacks in upstate NY, I went there probably 4-7 times and never get tired of the place. No, I don't have any posts for now, but for future reference consider combining episodic reviews when you get behind. I.E. Episode 6-8 Review
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