Posted by psgels on 15 June 2010 with categories: Top 10 Anime

Compiling this list was… annoying. At least with OPs, series take a lot more liberties to try something interesting. Most of the EDs however, just look and sound way too much like each other. There were a ton of the same ballads with dull images in front of them, but by far the worst were those moe show endings with those horrible J-pop songs. Standalone they may not be so bad, but when I compiled this list I had to listen to hundreds of these things. I was seriously glad when the pain stopped.

In any case though, there are also a number of series that showcase excellent EDs, and that’s what this list is about. Note that my taste in music is a bit weird for your average anime fan (I really don’t like most J-Pop and J-rock).

A great ED for me has first and foremost got to contain a good song. It may have great visuals, but those are no use if I’m poking my ears out. On top of that, I also like EDs that treat themselves as more than just an obligatory thing to show credits at: the ones that come with interesting ideas for a music video, or so to say.

#25: Hetalia Axis Powers ED1 (All Versions)

Okay, okay. I know that it seems a bit silly here, but this is just such a catchy collection of EDs. The reason I’m including it in this list is because of their total picture, not just one version of them. All of the EDs of Hetalia Axis Powers are full of those cheesy country-references that made the series infamous. I applaud the composers here of giving each country its own soundtrack on the same song and beat. When it was just Italy’s version at the end of every episode, it was indeed a boring way to close the series, but the fun began as soon as every major country got his own version.

#24: Boogiepop Phantom

This ED is on the list for its simplicity, but with such a sea of dull ballads and cheesy j-pop tunes, it’s a breath of fresh air to listen to such a catchy song that doesn’t try to hard at the same time. It hardly ever repeats any verses, and I of course love the use of electric guitars here. The graphics themselves are just recaps, but they serve their purpose here.

#23: NHK ni Youkoso ED2

There are some genres of music that I hate, yeah. However I also believe that for all of those genres, there are gems of exceptions. This ED is one such exceptions for J-Rock. It’s subtly sung and well composed without the annoying sugary energy that just all sounds the same to me with regular J-rock. The pictures shown make no sense, but they do create a very good atmosphere for the rest of the song.

#22: Excel Saga

Excel Saga was a series that parodied everything under the sun: all genres that were possible at the time, it poked fun at. So yeah, even the ED is a tongue-in-cheek attempt to close off every episode. The joke is probably lost on the people who haven’t seen the series and don’t know what Menchie (that dog) went through, but let’s just say that out of all the characters in comedy anime whose only purpose it is to be abused… Menchi was one of, if not THE best and most adorable.

#21: Hanamaru Youchien ED10

Hanamaru Youchien really took the cake with its EDs: every episode didn’t just have a different one, but they were all vastly different in style, soundtrack and narrative. The best of the bunch by far was the ending for episode 10, which suddenly turned into a horror parody which to be honest actually was quite scary, the way in which it used a character who in the series itself is always bright and cheerful, who suddenly gets chased quite genuinely by all of these weird creatures.

#20: GTO ED3

I really love Studio Pierrot’s sense of aesthetics. Ten years ago. This ED may just consist out of a bunch of footage from the TV-series, but it’s edited together very skilfully to give it a very interesting visual effect together with the music, which is a very good composition with excellent vocals. It’s not as good as the first OP, but it still packs a huge punch, and it’s exactly what a recap ED should be.

#19: Red Garden

This is just one of those rare anime EDs that are great to headbang on. I personally love the riffs throughout the song, and how it gradually builds up its intensity over such a short time as 90 seconds. It’s these types of songs that I’d wish were more used in EDs nowadays.

#18: Paranoia Agent

Ah, the simplicity. This ED only consists out of a few simple instruments and a very simple and childish tune, in front of pictures of the main cast just sleeping. But the effect it has is something that a ton of other EDs lack. It’s got a wonderful atmosphere, not to mention that the character-designs themselves are truly excellent to look at, just like with any other Satoshi Kon work.

#17: Shikabane Hime: Aka

I must say that Angela surely showed that she has an amazing voice with her OPs and EDs for Shikabane Hime. The second ED stood out for all the wrong reasons, but the first was a very good upbeat song which allowed Angela to show a wide variety of her voice, which really worked well in the end.

#16: Yukikaze

The entire ED of Yukikaze just screams nostalgia. It fit the OVA perfectly, and it’s such a gentle way to close off each episode. In an OVA that’s full of confusion and eye candy, it’s the perfect song to just be straight-forward and make sense of what just happened. It’s very catchy too.

#15: Now and Then, Here and There

Like the OP of this series, this ED is fantastic in its simplicity. Horrible things happen in every episode in which a bunch of kids are in a completely different world from which they grew up. This ED is here to remind us of that. There’s a safe environment waiting for these children, which is where they belong, instead of what this series does to them.

#14: Ie Naki Ko Remi

Indeed, Ie Naki Ko was one of the more rushed and unrefined World Masterpiece Theatres, but it did have the best soundtrack. I’m really sorry that I couldn’t find any footage of the actual ED, but it’s just so damn obscure that I couldn’t find it anywhere. It’s a wonderful song to end the series with though, and the full version shows this even more: the singer is truly excellent and together with the rest of the instruments she really builds up this song with an increasingly impressive atmosphere, and at the same time it’s also something that kids are gonna love due to the few gentle and playful parts.

#13: Bokura no ED1

Another excellent voice from Ishikawa Chiaki. Her voice is haunting and unique and it’s among my favourites of the tons and tons of ballad EDs that have been released so far. Her voice is restrained, yet powerful, and the images really focus on what’s important in this series: the children, and nothing more or less.

#12: .hack//Liminality

The one thing that I’ve noticed with Bee-Train’s series is that their OPs and EDs are often inferior to their actual soundtracks. But yeah, when Yuki Kajiura writes an ED for them, there’s no way to go wrong with that. It’s got some amazing vocals and background choirs, and she really managed to work her magic here. It’s by far the best ED I have listened to from Yuki Kajiura.

#11: Wellber no Monogatari: Sisters of Wellber Zwei

Another example of how a recap ending should be done. Sure, the series itself was cheesy as hell, but it had some damn good ideas for its OPs and EDs. Showing all of these recaps alongside each other definitely makes an interesting watch, plus, the disco-ish song itself also works very well to go with the tension and atmosphere of the rest of the series.

#10: Paradise Kiss

I have absolutely no bloody clue how the creators got the licensing rights from Franz Ferdinand here, but it worked really well. I’ve said this before: back when I watched this series I still wasn’t much into slice of life series, and pretty much the biggest reason for me to keep watching this series was because it had such an awesome OP and ED. Instead of slapping a bunch of recap shots behind this, the creators actually created quite an amusing set of animations, especially for those car chase scenes.

#9: Kare Kano

Without a doubt the best ED to a shoujo romance. The use of life action is unconventional, but it works surprisingly well in showing that this takes place in a high school. On top of that it’s got to have one of the catchiest melodies of any of the EDs I’ve had to listen to. The simple use of vocals and guitar complement each other really well throughout the song, and it’s another reason why today’s shoujo series need to look to the past for inspiration to get out of the stale state they’re currently in.

#8: Tegami Bachi

I don’t quite understand why OPs are tracked down very hard on youtube… while uploaded episodes are just left alone. I think that an OP or ED is actually a very good promotional material for especially the older series, especially if they’re good. In any case, Letter Bee. When I first saw this ED, I really was amazed with how incredibly good it was. The visuals here were absolutely beautiful, you could really see that Studio Pierrot put a ton of imagination into it. The recap at the beginning is a bit annoying, but after that just everything fits. The way that one scene flows into the other, to the colour scheme. For me, it was the sign that Studio Pierrot had not lost the talent that it had ten years ago.

#7: Wings of Rean

The ED of the Wings of Rean is also based on a great visual idea, to have all these strings with wings flying upwards, with ever-increasing impressive patterns. It’s just so fascinating to look at, it’s something that I didn’t experience with any other ED so far. The song is also excellent here: well composed and with a great vocals.

#6: Zone of the Enders: Dolores, i

Arranged by the excellent composer Hikaru Nanase: when she really hits a good idea, it shines beyond belief (just listen to the Noein Soundtrack if you want proof). This song rocks in the way that it combines all sorts of instruments with the unconventionally high-pitched voice. It always was an awesome way to close off such an awesome series and amongst the best of Hikaru Nanase’s wide variety of different songs.

#5: xxxHOLiC ED2

This is one for the fans. Sure, the song is excellent and all, but what really made this ED so memorable was seeing Maru and Moro playing air guitar. It’s a terrific idea that especially works for the fans of the series like myself. It just screams awesome in every single way.

#4: Guin Saga

MommoHDGuin Saga ED
I’ve talked about this ED before. It was my absolute favourite of 2009, simply due to that voice. Kanon is an amazing singer, and the entire ED just screams ‘epic’ like the series it’s based on.

#3: Starship Operators

An incredibly powerful song, which the series knows and makes use of very well later in the series. The artists did a great job of not limiting themselves to the series’ rather limited character-designs, but instead drew the characters with some pretty interesting ideas in mind. But yeah, the song is what really sold me here. Especially the full version’s vocals are haunting beyond belief.

#2: Red Garden ED1

Something that the more creative EDs often like to pull is to put the cast into a completely different context. By far my favourite attempt of this is Red Garden’s first ED, and yeah, I know that I already included them once in this TOP, but their EDs are just so damn good that I couldn’t resist to put them in twice. What the creators did here was put the entire cast, and made them visit a rock concert. What makes this one different is that while the mood is different, it’s not like usual in which the creators just changed genre. I mean, I could totally see this to have been some sort of school festival for everyone to have let off some steam from what happened throughout the Red Garden series. The music behind it is also ridiculously addictive. it’s a bit cheesy with the “Rock the LMC!!!” over and over, but it worked really well for me.

#1: Mushishi
I didn’t have to think long to decide my number one for this top. I mean, Mushishi had a different OP for every single episode. Every single one of them was just absolutely stunning in its simplicity. The way it used its sounds to give a nature-ish atmosphere is truly unrivalled, and I’ve never listened to another ED that had such a strong atmosphere as its EDs. They’re all wonderfully composed, and that makes it such a shame that they’re near-impossible to track down. Only after a ton of searching did I find a version that was at least listenable to. In any case, it remains a wonderful series of EDs, even with such a bad quality.

24 Responses

  1. Pafiume says:

    Dang, I was half hoping to see Gag Manga Biyori on the list~ My personal favorite’s not up here, but I do love a few of ’em. Makes me want to re-watch a few series.

  2. ves says:

    I’m surprised that Eden of the East didn’t make it to the list, I thought the visuals were really interesting.

    That Hanamaru Youchien ED wasn’t my favourite one out of their EDs because I managed to guess the ending and took away some of the excitement, but it was still funny seeing her reaction ^^ And yeah, the Hetalia endings were all catchy no matter who sang it lol.
    Even though I didn’t watch all the shows on your list, but Bokura no’s ED made the most impact for the ones that I’ve never seen before.

    Not sure whether you’ve watched Honey & Clover already, but I liked how the episodes transitioned into the EDs.

  3. Omurqi says:

    I approve of this list! Out of the few I haven’t heard before, I loved Red Garden’s 2nd ED, there DO need to be more like these.

    I guess you made a typo in your last paragraph though. Mushishi had multiple ED’s, not OP’s ;)

  4. quixoticmoon says:

    I’m so happy that you included both of Red Garden’s endings. I remember never skipping those as I usually do with most eds.

  5. Loki says:

    Interesting list, anyways I was expecting Kaiba ED :) …

  6. Denizen says:

    No Gankutsuou or Ergo Proxy? I love those endings.

  7. Sapphire says:

    What about the ending of Wolf’s Rain, sung by Maaya Sakamoto? ^^

  8. jpmeyer says:

    Heart of Sword!

  9. Kalandra says:

    No Hare Hare Yukai?

    Ok I jest, don’t throw things at me. But surely Gunslinger Girl season 1 ED deserve a mention. After all, it captures the tone of the show.

  10. treble89 says:

    My No.1 ED has to be “Sagittarius” from Nodame Cantabile, I mope a few tear each episode ends, same goes with Honey & Clover 2 ED “Split”. It’s sort of weird Mushishi at first place, but I can’t agree more, each EDs was such depth. Glad to see Welcome to NHK ED2 in the list, the song is nice.

  11. AuroraFlame says:

    Hanamaru ED10 was my favorite as well.
    I find all of Mushishi’s endings to be really haunting, especially when preceded by those “life goes on” slow fades to black.

  12. dm says:

    I think that part of the effect of the Mushishi ending came from the fact that you’d been quietly hearing the theme throughout the entire episode, and that it only moves to the foreground as the credits roll. This seemed to me to create the effect of letting you slowly withdraw from the atmosphere of the episode in a thoughtful fashion.

  13. Watcherzero says:

    Guin Saga was my favourite Ed in years, good Enya/Clannad soundalike. I would of put Heroic Age in the list, great music in that series.

    Oh and the Amazing Black Lagoon Ed, how could you miss that? Great visuals and the way they fade it in at the end of the action every ep rather than cutting to it.

    Couple of more honorable mentions, 08th MS team as it tells a story, Gundam Seed Ed See Saw again because they fade it in and its very sweet singing.

    Dai-Guard Ed, very light hearted and goes with the light comedy series. School Rumble, again light hearted.

    All the Initial D eds, first time id seen live action in anime 2nd in particular for featuring a live action Sprinter Trueno

  14. Bill says:

    “There were a ton of the same ballads with dull images in front of them, but by far the worst were those moe show endings with those horrible J-pop songs.”

    In Japan, most anime songs aren’t considered J-Pop. Even mainstream listeners dislike the sugary tunes and the high pitched, exaggerated voices, so it’s regarded as a genre all by itself (sold through exclusive anime record labels and aimed purely at anime otaku. No one else listens to it).

    The exception is when a mainstream artist/band is contracted to perform an opening or ending song. However, in that case, they provide their signature sounds rather than conventional anime music.

  15. Nick87 says:

    What happened to GITS SAC 2nd GIG’s Living in the Shell? or Lithium Flower?
    WHR’s Half Pain by Bana? Kagayaita or Signal from Ginatama?
    This isn’t the best list, but I like some of the songs that are on here :-)

  16. aquagon says:

    And none of my favorites (such as Inori no Kanata from Tales of Symphonia: Tethe’alla-hen, or Kaze no Mahou from Popolocrois) showed up here, either.

  17. Reltair says:

    Starship Operators was really long ago for me. So I didn’t remember the ED being this good. Thanks for sharing!

  18. tomtom says:

    I like most the songs on the list, pretty good choises. Black lagoon and basquash ending 1 should have made it, though.

  19. Renren says:

    Menchiii!!!! I love that song. Thanks for reminding me about it! XD

  20. p-kun says:

    As I scrolled down your list, I was wondering why Mushishi ending was not in the list. And there it was on no #1. XD. Excellent!

  21. him61 says:

    How did the Fantastic Children ED not make this list?

  22. Sywen says:

    my favourite ED is “Moonlight” by Katsumoto Yukari from Kurau Phantom Memory.

    mood and frame of the song fits perfectly with the anime

  23. Kurisu says:

    “I have absolutely no bloody clue how the creators got the licensing rights from Franz Ferdinand here”

    I guess they didn’t and just downloaded it with LimeWire…No wait, I’m sure they sucked cock…Or maybe they licensed it just like any other song is licensed in the entertainment industry? No that would be too simple!

    Denizen: Ergo Proxy? Are you serious? That obnoxious misfit of a Radiohead song ruins the complete OST. The BGM is just incredibly atmospheric and congruent, the opening song stands out too from it but it’s okay. However, “Paranoid Android” just sucks. It doesn’t even sound professional.

    Nick87: When I listened to the GITS soundtracks for the first time, I was surprised how few of the songs I liked and I virtually remembered none of them. A couple of them have grown on me but I don’t think the ending songs are good at all. Somehow I tend to dislike English songs in anime. It’s a bit like a culture shock for me everytime it happens.

    Kalandra: I definitely remember that. A very sentimental and moving ending song. The animation is simple – a gun in the rain – but absolutely fitting.

    I find it difficult to remember ending songs although I rarely skip it unless it’s just too annoying. Off the top of my head I remember a few songs that impressed me but not really any outstanding – albeit nice – ending animation. Well, Sayonara Zetsubou Zensei had creative and frequently changing ending animations and it’s almost a trademark of SHAFT but I seldom really like the songs that go along with them.

    Cowboy Bebop has certainly one of my favourite ending songs but the animation even if just pictures is clever too. It tells the background story of Spike and Julia, so these are not screenshots from the show itself.

    Utena had several great ending songs (Kiss in the Dark, Truth), although the animation was just the typical non-impressive repeated animation.

    Texhnolyze has an absolutely beautiful and melancholic ending song by Gackt with a simple but wonderful animation (Rans face fades into a flower). They replaced the animation in some episodes with a stupid CGI animation featuring Gackt. That annoyed me quite a bit.

    Captain Harlock’s ending song makes me feel very nostalgic.

    Talking about nostalgia: Kimagura Orange Road is full of great music – good old-school J-Pop – and the ending songs are no exceptions.

    City Hunter (first season) has “Get Wild” by TM-Network as ending song. I absolutely love this song. Another example of great old-school J-Pop.

    Gungrave has some great ending song and better than average animation with some cool film effects making it look almost real. I just love how they run toward the sun. It’s rather uplifting with a bit of melancholy.

    How could one forget MONSTER? Each ending animation is different. It’s telling a story from a picture book that is later part of the story. I prefer the first ending song “For the love of life” by David Sylvian. It’s as simple as beautiful.

    The first ending song of “Legend of the Galactic Heroes” called “Across the Bridge Light” is especially beautiful and a very pathetic song quite fitting the tone of the show with its harsh happenings. Almost makes me cry each time.

  24. Taxy says:

    Yeah, Mushishi on No. 1! I scrolled down the list and the more I went to No. 1, I thought “OMG, he had forgot Mushishi!” What a joy to see it on No. 1! :))

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I've no interest in Irelands drinking culture /festival days much.
Its really just a day off or an excuse for 13 year olds to get drunk.
He was Welsh aswell and there weren't exactly that much snakes in Ireland to begin with.
@Mario: Its technically St Patricks day now yes. Not that I personally care for it, I got going to the parade out of my system over a decade ago, never liked the oirishness and cliches/commercialisim around it, in the end it just makes it impossible to get around the city, plus the weather is so poor its pointless going out anyway.
I saw some Irish flags around my area. Is it St Patrick day today?
I did listen to some of aico's dub, I don't think any of these people are experienced or professional voice actors.
Anon: B the beginning was too much of an awkward genre mix. I was content to just ignore aico because I'm not a fan of Bones as a studio but you're the second person to say it reminds them of some old ova.
@Anon: I enjoyed the combination of old and new with devilman, it even being able to eclipse the ovas, aswell as the experimental visual style and transgression, and as you said, the surprising emotional involvement.
So i finish, B the Beginning, Aico, Devilman( What a feel's ride). and I must say that they're far from perfect, but they remaind me of 90, early 2000 anime, that i loved so much and that is a big plus. Today's anime doesnt feel quite the same in my opinion, what are your thoughts.. Now im getting excited to watch SWORD GAI!.
While obvious an anime series, After the rain often feels like a live action film.
@Mario: Actually that does remind me, I never saw Pola X by Carax.
Miike is extremely hit or miss, but I loved how Audition minipulated the viewer with its slower first half before really taking off, most of Ichi the killer is just a perversely funny black comedy to me.
Chang-dong-Lee is refreshingly less melodramatic then other Korean directors.
Benh Zeitlin is one I'm not familiar with, but it turns out he did beasts of southern wild and I enjoy magical realism.
@Mario: I wasn't aware Carax was still alive, some sgements of holy motors work, others don't , lovers on the bridge was a more accessible film I recall.
@Fluca: okay. Kinda fixed it. I don't think we have a spoiler code so I just changed your spoiler into white color
@Kaiser: I'm checking movies from indie auteur directors that could come out this year, interested Benh Zeitlin's second movie, Lee Chang Dong's and Leos Carax's one
Would love to see Our Little Sister in anime form, actually
Although Miike directs like at least 40 feature films, I only remember his Audition and Ichi the Killer the most, both of which I have extremely mixed feeling about
Every time I here the title Aico, it makes me think its some kind of eco/environmental thing, which I know it isn't.
The fate/extra Alice character (I looked her up) looks like she belongs in rozen maiden.
The modern Japanese directors can be prolific Miike and Sono pump out more than one film a year.
And it shows, that Our little sister adaptation, that live action adaptations CAN sometimes work.
Quick fact, that action crime josei anime, Bananna fish, coming out in April is based on a manga by the writer of Our little sister's manga.
@Mario: The interest being, how he would handle something so removed from his usual style.
@Mario: Actually re-checking, its next week, The third murder , which seems very different, a courtroom drama with some philosophy in it.
I really enjoy Our Little Sister, but I think mainly because the film is entirely within my comfort zone (Slice of life manga material, about the life of these girls)
@Kaiser: Which one will you see? He now directs one movie per year so it's hard to keep track some times. I really like his style and I reckon people who like slice-of-life will enjoy his movies
@Mario: Hirokazu Koreeda has a new film out, seeing it on Friday, I've only seen Our little sister by him.
@Anon: I essentially deleted the rest of the episodes off my computer after struggling through the first, like most, maybe moreso I got very turned off by the genre mixing. Thats not to say that I'm against genre mixes though, but they have to be weird, I mean really weird.
I am not a fan of breather episodes, something most modern anime are pretty keen to insert. I hate breaking of climaxes in order to show three SoL-, fanservice- or formularic monster of the week episodes before the main plot progresses further. When I want SoL I go watch a full fleshed SoL. Aico is pretty straight forward and kinda easy to watch in one go in that regard. Nothing really new though.
Just finished Aico. Had a few downsides like most series but I enjoyed it. Felt like a classic scifi anime you'd see in the 90s.
@Anon, I watched it. Though it was mixed but a decent enough watch. It really felt like two shows hastily combined into one. Been thinking of writing a review for it and Aico once I finish Aico.
*Have you watch
Have toy watch, B The Beginning?
I would call it somewhat lightweight however, but I won't complain/level too much against it, as it is afterall, a family film.
*in my memory
Nice animation showcase aswell though I don't know how long this will really stay i my memory, though it was nice.
Although it relies on being fairly convenient, linear and simplistic, that Mary witch flower anime movie is at its strongest when visually drawing the viewer into its world and wherever it shows spectacle. I'd say its adequately charming. Fair enough.
Hakata sounds like Gangasta. A series I enjoyed, despite its massive flaws
thanks guys. I will probably give it a try. I am also watching the Castlevania anime finally. Not really worth it for me. Also I watched the first episode of Garo Vanishing Line. I can a say it was fun.
Hi guys, anyone here played Sea Bed VN? Just wondering...
@Anon1880687 - I watched a couple of episodes. Feels like a foreign series. Since it doesn't feel like an anime made in Japan. I did like the group of revengers seem to have more personality than the main leads which insinuate chemistry but doesn't go deep into it. I don't remember if they explain why one of the leads chooses to dress like a girl. Though at least they give him/her a male voice.
@KTravlos: me. Not impressed. First few eps were alright with a set of bold characters, but later the lot just goes around in circle for these characters acting cool and cool rules the day. I dropped it after episode 6
KT here. Has anybody watched Hakata Tonkotsu Ramens? Impressions?
@Vonter: It gets more serious later although I agree it's better starting this without any knowledge about the series, like I did. I just loved the tragicomical jokes and the obsessive nostalgia Bojack suffered from and neither needed nor expected any drama but it was pretty good when it happened nonetheless.
@Anon, Not really. They just wanted to find some justification for the trashy aspects for a show they liked rather than accept it.
And while I understand how obnoxious it can be, there are times when people complain about a show doesn't explain itself and then get pissed off when you try to give an explanation.
ProZD nails it on the head yet again The people who continue to make excuses for kill la kill's fan service are the same ones fapping to episodes of the show to this day
@Vonter: From what I hear, while it does have comedy, by the second season not only does it improve, but its more of a drama.
I've been watching Bojack Horseman. It's good, yet watching certain clips before the actual series made me expect a darker show. I know it's a cartoon, but some jokes reduced the impact of certain events. Though I suppose it's meant to be uplifting and not just mean spirited. It gave me some Nier and Aku no Hana vibes.
We watched the first three episodes of B the Beginning. I must say I enjoyed it. We will see how the rest goes.
*whole franchise bar Macross delta
Despite loving the mans work since I got started on anime when I was younger, I still haven't seen Kawamori's most recent Macross series despite seeing the whole franchise.
I think devilman set me up for the idea that netflix would be putting out more transgressive anime.
If i were to rank the three netflix original shows that have released so far in descending order, it would be devilman crybaby, AICO, and then B: the beginning
so i just finished binge watching AICO...give it a watch if you guys have time, it's pretty good
@Mario: A good dose of reality in that episode though.
@Mario: Well I guess I called it completely wrong on who Chihiro was lol
@Amagi: Steins gate spent far too much time on a jokey first half.
Not that I'm trashing polemical writing, I find stuff by Jean-Luc-Godard fucking funny.
Doing a giant mood piece isn't pretentious, because it probably doesn't have a concrete meaning any way.
While still keeping it with enough sophistication .
For example, doing a rant of a film will only communicate to your intellectual friends and people already in the know, the working class guy you want to inform with your societal/political/religious ideas , was probably watching a western back in the 60s/70s, just incorporate the themes into that while not sacrificing the films appeal
With regards to pretension, I think that comes into play when you have a director trying to communicate ideas but ends up becoming ridiculously, overly polemical, its better to communicate thought provoking ideas through something straight, while also remaining some distance.
I think it often happens when authors create things on the fly, at least with manga. You can see terrible forms of comedy/SoL -> drama/scifi switches among webcomics, which are usually done by "amateurs", some of them being pretty young. It's always good when a series hints or blatantly shows what it is during its first episodes/chapters. Not talking about mysteries but genres.
Usually for dramatic comedy to work I feel it needs to let the viewer know early on that the story will feature both....the sudden drama thing generally is a result where a funny film needs an ending and a story needs to be fabricated hastily.
Melodrama is like genre mixes. If it does work it can be something special, but it's really hard to write and most directors just lack the talent to do so. It's like a comedy that turns serious at some point. It CAN work, but there aren't many cases where that happens. Usually they're just alienating their comedy fans and the drama fans weren't there to begin with.
Same here
I think some really old Euro movies, latin ones especially get away with melodrama well because the acting was different and more theatrical .
If the mekodramatics can properly cast a spell on a viewer, I am open to it if the writers strong enough but in general, when I'm watching something, the best stories are the ones where the atmosphere is so assure I forget I'm watching fiction.
I know they just want to make their audience feel good but I think it's a terrible moral or idea. Especially since most people know at least one person they loved that died from such illnesses. No matter what they did or tried to do to overcome it.
Yeah exactly. Honestly most cancer movies are terrible I think. I also hate these series in which the main character, I don't know, wins a match for his cancer-ridden love and then s/he recovers.
@Amagi: Too silly for me, the psycho faces.
@Kaiser: Not using music can be a great method to illustrate serious moments I think.
I've spoken to my father about this, who recovered from cancer years ago, those kind of phrases irritate him, hr said " don't battle, fight cancer, you fucking suffer through it, then if your lucky you get through it"
I mean, again, I loved Madoka but I see how this method they used is kinda cheap. It's still better than many other series of that type. I am aready looking forward to see how terrible Magical Girl Site is, the trailer looks like a psycho face trash fest.
The really annoying thing is when some of these docs and dramas use phrases like "her battle, her FIGHT, her BRAVE fight against cancer.
I enjoyed Madoka but I know what you mean. I think I will never rewatch Madoka but I love to see certain Tutu- and Sailor Moon scenes from time to time. I think Madoka is kinda similar to netflix shows or code geass in that regard. It always ends with some evil cliffhanger to hype you up for the next episode and it throws in one shocking revelation after another for the same reason.
@Amagi: On the music thing, some documentaries do this. What I loved about Shoah and night and fog is that the directors showed the landscapes/buildings where it happened and never used music.
I mean I know how bad ww2 and other things were. I really don't need rain, sad music and lots of actor tears to realize that. It reminds me of the laughing tracks sitcoms have that tell you when you have to laugh. And newer movies have exaggerated effects as well, not a fan of that. I rather see well thought-out content than a bomb-show. Not to mention that I hate sensory overload.
Its also kind of why I can NEVER look at hentai of something I enjoyed when I was young.
Which I admit is bias and a crap opinion lol
I grew up with Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailormoon and looking into lighthearted mahou shoujo , I don't mind nanoha and tutu, but there was always the feeling madoka was corrupting something.
On dark moe, I've stopped with lol edgy when criticizing Madoka, I realize that its the equivalent to Batman porn to me, the idea of that level of a slant on a genre I went for when I was a kid.
I agree. I was interested in Schindler's List when I was ~12 or so because it was something new for me. Nowadays I realize it's not really my thing, there are many western war shows that come of as too "pathetic" to me, they feel too much like, well, Hollywood blockbusters (which is what they actually are) than a serious commetary on war or so.
@Amagi: Thats the trouble I have with Hollywood , a film about Autism like Rain man or a mental illness movie like I am Sam, these American movies never seem real and the depictions feel so hammy and inaccurate.
On the dark moe trope, rather than throwing out words on it, its the tonal inconsistency that gets to me.
Yeah the opposite is bad as well. A show can have good intentions, even lots of good ideas but still have a bad execution.
Schindler's list is a great example of this, personally I think popcorn drama/oscar baiting the holocaust is somewhat distasteful and the film comes off as comparitively ingenuinely when I've seen a couple of eastern war films by people who actually lived during the war.
And "egdy" is very much about the tone a series has and not so much the actual content. Therefore it has to be explained as well, a dark series, even one with lots of blood, isn't necessarily edgy, it depends on the stance the autor has, whom we're supposed to root for and why, how characters and scenes are depicted and the overall tone, moral and so on.
On another note, to go back to "critic proof", this is a terrible practice because it allows people to take an easy topic for a story and it become forbidden to give a bad review.
Yeah, "badly written" for example doesn't mean anything unless you're gonna illustrate how it is badly written by showing and analyzing examples from the show and explain why the writing for these scenes is weak
Thats why I like here, people actually talk about a show in some detail, even the reviewers.
An non-backed up opinion when I'm looking for a show to follow doesn't tell me anything, how am I meant to know to watch something based on a single word or sentence?
I suppose its less of a case of buzzwords and more how people don't explain anything . The reason I say I have to do a 300 word review or long opinion on something is because I feel buzzwords and one word/one sentence opinions are un-helpful.
@Amagi: And I think thats certainly an issue, the lines being bkurred between shitposting/trolling and genuine critique .
I mean there are a lot of badly written shows out there or shows that are too tryhard, but people often use these phrases as buzzwords for everything and don't state reasons for using these terms for a specific show. I see tons of "egdy" posts as soon as a series is a bit darker than the usual harem and it's hard to distinguish these pieces from actual shitposts or trolls.
It sounds better to say that I don't like something because it's too egdy, too stupid and pure pandering (when it's about moe) or "badly written" than saying that I can't relate to certain settings, characters and so one or that I've seen a certain idea too often.
@Kaiser: I think many people just don't want to admit that disliking a series is usually a subjective thing. They rather want to credit their own intelligence for not liking it.
New Boogiepop anime announced for 2018 o/
Alita, eden endless world , ghost in the shell, Lain , blame, biomega , the Japanese perfected a genre America started.
@Vonter: Well deserved oscar for the visuals definately, Deakins got his overdue reward.
Tetsuo , bubblegum crisis, cyber city oedo are other good ones as was goku midnight eye.
@Vonter: It was the rebellion bit that got me worried if they were planning some sort of follow up.
I, robot eh? I remember that one, I don't mind Will Smith but he's not convincing in a serious role.
The replicants preparing for war, took me out of the movie, since it was delivered like a footnote for your action blockbuster, kinda like how they ripped apart I, Robot.
Still I got reminded why it inspired manga and anime like Akira, Cowboy Bebop and many others. There's a lot of atmosphere, and like I said, the visual storytelling is very strong. Since there were a lot of double meanings to several shots early in in the film. The egomaniac Jesus wannabe villain felt very odd, especially his speechifying.
But I'll have to see it again with that extended cut when I'm less the victim of hype.
Theres a certain idea of....they made an OKAY blade runner sequel, it wasn't allowed to be bad or great.
@Vonter: Its a case really of, you had a four star film! Then turned it into a three star!
Then again I am interested when Denis will be going back to his arthouse films instead.
I hope they aren't going for a sequel though.
It does add to the humanity of the replicants but I felt the ending cruel on Goslings character.
Jowie was a bit fanservicey.
And it was kinetic aswell.
What I'm hoping for is that in the extended cut it'll iron and smooth out the film and improve it.
@Vonter: The last act I thought was overstuffed .
@Vonter: But I felt the villain undercooked and its impossible to match up to Roy Batty from the first one.
@Vonter: I felt it was some of Rodger Deakins stronger work on the visual front and Ryan Goslings acting style suited playing a replicant, it invokes the atmosphere better than the first and I loved the idea of the replicants being able to give birth.
I watched Bladerunner 2049 yesterday. I liked 3/4 of it. I don't get why the last fourth was added, it really felt like they put another half hour to make the movie longer. I mean the first half is full of quiet and visual storytelling and the last part adds a lot of things that aren't even solved. I did like the production design stuck to the original.
@Aidan: When I'm review a film, as a general rule, if I can't get 200-300 words at least, there just doesn't seem any point in writing it.
Oh indeed they can, but I feel they can come off as lazy go to words.
But I do understand the frustration with lazy criticism.
Admittedly we all, myself included do fall back on lazy buzzwords but
Edgy and too melodramatic can be legitimate criticisms. Though both are ways of saying trying too hard
And its just plain lazy opinion giving/feedback usually.
Things end up becoming critic proof because of this.
I just hate how when it comes to complaining about pandering and tokenism or a bad film about something important falls into some idiot retorting with ad homminem shouting "U don liek dis coz u racist"
Or people who don't understand that something doesn't have to have answers, coherency or a traditional narrative.
You have eyes and its a visual medium, use them.
complaining about there not being enough exposition is also a worthless criticism.
And "edgy" or "too melodramatic".
One sentence/one-word criticism such as "too long ", "slow and boring" , "Too old" , "Its in black and white", "pretentious", "masterpiece", "Too thematic over character/story", "last film I saw is the best film ever", "It has subtitles" and of course saying something is racist or misogynistic to the point where those words don't mean what they mean anymore.
I know this is complaining for the sake of it, but I find myself tired of seeing buzz-phrases for criticism.
I kind of don't care to even really watch either show, its a case of couldn't be bother based on a glance, neither jump out at me and I was never really hyped for either nor heard/followed much discussion on them.
Bloody hell I haven't even finished watching B yet and Netflix has out another anime. Have not heard much on this one besides the advice to avoid the dub like the plague. Seems like a really bad dub.
Thankfully didn't miss any important scenes .
Y'know, its nice to know there are decent skins/people out there, was catching We were never really there at the arthouse cinema but ended up getting ill, staff noticed and brought me out for a free drink and we talked about the movie so far while I got better over a few minutes.
Watched it and B: The Beginning. Found both of them pretty nice. Like not great, but good or okay
AICO is released on netflix now too
At least officially they said before they don't plan stop supporting 3DS. Lot of people are speculating that they are gonna do that since Switch is pretty much a handheld, but who knows, maybe they actually plan considering Switch homeconsole and have handheld alongside it? If nothing else, I guess Switch can't do the two screens thing.
AidanAK47 - They'll put games on the 3DS until Switch catches up to it. I think.
@Anon, and the highlight of the event. What looks to be a brand new smash bros.
Ports are good for the Switch but I don't really see the reasoning behind porting Luigi's mansion to the 3DS. Honestly I don't really get why they are still putting out games for it.
It's the most surprising how few GC games are rereleased. I mean apart from the Zeldas and now Luigi's Mansion.
So hey. There was a Nintendo Direct. Tons of ports for both 3DS and Switch. I suppose if one missed something it might be a good thing to try to get it now.
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