Posted by psgels on 4 July 2010 with categories: Anime Reviews, Full Metal Alchemist - Brotherhood




Because the first season of Full Metal Alchemist went with its own story, it turned out to be one of the most famous anime of the decade, and the manga was finally about to finish, it maybe wasn’t much of a surprise that Bones ended up animating the story of the manga. And they really made sure to give it a top notch treatment here!

Especially in the past few years, the trend has grown in which series should consider themselves lucky if they can get 26 episodes, or even enough time to animate the entire story on which they’re based. Full Metal Alchemist is different, however: with 64 episodes, it received just the right length in order to tell the full story of the Full Metal Alchemist manga, and boy is it an awesome one!

The story here is completely different from the first season, but I ended up liking it a lot better with the different focus. It’s still focused on a ton of action-scenes, but the story around it is deep, well fleshed out and mature, especially for a series with many shounen elements. The world that the series is set in is well fleshed out, multi-layered and quite detailed.

Another huge focus of this series is the time it spent on characters preparing. With the epic nature of this series, a lot of time is actually spent on the lead characters, finding allies to help them. The cast of this series is huge, but everyone in this series has his or her own part to play in the large scheme of things. The length also allows the creators to really look at all of them and their motivations, backgrounds and purposes, in order to make all of them unique, with excellent results.

What you get is an epic action series with plenty of depth to come by, carefully paced and wrapped up in the end with a finale that’s full of adrenaline. However, you should note that the first fifteen episodes or so follow pretty much the same story as the first Full Metal Alchemist TV-series, and it’s clear that at that point, the creators try to get through these parts as fast as possible in order to get to the new material, compared to the very slowly paced first season.

It of course depends on how keen you’re into seeing the same things again, but there are some notable differences between the two. Brotherhood cuts some of the useless fluff of the first season away, like the moments that were just there to show contrived situations for the lead character to save the day, though it also cuts away a lot of the minor character-building scenes. Don’t worry though, because after 16 episodes, the series continues with a completely different story that in my eyes completely surpasses the original Full Metal Alchemist.

It’s a definite recommendation if you’re looking for something epic. Despite being 64 episodes, Bones keep a surprisingly good animation quality throughout the series, especially the action-scenes themselves look gorgeous for such a long series. The soundtrack also fully captures the grant atmosphere of the story, and will make sure for a show that will keep you entertained.

We here have a series that really made excellent use of its opportunity to finally show an epic story that goes beyond even 52 episodes, while always keeping on track and not losing itself somewhere in the middle. The creators had a really excellent manga to base themselves on, and even though they did not keep to the manga for 100%, the way they brought it to animation still deserves to be applauded.

Storytelling: 9/10 – Well paced and varied in the long run, exciting and engaging in the short run.
Characters: 9/10 – A ton of different characters, most of them get their chance to show off themselves and get some depth. Plenty of character-development as well.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Great animation from Bones, plus an excellent soundtrack.
Setting: 10/10 – Excellent in its depth and multiple layers, focusing both on the big picture as the individual details. Successfully brings many different stories together.

Suggestions:
Bounen no Xamdou
– Vision of Escaflowne
Nadia – The Secret of Blue Water

42 Responses

  1. Watcherzero says:

    Maybe im the odd one out then of prefering the original, now the series are identical for the first 25% or so (though second series covered events faster) but I though the anime writers did great work at guessing what direction the manga would take, and you have to admit they guessed a lot of what would happen correctly.

  2. Bruce says:

    I still have to finish this; still on episode 58.

    I thought the first series had much better drama, but not nearly as good of a plot (and that movie was just a dumb attempt to make money).

  3. Kim says:

    Fullmetal Alchemist is a very special series to me. It’s a series I followed for about 6 years and it’s probably the only long time series I have followed that has not let me down once. Brotherhood did not exactly live up to the manga for me (but with how I feel about the manga that was probably an impossible task). Still I am glad Brotherhood was created for people who don’t read manga who could discover this series as well.

    @ Watcherzero the first anime team did not guess. Arakawa told them her ending from the beginning and asked them that they make a different ending from hers. I am guessing they just kept some similar plot points. Still the themes and the way the characters developed are quite different in the two series and that is why I will always prefer the manga/Brotherhood. For me the manga was always about hope and pushing forward despite what happened in the past. It was also very much about the human spirit. That humanity might be weak but we don’t give up and we rely on others that is our strength.

  4. JBM says:

    Both the first and the second series had their good and weak points. The drama is much more emotional and heart wrenching in the first series but everything as a whole was more cohesive in the second series. And just like what psgels has pointed out, the series was very good at producing a stunning climax after a good amount of build up unlike the first series which IMO fell flat in the end after what I believed was still an amazing build up and the follow up movie just made it worse. Anyway, it was one hell of an amazing series. The comparisons will now come in threes: the first series, the second series and the manga. It all ends up with a matter of taste. I prefer the second series and in some aspects and chapters, I prefer the anime version over the manga counterpart. But all in all, the FMA franchise is amazing.

  5. Patrick says:

    As JBM pointed the first series (should not be called 1st season) was MUCH more “emotionally engaging”, and for me that’s what made FMA, at least for me. In the second series I watched 15 ep or so and found I felt nothing so I dropped it.

  6. Denizen says:

    The first series was not “emotionally engaging” in so much as it was just melodramatic, forcing soapy drama in places it didn’t even need to happen. Here’s a flashback, this is serious, omg how sad, etc.

    The second series was dramatic too, but it usually applied it in more striking and upbeat ways – for example, my absolute favourite scene in Episode 19, where Mustang kills Lust, was done in a way to make it as impressive and simply badass as possible. No depth, no heartbreaking last wishes, just an awesome climax.

    The first series probably would have tried to make it into some emotionally charged scene about “Lust’s last regrets” or something like that, when it just didn’t fit.
    FMA was always intended to be a homage of sorts to B-Movies, so it always had cheese to balance the more serious storytelling – the first series didn’t have this, so by using Arakawa’s setting it always ended up not quite working. The new series just worked much better.

    Also, wtf, dropping a series just after its started going in its own direction? That’s so dumb.

  7. Patrick says:

    Denizen It’s your opinion and I respect it (not your way of doing it) but I feel otherwise. I just felt nothing watching second series I don’t know how to explain it better.

  8. kagura says:

    @Patrick
    Have you actually read the whole review? ‘Cause psgels states pretty clearly that the first fifteen episodes cover the same material as the half of the first anime did, and that the creators probably wanted to get through those episodes as fast as possible, in order to get to the real meat of the story. So yeah, no wonder that the emotional impact of the first anime would be lost (although I agree with Denizen that it was too melodramatic for its own good). I think you should give Brotherhood a second chance before passing such a definite judgement.

    And psgels, this is really an excellent review, so all I can say is “thank you” :)

  9. Hana says:

    @ Patrick: You shouldn’t have dropped it after 15 episodes. That’s when it started to actually get good.

  10. jimao says:

    bunch of guys beating up a boss who wants to take over the world, and with no sacrifices on the good guys’ side (hell even mustang’s eyes were healed)…

    I understand everyone has different taste but this is ridiculous that no one here is standing up for FMA-2003.

  11. jimao says:

    @patrick: good decision. Brotherhood starts off as shounen, and quickly degerenates into even more shounenish cheese. I defy anyone to tell me the difference between brotherhood and yuyu hakusho, if there is any.

  12. MarieLuise says:

    The 1st series was a mess and full of plot holes but there was something incredible touching and intriguing about it. I felt so much for the characters. I remember Ed dying at the end, it was heart breaking. Even though I never really enjoyed the additional movie, there was bitterness in it which I really liked. It made me think, guess what it was all about. Maybe I just had this feeling BECAUSE the whole story Bones came up with made no sense, but it was extremly exciting to watch.

    And FMA Brotherhood? The story is much better – no doubt about that. And Bones did a better job I ever expected. But seriously: what should we learn at the end? What was it all about? I especially think about Ed fighting with father after Al went to the gate to give Ed back his arm. There was so much hatred in this scene (Ed extremly angry, the soldiers started to cry out loud: destroy him! Destroy him!), so again: what was it all about? David fighting against Goliath, killing him and dancing over his head? I know Arakawa put a lot of thouhgts in her story (Panteism etc.), but yeah.. in the end it was just about fighting, killing, winning, standing up and so on. It felt emotionally empty for me. Not to mention that I found it hard to understand and feel sympaty for characters like Mustang and Hawkeye. How many people did they kill in Ishbal? You can argue that was one of the good (and mature) points of the story (no black-white characters), but for me the whole series was full of strange morals. Not to mention that I got the impression Arakawa glorified the army the way she was portraying Olivier and her soldiers. Yeah, and Mustangs goal always was to became Führer (When I hear this word I always think about Hitler. He was the “Führer”). Why don’t decinde for a democracy and not a country leaded by the army? Well, maybe I’m just missing here something great. And maybe all of this was discussed before. In that case I appologize for my pointless post ;-)

  13. kaei says:

    @jimao: If you need someone to tell you the difference between Yuyu Hakusho and FMA, even if someone does tell you you probably won’t be able to grasp it. But whatever, I’ll give it a shot. For one thing, Yuyu Hakusho is a long running generic shounen manga with a never-ending list of enemies that degenerates quickly into a tournament style slugfest and fight of the week. FMA has a beginning, climax and end, and each fight had purpose and the author didn’t introduce new enemy after new enemy and infinite power-ups. FMA treated its female characters with respect; YYH’s females were just window dressing.

    Also, some sacrifices on the good guy’s side – Hohenheim, namely – doesn’t even get to see his grandchildren even though he finally wants to live. This is manga-only, but Havoc doesn’t get magically healed by the Philosopher’s stone – there is a picture of him undergoing physical therapy. Ed never gets his leg back. Good friends who died during the final fight stay dead. Hughes stays dead. Nina stays dead. Trisha stays dead. All the people killed in the making of Philosopher’s stones stay dead. Winry’s parents stay dead. These people have ALL sacrificed a lot, and the ending is about them picking themselves up and moving on and walking on their own two feet.

    OR did you want the ending to be a dismal hopeless slaughterfest with all the leads dead and the ones remaining crying before you consider it a good story?

  14. kaei says:

    @MarieLuise: You bring up good points on how you think the ending could have been better, eg. the democracy, decreasing the importance of the army, etc. but the only thing I can say is if you want that kind of story where those things happen, you’ll have to look elsewhere (and I agree with you that Mustang and Hawkeye et al. have committed war crimes, the army has too much importance etc.) Those things that you think should go, other people might appreciate them, and if the author changed it, it wouldn’t be Fullmetal Alchemist anymore.

    You may think you missed “something great” but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that – some stories just resonate better with some people than others =)

  15. Kim says:

    I am sorry but if the only thing that you can get out of the story is let’s kill the bad guys then you have serious comprehension issues. But I get it only things that end with angst, sacrifice, and suffering are deep. Don’t make me laugh.

    The brothers sacrificing themselves in the first series was not deep at all. It showed they learned absolutely NOTHING. What was the whole thing during the first Scar fight when Al told Ed not to waste his life. To live if you have a chance and maybe find a way to save poor girls like Nina.

    The characters in Brotherhood actually do something POSITIVE with their lives in the end. From Ed and Al traveling the world to thank all the people that helped them, to Al and Ed doing research to help people who were hurt by alchemy, to Roy working to overhaul the Ishval policy, to Scar trying to help the Ishval people not lose their culture. The manga is full of positive messages and hope about the future.

    And when Ed gave up alchemy (and didn’t sacrifice his life) he showed that he understands it is okay to not rely on this special power. He is okay with being a normal human being and relying on his friends (it was his reliance on his friends not alchemy that helped him win in the first place). This shows that Ed in Brotherhood actually developed and learned something through his experiences. This was the opposite of Father who wanted to be above everyone. Father’s arrogance is what caused him to lose.

  16. Kim says:

    Also yes Roy being healed by the Philosopher Stone might seem easy but in a sense it was the Ishvalans that were given him a second chance and he is using that chance to change the policy on Ishval.

    What do I mean the stone Marcoh gave him was made up of Ishvalans. The stone was then used by Kimbley to kill Ishvalans. The stone eventually falls into Al’s hands and he uses this to defeat Kimbley, and now Marcoh gives it to Roy (who also participated in the Ishval massacre) to change the Ishval policy. Thus the whole thing comes full circle.

    Also the Amestris world might eventually become a Democracy but that will take time.

  17. Meep says:

    Very well said, Kim~

  18. MarieLuise says:

    @kaei: thank you for your nice post :-)

    @kim: It seems it really is all about different tastes. You didn’t tell me something I didn’t know before and of course my opinion about the ending of the series didn’t change. I don’t need a sappy ending with lots of pointless drama to appreciate a story, but I do like some bitterness. I do like brothers who maybe don’t learn that much and maybe don’t get all of their goals (because I think that’s more “real” than such a overall happy ending). But at the same time I’m well aware that Arakawa always had such an happy ending in her mind, it is/was her way of storyteling. And if you like the whole story you have to like the ending too. I really think so, but I just fail on that.

    I will say it again: the end of FMA brotherhood was all about fighting, killing etc. You can use nicer words and say it was about getting your goals, fighting for your future, for the people you love, for friendship etc. I just felt the urge to kill and win at the end of the series and a toooo long battle with no real emotions in it (the scenes with Greed were ridiclous and incredible cheezy). And when Ed was calling Hohenheim “father” – I just knew he would do that, because I have seen such moments hundred million times before in movies, books etc.

    What you said about Roy and the stone: I don’t want to add something to that. It is a good example for the “strange morals” I talked about. It has to do with forgivness and getting the chance to do some good things (which was also a major theme of the series regarding the Ishbal massacre) but it made a strange aftertase in my mouth ;-)

    But don’t get me wrong. FMA is in my top 5 of favorite anime. And I was back then the first one who tried to convince psgels to blog this series.

    @psgels: I enjoyed your blogging about FMA very much. Thank you for that :-)

  19. Kim says:

    @Marie Luise,

    Although I don’t agree with everything you said my comment was not directed at you (well maybe the 2nd one about Roy but not the first one).

    This is an action/adventure series so yes there are fights. However people seem to forget there were fights in the first series too. If I recall in the final episode (or 2nd to last episode) it was Envy VS Ed. There were plenty of fights in the movie too. But there is still plenty of symbolism and message beyond the fights. And as for the fights I enjoyed the fact that EVERYONE was fighting together from the children to adults. That is something you don’t see in most stories.

    As for not getting what you want and not learning anything being more “real” no I don’t agree with that. It might be true in some cases but it certainly doesn’t have to be true. In fact that it is a very negative outlook on life.

    It’s also fine to enjoy a more bitter story. I usually prefer bitter sweet endings myself. I am just making a point that an ending does not have to be bitter to have depth.

  20. Ebod says:

    I never read/watched FMA for its DEEP SYMBOLIC MEANING, because while it had some, that really wasn’t its aim.

    FMA manga and brotherhood = awesome entertainment with good plot, amazing characters, and humor.

    FMA first anime = wangst wangst wangst plus even more. Not only was it a mood whiplash from the first half of the series following the manga, the ending, exactly as Kim said, showed that Ed and Al both learned NOTHING. Not having a happy ending =/= automatically equal AMAZING DEPTH. Each to their own, but I prefer it when my characters do a little more than just stand in the rain moping about their life. Also, Al had almost no personality left by the end of the first FMA anime.

  21. Deschain says:

    I have been following this blog since the first episode of Brotherhood (and since I never read the manga), I waited to throw in my two cents until it was over . This series was excellent plot driven series, but the first one was an excellent character driven story. I prefer character driven stories over plot ones, although I can enjoy both

    The first FMA did have an aim and it told it well. The first series was all about Alchemy and the process of how it works. Alchemy is a huge part of their world and everyone could use it with the proper training, it is an intricate part of their world. While Ed and Al believed alchemy could be used for good, positive goals, they quickly realized that the world doesn’t see it that way. The Homunculus were a clear example of the negative aspect of Alchemy. Pride, Lust, Envy, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Gluttony weren’t just characters, there were themes, sins that were present all throughout the anime. Seeing the Elric brothers confront these things and holding on to their beliefs shows resolve, not an inability to learn. To me the first series reflects our world as much as the one of Amestris and the goals of both the heroes and the villains, felt like something we all can relate to. To me they are both different animes. We already had the one that focused on the philosophy and their world. This one was sorely needed, especially for someone like me in order to get a full perspective on the FMA universe.

  22. Charred Knight says:

    @Jimao I defy you to tell me the difference between the first Fullmetal Alchemist and a funeral. Mizushima confused characters crying, talking about how depressing your life is, and characters dying useless deaths for actual drama. He completely misunderstood what the series was about. Also is comparing something to Yuu Yuu Hakusho supposed to be an insult? Once you grow up maybe we can debate some anime instead of hearing about how angst = art.

  23. Deschain says:

    This is the kind of crap I hate from people. Simplifying an anime like FMA and FMA Brotherhood is the pure sign of stupidity. FMA Brotherhood is not like Yu Yu Hakusho. Does it share the same aspects? Sure, but a lot if not all anime share certain traits that adhere to formula. That is just one side to FMA Brotherhood not the whole.

    As for the Mizushima statement. Wow, this person looked at the manga and noticed a principle, a law of equivalency and crafted a story that stimulates emotion and thought. If you didn’t catch that then that’s sad. And FMA was not angst in the way you are describing it. FMA was about seeing the world for what it truly was, a place filled with individuals who posses the knowledge and ability to help others and instead use it to further their own agendas. Having you principles and beliefs questioned and challenged is an intense experience. If you failed to see that aspect then fine that’s you, but don’t simplify it to angst alone. He wasn’t trying to follow the same kind feeling in the manga, he focused on a human story and it was good

  24. Kim says:

    @ Deschain

    When I said I felt Ed and Al didn’t learn anything in the first series I was talking specifically about the scene when they both sacrificed themselves for each other. This scene was a disappointment for me. And in general the development of Ed and Al was a disappointment for me. However I can’t say they learned absolutely nothing in the course of the series. I believe they learned the world is not perfect, bad things can be done with alchemy, and you can’t get everything you want in the end. I am not too fond of the themes in the first series but these themes were presented well.

    However Ed and Al in Brotherhood and the manga stuck to their beliefs too: To not use others in their quest to get their bodies back (this is why Ed refused to use Hohenheim’s last soul or the P.Stone but instead came up with his own way to get Al back). So you see Ed and Al not only hold on to their beliefs in the manga storyline but also succeed because of what they learned through their experiences (that they did not succeed by alchemy but through the help of others).

    Learning something and sticking to your beliefs is not mutually exclusive.

  25. Deschain says:

    @Kim
    So basically what you are saying is that the ending was bad. I can see how that can happen, but sacrificing themselves and not using others was presented in the first series as well. Ed didn’t use the prisoners to transmute them into a philosopher’s stone. When Al realized that Wrath had Ed’s limbs he was going to “rip” them off, but he refrained from that. When Al became a Philosopher’s Stone, Ed refused to use his powers out of fear it may destroy Al; which is the exact same thing with Hohenheim wanting to use his life for Al in Brotherhood. Granted I do like Brotherhood’s solution better, but in the first series, Ed realized that he can’t have it all. Saving his brother’s life and restoring his body was much more important than receiving his limbs. Once again that was demonstrated in Brotherhood when Al sacrificed himself. So in general both shows exhibited the same ideas, but they both stuck to their own themes. In the end of the first series it wasn’t about simply restoring a limb or a body, it was to restore life. A life for a life is equivalent exchange which was the whole theme of the the first series, but instead of Ed receiving death, he was given the chance to live on and find a way back to his brother again.

  26. Watcherzero says:

    I think a good metaphor is how its so easy to tell the difference between CGI and film, CGI is too perfect, theirs too few defects, dirt, cracks or imperfections and so the eye can always tell which is the better more realistic version.

    In the same way the first series had this, people died pointlessly, people didnt learn from their mistakes, charachters had to wing it when their plans didnt always work. This was much more reflective of real life than the second series where everyone was perfect, every death was a noble and meaningful sacrifice, people always learned from their mistakes and everything always went to plan.

    To me the first series was film, the second was CGI.

  27. Kim says:

    I am sorry but just because a character grows and learns something from their experience does not make it fake. That’s called character development and good writing.

    In real life people DO learn from their mistakes, they DON’T always die needless deaths, and people DO get happy endings. I don’t think the ending of the 2nd series is perfect I find it hopeful & positive. That doesn’t make it any less poignant and real than the first series with all its forced emotion and needless melodrama.

  28. Kim says:

    I should add I don’t think there is anything wrong with preferring the more dramatic/darker first series to the more hopeful/lighter 2nd series. But when you say one is film the other is CGI or one is art the other is trash. That is what I have an issue with because it is complete nonsense.

  29. psgels psgels says:

    Whoa there, there’s no need to look at this in such a black and white way. In real life, it’s not like people either learn from all their experiences or the other way around, instead they learn from some cases, while at others they don’t.

    Personally my biggest gripe against the first season wasn’t this overacting. There are plenty of other shows that have that and where it works. I wouldn’t say that it’s not understanding the manga, instead it’s just a completely different interpretation. Nothing wrong with that.

    Instead, I did not like how the first season had so many forced plot points. The first half suffered because it tried too hard to make Ed like a hero by making him run into situations in which he conveniently save the day in half-assed stories. In the second half, it was the tendency of the creators to bring back characters who had no business being there. These characters were in most cases completely shallow (the biggest example I can think of right now being Rose) and took time and focus away from the characters that really mattered.

  30. Kim says:

    Whoa there, there’s no need to look at this in such a black and white way. In real life, it’s not like people either learn from all their experiences or the other way around, instead they learn from some cases, while at others they don’t.

    To clarify I wasn’t trying to say that things always work out for people in real life either. Sometimes they don’t but at the same time sometimes they do. And neither situation is more realistic than the other. So I agree with you. :)

  31. Reltair says:

    Awesome series that are also long are so rare these days…

  32. Scytheslash says:

    I get a bad feeling the movie is going to be an intersection of the previous FMA characters and Brotherhood characters…….. maybe Dante will make an appearance again? Revisiting Ishvaal seems pointless, after it has been resolved in the show

  33. Bobby says:

    i am a little confused as to what exactly the brotherhood movie can cover. i mean, after defeating a guy who was essentially a god, what kind of decent bad guy can they create that ISN’T a total (KITTEN) by comparison (lol)

    the review and grade is pretty spot on IMHO

  34. Ive says:

    I will say it again: the end of FMA brotherhood was all about fighting, killing etc.

    Thank God. I’m tired of series where people try to stay away from fighting and killing the enemy because of their idiotic morals. I was fine with Ed saving Pride, but if he and the rest of the soldiers weren’t cheering for Father’s death, something would be terribly lacking.

    I’m not saying that peace isn’t a good thing, and that morals are always idiotic; not at all. I’m just… so tired of good guys not killing the main, evil bad guys. If a person like Father, or Kimblee (who I actually really like as a character) is in my grasp, that is it: I would take their life and never think twice about it. They are evil, and they must be stopped. That in and of itself can be a moral, too, I suppose.

    I also really like the Ishbalan Massacre and its implications on the soldiers in general. They were ‘only following orders’, but since they were still human, they had deal with their obediance. It was really… rather nice, in its own way.

    Oh, I loved all the FMA series. I liked this series more then the First Series by a long shot, though I’d consider the Manga tied with Brotherhood.

    The biggest problems with this series, and I know there are a few of them, that I can think off top hand are the start of the series (but that was inevitable, unforunately), the ‘last minute save’ (this one irritates me in all forms of media, though), and the lack of good characters dying. I don’t want it to be a total death-march, but…

  35. Ibrahim Peasnell says:

    I decided to drop this series around episode thirty when the plot became more complicated and characters reappearing in this series. One element of this series I dislike is the character designs and art director of this series compared to the previous series of FMA. I did watch the last couple of episodes just for interest sake, and I can say that the ending of FMA:Brotherhood is a bit better then the previous series of FMA, though the music was better in the first series of FMA then FMA:Brotherhood. Overall, I would say that FMA:Brotherhood is a nice addition to the FMA franshise though prefer the first series of FMA over the second due to that I prefear good music and character designs over a better plot of FMA:Brotherhood.

  36. Tan-Tan says:

    The fact that a lot of people are arguing about FMA:Brotherhood means it’s an awesome series :D A lot of you seem to argue about the battle in the end. I understand we view this as “barbarism” but do you really know the meaning of the final battle? A struggle between forces?

    @jimao: World domination was never the goal of Father. By saying that, I already know you didn’t understand the story. Father wants to learn more of the world and to be the “perfect being”. He already thinks he is above humans and simply wishes to “be more”.

    People consider Brotherhood having a happy ending. And apparently, they don’t like the fact that none of the main characters die because of the “lack of sacrifice” and probably pissed of (@jimao again) that Roy got his eyes back.

    Yes, well, we do enjoy misery more than happy endings :P We seem to be unable to accept happiness happening totally.

  37. israel8491 says:

    I think this is a very good grade. FMA Brotherhood was an amazing anime, but it was not without flaws.
    I got introduced to the manga first. I fell head over heels in love, and from there I went to the anime. I watched the first episode of the first anime before calling it quits. I hated the art. It was just bad. I read the new plot line on various sites and from there I’ve gotten a good idea of how the anime-verse works. I think it has some interesting ideas, but it can’t hold a candle to the manga-verse.
    Brotherhood I really loved. I wasn’t very pleased when it deviated from the manga, but I understood. The only thing I disliked was the first episode (what’s with that, both animes have sucky first episodes?) but after that it got great. I really liked the art, especially in comparison to the first anime’s.
    In the end, Brotherhood was a great anime and I’m so glad it got to run for as long as it did.
    To everyone who wanted more people to die, *ahem*: Nina, Alexander, Tucker, Hughes, Lust, Envy, Sloth, Gluttony, Wrath, Greed, Father, Hohenheim, Buccaneer, Fu, about ten thousand Ishvalans, who knows how many soldiers, Trisha, Barry, Slicer, everyone from the Devil’s Nest, Cornello….
    Really? You want more? I’m amazed at how many people survived.
    And after all the stuff they’ve been through, I think the characters have earned their happy ending.

  38. Mr. Derrrrp says:

    Fullmetal Alchemist is GOD. plain and simple.
    The english dub is excellent as well.
    Now go to your room!

  39. gedata says:

    I guess I’m the only one who was legitimatley amazed by what both series did

  40. ArmourBB says:

    I need to say that I love that extra jab the manga take at the 2003 anime when Riza said:
    ‘Is Ed going to sacrifice himself to bring Al back?’
    and Roy answered: ‘No, because he knows the pain of being left alone and he wouldn’t put Al through that.’

    This. So much.

    TAKE THAT fma2003

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SuperMario
Don't know about this new Re:Creators episode since I haven't watched it, but I don't really mind Meteora. Her dialogues scream "exposition" but she still fits well to the story. The fights are good, I agree, but why didn't they go all the way with the world's collapse last episode?
Anonymous1202407
Whether Nisekoi is pandering or not, it is not enough proof for you to suggest that manga industry is shit. If u want good mainstream then its not that hard to find. Also for every success like Nisekoi which u claim to be pandering, there are dozen like it that failed to be popular. Why? Because it clearly is popular for a reason other than just simple pandering.
SuperMario
Ha, Ping Pong. I need that kind of show again in my life.
Lenlo
Also, Ping Pong is amazing.
Lenlo
Theres a difference between pandering to a large audience, and an anime/manga with a quality story that everyone ends up liking. Ive always found moe shows and things like Nisekoi to be the former.
Anonymous1202407
If you have a problem with it after trying it just dont read it. Its that simple. Also what a surprise that a show like nisekoi that appeals to a large demographic is popular. U want the mangaka to apologize it's not some art house story like Ping Pong?
Lenlo
Meteora is pretty hit or miss with her dialogue imo. Sometimes its great, othertimes its not. I can say though I enjoy most of the fights.
Anonymous1202113
I really want to like Re:Creators. To be honest though, I'm getting tired of the dialogue. It has its high points, but it sometimes just seems to drone on and on, especially with all of Meteora's "hypotheses."
KT
Both Bahamut and RE:Creators had great episodes. But I was indeed mentally screaming Super Smash Bros at RE:Creators. You will get the point when you watch the episode.
AidanAK47
Taken on it's own, Nisekoi is harmless. But it is undeniably proof that you need not be creative or innovative to succeed in the industry. In fact declaring creative bankruptcy could turn more fruitful than genuine effort.
AidanAK47
And I said how can you decide you don't like something if you haven't read it?
Of course you are likely mean that if you don't like something then give up on reading it further which of course does not mean that someone cannot complain about it regardless.
Anonymous1198985
No, Im said if you dont like nisekoi dont read it
AidanAK47
@Anon, How do you know you don't like it if you don't read it?
Anonymous1196967
Don't like it don't read it.
AidanAK47
I went and read Double Arts. This really was a great manga with tons of potentail and truly didn't deserve the axe. It's so depressing that this was cut off so soon and the author went on to make the most generic Harem ever Nisekoi, and that got over 200 chapters.
Lenlo
All of the important dance scenes for Yuri were fantastic, its just some minor one off characters and some reused ones that were an issue, so no they are better than the CGI
Anonymous1190387
Is it worse than those CGI dance scenes in some anime?
AidanAK47
@Puran, It is pretty surprising how well that story turns out. I say IG might do the job even if there animation isn't the most consistent. The one thing I am worried about is those necks though. In the PV those things were ridiculously long.
Puran
Fair enough, recycling the animation was bad, agreed. But the animation itself was really good.
Lenlo
See, I found the repeated dances in Yuri one of the worse parts. Alot of it was recycled animation and certain characters were obviously rushed/not done. Some were amazing, cause they took their time, but others looked terrible.
Puran
I kinda wish Mappa was doing the anime though. Yuri on Ice had really nicely animated dances (and was more or less the only actually good quality of that show :P )
Puran
Reading the Ballroom e Youkoso manga has made me really excited about the Anime.
Kaiser_Eoghan
@Aidan: I'm particularly turned off by bully/bullying cliches these days. I've only read the first two volumes to see how awful she was but I ended up simply losing track of the series and stopped reading.
Kaiser_Eoghan
@Mario: Actually that has changed, I had to pick a different day to see it given changes in schedule, I've booked it for NEXT Wednesday now. I've watched Akira about four times.
AidanAK47
Oh, Rising of the Shield Hero is getting an anime adaption. Hmmm...honestly after finishing the series and looking over it as a whole I am not sure I even want that. Plus seeing Bitch Animated...would fill me with rage.
SuperMario
I intend to re-watch Akira soon, probably this weekend. It has been almost 10 years since my first watch and now I don't remember much about that one. Thought it was intriguing and complex but not as acclaimed as people hyped it to be (I'll pick Ghost in the Shell anytime). Wonder how I'd feel now after re-watching it.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I remember you mentioned that you were going to watch In this Corner of the World today right? How was the movie Kaiser?
Lenlo
Oh cool, food wars is getting a 3rd season
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ballroom youkoso appears to be leading the polls.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Fumiko is a female mangaka yes. Also I found bokura no hentai worth reading.
SuperMario
yep, I finished that manga too and I have conflicted feeling about it. Yuri(!) part and fanservice are to blatant but they have a purpose. This mangaka (not sure but I think she's a girl) has some unique voice.
AidanAK47
....well I skimmed that manga. And it was weird
SuperMario
By all appearances,Sakura is normal,albeit sheltered junior high school girl who enjoy talking about love and walking home from school together.However,they also happen to inhabit a strange and supernatural world populated by mysterious,gigantic beings and unusual plant and animal life.Amid their peaceful lives,Sakura becomes very interested in something only alluded to exist in old books: dicks
SuperMario
Here's a synopsis of other manga from the same author, I think you'll have a better idea of his theme -
Sakura no Sono
AidanAK47
Pretty much what Masky said. I am not really praising it. Anyway I plan to read one or two more chapters to see where it's going. But if it's going in the direction I think it's going then I am dropping this one fast.
Kaiser_Eoghan
There is of course the underlying concern that it will go a very ugly route with that development or it could become edgy/horribly minipulative, but for now it is as mario said, a hook.
SuperMario
Well. overall I don't dislike what I read there. It has good hook and I'm intrigued to know more what the hell will happen. Good set-up for me. I'm in
SuperMario
@Masky: it's fine Masky, since I will chec itk out any way and see it for myself ^^
Masky
So since you guys started being interested, I checked it out and uh.. Yeah, not reading. I think ye guys misunderstood Aidans warnings since that was just fucked up and not in the interesting way.
Lenlo
@Aidan: Berserk will never again go more than 3-4 months without a hiatus.
SuperMario
Hmmm, that manga Cutie Mutie sounds good to me. I might check it out later today
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: But had you not alluded to that scene, I may have seen the cover of that manga and skipped over it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I had a feeling, sort of, sad, I am intrigued to read more.
AidanAK47
Hyping and warning are not the same thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well with Aidan hyping up the horrors of cutie mutie I may as well glance at it to see what he' on about.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There are three manga with the name rec.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am familiar with the artist for cutie mutie, she did that manga about the three kids dealing with gender/orientation issues.
AidanAK47
Oh look Berserk is on Haitus again....
.....the sad thing is that it comes as expected now.
AidanAK47
For reference the two I read were Cutie Mutie and Rec. Be warned, the first one goes to a rather uncomfortable level.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Read two manga. One started lighthearted and then went to really dark territory. The other one looks like it's about a really dark subject but turned out to be something more lighthearted.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Alright. Tested it now so it such be fixed. Try again.
Masky
@Aidan: Huh? What you read that turned dark/didn't turn dark? .-.
SuperMario
"too many answers selected for question 1! only 3 answers allowed!"
SuperMario
@Aidan: I still have the same issues. Weird
AidanAK47
@Mario, Wasn't my intent. Try it now and you should be able to pick as many as you want.
SuperMario
@Aidan: I'm not allowed to vote more than 3 votes. Is it your intention Aidan?
AidanAK47
Well that was weird. I read something that looked innocent but turned out to be really dark. Then something that looked really dark only to become innocent.
Masky
Yeah, nothing that interests me I see :D Like my strongest reaction to season preview was "Someone made isekai with smartphone? Really? REALLY? Thats best idea you had"
Masky
Ah Knighs and Magic, found that manga. It was boring enough for me to forget its name. Also besides being boring, I kinda find MC unlikeable since their only personality is that they like mechas and were a programmer before renicarnating as short bishie kid
Masky
Woo, time to vote stuff
SuperMario
@Kaiser: that movie In this Corner just getting more and more acclaimed huh? Thou I think it'a a type of movie that if you have high expectation for it you will likely be disappointed. It works best as a sleeper hit
SuperMario
As for cute monster girls, most of the time I don't find them cute at all. I know I'm being racist, but...
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I'm guilty with that cute girls genre, as i enjoyed K-On tremedously for example. Or If I have more time I'd follow Hinako Note this season ^^
Kaiser-Eoghan
They don't always adapt all that well or work as well outside of manga format, especially 4-komas.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*three
Kaiser-Eoghan
The only two of any interest were hidamari sketch, azumanga daioh and yuru yuri and that was largely down to being in the mood for them a few years ago.
Lenlo
@Mario: Personally, I have 0 interest in this Monster girls doing cute things subgenre, just like I have very little interest in the cute girls doing cute things major genre.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: As it turns out I DID read in this corner of the world. I'll also be seeing it next thursday.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: at this moment I'm very skeptical with the whole Monster girls doing cute girl subgenre, so I'm approachig Centaur with a caution. Of course, it all depends on how I feel after the first episode
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Happy End isn't as bleak aa his other works. But it's certainly Hanake's films, as it explores many of his favorite themes: the voyeurist of camera in his Benny's video, the detachment to the world and the underlying violence. Not his best thou but it's still very good
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think I'd be up for watching jigoku shojo, its been a long time since I watched the original two seasons and this one won't be as long, so it won't get as repetitive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I voted centaur no nanami on the poll, think Mario could cover it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: How did did you get on with Happy end? I heard its like a mix of his best works. Is it as dark and depressing?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have vague memories of in the corner of the worlds manga, unless I'm mixing it up with something else.
SuperMario
Some news, Lu Over the Wall won the best prize at this year's Annecy (the 1st anime won the award since 1995's Pom Poko), with In the Corner of the World took the Jury Prize. Quite a good showing for anime this year.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Hello.
SuperMario
Really, still no vote for Kakegurui?? I thought it would take the top poll for sure
SuperMario
That 18if, even the poster doesn't make much sense, but it looks dazzling ^^
Lenlo
go-go licensed products!
SuperMario
@Lenlo: and Madhouse is the studio behind that Marvel rip-off. Are they really going that low for profits?
Lenlo
Lookin forward to Kakeguri next season, but thats the only thing thats really caught my eye
Lenlo
Well, you have to watch Marvel next season right?
AidanAK47
And done. I swear these previews take a lot out of me.
AidanAK47
Almost done....almost done...
KT
Attack of Titan, ended ok. But man the production values had gone down.

Virgin Soul had a okish episde

Re:Creators continues to rock for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I liked the 70s version ending, it was mean spirited =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The original used its one room location quite well and dim lighting in parts, very closed in/claustrophobic.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: just finished the Beguiled and it was much better than I expected. Like, I didn't expect it to be that well shot. The guy was put in a passive role than active here, which help the theme imo. Also, the ending admitedly isn't for everyone but I liked it just fine
SuperMario
@Kaiser: using a black girl? The girls in this one are all white :(
AidanAK47
Sato in Re:Creators isn't doing himself any favors is he? Honestly the more I learn about him, the less likable he becomes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It was a good film though, one of scarjos better moments.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: As for Sofia, I'm only familiar with lost in translation, which I haven't seen since it originally came out.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Everyone goes on about Francis' for the Godfather, the conversation is massively underated and apocalypse now is better, but it has to be the theatrical cut.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I guess it was probably seen as progressive in its day by way of using the black girl.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Very very cynically 70s of course.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Actually just happened to finish it there, I felt it stood out for its somewhat successful gothic feel and aesthetic and Eastwood's performance which shows how well he can command the audiences attention even when he isn't shooting people. Kind of liked how it got slightly grisly later on. It makes a small effort in giving one line backstories .
SuperMario
@Kaiser: the original movie isn't that well-received. It's more like an exotica film where the main guy (Clint Eastwood) hooks up girls of all ages. This one I heard has a good spin on feminist angle. I'm sure is intrigued but Sofia Coppola's filmography has been mixed for me
Kaiser-Eoghan
....I doubt any one has ever heard of this....I know I didn't, I haven't read it either but I came across some weird old Blacksploitation manga, probably from the 90s, Blast knuckle or something...
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Still remaking the beguiled might be good, we need more modern westerns.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I suppose I can busy myself with the original 70s version of beguiled. At the moment I've been focusing on old Japanese films, they had such a good film industry, it makes it hurt so much more now knowing that all they do now is shit live action adaptations.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: gonna be a long day for me with the screenings of The Beguiled, Wind River, The Other Side of Hope and Happy End
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now I need to re-watch 08th ms team.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I watched 4 hours straight of Gundam the origin, hit me with a hard punch of nostalgia, actually seeing his backstory rather than hearing about it is a good thing, I enjoyed the action scenes, it was high-melodrama but well used and more Char is always a good thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think I'll just put Kado on hold for now and see whats being said about future episodes of it, I'm too unsure of it being worth it or not at the moment.
Vonter
I want to comment on a humble indie game called Sakuna of Rice and Ruin. Is a simple hack and slash similar to Muramasa and Dust: Elysian Trail. The game has a scarf mechanic that is very fun to use to evade attacks and throwing stuff. It kind of reminded me of those Mickey games from the Snes and the visuals reminded me of Pocky and Rocky. Its a game to play on a sunday, simple, fun and relaxing.
Vonter
From the stuff I played Dragon Ball FigtherZ seems legit at capturing the speed of the battle and feel of the action.
Vonter
Back from E3. Nintendo is still my main jam. The Rabbids game seems better than I think anyone could imagine. Odyssey seems like a good time. Xenoblade and Metroid 2 remake look like hype.
KT
On Gundam OG, the new Origin Manga, and the movies based on it are very good. Recommended.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember reading the first chapter of that manga, but it was a long time ago and the updates were slow.
AidanAK47
A manga about Ballroom dancing? Yeah there's no way I am into this.
(Starts reading)
(Reads ten chapters)
Crap...I am into this.
Anonymous1166615
Feel I need to re-visit gundam again through 08th MS team, unicorn and Origin as I'd enjoyed the 70s series, its sequel and chars counterattack. Seed turned me off the franchise for ridiculously long and 00s movie and second season wern't as good as the first .
Anonymous1166615
Looks like I have another Yuasa work to look forward to, he's doing his own take off on Nagai's devilman , hopefully he can reign in Valvraves writer though.
Masky
*first manga in couple last weeks I've seen
Masky
Da fuq. Found manga called Kemono Jihen, but it somehow already has tv tropes page(I tend to check randomly whether works have tv tropes page to see how notable they are) O_o I mean this is first manga with 1-3 chapters that has that, so I guess author is really popular or something in some circles?
Lenlo
Huh. Guess they figured out rewriting a story for Re:Creators.
Masky
Ya know, even if i hadn't heard that Suka Suka is based on one of more tragic light novels, the death flags, all of the death flags :D
HelghastKillzone
I'm a patron of someone who is writing mass effect fanfiction at 2 million+ words. It combines games, writing and fan creativity. So there is that....
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, while I listened to some Lovecraft audiobooked, I felt as if I was copping out by listening instead of reading.
Kaiser-Eoghan
A horror manga often works well episodically in a short story format.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Had a flick through Shibito, of what I read I liked how ridiculously camp and gleefully, proudfully nutso it was combined with the silliness of the violence. While not my favourite chapter, the one about the actress stood out for me because she was clearly a reference to Setsuko Hara, one of Japans most famous actresses lol
AidanAK47
I try out a number of things from time to time. Books, movies, music, comics and the like. But I always come back to anime.
AidanAK47
I have dabbled in quite a few mediums myself. My recent experiment is audiobooks which I am currently using to get through Moby Dick. And Jesus H Christ is this book padded to hell and back. It may be well written but it is an awful story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But what this film venture has shown me is that while I've gotten much out of it, it shows just how STRONGER the connection I have to anime/manga is.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: And definately, I don't get the "people focus on only one media thing". One of the reasons I started branching out was because I felt "Fuck, I'm in my 30s and I've neglected a whole medium by being too focused on cartoons"
Kaiser-Eoghan
The sign you're at something too long is when the suspense of waiting for the next part to come out isn't there or when you find yourself not picking up on whats going on!
Kaiser-Eoghan
Manga/visual novels/anime I've noticed especially now are much much easier to stay awake during when you're wrecked tired.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: And to be honest, I've gotten busier and more tired lately, getting home on a weekday later after a new job, I'm not alert enough to watch art films, just started leaving them till the weekend.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I know exactly what you mean. That is one of the reason why I like to mix up what I watch: sometimes books, other time manga and even music to get me away from burning out from 1 medium
Kaiser-Eoghan
*eventually get back
Kaiser-Eoghan
The short of that is, I think a good scale back with ANY hobby is a good thing because it can feel special all over again when you get back on it more mainly.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But now that after three years of mainly focusing on films moreso than anime/manga as much, because I'm now incredibly burnt out from watching films 4 times a day, I feel now I can watch ANY anime or read any manga and get that fresh feeling/some of that old passion back.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Remember that feeling you got when you first really got into anime/manga and pretty much excitedly/panic watched EVERYTHING and almost everything felt great? I've been thinking how a few years back now, I sort of re-lived that feeling again...however for films.
AidanAK47
(Finished watching SukaSuka 10)
Awwww...that was a sweet episode end....
.....
.....They are all gonna die.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Kids off school pressumably in Japan with more time to watch stuff and more shows.
AidanAK47
God why is there so many anime during the summer season.
AidanAK47
Of course there are the really obvious recommendations of Grand Blue and Kaguya wants to be confessed to.
AidanAK47
I say the only other recommendations I got are Jagaaaaaan, Maou no Hisho, Ore wo Suki Nano wa Omae Dake ka yo and Yuuutsu-kun to Succubus-san. Though I still think Shibito no Koe o Kiku ga Yoi would be up your alley.
Kaiser-Eoghan
By all means keep posting random manga you've all come across, I will read them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I thought route end did a good job on the protagonist's feelings regarding his mothers death.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though my interest in Route is largely due to it was the most lurid of the selection.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I felt route end holds the most interest of that selection of recommendations, although before reading it I thought it would be an episodic manga, similar to a series called death sweeper.
Lenlo
@K-Off, well I think both the manga got handed down to the assistant, and the anime got handed down as well. The original author/director for both arnt working on Boruto
K-Off
@Lenlo Probably, haven't checked. But the manga and anime are completely different so I don't know.
AidanAK47
The Streisand effect in full force.
SuperMario
*Now the media...
SuperMario
No the media storms over it and eventually want to check out this film. It has gain more publicity after this shameless incident
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