Posted by psgels on 4 July 2010 with categories: Anime Reviews, Full Metal Alchemist - Brotherhood




Because the first season of Full Metal Alchemist went with its own story, it turned out to be one of the most famous anime of the decade, and the manga was finally about to finish, it maybe wasn’t much of a surprise that Bones ended up animating the story of the manga. And they really made sure to give it a top notch treatment here!

Especially in the past few years, the trend has grown in which series should consider themselves lucky if they can get 26 episodes, or even enough time to animate the entire story on which they’re based. Full Metal Alchemist is different, however: with 64 episodes, it received just the right length in order to tell the full story of the Full Metal Alchemist manga, and boy is it an awesome one!

The story here is completely different from the first season, but I ended up liking it a lot better with the different focus. It’s still focused on a ton of action-scenes, but the story around it is deep, well fleshed out and mature, especially for a series with many shounen elements. The world that the series is set in is well fleshed out, multi-layered and quite detailed.

Another huge focus of this series is the time it spent on characters preparing. With the epic nature of this series, a lot of time is actually spent on the lead characters, finding allies to help them. The cast of this series is huge, but everyone in this series has his or her own part to play in the large scheme of things. The length also allows the creators to really look at all of them and their motivations, backgrounds and purposes, in order to make all of them unique, with excellent results.

What you get is an epic action series with plenty of depth to come by, carefully paced and wrapped up in the end with a finale that’s full of adrenaline. However, you should note that the first fifteen episodes or so follow pretty much the same story as the first Full Metal Alchemist TV-series, and it’s clear that at that point, the creators try to get through these parts as fast as possible in order to get to the new material, compared to the very slowly paced first season.

It of course depends on how keen you’re into seeing the same things again, but there are some notable differences between the two. Brotherhood cuts some of the useless fluff of the first season away, like the moments that were just there to show contrived situations for the lead character to save the day, though it also cuts away a lot of the minor character-building scenes. Don’t worry though, because after 16 episodes, the series continues with a completely different story that in my eyes completely surpasses the original Full Metal Alchemist.

It’s a definite recommendation if you’re looking for something epic. Despite being 64 episodes, Bones keep a surprisingly good animation quality throughout the series, especially the action-scenes themselves look gorgeous for such a long series. The soundtrack also fully captures the grant atmosphere of the story, and will make sure for a show that will keep you entertained.

We here have a series that really made excellent use of its opportunity to finally show an epic story that goes beyond even 52 episodes, while always keeping on track and not losing itself somewhere in the middle. The creators had a really excellent manga to base themselves on, and even though they did not keep to the manga for 100%, the way they brought it to animation still deserves to be applauded.

Storytelling: 9/10 – Well paced and varied in the long run, exciting and engaging in the short run.
Characters: 9/10 – A ton of different characters, most of them get their chance to show off themselves and get some depth. Plenty of character-development as well.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Great animation from Bones, plus an excellent soundtrack.
Setting: 10/10 – Excellent in its depth and multiple layers, focusing both on the big picture as the individual details. Successfully brings many different stories together.

Suggestions:
Bounen no Xamdou
– Vision of Escaflowne
Nadia – The Secret of Blue Water

42 Responses

  1. Watcherzero says:

    Maybe im the odd one out then of prefering the original, now the series are identical for the first 25% or so (though second series covered events faster) but I though the anime writers did great work at guessing what direction the manga would take, and you have to admit they guessed a lot of what would happen correctly.

  2. Bruce says:

    I still have to finish this; still on episode 58.

    I thought the first series had much better drama, but not nearly as good of a plot (and that movie was just a dumb attempt to make money).

  3. Kim says:

    Fullmetal Alchemist is a very special series to me. It’s a series I followed for about 6 years and it’s probably the only long time series I have followed that has not let me down once. Brotherhood did not exactly live up to the manga for me (but with how I feel about the manga that was probably an impossible task). Still I am glad Brotherhood was created for people who don’t read manga who could discover this series as well.

    @ Watcherzero the first anime team did not guess. Arakawa told them her ending from the beginning and asked them that they make a different ending from hers. I am guessing they just kept some similar plot points. Still the themes and the way the characters developed are quite different in the two series and that is why I will always prefer the manga/Brotherhood. For me the manga was always about hope and pushing forward despite what happened in the past. It was also very much about the human spirit. That humanity might be weak but we don’t give up and we rely on others that is our strength.

  4. JBM says:

    Both the first and the second series had their good and weak points. The drama is much more emotional and heart wrenching in the first series but everything as a whole was more cohesive in the second series. And just like what psgels has pointed out, the series was very good at producing a stunning climax after a good amount of build up unlike the first series which IMO fell flat in the end after what I believed was still an amazing build up and the follow up movie just made it worse. Anyway, it was one hell of an amazing series. The comparisons will now come in threes: the first series, the second series and the manga. It all ends up with a matter of taste. I prefer the second series and in some aspects and chapters, I prefer the anime version over the manga counterpart. But all in all, the FMA franchise is amazing.

  5. Patrick says:

    As JBM pointed the first series (should not be called 1st season) was MUCH more “emotionally engaging”, and for me that’s what made FMA, at least for me. In the second series I watched 15 ep or so and found I felt nothing so I dropped it.

  6. Denizen says:

    The first series was not “emotionally engaging” in so much as it was just melodramatic, forcing soapy drama in places it didn’t even need to happen. Here’s a flashback, this is serious, omg how sad, etc.

    The second series was dramatic too, but it usually applied it in more striking and upbeat ways – for example, my absolute favourite scene in Episode 19, where Mustang kills Lust, was done in a way to make it as impressive and simply badass as possible. No depth, no heartbreaking last wishes, just an awesome climax.

    The first series probably would have tried to make it into some emotionally charged scene about “Lust’s last regrets” or something like that, when it just didn’t fit.
    FMA was always intended to be a homage of sorts to B-Movies, so it always had cheese to balance the more serious storytelling – the first series didn’t have this, so by using Arakawa’s setting it always ended up not quite working. The new series just worked much better.

    Also, wtf, dropping a series just after its started going in its own direction? That’s so dumb.

  7. Patrick says:

    Denizen It’s your opinion and I respect it (not your way of doing it) but I feel otherwise. I just felt nothing watching second series I don’t know how to explain it better.

  8. kagura says:

    @Patrick
    Have you actually read the whole review? ‘Cause psgels states pretty clearly that the first fifteen episodes cover the same material as the half of the first anime did, and that the creators probably wanted to get through those episodes as fast as possible, in order to get to the real meat of the story. So yeah, no wonder that the emotional impact of the first anime would be lost (although I agree with Denizen that it was too melodramatic for its own good). I think you should give Brotherhood a second chance before passing such a definite judgement.

    And psgels, this is really an excellent review, so all I can say is “thank you” :)

  9. Hana says:

    @ Patrick: You shouldn’t have dropped it after 15 episodes. That’s when it started to actually get good.

  10. jimao says:

    bunch of guys beating up a boss who wants to take over the world, and with no sacrifices on the good guys’ side (hell even mustang’s eyes were healed)…

    I understand everyone has different taste but this is ridiculous that no one here is standing up for FMA-2003.

  11. jimao says:

    @patrick: good decision. Brotherhood starts off as shounen, and quickly degerenates into even more shounenish cheese. I defy anyone to tell me the difference between brotherhood and yuyu hakusho, if there is any.

  12. MarieLuise says:

    The 1st series was a mess and full of plot holes but there was something incredible touching and intriguing about it. I felt so much for the characters. I remember Ed dying at the end, it was heart breaking. Even though I never really enjoyed the additional movie, there was bitterness in it which I really liked. It made me think, guess what it was all about. Maybe I just had this feeling BECAUSE the whole story Bones came up with made no sense, but it was extremly exciting to watch.

    And FMA Brotherhood? The story is much better – no doubt about that. And Bones did a better job I ever expected. But seriously: what should we learn at the end? What was it all about? I especially think about Ed fighting with father after Al went to the gate to give Ed back his arm. There was so much hatred in this scene (Ed extremly angry, the soldiers started to cry out loud: destroy him! Destroy him!), so again: what was it all about? David fighting against Goliath, killing him and dancing over his head? I know Arakawa put a lot of thouhgts in her story (Panteism etc.), but yeah.. in the end it was just about fighting, killing, winning, standing up and so on. It felt emotionally empty for me. Not to mention that I found it hard to understand and feel sympaty for characters like Mustang and Hawkeye. How many people did they kill in Ishbal? You can argue that was one of the good (and mature) points of the story (no black-white characters), but for me the whole series was full of strange morals. Not to mention that I got the impression Arakawa glorified the army the way she was portraying Olivier and her soldiers. Yeah, and Mustangs goal always was to became Führer (When I hear this word I always think about Hitler. He was the “Führer”). Why don’t decinde for a democracy and not a country leaded by the army? Well, maybe I’m just missing here something great. And maybe all of this was discussed before. In that case I appologize for my pointless post ;-)

  13. kaei says:

    @jimao: If you need someone to tell you the difference between Yuyu Hakusho and FMA, even if someone does tell you you probably won’t be able to grasp it. But whatever, I’ll give it a shot. For one thing, Yuyu Hakusho is a long running generic shounen manga with a never-ending list of enemies that degenerates quickly into a tournament style slugfest and fight of the week. FMA has a beginning, climax and end, and each fight had purpose and the author didn’t introduce new enemy after new enemy and infinite power-ups. FMA treated its female characters with respect; YYH’s females were just window dressing.

    Also, some sacrifices on the good guy’s side – Hohenheim, namely – doesn’t even get to see his grandchildren even though he finally wants to live. This is manga-only, but Havoc doesn’t get magically healed by the Philosopher’s stone – there is a picture of him undergoing physical therapy. Ed never gets his leg back. Good friends who died during the final fight stay dead. Hughes stays dead. Nina stays dead. Trisha stays dead. All the people killed in the making of Philosopher’s stones stay dead. Winry’s parents stay dead. These people have ALL sacrificed a lot, and the ending is about them picking themselves up and moving on and walking on their own two feet.

    OR did you want the ending to be a dismal hopeless slaughterfest with all the leads dead and the ones remaining crying before you consider it a good story?

  14. kaei says:

    @MarieLuise: You bring up good points on how you think the ending could have been better, eg. the democracy, decreasing the importance of the army, etc. but the only thing I can say is if you want that kind of story where those things happen, you’ll have to look elsewhere (and I agree with you that Mustang and Hawkeye et al. have committed war crimes, the army has too much importance etc.) Those things that you think should go, other people might appreciate them, and if the author changed it, it wouldn’t be Fullmetal Alchemist anymore.

    You may think you missed “something great” but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that – some stories just resonate better with some people than others =)

  15. Kim says:

    I am sorry but if the only thing that you can get out of the story is let’s kill the bad guys then you have serious comprehension issues. But I get it only things that end with angst, sacrifice, and suffering are deep. Don’t make me laugh.

    The brothers sacrificing themselves in the first series was not deep at all. It showed they learned absolutely NOTHING. What was the whole thing during the first Scar fight when Al told Ed not to waste his life. To live if you have a chance and maybe find a way to save poor girls like Nina.

    The characters in Brotherhood actually do something POSITIVE with their lives in the end. From Ed and Al traveling the world to thank all the people that helped them, to Al and Ed doing research to help people who were hurt by alchemy, to Roy working to overhaul the Ishval policy, to Scar trying to help the Ishval people not lose their culture. The manga is full of positive messages and hope about the future.

    And when Ed gave up alchemy (and didn’t sacrifice his life) he showed that he understands it is okay to not rely on this special power. He is okay with being a normal human being and relying on his friends (it was his reliance on his friends not alchemy that helped him win in the first place). This shows that Ed in Brotherhood actually developed and learned something through his experiences. This was the opposite of Father who wanted to be above everyone. Father’s arrogance is what caused him to lose.

  16. Kim says:

    Also yes Roy being healed by the Philosopher Stone might seem easy but in a sense it was the Ishvalans that were given him a second chance and he is using that chance to change the policy on Ishval.

    What do I mean the stone Marcoh gave him was made up of Ishvalans. The stone was then used by Kimbley to kill Ishvalans. The stone eventually falls into Al’s hands and he uses this to defeat Kimbley, and now Marcoh gives it to Roy (who also participated in the Ishval massacre) to change the Ishval policy. Thus the whole thing comes full circle.

    Also the Amestris world might eventually become a Democracy but that will take time.

  17. Meep says:

    Very well said, Kim~

  18. MarieLuise says:

    @kaei: thank you for your nice post :-)

    @kim: It seems it really is all about different tastes. You didn’t tell me something I didn’t know before and of course my opinion about the ending of the series didn’t change. I don’t need a sappy ending with lots of pointless drama to appreciate a story, but I do like some bitterness. I do like brothers who maybe don’t learn that much and maybe don’t get all of their goals (because I think that’s more “real” than such a overall happy ending). But at the same time I’m well aware that Arakawa always had such an happy ending in her mind, it is/was her way of storyteling. And if you like the whole story you have to like the ending too. I really think so, but I just fail on that.

    I will say it again: the end of FMA brotherhood was all about fighting, killing etc. You can use nicer words and say it was about getting your goals, fighting for your future, for the people you love, for friendship etc. I just felt the urge to kill and win at the end of the series and a toooo long battle with no real emotions in it (the scenes with Greed were ridiclous and incredible cheezy). And when Ed was calling Hohenheim “father” – I just knew he would do that, because I have seen such moments hundred million times before in movies, books etc.

    What you said about Roy and the stone: I don’t want to add something to that. It is a good example for the “strange morals” I talked about. It has to do with forgivness and getting the chance to do some good things (which was also a major theme of the series regarding the Ishbal massacre) but it made a strange aftertase in my mouth ;-)

    But don’t get me wrong. FMA is in my top 5 of favorite anime. And I was back then the first one who tried to convince psgels to blog this series.

    @psgels: I enjoyed your blogging about FMA very much. Thank you for that :-)

  19. Kim says:

    @Marie Luise,

    Although I don’t agree with everything you said my comment was not directed at you (well maybe the 2nd one about Roy but not the first one).

    This is an action/adventure series so yes there are fights. However people seem to forget there were fights in the first series too. If I recall in the final episode (or 2nd to last episode) it was Envy VS Ed. There were plenty of fights in the movie too. But there is still plenty of symbolism and message beyond the fights. And as for the fights I enjoyed the fact that EVERYONE was fighting together from the children to adults. That is something you don’t see in most stories.

    As for not getting what you want and not learning anything being more “real” no I don’t agree with that. It might be true in some cases but it certainly doesn’t have to be true. In fact that it is a very negative outlook on life.

    It’s also fine to enjoy a more bitter story. I usually prefer bitter sweet endings myself. I am just making a point that an ending does not have to be bitter to have depth.

  20. Ebod says:

    I never read/watched FMA for its DEEP SYMBOLIC MEANING, because while it had some, that really wasn’t its aim.

    FMA manga and brotherhood = awesome entertainment with good plot, amazing characters, and humor.

    FMA first anime = wangst wangst wangst plus even more. Not only was it a mood whiplash from the first half of the series following the manga, the ending, exactly as Kim said, showed that Ed and Al both learned NOTHING. Not having a happy ending =/= automatically equal AMAZING DEPTH. Each to their own, but I prefer it when my characters do a little more than just stand in the rain moping about their life. Also, Al had almost no personality left by the end of the first FMA anime.

  21. Deschain says:

    I have been following this blog since the first episode of Brotherhood (and since I never read the manga), I waited to throw in my two cents until it was over . This series was excellent plot driven series, but the first one was an excellent character driven story. I prefer character driven stories over plot ones, although I can enjoy both

    The first FMA did have an aim and it told it well. The first series was all about Alchemy and the process of how it works. Alchemy is a huge part of their world and everyone could use it with the proper training, it is an intricate part of their world. While Ed and Al believed alchemy could be used for good, positive goals, they quickly realized that the world doesn’t see it that way. The Homunculus were a clear example of the negative aspect of Alchemy. Pride, Lust, Envy, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Gluttony weren’t just characters, there were themes, sins that were present all throughout the anime. Seeing the Elric brothers confront these things and holding on to their beliefs shows resolve, not an inability to learn. To me the first series reflects our world as much as the one of Amestris and the goals of both the heroes and the villains, felt like something we all can relate to. To me they are both different animes. We already had the one that focused on the philosophy and their world. This one was sorely needed, especially for someone like me in order to get a full perspective on the FMA universe.

  22. Charred Knight says:

    @Jimao I defy you to tell me the difference between the first Fullmetal Alchemist and a funeral. Mizushima confused characters crying, talking about how depressing your life is, and characters dying useless deaths for actual drama. He completely misunderstood what the series was about. Also is comparing something to Yuu Yuu Hakusho supposed to be an insult? Once you grow up maybe we can debate some anime instead of hearing about how angst = art.

  23. Deschain says:

    This is the kind of crap I hate from people. Simplifying an anime like FMA and FMA Brotherhood is the pure sign of stupidity. FMA Brotherhood is not like Yu Yu Hakusho. Does it share the same aspects? Sure, but a lot if not all anime share certain traits that adhere to formula. That is just one side to FMA Brotherhood not the whole.

    As for the Mizushima statement. Wow, this person looked at the manga and noticed a principle, a law of equivalency and crafted a story that stimulates emotion and thought. If you didn’t catch that then that’s sad. And FMA was not angst in the way you are describing it. FMA was about seeing the world for what it truly was, a place filled with individuals who posses the knowledge and ability to help others and instead use it to further their own agendas. Having you principles and beliefs questioned and challenged is an intense experience. If you failed to see that aspect then fine that’s you, but don’t simplify it to angst alone. He wasn’t trying to follow the same kind feeling in the manga, he focused on a human story and it was good

  24. Kim says:

    @ Deschain

    When I said I felt Ed and Al didn’t learn anything in the first series I was talking specifically about the scene when they both sacrificed themselves for each other. This scene was a disappointment for me. And in general the development of Ed and Al was a disappointment for me. However I can’t say they learned absolutely nothing in the course of the series. I believe they learned the world is not perfect, bad things can be done with alchemy, and you can’t get everything you want in the end. I am not too fond of the themes in the first series but these themes were presented well.

    However Ed and Al in Brotherhood and the manga stuck to their beliefs too: To not use others in their quest to get their bodies back (this is why Ed refused to use Hohenheim’s last soul or the P.Stone but instead came up with his own way to get Al back). So you see Ed and Al not only hold on to their beliefs in the manga storyline but also succeed because of what they learned through their experiences (that they did not succeed by alchemy but through the help of others).

    Learning something and sticking to your beliefs is not mutually exclusive.

  25. Deschain says:

    @Kim
    So basically what you are saying is that the ending was bad. I can see how that can happen, but sacrificing themselves and not using others was presented in the first series as well. Ed didn’t use the prisoners to transmute them into a philosopher’s stone. When Al realized that Wrath had Ed’s limbs he was going to “rip” them off, but he refrained from that. When Al became a Philosopher’s Stone, Ed refused to use his powers out of fear it may destroy Al; which is the exact same thing with Hohenheim wanting to use his life for Al in Brotherhood. Granted I do like Brotherhood’s solution better, but in the first series, Ed realized that he can’t have it all. Saving his brother’s life and restoring his body was much more important than receiving his limbs. Once again that was demonstrated in Brotherhood when Al sacrificed himself. So in general both shows exhibited the same ideas, but they both stuck to their own themes. In the end of the first series it wasn’t about simply restoring a limb or a body, it was to restore life. A life for a life is equivalent exchange which was the whole theme of the the first series, but instead of Ed receiving death, he was given the chance to live on and find a way back to his brother again.

  26. Watcherzero says:

    I think a good metaphor is how its so easy to tell the difference between CGI and film, CGI is too perfect, theirs too few defects, dirt, cracks or imperfections and so the eye can always tell which is the better more realistic version.

    In the same way the first series had this, people died pointlessly, people didnt learn from their mistakes, charachters had to wing it when their plans didnt always work. This was much more reflective of real life than the second series where everyone was perfect, every death was a noble and meaningful sacrifice, people always learned from their mistakes and everything always went to plan.

    To me the first series was film, the second was CGI.

  27. Kim says:

    I am sorry but just because a character grows and learns something from their experience does not make it fake. That’s called character development and good writing.

    In real life people DO learn from their mistakes, they DON’T always die needless deaths, and people DO get happy endings. I don’t think the ending of the 2nd series is perfect I find it hopeful & positive. That doesn’t make it any less poignant and real than the first series with all its forced emotion and needless melodrama.

  28. Kim says:

    I should add I don’t think there is anything wrong with preferring the more dramatic/darker first series to the more hopeful/lighter 2nd series. But when you say one is film the other is CGI or one is art the other is trash. That is what I have an issue with because it is complete nonsense.

  29. psgels psgels says:

    Whoa there, there’s no need to look at this in such a black and white way. In real life, it’s not like people either learn from all their experiences or the other way around, instead they learn from some cases, while at others they don’t.

    Personally my biggest gripe against the first season wasn’t this overacting. There are plenty of other shows that have that and where it works. I wouldn’t say that it’s not understanding the manga, instead it’s just a completely different interpretation. Nothing wrong with that.

    Instead, I did not like how the first season had so many forced plot points. The first half suffered because it tried too hard to make Ed like a hero by making him run into situations in which he conveniently save the day in half-assed stories. In the second half, it was the tendency of the creators to bring back characters who had no business being there. These characters were in most cases completely shallow (the biggest example I can think of right now being Rose) and took time and focus away from the characters that really mattered.

  30. Kim says:

    Whoa there, there’s no need to look at this in such a black and white way. In real life, it’s not like people either learn from all their experiences or the other way around, instead they learn from some cases, while at others they don’t.

    To clarify I wasn’t trying to say that things always work out for people in real life either. Sometimes they don’t but at the same time sometimes they do. And neither situation is more realistic than the other. So I agree with you. :)

  31. Reltair says:

    Awesome series that are also long are so rare these days…

  32. Scytheslash says:

    I get a bad feeling the movie is going to be an intersection of the previous FMA characters and Brotherhood characters…….. maybe Dante will make an appearance again? Revisiting Ishvaal seems pointless, after it has been resolved in the show

  33. Bobby says:

    i am a little confused as to what exactly the brotherhood movie can cover. i mean, after defeating a guy who was essentially a god, what kind of decent bad guy can they create that ISN’T a total (KITTEN) by comparison (lol)

    the review and grade is pretty spot on IMHO

  34. Ive says:

    I will say it again: the end of FMA brotherhood was all about fighting, killing etc.

    Thank God. I’m tired of series where people try to stay away from fighting and killing the enemy because of their idiotic morals. I was fine with Ed saving Pride, but if he and the rest of the soldiers weren’t cheering for Father’s death, something would be terribly lacking.

    I’m not saying that peace isn’t a good thing, and that morals are always idiotic; not at all. I’m just… so tired of good guys not killing the main, evil bad guys. If a person like Father, or Kimblee (who I actually really like as a character) is in my grasp, that is it: I would take their life and never think twice about it. They are evil, and they must be stopped. That in and of itself can be a moral, too, I suppose.

    I also really like the Ishbalan Massacre and its implications on the soldiers in general. They were ‘only following orders’, but since they were still human, they had deal with their obediance. It was really… rather nice, in its own way.

    Oh, I loved all the FMA series. I liked this series more then the First Series by a long shot, though I’d consider the Manga tied with Brotherhood.

    The biggest problems with this series, and I know there are a few of them, that I can think off top hand are the start of the series (but that was inevitable, unforunately), the ‘last minute save’ (this one irritates me in all forms of media, though), and the lack of good characters dying. I don’t want it to be a total death-march, but…

  35. Ibrahim Peasnell says:

    I decided to drop this series around episode thirty when the plot became more complicated and characters reappearing in this series. One element of this series I dislike is the character designs and art director of this series compared to the previous series of FMA. I did watch the last couple of episodes just for interest sake, and I can say that the ending of FMA:Brotherhood is a bit better then the previous series of FMA, though the music was better in the first series of FMA then FMA:Brotherhood. Overall, I would say that FMA:Brotherhood is a nice addition to the FMA franshise though prefer the first series of FMA over the second due to that I prefear good music and character designs over a better plot of FMA:Brotherhood.

  36. Tan-Tan says:

    The fact that a lot of people are arguing about FMA:Brotherhood means it’s an awesome series :D A lot of you seem to argue about the battle in the end. I understand we view this as “barbarism” but do you really know the meaning of the final battle? A struggle between forces?

    @jimao: World domination was never the goal of Father. By saying that, I already know you didn’t understand the story. Father wants to learn more of the world and to be the “perfect being”. He already thinks he is above humans and simply wishes to “be more”.

    People consider Brotherhood having a happy ending. And apparently, they don’t like the fact that none of the main characters die because of the “lack of sacrifice” and probably pissed of (@jimao again) that Roy got his eyes back.

    Yes, well, we do enjoy misery more than happy endings :P We seem to be unable to accept happiness happening totally.

  37. israel8491 says:

    I think this is a very good grade. FMA Brotherhood was an amazing anime, but it was not without flaws.
    I got introduced to the manga first. I fell head over heels in love, and from there I went to the anime. I watched the first episode of the first anime before calling it quits. I hated the art. It was just bad. I read the new plot line on various sites and from there I’ve gotten a good idea of how the anime-verse works. I think it has some interesting ideas, but it can’t hold a candle to the manga-verse.
    Brotherhood I really loved. I wasn’t very pleased when it deviated from the manga, but I understood. The only thing I disliked was the first episode (what’s with that, both animes have sucky first episodes?) but after that it got great. I really liked the art, especially in comparison to the first anime’s.
    In the end, Brotherhood was a great anime and I’m so glad it got to run for as long as it did.
    To everyone who wanted more people to die, *ahem*: Nina, Alexander, Tucker, Hughes, Lust, Envy, Sloth, Gluttony, Wrath, Greed, Father, Hohenheim, Buccaneer, Fu, about ten thousand Ishvalans, who knows how many soldiers, Trisha, Barry, Slicer, everyone from the Devil’s Nest, Cornello….
    Really? You want more? I’m amazed at how many people survived.
    And after all the stuff they’ve been through, I think the characters have earned their happy ending.

  38. Mr. Derrrrp says:

    Fullmetal Alchemist is GOD. plain and simple.
    The english dub is excellent as well.
    Now go to your room!

  39. gedata says:

    I guess I’m the only one who was legitimatley amazed by what both series did

  40. ArmourBB says:

    I need to say that I love that extra jab the manga take at the 2003 anime when Riza said:
    ‘Is Ed going to sacrifice himself to bring Al back?’
    and Roy answered: ‘No, because he knows the pain of being left alone and he wouldn’t put Al through that.’

    This. So much.

    TAKE THAT fma2003

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Kaiser-Eoghan
It does prompt me to read the manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Furryguy story got too many episodes. I surprisingly enjoyed the time travel one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, Phoneix, the 2004 series is the definition of a mixed bag, the first story gets gritty and bleak in a way that I liked but its the scifi stories I connect with best, the first one for its premise/set up and the second because the last part kind of hit me and seeing Rock, another Tezuka character cameoing in it was kinda cool.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Pluto will be something that'll definately hold up for me and i can see myself actually appreciating it more when I watch the eventual adaptation.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I guess I'm reading Adolf then after watching the phoenix anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm thinking more along the lines of wanting a full kare kano adaptation.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: And I'm not sure if my tastes would be the same now.
Anonymous3115199
Hope it gets a decent episode count that does it justice. Can't imagine it being another rushed 1 episode per volume adaptation.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: But I'm not sure if I'll catch the remake.I've already read the manga twice years ago and seen the original anime twice aswell.
Anonymous3115199
Fruits Basket. Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. And it's a getting a remake next year that covers the whole manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am old enough to remember watching 2 episodes of mysterious cities of Gold and one of battle of the planets aswell as the 90s gigantor.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I happy to see studios finally going back to adapt stuff that deserves adapting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have also read angel no oka. Still haven't read Adolf or dororo.
Amagi
I can't wait for the Pluto anime (that was announced like a year ago?).
Kaiser-Eoghan
I won't spoil it, but MW had one cheeky ending that I loved.
Amagi
Well it pretty much is a ripoff of Kimba, I once thought people were joking until acrually googled it. Simba was even meant to be called Kimba at first IIRC.
Kaiser-Eoghan
A manga adaptation of mein kampf exists.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I used to joking argue with people when I was younger online about Disney ripping off Kimba.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've seen all the black Jack stuff, metropolis, I also read Book of human insects, Ayako, apollos song, MW, princess knight and some of ode to kirihito .
Amagi
I wish someone would animate Adolf one day. Or a proper adaption of Buddha.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I bring this up because somebody mentioned Phoenix when talking about Spirit circle.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I must confess to my eternal shame I have never seen Osamu Tezuka's phoenix apart from that one episode with the guy hallucinating that the robot girl was human.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Ah, to be more specific I meant in general.
Lenlo
Im with ya. If your talking about my comment on Ash's breakdown, im not saying I would have prefered to see it. I just think it did its job of disturbing the viewer well.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I would rather the characters speak explicitly of certain things in banana fish, sometimes seeing everything isn't neccesary.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Perhaps we should race Yagate and Irozuku, see who's faster.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: I've had it on hold for about 3 episodes , I'm waiting to see if it does anything before continuing, pretty show tho'.
Niello
It already passed the half way point but nothing happens in irozuku...nothing.
Amagi
Yeah I jsut read it in the thread. I love grandpa.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Seems like a big moment in Chi no Wadachi.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Someone is uploading translated pages of the new beastars chapter on 4chan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am behind on some shows, I'm not uptodate with Irozuku or Yagate.
Kaiser-Eoghan
More specifically, I would like a whole side story about old dude and lizard dude before they met Goblin slayer. Also later part of this episode was stressful, such as Priestess bit. I also like that this show isn't afraid to have its MC get their ass kicked.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There was an anime called ristorante paradiso where all the dudes were old.
Amagi
That reminds me that there actually exists an otome'ish pub VN in which every guy is older than 40. Well I have to admit it's at least setting itself apart from the dozens of male j-rock/pop bishounen harem guys VNs out there. Same with that Pigeon otome VN (yes it's actual pigeons).
Kaiser-Eoghan
Goodness, we could have a reverse harem anime called Amagi-san and the 7 battling ojisans =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I wish the geezer in Goblin slayer would have more to do.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Interesting how I hate certain genres, but when they're put through an exploitation lens I end up liking the genre, probably because it shits all over said genres while cutting out the boring parts.
Amagi
Yeah, same here. I also like it when stories are more mixed regarding age, general look, gender and such which is especially a problem in anime where you usually get 10 characters of the same gender, age and body type. Bonus if it's an idol show and they even have samefaces.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course these adult characters can exist outside of a fantasy and also be more relatable to me now, which is also a good thing, in a more serious story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Alot of this has to do with getting older and being aware of that fact, knowing theres a 30/40 something able to do stuff I can't.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I would welcome an age of pensioner-ploitation films.
Amagi
I always enjoyed movies with old guys for example. Not only that, but I usually like it. For various reasons like the stories they have to tell, the nearing death (for very old ones) or a midlife crisis but welp, these movies were common 40 years ago, now it's teens and young adults since these are the demographies that are most likely willing to pay for the cinema or to buy merch.
Amagi
Yeah same here. Modern hollywood movies are way more mainstream than old ones and try to be the lowest common denominator with the most common tropes and stereotypical characters so unless you have more or less the most common taste and way of thinking for whatever reason you won't enjoy it and only get even more bored with every new movie that just feels like the 1000 movies before that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Wheras I'd delight in anything left field or out of the box, because I love being constantly buzzed or surprised or seeing something do something uncompromising or weird.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*sense of
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I understand that people feel belittled when they watch something they can't make traditional sense or or morally work out .
Kaiser-Eoghan
But I've accepted that the stuff I really really like is going to be alien to a majority. I'd watch a lurid ova or b movie over any popular shounen or most post 80s hollywood films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There would have been a time where I'd thought I was doing it wrong or that people would just think me some kind of hipster or contrarian for not liking popular/mainstream stuff/what everyone in the same room/site likes.
Amagi
Same with movies. I guess in the end it's always about being able to relate. If there is a strange character only certain people can relate to they'll enjoy it while everyone else falls asleep and vice versa with more typical characters. Hell I have seen a ton of non-stop action movies that literally put me to sleep because there was nothing for me to root for nor any great twists to expect.
Amagi
It's strange but whenever people hate a series for being too boring it turns out to be a series I like which is weird because I consider 80% of all existing series boring, including many series most people actually consider exciting and/or enjoyable as hell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember there was a devil may cry anime, the guy subbing it didn't do a very good job but it was an okay extended advert for the game.
Lenlo
The man has also said that if someone would get him the rights to Berserk, he would do that to.
Animosh
Well, you still deserve credit for suggesting the series, because otherwise I wouldn't have even known it existed. :) But yeah, I like that people here are so open-minded. Anime is great and all, but there's plenty to discover outside of it (though to be fair, I'm lagging behind with many of them: following anime seasonally is great for discussion, but it can eat up a lot of time).
SuperMario
@Animosh: don't mention it. I'm glad you enjoy it. I don't take credits in this case since I myself haven't watched it yet. I love it how this community is willing to try other medium and not exclusively anime
Animosh
Really surprised this isn't more well known. Not that there's been much competition, but it's easily the best (western) cartoon I've seen this year.
Animosh
@SuperMario: thanks again for recommending Lastman! I just finished it, and it was a lot of fun. It doesn't have much depth, but it was incredibly entertaining: it just keeps throwing these bizarrely over the top action set-pieces at you without pausing, it oozes style, and its soundtrack is killer (it reminded me a bit of Hotline Miami). And it can be pretty damn funny too. It even ends strongly.
SuperMario
"I swear if I see some nonsense like her not being able to stay “Professional” due to having a boyfriend then I will have to strangle something" --> is that why you had screenshot of kitties up there?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: little sister has a strong chance to be a protag in the last arc. I'm genuinely surprised that Futaba is the main girl in this arc thou
Kaiser-Eoghan
I want to see the little sister looking scared in bunnygirl agrain.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yay! Sing and eiji are doing something and Ash's freakout while melodramtic and ridiculous was still bleak, learn a bit more about Blanca which is good. Didn't like the goofy bit with yut-lung.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Not intellectually non-intellectual enough for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Bunny-girl has redeemed itself. Also my favourite part of this weeks episode was 7 or 8 minutes before the end .
SuperMario
I mean, just reading that title alone I might check out what this movie is about. lol
SuperMario
Well, I come across an unusual film title today. A Japanese film called "When I Get Home, My Wife Always Pretends to be Dead"
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Lafalle arc (as thematically I probably engaged the most here)and the final arc both elevated this series for me, even though I did enjoy the bit with Vann early on.
I’ve heard people don’t like the ending it hit with me.
Really solid.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Dramatically this even kind of clicked for me and the antagonist surprised me as did twintails girl and bestghosts eventual roles, comedy isn’t exactly funny but I did laugh at points.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Apparently I got third time lucky with Mizukami, because I found this a very fresh take on the re-incarnation genre while actually DOING something worthwhile with it, his pacing/story telling style definitely feels a better fit to me in a short manga like this.
Kaiser-Eoghan
After a degree of indifference to planet with and only liking Biscuit hammers last arc, I ended up approaching Spirit circle expecting to not really have any opinion on it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Just my kind of weird.
Anonymous3093267
sword eyes
SuperMario
Here's another experimental animated short for you, Kaiser, Tango (1981) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo8O8lYDzIU
SuperMario
@Animosh: yeah the second part was released in VOD earlier this year and I watched it. Prefer the 1st one much better
Vonter
I don't know why, but I thought you were talking about Tomorrowland. That Disney movie that bombed and everyone seemed very lukewarm about. I suppose because I don't know exactly what was the problem with it, didn't see much discussion about it.
Animosh
@SuperMario: I think I've seen World of Tomorrow, but not 100% sure. There's apparently a second part out though, and I definitely haven't seen that!
Animosh
And Umfeld (https://vimeo.com/umfeld) is also worth mentioning. It kind of consists of shorts, it's technically animated (at least in part: it mixes real footage and CGI I think?), and it's definitely weird. It's a very polarizing work though. I love it, but it wouldn't surprise me if most people here hate it.
Animosh
Some other things that came to mind: Tim Burton's "Vincent" (it's stop-motion, but whatever), Loom (https://vimeo.com/24069938) and E-Baby (https://vimeo.com/25435555). And the stop-motion shorts by Lee Hardcastle are pretty fun, if you're in the mood for some needlessly disgusting horror.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I enjoyed embrace of the serpent which has the same director as Birds of passage so I'll keep an eye out for it.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I'm going to see Roma and Birds of Passage this weekend. Really excited for both
Kaiser-Eoghan
As for the she-ra thing well, as I've gotten older I probably have avoided kids stuff more.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't want to see tokenism being seen as acceptance when it isn't, it feels that people are putting forth the idea that something is only being/can be accepted because its being portrayed in a tokenistic way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its fine, obviously to have strong female characters, Ripley in Alien, Sarah Conner in Terminator, awesome....Rey in star wars....no.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think too often shows and films, American ones today, are tokenistic or clicheed with inserting issues, merely just throwing them in or tacking them on for the sake of ticking boxes rather than any earnesty or doing anything.
Anonymous3086853
@SuperMario - I do. Yet at the same time it was a bit outside of my comfort zone, watching something like this considering that (let's be honest) msot shows are men oriented. Even the ones with great female characters. This one despite having tomboyish girls is mainly about these girls with male characters having supporting roles. I suppose that's were the uneasiness lies in my case.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Just got done watching both earlier, his dark humour jives well with me and I liked the concept.
SuperMario
@Kaiser @Animosh: if you haven't seen World of Tomorrow plsssss check it out. I can't recommend it highly enough
SuperMario
@Vonter: Maybe it's a good things that shows for general audiences like this have queer context. Don't you think?
Anonymous3086853
Also because I'm a bit immature, this show is kinda gay. There's a lot of ship baiting moments, one same sex couple in the last episode and rainbows, pastel colors, emasculated male characters and some female crossdressing.
Anonymous3086853
The weakest aspect is that several secondary characters get lost in the shuffle. Kinda like Big Hero 6 in which the team had personalities but just didn't had the time to develop in any meaningful way. Still both the main cast and villains were good and like I say the protagonist and antagonist had strong arcs for a first season.
Anonymous3086853
So I now finished watching She Ra, and it got even better as it was building towards the season's end. Thes strongest aspect is the rivalry between Adora and Catra, the chemistry is very strong, kinda like Optimus and Megatron or Xavier and Magneto. In which both parts seem equally capable and to have mind games with the other.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh hey cool, rain town is done by the Penguin hhighway anime movie guy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It looks like I haven't seen Don Hertzfedlts World of tomorrow films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also Prince Achmed and How Wang-Fo Was Saved.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah. yes, thanks animosh, I had a look at Rain town there, I like the style it was done in, it achieves the emotions its trying to convey well without needing dialogue, piano score actually helps rather than hinders.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Glassy ocean, that was another short I watched lately.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh inka isha is country doctor.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know Mario has seen this style on animation, but anyone else see any oil on glass animation?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually prefer robot carnival to genius party but liked both.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Zepo, The Pride of Strathmoor were recent animated shorts I watched.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Recently I watched two shorts, death and the mother and pleasures of war.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd say any eastern european short films would be worth anyones time.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not familiar with rain town or Inaka Isha .
Amagi
Kaiser: Have you seen Inaka Isha from Kafka?
Animosh
In the meanwhile, though, I'd also be very interested in recommendations! The shorts I mentioned are among my favorite animated works, so if you know anything similar, please let me know. :)
Animosh
For western animation I really like the Don Hertzfeldt shorts. And there was this short called "Rain Town" that was really impressively animated. I'm sure there were others, but my long-term memory is pretty lousy. If something else comes to mind I'll let you know.
Animosh
I'm pretty sure you're already going to be familiar with all of my favorites, but here you go: Morimoto's shorts are all fantastic (Dimension Bomb, Beyond, Noiseman Sound Insect, etc), and two others that come to mind are Cat Soup and Kigeki (or Comedy) by Nakazawa. There are also some great collections out there (like the Genius Party ones), but again, you've probably seen those already.
Kaiser-Eoghan
If anyone has any suggestions for weird short animations, I'm looking for excuses to watch some more and I'm in the mood for them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Masky: Mario's youtube link had cgi models of rem and ram in the video.
Masky
I'm confused when was Rem even mentioned
Kaiser-Eoghan
I only ever watched he-man and stuff related to it in passing when I was younger, Conan was more my thing back then.
Kaiser-Eoghan
For so long I'd always referred to she-ra as she-man.
AidanAK47
@Mario, What is this heresy!
....
....Rems always cute.
Anonymous3084910
Hilda is fine, though is very laidback kinda like a young reader's novel. It has its moments but its fantasy with slice-of-life coming of age.
Anonymous3084910
@SuperMario Yeah I know, She Ra is the twin sister of He Man. But strangely it seems Dreamworks may not have the right to those characters. It was a marketing idea trying to bring more girls to that universe but like most girls show from the time it had a very flat depiction of what little girls want to see.
SuperMario
Sorry Aidan, I know it's blasphemy but I have to post here. Enjoy the OP song with the twins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9MUjISNm0U&index=4&list=PLU56jBSlcHw8-ol9Hi4lJ0GR0tU6EOf2a
SuperMario
I'll probably check out Hilda. Heard a lot of hypes about that show
SuperMario
@Vonter: I've heard of She-Ra, she's the female counterpart (well, sister) of He-Man (the most powerful man in the universe and the secret identity of Prince Adam). Sounds silly but I'm not even kidding
Vonter
All in all, despite not being a big thing, I think is an enjoyable recommendation. My only nitpick is that it maybe too light hearted for some kinda like above My Little Pony but below something Voltron. Also despite being less childish than the original is still kinda of girly with lots of pastel colors although it balances it a bit having girls being more tomboyish in different degrees.
Vonter
Like with Voltron it amuses me seeing anime tropes being played through western lens. Since I'm a bit hesitant to say that could this count as a harem series despite not being male gaze moments? Also having the most sensible hotspring episode I've seen.
Vonter
In this one this She Ra has pathos. A bit like Korra there's doubt in her role and also a complicated relationship with her rival. I do like the role reversal in the knight's tale this clearly is, in that most roles that would be played by men are played by women in this story. Matriarchy, displacement of both femminine beauty but also empowerment.
Vonter
So I've watched some of the new She Ra from Netflix. So far I'm in, it's not deep but it's quite charismatic. I do like there's more pathos in regards to these characters which pretty much were confined to their archetype to an extreme like the original Power Rangers.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It manages to make watching something like running engaging, when I'd otherwise probably not watch the sport. Also, last week the show ended up popping into my head when I was sitting around doing pretty much nothing and made me think "Ok fuck it, not sitting around doing nothing, going to go out for a run around the block"
Lenlo
I also agree, characters losing in sports is important. They can't start at the top, it makes the series lose meaning
Lenlo
I quite enjoyed Kaze Fui this week. I think your correct that the one who got the reality check was Kurahara, who thought he was the only one able to actually make it. I also thing that he has a competitive streak a mile wide, and might be a little afraid of failure. Doesnt think the team can make it, so why bother
Kaiser-Eoghan
Think I wasn't i the mood for honda-san this week even though I laughed.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know I like it when sports series actually show the characters you know...actually lose.
Anonymous3083989
Huh, interesting in this episode of Kaze ga that it's Kakeru who got a reality check during the track meet since he was beaten by two other runners. I think we're due for an episode soon where he has to confront his past demons instead of fleeing from them.
Anonymous3083626
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Aging in fiction, I think has more to do with the story than the characters. I mean the jokes about Ash Ketchum, Detective Conan, Archie. The Flinstones tried to make different stories by aging Pebbles and Bam Bam. Or Batman having two Robins graduating into their own heroes. But in the end dynamics change, hence why most cartoons don't age the characters.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which is why when aging does occur in anime/manga, such as in vinland saga or nanoha for example, its appreciated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And of course, animated characters often don't age much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can remember enjoying the simpsons movie back when I watched it, but thinking about it it really was just an extended episode. Really the show peaked with the who shot Mr Burns episode. Catching bits of recent episodes and seeing them use modern stuff while they never age seems weird too.
Amagi
I do think series are allowed to move forward though, I am kinda interested in the Pkmn movie for example. But certain shows should just end, Simpsons for example was a parody of the 90s, it just can't work in a more modern setting IMO.
Amagi
I stopped with the Simpsons when Maude was killed/died, it was just a step in the wrong direction they should have never done and it killed the series for me. I disliked it before already though, I think I noticed the series getting worse since season..9? Or 10, not sure anymore.
Amagi
Anime for Dorohedoro announced.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Therefore ruining the fanservice fun for everybody.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite beach episodes are ones where it rains and they end up not being able to go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
After that it was just the film for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually, regarding the simpsons, the episode I stopped on was sometime in the early 2000s, Homer was stuck on some island resort or something.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I suppose it was just as much a case of falling out of watching/playing too and then there being so many episodes/games catchup was impossible. I probably should read the manga someday.
Anonymous3081957
@Kaiser-Eoghan -Kinda like Sponge Bob, Power Rangers or The Simpsons, I can't blame those who move forward, It's imposible for a show to go that long without losing steam. I did check the Sun and Moon first season and while I think the personality and energy is better it doesn't exactly push the concept forward. Still somehow Pokemon is still a phenomenon.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: Very strange hearing a Pikachu talk with Ryan Reynolds voice. But my days of pokemon are behind me.
KyokoHyuga
?????
KyokoHyuga
who likes pokemon here
SuperMario
@Amagi: I think the person who made the sub for Maquia did a pretty neat job. Not perfect but the translation flows well
Vonter
We've seen realistic Pokémon fanart, but how does a movie looks when it attempts it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CKgQFo5U8
Amagi
How are the subs for Maquia? I only heard anons complain about it.
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In following anime seasons it can be quite an experience to follow a show as it airs as the hype and rollercoaster of reactions can be entertainment in its own right. In that regard Darling in the Franxx was a hell of a ride as week by week peoples feelings for it ran hot and […]