Posted by psgels on 5 August 2010 with categories: Anime Reviews




Back when this series first aired, I remember dropping it after only one episode because “the premise didn’t look interesting”. Now, I really am not sure what I was thinking back then, having just failed to give one of the best romances of its entire decade a fair chance. Now that I finally watched it, I fully get the praise this series has been getting. This isn’t just a good romance, it blows away just about every other romance I’ve seen away.

This series has 47 episodes, right? Well, it puts just about all its time into its character-development. The main characters here are truly dynamic: they just keep changing and evolving and despite the huge focus on drama within the series, it remains realistic and believable. The side-characters in the meantime also receive their fair share of development throughout the series, with all of them being varied, interesting and portrayed far away from stereotypes.

With all the silly shounen romances out there, this really is one of those series that is a breath of fresh air with its mature outlook on romance. The characters here have quite a number of flaws, but it always manages to stay away from a cheesy shoujo drama because it really treats all of its characters like adults, and gives them enough time to really show why they’re worried, why they behave like they do, and why they make the decisions they make throughout the series. And seriously, this just goes on for forty-seven episodes and instead of keeping a slow pacing, it always manages to keep its plot flowing, and keep the balls into the air. Even the best romances have their moments in which they’re rather boring or tedious. Nana doesn’t.

If I had to mention a flaw, then I’d mention that the portrayal of rock and punk bands is a bit simplistic here, compared to the realism of the rest of the series: this series never really claims to give a good insight about the music industry, and instead it just uses what it needs for the sake of the characters. Also, the ending. It’s not like the series ends without a conclusion: it actually wrapped the story up pretty neatly, but it also ends with a “there’s going to be a second season so let’s make you as hungry for that as possible”-note. That’s nice and all if that second season actually came, but now I’m just hungry for something that was probably just a publicity stunt.

But seriously though, Nana really showed the power of josei-series. It really is one of the most well rounded romances I’ve ever seen. Whether it’s THE best, I’m not really sure yet (Maison Ikkoku also was extremely good and twice as long), but I do want to say that I have never seen a romance show that went on for more than 13 episodes, and had such a tight plot, and yet it never feels like it’s forced.

Storytelling: 9/10 – It can really get depressing, but the dialogue, pacing and atmosphere are all really excellent.
Characters: 10/10 – Just brilliant. The cast is dynamic and constantly evolving.
Production-Values: 9/10 – The style of this series is off the charts. A grand soundtrack, and Madhouse makes just about every scene look cool.
Setting: 9/10 – Its portrayal of the music industry is rather simplistic, but apart from that it is a very realistic series with characters who really feel part of this setting.

Suggestions:
Maison Ikkoku
Asatte no Houkou
Macross Plus

36 Responses

  1. inachan says:

    I too really loved Nana, it is one of my absolute favorites animes and manga!

    I just wanted to add that the ending of the manga is exactely how things are written in the corresponding manga chapter, and I don’t think it means to really make you hungry.
    It was just a very good spot to end the anime because it gives you a sense of “wrapping things up” but this is in reality the first of many flashbacks that come in the manga and that just only begin to tie things togheter.

    If you go on reading the manga, the story continues flawlessly from the end of the anime without any breaks; I personally find it intelligent that they didn’t change a thing so they are ready if there ever is a sequel (if the manga will ever be finished) and didn’t betray the original work.

  2. inachan says:

    Of course I meant that the ending of the ANIME is exactely how things are written in the corresponding manga chapter… sorry about that

  3. Kyosei says:

    I remember back when this ended they said this series will continue once the manga has finished. However, unfortunately the manga atm is on hiatus/in limbo because the writer/artist is a bit stuck on how to finish it.

  4. Kim says:

    I liked Nana at first when it was more focused on the relationship between the two Nana’s but after awhile it became too much like a soap opera for me.

  5. kagura says:

    Yes, finally! I’m glad you liked Nana this much. It’s definetely one of the best series I’ve ever seen and there’s probably no other series that I’ve been so much emotionally involved in and that would break my heart in so many different ways (okay, maybe except for One Piece).

    I’m still hoping that the second season comes eventually, sooner or later, ’cause the manga is great and definetely deserves it like no other. The anime did the manga justice, in my opinion. That’s exactly the way Yazawa Ai’s mangas should be adapted, which can’t be said about Paradise Kiss – that one was a total disaster for me.

    By the way, are you planning on watching Gokinjo Monogatari? It’s another adaptation of Yazawa Ai’s manga which I find to be quite good. The anime was running since 1995 to 1996 and has 50 episodes overall. It’s not as good as Nana, but definetely has its charms and I highly recommend it :)

  6. blah says:

    Best part, Yasu’s conversation with Nana at the train station (so cool).

    Does anyone have the latest update about the manga. Did the mangaka quit? I thought thats what I read.

  7. senerikfred says:

    Last I heard, Yazawa was sick, and had some surgery, but may not go back to writing manga. I don’t believe it was specified as to whether or not she had the capability to do so.

  8. karry says:

    “This isn’t just a good romance, it blows away just about every other romance I’ve seen away. ”

    Several stupid sluts and their antics…yes, it is very romantic. I suppose you also love “Sex in the city” and paint your little pekinese pink ?

  9. Puran says:

    It was interesting for a while, but after that, yeah it turned into a bad soap opera, where superficial people have superficial problems about superficial situations.

  10. kagura says:

    If I remember correctly, we’ve already had this discussion here some time ago, whether or not Nana is superficial, and all. But as they say, haters gonna hate, so there’s nothing you can do about it if someone refuses to listen to your reasons…

  11. Puran says:

    And fanboys are gonna…. Fanboy….? :P

  12. Chris says:

    The characters were superficial on the outside but on the inside they fought with themselves to make the best decision but they just fell to their own faults most of the time. And that’s why I loved the show. The characters were like people. They try hard to be good but they are far from perfect.

    Despite being male I could really relate to what the characters went through. This show is also one of the few that handles sex scenes well. Intense, passionate, dirty.

  13. kagura says:

    @Chris
    My thoughts exactly. The main reason why I love Nana so much is because the characters are real, flesh-and-bone people and not some perfect beings without any faults and problems.

    @Puran
    Yes, I believe that the verb “to fanboy/fangirl” already exists in use :P
    And I don’t think that excessive fanboying/fangirling just for the sake of it is good either… although I think it’s still better for your health than hating :P

  14. Jeis says:

    I agree with Kagura completely,I think the main reason this is one of the few anime series I re-watch and still love is because the characters are soo real.

  15. 3mapletrees says:

    The music was also really awesome! I bought the album on itunes.

  16. Meep says:

    I loved this anime~ Very memorable, and I’ve always wanted a second season. x3 I was watching this when hardly any subs were out for the last few episodes though. D; Waiting was le painful~

  17. c160 says:

    Love this series,one of the most realistic portrayal of real people I’ve ever seen in anime.For me though,the main attraction is the friendship of both Nana.The way that both values the other above all else is really touching and beautifully portrayed.

    But yeah,that 2nd season won’t be coming any time soon,seems the mangaka is drained of both ideas and physical strength to do so X(

  18. Pachael says:

    Liked the manga as I read it though it bordered at times on whingy soap opera stuff. Hope Yazawa gets better and give us a kick arse ending :(

  19. Pax says:

    I noticed you’ve reviewed Nana and my impression after seeing the score and reading what you wrote was: really? Is psg getting more and more mainstream?

    While I don’t think I have watched more than half this series I concluded at that time that the only thing I liked about this series was the ost, the shoujo vibes were way to evident for me, way to silly at times, not nearly as realistic as you make it sound, basically, no reason for me to give it more chances.
    btw I would say that I am even more demanding when it comes to romance anime than you are.

  20. psgels psgels says:

    Pax: I wasn’t bothered by those shoujo vibes, but I can understand how the huge amounts of (melo)drama turned people off. But the line I’m rather puzzled by is: “Is psg getting more and more mainstream?”

    What exactly do you mean by that?

  21. LifeCarrier says:

    Glad you liked Nana, I also love good romances series like this one…have you tried Honey & Clover yet?, that’s another Josei which I really liked…

    Have you gotten around watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes yet? I feel like it’s gonna blow your mind and can’t wait till the day you watch it and review it…

  22. Pax says:

    psgels: that was just the 1st thought that crossed my mind when I saw you give such a high score to Nana, a series that is quite popular. Also, compared to a few years back I would say that you’ve started to enjoy some of the more mainstream anime compared to …let’s say Bateszi, another one of my favorite blogs, whose tastes in anime have pretty much remained unchanged during the years I follow his blog. Of course, there are still the occasional gems that I find thanks to your reviews and that is why I started visiting this blog in the 1st place. Maybe I exaggerated a bit with that remark, compared to other blogs you still review many other anime that are overlooked by most anime fans.

  23. inachan says:

    Why should something that is popular be necessarely bad? Shows many times earn and deserve popularity.
    A person should be free to like or dislike a show without worring about it being mainstream or not ; evolution of personality and tastes is the most natural thing.

  24. Reltair says:

    Glad to hear you liked Nana. I stopped 2/3rds through a while back, but I’ll eventually finish it. This series had some of the most dynamic main characters I have ever seen.

  25. kettobase says:

    Finally! :P

  26. bunnyl0ve says:

    I’m so glad you chose to review this. It is quite a mature and intricate story that evokes so much emotion from the viewer. The manga is no exception either. But I don’t think I can re-watch it… I cried too much the first time (^_^;)

  27. Alec says:

    OMG!!!…. its been like FOREVER since the mangaka published a chapter…

    This anime is good, but its obvious flaws will make people drop this…

  28. It was interesting for a while, but after that, yeah it turned into a bad soap opera, where superficial people have superficial problems about superficial situations.

  29. whoops forgot to finish my comment but yeah what that guy said I completely agree with. It just seemed like so much unnecessary drama, just because people like having sex, whoop de fucking do. I dont hang out with people who cause drama over something as silly as who-put-whos-equipment-in-whos-compartment. it just got to a point where it was like ok, why do you guys ALL have a big Orgy and stop being so damn emo over it i look at the comments at people saying oh this is just how real people act. . . NO IT ISN’T? Real people aren’t that damn retarded! and really that skinny kid who got dumped by nana for the rockstar and was being an emo whiny bitch over it totally made me stop watching the show, why should a woman have to put up with that for her *friends* bunch of weak losers, Go out and get a real job for fucks sake.

  30. Jenna says:

    Ok now that we are in august a year later… Anyone know when chapter 85 for nana will be out? Or has anyone heard if she has officially started up again?

  31. Vanilla says:

    @Jenna: The last I heard, she was close to a full recovery but wasn’t sure if she could finish or not. (Which makes me extremely sad! At the same time, I really do hope she gets better first, completely.)

    But, yeah, I highly doubt she’s going to continue. She claimed that she’d run out of ideas and didn’t feel up to it.

  32. Rhi says:

    People are being rather illogical with their judgements, if you ask me. I don’t know in what world there is any law that states “if it’s mainstream, it sucks and you’re a weeaboo for liking it/have lost your sense of good show.”
    I can, however, see how it’s “soap opera” reminiscent drama might be a bit of a deal breaker for some people, but personally, I always found it nice when, halfway through the story, you find yourself really wishing the characters could just go back in time and be happy. Nana really had that effect on me. I felt very attached to the characters.

    “Several stupid sluts and their antics…yes, it is very romantic. I suppose you also love “Sex in the city” and paint your little pekinese pink ?”
    Now this just makes me angry. I’m sorry it does, but if you really can’t find any depth in this series what so ever other than “several stupid sluts and your antics,” you’re either blind, rather shallow, or a steriotypical stupid man with YOUR antics.

    So everyone who has boy problems is a slut. Yes, right. I know several woman from whom you would earn a good slap from. >_>

    As for if you’re a female, I’m glad you found THE ONE on your first try, and avoided any drama. I’m sure everything’s just rainbows and unicorns-… oh? Isn’t it? You must be a slut, then.

  33. Lexxy says:

    I remember watching Nana series few years ago and recently I started watching it again. I find the story still interesting as ever,I love the twists in the story. Then again, it’s quite depressing that the manga series is still on hiatus.. :(

  34. David says:

    Are you a girl Miss Blogger , cause I thinking you highly rate shoujo Animes ….

  35. ComatoseBunny says:

    This anime really just hit me hard.
    Right now I’m 16 years old, and I read the manga and watched the anime when I was 12 years old. Four years, and this is still my favourite anime of all time.
    In regards to whether it’s superficial or not; it is but it’s not. I think what Ai Yazawa (author) wanted to point out, was how frail we are as humans and how we tend to cover up our insecurities with the superficial aspects of life. It’s ‘silly’, but that’s to add to the whole picture and the message she tries to convey.
    Sigh. I think it’s one of those animes in which if you understand it, you do. But if you don’t, it seems pretty retarded.
    -SPOILER ALERT-
    As for the ending, it pretty much sums up what will happen…however, the manga itself never ended. The author fell ill and has never picked up her pen to write the rest of it. I hope one day she might finish the story, but for now, I reckon that this unfinished ending is the ending it was supposed to have.

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Anonymous3324478
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Animosh
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Animosh
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Animosh
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Lenlo
Not for bloggin
Lenlo
While I love Mob, I am a bit happy its only 1 cour. I couldnt do 3 2 cour series
Animosh
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Animosh
As far as I can tell the only source is some guy in Twitter, so not sure how reliable it is
Vonter
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Devilman Lady is what comes to mind on how to do this type of show better. That one had also a special agency for supernatural incidents, has a simple but compelling main character, uses it's time to build atmosphere and mood and even the action while a bit stilted had better monster design and the violence it's graphic but entertaining like Robocop.
Vonter
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Ok I will check. I'm also curious where it goes in terms of tone. Because it's all over the place.
Vonter
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Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Keep me posted of magical girl spec ops in case it does turn into the kind of guilty pleasure shlock it should.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Is this vonter? If you register an account you can keep the name.
Anonymous3321080
But I think what gets me the most its how it beats the dead horse of the 80s action hero arc. Van Damme, Arnold and Stallone had more or less these type of lines. Its kind of funny this anime pretends these aren't tropes we don't use anymore because of how corny they come off. It'll definitely work better as an abridged series since it can be very boring when it tries to add the school life moment
Anonymous3321080
Also Mahou Spec Ops... Is interestingly bad. It tries to be exploitative and shocking but feels very sloppy, kinda like that meme of *slow heavy metal music plays* It also wants to play it like a dark shoujo anime, but the cute monsters are just distracting.
Anonymous3321080
Reading your conversations about idols, despite being mediocre Gokudolls and Ore Mahou Shoujo made jabs at that culture. At least painting some aspects that may be true of how exploitative it is. I suppose because those are subpar, over the top and cheap is what they can do that. Can't remember one aside from Perfect Blue which criticizes that industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But only if there was more anime noirs.
Amagi
Reminds me of that stalin vs hitler comic. Think it was russian. They're attacking each other with magical super powers there. And yeah, I love noir now that you mention it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: That'd make for a great noir story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Imagine Stalin and Hitler trolling each other on twitter.
Amagi
It's easy to construct superiority when you never have to show your private face and never participate in mundane chat talks or so.
Amagi
I bet a lot of people who had some aura of authority back then due to only ever appearing in books or for very rare (scripted) speeches would probably laughing stocks now if we'd see them commenting on daily stuff and news on twitter or reddit.
Amagi
I personally have given up upon having heroes. I still find a lot of historical people interesting but let's be real the few of them that weren't blatanly bad in some way were different then we imagine them to be (even if they're good). Just look how different people feel now that you see them tweeting on twitter VS policians etc decades ago.
Amagi
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Amagi
Yeah we are always searching for some sort of über-ich or perfect being that symbolizes the goal of some personality growth we're trying to achieve.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or the reason why some people need to have so many things or idols they probably don't need.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think there is a genetic/mental inadequacy in humanity that makes us susceptible to following "higher people who we forget are actually human" because of our own desire for an avatar or general inadequacy as human beings.
Amagi
Yeah this. It's probably also why they defend them so eagerly. Because it's actually true that "their" version of that person would never do that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: And that probably creates a much stronger blow to them when the actor is found guilty of a crime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: Very good response.
Amagi
It's kinda weird how almost everything we know about others is actually just interpretation to some degree.
Amagi
The weird thing is that I think that many fans of acrots/celebrities rather create their own versions of them they fall in love with rather than loving the actual person, whom they barely even know. It's fun because the concept of a waifu sounds extremely weird to normal people, but many normal people kinda do this too but with real persons (but imaginary personality).
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think thats where it starts getting obsessive or where it gets too close to the next level, such as what the anon mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also can't bring myself to get too attached to a celebrity or to a character. I do look at hentai doujins yes but, I've probably had thoughts about certain actors or what not, but I never actually want to sleep with them, again I think that's taking fantasy too far.
Amagi
I never know if these are serious celebrations or rather some fun memes they do to post, I always assumed the latter. Kinda.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think the fans celebrating the idol's birthday thing is taking it to far too, especially if its an anime character.
Amagi
Yeah I was never an idol fan either, and I don't just mean the idol genre in anime but anything similar to idol stuff in general, like being a fanboy/girl of some celebrity or something. Was never able to get into that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its all too superficial.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Don't like the ideas it gives teenage girls either .
Kaiser-Eoghan
Certain topics just set me off =<
Amagi
The third episode of Wake Up girls was pretty good in that regard. I think it was the third one.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But yes, thats a pretty bad story what happened to the woman you mentioned.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Might be a good idea to catch some documentaries on that topic .
Kaiser-Eoghan
But that was just a sentence from some guy on a podcast though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now though I didn't see it, I do recall someone saying some of that Wake up girls idol anime slightly brought up seedier parts of the industry if not much.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The hallow shallowness of the idol industry I mean.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also dislike the shallowness of it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love how Perfect blue takes influences from those gialli/giallo style films from the 60s/70s to an extent, while also spitting on the industry.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But you know what sucks? A part of me, both in regards to those women (and probably some of the male idols) whether it be in reality or animation, I can't actually deny finding some of these men/women actually physically attractive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Music industry has its seediness just about everywhere and of course victim blaming going to appear everywhere, not just Japan.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*commodification-consumerist
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: I hate capitalism, I hate the idol communication-commercialist industry and the willing self-aware slaves and their masters who perpetuate it, the music is largely awful aswell. I don't watch most of the idol anime, I think the idea of 30 something men throwing cash it is awful.
Anonymous3319279
Wonder if there will be some modern equivalent of Perfect Blue? That was a scathing critique of the idol industry back in the late 90s. Although given how shows that are flat out glorifying the industry are the best-selling shows on BD every year, I doubt it.
Anonymous3319279
In short, she was assaulted by two men at her home who were then arrested. Then she was pressured by her managers into claiming that she was to blame for this, not the men and apologizing to an audience.
Anonymous3319279
Hearing about what happened to some idol named Mahohon seriously makes me wonder if idol culture in Japan seriously needs an overhaul and if media needs to stop glorifying the industry so much.
Anonymous3319260
Ok. No pressure, just asking.
AidanAK47
@Anon, we are working on it. It's nearing completion and should be posted soon.
Anonymous3318799
I don't know if I missed it. But have you put the overview of 2018? Of best show, best character, etc. Did 2018 had a good anime villain?
Masky
Anyhoo, surprisingly Lovecraft's books have some really faithful manga adaptions
Masky
A story set in world post "Cthulhu"(or whatever is setting equivalent) awakening and transcending humans into "savage" inhuman world that he is supposed to bring forth
Masky
Ya know, speaking of lovecraft here is what I really want to see:
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well I guess Die Farbe and whisperer in the darkness count and the cthulu one, the latter two were done by the Lovecraft society.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The closest we got with an actual adaptation was Dreams of the witchhouse , but they left out Nyarlathotep.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Those films were fun, but none of them dated well either.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have to seperate my knowledge of the books from Stuart Gordon and Brian yuznas films that borrow elements and titles from Lovecrafts works, once I accept their takes on him are just body horror a black comedies I can kind of accept it more.
Lenlo
I think Junji Ito's manga works have come the closest to Lovecrafts brand of horror, and we all saw how that adaptation went.
Lenlo
Yeah, Lovecraft is a hard one. Even his own books are hit or miss, because it is a very fine line for his brand of psychological horror. Would make for an interesting and unique anime if done well though
Kaiser-Eoghan
A lovecraft themed world would find some difficulty in getting the atmosphere right as he has proved difficult to adapt.
Lenlo
Ah. Yeah, a non-traditional setting like that would be good. I think Isekai, to really change it up, should start going for non-traditional settings. Sci-Fi, Lovecraft, etc. I think this was mentioned before yeah?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I believe the anon was saying it in relation to making a good setting for an isekai show.
Lenlo
Its why I standby Sakaki in this that, even if he was a dick about it, he is right to be angry at how it all placed out. Just not at Kurahara.

Also @Anon, I loved Bloodborne! No idea what the convo is about, but saw it mentioned
Lenlo
They should Kaiser, I agree. Just look at American college football right now. ITs coming out all over the place, and people wonder why teams dont speak out against it. Its because they are kids, they think "This is how its SUPPOSED to be. Only the best make it. Its not the coaches fault, he makes us win". etc etc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is a spinoff anthology for bloom into you's manga.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or other big issues relating to sports such as performance enhancing drugs.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Lenlo, a thought popped into my head there, more sports shows should focus on abuse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think flipflappers is one of my favourites in years, but it was definately at its best when it wasn't really about wrapping up its story.
Amagi
Space Dandy and Kaiba had this to some degree too. Liked both series.
Amagi
@Kaiser: Kinda sad that the latter half of Flip Flappers was rather weak because it started with this different worlds idea.
Amagi
I think Matsumoto stuff might actually be the very first anime I have seen in my life, not regularly though and usually when I was in Italy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The noir world could be in black and white.
Kaiser-Eoghan
How about another world that has different sections that follow different genres?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Helped greatly by his use of artistic cinematography and use of dramatic stills.
Anonymous3316528
Old anime has very bitter stories. Despite the old drawings, several had harsh live lessons. Osamu Dezaki had such a talent to direct drama.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I need to actually watch that Leiji Matsumoto stuff some day.
Anonymous3316528
Also Galaxy Express 99 I think also treated that topic.
Anonymous3316528
@Kaiser-Eoghan Wasn't that Gate?
Anonymous3316528
Just like how Gundam made one for the Vietnam War.
Kaiser-Eoghan
A proper story dealing with isekai and immigration crisis.
Anonymous3316528
I mean they could make an allegory of the Berlin Wall.
Anonymous3316528
So Papers Please the anime?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think a romance themed isekai involving borders and beraucracy getting in the way could work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked those czech Jules verne animations.
Anonymous3316528
I suppose the work for creating assets for new settings it's why they don't do it. Most Isekai seem like they can take a tree, or a house from previous works and just change them a little.
Anonymous3316528
On second thought, that was technically the Anastasia animated movie.
Anonymous3316528
@Kaiser-Eoghan - Yeah. Just take the roadmap Bloodborne put out. It's even the perfect setting for an antihero archetype, considering these settings are about the hunt, surviving and superstition. I'll also like the Russia setting, harsh weather, espionage, travelling through train, boat and land like Jules Verne's Ivan Strogoff
Kaiser-Eoghan
That time I got reincarnated in the Soviet union.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd love to see an anime set in Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Gothic horror or industrial if only for liking the genre. I still want my anime western.
Anonymous3316528
All in all as I always say. I want new settings, steampunk, western, egyptian, chinese, space, nuclear dystopian, castaway, underwater, skyworld, gothic horror. Or any other tired trope other than european medieval fantasy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, with the nostalgia of old games undertale went for, but without the maudlin di7alogue.
Anonymous3316528
Or something like Mad Max or the RPG series it inspired Metal Max. Maybe another one inspired by Phantasy Star.
Anonymous3316528
I got it! What if someone makes an Isekai on the vein of Earthbound or Undertale. I mean most are influenced by the standard fantasy JRPG. So why not take from the less typical ones?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just for the novelty of it, I would like to see an anime about a relationship between un-traditional/un-usual couples that we never see.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Maybe that'd be cheesy or something but they manage to form new friendship/families which allow them to put behind what they lost.
Amagi
I like semi-episodical series that have an episodical plot and a golden thread at the same time, the latter usually being more subtile or like a subplot and each episodical adventure gives the audience a few new hints or informations about the setting, characters or main plot.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wouldn't even mind a drama driven otherworld story about a depressed person trying to move on and the new world actually helping them move past that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
So how about my don-quixhote anime Japan =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
But at the same time there's a bunch of serious stuff, but its not clashing with the lighthearted stuff badly.
Kaiser-Eoghan
My favourite type of adventure story though are the ones where its more about the journey and hangout, sometimes the story appears here and there. And its usually centred around three goofballs with alot of chemistry.
Amagi
Sadly there never is any culture clash or culture shock either, speaking of the LN/game mechanic isekai here. The isekai people are just like the people of nowadays Japan but with swords and magic, basically. Maybe a few rituals at best.
Amagi
An isekai should be like King of Thorns despite KoT not being an actual isekai. But awakening in another world, not understanding anything, exploring, mysteries and slowly piecing things together that make the MC understand the logic of that new world a bit better while trying to integrate into the foreign culture.
Amagi
@Kaiser/Anon: I feel like that too. I love explore and isekai would be perfect for exploration and yet it's always about the MC finding his place as soon as he got teleported, he finds his crew, friends, house, power and so on.
Amagi
@Anon: You're right I watched a few scenes, the dub actually fits pretty well to Nanbaka. The series itselfs is too insane for me I guess.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Lack of journey, focuses too much on harem/romcom bits.
Amagi
I have yet to watch Voltron. The animation looks somewhat weird to me but everything else I heard about it so far sounds pretty good.
Lenlo
I welcome the essays Kaiser! Sakaki is a much more complex character than I expected, and Animosh is right that it doesnt justify his actions. I didnt mean to imply that. I do think however that Sakaki is not wrong to be angry. He is just directing it at the wrong person.
Anonymous3316315
@Kaiser-Eoghan - In what sense? In that it isn't a journey? A quest? A series of trials? The hunt of ancient treasure? Or whatever dimension hoping happens in Milk Closet?
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Well said about Sakaki's character and I agree with you on it. Saves me writing an essay response now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Tangent, but I want to say something, one of the most annoying things about LNs is when they do the isekai thing, the other world almost never feels like an adventure.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I honestly wouldn't complain if it was full blown yuri or shoujo-ai.
Anonymous3316315
@Kaiser-Eoghan - A lot of series have hard ship baiting. Voltron, She Ra, Seraph of the End, Korra (which at the last second they did it). I know sometimes is a stretch like Frodo and Sam in LotR or Venom and Eddie. But other times it's that relationship in everything but name.
Kaiser-Eoghan
People seem to play up the shoujo-ai thing in Euphonium.
Anonymous3316315
@Amagi - Nanbaka has a good English dub. They knew the delivery had to be as hammy as possible.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm looking forward to those Gundam NT films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I didn't finish violet evergarden nor did I watch tsurune. In the priors case, that was something I would have seen myself liking maybe 10 years ago.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I liked Koe no kitachi aswell.
Kaiser-Eoghan
We can call it Racing Lads.
Amagi
Okay thanks. I can deal with slow pacing as long as there is an atmosphere or good character story.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Free and kaze cross over WHEN!
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked how scaled back it was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I think you were asking about the new kyoani movie earlier? I can't remember if I posted about it on here what I thought, but I actually liked it more than the main Euphonium series, it stood out in its adherence to using body language, silence and movements moreso than dialogue while giving me a coming of age movie I had been asking for. Though some won't like the glacial pacing
Amagi
KazeGa is pretty damn good. It kinda feels like it actually is what Kyoani is always trying to do when they produce sport series with a male cast that are half comedy half drama. But while I often like some aspects of Kyoani shows (like the setting and themes of VEG), I never like the execution, save from the looks of course that are awesome but don't help making the content any better.
Amagi
*above
Amagi
@SuperMario: IIRC mosts Steven Universe VAs are actual singers so they should be a level about typical VAs anyway. Not sure who's voice acting for RWBY.
Amagi
But since I watch everything seasonally subs are faster and I usually don't rewatch series, otherwise a rewatch could be a good reason to watch the dubs for the second time.
Amagi
At least eng dubs got way better in general over the yers. Probably because anime is more mainstream now. Maybe I would like many of them more if I started with the dub.
SuperMario
Maybe it’s a translation issue, by that I mean usually some nuance from the native language is lost in translation. That issue can be alright if it subs, but when saying it out loud it becomes unnatural?
Amagi
Japanese VAs also talk a lot about their characters and give interviews about them, including their own interpretations or head canon stuff. Not sure if western VAs of Japanese shows do that too.
Amagi
Instead when it's a foreign show there is nothing to do but to memorize the finished lines and everything is already set in stone, so you are 100% passive and can't really view it as your or your team's work.
Amagi
I often heard that western VAs thought up some ideas that were integrated into the script. Not sure if that's the case for most cartoons of if these were exceptions, but it could be a hint that VAs are way more involved into a show and the development of their characters when it is a native show, it's kinda logical.
Amagi
Yeah, native stuff is usually better.
SuperMario
Then again, I enjoy the English VA of western cartoon like RWBY or Steven Universe so I guess it’s just a matter of original intended language for me
SuperMario
Well, I’m not a fan of dubbing either. Not that much of a dub-hater but I remember watching Monster and Cowboy Bebop in english dub before I had to switch back to Japanese voice midway through
Amagi
Still living ones I mean. But as said actual movies are usually well dubbed, so I guess it depends on how much money something generates.
Amagi
I knew a bunch of old ones but they're all dead by now. Know maybe three or so with name and face (and often don't even recognize them in movies) and another 6-10 by name only.
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