Posted by psgels on 16 September 2010 with categories: Kuroshitsuji II



Look… just look at this picture. Got it?

In memory of

Ciel Phantomhive

Who died at Aug. 26th, 1889

That would have been the perfect ending here. That was how this episode SHOULD have ended. I mean, the creators wouldn’t be crazy enough to actually try and revive Ciel, right? They’re not going to do something as stupid as negating the entire ending of the first season. They couldn’t, right?

So yeah, we got trolled here; big time. Dear god, reviving is one thing, but get this: in his last moments, Alois forged a contract with Johanna that turns Ciel into a demon. Because he is a demon now, he can’t die, yet his contract with Sebastian is still running, even though there is no way for Sebastian to absorb Ciel’s soul. So yeah, Ciel and Sebastian will actually be able to live together FOR ALL ETERNITY. Bloody Nora, they actually went there. This series actually was entirely meant to realize the wish of the squealing yaoi fangirls to have those two together until doomsday.

I’m a bit bewildered by all of this, especially on how I’m going to write the review for this series. I mean, was this episode bad? It was perfectly told if you ignore the things it tried to tell: everything took its time to let all of the revelations play out, the second half of the episode was well produced in how the creators portrayed Ciel saying goodbye to everyone. I have no problems with that.

Now, whether or not the big twist is bad, here’s the thing: I have seen a ton of bad endings at this point, and this episode really looked like none of them. Usually, the endings that disappoint me are either the ones who lack ambition (as in, they resolve things fine but the way they do it does no justice to the build-up that it has gotten), ones that fail to resolve anything (it really depends on the rest of the series and how those delivered whether I dislike or accept those) or ones that are just too rushed.

This episode was neither. The creators knew exactly what they wanted to do (dammit!), they knew exactly which revelation they wanted to save for when, and they knew exactly how to plan everything out, not just in this episode, but throughout the entire series. I mean, how often did this series troll anyway? It feels like it trolled both the fans of Ciel and Sebastian as well as the fans of the new approach, twice or even more.

I’m really going to have to sort out my thoughts for a bit for the review of this series.
Rating: #^% (Akjsdfh)

22 Responses

  1. chounokoe says:

    Hmm, I honestly expected you to like this episode. Maybe I saw a certain tragedy in it that you did not see, or maybe I’m blinded somehow.

    But that was a bad end no matter how you look at it and no matter how you toss and turn it, it was no happy and for Ciel and Sebastian at all.
    The real Ciel died, just like the card said. He left his emotions and everything behind and is now a demon and Sebastian can’t even put an end to this because of the contract.

    Ciel also left behind all of the characters in a much more cruel fashion than what happened at the end of season 1. He even said to the servants that he did not care for any of them anymore. If they had fulfilled the wish of the fangirls I think they would have chosen a way to let Ciel live and Sebastian be bound for him again (like wishing for an alternate world and just returning to manga continuity).

    Well, just wanted to say this, because I’m honestly a bit surprised at how you understood the ending. But of course nobody can be forced to like something…and hey maybe I’m wrong here ^^°

    • Patty says:

      Yeah.. I agree with you…
      Ciel died. Y.Y and it’s freaking sad.

      The difference between Ciel and Alois, well, at least one of the many differences, is that Alois discovered that Sebastian had nothing to do with his brother’s death and that both Sebastian and Ciel had nothing to do with anything, but that was never important to him. He was just cruel and selfish. He didn’t allow the other to have whatever they want, their lives/deaths as they planned, their dinner… nothing. And maybe that’s just what Claude saw… an impure soul… while Ciel’s soul would do anything whith those who were in his way, but if they were not to blame, they would let live in peace…
      And you can see Ciel is sad when talking to Alois. He knows his destiny and he just want to see Sebastian’s face and reaction.. That’s his only motivation after his real death there… and when he sees.. he’s just a demons who saddens Sebastian. You can see Sebastian’s sad face when Ciels talks about burning the house and memories been worthless.
      It would definetly be perfect if Sebastian had his dinner after all.
      Gosh… So much fighting and cooking Ciel to… the end… be their perfect food frozen forever…

      Well as you can see I’m really a fan of happy endings. But if I follow the idea of “making a pact with the devil always goes bad for one’s side” it’s a moral lesson…
      …but screw that.. I wanted Ciel’s soul inside Sebastian!!! grrr…

  2. psgels psgels says:

    That’s what I’m on the edge about a bit. The more I think about it, the more I indeed end up liking the twist, but what got me was that the creators ended up finding some kind of way to have Ciel and Sebastian together. That’s about the only reason why I’m negative about this episode.

    Still, you have a very good point, yeah. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I like this episode and how it didn’t pull that reset ending.

  3. chounokoe says:

    Okay, I thought as much.
    Maybe it was because I was dreading a ‘reset and return to manga continuity’-ending more than a ‘Ciel and Sebastian together’-ending. Maybe that’s why it was easier for me to like the ending.

    In the end the pairing of Ciel/Sebastian is as much as set in stone by now, so I can live with that. At least their not happy with each other, dancing through the mansion and returning to the happy filler life we saw in episode 2 of this season.

    But I can understand your reason for that first impression a lot better now. I was just a bit surprised when I first read it. And thank you for replying, it’s always nice to see comments being taken seriously.

  4. psgels psgels says:

    Yes, sorry. While I do read every comment that gets posted on the site, I do realize that I don’t reply to a lot of them.

  5. Firechick says:

    “Rating: #^% (Akjsdfh)”

    Wow. This is the first time I’ve seen that rating from you…I’m guessing this means “WTF” or “HORRID!!!”…AWESOME! This is actually kinda refreshing seeing a rating like this from you.

  6. DestinyAlx says:

    never tought of seeing Psgels getting trolled by the same kuroshitsuji. It will be interesting to see how you review it at the end.

  7. lilacflame says:

    Did not see that one coming and if you think like Sebastian that ending is bad. I mean, he spent all that time to get the soul perfect only for someone else to eat it; he took his time reviving Ciel only for the soul to be incomplete; after a whole load of battles Ciel’s soul is finally ready but now Sebastian can’t have it.
    Seriously! If it was me i would be screaming for someone to return my wasted time. If he’s bound to Ciel forever does that mean he can’t even look for another soul?

  8. seductive_even says:

    I want them (Ciel/Sebastian) to be alive!

    If it’s so then both Ciel and Sebastian can eat souls. What is more Ciel can make contracts with human.

    As for Sebastian..pure daemon! he lost his “perfect dinner” ^_^ )) However I think that it’s some kind of revenge. Maybe I’m too cruel but imho it’s all Sebastian’s fault.. he lost Ciel’s soul in the 1 season, he made a f**n’ secret contract with Claude, he lied to Ciel, he didn’t save Ciel from the “soul exchange”!!

  9. Blue says:

    I actually really liked this ending. Like some people above have said, it seemed like the worst of both worlds. To me it seemed that Sebastian was really frustrated that not only can he never eat Ciel’s soul but now he’s contracted into eternal servitude. Plus now Ceil’s revenge is fulfilled all he’s left with is an aimless existence for all eternity. Yeah, Hannah trolled them good. ^^

  10. charcoal says:

    In my impression, even though you could say that this episode is aimed for the yaoi fangirls, I kind of disagree. It is pretty disappointing for yaoi fangirls because in the very end Sebastian states that he is now cursed for eternity. Which shows his unhappiness in having to serve/to be with Ciel for the rest of his…well, for eternity. And I don’t think that is a comment a fangirl would squeal at lol.

  11. keizon says:

    i like the twist in this final episode. at first it seems like a ‘fangirls ending’ where Sebastian and Ciel live ‘happily ever after’. but it is a lose-lose situation. Sebastian is stuck as Ciel’s butler for eternity, while Ciel has to live aimlessly as a demon.

  12. Jimmykitty says:

    I agree with the others who lean to the tragic side. This was a no-winners twist. In fact, it was an all-losers twist. Not even a draw. I liked it a lot.

    Ceil actually got what he wanted in the first season (once he remembered it in the second season). I kept expecting a happier ending, that Ceil would outsmart them all — which would give Sebastian hope in getting the soul he wanted. I am glad the anime went the other direction. It is tragic, which should always be the case when making a deal with the Devil (demon, or whatever you want to call it).

    But in this way the Devil tricked himself. Sebastian *hoped* to kill Ceil before he arose as a Demon, however, he failed. I’m not sure if Sebastian knew about his “last order as a butler” — perhaps that’s what he was trying to prevent. But in the end, he’s now in eternal servitude. It was hard to tell by the tone of his matter-of-fact voice if he was okay with that, or not.

  13. synkronized says:

    I have to say I loved how this ended. Seeing Sebastian getting trolled (hardcore at that) for once, was probably the most refreshing thing of both the Kuroshituji seasons.

    I’m happy for Alois pulling off something shrewd and dying off on a positive note. Despite being a brat, you could at least sympathize with his from the gutter past, unlike the trust-fund baby that is Ciel.

  14. Periscope says:

    I think this was truly a fitting ending. The series played well to the fans – I think this series did what it aimed to do, keep the fans mesmerized, put in a couple of WTF episodes in the beginning to whet out our appetites, and then start the ride at full speed. At the end of it all, Sebastian was portrayed perfectly. He is a demon, his aim is to consume Ciel, and kudos to the makers to blur the line in their relationship: was he helping Ciel due to a genuine growing fondness for the boy? Was Ciel in any way fond of his butler? The reality is that Sebastian, in his Machiavellian way is only dead set in achieving his goal: to obtain Ciels soul at any cost – “I only know the taste of a human soul”. Thank goodness the creators didn’t humanize Sebastian; to take pity, or spare Ciel his fate. One does pity the demon at the end however, (he looked pretty pissed during the whole episode)- cursed to eternal servitude

  15. Kaila says:

    Just out of curiosity. What happens to Sebastian if Ciel dies? like let’s say he’s been killed also by a demon sword?

  16. ann says:

    damn… i’ve been reading review for the last episode like crazy and is still haven’t come to an concluding as to whether i like it or not @___@ i dont like how they made ciel into a demon. i dont know WHY exactly, but the thought of ciel as a demon and living forever… looks wrong in my mind. i think he should have ided and sebastian should have taken his soul. DAMNNN.. WHY DID CLUADE HAVE TO INTERFERE !!?!?!?!? AHHHHHH…

    ok.. honestly im going crazy. i really dont know what i should think about the ending.. i think i need time to digest it all becasue i didnt even want to think about it yesterday when i finished watching the episode ^ ^”””

  17. Fiona says:

    I agree, this is a good ending.

    Also I think the writers were very smart in playing out the whole “once you lost something, you can’t get it back” theory, which is Ciel’s belief. Sebastian lost Ciel’s soul, he tries to get it back throughout the course of the second season, but even after he did, Ciel’s soul is different, and there’s no way Sebastian can have the original soul of Ciel because he can’t take a second revenge on the angel who is already dead. This is just my thought, I don’t know if they actually intended it to be that way or not.

  18. andrea says:

    I fucking hated the ending! I wanted sebastian to kill ciel but no ciel had to go and become a fuckig demon. now he’s going to have to live forever with that little bitch! poor sebastian i feel so bad for him and i’m a fucking yaoi fangirl who loves pairings like those two but i wanted ciel to die so bad i nearly cried when he didn’t.

  19. Azura Ravenhart says:

    *spoiler?*

    I feel that the ending was fine not to mention terribly funny for me. I loved the fact that the twist was so drastic and I enjoy the idea of Sebastian forever being in Ciel’s servitude. I felt that he is a demon and he somewhat deserved it. Though, I also think that they could have left off with the first season and been done with it. I’m glad they didn’t though, because I wouldn’t have been dying from laughter at Sebastian’s predicament. Then again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

  20. Pepp says:

    Ugh hated this entire second series and the awful ending was just the icing on the cake.
    What was the purpose of the reapers in this season? Griel’s mildly annoying antics were intolerable here. Sebastian and Claude’s behavior read like a jealous catfight; not sexy. And neither Ciel nor Alois were likeable characters. The only character I found myself mildly routing for was Sebastian. I wanted him to kill Ciel so bad. Then for him to be bound to Ciel’s bratty ass for all eternity; awful any way you slice it. And what was with all the contract, rulebreaking nonsense going on here? Why build up this contract and order business to such a great degree only to have the demons regularly break it? If that’s the case then how is Sebastian suddenly bound for all time to this asshole kid? Ultimately Sebastian fulfilled his end of the bargain. He should get to kill ciel.

    I just pretend like the second season never happened.

    • Patty says:

      It’s just a way of saying “daemon’s contracts are tricky” .. don’t do one…
      And the worst part is that Ciel wanted Sebastian to have his soul so bad!!!

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@Mario: Currently downloading okja.
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I’m content with giving it three stars and its made me want to spend my weekend watching films multiple about Hiroshima.
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I liked how the voice acting didn’t really feel like anime voice acting. You sort of get used to the character designs eventually.
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@Mario: As I said recently , today would be the day I saw in this corner of the world, I just got back from it.
I’ll start by saying that I don’t feel its worthy of the 5 stars its receiving, nor would it hold up to Kuroi Ame by Imamura Shohei or Takahata’s grave of the fireflies.
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KT here: Next RE:Creators episode seems to be a gag episode. Not sure how I feel, though obviously the creators need a break.
SuperMario
yeah, usually 1 small arc = 2 to 3 episodes. We have 3 mini arc left so I would say about 6 episodes
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Actually from what I hear, there isn't enough material left in Owarimonogatari to make a full course. Seems like it's one volume with would equal 6 episodes at best.
AidanAK47
Like hell. There's about five more Monogataris to adapt. Anyway it's not that you are not getting it but rather instead of one cour it's going to be all aired within two days as specials. The runtime of the specials is up for debate but you are still getting it.
SuperMario
the loss of the FINAL one, you mean.
AidanAK47
@Mario, I wouldn't grin evilly about it but there's like over ten Monogatari animes. Kinda hard to be sad over the loss of one.
SuperMario
According to ANN, this new Owarimonogatari will be a special 2-day events, which honestly I don't know what that even means. Most of you might grin your evil grin right now but I'm crying inside with that news.
SuperMario
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KT
Thus Little Witch Academia comes to an end. I will miss it. Despite the mistake IMHO of the Croix Arc, this was a good series, and the last episode went back to the very elements that made me love it at the start. It was a happy series, and gave me a warm fuzzy feeling in some hard times. I thank it for it. It could had been exceptional, but I guess they wanted to try something more.Ah well.
AidanAK47
Really glad they used that Scarborough fair song one last time before the finale. I really love that song.
Anonymous1215349
SukaSuka's finale was beautiful, a great way to end a great anime.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I guess the big question I have is, do the character interactions coupled with what assume will be some kind of tragedy element work together well enough to make the viewer care and invest in the characters?
AidanAK47
So that's the end of SukaSuka. Better than I thought it would be. Honestly didn't give it enough of a chance in my preview. As far as light novel adaptions go it's above average. Though it does still suffer from it's cliches. Nothing outstanding but a worthwhile watch nontheless.
Anonymous1214845
Have you seen Shonen Jump is making an international manga contest? https://medibang.com/jumpplus/entry/
SuperMario
@Lenlo: you know it when you see it. At first I didn't believe they jumped the shark, but based on the events after that twist, yep it has settled for something much cheaper imo.
Lenlo
For Bahamut, im still enjoying it and we have another cour to go. I think it, and the first Bahamut, are good shows. For Kado, im only on ep 4 so im very curious what shark gets jumped
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think given the pace I'll watch 1-2 or 2-3 episodes of re creators instead of once a week.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the end Bahamut suffered the same fate as the first one, I could never call it a bad show, I just never ended up feeling it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've given my thoughts on tsuki ga kirei before on here but I'll add by saying that I never expected it and uchouten 2 (despite the weak wrap up I liked the lead up) to be my favourite of the season.
Kaiser-Eoghan
About five years ago or so could have seen myself really having been in the mood for LWA.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wasn't as impressed with Uchoutens finale as Mario was,I found myself more annoyed by how clumsily done it all was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
For me kado jumped the shark with its latest direction and Aidans review along with flicking through this weeks episode kind of confirms I'm done with the show. A show I was initially unsure of but thought might become something.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Yeah....at least LWA's finale was pretty good and I think there's a possibility of a second season. With the Criox/Chariot plot line out of the way I say they could really bank on it's potential. Even if they don't, this series was still quite enjoyable.
Anonymous1211365
Man I couldn't agree more with Aidan about LWA and Kado. I still like and enjoy Kado but damn it could have been so much more.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ntr trap appears to be a non-seinen/shounen yuri manga given its publication magazine.
Vonter
Not all people work as fast, but that's what companies expect nowadays. Which is why CGI is preferred over practical effects. Or even why anime has used more 3D that painted backgrounds, cars or other props that take time and work to be drawn.
Vonter
No. I get deadlines are tough. Companies and customers want everything made as fast as humanly possible, yet reality is that making things good takes time and money. I wouldn't be surprised that's why Berserk comes out every 6 months, the art is too detailed and the story is slow paced. Yet the anime was planned to be made in a year or two so it's evident either way, crunch is expected.
Lenlo
I think you misunderstood what he meant when he said the industry was a mess. Mangaka routinely work themselves into a hospital because of the demanding schedule
Vonter
Then there's the franchise appeal. Which inherently gains something because of persistence, awareness and name. It is hard when great visual effort is mainly put in things that are guaranteed to be a hit, because original stuff tend to make mistakes to find their own identity. Which in itself makes them very risky affairs.
Vonter
It's also a heavy flaw of the internet, having mainly binary opinions of good or bad. Which makes it hard to tell if you'll like something in the 7s like Nier or Alien 3 (might not be a 7 but opinions make it sound like it is). Divisive products that may or not may suit one's tastes.
Vonter
Personally I think the issue has become what suits your tastes, what are you willing to give a chance and what hits beyond the medium it is presented.
Vonter
@AidanAK47 "Manga in general is great but Jesus Christ the industry is a mess". - I mean, movies, games, and other entertainment have the same issue, since everyone has a big slice of the pie, yet there are like a million things competing for one's attention.
SuperMario
On that note, apart from the 3 shows I'n currently covering (Eccentric Family, Tsuki ga Kirei and ID-0), I will give a full review on Grimoire of Zero, a show that I feel rather difficult to pinpoint exactly on its quality.
SuperMario
Can't believe we approaching the final week of this current season. Gonna be a busy week of blogging with the usual weekly posts plus the final impressions.
SuperMario
@Anon1206174: I agree with you on both counts. And Sakura Quest has never been bad, but it could have been deeper and less messy. If you plan to watch ID-0 (I suggest you do), don't get your expectation too high because it works much better when you expect nothing of it. Like each episode I was genuinely surprised how good ID-0 actually is.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember one of Aidan's visual novel posts where he said theres potentially hundreds of VNs un-translated and LNs too, makes me wonder just how much un-translated manga we are missing out on.
Anonymous1206174
The ID-o posts sound pretty interesting, I am really thinking of dropping Sakura and watching this instead. Really loved the beginnign of Sakura and that abandoned town atmosphere it had, but I am not feeling it anymore. The recent episode about Shiori was great again though..
Kaiser-Eoghan
*looking
Then again he's an extremely forgetable person.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh Godammit, looing back over my comments I meant to say Souta not Setsuna, I suck at remembering non-English names.
Anonymous1205999
Meh - I really like this season but I already have my first cases of 'good-show-disappointing-ending/second half'
Anonymous1206022
KT Here:RE:Creators , we need to know more about the rules for Altair to see if that works. It might, and it might not. With what they know they have a good plan. But I was thinking why not just do a Super Smash Bros type game with the characters? I am sure that would generate enough stuff in order to lock her.
SuperMario
On Re:Creators, I find a better solution instead of going all cross-media like the show suggests. Someone could just make some fan-fiction on Altair that purposely show her weakness (like get busted when expose to the sun, or the magic word that render her skills useless). Less efforts, more effective
SuperMario
Man, I agree wholeheartedly with what KT said here: mass media actually sells, so it keeps the industry to a more stable position; then the art-house/more adult oriented anime can have some freedom to do what they like.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its more that I have to read it all at the same time as expecting action to come , it might change my mind if I watched it in English.
Anonymous1205580
KT here: I accept the mass media because it raises the funds for the less mainstream stuff I like. That is how I make my peace.

On RE:Creators. I get what you guys say. But for some reason I do not find the exposition heavy in this series. Every person has his own limit I guess
Alonaria
@Kaiser: Yep, that sounds about right, lol. I take my Sheldon in concentrated doses. I might give the Young Sheldon spin off an episode or two because it's highly exaggerated but still somewhat relatable to me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel big bang theory is a show for people who know nothing about nerds/nerd culture to find funny.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And then theres this thing about Sheldon being some kind of autism spectrum thing , which is kind of annoying to hear when I am on the spectrum myself and never really found the character all that amusing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Probably not the strongest reason to go off a show but, it was people around me going on and on about big bang theory that eventually put me off it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
lol is it any surprise Miura and the hunter x hunter guy take so many breaks =P
Alonaria
*Sheldon
Alonaria
I pick and choose Big Bang episodes that I enjoy. Shelden in the ball pit never ceases to amuse me. Still, it's definitely overrated haha.
Lenlo
IT Crowd > Modern Big Bang. Early Big Bang was good.

And yes, the work conditions in the Manga Industry are terrible. Oda, One Piece Mangaka, works stupid hours. He requests his assistances be "Willing to die for One Piece" because of the amount of work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And hell yeah"! someone else thats hates on big bang theory.
IT crowd > big bang.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*more safer
Kaiser-Eoghan
And yet now here I am at same time, I think it might be kind of a shame that I can't see the value and fun anymore in some less safer offerings.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I thinking I might go insane if I looked up comments defending the visuals in occultic; nine.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hate to say it but sometimes opinions, mainstream ones are actually wrong. Its a fact that superhero films have bad action scenes and cinematography and Hardboiled, a chinese action film is better filmed in terms of choreography.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As dickish as this is to say, I really do recoil when ssomeone says something like the Notebook or fifty shades is the best film of all time/their favourite.
Kaiser-Eoghan
See theres also factoring in the people whos favourite film or anime of all is the most recent they finished.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I remember mentioning recently that I was re-watching the twilight zone, the response I got was "I thought that you were talking about twilight"
Kaiser-Eoghan
See thats whats so great about being able to talk about more niche stuff online, theres an easier to find common ground.
AidanAK47
In general when it comes to mass popular opinion it's the tried and true safe stuff that ends up selling. The highest selling Mario games are the New Super Mario ones. The same generic Light novel and harems keep selling. There are plenty of examples but majority opinion tends to gravitate to the safe and familiar.
Kaiser-Eoghan
See, most (offline) people (and or teenagers)who aren't really all that interested in film or don't look into it that much will turn out for things like fifty shades, transformers or twilight, thats why those are popular. Most people aren't going to watch something made more than a few years ago or subtitled.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh...lol fuck thats a blunder...yes I meant Re:creators.
Kaiser-Eoghan
But by all means, people are fully entitled to like what they like. But there is a reason why so much rubbish gets popular.
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, Re:Creators.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As someone who would actually consider themselves creative and interested in things being imaginative I really do hate the whole anti-creativity /anti-art, anti-intelligence movement and way of thinking that allows un-deservedly popular things like what Aidan mentioned to fester.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yes Re:zero's poor pacing and leaden dialogue is becoming too dominant and there should be more action, its good Setsuna opened up, but I still don't particularly like him.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine the magazines/editors probably consider themselves the writers sometimes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Pretty sure I only read nisekoi because I was keeping up with conversations about it, then dropped it before the Chitoge doublie showed up, just stopped reading.
AidanAK47
On the matter of Re:Creators, I feel the same as the Anon said. I find the exposition to just drone on far too much.
AidanAK47
On the matter of the manga industry being shit...it is. Manga in general is great but Jesus Christ the industry is a mess. Work conditions are utterly abhorrent and it's even worse that most series live or die based on a magazine popularity poll.
Because just because something is popular, does not mean it is quality. Example: Transformers, Twilight, Fifty shades, Sword Art Online, Big Bang theory
AidanAK47
@Anon, Still not getting your logic here. I mean if I have a problem with it after trying it then why am I not allowed to complain about it? Anyway it is only popular for the pandering. Even those who like Nisekoi admit that it's a mediocre harem and they mainly enjoy the waifu wars on the internet.
SuperMario
and now we will resort to illegal streaming sites for this one. "Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem", this f*cking true
SuperMario
Huh? Welcome to the Ballroom Anime Gets Amazon Prime-Only Streaming Inside and Outside Japan. Now that just unbearable
SuperMario
Don't know about this new Re:Creators episode since I haven't watched it, but I don't really mind Meteora. Her dialogues scream "exposition" but she still fits well to the story. The fights are good, I agree, but why didn't they go all the way with the world's collapse last episode?
Anonymous1202407
Whether Nisekoi is pandering or not, it is not enough proof for you to suggest that manga industry is shit. If u want good mainstream then its not that hard to find. Also for every success like Nisekoi which u claim to be pandering, there are dozen like it that failed to be popular. Why? Because it clearly is popular for a reason other than just simple pandering.
SuperMario
Ha, Ping Pong. I need that kind of show again in my life.
Lenlo
Also, Ping Pong is amazing.
Lenlo
Theres a difference between pandering to a large audience, and an anime/manga with a quality story that everyone ends up liking. Ive always found moe shows and things like Nisekoi to be the former.
Anonymous1202407
If you have a problem with it after trying it just dont read it. Its that simple. Also what a surprise that a show like nisekoi that appeals to a large demographic is popular. U want the mangaka to apologize it's not some art house story like Ping Pong?
Lenlo
Meteora is pretty hit or miss with her dialogue imo. Sometimes its great, othertimes its not. I can say though I enjoy most of the fights.
Anonymous1202113
I really want to like Re:Creators. To be honest though, I'm getting tired of the dialogue. It has its high points, but it sometimes just seems to drone on and on, especially with all of Meteora's "hypotheses."
KT
Both Bahamut and RE:Creators had great episodes. But I was indeed mentally screaming Super Smash Bros at RE:Creators. You will get the point when you watch the episode.
AidanAK47
Taken on it's own, Nisekoi is harmless. But it is undeniably proof that you need not be creative or innovative to succeed in the industry. In fact declaring creative bankruptcy could turn more fruitful than genuine effort.
AidanAK47
And I said how can you decide you don't like something if you haven't read it?
Of course you are likely mean that if you don't like something then give up on reading it further which of course does not mean that someone cannot complain about it regardless.
Anonymous1198985
No, Im said if you dont like nisekoi dont read it
AidanAK47
@Anon, How do you know you don't like it if you don't read it?
Anonymous1196967
Don't like it don't read it.
AidanAK47
I went and read Double Arts. This really was a great manga with tons of potentail and truly didn't deserve the axe. It's so depressing that this was cut off so soon and the author went on to make the most generic Harem ever Nisekoi, and that got over 200 chapters.
Lenlo
All of the important dance scenes for Yuri were fantastic, its just some minor one off characters and some reused ones that were an issue, so no they are better than the CGI
Anonymous1190387
Is it worse than those CGI dance scenes in some anime?
AidanAK47
@Puran, It is pretty surprising how well that story turns out. I say IG might do the job even if there animation isn't the most consistent. The one thing I am worried about is those necks though. In the PV those things were ridiculously long.
Puran
Fair enough, recycling the animation was bad, agreed. But the animation itself was really good.
Lenlo
See, I found the repeated dances in Yuri one of the worse parts. Alot of it was recycled animation and certain characters were obviously rushed/not done. Some were amazing, cause they took their time, but others looked terrible.
Puran
I kinda wish Mappa was doing the anime though. Yuri on Ice had really nicely animated dances (and was more or less the only actually good quality of that show :P )
Puran
Reading the Ballroom e Youkoso manga has made me really excited about the Anime.
Kaiser_Eoghan
@Aidan: I'm particularly turned off by bully/bullying cliches these days. I've only read the first two volumes to see how awful she was but I ended up simply losing track of the series and stopped reading.
Kaiser_Eoghan
@Mario: Actually that has changed, I had to pick a different day to see it given changes in schedule, I've booked it for NEXT Wednesday now. I've watched Akira about four times.
AidanAK47
Oh, Rising of the Shield Hero is getting an anime adaption. Hmmm...honestly after finishing the series and looking over it as a whole I am not sure I even want that. Plus seeing Bitch Animated...would fill me with rage.
SuperMario
I intend to re-watch Akira soon, probably this weekend. It has been almost 10 years since my first watch and now I don't remember much about that one. Thought it was intriguing and complex but not as acclaimed as people hyped it to be (I'll pick Ghost in the Shell anytime). Wonder how I'd feel now after re-watching it.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I remember you mentioned that you were going to watch In this Corner of the World today right? How was the movie Kaiser?
Lenlo
Oh cool, food wars is getting a 3rd season
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ballroom youkoso appears to be leading the polls.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Fumiko is a female mangaka yes. Also I found bokura no hentai worth reading.
SuperMario
yep, I finished that manga too and I have conflicted feeling about it. Yuri(!) part and fanservice are to blatant but they have a purpose. This mangaka (not sure but I think she's a girl) has some unique voice.
AidanAK47
....well I skimmed that manga. And it was weird
SuperMario
By all appearances,Sakura is normal,albeit sheltered junior high school girl who enjoy talking about love and walking home from school together.However,they also happen to inhabit a strange and supernatural world populated by mysterious,gigantic beings and unusual plant and animal life.Amid their peaceful lives,Sakura becomes very interested in something only alluded to exist in old books: dicks
SuperMario
Here's a synopsis of other manga from the same author, I think you'll have a better idea of his theme -
Sakura no Sono
AidanAK47
Pretty much what Masky said. I am not really praising it. Anyway I plan to read one or two more chapters to see where it's going. But if it's going in the direction I think it's going then I am dropping this one fast.
Kaiser_Eoghan
There is of course the underlying concern that it will go a very ugly route with that development or it could become edgy/horribly minipulative, but for now it is as mario said, a hook.
SuperMario
Well. overall I don't dislike what I read there. It has good hook and I'm intrigued to know more what the hell will happen. Good set-up for me. I'm in
SuperMario
@Masky: it's fine Masky, since I will chec itk out any way and see it for myself ^^
Masky
So since you guys started being interested, I checked it out and uh.. Yeah, not reading. I think ye guys misunderstood Aidans warnings since that was just fucked up and not in the interesting way.
Lenlo
@Aidan: Berserk will never again go more than 3-4 months without a hiatus.
SuperMario
Hmmm, that manga Cutie Mutie sounds good to me. I might check it out later today
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: But had you not alluded to that scene, I may have seen the cover of that manga and skipped over it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I had a feeling, sort of, sad, I am intrigued to read more.
AidanAK47
Hyping and warning are not the same thing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Well with Aidan hyping up the horrors of cutie mutie I may as well glance at it to see what he' on about.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There are three manga with the name rec.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I am familiar with the artist for cutie mutie, she did that manga about the three kids dealing with gender/orientation issues.
AidanAK47
Oh look Berserk is on Haitus again....
.....the sad thing is that it comes as expected now.
AidanAK47
For reference the two I read were Cutie Mutie and Rec. Be warned, the first one goes to a rather uncomfortable level.
AidanAK47
@Masky, Read two manga. One started lighthearted and then went to really dark territory. The other one looks like it's about a really dark subject but turned out to be something more lighthearted.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Alright. Tested it now so it such be fixed. Try again.
Masky
@Aidan: Huh? What you read that turned dark/didn't turn dark? .-.
SuperMario
"too many answers selected for question 1! only 3 answers allowed!"
SuperMario
@Aidan: I still have the same issues. Weird
AidanAK47
@Mario, Wasn't my intent. Try it now and you should be able to pick as many as you want.
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