Posted by psgels on 3 January 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews




Eheh. Okay. I now understand why Cowboy Bebop is held with such a high regard. I’m really impressed with what a ridiculously solid series it turned out to be. This show has a rock solid direction that makes the most out of its very impressive budget. This series is another major example of how a good episodic series can be.

Cowboy Bebop feels like a journey you go through, along with the characters. Throughout the series, the characters run into many different situations and get to know new characters, and because of the episodic nature of this series, every episode is also different: some episodes are tense thrillers, others are action-packed, others go into mystery, others are comedies, then others delve into the pasts of the different characters: it’s all wonderfully balanced, especially in the second half. Even the finale just takes up two episodes, and yet it delivers a short, but incredibly sweet and memorable ending.

What really sets this show apart is the acting, however. It completely subverts anime’s tradition of overacting: every single performance with one notable exception (Ed) is filled with subtlety, and yet the creators are able to convey a roller coaster of emotions. If you really need overacting in your anime, you won’t like this, because the characters constantly play off of each other’s subtlety, even during the silly and action-packed parts. The relative coldness between the characters may seem a bit off-putting during the first ten episodes and this may be a bit hard to really get into the series at first, but in the end this makes them even more memorable than usual because of how down to earth and believable the characters are. And as for Ed… she indeed has the worst voice actress of the entire series, but even her character ends up memorable in a way.

The characters in this series feel alive: they’re completely dynamic, and you feel that there is much more to their pasts than they tell you throughout the series. In fact, none of the lead characters are related at all: they’re just a bunch of people who wind together as bounty-hunters on the same ship. Only when it comes up, they talk about their pasts and there are many notable details about their characters and pasts that never get revealed. You could call that a flaw, but I consider it an excellent way to flesh them out, especially in the way that the series keeps reminding us that these people have had their own lives before the start of the series.

With this series I also understand why Youko Kanno became famous. There actually hardly is any soundtrack in Cowboy Bebop, and when it plays it mostly stays in the background. But the individual tracks are incredibly good and varied, and sound unlike any other soundtrack I’ve heard. Vocals that are used are in fluent English and sung by some great vocalists.

To close off, this show also had truly excellent visuals. Especially the art direction and the designs of this series are very likely to be the best of its time: every single frame is filled with all kinds of imaginative stuff and junk in the background. The architecture is exquisite and every single design just blooms with ideas and creativity. I can point out quite a number series that may have had better action than this series, or less still frames. I can however think of only a few other series that had more visual ideas than this one.

Storytelling: 9/10 – Top notch direction and storytelling, every episode is diverse and well paced. One flaw would be that characters like coincidences a bit too much and that characters sometimes just “happen” to know where to go in order to prevent the story from dragging.
Characters: 10/10 – Some of the best acting you can get: subtle, yet incredibly expressive. Great chemistry, the cast really feels alive as the series goes along.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Great and fluent animation. Some of the most consistently good designs you can get.
Setting: 8/10 – Pretty much the only part of this series that got aged during the past thirteen years, in the way that it inspired many other interesting science fiction premises. It still has many interesting ideas, though.

Suggestions:
Michiko e Hatchin
Mushishi
RD Sennou Chousashitsu

37 Responses

  1. Snowolf says:

    Yes! I’m so glad you enjoyed this anime. A lot of people consider it to be overhyped, but I personally think it lives up to it’s name as one of the classic animes. I also think Cowboy Bepop is one of the few animes who’s dubbed version is as good as, if not better than the original Japanese version. I really liked the ending, as..unique as it was. I could also say that despite not delving into most of the other characters’ pasts, it really still did an excellent buildup and truly fleshed out the characters and their relationships with one another. Thanks for reviewing!

  2. Matt says:

    Ah, i believe the 2nd anime i ever bought and i still watch it ever few years. I remember when it came on TV, such an amazing anime. I love the music, each episode was great, the character development rocked, and the plausibility of the setting being what could happen in the near future. This still ranks in my top 10 of anime, though the visual’s get lowered each year, sorry but if they did a digital remaster of this series, keep the voice acting, updated the visuals it would be the best thing out there.

  3. Guigas says:

    Ah Cowboy Bebop is really an awesome show, the OST is epic,(I started to like Jazz and Blues after this show and i have the complete OST on my Cellphone) and the stories are original and fun. This is one of the few shows that deserves all the hype and the title of classic (most of the overhyped series nowadays are just…not that good/overrated). For me CowBe is the 2nd best episodic series i’ve seen (Mushishi is my favorite) XD

  4. Lightning says:

    Glad you’ve also now enjoyed the greatness that is Bebop and it’s characters. :)

    “I also think Cowboy Bepop is one of the few animes who’s dubbed version is as good as, if not better than the original Japanese version.”

    Agreed it was one of the first shows that made me a dub fan, I’m also guessing the complaint about Ed’s acting was from the original Japanese as I felt she was a ton more endearing in the dub despite being just as “out there”, but again this show has probably one of the most iconic dubs out there since virtually every character’s voice just happens to fit crazy good :)

    I think the scifi western-bounty-hunter setting and the lack of “anime behavior” while still containing all the strengths of anime are things that really helped the series break out and as you said really makes the cast stand out even more than usual due to how they are acted throughout the series and how they play off each other and how naturally everything just happens from drama, to mystery to comedy episodes. It’s still fantastic how naturally all of the different genres just totally fit so smoothly.

    True Matt, the show still looks great and it’s amazingly remarkable how well it can still hold it’s own in both art and fluid animation given it’s age as a TV series not even a movie plus the Knocking on Heaven’s Door movie is a great vision of it with even newer animation as it is really the only part of the show that ages so a further remaster would be cool. :)

    Oh man the soundtrack…sooo good. A lot of it is still on the playlist even all these years later.

  5. kagura says:

    Cowboy Bebop is among the very first anime series I watched (it had a major role in dragging me into anime in the first place)and it’ll probably always have a solid place in my top 10. I’m glad you liked it this much, as I was afraid you might be of the opinion that it indeed is overhyped or something… though, after stalking your blog for quite some time now, I should’ve had more faith in your ability to recognize a good anime when you see one ;)

    Anyway yeah, for me it’s one hell of an amazing series with a bunch of memorable characters, great action and humor, some unforgettable scenes and probably the most impressive and mind-blowing soundtrack out there. Thank you for a great review :)

  6. Guitar says:

    I’m glad you’ve seen this awesome series, psgels. I myself watched this only in 2009. Episodes 5 and 20 were particularly awesome. Cowboy Bebop is one of my top 10 anime.

  7. Solaris says:

    Just notice how much is easier to rate 90 this old classic than many recent “good” shows. Does it mean something at all?

  8. Loz says:

    Shows like Cowboy Bebop are the reason why I love anime. They may really be far and few between, but isnt it great when you finish such a great show and are left feeling so satisfied.

  9. gandalf8 says:

    Finally! I’m glad you’ve finished this anime masterpiece. I think it fully deserves its status as an anime classic. Its animation, characters, setting, and soundtrack were all top notch, and it is also one of the first anime series that I totally loved the english dub(In fact I watched the first episode in both languages, and liked the english dub so much that I just finished it all with the english dub).

    Hope you’ll review the movie (Knockin on Heaven’s Door) soon.

  10. blah says:

    Please bear with me, this might be long.

    I’ve been waiting a long time (since mushishi) for psgels to review this anime and I have to say i’m somewhat disheartened at the lack of sheer fanboyism! Obviously every one has that one anime that they really love and want others to love as well. This was that anime for me.

    When I first saw this anime, I was obsessed with it. I would even say its the single most important piece of entertainment i’ve experienced. Cowboy Bebop is a hell of an anime to see as your first. Amazing music and just about all the style you can fit into an anime make this series something truly special. (especially apparent with the last 2 years of recent anime)

    Some of my favorite moments :)

    Ed’s dad beating up spike.

    Jet and Spike’s talk before he goes off to face Vicous.

    Ed and Ein off into the sunset.

    The first fight in the first episode set to Rush by The Seatbelts. The fight and supporting music is one of the most skillfully directed things i’ve seen. Everything about it is spot on.

    Episode 5. Ballad of Fallen Angels. Specifically Walk in the Rain to Green Bird.
    I truly have yet to see a more beautiful or affecting episode.

  11. Otaku Surf says:

    Cowboy Bebop is the show that pushed me into English dubbed anime. For the most part before I watched this show (and even now), I watched mostly anime subbed. It wasn’t until I saw Cowboy Bebop on Cartoon Network one day that I started to watch a few more dubbed anime and enjoy them. It’s one of a few shows that feels natural in English.

  12. jcb says:

    My most memorable moment is when Spike gets shot, he wakes up on his back and the first thing he does is light up a cigarette.

  13. sadakups says:

    This is the show that makes you wonder why Sunrise can’t make something this good anymore.

  14. synkronized says:

    By the time I had seen this series I had seen some anime. But my god this is what sold me on the genre.

    I know a lot of friends that don’t like anime at all but enjoy this series. That’s a testament to how it transcends being just another anime series. Other series may be more solid in specific areas but Cowboy Bebop is one of the few that really hits all the right chords. That’s why I’d hype it.

  15. Vanilla says:

    It’s weird. I was just watching this yesterday and thinking how I’ve never seen a review of it from you. What a great surprise! I’ve yet to finish it, but I’m loving it to pieces already. Great review as always.

  16. cubeman says:

    First comment I’ve ever left. I have to agree wholeheartedly with the guys promoting the English dub. I watch almost every anime in Japanese, this is the only one where I think the English is far superior. (And I have watched the whole thing through in Japanese just to check!)

    Love your site!

  17. Watcherzero says:

    While im really not a dub fan, I acknowledge this as one of the few good ones. I watched the series as it aired back in 99 and it stands the test of time even if theres some real anachronisms even then! (sure they were more popular in Japan but would people really still be using Betamax in 2022!!!).

    I guess we will have to wait and see what Keanu Reeves does with the live action remake.

  18. RollingCamel says:

    Excellent 2D, Zero CG–>WIN!!

  19. Roldan says:

    So are you gonna do the movie now, Psgels?

  20. psgels psgels says:

    Roldan: not now; later. I’m not sure exactly when, though.

    Rollingcamel: actually, there were a few bits of CG here and there, though. Most notably inside the gates.

    Solaris: I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. I really liked this show, but I can say the same things about shows as Yojou-han and Sarai-ya goyou.

  21. Solaris says:

    I’m saying that this Cowboy Bebop is indeed one rare unmatched reference for a lot of newer shows and should be used indeed as a reference for comparison.
    I’m also saying that lately few animes can be rated so high, even from the best ones. It looks like today’s standards are by far lower than when they made Cowboy Bebop.

  22. Thomas says:

    You didnt write why Ed ended up as a girl despite other mannerisms. They planned for Ed to be a boy (black haired one)- his model can be seen somewhere in first Ed episode on Earth. When the series was airied back in 1998, at the same time was also aired some hentai movie about 3 guys and girl traveling in spaceship. The similarities were striking, so they decided to change gender of Ed in last moment to even out the crew.

  23. psgels psgels says:

    Solaris: what are you talking about? Out of the season in which Cowboy Bebop aired, it also was the only show that I’d consider rating 90/100.

    http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?type=2&show=animelist&do.search=Search&airdate1=01.06.1998&airdate0=01.03.1998

    Beyond that there of course were other series that I really liked, like Sentimental Journey, Trigun and DT Eightron, but that’s pretty much like any other major season that we’ve had for the past years.

    Thomas: interesting trivia that I didn’t know about it. Even if I did know, though, I doubt that it would have been really appropriate to write in a relatively short review. ;)

  24. RollingCamel says:

    @ Psgels: Now you mentioned you are right, but thankfully it was trivial, I skipped the gates scenes and the start of ep 20 had CG buildings. However, all the vehicles were 2D superb-animation something I appreciate after watching Black Lagoon, Requiem of the Phantom (though the Ferrari was well detailed and animated), Blood+, Darker than black and loads of other good shows with badly detailed and textured CG vehicles.

    If they are using the same model through out the series then they should put some effort!

    Gasaraki had some sweet 2D animation too.

  25. Hunter-Wolf says:

    Glad you finally got to watch that classic .. always will be one of my top fav animes and also one of the very first animes i ever watched (after years of watching nothing but repeated episodes of Mazinger Z and Captain Tsubasa) … and i have to agree with everyone here .. the English Dub is just excellent (if not the best English dub for a jap anime i ever heard)… oh … Trigun English dub was quite good too.

    If you want to watch another marvelous classic Psgels i recommend Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex and 2ndGIG TV series .. both are stunning series (only flaw is the complex dialog in some episodes) .. but if you don’t watch it you are missing a lot (specially if you are a Sci-Fi/action fan .. and want to see another great episodic series).

  26. olivia says:

    aww… how can you hate anything about Ed? Esp the voice? I just love how incongruently put-together this character is. She’s just a huge mumble-jumble for comedic purposes (which is probably why the director decided that she needs to go before the big finale). But this series would have been way too somber if things about Ed were to-the-eye.

    The extreme subtleties, as you nicely put in your post, really differentiates this series from any other. Not to say that it is alone in doing so, but I wish more series would do the same. As you stated, It may get hard at first, “The relative coldness between the characters may seem a bit off-putting during the first ten episodes,” but coldness is always a good start to character building. Usually, it’s when the cold characters open up or sacrifice themselves that I become totally entrapped in the drama. Why won’t more series do this!!!???

  27. Alec says:

    I thought psgels already watched this masterpiece before he created this blog

  28. Gunslinger says:

    Wow you finaaly watched cowbow bebop, not just monster’s left :)

  29. Cosmin says:

    Since I began watching this blog for new titles I also assumed that you’ve got though the classics. Cowboy Bebop was until some time ago probably my favorite anime however since I watched Legend of the Galactic Heroes, this went to number 2. If you can enjoy a old anime with a fantastic story as much as a new one with flashy graphics I recommend everyone gives this a try. Here is a link to animenfo.com regarding this show. (http://animenfo.com/animetitle,644,uinshf,legend_of_the_g.html).
    Best wishes,
    Cosmin

  30. yupitis says:

    Long time lurker and big fan of the blog here. I just gotta comment on this review and well, Cowboy Bebop in general. Simply put, it’s still probably (if i had to choose one) my favorite Anime of all time and the first I really watched.

    I still remember one day overhearing someone in class talking “oh man did you hear they are going to be running uncut stuff on Cartoon Network? They even got Cowboy Bebop!” For some reason hearing they were playing bloody uncut anything on TV kindled my 14 year old interest and I tuned in a couple weeks later when the show started. I was blown away from episode 1. It wasn’t like that DBZ or Sailor Moon stuff my friend down the street used to watch when I was over. It was just so so cleaver, so entertaining, so full of style and variety yet able to show restraint and ambiguity. It was my gateway to a new world and will always hold a special place in my heart.

    I try to watch it every year and still get drawn in every time.

  31. Shingo says:

    CowBe? Epic!

  32. Nicole says:

    Great review, I’m happy you feel the same as I do! I never made the plunge to buy any DVD’s so instead I watch episodes I found on DISHonline.com while testing out the site for my job at DISH Network. I keep hearing things about an upcoming live-action movie, but I’m still looking for more solid evidence…

  33. EDs voice in the Japanese version is soo much better, and Did you know, Vicious was voiced by none other than Emporor Wakamoto! hahaha

  34. Fuu says:

    Agree with pretty much everything here except for one tiny little statement. Are you referring to Ed’s English or Japanese VA? I watched it in the latter language and think she did a fantastic job. No complaints there.

  35. Kurisu says:

    While the English dub of Cowboy Bebop is relatively well-done – which doesn’t tell much considering how awful most dubs of anime series are, I don’t think it is up to par with the Japanese original at all. I’ve only compared a few scenes and the characters felt very different. A dub is always an additional trade-off between lip-sync and adherence to the original line. In my opinion, the characters lose a lot of subtlety and come off too bold. Their English may sound more idiomatic, more American and therefore may be more welcome by an American audience. However, despite the numerous Western elements and references – most obviously starting with title “Cowboy” – the original is still made with a Japanese perspective and I can’t stand the effect of shifting the viewpoint in the English dub.

  36. Firechick says:

    My local anime club at college forced me to watch two episodes of this. I can see why people like it, but I didn’t like it. It felt too fast and weird for me.

  37. Comeatmebro says:

    While it’s a pretty good show it’s overhyped. There, I said it.

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Amagi
@SuperMario: Seems like the official radio confirmed PriPri might get a second season if the BD and/or game sales are good enough. - BD sales seem to be around 7k at the moment, but it looks like many only ordered them now, after the last episode, so it might be more.
KTravlos
@Aidan. Oh I did. Thank you for reminding me. I will write the review.
AidanAK47
@Travlos, Just in case you missed it, there is a reply to you earlier in the chatbox.
KTravlos
Kakeguiri also ended. In the end the anime original ending was not really an ending, but just a fan pleasing excursion. The integrity of the manga story remains. It was a good adaption, and I liked it as it brought to life the parts of the manga that make it interesting to me. Also a great Opening and Ending. Good show.
KTravlos
And to sum it up. I think this was a great series. All its episodes were good.
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I actually am ok with the PP ending. The 12 episode series is self contained. Sure there are many future potential stories to pursue, but I felt there was enough closure to make the series a good series. This is because the next step of the narrative is really so long term as being more LOGH material than PP (the story of the ascension of Princesss to the throne, and then the story of her reforms)
Lenlo
Alright, I found the read more tag. Now my tendency to write more than I should will be contained.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Got to play catch-up but I am guessing it was very much a non ending?
SuperMario
Gosh, is that how Princess Principal end?
SuperMario
@KAiser: I really have a mixed feeling watching Assayas's films. I always find his works toe touch into pretentious area. Still have much more films from him I want to watch though so that opinion might change
SuperMario
@Kaiser: As Tears go By surprised me a little considering how straightforward it is. It's Wong's most by the book HK romance but it was one of his most commercial success. After this, the studio allowed him to do things he like and that was when he gone banana with his styles
SuperMario
not a fan. Can't even tell the difference between turtle and tortoise
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i like turtles
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@Mario: I hadn't expected some of the dry/dark humour in sils Maria, I liked the themes/aging angst and its comments on hollywood in parts even if it needed to go a bit deeper. Stewart is a revelation in it. That X-men parody scene was fucking funny lol
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@Mario: I actually kind of liked As tears go by. Mostly because of my experiences with hong-kong action flicks, much as I like John Woos films, the melodrama he tries to sell between the action never worked for me and left me just waiting around for the action to come round again. Wong was able to put genuine emotion into the hong-kong action film with this one.
Amagi
@Aidan: Somehow. The problem is rather Haruki anyway and it's canonically part of her character. Kei becomes more likeable IMO and the events get much more complicated and/or serious plus there are a bunch of characters getting added to the protag team which makes the whole thing more dynamic. The best comes when some other character joins around the middle though.
Anonymous1416115
Personally, I can digest the emotionless dialogue in the first place since I watch the series with the mindset that the main characters are innately "broken" in some ways.
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@Aidan Hmm...one might consider the emotion level increases in main characters' dialogues for Sakurada Reset as baby steps depending on how dramatic one expects a character to act in other animes. (The emotions increase do exist though) There are certainly emotional scenes and characters do develop in ways where one can't just say they're 100% robots.
AidanAK47
@Travlos, If you so wish then you can write a review for Bahamut virgin soul. Just let me know if you are up for it. If so I recommend writing it up on google docs, then when you have it done I can give your account contributer status and you can paste it into a post for us to look over and publish on the site. For screenshots our standard size is H240 X W138.
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Did they ever fix that emotionless dialgoue issue they had going on?
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You are not alone. The second half of Sakurada Reset made me so glad that I stuck with the series.
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I didn't expect to like Virgin Soul as much as I do. Especially the last ~5 episodes got me. The weird thing is that I was disappointed by S1 actually.
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@Travlos: I don't mind if you do a guess review on Virgin Soul, but let's me check with other admins first.

On Virgin Soul, I'm not sure if I like the bew development. It suddenly does a 180 degree turn on King Charriot, which I don't feel rewarding.
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Kakegurui will have an anime original ending. It might be better than the ongoing manga. We shall see. An enjoyable foray.

Virgin Soul is going for a nice explosive ending. If no one writes a review, I would be willing to write one.
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*kind of
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While its very much in the shadow of the first and the protaganist started out kind annoying, I kind of got caught up in the spectacle and sentimentality of gunbuster 2.
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Urasawa is preparing a new manga
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yes the episode where Julian watched the documentary was fun. The Caligula like character comes from one of the lesser episodes of the series, when Kircheis beats up some rebelling third rate noble in the Empire.
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Goddammit, fail, it just changed the colour of the login name...
Kaiser-Eoghan
I declare in the red truth that the next anime I shall watch is Diebuster.
Kaiser-Eoghan
From what little I saw, I remember a Caligula like character in one episode.
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I remember there's an episode where Julian just goes on Space Netflix and just watches a documentary. I actually liked that lol
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yup, a LOGH that run like the Altair anime would be bad. It needs to show the sweep of history
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@Anon, I actually liked that aspect. It made the history of the world feel real.
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*pleasantly
KTravlos
Tytania was ok.
Kaiser-Eoghan
On the Amakusa Shiro reference in the fate review, I've seen a film about him from the 50s , theres also an old josei manga where the protagonist ends up becoming essentially regarded as him.
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Hi Kaiser. Supposedly this is a re-imagining of the original story. Thus independent of the OVAs (old serieis). What exactly re-imagining means is something I and you do not know. We shall see. But it does mean that you do not need to watch the old series to enjoy this one. The OVA was definetly more expansive than the novels. So my guess is they will stick to the novels.
Kaiser-Eoghan
There's another anime, called Tytania based on his novels but I haven't seen that series.
Kaiser-Eoghan
As in condensable in the way nothing much is lost? I assume there are fillers in the original?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm indifferent to the aesthetics of the new version. What I'm hoping for is that it will be accessible to newcomers and that I'll be able to jump on to the old series where the new one leaves off. I've seen very little of the original and it was a long time ago, is there any way the story is condensable?
KTravlos
The fact that they stayed away from the disgusting new manga is great. I am not too keen on the CGI ships, but they also did not rankle. It looks like it will honor the spirit of the old series, and I cannot ask for more. I am a massive LOGH fan. And the new video out gives me hope of revisiting one of the greatest sci-fi/historical settings out there. I am happy.
AidanAK47
I hope they are using the old anime as a base and not the new Manga adaption. As that Manga adaption is seriously lacking.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I like that they blinged up the space battles which is good because those things could get tiresome. But I really hate the design of Yang Wenli. They made him look so much younger and bishi. I don't think i could take this guy seriously if he started one of Wenli's signature hypothesis.
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Thoughts on that new LOGH PV? My expectations were low, so I'm presently surprised. Obviously they made everybody pretty boys, and Mamoro Miyano is voicing Reinhard I believe. But art and animation actually looks pretty decent overall. It's a PV, and LOGH's best quality is it's story and characters, so we'll have to see if they remain faithful or not. But it's nice to see it get a visual overhaul.
AidanAK47
By the way this site has the first chapters but check the other versions to find them.
http://mangapark.me/manga/tsurezure-children-wakabayashi-toshiya
AidanAK47
@Mario, Indeed. It's also a pity that over half the couples in the manga were not featured. We only got a small taste of Patricia.
SuperMario
Or maybe I'll try to read the manga. The last time I checked it online, the site doesn't have its first few chapters
SuperMario
@Aidan: man, Tsurezure Children sure is sweet. Really sad to see it ends
AidanAK47
So that's the end of Tsurezure Children.
....I'm gonna need a second season. Now.
....NOW GODDAMNIT! NOW!
KTravlos
As I said I understand the criticisms to RE:Creator, but ultimately I enjoyed most of the show. It could had been better, and it is a missed chance. But I have seen worse.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I gave up halfway through, there weren't even enough action scenes and those that were didn't justify waiting around for.
AidanAK47
Could have at least delivered on the action but that was rendered pointless due to the majority of the cast turning good and Altair being a complete cheat character.
AidanAK47
It would have been really fun to see characters discuss their stories with their creators or indulge in what our world has to offer but they really glossed over that part.
AidanAK47
It really should have gone deeper into the whole meta aspect introducing anime characters to the real world. Like they did with Mamika's powers being ridiculously destructive when outside a kid friendly setting.
AidanAK47
@Puran, I at least like the message of the final episode. But as for the show itself it was just missed potential on a lot of levels. I wanted Anime Genre battle royale and instead got a secondhand Shirobako with a crap shounen anime attached.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I have been forgiving of Anno as I've gotten older.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I also just re-watched gunbuster, I'd previously dismissed the ova after a few episodes when I was a teenager, I'd found it too slow, didn't have that issue with the 90 minute version I just finished. I've never see the sequels.
Lenlo
Ill have to finish Creators... at some point
Kaiser-Eoghan
I've been dipping back into the Lupin franchise, Gold of babylon was particularly screwball, kind of ridiculous comedy caper/adventure thing you just have to run with....turns out it was directed by a live action filmaker I especially like who made bizzare noir films in the 60s.
Puran
So that explains why Meteora had so much air time in Re:Creators. It's her story....

I hated the ending and I disliked the anime overall.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was a genuine surprise to see that Assayas decided to make a film framed around hentai =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I loved how incoherent demonlover was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: The criticisms I'll give wind river, is a slight inconsistent performance from Renner and that very awkwardly inserted flashback scene.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: on Wind River, I agree it's a well-executed case of the week drama, although there are some plot pregressions that I don't get (how did they find out about the man's corspe again?). About Demonlover, man, the film gives me a chill down my spine. Heartless. And a bit misogynist.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: as much as I loved Wong (yeah I too prefer him over Malick), sometimes I do think Western cinema give him too much praise that sadly overshadow other Asian directors.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wong is important to me as a hong-kong filmaker, he offers something entirely different from the whole Woo/Lam Hong komg movies.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: On a more positive note Maggie Cheung did mention that she felt her early work with Wong was when she first truly became a proper actress.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: ....I had no idea he had such a sad background.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*investigation drama
SuperMario
@Kaiser: that film also marked/ signified a rather sad period of Hongkong showbiz. Leslie Cheung badically lived the live of the protagonist and commited suicide in 1997. His girlfriend on screen, during the filming, was kidnaped, raped and taken topless picture. The damnest thing is that everyone knowed the culprit but did nothing, and in the press it was just deemed as "kipnapped and assaulted"
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Wind river was a big surprise for me, just goes to show that with the right execution an ordinary police drama movie can be elevated higher.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Thats the interesting thing, tracking a directors career.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Just binge watched the new dominion tank police ovas , admittedly these are kind of reptitive and extremely silly but its hard to hate on something so shamelessly fun that made me feel like a child again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: you said it there. DoBW is rather raw and unpolished but that's one of the reason why I am drawn to it more compare to his other works.
AidanAK47
In all honesty, it would be nice to finally see a continuation after fusion as all games after that have just been adding chapters in-between.
Vonter
Finally I wonder, if Metroid Prime 4 will definitely branch out of the main Metroid's continuity. It's curious how an interquel subseries is still going to add things in between the first and the second entries in the main franchise.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - I think is nice we can see both takes. Especially since neither one despite a few qualms are still very solid entries for this franchise. I just hope Metroid moves forward, as IMO this is the only game that really needed a facelift do to the heavy limitations of the gameboy. And I hope the secret gallery at the end is teasing how the producer plans to move the plot forward.
AidanAK47
I thought it might be like that but it's good to know they are at least on a close level. I didn't really want Samus Returns to replace AM2R as the "Definitive" version of Metroid 2. Mostly because a lot of love was put into AM2R andit came at a point when it felt Nintendo didn't give a crap about Metroid.
Vonter
Like Zero Mission there's something added to Samus Returns but I'll just leave it at that.
Vonter
I think both have strong points. Samus Returns have better boss battles, gameplay mechanics and more intense action pieces. AM2R IMO has more atmosphere, takes advantage of elements Nintendo don't even try like the Federation subplot, and the ending portion narratively has more heart in AM2R, while in Samus Returns it feels mostly like "the final level".
Vonter
I also did got lost a couple of times in Samus Returns and aside from the big water section in AM2R, the latter is more linear game.
Vonter
I think the controls in Samus Returns bring more to the table though. The 360 aiming makes for better ways to shoot enemies and some of the bosses take advantage of that. If it weren't for the 3DS giving hand cramps because you're holding L and R at several points it'll be completely the most ideal way to play.
Vonter
AidanAK47 - AM2R is very good, I think it has the advantage that because it uses sprites IMO backgrounds and enemies are more vibrant and easier to appreciate. The Federation soldiers are better executed in AM2R and that secret section with the ship is very eery.
AidanAK47
@Vonter, How does it stack up to AM2R? I bought it and am still waiting on it to be delivered but I have the feeling that AM2R would be the better game when comparing.
Vonter
I took me 12 hours to 100% and I've heard the best ending is beating it in less than 4 hours. I think unlike Zero Mission item percentage don't matter, it's mainly to unlock an art gallery.
Vonter
My main criticism is this being a 3DS game. Small enemies can be hard to see or appreciate. And I think the 3DS wasn't made for heavy action packed games like this or Smash Bros. I got the rubber from the circle pad come off in two occasions. Also unless there was something big in the background, several areas felt lacking in detail. Still Samus and the bosses look good.
Vonter
In terms of difficulty, the game has the enemies packing more damage than in other 2D Metroids. Is difficult in the sense than you can't tank damage as in other iterations, you have to be aware of enemy behavior and bosses mainly get easier do to familiarizing with their patterns, since I did die a lot each time I faced a new boss. And got used to kill them faster as I went along.
Vonter
Ok, so I beat Samus Returns. It's quite good. Unlike Fusion that had dialogue at midst the gameplay. Samus Returns only has a prologue of exposition and any cutscenes mainly accentuate the reactions of Samus confronting a new enemy. The level design is dense, despite having isolated areas like in Fusion and the original Samus Returns, each area is very mazelike.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: =< Awww I kind of like demonlover actually despite all its flaws, it had great sound design and had this cold, clinical, un-nerving mood to it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Days of being wild does feel a bit un-realized/un-polished/rough compared to his other work definitely but its probably the rawest I've seen from him and that has its appeal.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: Haven't seen farewell my concubine come to think of it. Regarding the scifi element I felt I embraced it more further into the film when it started to intermingle more.
While I am more forgiving toward Malick's recent films than most, that decline in quality means I have to pick Wong.
KTravlos
by the way in RE:Creators we probably will be getting a future series focusing on the hunt for Magane :p Meteora probably playing the role of detective. I also bet her novel will be wordy and heavy in exposition :p
KTravlos
i.e his end game might had been a cross-species revolution against him anyway. We will see
KTravlos
In Bahamut Chris proves to not be totally evil, but he is totally crazy. That said I am seeing one of my hunches getting supported, the hunch was that his cruelty towards daemons was with the purpose of bringing them down enough that they would be willing to work with humans as euals (As they are in Jean's army) and thus via that create a more unified world. I
KTravlos
RE: Creators has come to its end. I know the problems everyone has with it, and while it failed to raise to the level of exceptional show, I loved it. As I said, it had been years since a show kept me so excited episode after episode. They blew it at some point, but ultimately for me this is an en-joyful show, and one I would happily binge watch in the future again.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: question for you though, between these two directors, which one do you prefer: Wong Kar-Wai or Terrance Malick?
SuperMario
@Kaiser: if you enjoyed both 2046 and In the Mood for Love, by all mean check out Days of Being Wild. The trio forms a loose trilogy and Days of Being Wild was the first film that Wong began his unique unconventional style. It's one of my personal favorite of Wong and it's a chance for you to watch the late Leslie Cheung acted (you might watch him already in Farewell My Concubine)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: 2046 is indeed a passionate film, and one of his best looking film. He tried something different in 2046 too, experimented with scifi (one of the best part in the film for me)
SuperMario
@Kaiser: it's stritcly Wong Kar Wai's romance we're talking about, since I don't find the rest of Chinese take on romance that interesting. Romance or melodrama is one of his main theme throughout his career
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: It was slightly overly long however.
I've also seen chungking express, in the mood for love and fallen angels. I think this Chinese take on romance is really clicking with me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I also thought it was a very passionette film and I love how Kar-wong-wai uses the music in it. I also think its one of his best looking films.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario: I had a look at that Chinese film 2046, very effectively melancholic take on fleeting relationships while also successfully being quite sensual while staying classy and without ever showing too much. Tony Leung and Maggie Cheung are two beautiful people =P
SuperMario
for those who still want to catch up with 18if, episode 11 has a huge recap, while wrapping up the show with a new overarching plot. Hopefully they don't pull another Matrix here
SuperWooper
It's shounen-y for sure. The competitions have been my least favorite parts of the show so far. If you're still watching, you might appreciate it more once the Tenpei Cup is over.
Anonymous1399692
Damn Ballroom looks so good. But I really can't enjoy it despite that I want to. It has too many of these typical shounen moments and plot points I can't stand.
Anonymous1399684
Omae wa mou shindeiru
Lenlo
Mononoke is actually what made me find Ayakashi. Also a good show.
SuperMario
Regarding Ayakashi, I only watched the Mononoke segment
SuperMario
"It was a long, long trip, and we're coming finally to the end of the journey. Thank you, Manoyama and Chupacabra. And thank you, 5 EURO" - Sandal-san.
Lenlo
Ayakashi was great for me Kaiser. I enjoyed my time with it
Vonter212
@AidanAK47 - The hard aspect has been commented in several reviews with bosses being able to easily kill you. (Although in my experience it might be just getting a pattern). In terms of length most 2D games can be beaten under 3 hours. This one seems to clock at at least 6 to 15 if you want to collect everything. Then again, we'll see in subsequent playthroughs.
AidanAK47
`@Vonter. It's out now but I don't remember seeing anyone claim it's the longest hardest entry 2D wise.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Going to watch new dominion tank police next and read violence action and Oddman 11.
Kaiser-Eoghan
It took me years to get round to it, but I finally watched Ayakashi and as expected like most anthologies, again its mixed, the first is a solid ghost story that improves after a weak start, but that third one with the cat spirit was great, really liked how experimental that looked.
Vonter
Soo a new Metroid comes out this week. It is said, it's the longest, hardest entry in regards to the 2D iterations. Still not as great as Super, and depending on your fanaticism it might or not be as good as Zero Mission.
SuperMario
But they didn't pull that scene off too well. It's just... unmemorable. In fact the whole show is very unremarkable. Now only 1 episode left I might as well finish it but I won't give it a full review
SuperMario
Koi to Uso has been disappointing so far. Episode 10 featured the sequence that i was looking forward the most in the manga: the former classmate tells the one sided crush of the main girl from her POV. For a romance that contrived and manipulated like this one, hearing this from the third person's perspective prove to be more powerful
Vonter
@HelghastKillzone - Good luck with that. I almost had my car's engine damaged since it has been raining heavily where I live. Had to ask for help the next day to pull it out of mud. Still not as bad as the other three cars that did get stuck in the water.
HelghastKillzone
Dealing with work and the total loss of my car really sucks at the moment so I'm quite tied up for this week.
KTravlos
I do agree to a point, but to be frank all the episodes of Princess Principal to date have been so solid I have a hard time deciding. Episode 5 though was still the best from a holistic point (action, direction, music etc) was the one introducing Chise
SuperMario
Agree. Dorothy has the biggest heart out of all the spy girls. Also "help" that her episodes are all melodramatic.
Amagi
This episode of PrinPrin showed again that Dorothy is the best character by far. Not just herself but her episodes as well are better written than the rest if you ask me.
KTravlos
It just hit me. The characters in Princess Principal may be very well working for IngSoc :p
AidanAK47
@Kaiser, in the seven chapters it's only really two of them that contain dark shocking content. Chapter three being the biggest one in that regard.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: I read a comment where someone said subahibi shocked them more than saya no uta. While I haven't played it yet, I have seen some of a letsplay...it lleft me thinking....how many hours until this actually gets good/truly unhinged .
AidanAK47
After Reading SubaHibi, Made in Abyss's dark turn didn't shock me too much. Maybe I just got desensitised. I will have a review of SubaHibi hopefully up in a week though to clarify my feelings on it after just finishing it, It was interesting but disappointing.
KTravlos
well, well. Both Made in the Abyss and Virgin Soul do not hold back. Grim! RE:Creators is warping up. Comparing with these other shows I can fully appreciate the problems people have with it. But still I am glad I am sticking to the end. Altair's voice actor by the way did great.
AidanAK47
@Helghast, And Kings Field was the Demon Souls before Demon Souls came out.
KTravlos
having binge watched several of this season's shows I would say Princess Principal is the most rounded. Made in Abyss is good. Kakegurui and The Reflection as SuperMario said will depend on your tastes. There is also Shouko no Altair. You will like it if you liked Tanya Saga of Evil, or Legend of Galactic Heroes, or Arslan Senki or manga like Vinland Saga, Gunka no Baltzar, and especially Historie
Anonymous1385641
Jesus...me watching this weeks Made in Abyss https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ogzsWhZcmM
HelghastKillzone
So... Demon Souls was the Dark Souls before Dark Souls came out.
SuperMario
@anon1385426: the safest bets aside from Made in Abyss are Welcome to the Ballroom and Princess Principal. Kakegurui and the Refection are for more acqurired taste
Anonymous1385426
Aside from Made in Abyss, what's the best anime this season?
Lenlo
@KT, the pacing and the framerate early on are my two biggest issues. Later on the story starts to get abit more engaging, and they start doin things I didnt expect, but the pacing is still there. Some akward pauses.
Lenlo
Look, Berserk and Dark Souls are both amazing. But I only have 3 Dark Souls games, and 38 Berserk volumes. Im clearly biased
KTravlos
I sat down and watched the first 4 episodes of The Reflection. It is an interesting attempt, and I can see the people making it having fun doing so. But I did notice a pacing issue. For some reason the episodes felt like they dragged a bit too long.
AidanAK47
Dark Souls is the Berserk of Video Games.
Amagi
Dark Souls really went all Berserk if you ask me
AidanAK47
I am not one for putting down law but can we never ever compare anything to Dark Souls ever again? Cause it's actually become really tiresome how everything is the dark souls of something.
Lenlo
No other sentence has made me want to watch Made in Abyss more
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