Posted by psgels on 23 April 2011 with categories: X-Men




This episode had two action scenes. And BY GOD where they excellent! This episode had a number of some people from the animation team of Birdy the Mighty Decode on it, and it really showed. The X-Men is a perfect series for these people to show their talents. These scenes were raw and brutal, and drawn with a ton of force and movement. Definitely the best action scenes of this series yet.

The last episode left me rather disappointed by that “fluids”-guy, but at the very least this episode really gave him a great action scene to close off. But Wolverine’s aerial fight against that flying mutant was awesome as well. More episodes like this, please!

As for the story, that also was quite neatly developed further, when Emma Frost of all people turned out to have a second mutation. The creators made good use of the fact that that one bad guy didn’t show himself in keeping the suspicions around her. These mutants with this second mutation are at the moment far more interesting than the U-Men, but let’s see what this series can do when it starts to develop these people in its second half.

Oh, and I also cracked up at Wolverine playing snooker.
Rating: ** (Excellent)

20 Responses

  1. Brink says:

    I really don’t like the lil girl she is annoying and way to clingy.

  2. Michael says:

    I actually completely disagree with what you said about the action scenes. Yes, the first one was quite good, but the second one was so dark that I actually couldn’t see a thing. Maybe the gamma was off on the video I watched, but that scene in particular was unwatchable for me.

  3. Nark Narks says:

    There was some QUALITY animation in the last bit of the episode. Probs blew the the budget in the fights.
    But Generally decent as always which i’m very happy with

  4. Algent says:

    In the fight with the fluid guy Armor did had some poor quality and weird way of moving.

    The mid-air fight with wolverine seem to be good but I couldn’t see a thing.

  5. Loz says:

    I also couldnt tell what what going on during that aerial battle.

    And was it just me or was the Wolverine soundtrack playing during that fight?

  6. EINSOF says:

    Wolverine had me Rolling too. looks like this series is going to do alot of building of the setting and characters before it really picks up. which is good since i dont know if everyone in japan know about the Xmen setting.

  7. H-MudAnimation says:

    Wow, the animation is this episode was so awful I’m considering fiving up on this show. The first 3 episodes where beautifully done, but this episode was the antithesis of the first three. As a professional animator I can understand rushed budgets and deadlines, but for such a huge variation in quality there is no excuse. I thought I was watching rough storyboard animations for fight sequences, every character was a fluid blob in this episode.

    They tried to hide their lack quality by simply darkening the entire action sequences so you couldn’t see the horrendous animation, but that in itself made many parts of the episode unwatchable.

    This really makes me sad, I was thoroughly enjoying this anime and had previously raved about its animation and visuals; but now I have to rescind all of my compliments.

    Really a shame, there is no excuse for such an awful inconsistency in quality.

  8. Roldan says:

    @H-MudAnimation you do know this is from the same guys that did the animation for Birdy the Mighty Decode and Noein? I mean if you were an “animator” you’d see that the fluidness and the motion really heightens up in a different way then most anime/cartoons do which makes it look incredibly awesome. Though for the untrained eye, it probably looked like shit but in reality it’s a very hard but satisfying move they did there. And if you want more credibility, some from this episodes have also done key animation for Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood.

  9. Demi says:

    I couldn’t see a thing as well…
    The fighting scenes in this episode was just bad… seems like a muddle through…

  10. H-MudAnimation says:

    YOu clearly don;t understand that the animation you liked in burdy decode was actually animation that was rushed through because they ran out of both time and money; this is a near universal compalint about that series. While the first several episodes of that series had excellent animation, many of the episodes reverted to rough animation usuing a technique commonly reffered to blobbing.

    The animation in Birdy the Mighty: Decode fluctuates between sheer beauty and dull, loose drawing…the animation does dip every now and then and looks slightly cheap”

    http://psgels.net/2009/03/28/birdy-the-mighty-decode-2-review-95100/
    “Did anyone else notice how the animation quality uber crapped out…”

    http://thenullset.wordpress.com/2008/10/06/birdy-the-mighty-decode-review/
    “Cons: animation quality, particularly the characters, was inconsistent; various minor things that could have been done better”

    http://muirwoods.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/birdy-the-mighty-decode-02-after-episode-01-first-impressions/
    This second season of Birdy the Might Decode picks up where the first season left off… To my chagrin, the animation quality did not improve at all and remains crude.”

    BTMD 1&2 Had some of the most horribly inconsistent quality in animation I have also ever seen. YOu seem to confuse the fluid bloblike state of the characters during action sequences as good animation…not everyone has an eye for artistic merit, expecially not for animation quality.

  11. H-MudAnimation says:

    Here I made my previous post prettier:

    You clearly don’t understand that the animation which you liked in BTMD was actually animation that was rushed through because they ran out of both time and money. You seem to be a fan actually of poor animation, perhaps you like the strange unatural fluid effect it creates…i don’t know why you like poor animation. Inconsistent animatin quality in BTMD 1&2 was a near universal compalint about the series from the vast majority of both proffesional review sites, and blogs alike. While the first several episodes of that series had excellent animation, many of the episodes reverted to rough animation usuing a technique commonly reffered to blobbing.

    http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/35951/birdy-the-mighty-decode-mighty-awesome

    …the animation style during some of the action was a bit annoying since for some of the scenes they had a full action already drawn (I saw it in a beginning of an earlier episode), but it was never used, I am guessing because they changed the story mid-draw so it couldn’t be used. This would also explain the poor animation during these parts. Its like they used story board slides and just animated it out, which if they shifted gears mid production may of been required to make deadlines.

    The animation in Birdy the Mighty: Decode fluctuates between sheer beauty and dull, loose drawing…the animation does dip every now and then and looks slightly cheap”

    http://psgels.net/2009/03/28/birdy-the-mighty-decode-2-review-95100/

    “Did anyone else notice how the animation quality uber crapped out…”

    http://thenullset.wordpress.com/2008/10/06/birdy-the-mighty-decode-review/

    “Cons: animation quality, particularly the characters, was inconsistent; various minor things that could have been done better”

    http://muirwoods.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/birdy-the-mighty-decode-02-after-episode-01-first-impressions/

    This second season of Birdy the Might Decode picks up where the first season left off… To my chagrin, the animation quality did not improve at all and remains crude.”

    BTMD 1&2 Had some of the most horribly inconsistent quality in animation I have also ever seen…and unfortunately X-Men is carrying on this tradition.

    You seem to confuse the fluid bloblike state of the characters during action sequences as good animation. This is the type of animation usually used for storyboarding because it be done so cheaply and quickly it provides a great demonstration of what the scene will look like once full detailed character animations are used. It is not acceptable animatin for a public release.

    Not everyone has an eye for artistic merit, expecially not for animation quality. Apparently you do not. Typically people such as your self are very poort artiststs, and are unable to see the lines that make up a image or drawing; therefor that causes them to be poor artists. I’m not trying to be mean, but you are mistaken and I’m trying to make you understand.

  12. HarveyMuddAnimation says:

    Rewritten comment, Part 1:

    So, Here I made my previous post prettier:

    You clearly don’t understand that the animation which you liked in BTMD was actually animation that was rushed through because they ran out of both time and money. You seem to be a fan actually of poor animation, perhaps you like the strange unatural fluid effect it creates…i don’t know why you like poor animation. Inconsistent animatin quality in BTMD 1&2 was a near universal compalint about the series from the vast majority of both proffesional review sites, and blogs alike. While the first several episodes of that series had excellent animation, many of the episodes reverted to rough animation usuing a technique commonly reffered to blobbing.

    http://www.toonzone.net/news/articles/35951/birdy-the-mighty-decode-mighty-awesome

    …the animation style during some of the action was a bit annoying since for some of the scenes they had a full action already drawn (I saw it in a beginning of an earlier episode), but it was never used, I am guessing because they changed the story mid-draw so it couldn’t be used. This would also explain the poor animation during these parts. Its like they used story board slides and just animated it out, which if they shifted gears mid production may of been required to make deadlines.

    The animation in Birdy the Mighty: Decode fluctuates between sheer beauty and dull, loose drawing…the animation does dip every now and then and looks slightly cheap”

    http://psgels.net/2009/03/28/birdy-the-mighty-decode-2-review-95100/
    “Did anyone else notice how the animation quality uber crapped out…”

    http://thenullset.wordpress.com/2008/10/06/birdy-the-mighty-decode-review/
    “Cons: animation quality, particularly the characters, was inconsistent; various minor things that could have been done better”

  13. HarveyMuddAnimation says:

    … Part 2

    http://muirwoods.wordpress.com/2009/01/19/birdy-the-mighty-decode-02-after-episode-01-first-impressions/

    This second season of Birdy the Might Decode picks up where the first season left off… To my chagrin, the animation quality did not improve at all and remains crude.”

    BTMD 1&2 Had some of the most horribly inconsistent quality in animation I have also ever seen…and unfortunately X-Men is carrying on this tradition.

    You seem to confuse the fluid bloblike state of the characters during action sequences as good animation. This is the type of animation usually used for storyboarding because it be done so cheaply and quickly it provides a great demonstration of what the scene will look like once full detailed character animations are used. It is not acceptable animatin for a public release.

    Not everyone has an eye for artistic merit, expecially not for animation quality. Apparently you do not. Typically people such as your self are very poor artists, and are unable to see the lines that make up a image or drawing; therefor that causes them to be poor artists. I’m not trying to be mean, but you are mistaken and I’m trying to make you understand.

  14. psgels psgels says:

    Harvey: aplologies. Blogsome has this nasty tendency to hold long comments with links in it upf ro moderation. I’ve approved your comment now.

    If you don’t like Birdy’s animation, that’s fine. Personally, I place interesting animations and movement above fluidity and crisp art in my priorities, but I can understand that others have different opinions. But it goes a bit far to say that Birdy’s animation is a near universal complaint. I’ve seen enough other people who loved it as well.

    Oh, but you are right about one thing: I am a poor artist. I never was good at it.

  15. H-MudAnimation says:

    By the way this quote from toonzone.com is exactly what I was saying:

    the animation style during some of the action was a bit annoying since for some of the scenes they had a full action already drawn (I saw it in a beginning of an earlier episode), but it was never used, I am guessing because they changed the story mid-draw so it couldn’t be used. This would also explain the poor animation during these parts. Its like they used story board slides and just animated it out, which if they shifted gears mid production may of been required to make deadlines.

  16. H-MudAnimation says:

    oh thanks for the explanation psgels about me having to post over and over.

    BTW Harvey Mudd is the renound technology school where I studied animation, not my name. Im Joe.

  17. Hogart says:

    Frankly, I would have loved to see some Birdy-style “animation” in this episode. I was too disoriented by the darkness and shaky camera (did it just have too many espressos, or was Japan still experiencing aftershocks on the night of that shoot?). What I did see was cutting corners badly, so I agree with Joe and others in this case.

    But Joe.. give him a break. psgels watches a ton of anime, and it wasn’t necessarily the “animation” he liked in Birdy.. it was well-storyboarded, framed, made great use of contrast, and obviously had a budget far too small to get the job done. If you’re going to be that upset over it, I wonder how you survive while watching most anime. Does the average Shaft show make you vomit up blood?

  18. rever5e says:

    the action part was great, second scene was too dark though, but still exciting to watch

    animation beside the action pretty average, but screw that only action sequence worth to be good

    need more action like this

  19. Espana says:

    If you’re looking for an action movie, with little progress in the story line, then just stick to old X-Men films. But if you want a detailed, action packed movie…with SUPERB acting…then watch this one. And you will NOT be dissapointed.

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Amagi
I would have prefered it if the magical beings were weird looking instead of all of them being beautiful sameface humans. Also the special role of Chise and how everyone gets alured by her give me strong otome vibes and I am really not a fan of this gerne
Amagi
@Lenlo/KT same here. It's just that AMB can't come even close to Inu, Shuumatsu or Houseki. I am no a fan of the pacing and the rest is basically just fantasy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Was worried there for a moment thinking sangatsu no lion was ending next week, turns out season 2 is 22 episodes afterall.
Lenlo
Yeah KT, watching the two together has not come out favorably for AMB for me.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I believe it works better in hellsing and drifters moreso to both being goofball action shows.
KTravlos
A point on the chibi in AMB. I was thinking about shows were the chibi did not bother me, and Hellsing Ultimate and Drifters (newest episodes coming out), both had deformed/chibi segments. For some reason they did not bother me. I think ABM directors have bad timing with them.
KTravlos
I have to say Ichirou Inuyashiki is very cool. Like he is really a cool character. Also I am saddened to say it but watching AMB together with Inuyashuki does not work well for AMB
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Silver: There are sad moments certainly but plenty of humour.
Anonymous1639132
Man, I sure hope Ichirou Inuyashiki and Hiro Shishigami make out, everything is just building up to that
silver
I actually have only watched one or two episodes of this season of 3-gatsu, but its rising scores and rave reviews are making me really excited! I've only put it off because it's somewhat emotionally tiring for me
SuperMario
@Kaiser: Well, after the first season of 3-gatsu ended, I did skim ahead to this bullying arc so I already know this is going to be powerful, yet the anime still wow me over and over
Anonymous1637770
Also it can be tricky selecting a season sequel since some old series had like 50 to 100 episodes, what counted as a season then?
Anonymous1637770
@Kaiser-Eoghan - It's more common in videogames (especially Capcom) than in other mediums. Megaman 2, RE 2, Street Fighter 2, Dino Crisis 2, Marvel vs. Capcom 2, etc.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Actually in a rarity, a sequel season is better than the first.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Which makes my enjoyment of sangatsu so strange.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I generally do not like game/sports orientated shows.
Kaiser-Eoghan
That you slightlySuper-erMario and superwooper!
Kaiser-Eoghan
And my reaction to the show is such, that I enjoyed it enough to make such a huge pot about it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Also I want Akari to be my mom and Hina is adorable without being annoyingly so and Kana Hanazawa is doing a good job voicing her.

And whoever said it is right, the op/ed songs are worth listening to, for once I’m not skipping them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
At this point it feels as if by the end of the series I’ll come off it thinking that I don’t want to say goodbye to these characters.
I don’t think as of just yet it complete lives up to honey and clovers legacy though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I never cared about Harunobu initially, but recent episodes have changed this.
Dull parts of the manga are easier to get through for me in the anime due to Shaft elevating the material with one of the better uses of their visual gimmicks.
Giving the series another chance, even though I won’t fully embrace the humour, it does now and then manage to make me laugh a little.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The bullying arc centering on Hina and the shows treatment of it is better than most anime bullying stories and has provided the most emotionally rewarding aspect of the show.
Characters that are assholes like Kyouko’s boyfriend, Kyouko herself I’m finding somewhat more sympathetic and want to see more to their personal drama.
Kaiser-Eoghan
However I do genuinely think that the series does a good job of allowing dramatic moments to creep up on the viewer, that early scene of Hina crying over her mother, Rei’s family flashbacks, Akari’s concerns about Hina/the stuff with her dad, all the scenes with Kyouko do carry an effective and solid dramatic weight to them.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I feel it starts very strong, making a great first impression, then kind of has these dull moments that make it sort of a slog at times to get through, unfortunately I have no interest in chess/shougi and no knowledge the show tries to give me is going to stick or allow me to embrace that.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Through jumping back and forth between the anime and manga, I can say I have no caught up to where I will now watch March comes like a lion on a weekly basis.
Anonymous1636224
The blood of the innocent will flow without end, mmmmmm this is why I love Inuyashiki
Anonymous1636224
Mmmmmm the suffering of all those innocent people feeding his God boner, this is why I love Inuyashiki
Lenlo
Oh yeah, thats not a knock against it. Just noting they dont *need* much animation
SuperMario
Well, the nature of Mahoutsukai is slow-burned, so it makes sense they focus more on static, quiet moments
Lenlo
Was that blade 2022 thing supposed to be an example? Because I wasnt a fan. It was stylish sure, but difficult to follow.
Lenlo
Maho is a good looking show, I wouldnt call it a great animated show.
Lenlo
The issue for me is, theres just not alot being animated most of the time. Usually its a pretty slow moving anime, so most of its time is talking and still shots. It doesnt need alot of animation, so it doesnt have it.
Lenlo
@Niel, I think Mahoutsukai can have good animation when it wants to. Like the water viel in episode 10 looked good (Though im not sure how much of that was after effects)
Anonymous1635607
uhhh creepy
Anonymous1635589
the blood of the innocent will flow without end, mmmm this is why I love Inuyashiki so much
Amagi
I think the security is the same as here, it's just that Japanese people are less likely to rip stuff (correct me if I am wrong). It seems like ripped anime, manga and so on are basically always uploaded by Americans, Chinese people or someone else.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised heavens feel was camripped I thought security in japanese theatres was stronger.
Amagi
Yeah it's also screening in Germany, I will watch it in February, together with Heaven's Feel, Mutafukaz, Kimikoe and a few others.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*on Europa cinema
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nanoha new film to screen next February in the US, come in Europa license it for over here dammit....
Kaiser-Eoghan
Did have some down moments though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I guess contrasting Luke with his old self goes some way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Saw the preview screening of the new star wars, still feel the new trilogy stands inbetween the originals and prequels, fufills its duty as a *** star blockbuster , some genuinely hilarious high camp moments, awful tokenism, Snoke is a shit villain, but two scenes with Luke actually have a pathos to them and I liked the chase/action scenes when they happened. Nobody cares about the acting/dialogue
AidanAK47
But there are times when it goes way too far and you can barely make out what is even supposed to be happening. Or characters go so off model that they are unrecognizable. It can be immersion breaking. Much like uncanny CGI.
AidanAK47
@Niel, I do agree that it's annoying to see people complain about animation when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. Like those inbetween frame screenshot people. But I will say I appreciate on model characters more so than chaotic movement. When the off model stuff suits the tone of the scene like that blade runner part, then it's fine.
niel
I also don't want to see someone imply visual=animation for the hundredth time. Are people really that ignorant of the technical/artistic aspect of the media they consumed?
niel
It just depends on what works best in given scene and the aesthetic they want to go for. People can complain all they want about off-model stuff, but if they really only want that the they won't be getting nearly as much of those impactful scenes as there are now. So many of the ways people complain about it is really irking to me.
niel
normal/low action scenes is different from being on-model during the action sequences and just the ones that need some extra impact in general. https://youtu.be/rrZk9sSgRyQ?t=6m45s
niel
But that depends on the situation though. And I'd argue that being consistent and on-model during
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter/Niello/Mario: Ideally I want it both ways, fluid animation AND consistent model visuals, all the while never sacrificing choreography.
SuperMario
But really, who am I to say. I'm the dude who prefer beautiful shot composition myself
SuperMario
The same can be said with Shinkai's movies since he always prefers static, beautiful shot that people tend to overlook that his animation is quite poorly handled
Vonter
You're right, but art direction does alleviate limited animation, I mean the old Berserk anime, kinda has a lot of slideshow moments. MahoYome has nice backgrounds, and despite the samey faces, at the very least doesn't come from the same mold as other series. Still cutting corners with chibi segments is was a mistake.
SuperWooper
Is it any wonder that people prefer things to be static/on-model? They want to see characters who look consistent and familiar so they can relate to them.
Nie
MahoYome being the biggest offender of people getting triggered to any kind of statement about the show's animation not being good. And it's absurd because the show's animation really isn't great at all. It's good with distracting people with pretty pictures, but animation-wise it's still mediocre.
Nie
@SuperMario: Not much. Just stuff like "Art is part of the animation weather it's beautiful backgrounds or just amazing looking characters. It's not all about how they move. If it was, CG would be considered great animation" multiple times. I've just been finding myself being replied with these kinds of comment non-stop since the start of the season.
SuperMario
@Niello: What happened exactly, if you don't me asking?
Nielllo
If I hear someone says AMB has good animation one more tie I might actually lose it. It's amazing how people who apparently know nothing about it try to defend this and other people who don't know anything are actually supporting the guy.
Niello
So with Fate Apocrypha episode 22 out, I'm just now learning that people think webgen style is horrible and they prefer static scenes with pretty visual over actual quality animation. WTF. I can't comprehend this. Are casual people who watch animation in general really that oblivious to the art they have been watching?
Lenlo
Berserks Dynasty Warriors style game looked better. Also, Mahoutsukai should be up tonight/tomorrow. Turns out, Christmas is a busy time of year at this job.
Amagi
*worse
Amagi
Especially when you consider how good CGI can be by now, look at Houseki or Kado. But Berserk was the worst thing I saw in years, many scenes felt worst than sequences of PSX games
Amagi
@SuperMario: Same. I love Kon and also consider Paprika's OST as the best. @Lenlo: Me too. I honestly even enjoyed the movies but the new series was atrocious
Lenlo
HIRASAWAAAA! HAAAAAI YOOOOO.
I miss the 90s Berserk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was also quite fond of his soundtracks for Berserk. AIIIIIYE FORCES : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYYYew8CUI
SuperMario
@Amagi: I'm a big fan of Kon so I've watched everything from his. Even bought a book about his works. About the soundtrack, I listened to them as well but not regularly, compare to pprika OST which I downloaded and listen to a lot
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although not completely a manga, Usagi yojimbo also has an anthro character.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Millennium actress is partially inspired by the actress Setsuko Hara.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: The anthro-animal manga is even a topseller as far as I know. Haven't looked into it yet, though. Maybe I will do so.
Amagi
Speaking of it, I am still hoping Dream Machine will happen some day. Kon died believing it would happen
Amagi
@SuperMario: Have you tried the other Kon movies like Millennium Actress once? Thought they were really good and Hirasawa is responsible for the OST there too. Or Paranoia Agent which was (IMO) very good as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nttSKBJ38k (OP)
Niello
Eoghan: Enjoy... ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I haven't read this, its very strange to see a manga about full anthro animal characters: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Beastars
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: So based on that I will try devil lady. Thanks.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: That'd be me who made that post. I thought dororon enma-kun was wonderfully ridiculous and Devilman gorishly entertaining, Shin Mazinger Z was probably some of the most fun I had with an anime, but violence jack took it way too far though so I guess I'm aquainted with nagai's work
Vonter
I don't remember who was looking for something noir in anime. I was looking among several series from Go Nagai. And watched some Devil Lady. I don't remember if noir is exclusively detective stories, but this anime, has those high contrast shadows, eerie music and is shot like some japanese horror movies I've seen. I don't know if it changes along the road but so far it's very suspenseful.
SuperMario
I only know him through his works in Berserk and Paprika but his music never fails to amaze me
Anonymous1626471
@Amagi: Ghost Bridge is my favourite. I just find it very calming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeh5aJsxlbw
Amagi
Susumu Hirasawa is one of my favorite musicians/composers. I don't even know what kind of subgenre this is. There aren't any other music groups I know who do similar stuff
Nielllo
@Mario, Already saw that video before.
SuperMario
Check this out... I don't even know what the freaking instrument he's playing, but it's spellbound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjalQjAomH0
Niello
Just when I thought Houseki no Kuni took the prize for best animation I was treated with Apocrypha. This week is amazing.
Niello
Big name animators all over. They really threw everything they've got here.
Niello
Woooooah! OMG Apocrypha ep 22 animation is sick! So that's why the animation in the first half of the show is so lackluster and basically just darn awful.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its not entirely odd to bring up Heydrich in relation to the occult either, apparently he was said to be part of some whackjob order.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, that girl from Dies irae, Anna Schwegln is aptly named, also shares her name with the last executed person for witchcraft, who was Bavarian German, which i'm told by an Austrian friend were particular right-est leaning politically.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course unfortunately its often the opposite that happens, nothing is worse than an ending that ruins everything.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, how I love being surprised by something. That feeling where you''re watching something shakily held together, simply okay or good, then suddenly in the second half or last stretch your score of it goes massively up.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can kind of understand the wanting to go home and watch something easy mentality instead of challenging but even though I'm guilty of escapism, I'm tired somewhat of "sillier" stuff, its often enjoyable but its get overly reptitive and I wish I could find more philosophical/political/imaginative things.
Amagi
Yeah the show is great because of its theme, the setting and chemistry girls have as well as their (lack of) knowledge about basic human things. Each episode thematizes this in a different way but there isn't much you can talk or say about it when you already explained the topic in detail.
SuperMario
On the other hand, I don't have much to talk about Girls' Last Tour this week. It's still good, but with this episode I feel that I'm running out of concrete thig to say about the show
SuperMario
Haha both Houseki and 3-gatsu have a good showing this week. I have a lot of things to talk about Houseki in particular
Amagi
This week's Houseki is jurassic park
Amagi
*-ati - I think Netflix and so are at least giving a few new impulses which isn't too bad. I don't think the typical anime series will disappear because of that.
Amagi
At least in comparisation
Amagi
I think it's just sad how often I see wonderful series selling 500 BD/DVD or maybe even less. Most series don't sell more than 1500 or so and the rest is usually at ~3000-5000 which is still pretty low.
Amagi
Yeah, it's one of my pro-Netflix arguments as well. Another problem is that anime (not counting manga) only make money through dvd/bd sales since they air at night, whereas Netflix or daytime tv series don't depend on the latter so much and since anime BDs are so expensive the only ones who buy them are the more extreme fans.
AidanAK47
Might be in part due to the workaholic nature of their society that makes escapist fantasy and empty entertainment more appealing than usual. Ultimately these are the people anime is made for so opening up the markets gives more deserving shows a fighting chance.
Though that isn't to say that western taste is perfect either.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, That's part of the reason I think some westernation might be a good thing as from what I seen the Japanese have truly terrible taste in anime. Sales charts from Japan just make me shake my head.
Amagi
God, the preorder anime lists are atricious. The only one that seems to sell acceptable (around 6k) is Mahoyome. Series like Inuyashiki have 80 pre-orders so far, Shuumatsu Shoujo 977. Idol shows sell good of course, including that male/bishounen Idolmaster
AidanAK47
@Anon, I read it but kinda fell out due to it's releases being slow.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Actually if you check the manga recommendations section, you'll see there is a post about it here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yes, it was interesting to follow a story that dealt with a characters homosexuallity that was outside of the yaoi/yuri mould.
Anonymous1620968
Out of curiosity, has anyone on here read Shimanami Tasogare?
Niello
Where are we up to with Inuyashiki?
Lenlo
Well alright then. Episode 9 out of 11 and that happens. Was not expecting that
Lenlo
Ooo something happen this week? Im about to watch it
Kaiser-Eoghan
It feels just as rushed and awkward in the manga.
Amagi
I noticed this too
AidanAK47
Inuyashiki has balls of steel to pull that in this particular episode number.
Nielllo
Finally got around to reading Helck, and it looks like it's going to go into that pile of good-shounen-that-won't-ever-get-animated right alongside Psyren.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Imagine trying to buy the dvds of the show in public.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Gentle remind that the prism ilya movie is out and subbed.
AidanAK47
Still surprised the second and third seasons got dubbed.
AidanAK47
@Angel, I replied to one of your comments before but the rundown is no official word yet but maybe next year.
Angel
Or no? Someone please tell me!!
Angel
Going to happen?
Angel
Is fate/kaleid liner prisma☆illya 3rei dub
Amagi
I dislike it when manga bait me into reading due to the first chapter and end up being some very generic stuff afterwards. Nobody stays for B if he started something for A, authours should expect that.
Lenlo
Really, Juuni should stick with the 3D. That fight in ep 9 looked pretty good. 3D is clearly what they are good at
AidanAK47
@Niello, It's not Chatango. It's a plugin for wordpress called Wisechat.
SuperMario
@Niello: yeah, Juuni caught me off guard this week. The production of Juuni is unfortunately shaky, but well, strong writing can save the day
Niello
Btw is this chat still Chatango?
Niello
This week episode of Juini is surprisingly good compared to how the show usually is with its backstory. Although the part where Ox tries to explain to Tiger could definitely use some visual buff.
SuperWooper
in the future*
SuperWooper
Pretty cool that Juuni Taisen had that kind of emotional heft this week, though. Might be one of the 2017 shows I sample the in the future.
SuperWooper
I think the occasional comments with an episode title and nothing more come from people who mistake the shoutbox for a search bar.
SuperMario
@Anon1614688: juuni taisen... made me tearing up this week. Honestly didn't expect that. Damn you, Tiger
Anonymous1614688
juuni taisen
Amagi
Had some complaints regarding Children of Whales but the latest two episodes were pretty good.
Amagi
@Anon: You explained it better than me.
Anonymous1614307
Kaiser: I actually have the exact same opinion of Natsume and Mushishi. Both are excellent, but Natsume just does a great job with a small core cast and a very simple premise
Anonymous1614456
who likes naruto
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mushishi does have good stories, but it was always a manga I'd dip in and out of, on and off for years, never marathoning it, wheras Natsume was easier to read several chapters of in one go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its because Natsume has more pathos.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*more than
Natsume weirdly ended up becoming this comfort manga for me with a higher consistency rate .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will state that I hold the terrible opinion that I like Natsume Yujinchou than Mushishi but at the same time completely recognize that Mushishi is probably the more ambitious, better show.
Niello
So it becomes a cycle of "this is an interesting set up" (except that the new Kino isn't even good at that) and then they fucked up or Kino/Shizu fucked them up even more, then move on. Without the emphasis on philosophical nature of the set up they present like in the original Kino, there really isn't that much point to it.
Niello
With the new Kino it's more about messing people up, occassionally observing and hardly ever improving. The anwsers or solutions to the problem they present is never really talked about in a rational way.
SuperMario
@Anon1614318: maybe you should give the old Kino a try. What I don't like most about the new version of Kino is that both Kino and the new guy are sketched as hero. The old Kino manages the tone right as well. There were some really dark tales and most of them thought-provoking. Can't say the same for say...Country of Cooking
Anonymous1614318
I don't know, it might be interesting to actually dig deep into the differences between episodic series with this kind of style to see what works and what doesn't.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's a matter of the chapter they chose to adapt were not really the better ones but the ones where the protagonist is more of an active role. Not totally against that, but it feels like the protagonist is just OP all the time. At least with Mushishi Ginko isn't able to save everyone all the time.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's supposed to be more allegorical, but most of the time the allegory is not really meaningful enough. I thought it would be more along the lines of Mushishi, which is kind of similar in setup, but better in most other ways.
Anonymous1614318
What keeps me sticking around are some of the nice background arts and generally pleasant use of color, but admittedly most of the episodes aren't really engaging in a meaningful way. Most of the time its just Kino/Shizu show up, find out town's gimmick, then save the day. I prefer the episodes where the townspeople are more than just flat background characters.
Anonymous1614318
It's interesting to see how this new Kino season is being received from folks who've already watched the original. This is my first real exposure to Kino, and I kind of like it, but even without watching the original, I share many of the same complaints Aidan and most of the others have.
Amagi
I am also kinda sad he's just some 2* servant in fgo, but his power is special and he's physically weak, so it's understandable.
Amagi
And again, Shakespeare is just great but the character is, sadly, kinda wasted here considering how much screentime he has.
Amagi
@Aidan: Yes. Plus, maybe more characterization or background for some servants. The anime would have that time without Sieg and his romance sub plot.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, Those being remove Sieg and more Shakespeare?
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