Posted by psgels on 6 May 2011 with categories: The Money of Soul and Possibility Control



It’s here where this series really shows that it’s more than just another pokemon clone. At least, until Pokemon starts turning into a series about economics. I mean, first of all taking away a guy’s kids when he goes bankrupt: that’s some pretty hardcore stuff, but this episode also really looked into why people go into the financial district, plus the difficulties in raising children.

The second half of this episode meanwhile was about reliability, something you also don’t see a lot on these fighting series. The best players are often just one-sidedly strong, while here it’s a bit more nuanced: the best players are the ones who are able to minimize their losses. It’s definitely a series that’s full of interesting ideas.

I have two complaints, though. First of all this episode introduced a lot of new characters who I doubt will able to get their depth within 11 episodes. Also, I’m still not sure why Kimimaro is the main character. He lacks… motivation. I’m still not sure why I should root for him, especially when he keeps winning through either dumb luck or other people helping him.
Rating: * (Good)

14 Responses

  1. Togusa says:

    Come one, man! This episode was not just “good”. We finally got to know what it means for the enterpreneurs to have their future on the line. It was really interesting to see what happens when you go bankrupt. I mean up till now I thought that those who lose just commit suicide. But C is much more subtle than that.

    When you´re mentioning those new characters… well did you thought of the possibility that they are there just for the sake of Kimimaro´s growth?

    Anyway I must admit that I really love the way they handle parallel worlds/futures. It really is an inovation. Perfect episode for me.

  2. Thelonius says:

    I’m not sure the second complaint is valid. It is clear that the lack of motivation is the problem, but the series is building up to him gaining the right one.

    Plus, here winning could be as bad as losing, as this episode showed. And it is clear and logical why Mikuni has taken interest and supported Kimimaro – because he is a kind person and would be willing to avoid winning to protect his opponents, and not just himself (which he learned by seeing Kimimaro protect his asset). A lot of series make mistake of people supporting the main character due to some inexplicable or poorly supported reasons, but this isn’t one of them.

    Plus, he supported Kimimaro, because he is a potential recruit, while making an example of Kimimaro’s teacher, who refused to join the Guild.

    Now that he’s gained some motivation (I’m not convinced it is the right one yet), I expect the next fight to actually show his ability.

  3. Loz says:

    Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

    At the start of the ending for C it says: “ED sequence for noitanima 26th episode has no name… but it called C”

    Is this suggesting C may actually be a 26ep show?

  4. Left says:

    I agree with psgels on the MC. Kimimaro is just a really dull guy. He’s the epitome of the “everyman,” but without much else going for him. At least the “everyman” in animes like Tatami Galaxy was remotely entertaining.

    Moreover, I’m not so sure if the reason why others are supporting Kimimaro is really that valid. Putting aside all the economics, they’re basically saying what every shounen title touts their “chosen one” to be: “this new rookie has the potential to be uber-powerful.” And why is that? The guy is the least motivated character in the show and his supposed reason is a leaf out of every shounen story: “I don’t want people around me to get hurt.”

    Heck, if I were the professor, I’d get pretty damn frustrated by his defeater’s wishy-washiness.

    That aside, loved the kids-disappearing part. That was nice way to flesh out the setting.

  5. Asd says:

    Like some of the commenters above, I’m not so sure that him being so dull is a downside to the character. He doesn’t have a motivation because he’s -finding- it. If I had to guess, the series’ big finish will be him finding his motivation.

    All this ‘father’ backstory and showing the effects of the district on the outside world will eventually be what gives Kiminaro his motivation. Naturally, this moment will happen when the season ends. I’d almost put money on it.

    Is using the MC as a means to display a world and scenario rather sloppy? Yes. Given the context of the series though, it’s acceptable for the time being. If that “a-ha!” moment -doesn’t- happen for kiminaro, then he will have fallen flat as an MC. Until then, I can follow.

  6. Thelonius says:

    I think main character is dull at the moment too, but I hope it’s just build-up. If he doesn’t change by the end of the series it will be boring.

    As for his wishy-washiness, Kimimaro is basically in a situation, where he has to fight in an arena against people he has nothing against or even knows personally. Why would he be motivated to indirectly cause suicides and erase people from reality? Kill or be killed isn’t the best situation to be. Now that Mikuni offered a third option, I hope he’ll put his act together.

    I honestly don’t know, if this series is going to turn good or dull. I would enjoy Kimimaro to take more active stance, once he figures things out. Mikuni is trying to make the Financial District a zero sum game, but I think he’ll face betrayal, due to greed of his Guild members.

  7. Houlgrave says:

    Contrary to most of you, I don’t think Kimimaro is a boring character at all: he’s actually rather realistic and down-to-earth in comparison to most teenage protagonists I’ve seen (the typical sporty hothead, the intellectual egoist, the social reject, etc. etc.). He’s intelligent, conscientious to a point, and a tad unsure of himself, but considering the vastness of what he’s been drawn into and his background, I think he’s been portrayed well.

    And second of all psgels, not every character seen in an anime series needs to be 3-dimensional and fleshed out. The importance of characterization and related emphasis depends entirely on the context of the story itself, and in this case its only a small principal cast that we need to focus on. The way they’re fleshing out Kimimaro’s world has been effectively done so far also, so no problems there.

    All this taken into consideration, I’d change the rating of this episode from Good to Excellent.

  8. Houlgrave says:

    Contrary to most of you, I don’t think Kimimaro is a boring character at all: he’s actually rather realistic and down-to-earth in comparison to most teenage protagonists I’ve seen (the typical sporty hothead, the intellectual egoist, the social reject, etc. etc.). He’s intelligent, conscientious to a point, and a tad unsure of himself, but considering the vastness of what he’s been drawn into and his background, I think he’s been portrayed well.

    And second of all psgels, not every character seen in an anime series needs to be 3-dimensional and fleshed out. The importance of characterization and related emphasis depends entirely on the context of the story itself, and in this case its only a small principal cast that we need to focus on. The way they’re fleshing out Kimimaro’s world has been effectively done so far also, so no problems there.

    All this taken into consideration, I’d change the rating of this episode from Good to Excellent.

  9. mark says:

    Okay, it’s not actually about economics guys… in any remotely meaningful way

  10. Bruce says:

    @Loz, no, [C] is the 26th Noitamina Show; it’s only 11 episodes.

  11. Mira says:

    I like the whole concept of making a profit without gaining or losing too much while reflecting the changes that might take place in reality. Putting into consideration how these Deals are done and how they affect the Entres, I’d say right now they’re more about management than economics but I could be wrong. I never really paid attention to my Economics class hahaha.

    While some might think Kimimaro isn’t the the best protagonist this season. I think he’s the most level headed and realistic of them so far. Every time he’s given information he uses it and actually makes pretty sound decisions. I think the whole point was that Kimimaro didn’t have motivation, and this episode may have been the catalyst for him to get one. Throughout the first three episodes he looked like he was overwhelmed with the Financial District. But now that he’s begun to understand the idea behind these Deals he’ll probably start making good use of being an Entre. Too bad this show isn’t 26 episodes, I could really use more episodes of [C].

  12. some loser says:

    Wait so what is his motivation then? at first i thought it was searching for his father, but from this episode he seems totally over it. He really doesn’t need the money, as he was living quite solidly before, and from the most that i can conclude from this episode hes best plan is to beat others without getting them bankrupt, which is what most people are already doing. now he’s stuck in a situation where he has to fight in deals, where he really doesn’t achieve anything, and if he loses, (due to his inexperience with this system, im assuming its going to be quite likely unless the red haired dude keeps saving him, which is probably for an ulterior motive) he becomes bankrupt and loses his future. In this no win situation, wouldn’t the most logical conclusion is to get the hell out or try to find a way to get out? maybe im missing something, hmm…

    Wait this reminds me of something… the red haired dude and the old man can represent superpowers in the real world right? are they presumed to be bad because they represent monopolies or because they are trying to stop fluctuation in the market? laslty we have the “hell” theme everywhere, from fighting devils to rodin’s gate, so is the financial district supposedly evil or something?

  13. prakx says:

    Like you said ,the main character lacks motivation but it shows that this is a new idea…i mean why it should be always a guy who motivated and highly emotional to be a main character..here they show the series according to his views…

  14. Oroboros says:

    With the absence of motivations (no longer searching for his father, no true goals with money, but merely the herd mentality of harm no one & live a normal life) Kimimaro is Yuji Everylead.

    A potentially great show doomed by a boring protagonist.

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@Anon, Recap episodes exist because of production troubles. Sometimes shit happens when you make an anime.
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Ntr is a pathetic power fantasy for pathetic people
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@Aidan: I'm still amazed that us never have to fight over covering shows, except for that one time with Flip Flappers. Always thought that crappy tastes are the same
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*Those two comments were refering to NTR trap
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And Tsurezure Children is actually really really good. Really fluffy love stories with great comedy.
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haha, even me who love slice-of-life won't fall for Tsurezure Children
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@Aidan: Princess Principal
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@Kaiser: The character designs on Centaur kind of weirds me out though
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@Kaiser, Ugh...that one. Imagine a discount scums wish and you get the general idea.
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Mate if you are talking about Fate then let me say there is no way in hell I am not covering that.
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NTR as the title of an anime? How shameless.
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@Mario,....Tsurezure Children?
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I was surprised by centaur no nanami's manga. Actually cares about its setting and genuinely charming characters.
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@Aidan: and this time there is 1 show we might both want to cover ^^
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I will have to start writing up that preview for this. I think it's pretty obvious what I am looking forward the most to watching.
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@Anon, Don't believe Clickbait. This is all based on a quote from the author thanking the animation studio and hoping for an opportunity to work with them in the future. What this confirms is that there is no plans for a season 3...yet. Could very well happen in the future. What this confirms is that it ain't happening any time soon.
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RIP Konosuba. Season 3 confirmed to not happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PvOmsKjcJU.
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Im not sure what they are even saying.
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lmao Anon 250 got rekt
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Normally I would delete openly offensive posts but seeing as these don't make enough sense to be offensive I will give them a free pass.
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No idea who this Adnan guy is but if he watches gay porn then so what?
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adnan watches gay porn
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people who watch one piece are just watching gay porn
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one piece of shit
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Hey, do you guys know about wanna cry ransomware? how's the heck that I just aware of its existence today? Scary@@
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Haha will do, but im not gonna compete outside a local, maybe regional level, not anymore. I mostly want to get back into my old shape after 2 years of letting it lapse.
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Oh, congrats. Used to play sport in competitive level myself (tennis), but now I feel like an old big fat geezer now haha. Keep me updated on your Fencing as it might motivate me to join sooner ^^
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Dont even have to work out to do Fencing, you can just go for fun once a week. Im just trying to get back into competitive shape now that I have my degree
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I'm not really big on workin out though; my housemate just keeps asking to join gyming but I always back out, haha. Although I'm okay with running and I'm doing yoga like 4 times a week
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Cool. And definitely, give Fencing a try, find your local gym.
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When you feel sore it just means it's working, so all good haha. I'm still pretty much interested in try Fencing one day btw. About Uchouten, it's about a bunch of tanuki in human shape wander around and having fun (I'm not serious btw). I think the forst episode of the first season can tell you exactly the tone of the show, so you can watch that episode to see if it's your thing
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I both love and hate the post-workout aches. Its what I get for trying to get back into Fencing shape.

Whats Uchouten about?
SuperMario
My love is blind, Kaiser. When I love a show I tend to go overboard with it ^^
Kaiser-Eoghan
I’d forgotten how fun these characters are, although some of the novelty, charm, humour has worn off, it is still there and I’m beginning to re-remember while watching.
I do hope though that they’ll do more with Kaisei and Bonten however.
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Annnnd thank you Mario again for your reviews tempting me to watch a show.
I was hesitant sitting down to watch season 2 of Uchouten Kazoku because it had been so long since I saw the original.
I caught up, Nidaime and Tenyama got my attention most, standout scenes were the shogi match and the second half of episode inside the painting, the bits between Yaichiro and that girl.
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Honestly I could never do the sleeping on the back thing, thats largely because I heard that it increases the risk of sleep paralysis/apnea.
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WHY PROTECTING THEM THEN?
SuperMario
You know that human is the only mammal/race that sleep on their back?
KTravlos
hahaha
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Is his wall being built with Mexicans? Are they inside the wall, AoT style?
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MAKE TITAN GREAT AGAIN =<
Yes that is true aim of Donald Trump's wall, he's actually in the know, trying to keep out Titans.
AidanAK47
WE SHALL KILL ALL OF THE ANONS.
....Wheres my 3D gear?
KTravlos
they all are anonymous and thus enemies of the human race :p
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@KTravlos, Just to clarify but the guy who wrote " idk wtf " and the guy writing the paragraphs are clearly two different people.
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I also dislike anonimity on the net. If you are not in danger of being killed or purged because of your name, you should offer it. It is the right thing to do.
KTravlos
done by a lesser director. Simply put and to end it on my part: Exaggeration is the core of art. You can exaggerate the mundane , but exaggeration it still is.
KTravlos
They focus on it and make it the centerpiece. All motion picture does this, and anime does this very well in my humble opinion. There are things that are "easier" to do in live action. But make no mistake, it all comes down to the director and his team. Despite the fact that Monster is very grounded , some of its most evocative scenes would not work if done live action. Or would had not worked if
KTravlos
Look I was sharp because I do not like the whole idk etf culture thing. Should tell you my age.

What I meant with my words can be made more accessible with this analogy. Do you find yourself moved by paintings? Photos? None of this give the immediacy of the whole picture a moving image gives. And yet we are moved by them. This is because they take a element of reality and exaggerate it....
Anonymous1091057
Anyways, I should stop lol. I just ranted like less than 24 hours ago. Gotta go to uni soon anyways
Anonymous1091057
Whoops, I meant to say, ... or even stuff like Baccano could work in western live action.
Anonymous1091057
Also, I feel like shows that have some western context already infused in them, like most sports shows (i.e. Kuroko no Basket for example), or even stuff like Baccano, but once again it'd be hard to pull of the craziness and coolness of the shows, because a lot of it comes from the shows animation and style.
Anonymous1091057
But also, those shows might just be too weird for western live action.
Anonymous1091057
I don't see shows like One Piece or JJBA for example working in western live action well, at least for a long time till the CGI becomes much, much better so to not to completely destroy our suspension of disbelief.
Anonymous1091057
Those sort of works have a cross-potential for working both in anime and western live action. Then I feel slowly you can start littering in some of the more sci-fi esque ones like Steins;gate, or supernatural horror ones like Death Note.
Anonymous1091057
That's why I feel like the best hope for adapting anime into live action movies and TV shows (TV probably would be better for adapting anime tho), is to start with the more grounded, like Monster or even something like LoGH which has a sci-fi element but still maintains a sort of realism.
Anonymous1091057
There are good western movies and TV shows that are strange, but not bizarre; weird, but not the same kind of say JJBA.
Anonymous1091057
I feel like this difference between the 2 mediums makes it hard to adapt anime into live action, particularly western movies. Most anime are closer to the extreme of creative and zany than the extreme of grounded which movies are better at pulling off.
Anonymous1091057
Or another example is Steins;gate. No other medium could have a plot about bananas, time machines, cell phones, world war 3, and make it work pretty well everything said and done.
Anonymous1091057
Or how in the world could JoJo's Bizarre Adventure ever work out, with its complete craziness, except in anime. I know they're making a movie from the first arc of DiU, but they inevitably have to strip away some of the weirdness that makes the series great.
Anonymous1091057
But then on the other hand, I'm not the biggest fan of modern western superhero shows, particularly because I feel like it's better suited to anime. I'll take One Piece, FMA, or Hunter x Hunter (just to name a few) over 90% of superhero movies today.
Anonymous1091057
*movies aren't a great example of this as a whole, there's a scene from the last Hobbit movie which kinda shows how live action captures the tiny tics and "boringness" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIaJb6RY0TQ
Anonymous1091057
Or like, just the way a character breathes; while the movies aren
Anonymous1091057
I feel live action is better able to capture the minute, "boring", or slow parts of life. For example you don't see too many slow shots in the animated medium (maybe movies being an exception), but they're common in live action (not as much in modern movies, but still).
Anonymous1091057
I agree its a matter of personal preference, and I didn't mean to imply that I thought anime was inferior to TV or vice-versa, but just that they offer different types of experiences. I feel anime excels at the imaginative, crazy, and bizarre, while live action succeeds at the grounded, mundane, and "boringness" of living.
KTravlos
I do not care if you do not know what I am talking about. There we are.
Anonymous1091060
@travlos idk wtf you're talking about
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm open to realistic stories and sad ones also but above all I'm more interested in imagination.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Given that Bam isn't here, can I rely on you to review Blame! this weekend? Its out on netflix on Saturday.
KTravlos
Animation has the ability to distill emotions to there core. It is why some would say it exaggerates (And there are shows that do so), but what it really does is provide the "core" of emotions. Live action can do this, but requires great actors, or good buildup.
AidanAK47
Oh god the typos in that rant. For some reason my spellcheck has ceased to work on this thing.
AidanAK47
For a cliff notes, TV and Anime are not inferior to one another. Both have plus's and minus's to them and how invested one gets depends on personal preference
AidanAK47
@Anon2, Not even close to my point.
Anonymous1090816
Animation is more realistic 'cuz its fully imaginary. Ya dig?
AidanAK47
Honestly when it comes to me, the closer a show resembles reality, the less interest I have in it. Hence why I am not watching Tsuki ga Kirei this season.
AidanAK47
When you get down to it this is pretty much a matter of personal perference. There are those who cannot connect with animation as strongly because it's animated. Likewise there are those that connect stronger because it's animated. One cannot nessaily be deemed better than the other. both have their pros and cons.
AidanAK47
Animation I feel allows for more room to bend the rules. A story like dragonball is utterly ridiclous in live action but it works within art. There are emotional high points in anime which would just fall completly flat in a live action adaption. It's not really fair to deem those things as inferior because it's not realistic. It can hit those high notes because it isn't realistic.
AidanAK47
One thing you mention is the unnatural exgrattion of emotion or experences and I do argee with that. There is a layer of artificiality to anime interactions. However this exists in TV shows as well. One thing that always bugged me about TV shows that I have seen is the dialogue. i always felt that people don't talk natural in these shows, all there lines are focused on being snappy and memorable.
AidanAK47
There is also a level of ambigity within "Nauce" as it can be interpted as many thing by the watcher. For one it could be just people looking too much into what is essentailly "Stare blankly". It's funny you mention Naoki as he does this exact same thing. Character says something, other character stare intently. Actually the diagolue in his stories is similer to that of tv drama's as well.
AidanAK47
While animated emotion can be considered more simplistic than that of live action, i would consider this a strength rather than a weakness. Anime characters can express emotion more clearly than that of live action actors. The naunce of a anime character is easy to notice because they can get the exact reaction needed for a scene. Meanwhile to do the same in live action takes one hell of an actor
AidanAK47
@Anon, On this shoutbox you an rant away and let me start by saying that i disargee. I will admit that there are certain things that live action Tv shows can do that Anime simply cannot but I disargee with the notion that animation cannot connect to the human experence. If anything I would argue that anime can even exceed it.
Kaiser
I will say this though about live action films is that i find that its easier to create a more successful atmosphere through them, making you forget your watching fiction.
Kaiser
Urasawa can be uneven, his work can jump between maddeningly slow and nail biting suspense sometimes in the same series.
Kaiser
I stuck with breaking bad , The bborgias and eventually hannibal all the way through. Always sunny is still funny .
Kaiser
Walking dead is a good example of a western equivalent to anime padding, it was poorly adapted and he first season covered barely any issues.
Kaiser
I've seen my share of american tv drama/comedy, alot of it is fun for a while but some of them end up outstaying their welcome because they go on too long. Dexter, orange is the new black, vikings and especially supernatural have got too long.
Kaiser
But I'm not especially a superhero film/comics enthusiast or hater either way so I can mostly shrug at the dark knight but Ledger did completely out act Bale who was embarassing as batman.
Kaiser
I think as I've gotten older I've come round more on live action European humour and drama.
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