Posted by psgels on 18 June 2011 with categories: Deadman Wonderland



I’ve heard that the anime skipped a lot of content, so where exactly are we at this point? Have we reached the halfway point of the manga, or did this thing race so fast through the story that we’re already at the end?

I don’t read any manga, so I can not comment on how good that manga must have been, but at this point I consider Deadman Wonderland to be a good adaptation. I disagree that cutting out a lot of material makes it a bad adaptation: that’s just something that was unfortunately inevitable considering the difference in length of both mediums. Instead, I’m much more interested in whether the creators actually managed to tell a story, or whether or not they’re just randomly copying and pasting events without thinking of how they’d translate over to animation. What Manglobe is currently doing with TWGOK, for example, or the way in which Yumekui Merry tried to resolve itself last season, or an even better example: Togainu no Chi; those are what I consider to be adaptations who seriously missed the mark. They just don’t come together at all. I do admit that this series doesn’t show Manglobe at its best, though: they really need to make another original story again, because that’s what they really shine at.

Having said that though, this episode wasn’t as good as the previous ones due to Ganta being a bit too emo through its course. And angst on its own isn’t bad or anything, but it rather prevented him from doing anything. The beginning of the episode also created drama using failure in communications, which really aren’t my favourite. I can understand that it wasn’t obvious to everyone that the microchip was bugged: they clinged to it as their ticket out of the hellhole that is Deadman Wonderland, and with everything that was thrown at them, an extra explosion doesn’t sound weird. But why didn’t Shiro just say that the chip was bugged? There would have been much better ways to keep her out of the scene that followed it, although that bit of tension between her and Ganta was really good.

Also, surprisingly this episode did what I hoped: it brought life to the surviving members of the resistance. It didn’t show their background or anything, but in the aftermath scene this series surprisingly treated them not like disposable test dummies, but rather as actual characters. The kind of people you can have a nice chat with.

And really, apart from Ganta and perhaps that information leaking dude (who lost his mind a bit too much here), I enjoyed all of the characters here. For me, they’re a huge strength of this series, remaining genuine despite the madness that gets thrown at them.
Rating: * (Good)

22 Responses

  1. Aecen says:

    Not seeing ep 10 yet, up to 9 the plot is about the same, things are simply removed up to this point. Several characters are completely missing, many interactions between characters are also missing. But the story itself is pretty much the same so far.

  2. Rex says:

    “…but at this point I consider Deadman Wonderland to be a good adaptation.”

    How can you make this assumption if you if havent read the manga? You dont have anything to compare to. Read it, seriously.

    @Aecen
    They also skipped a few (albiet small, but still important) story arcs. In the manga, several weeks has passed at this point, since ganta was enrolled in deadman wonderland. Because of the removal of the story arcs, and everything is rushed, he has only been there for a few days.

    Either way, read it psgels, THEN conclude how good of an adapation it is.

  3. DmonHiro says:

    Hell yeah, only a little more untill we get to see why Owl is to be feared.

  4. From what I’ve heard, the anime is trying to cover the first arc of the manga (about 21 chapters) in one cour so at the very least it’s moving at a really fast pace.

  5. psgels psgels says:

    Rex: that’s the point I tried to make: from the perspetive of someone who hasn’t read it and knows nothng about what’s going on in the manga, it is a good adaptation. I’ve had this discussion about a ton of other series before, but I just don’t have the time to also check out the original source material.

  6. Nayrael says:

    Some characters were cut but thats not so bad at this point: they were never supposed to play any role in this arc. They can easily be introduced in S2 anyway.

  7. inter4ever says:

    I don’t think you can judge how good an “adaption” is without reading the source material. You can just judge how good the anime on its own is. FMA first season was a great show, however, was it really a good adaption? I don’t think so. Deadman Wonderland has been good so far, except as others said, they are really rushing the events.

  8. DmonHiro says:

    You can’t say something is a good adaptation of a manga if you HAVEN’T READ THE MANGA. It’s like doing a review of a movie you haven’t seen. You can call it a good series, if you want, but you can’t claim you haven’t read the manga, but think the anime is a good adaptation. It makes you look stupid, as if you don’t know what the word “adaptation” means.

  9. anon1 says:

    Deadman Wonderland has been good so far? the character design/animation is fucking bad, the fights are lame and the story is like a Elfen Lied rip-off + crappy cliche shounen. The manga is enjoyable but this adaptation…

  10. Ebod says:

    Anime should be at around 1/4th of the manga right now.

  11. Ebod says:

    Sorry for double post, but I’m wrong. More like 1/3rd or 1/2. I just thought it was less because of the amount of stuff they’ve cut out.

  12. Kaka says:

    i think u stupid, maybe because review is stupid.
    anime of deadman is stupid, because the manga is better and original. if u have a book that is very thick and full of story , and try to cram it into 12 episode series, u will end up with stupidity.
    deadman anime is stupid.

  13. maskedguy says:

    Hmm, I haven’t watched anime yet, but are people just bitching about the fact it has less subplots and characters? I like subplots and characters, but hey, it doesn’t make it automatically bad xD

  14. Necro_Macro says:

    As a manga reader, I don’t consider this show a good adaptation. I’m not going to whine about characters that have been removed (they can be introduced with ease in the event of a second season) but all scenes are rushed, some important explanations are omitted while useless stuff is usualy kept. And if the producers somehow decide to add an anime original ending in the last episode, I will consider it a terrible adaptation. And yes, reading the source material is necessary to judge an adaptation, no doubt about that.

    And yes, you can’t judge an adaptation without reading the source material.

  15. Necro_Macro says:

    Sorry, I meant to delete that last line, but I got distarcted and forgot.

  16. Aecen says:

    Honestly I think that is the problem in all media (books are a great example). My suggestion is to watch anime first than read the manga, you will enjoy it much more. On it’s own the anime is pretty good.

  17. dosetsu says:

    How can you say you have no time to read manga too when you watch hours of anime each day?

  18. totoum says:

    Sorry psgels but I”‘m going to have to agree with all the other people,feel free to say you think DW is a good anime but you’re in no place to judge it as an adaptation if you havn’t read the manga.

    You need to have read the manga to judge an anime as an adaptation.I don’t consider that statement an opinion,I think it’s a fact.
    Judging it as an adaptation means you have to compare it to the manga,how can you compare it to the manga when you havn’t read it?
    Again though you’re free to say something like “I don’t know how it fares as an adaptation but I think it’s a good anime”

    It’s not about cutting stuff out,the death note Anime cut stuff out from the manga and people didn’t complain for exemple.
    IIt’s cutting stuff out that leaves the anime only watchers with a ton of questions or thinking there’s plotholes

    You yourself said “as much as I like this show, it does have its share of plotholes”

    My favorite aspect of the manga was how it somehow managed to avoid plotholes and make all the insanity somehow logical,a lot of that is lost in the anime.

    That being said,doing this show in only one cour was mission impossible to begin with.

  19. m says:

    I don’t think you need to read the source material to state that you think something is a good adaptation, but I would say that I mean to suggest that there are different ways for something to be a ‘good’ adaptation. The first is to painstakingly duplicate the material in the source, like Monster tries to do. Another is to carry over enough of the essence of a work that the viewer has a sense of fulfillment, because the pacing hasn’t been spoiled, the theme hasn’t been lost, and there aren’t a lot of holes or dangling threads. Since a lot of adaptations fail at this, if someone that hasn’t read the source material tells me they think an adaptation of a work is good, I would take it to mean that they felt this pattern of disaster was averted.

    I’ve read the manga. I make no secret that I don’t think it’s particularly good. It has a worthwhile aesthetic that I appreciate in the procession of madness and despair, so I don’t find it without merit; it’s why I read it. On the other hand, I think the work is a little stupid, though not as absurd as Mirai Nikki or King of Thorn. (Mirai Nikki has redeeming features as well, and an adaptation coming up, which I’ll check that out too, despite finding the source material flawed.)

    I think the anime is a fair adaptation of something that might have two cours to tell the crux of the story, if it’s lucky. It has removed ‘me too’ characters that don’t change the theme of the work, but instead just duplicate the pattern you’ll find in the characters that are already present. It might lessen some of the weight of the despair of the work, but I doubt it. With the exception of the changes to the race, I haven’t felt that anything they’ve done has made the work stupider, so there’s that at least.

    There is only one character that has been removed that really matters for the plot if they happen to do another cour. To be honest, the arc in question is not very clever, but it could still be presented in a hypothetical second cour by introducing the character without the initial backstory, since it’s not that significant. Doing it without messing up the chronology I leave to the director, but given how they handled the changes to the race that set us on this path I would be cautious in assuming the best.

    Now as a faithful reproduction of the manga it’s a failure, but I don’t know why anyone assumes that this would ever get the kind of investment necessary to faithfully adapt the whole work. It could have dropped off in the middle of excitement like Zombie Loan or been mangled like Tsubasa or Tegami Bachi. Still, I understand where fans are coming from, even if I don’t happen to share the sentiment here.

  20. K.K. says:

    The anime moves at a pretty good clip; the manga has a tendency to drag a bit, so I’m not complaining if they did cut things. It’s been a while since I read the manga though, but from what I can tell, the adaptation covers all the important bits. At least, all the stuff I actually remember from the manga.

  21. AKI says:

    I’m with psgels with this one. I consider manga and anime separate pieces of work anyway. An manga is the work of an author/mangaka. An anime is the work of a director – so treat them as separate pieces of work. It’s inevitable that comparisons will be made especially by the ones who read the manga first.

  22. mike says:

    This episode broke my heart because up until now, this was maybe my favorite show ever. So many animes have retarded character conflicts like this one that have absolutely no substance behind them. Ok, so i get that one of that characters is silly, but is that really an excuse? The main character asks his friend why she completely ruined the multiple sacrifices and efforts of the resistance, and instead of saying, “Because it was all just a trap and you had no chance,” she says, “I did it because you are weak,” and leaves it at that. Seriously, if you can’t imagine a single realistic reason for your characters to disagree with each other, hire a writer to help you, or remember one argument that you’ve ever had with a friend and use that. There is so much that is great about this show, and I honestly never thought that it would suddenly become so painfully stupid! I’ve recommended this show to every one of my friends already, and because of this episode I’m already regretting it.

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What is this mysterious creature known as summer you refer to? =P My country is grey as a black and white film =P
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Youjo Senki 6 subs came out at 11pm PST.
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Atleast Rakugo didnt get held up. Still amazing as ever
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SuperMario
Hey, I would be very frustrating if Hand shakers got delayed. But I agree this delay is caused by Being X. And Scum's Wish, haizzz, this is the show we love to get pissed at. Haha
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I blame Being X.
AidanAK47
Sigh, Youjo Senki 6 is delayed. Why is it always the best shows that get delayed? If an episode of hand Shakers was delayed no one would give a crap but nope. Gotta be the show you want to watch right away.
AidanAK47
@Anon, in both anime and manga I never liked that character much.
Anonymous849783
Meh, dropped Masamune-kun. Seriously why do they always have to shove in these one dimensional characters with a crush out of f* nowhere. It never made any of these shows more interesting, it's always the opposite.
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Kaiser Eoghan
As I continue to watch scums wish, it becomes an anger inducing as much as it is engrossing experience.
AidanAK47
Or the UBW movie over the TV series. You just don't do that.
AidanAK47
That's like recommending someone to watch NGE death and rebirth instead of the TV series.
Kaiser Eoghan
Meh, I just got fed up with the padding in the tv version.
AidanAK47
Jojo has the kind of entertainment that clicks with you or doesn't so I understand if you didn't get into it. Though to give it a fair chance I would recommend trying the first episodes of Battle Tendency. It starts at episode 10 of the first season, you can jump to it. If that doesn't catch you then Jojos really isn't for you.
AidanAK47
Don't listen to Kaiser. The OVA is bad.
Kaiser Eoghan
....found out where a friend had been off to lately, making a movie and he ended up actually making and finishing and I got first dibs. Had a hard time commenting on it as I know the guy personally.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Totally with you on the academy thing.
@Lenlo: If you ever try jojo again and get onto part three go for the ova instead as it trims down an overly bloated arc.
Lenlo
For JoJos, I couldnt get through the first season. It just didnt hook me
Lenlo
What I dont understand is how anything other than Mob Psycho won best animation, cause my god.
Lenlo
I think Erased lost not because of the libido, but because Yuri was "gay" and "progressive" and most important of all, recent. Yuri had just finished airing so it was stuck in everyones heads. Of course it was going to win everything
AidanAK47
Erased truly deserved to win that category and it only lost because people voted with their libido instead of their head.
AidanAK47
If there's one thing that really makes me angry about these awards it's Yuri on Ice winning most heartwarming moment for "The Kiss". Because A) It wasn't a fucking kiss and B) Even if it was that isn't heartwarming. Oh I am sure something is getting warm but it sure as hell isn't your heart.
AidanAK47
Likely the main reason Kira didn't win main villain because Jojo has grown to a episode count which makes people hesitant to pick it up. Not to mention many would lose interest by Stardust crusaders midpoint.
AidanAK47
When it comes to judging quality you have to leave it to the people who have experienced enough of the medium to truly be able to critical judge it. Pretty darn sure most who voted didn't even bother watching everything worthwhile each season and just gravitated towards whatever they were exposed to.
AidanAK47
Lets not forget someone voting multiple times and bot voting. Because yes, people really do that. As you two pointed out, a public vote was never truly going to be a accurate gauge of quality. For you are not only opening the vote to anime lovers but also newbies and those who simply haven't refined their tastes yet.
SuperMario
so they either abstained their votes (which actually was reasonable); voted for something popular or even voted based on what their kids liked the most (which was flat out unforgivable).
SuperMario
This from my own frustration mostly when it comes to awards like this. But I've been following the Academy Awards for way too long now and every now and then you heard something that really disheartened about their voting process. Like for example many of the Academy members admitted that they don't care to watch anything animated because... it's kiddy stuff
SuperMario
TL;DR: my point is I have mixed feeling about the whole Crunchyroll awards. One more thing that I noticed about the nomination is that the pool was dominated by shows from the first half of last year.
Lenlo
I dont think public voting is the way to go is the thing. Popularity contests are horrible. With popularity contests moe is going to be near the top every time, while shows like Rakugo never really have a chance. And I think there is little doubt that Rakugo was one of the best shows last season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: there is an issue with the first thou, because reviewers like us don't actually represent the whole public opinions. So it's all come down to the very reason they create an award in a 1st place (your second point). But with voting we can't really reason why the winners win the trophy, right?
Lenlo
The problem with awards like that is for them to mean anything they need 2 things. 1) A board of voters who are actual reviewers who have watched a large portion of what was on shelf that season. 2) Reasons for why each thing won its award. An award without reasons means nothing
SuperMario
Other issue about voting for these awards is that the nominating body and the voting body aren't always the same. Usually the voting body is broader and more generic in taste, so I'm not at all surprised when shows like Rakugo couldn't win. Too art-house for their liking. Well, at least it got nominated which for me is good enough.
SuperMario
That's the thing. When it comes to awards, they are more 'popularity' contest than actual quality, since people tend to vote for the safer choice (the one that are both popular and mildly critical success), YOI fits the bill here.
Lenlo
Those awards were not the best and little more then a popularity contest imo.
SuperMario
Actually with that line-up I had no problems with YOI taking the top spot
SuperMario
I actually forgot about the Crunchyroll Anime Awards so I came to check the winner. Guess which show won AOTY huh? Alright, at least it wasn't Kabaneri or Jokers Game
Kaiser Eoghan
But the best one was Mask of Phantasm.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: And return of the joker also.
Kaiser Eoghan
It has aged admittedly very poorly, but I always got a great kick out of that old 1994 spiderman cartoon.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I think its fair to use the term K-anime or C-anime for the Korean and Chinese influenced stuff, or maybe just anime would be just as appropriate. If some Argentinian guy can write/draw a manga for a Japanese manga magazine (big comic superior thats the magazines name) and have it actually be called a manga, it should be the same for China/Korea.
Lenlo
Mhmm. Marvel had the movies, but DC had the animated series
AidanAK47
Man, I loved the villains of Batman Beyond. Inque and Shriek had such interesting powers. The DC animated shows tended to be the one that didn't treat you like a kid while watching.
Lenlo
Well, they released a trailer for Samurai Jack S5, so its coming. Batman Beyond I also enjoyed
AidanAK47
Ah Samurai Jack. Wonder how that Adult swim revival is going? Batman the Animated Series as well didn't need Batman to crack off jokes every minute to be great.
Lenlo
Agreed. Samurai Jack was one of my favorite cartoons for that very reason. It ran the gamut of genres, each episode being something different.
Also I used Nichijou cause it was the first to come to my mind as a "Kids Show", though Love-Ru works as well
AidanAK47
One thing I think Cartoons could do to move away from the stigma of being for kids is having more genres than Comedy and Action adventure. Or at least stop putting comedy in everything.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Every fanbase has it's fanatics. There are idiots everywhere.
@Lenlo, I thought this might come up though I was expecting more of "placing Berserk and To Love-Ru in the same category" thing. Honestly I don't have a rebuttal for that. What is an isn't anime is really a matter of what anime is to you.
Lenlo
Now Aidan, you say putting Berserk and Scoopy doo in the same category is wrong, but what about Berserk and say.. Nichijou? A similar problem comes up and I think thats more to do with Berserk being a pretty major outlier (And I love it for being so. Have all the original Dark Horse volumes on my shelf)
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