Posted by psgels on 19 June 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews




Oh heck, Studio Ghibli did it again. With this, they created yet another must-watch for all ages. If you like family movies, it really is a must-watch.

Now, Ghibli makes two kinds of movies: epic adventure movies, and slice of life movies that often have fantasy adventure themes. Arrietty belongs to the latter, as it shows how a young boy meets a fantasy creature known as one of the borrowers: tiny people who borrow small stuff from humans in order to survive. That kind of set-up is common, but rather than “boy meets fantastical creature”, this movie makes it “fantastical creature meets boy”. Unlike the vast majority of these kinds of movies, we follow Arrietty, how she lives, where she lives, and what she does. And dear God, this movie is good at that.

This movie is meticulously detailed in order to make its setting come alive. Nearly the entire movie just takes place in one house in a small forest, but the creators put a ton of small ideas and detail into just about every scene. The amount of things that these borrowers create from the stuff that they borrow from the humans is immense, the movie is full of all kinds of different kinds of animals, ranging from bugs to mice and birds. It’s a lush movie that just sparkles with life wherever it goes.

Also: the animation. Let me say that out of all of the Ghibli movies not directed by Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata, this one has the best visuals. The backgrounds in particular are just gorgeous, but what feels unique about the animation is how the creators succeeded in showing the difference between large and big. I mean, the main character is about ten centimetres high. When big things are around her, they really look BIG. Especially the way in which humans are animated next to her: that was done in such a way that I have never seen before.

There’s only one major weakness in this movie, and that is some forced conflict near the end of the movie. I’m not talking about the actual ending (which really was great), but the climax before that, in which this movie suddenly turns into one of those preachy environmentalist movies for ten minutes with a conflict and villain that just don’t fit the mood at all. It’s an act that feels like it doesn’t belong in the movie in terms of tone and themes, not to mention that the ‘villain’ is pretty pathetic.

The rest of the movie is environmental, but not at all preachy. Instead it focuses on the subtle tensions between coexisting species, not pointing a bad finger but rather letting everything resolve itself naturally. It’s got some wonderful characters to back this up with (again, the animation really brings these guys to life) with really good voice acting. Despite that one hiccup near the end, it’s a wonderful watch.

Storytelling: 8/10 – Down to earth, well paced and mature, with perhaps one forced bit near the end.
Characters: 8/10 – There may not be much interesting development, but the acting is excellent, and the characters really come to life. It’s got a bad villain, though.
Production-Values: 9/10 – Gorgeous artwork, detailed beyond belief, not to mention the wonderful soundtrack.
Setting: 9/10 – Immensely detailed in describing the life and environment of the main character. There are a ton of ideas in just about every scene.

Suggestions:
Kiki’s Delivery Service
Furusato, Japan
Porco Rosso

22 Responses

  1. Firechick says:

    Want to know what’s even more mind-boggling about this movie? It’s directed by a complete newbie! Not Miyazaki or Takahata, but a new guy named Yonebayashi.

    And man! I want to see this! I don’t want to wait until 2012 to see it in theaters or own it on DVD!

  2. Joojoobees says:

    I’m looking forward to seeing this as well. If nothing else, Ghibli films are great to watch with my young nieces. I bring over a DVD and get some of my brother-in-law’s delicious home cooking. Everybody’s happy!

  3. kurini (kleeny) says:

    I want to watch this too! I hope the subs will come out soon!! And I like family movie! Thank you for the review!

  4. kurini says:

    I want to watch this too! I hope the subs will come out soon!! And I like family movie! Thank you for the review!

  5. signorRossi says:

    As soon as the BD is out I will get it and not watch it before that. I could wait for the Ponyo BD, so it should be possible for this movie too. :)

  6. signorRossi says:

    As soon as the BD is out I will get it and not watch it before that. I could wait for the Ponyo BD, so it should be possible for this movie too. :)

  7. Joe says:

    Excellent movie
    100/100 for me

  8. Watcherzero says:

    Is this a straight up adaptation of the British book? I notice the main charachters names identical.

  9. Ebod says:

    Can’t wait for the movie to be released here so I can see it on the big screen.

  10. senerikfred says:

    @Watcherzone: This is going on Wikipedia’s summary of the first book, but no. The events and human residents are different and Spiller shows up, though what happens on the whole is similar. The environmental themes are Ghibli-style, so I believe that approach was changed as well.

  11. m says:

    The Studio Ghibli signature is one of futility of war, green aesops, routinely subverting conflict in fiction, flying, and so forth.

    This film captures the wonder of Spirited Away with a bit of a green aesop. For a Ghibli film, it surprisingly has something you could call a plot, which seems to be part of what you didn’t like. It’s telegraphed from the beginning of course by the appearance of the character. Ugly characters are frequently villainous; it’s the laziest of animated film tendencies. It’s further hinted at again and again, as she makes those ugly facial expressions and the parents’ warning of the dangers of sticking around after being seen.

    As to the structure of this movie, it loosely adapts the structure of the book. The details are totally different, but the part you complain about preserves a similar series of events from the book. It’s been given something of a happier ending, since the danger is dispensed with easily and Sho gets some closure with Arrietty before they leave.

  12. Maygaess says:

    i want to point out one thing from reading “Starting Points” by Miyazaki, that maybe some things are childish in his movies (the way the villains are depicted for example) he (i know he didnt direct this one but he still has influence) always wants to make movies that are directed at children so they can enjoy them.

    also, i wonder what movie will take 10/10 in production values if not one like this ;)

  13. gandalf8 says:

    This is another classic movie by the incredible Studio Ghibli. The setting is really meticulously designed and well thought out. For example the tea that Homily made. You can see the water droplets are big, and when she pours the tea into their cups, it isn’t like normally where the tea flows, but rather she’s pouring big droplets of tea into the cups. Now that’s attention to detail.

    The first part of the movie, which focused on portraying the way of life of Arrietty and her family, was the best part imo. They managed to show how they could live among us humans realistically. Their principle to only “borrow” things that humans won’t miss easily, how they adapted human made things for their own usage, and they way they made use of their surroundings to make their secret paths were very interesting and insightful to watch.

    Unfortunately, the conflict that they made seemed a bit too cheesy and forced. I do get that this is a movie primarily aimed at children so a simple plot is the best way, but I wish that it wasn’t so simplistic and unoriginal. Haru is also a rather lame “villain” that could have been better portrayed than she currently is. While all that talk when Arrietty first met Shou, about all those extinct species seemed very out of place and I suspect is just Ghibli’s usual insert of their environmentalist message.

    Overall, it was a good watch. Although it won’t rank as one of Ghibli’s best, it is way better than a lot of Western animated movies. I’ll definitely recommend this to my siblings.

  14. anon says:

    I was really disappointed – the backgrounds were beautiful and the details superb, but the characters were so dull and lifeless, and all the excitement and danger was removed from the plot. I loved the books as a child and they were made into a wonderful BBC TV series, with great actors including Ian Holm (Bilbo from LOTR!).

    I know Japanese children might be more obedient than British children, but surely they are still naughty sometimes, and people still speak to each other! Here the rebellious Arrietty becomes very bland and there’s no humorous dialogue, like a real family might have.

    As others have pointed out, the token Ghibli environmental bit was really shoehorned in and didn’t fit the themes of the story, but at least it was brief.

    I didn’t expect this to be much like the books, but hoped it would at least be fun!

  15. ROl says:

    I saw the movie today. The backgrounds and were very detailed but the plot can be arranged in a better way specially the end. I haven’t red the books but I would have ended the movie in another way. At least for me there were a lot of questions of what happens to the boy, if he survived the surgery about if arriety found a new home etc etc. Well this is just my opinion.

  16. gloomy says:

    I had real issues with the young boy character. He didn’t really have much going for him, all he seemed to do was open up about his problems for no apparent reason.
    His situation was already being effectively communicated without these awkward conversations. You can’t create empathy for a character by giving them a hard life, you actually need to make them interesting and engaging.
    It ended up feeling all a little shallow for me. He was also a bit horrible at times, wasn’t sure if i was meant to like him or hate him.

  17. llj says:

    Actually I believe the book did have some fairly hammy environmentalist themes as well, for those who are blaming it ALL on Ghibli. Of course, that’s maybe why they chose this book to adapt.

  18. Catherine Butler says:

    Yes, the conversation about the number of human beans vs. the number of borrowers in the world was lifted pretty much straight from the book, so it wasn’t an insert.

  19. aoi says:

    Arriety’s lifestyle was indeed the best part of the movie. The detail in how she lives day-to-day is utterly charming.
    I agree that the ‘villain’ was indeed pathetic, but i think the biggest problem was time. While I found no problem with the pacing, I would love for extra time to be added to the movie, dedicated to further fleshing out Sho/the other human residents.
    All in all, i loved the movie. :)

  20. Anca says:

    You’re seeing the old woman too much as the ‘villain’ when she isn’t: her actions might count as ‘villainous’ to us observers, but to her what she did what no different to us capturing insects or mice in jars, or taking down a bird nest to look at the chicks. I really liked the way she was so childish and so, well, grandmother-y in a way you rarely see in fiction. Remember when she called them little thieves? Remember the tone of her voice, her expression? It wasn’t hateful or angry. Fictional old women are always for some reason perfect, when real old people are more like her.

    And her calling the exterminators, well, that might have been a bit… but it’s still very understandable. An old woman’s active imagination, worries, exaggeration – she probably thought the walls were full of them. And remember that she saw them about the same as having a colony of mice living in the walls. I’d probably act exactly like Shou if we found mice in our house, and my grandma would fill the cellar with mouse traps and rat poison.

    There wasn’t some epic plot, there was no need for a strong, interesting ‘villain’. All the events of the movie had internal logic – Haru discovered the Borrowers because Shou was found their house and putt the dollhouse kitchen in there, because even he saw them as some sort of pets instead of people. This amounted to enough conflict to tell interesting story without feeling forced at all, without getting the impression that a plot, something someone is writing, is happening.

    Miyazaki still wrote the script. He wouldn’t have written an evil old woman out to get revenge on some little people for stealing sugar cubes.

    • signorRossi says:

      Anca got it completely right with her obeservations.
      This movie seemed just perfect to me and I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would, it’s one of my top fav Ghibli movies now.

  21. Starss says:

    Amazing movie! Especially loved the attention to detail and in particular the little droplets of water the Borrowers lived on. Three droplets of tea in a cup, they oozed out of the teacup and didn’t stream as our larger volumes of water do and even wringing out a towel or picking up a spilt kettle was accompanied with a water drop sound.

    Also enjoyed the animation on Sho where his slow movement (because of his heart problems or because of his size?) was animated very smoothly.

    It was unusually quiet with a lot less dialogue than even a typical iyashikei slice of life would have but all I really wanted to do was gawp at the meticulously detailed lifestyle of the Borrowers.

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I hope we see more of that shot from episode 11, the one on the bottom right.
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@Mario: Thanks for covering the show. Probably wouldn't have seen it otherwise.
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@Mario: Theres a prequel manga for shoujo kageki, I haven't read it though.
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And as another random fact, a young Swedish actor from film called death in Venice was the basis for the design of an old shounen-ai manga.
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Now anon, that reminds me, Ash was apparently based off River Phoenix.
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@Anon: You cheeky fiend =P
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If they ever make a live action Banana Fish, they should cast Kevin Spacey as Dino.
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I didn't know double decker was supposed to be related to tiger and bunny.
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@Mario: I'll be starting shoujo kageki in a few hours.
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Needless to say, while this season has been a bit underwhelming, I have like 3 favorite shows that might end up on my Top 10 of the year list.
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Donkey VietKONG.
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SUPER-MAOrio =P
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Regarding RErideD and Double Decker, I'm in no rush checking them out now. Will do that after this season wraps up
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Regarding politic, my dad was a Communist so he was pretty tight-lipped when it comes to the topic. Most of the things I learned from how the system works is by listening to him and his colleagues talk over while drinking
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Regarding Ash, yeah it strikes me the same as Ash is is way too perfect in everything (the new talent we found out the last few episodes: superhacker). When he said to Eiji that he never wanted that "gift" in the first place, I honestly don't know which one he was referring to
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I may aswell finish it given that that its the last episode.
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So Planet With ends and the madman actually did it. Besides needing a bit more of a epilogue, that was a great finale.
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@Animosh: I try to understand, make sense of the other sides views within reason.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I really want a successful fantasy go on an adventure style show though, I feel like I'm genuinely in the mood for one, I've actually considered watching some old ovas of that nature.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: The most common thing my father and I talk about is Brexit really and how once upon a time we actually went after tyrants.
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And even though I have the God thing, never became a burn the witches kind of person. I do want to put the far right/fascist people in gulags though lol
Kaiser-Eoghan
The Kaiser thing, now that I think about it is actually really odd, I speak minimal German, am no monarchist and am a leftist. Yet even though I hate the bougoiuse , I love aristocratic costumes lol
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Then again, it may not be overly odd, there were Maoist priests.
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@Kaiser-Eoghan: This is pretty common here too. Organized religion isn't popular but most people believe there is a God and, depending on the person and cultural background, that parts of the holy books are true (or not, if they're real agnostics), usually in a metaphorical sense though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*upbringing
Kaiser-Eoghan
That mixed upbringoing of having a communist father and religious relatives is an interesting thing.....for all of the exploitation I watch, I ctually feel nunsploitation is going too far lol I also sometimes check with my dad before watching certain things to make sure it isn't "too anti-left/anti socialist".
Amagi
@Animosh: No problem. I think it depends a bit on how people were brought up decades ago. It's probably different nowadays, no idea. The arguing was kinda fun though, especially for the teen me (I bet I annoyed the shit out of my father).
Kaiser-Eoghan
Yet having no regard for organized religion.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I however am a mutt though, believer in some kind of a God to an extent....while also having communist sympathies.
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@Animosh@Amagi: As it stands neither my mother or brother are communists, actually my mother while very left wing would criticize my father when going "too communist". My parents and my brother are the only members of my family who could be considered leftist/non-religious.
Amagi
@Animosh: Planet With definetely needs some sort of epilogue OVA. You can somewhat guess the dragon's story but it's not the same as seeing it and there are still a few of semi-loose strings like the people who are still dreaming.
Animosh
@Amagi: my apologies for my presumptuousness. ;) My mother occasionally also participated in political discussions, but yeah, for some reason it's often men who have strong political opinions and are not willing to admit defeat in discussions.
Amagi
Also I don't spoil anything but the last minutes of the first episode just feel stupid. I think/hope there will be an explanation later for how something has worked so perfectly that shouldn't have worked at all. In general it seems to be a show that tries hard but can't deliver for some reason. I won't completely judge it yet though.
Animosh
Planet With also wrapped up things nicely. Unfortunately the dragon remains a bit underdeveloped, which makes it difficult for me to care about his fate, and I would have liked to see at least the main ship officially confirmed, but other than that it was an excellent finale that satisfactorily ties up all loose ends. This is how you do a one-cour.
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Amagi
@Animosh: funny enough I am female, but yeah somehow these discussions only exist with fathers while the mothers are just trowing the towel and say "fuck it", I mean it usually doesn't change anybody's mind so it's more of a hobby I guess.
Animosh
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Anonymous2822860
will be seeing what kind of flaws Ash has. Also, I think this way of characterizing him also fits into the narrative. This strength that Ash has is what pushes his gang members away and see him not as a normal human, but a "king."
Anonymous2822860
That was some interesting insight on Ash as a "perfect" person. While I do think that Banana Fish shows that Ash is an extremely capable person time and time again, he cannot win this "war" alone. There's too many enemies and too many things that need to be done. Also, I think as we get further on into the second cour, we
Anonymous2822162
Also, it's neat watching the first few episodes again after what goes down throughout the first half of the series; you get to see all of the characters together before everything blows up in their face.
Anonymous2822162
When I say perfect characterization, I should say I mean the way he's characterized as this perfect supremely capable person. The other characters do help reveal other aspects of Ash though: Eiji is his age and allows him to be a normal teenager; Max is like a surrogate father and lets him act like a son; Arthur and Dino are kind of evil inverses of that.
Anonymous2822162
When I say perfect charac
Anonymous2822162
Anyways, not to hate on Ash because he's still a fantastic main lead and anchors the whole show. It's just that because he loses sometimes I push some of the problems of his perfect characterization to the side, but when you actually think about it, he seems more like a character than a real person.
Anonymous2822162
Also the fact that Ash has been through a super tragic backstory doesn't help a lot: it seems like the writers are trying to make him a character who has been through all the tragedy in the world and has overcome it and became the most skilled person in the world. I will say though that any onscreen tragedy is 100% believable, it just some of the flashbacks that are a bit too much.
Anonymous2822162
I guess that slightly cheapens Ash's character on retrospection: of course he is still the charismatic lead, but he feels a bit too perfect at everything. Dino must have taught him quite a bit, but Ash is skilled in, like, everything. It just seems a bit too much.
Anonymous2822162
Like the whole Yut-Lung Shorter Eiji situation was beyond Ash (in fact he still knew something was off but couldn't pinpoint what); that wasn't really a mistake Ash made, it was just that he couldn't have known the secret connections Yut-Lung had.
Anonymous2822162
Something I noticed about Ash is that he is, as some of you pointed out, a Gary Stu but it doesn't immediately jump at you. The thing is that Ash still loses quite a bit, so he doesn't seem invincible, yet at the same I think the majority of his losses were beyond his control. It doesn't feel like he makes mistakes, rather that other people outmaneuver him due to factors beyond him.
Animosh
@Kaiser & Amagi: I also had lots of political discussions with my father. Didn't know that was such a common occurrence. Boys will be boys I guess? And he's actually a former Marxist too, having grown up in the 60's-70's and all. Now he's just a boring socialist though. ;)
Animosh
RErideD seemed really promising in theory: an original time travel anime written (at least in part) by Abe, with the director of Steins;Gate in charge? Count me in. But unfortunately the reviews so far seem to be uniformly negative. So I'll probably avoid it for now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Four episodes of RErideD: Tokigoe no Derrida got uploaded at the same time earlier.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Yes, although probably just for the Saturday, usually the best day to do so because thats when the sellers are there, usually everythings gone by Sunday. Friday is generally anime pub quiz.
Lenlo
Its just a saturday, so busy. And Kaiser, nice. Gonna go to the con at all?
Lenlo
As a writer for it, I dont believe so?
Anonymous2818178
is this site dead?
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is an animecon here in two weeks. That eyepatchwolf youtuber will be there.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I still have old single issues of fushigi yugi, inuyasha, Ah my Goddess, narutaru laid around.
Kaiser-Eoghan
They used to realease them like single American comic book issues in the west.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not talking bound volumes but actual 20-30 pages chapters and these would be expensive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Who remembers RENTING anime dvds and RENTING videogames? Does anyone else remember buying each individual manga chapter as they came out when the official English translations rolled around?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Anyone willing to post their desktop? https://ibb.co/buc4Zz
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or things like Mischief makers .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know vonter mentioned Mystical ninja 64. But I remember after I'd moved on from the snes to the N64 when I was younger, growing up with that obscure castlevania game on it, or stuff like those 3D bomberman games no-one cared about. Or obscure stuff like body harvest, jet force gemini, blast corps , turok, quest 64 and shadowman.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love coming across those online lists of literally WHOtier, WHOcares , games literally only YOU liked and heard of/played. Makes me feel less alone.
Amagi
I was also always discussing about politics with my father. Whenever we started with this my mother just said "porca putana" and went into another room to watch tv in peace.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animemosh: lol I have daily political discussion with my Marxist-Leninist father just like that =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh I should state, even though I'm not as bothered by the modern setting, I actually do prefer the cold war narrative.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: The documentries name was Battle of Chile by Patricio Guzman.
Amagi
Especially since I don't think that the typical BF audience is of a kind that would lose interest because a series is taking place in the past. It was just written for the 80s, people can't just change that without changing the story itself to some degree.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: I thought the anime did such a good job with Shio's backstory , that I didn't miss what was omitted. The anime is now up to date with the scans. I do agree that Satou's obsession with Shio is non-pedophilic but I think the scene itself is kind of going to give the wrong message.
Amagi
@Animosh: one of the many reasons why I would have prefered Banana Fish's original setting.
Animosh
By the way, apparently the backstory of Shio's mother - which supposedly is really tragic - was largely skipped. Guess I'll have to read the manga.
Animosh
I get what they're going for, recreating the ritual and all, but I also thought the Shio-Satou moment was a bit forced. I still think their relationship is platonic though. Satou has never been shown to lust after Shio: she just fills her with warmth and happiness. They're more like messed up siblings than (romantic) lovers.
Animosh
@Kaiser: sounds interesting! Chile is an excellent example of the kind of Cold War intervention that I really don't see happening today. Although you never know with an impulsive narcissist in the White House.
Animosh
End of monologue. Sorry about this. :p
Animosh
Long story short: I think the Banana Fish conspiracies fail to adequately represent the current situation. At the very least, it fits the Cold War world order much better.
Animosh
That includes the US (backing the Kurds and the rebels), but also Turkey and the Arab states (Sunni rebels), Russia and Iran (Assad), and so on and so forth. You can't act like this is the fault of one party. Hell, I'd say Russia and Assad are more responsible for failing to a peaceful resolution when they had the chance.
Animosh
As for Syria, it's a mess, but the US is only one of many parties responsible. And oil isn't particularly important in this conflict. It's a civil war that's been made much worse by the influx of money and weapons from many different parties vying for regional influence.
Animosh
So what does it do? It gives military and financial backing to militias with shared interests (which is much less than Russia does, by the way), orders drone strikes, and perhaps the occasional tactical strike. But overthrowing countries and setting up puppet regimes? I don't see it happening. That's basically declaring war on the other big powers.
Animosh
And even when it does intervene militarily, it rarely goes all out. The US has learned from Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't want to be dragged into another endless conflict, or see its efforts end in another brutal civil war that destabilizes the region.
Animosh
So although the US occasionally still intervenes militarily in other countries' affairs, other means of pressure are now more popular. The sanctions against Iran and North Korea are a good example of this.
Animosh
The current landscape is much more complex. America is still powerful, of course, but relatively speaking it is in decline, and that means it can get away with much less. Today's world is closer to a multipolar world, with many sides fighting for influence. And because the ideological conflict is much less pronounced, the US is much less willing to go against its purported values.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Coincidentally I recently watched a series of Chilean documentaries regarding the murder of Salvador Allende and the installation of the Pinochet Junta.
Animosh
And that meant both that America was far more powerful than it is now, and that much more intervention was considered acceptable - including shamelessly backing dictators that oppressed and exploited their people. After all, a defeat meant evil would prevail.
Animosh
Obviously the US still interferes in other countries. Quite a lot, actually. But there's a big difference between its current policy and that during the Cold War. Back then the geopolitical landscape was very different. It was bipolar, with two big Isms (capitalism and communism) fighting it out.
Animosh
@anon: not sure if this is the right place for a political discussion, but whatever. I like politics, so here we go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*was no exception
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: If, out of the many moments in happy sugar life that I'd consider unsettling, it would be the one's with the aunt and this weeks episode was an exception. That last part of the episode will be interpreted as shoujo-ai bait by people though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Looking forward to Angels of death next week, I think we're getting answers, glad to get answers on bad guy even if he is a simple villain.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now this is an interesting coincidence as last night I just got done watching a documentary about cyberwarfare against Iran.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats alot more detailed than what I was going to say. I was just going to say that it reflects current foreign policy.
Anonymous2808488
however the current stalemate in Syria is a reflection of the intransigence of the monied elite to not let go of ill-gotten gains, constantly provoking conflict with Russia/Assad/Iran
Anonymous2808488
Its a documented fact the US/EU promoted the Arab Spring/ISIS rebellions and it was stopped by patriots with a conscience
Anonymous2808488
replace with the mexican cartels/Hezbollah, and oil money promised to Cheney-connected Genie enerrgy
Anonymous2808488
its a pretty accurate description of the current reality minus a couple silly things like the mafia and mind control drugs
Anonymous2808488
You guys realize this plot is unfolding in Syria just replace drugs with oil money
Lenlo
Its hokey in the now, but in the original context the series was written, the Cold War, I think it could fit really well.
Animosh
@Kaiser: what felt awkward to you? I thought the pumpkin stuff in particular was pretty hilarious. Eiji is an evil guy. :p
Animosh
Yeah, the conspiracy stuff feels a bit wacky in the present. But in the context of the Cold War, it makes perfect sense. The USA supported plenty of bloody coups after all, especially in Latin America. Hell, they even backed the Taliban in their war against Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the future I want to make a bigger effort to follow MORE of whats being covered on here seasonally.
Kaiser-Eoghan
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Red
https://manganelo.com/manga/red_naoki_yamamoto Two history manga, wonder if they'll be fully translated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine most will probably agree with you anon though. I have alien taste/opinions. I also love conspiracy stuff =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Originally, in the manga version of that part, it was attacking communism in south America.
Anonymous2805624
I don't know; I kinda find the whole Middle East stuff a bit hokey; maybe that's just me.
Lenlo
Im about to watch it. Looking forward to it
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know its only one line, but that they still mention skip and shorter, even its just their names, at least the show keeps them in mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
With episode 12, Banana fish has successfully contemporized its political/cospiracy aspect for me . Eiji is semi-uselful. Humour in this episode for the first time feels awkward, fast pace kind of means that the quieter slower scenes , though I still enjoy them, feel slotted in.
Lenlo
Most of my emotions this week came because of the original and my love of it, not this one
Lenlo
I agree, Steins;Gate 0 had all the potential, and there are some specific episodes that realized it. Like this episode had a lot of touching scenes cause it slowed down to play up Okabe's relationship with Amadeus. But most of the time, it fails to reach that potential. So as a whole it just feels... lacking
Kaiser-Eoghan
Plebs, not combining both into a single dessert.
Anonymous2802297
I'm talking about that sweet saccharine Chocolate Mousse, the Ganache, or the Chocolate Gâteau. Your puny muffin stands no chance. Mwahaha!
Anonymous2802297
Blasphemy. As a proud American, I can't stand for anything less than pure unadulterated diabetes-inducing sugar in chocolatey cake form. Anything less is an insult to my great nation. /s
SuperMario
@anon2801739: that's a nice analogy but I can't say I agree as I prefer chocolate muffin much more than chocolate cake :)))
Anonymous2801739
Steins;gate 0 is all potential but generally it's wasted. Whenever it actually seems promising they manage to jump plot points to boring nonsensical melodrama for a century. It was supposed to be a chocolate cake. Instead what we got was a muffin with tiny chocolate chips buried few and far between. Yeah it's still sweet at some points, but most of the time you're chewing through pointless fluff.
Lenlo
Like I said in my last post on it I think, the pacing is fucked
Animosh
I did like that the lab members finally acted like scientists again, methodically thinking through their options and all, and there were some pretty touching individual moments and nicely tied up ends. But mostly I'm just annoyed by all the unfulfilled potential of this show.
Animosh
I also hated the backtracking in the beginning. Don't make such a big deal of The Return if you're going to throw it out of the window in the next episode.
Animosh
I really don't understand Steins;Gate's pacing. It slows down to a trickle in the largely irrelevant middle part, and now that things are finally getting somewhat interesting again it just speeds through everything without building things up properly? I don't get it. And how on Earth are they going to resolve everything satisfactorily in one episode?
KTravlos
Reinhard (old series). Ash is interesting and depicted well, but not close to Reinhard. There is something noble in Reinhard, something beyond charisma.
Anonymous2797046
In a charisma battle between our two favorite Blond Boys (doing what blond boys do), who'd win: Reinhard or Ash?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Kind of felt this is what prelude penultimate episode/calm before the storm episode should be and I liked quite liked the ginko and souya scene, but I'm still eh, I shrug at this.
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