Posted by psgels on 23 June 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews, Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae o Boku-Tachi wa Mada Shiranai




Moe in Noitamina. It was a risk. Especially after how Fractale screwed up so badly, seeing A-1 try again in a timeslot whose audience has always been at older audiences with the same teenagers that anime is filled with… I definitely had some doubts right before this series started. And then Ano Hana aired and turned out one of the best written shows of the season.

Ever heard of the phrase “short but sweet”? This is the key to the best Noitamina-series out there: most of them can only be eleven or twelve episodes long, so they really need to know how to use their time, and this series is a brilliant example of how this timeslot should be used. It leaves no moment wasted, it never drags, and it’s always developing its characters, delivering heavy drama, and moving back and forth between showing new things about its characters and fleshing them out.

The show follows six teenagers as they deal with their pasts. All six of them end up as well rounded characters, with their strenghts and flaws: one is an airhead, another is an asshole, another is socially awkward. This series juggles all of them together brilliantly. The acting is excellent and this show is even able to breathe life into the side characters of this series.

Now, this is the kind of series where the characters write the plot. If you like series that have a complex storyline, you don’t need to go for this series: this is just a coming of age drama, but it’s amongst the best I’ve seen. It is very dramatic though: this series really pushes to get as much drama into 11 episodes as possible without making itself shallow: all of the drama here is meaningful and brings out the best of the characters, but if you like series with more restrained and composed acting, you might want to look elsewhere.

If you are looking for an emotional roller coaster however: watch this. Few series can boast to be this well laid out, especially when so small. Everything fits just perfectly. I’m not a fan of moe, but this show is so good that it immediately won me over.

Storytelling: 9/10 – Brilliant at juggling around its drama, never leaves a moment wasted, although the drama can get a little heavy-handed for some.
Characters: 10/10 – A complete tear-jerker; wonderfully rounded characters that play off each other amazingly.
Production-Values: 9/10 – No still frames, no recycled scenes, fluid animation, detailed art, excellent soundtrack. An overall job really well done in every aspect.
Setting: 9/10 – A soothing village back in a forest. Down to earth.

Suggestions:
Asatte no Houkou
Clannad After Story
True Tears

50 Responses

  1. Wandering Bunny says:

    That scoring… I am disappoint.
    I still regard ths series as the most overrated piece of BS this season.

    • Hades says:

      Thank God I’m not the only one that thinks this is highly overrated, I found the drama to be way too forced. i can’t believe this has the same score as LoGH. Unnaceptable.

      Usagi Drop and Penguindrum are great, not this ¬¬

      • Exactly says:

        Yeah; it’s ridiculous that this has the same score as LoGH. I personally regard LoGH as one of the best animes ever, and while fully taking the fact that the two animes are from completely different genres, I am still unable to accept that they have the same score. Like what?! Psgels, you just —

        I usually regard your opinion very highly but I really have to disagreed with you on this account. Ano Hana is a piece of overrated BS.

  2. fuckwanderingbunny says:

    well fuck you wandering bunny

  3. Hogart says:

    A surprisingly solid show. Probably not for those who can’t stand forced drama, but even I managed to consistently enjoy it, and I’m a crusty old fart who generally hates forced drama with a passion.

    It’s not a feel-good healing anime. The cast members tend to be both likable and repugnant. A lot of viewers seemed to just give up and latch onto their favorite character mid-way, even if they were just as reprehensible as the others.

    AnoHana does fall into the “no one asks the most basic questions” trap, but at least does a good job portraying the fears and spite that go into consciously leaving those questions unasked, so it doesn’t feel as trite or tiresome as it easily could have.

  4. m says:

    There are a lot of ways that a teen melodrama can fail miserably, and I think this show really deserves some praise for avoiding them. I suspect that it benefited from them first deciding on the story then building the characters in such a way as to tell it. The characters will do some really outrageous things, but before they do them the show will have deflated the obvious criticisms; whether an action is ridiculous or not, it will fit the character when the event happens.

    It’s a lot like an animated take on a Japanese television drama, only not terrible. I can really see how this would appeal to a broader audience, and since that is supposed to be part of the Nointamina mission, I’d say it’s a good example. I wouldn’t always want to watch this kind of show, but I think a good take away from its financial success might be for future original Noitamina series to (1) write a scenario that when you read it afterward, makes sense (2) express characters’ feelings through body language (3) focus on human problems that a general audience can relate to.

  5. garfield15 says:

    Show was solid, but I think a >90 score is very kind for this show

  6. Jsl273 says:

    Yeah, I agree it’s a very generous score. I think the lack of really good series this season led to it.

  7. EXM says:

    Well, in terms of anime, I can’t really think of anything that has put me through as much of a ride as this one. The storytelling was definitely heavy-handed at times, but in terms of presentation, it was flawlessly executed, so I think it deserved higher than 90 for sure.

  8. Aikun2012 says:

    Definitely deserved a 90+ score. The characters were well developed and well defined. I don’t see how anyone could NOT like this!! The emotions were masterfully flowing in a minuet of sweet perfection and sophistication. Each scene had this sense of human empathy and care, what more could you ask for in a modern drama??? I say either a 92.5 or a 95.0… It totally reminds me of Toradora and Clannad Afterstory (those were masterpieces by the way).

  9. Joshua says:

    I would have given Anohana a 95. This is hands down the best anime of the season. Heck, it might even be the best we’ll get this year.
    Every single character is flawed in their own ways and this is one of the few shows where I actually like all of them. The animation is consistently good and love the soundtrack to bits too. Bravo Bravo!

  10. Tarsio says:

    I really love this anime. It’s impossible not to cry. See Jintan running to find Menma in the end, I thought my heart would stop.

  11. ShyBlue says:

    I just noticed something about this show, which really stuck out kinda badly in the last episode for me. The script is kinda…cheesy and…melodramatic, isn’t it? It’s usually the VAs that do an amazing job and make it stick out less but…I don’t know, I love Anohana, but the last episode kinda…eh. :/ I would have given it an 85 or so.

  12. Alec says:

    @wandering bunny: I agree it’s somewhat overrated, but it’s definitely not BS.

    You know what? screw the talk about overrated, it’s definitely not heading anywhere

  13. Denizen says:

    I’d give it a 9/10, if even only barely. It had a certain something that really made it stand out from other shows of its kind, that really drew you in and appreciate the characters as realistic people.

    It was simple but so well done, it deserves most of the merit it gets.

  14. Nutcase says:

    Definitely one of the best animes this season. This series could have derailed at any single moment due to its short length but A-1 made sure it never jumped the track.

    However, I have been constantly bothered by the ridiculous love hexagon or whatever it was that involved most if not all of the main characters. Is it really possible for the kids in age 7 or 8 to develop such serious romantic crushes on each other that they can only be described as being in love sick at such an early age? In that sense, I think this anime was built upon a really weak and unconvincing premise. In addition, the series could have really used one or two more episodes because even by the end, Poppo and Tsuruko still felt underdeveloped.

  15. Arisu says:

    This anime is sure to be one of the best of the year, the best of the season. I wish that it didn’t have to end. I hope that there will be a movie in the future. XD

    As for the score I think Ano Hana is fully deserving of it.

  16. MoonPig says:

    Albeit an anime in the good books, I feel this show has been overrated. I disliked Menma (boring)…actually I disliked all of the characters save for Anjou. I never cried, felt emotional or related to it but that just goes down to personal callousness. However, in all, I can see why people would like this that’s why I’d score this 80

  17. tomphile says:

    I agree with Moonpig, this show might be overrated a little bit. While it’s good, it’s nowhere near as good as something like Clannad.

    Nevertheless, it was solid and I don’t think it could have ended in a better way at the moment. It was paced just right. It wasn’t amazing by any stretch of the imagination, but I think that this is going to be a show that anybody can watch without leaving their chair.

  18. Impsndcnma says:

    Count me in as someone who wouldn’t rate it as high. It’s easily the best show of the season it’s more like an 85. I never cried while watching it and while I’ll miss the characters I don’t have that feeling of sorry that it’s over that I get with the very best shows. I’d still recommended it to anyone who enjoys the medium it’s just not a top-tier title.

  19. RUSERIOUS says:

    What clannad? nahh give me a break for a show that have lots of episodes vs a mere 11 episodes.. haha I’ll just laugh at that, to be precise I didn’t liked Clannad wherein a girl that will be put on a spotlight at a certain episodes will became only a side character on the main storyline feels like kinda stupid… It’s like a disposable items ~_~… Anohana focuses the spotlight not just around Jinta and Menma but the whole group and they have done it splendidly on a mere “11 episodes” not 40+ *sigh*

    Hands down for the high score it really deserved it, full of emotions and development… Never have a comment on the Production Quality since they did it nicely…

    Best of the season if not best of this year…

  20. mulligan says:

    We need more series like this one. It doesn’t have to be a tearjerker, or a heartstring-strummer, but series that tell a well thought-out, honest message. Moe, fan-service, whatever – if you have to put them in, fine put them in. Ratings, sponsorships, DVD sales are what ultimately fuels the industry at the end of the day, we get that. But genuine, conscientious scriptwriting like this will always steal the show, and win a much longer-lasting fanbase.

    I hope the industry is paying attention to their audiences. Thanks for all your reviews on this show btw psgels.

  21. Pandadog says:

    Wandering Bunny and Fuckyouwanderingbunny are the same person? you witty person.

  22. Dale says:

    Let’s see.. Again, people here are arguing about the score, as is with every other thing that is scored be it games, movies, tv series and other stuff… Personally I wouldn’t care for the score, except that it leads to vague comparisons to other series. (Actually it’s gotten to a point that I rarely look at the score when reading reviews especially aggregated scores like in RT or metacritic).

    What’s more important in this review is the content and I pretty much agree with it. This season, few shows have managed to be this emotional. Some of it feels forced but despite that, it’s still effective. Perhaps the one real and somewhat dealbreaking flaw in this series is the realism. It isn’t realistic at all and I wager some of the viewers will hate it for that. But I for one love that they just threw logic and realism out the window the same way Tokyo Magnitude 8 did.. It’s more imaginative and creative that way..

  23. Frost says:

    Agree with the overrated comments… In fact I dropped this on ep 4 lol cant stand the main girl… annoying as hell, and Im tired of “retard” types… Steins;Gate already gives me my weekly dose of retard girl with Mayuri

    Ill try to pick it up eventually but there is no way this is worth 92,5… Kuragehime was way better and didnt even get 90 /I am disappoint

  24. Jo says:

    This rating is worth it.
    End of story.

  25. fedek says:

    I find the series, really overrated.

    But is a excellent series, probably deserves a 8/10.

    Good review psgels. I agree with you.

    But I simply can`t rate slice of life more than 8.
    For slice of life, i have a real life.

  26. Topspin says:

    If people can rate whinging melodramas like Clannad, Madoka, or Angel Beats so highly, then there’s no reason this should be any lower.

    It may be overly dramatic, it may feature “dumb kids”, but that’s anime drama for you.

    Bottom line is that it’s still a solid drama, uses it’s time well, and people who like that sort of show should truly enjoy it.

    It’s good enough so that even people who don’t, like me, can still truly enjoy it.

    Which is more than I can say for the vast majority of anime drama.

  27. Son Gohan says:

    I would rate AnoHana as a 85/100. It’s a very good show but it lacks something to be called a masterpiece. I felt that many times the author tried too hard to make us cry. Particularly in the last episode I thought that the scene where everyone was crying and shouting and pouring their hearts out was a bit unrealistic.
    Still the best show of the season. Not the best of the year though, I still think that Madoka is superior.

  28. Hades says:

    @fedek

    Totally agrre with you specially at the part:

    “But I simply can`t rate slice of life more than 8.
    For slice of life, i have a real life. ” Spot on

  29. Taara535 says:

    @Son Gohan. Madoka was certainly more original (what other series has made fighting magical monsters in a superhero show like being a GI in the Vietnam War?!)

    Still, I think AnoHana was a bit better executed, and that alone deserves tons of praise. I am very surprised at all of the negative comments here. If you like slice of life, this was a masterpiece.

    And guess what, if you don’t like slice of life shows, don’t watch them and then complain about a good review from a reviewer who openly says he likes slice of life.

  30. VyseLegend says:

    It was a decent show. But really not great in any way. I had a hard time feeling sympathy for any of the characters because of the magical premise of the whole action of the show, and because of how conceited and hypersentimental and spoiled they all appear to be.

    I would give the show a 7 I guess. Its just not something I’m going to recommend because it has no real real theme or message other than ‘don’t act as conceited as the spoiled characters in this show.’

  31. astrocurrent says:

    I think it is kind of amusing that you rate Ano Hana over H&C.

    Ano Hana is a decent show. It aims at empathy, to make one cry. And it succeeded. Applaud for that.

  32. Ishimaru says:

    Ano Hana was a brilliant show, but I don’t think it trumps H&C for me. I love it for the same reasons I love H&C, but damn was H&C good.

  33. Airi says:

    To be honest….when I read the description during the Spring line-up I purposefully ignored this one. I went out of my way to avoid it. That’s because….It was at the start of my last semester of High School. I just graduated last week. Right now..everything is changing. My friends are going away. My whole lifestyle has begun to change.

    And that’s why I watched the whole thing today. Because I needed to face that side of myself.

    I just finished watching the last one no less than 5 minutes ago and, let me say, I was bawling like a baby. I didn’t see those tears coming. I thought I could handle it but I couldn’t. What a great anime.

    So, thank you. Thank you for finally convincing me to grow up a little bit more today.

  34. Hunter-Wolf says:

    Brilliant show, i don’t understand how can anyone not like it unless they really have a dead heart or no taste in anime .. seriously.

    And Menma isn’t dumb .. she is a kid .. a 6 years old mind in the body of an 11-13 years old girl/ghost .. kindhearted .. maybe .. naive .. maybe .. but she is far from dumb .. it’s quite obvious.

    As for the score .. well .. i prefer the (Horrible/Bad/Good/Very Good/Excellent) rating system .. and without doubt AnoHana is one of the EXCELLENT shows out there in both the drama category and anime in general .. the music and songs are chosen to fit perfectly with the themes .. the animation is excellent for a Drama show and character designs and color palettes are lively and vibrant .. story is very well paced and has a strong impacting climax .. characters have depth and the show gives every one of them a chance to shine … .. oh .. and no disgusting fan-service, no pointless nudity, no dick jokes or boob groping or panty shots, no dumb cardboard characters … what’s not to like !!!!!

    And to all those going on with the (ewww, i have a classy taste this show is so overrated, it is way below my class, it’s for the tasteless brainless masses), (I didn’t feel anything, i didn’t cry, i’m a manly man) … thanks for nothing XD

    • Hades says:

      Ah ok, so the series you love is the best thing ever made and everyone who disagree with that have bad taste on anime huh. That’s basically what you’re saying here… really, grow up kid.

  35. MoonPig says:

    @Hunter-Wolf
    Clearly you have missed the general consensus of the comments stating that it was a good show definitely above the 80 mark. Can’t you tell the difference between being objective and subjective? BTW No one at all said that this show was “below” their class or was “for the tasteless brainless masses” so thank you for making such a banal statement.

    Oh, a shout out to the blogger – thanks for all the great reviews you’ve been doing!

  36. Tc says:

    I believe this show was simply fantastic. I was able to relate with each and every character, feeling their joy, anger, anguish, jeleousy, feeling their emotions on a level as if it was one of real life. for that alone it is one of the best of this season. He rated it perfectly and gave you examples of WHY he rated it where he did. Please reread the entire post before you fast forward to the score and then say it doesn’t deserve it.

  37. RaZ says:

    You know, i see alot of comments of people having negative comments of “the characters” pouring there hearts out in the last ep. Everyone seems to forget that, they’ve been holding the burden of somone they all love died, and blamed themselves for it. if thats not enough to get someone emotion al to that level, good chance your a lifeless rock.

  38. Tiggerknowsbest says:

    ah i just knew you would have liked it as much as i did psgels, definetely the rating it deserved.

    Every character in this show should be an example for any slice of life series to come. Anohana took the time to completely discover each and every character (poppo could have had a bit more time cause he was hilarious).

    definitely the standout series of the season for me.

  39. Tiggerknowsbest says:

    ah i just knew you would have liked it as much as i did psgels, definetely the rating it deserved.

    Every character in this show should be an example for any slice of life series to come. Anohana took the time to completely discover each and every character (poppo could have had a bit more time cause he was hilarious).

    definitely the standout series of the season for me.

  40. AKI says:

    I would have rated it higher. Manly tears, man, manly tears. Honey and Clover did not make me cry, Ano Hana did.

  41. mds says:

    I agreed that this is a fantastic show..with exceptional characters,but let me get to the point…a “9” in setting? Is the setting explored that much? This is a series about the characters,right? Psgels,I think you should be more objective about this.

  42. charizardpal says:

    Madoka had a better ending but started lame. Anohana started well but had a lame ending.

  43. summerberries says:

    I am okay with it, but it is not that awesome.
    Too much unnecessary drama specially when someone died ages ago. The story doesn’t need a lot of thinking but just stirring your emotion. Unrealistic overly emotional. For heart wrencher lovers.

    Too much attention on Menma. They made Menma sounds like a living goddess. The most perfect girl that no one can compare. Menma personality also annoys me, acting all cute and innocence -> the usual anime cliche. It may sound mean, but I didn’t cry. I was looking forward for the girl to go heaven

  44. rly? says:

    In my opinion, this series is definitely overrated. It’s a great, pleasant story to watch. However, following the standards set by your other reviews, this one should not have been rated above 90/100. Not that it wasn’t good enough, it’s just that some better series have received lower ratings. Maybe you really have enjoyed it that much, but for me it feels a bit unfair to the other ones.

  45. zzzdrama says:

    Idk why there are so many positive reviews of this. Personally, I felt like all of story could have been compressed to one or two episodes and gotten pretty much everything covered.

    SPOILER ALERT*****
    Did they REALLY have to show the same scene of menma’s shoe or whatever a zillion times over? And instead of feeding the same scenes over and over again like in the clubhouse and having them all sit around, showing it again and again and again really got on my nerves. They should have given us more background instead of just repeating things over and over again -_- Like WHY is menma really this amazing person that everyone loves still after years?? BACKGROUND PLEASE.<<
    Maybe if they actually didn't keep repeating the same scenes over and over again and gave us enough background to actually like menma, I might change my mind about this anime, but as of now, this is one of my least favorite animes of all time.
    Also, having menma be a ghost that only the main character can see and who can somehow move objects and write in a diary is really…….let's just say that part irked me a lot as well.
    In addition, the emotional part was so forced IMO that I was just like "….seriously??" after like the 20 millionth time seeing them cry -_- I know "conventional" drama has a lot of the elements Ano Hana has, and seeing that a very large proportion of the population love watching drama, that is probably why there are so many people who love it. I personally do not like this kind of drama, but to each their own. The storyline and characters sucked, and since that is pretty much what I look for in an anime, I personally rate it a 2/10 just for the okay animation. And no, I am not some "heartless fiend" or w/e, I am somewhat of a crybaby when it comes to some drama, but when it comes to this kind of forced drama…I was honestly laughing early-midway into the anime -_-

  46. Jedman says:

    I enjoyed this show, it was well made and has good character development. But the over the top drama and crying put me off, made it so I couldn’t get emotionally as into the show as I would have liked myself.

    It’ like there trying so hard to make it emotional that it becomes annoying. it’s too try hard.

    Some of it was very over the top and forced, if it was a bit more subtle I think it would have been much better for it.

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Cleared my cache and it looks to be fixed. Thanks as always K-Off. I would be completely screwed without you around.
K-Off
Alright I think that did it. Let me know if it pops up again. If you still see it, clear your browser cache and let me know if its still there.
AidanAK47
Messages still get sent. You just might have to reload the page. We are working on getting it fixed.
Vonter
AidanAK47 I can't get into Fate since like with Nanoha there's a lot of stuff with those names in it. Zero was the most straightforward, yet the buildup was very dragout but the payoffs where very worthy.
HelghastKillzone
testing message.
AidanAK47
This is what I get for updating the bloody plugin.....
AidanAK47
He finished it and was telling me what he thought of Saber defeating Gilgamesh. Minute he said that I was like "OH GOD..." He watched the Deen 2006 adaption. Sadly it loos like he's not going to bother watching UBW TV despite me showing him part of the berserker fight. With Fate/Extra, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Oath under the snow and all the rest this problem will happen again.
AidanAK47
You know I wish the Fate series did a better job naming it's series. I was introducing a newbie so I gave him Fate/Zero first. He loved it so I specifically told him to watch the UBW TV Series and don't mistake it for the movie. He then went and watched the movie. I told him to watch the TV series regardless and brought up the MAL page to show him which one.
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, there's definately no harm in doing further reading on more arthouse stuff before reviewing it/watching/after watching, it extends our understanding and is pretty much required.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Go for it, you might sell me on reading it.
Kaiser Eoghan
Yeah, I generally only write reviews every now and then, and they tend to be kept simple and to 200-300 words. My writing ability only really works when I write in stream of consciousness.
Anonymous855550
Zestiria is such a feast for the eyes... The colors and backgrounds are so vivid and magnificent. Story has improved on the game's weaknesses too!
Lenlo
Given enough time, im sure I could write something, but as I writer I tend towards quick, decisive statements of what I think and why. Engineer, so technical documents are like the only thing I know how to write.
Topgavin
@Supermario ah, I'd say I'm the opposite in that I sometimes don't know why I like something so much, and when I read a review about it I can relate my own experiences and put it in my own words pretty well. Can thank Highschool eco for that
SuperMario
But to tell you guys the truth, I never think that I'm cut out as a reviewer (even now), because I'm a type of viewer who more perceive (I know why I like/ don't like stuffs) than express (just can't never explain stuffs well)
SuperMario
@Topgavin: it's depending on what grabbing you really; as I always find shows with heavy symbolisms like Penguindrum or Flip Flappers the easiest to dig deeper. But those are always my kind of show to begin with
Topgavin
I'd find it really hard to write something about a show without reading about it first; watching it one time by myself I usually only notice the big things. Stuff like Flip Flappers I had no clue what half the episode's hidden meanings were, can't imagine reviewing a show like NGE or penguindrum.
SuperMario
that's exactly how I write my reviews anyways
Lenlo
I cant imagine writing a review, id just repeat myself with different words but the same intended meaning over and over again
AidanAK47
Wonder if I should write a review of this. Might be hard without giving too much away.
AidanAK47
(Finishes Sweetest monster Visual novel)
.....well....fuck.
(Buys all authors visual novels on steam.)
Lenlo
Sadly, I doubt Nioh will get a PC port. Sony is pretty stingy on their exclusives, like Bloodborne. But I am so very happy with Nioh. I love technical combat like this
Kaiser Eoghan
I suppose this means I'm looking into this rpg maker game thing now isn't it? Might aswell.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the word animerican used to describe things like avatar last airbender. Filthy word =P
Anonymous853606
God no. Jiro Taniguchi died.
AidanAK47
@Lenlo, I have been hearing very good things about Nioh. Really hoping it gets a PC port.
@Topgavin, No real surprises there.
Topgavin
I'm sure most of you have heard, but looks like New Game is getting a season 2 out of all things. Apparently they had good sales, and I can certainly see why. CGDCT with yuri undertones and clean animation is hard to get wrong, let alone not sell.
Lenlo
Just started with Nioh, and oh my goodness do I love it.
Anonymous852887
anyone play resident evil 7? its so good.
AidanAK47
Thought that's because the term American Anime just feels wrong to me on all levels.
AidanAK47
@Anon, they do not. They are cartoons.
Anonymous852775
DO people call D.C. Comics animated movies American anime?
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am certainly interested in seeing the next episode. Those minisodes were pretty good too. One thing I thought the writting faltered on though was the comedy. It really was a little too slapstick considering how serious the drama was.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: ah remind me the time I went to Texas (Corpus Christy) before X-mas time and I was wearing short pants and thongs (nice!!!), then went all the way up to Niagara Falls and I was almost freezing there.
Lenlo
See, I love winter, but its almost non-existent in Texas
Anonymous852268
@Aidan: I agree. I loved To the Moon. It's so good seeing emotional drama that isn't centered around high-school kids. Seeing the ups and downs of a whole long life of a person gives everything that happens way more impact.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: An Australian friend put it as "A sunbaked rock in summer, a giant zoo, that actively tries to kill its population"
SuperMario
Not that I'm enjoying the winter either. Why autumn always go so fast?
SuperMario
Believe me but summer here is way too much. When it's too hot and dry it starts bushfiring really badly. And it's too hot that even a big fan straight in front of you don't do you any good
Kaiser Eoghan
What is this mysterious creature known as summer you refer to? =P My country is grey as a black and white film =P
SuperMario
I'm wondering how freezing you guys have to endure right now, but the place I came today in Aussie just reached 50 degree celsius this noon. So hot I felt myself burning
Lenlo
I think the part I liked the most, was just how satisfying those mud splatter sounds were. I dont know why, but its in my head
HelghastKillzone
Youjo Senki 6 subs came out at 11pm PST.
Lenlo
Atleast Rakugo didnt get held up. Still amazing as ever
AidanAK47
Well I spent my time waiting for it to come out by playing and finishing To the Moon. Got to say, it takes some real skill to make a game in RPGmaker that can make you really feel something. But maybe I am just a sucker for this kind of story.
SuperMario
Hey, I would be very frustrating if Hand shakers got delayed. But I agree this delay is caused by Being X. And Scum's Wish, haizzz, this is the show we love to get pissed at. Haha
Anonymous850298
I blame Being X.
AidanAK47
Sigh, Youjo Senki 6 is delayed. Why is it always the best shows that get delayed? If an episode of hand Shakers was delayed no one would give a crap but nope. Gotta be the show you want to watch right away.
AidanAK47
@Anon, in both anime and manga I never liked that character much.
Anonymous849783
Meh, dropped Masamune-kun. Seriously why do they always have to shove in these one dimensional characters with a crush out of f* nowhere. It never made any of these shows more interesting, it's always the opposite.
Vonter
@Kaiser Eoghan - I find it weird having the teacher being so unashamedly evil. In a way I like that, but at the same time I can't relate to the notion of people like that existing IRL.
Kaiser Eoghan
As I continue to watch scums wish, it becomes an anger inducing as much as it is engrossing experience.
AidanAK47
Or the UBW movie over the TV series. You just don't do that.
AidanAK47
That's like recommending someone to watch NGE death and rebirth instead of the TV series.
Kaiser Eoghan
Meh, I just got fed up with the padding in the tv version.
AidanAK47
Jojo has the kind of entertainment that clicks with you or doesn't so I understand if you didn't get into it. Though to give it a fair chance I would recommend trying the first episodes of Battle Tendency. It starts at episode 10 of the first season, you can jump to it. If that doesn't catch you then Jojos really isn't for you.
AidanAK47
Don't listen to Kaiser. The OVA is bad.
Kaiser Eoghan
....found out where a friend had been off to lately, making a movie and he ended up actually making and finishing and I got first dibs. Had a hard time commenting on it as I know the guy personally.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Totally with you on the academy thing.
@Lenlo: If you ever try jojo again and get onto part three go for the ova instead as it trims down an overly bloated arc.
Lenlo
For JoJos, I couldnt get through the first season. It just didnt hook me
Lenlo
What I dont understand is how anything other than Mob Psycho won best animation, cause my god.
Lenlo
I think Erased lost not because of the libido, but because Yuri was "gay" and "progressive" and most important of all, recent. Yuri had just finished airing so it was stuck in everyones heads. Of course it was going to win everything
AidanAK47
Erased truly deserved to win that category and it only lost because people voted with their libido instead of their head.
AidanAK47
If there's one thing that really makes me angry about these awards it's Yuri on Ice winning most heartwarming moment for "The Kiss". Because A) It wasn't a fucking kiss and B) Even if it was that isn't heartwarming. Oh I am sure something is getting warm but it sure as hell isn't your heart.
AidanAK47
Likely the main reason Kira didn't win main villain because Jojo has grown to a episode count which makes people hesitant to pick it up. Not to mention many would lose interest by Stardust crusaders midpoint.
AidanAK47
When it comes to judging quality you have to leave it to the people who have experienced enough of the medium to truly be able to critical judge it. Pretty darn sure most who voted didn't even bother watching everything worthwhile each season and just gravitated towards whatever they were exposed to.
AidanAK47
Lets not forget someone voting multiple times and bot voting. Because yes, people really do that. As you two pointed out, a public vote was never truly going to be a accurate gauge of quality. For you are not only opening the vote to anime lovers but also newbies and those who simply haven't refined their tastes yet.
SuperMario
so they either abstained their votes (which actually was reasonable); voted for something popular or even voted based on what their kids liked the most (which was flat out unforgivable).
SuperMario
This from my own frustration mostly when it comes to awards like this. But I've been following the Academy Awards for way too long now and every now and then you heard something that really disheartened about their voting process. Like for example many of the Academy members admitted that they don't care to watch anything animated because... it's kiddy stuff
SuperMario
TL;DR: my point is I have mixed feeling about the whole Crunchyroll awards. One more thing that I noticed about the nomination is that the pool was dominated by shows from the first half of last year.
Lenlo
I dont think public voting is the way to go is the thing. Popularity contests are horrible. With popularity contests moe is going to be near the top every time, while shows like Rakugo never really have a chance. And I think there is little doubt that Rakugo was one of the best shows last season
SuperMario
@Lenlo: there is an issue with the first thou, because reviewers like us don't actually represent the whole public opinions. So it's all come down to the very reason they create an award in a 1st place (your second point). But with voting we can't really reason why the winners win the trophy, right?
Lenlo
The problem with awards like that is for them to mean anything they need 2 things. 1) A board of voters who are actual reviewers who have watched a large portion of what was on shelf that season. 2) Reasons for why each thing won its award. An award without reasons means nothing
SuperMario
Other issue about voting for these awards is that the nominating body and the voting body aren't always the same. Usually the voting body is broader and more generic in taste, so I'm not at all surprised when shows like Rakugo couldn't win. Too art-house for their liking. Well, at least it got nominated which for me is good enough.
SuperMario
That's the thing. When it comes to awards, they are more 'popularity' contest than actual quality, since people tend to vote for the safer choice (the one that are both popular and mildly critical success), YOI fits the bill here.
Lenlo
Those awards were not the best and little more then a popularity contest imo.
SuperMario
Actually with that line-up I had no problems with YOI taking the top spot
SuperMario
I actually forgot about the Crunchyroll Anime Awards so I came to check the winner. Guess which show won AOTY huh? Alright, at least it wasn't Kabaneri or Jokers Game
Kaiser Eoghan
But the best one was Mask of Phantasm.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: And return of the joker also.
Kaiser Eoghan
It has aged admittedly very poorly, but I always got a great kick out of that old 1994 spiderman cartoon.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I think its fair to use the term K-anime or C-anime for the Korean and Chinese influenced stuff, or maybe just anime would be just as appropriate. If some Argentinian guy can write/draw a manga for a Japanese manga magazine (big comic superior thats the magazines name) and have it actually be called a manga, it should be the same for China/Korea.
Lenlo
Mhmm. Marvel had the movies, but DC had the animated series
AidanAK47
Man, I loved the villains of Batman Beyond. Inque and Shriek had such interesting powers. The DC animated shows tended to be the one that didn't treat you like a kid while watching.
Lenlo
Well, they released a trailer for Samurai Jack S5, so its coming. Batman Beyond I also enjoyed
AidanAK47
Ah Samurai Jack. Wonder how that Adult swim revival is going? Batman the Animated Series as well didn't need Batman to crack off jokes every minute to be great.
Lenlo
Agreed. Samurai Jack was one of my favorite cartoons for that very reason. It ran the gamut of genres, each episode being something different.
Also I used Nichijou cause it was the first to come to my mind as a "Kids Show", though Love-Ru works as well
AidanAK47
One thing I think Cartoons could do to move away from the stigma of being for kids is having more genres than Comedy and Action adventure. Or at least stop putting comedy in everything.
AidanAK47
@Anon, Every fanbase has it's fanatics. There are idiots everywhere.
@Lenlo, I thought this might come up though I was expecting more of "placing Berserk and To Love-Ru in the same category" thing. Honestly I don't have a rebuttal for that. What is an isn't anime is really a matter of what anime is to you.
Lenlo
Now Aidan, you say putting Berserk and Scoopy doo in the same category is wrong, but what about Berserk and say.. Nichijou? A similar problem comes up and I think thats more to do with Berserk being a pretty major outlier (And I love it for being so. Have all the original Dark Horse volumes on my shelf)
Lenlo
Really though, reading Reddit arguments about it is so much fun.
Lenlo
I do think that recently, a number of shows have been trying to move cartoon, and animation in general in the west, away from meaning "For Kids".
Lenlo
Im not sure sure about that Anon, look at the Steven Universe and MLP fanbases.
Anonymous840067
Aidan, that isn't true... Anime has a 'special' name because it's fan base is a lot more fanatical than the cartoon fan base.
AidanAK47
Though I think the whole "Its not for kids" is the main push. Looking at my anime collection the majority is rated 15 with a few 12s. It's like the way you have Young Adult and mature, Comic books and graphic novels, or Visual novels and Eroge. They are essentially the same thing but appeal to different audiences.
AidanAK47
Though I think what really pushes this argument is that the term anime at least has a badge of honor. You don't see people demanding a show to be called a cartoon.
AidanAK47
Honestly the term anime is just a distinction to separate it from the more kiddy stuff. The term cartoon in the western world is too ingrained with the likes of Hanna Barbera or loony toons. No matter how you put it, putting Scooby Doo and Berserk in the same category is just wrong.
SuperMario
Then would you consider Korean, Chinese anime-influenced shows as anime? (I would) and those anime that aimed for Western audience (like Animatrix) as anime? (I would too)
SuperMario
But then we have something like Thunderbolt Fantasy lasy year which if I go for this defination (style) then it isn't anime at all, yet I would categorize it as anime
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