Posted by psgels on 23 June 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews, Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae o Boku-Tachi wa Mada Shiranai




Moe in Noitamina. It was a risk. Especially after how Fractale screwed up so badly, seeing A-1 try again in a timeslot whose audience has always been at older audiences with the same teenagers that anime is filled with… I definitely had some doubts right before this series started. And then Ano Hana aired and turned out one of the best written shows of the season.

Ever heard of the phrase “short but sweet”? This is the key to the best Noitamina-series out there: most of them can only be eleven or twelve episodes long, so they really need to know how to use their time, and this series is a brilliant example of how this timeslot should be used. It leaves no moment wasted, it never drags, and it’s always developing its characters, delivering heavy drama, and moving back and forth between showing new things about its characters and fleshing them out.

The show follows six teenagers as they deal with their pasts. All six of them end up as well rounded characters, with their strenghts and flaws: one is an airhead, another is an asshole, another is socially awkward. This series juggles all of them together brilliantly. The acting is excellent and this show is even able to breathe life into the side characters of this series.

Now, this is the kind of series where the characters write the plot. If you like series that have a complex storyline, you don’t need to go for this series: this is just a coming of age drama, but it’s amongst the best I’ve seen. It is very dramatic though: this series really pushes to get as much drama into 11 episodes as possible without making itself shallow: all of the drama here is meaningful and brings out the best of the characters, but if you like series with more restrained and composed acting, you might want to look elsewhere.

If you are looking for an emotional roller coaster however: watch this. Few series can boast to be this well laid out, especially when so small. Everything fits just perfectly. I’m not a fan of moe, but this show is so good that it immediately won me over.

Storytelling: 9/10 – Brilliant at juggling around its drama, never leaves a moment wasted, although the drama can get a little heavy-handed for some.
Characters: 10/10 – A complete tear-jerker; wonderfully rounded characters that play off each other amazingly.
Production-Values: 9/10 – No still frames, no recycled scenes, fluid animation, detailed art, excellent soundtrack. An overall job really well done in every aspect.
Setting: 9/10 – A soothing village back in a forest. Down to earth.

Suggestions:
Asatte no Houkou
Clannad After Story
True Tears

50 Responses

  1. Wandering Bunny says:

    That scoring… I am disappoint.
    I still regard ths series as the most overrated piece of BS this season.

    • Hades says:

      Thank God I’m not the only one that thinks this is highly overrated, I found the drama to be way too forced. i can’t believe this has the same score as LoGH. Unnaceptable.

      Usagi Drop and Penguindrum are great, not this ¬¬

      • Exactly says:

        Yeah; it’s ridiculous that this has the same score as LoGH. I personally regard LoGH as one of the best animes ever, and while fully taking the fact that the two animes are from completely different genres, I am still unable to accept that they have the same score. Like what?! Psgels, you just —

        I usually regard your opinion very highly but I really have to disagreed with you on this account. Ano Hana is a piece of overrated BS.

  2. fuckwanderingbunny says:

    well fuck you wandering bunny

  3. Hogart says:

    A surprisingly solid show. Probably not for those who can’t stand forced drama, but even I managed to consistently enjoy it, and I’m a crusty old fart who generally hates forced drama with a passion.

    It’s not a feel-good healing anime. The cast members tend to be both likable and repugnant. A lot of viewers seemed to just give up and latch onto their favorite character mid-way, even if they were just as reprehensible as the others.

    AnoHana does fall into the “no one asks the most basic questions” trap, but at least does a good job portraying the fears and spite that go into consciously leaving those questions unasked, so it doesn’t feel as trite or tiresome as it easily could have.

  4. m says:

    There are a lot of ways that a teen melodrama can fail miserably, and I think this show really deserves some praise for avoiding them. I suspect that it benefited from them first deciding on the story then building the characters in such a way as to tell it. The characters will do some really outrageous things, but before they do them the show will have deflated the obvious criticisms; whether an action is ridiculous or not, it will fit the character when the event happens.

    It’s a lot like an animated take on a Japanese television drama, only not terrible. I can really see how this would appeal to a broader audience, and since that is supposed to be part of the Nointamina mission, I’d say it’s a good example. I wouldn’t always want to watch this kind of show, but I think a good take away from its financial success might be for future original Noitamina series to (1) write a scenario that when you read it afterward, makes sense (2) express characters’ feelings through body language (3) focus on human problems that a general audience can relate to.

  5. garfield15 says:

    Show was solid, but I think a >90 score is very kind for this show

  6. Jsl273 says:

    Yeah, I agree it’s a very generous score. I think the lack of really good series this season led to it.

  7. EXM says:

    Well, in terms of anime, I can’t really think of anything that has put me through as much of a ride as this one. The storytelling was definitely heavy-handed at times, but in terms of presentation, it was flawlessly executed, so I think it deserved higher than 90 for sure.

  8. Aikun2012 says:

    Definitely deserved a 90+ score. The characters were well developed and well defined. I don’t see how anyone could NOT like this!! The emotions were masterfully flowing in a minuet of sweet perfection and sophistication. Each scene had this sense of human empathy and care, what more could you ask for in a modern drama??? I say either a 92.5 or a 95.0… It totally reminds me of Toradora and Clannad Afterstory (those were masterpieces by the way).

  9. Joshua says:

    I would have given Anohana a 95. This is hands down the best anime of the season. Heck, it might even be the best we’ll get this year.
    Every single character is flawed in their own ways and this is one of the few shows where I actually like all of them. The animation is consistently good and love the soundtrack to bits too. Bravo Bravo!

  10. Tarsio says:

    I really love this anime. It’s impossible not to cry. See Jintan running to find Menma in the end, I thought my heart would stop.

  11. ShyBlue says:

    I just noticed something about this show, which really stuck out kinda badly in the last episode for me. The script is kinda…cheesy and…melodramatic, isn’t it? It’s usually the VAs that do an amazing job and make it stick out less but…I don’t know, I love Anohana, but the last episode kinda…eh. :/ I would have given it an 85 or so.

  12. Alec says:

    @wandering bunny: I agree it’s somewhat overrated, but it’s definitely not BS.

    You know what? screw the talk about overrated, it’s definitely not heading anywhere

  13. Denizen says:

    I’d give it a 9/10, if even only barely. It had a certain something that really made it stand out from other shows of its kind, that really drew you in and appreciate the characters as realistic people.

    It was simple but so well done, it deserves most of the merit it gets.

  14. Nutcase says:

    Definitely one of the best animes this season. This series could have derailed at any single moment due to its short length but A-1 made sure it never jumped the track.

    However, I have been constantly bothered by the ridiculous love hexagon or whatever it was that involved most if not all of the main characters. Is it really possible for the kids in age 7 or 8 to develop such serious romantic crushes on each other that they can only be described as being in love sick at such an early age? In that sense, I think this anime was built upon a really weak and unconvincing premise. In addition, the series could have really used one or two more episodes because even by the end, Poppo and Tsuruko still felt underdeveloped.

  15. Arisu says:

    This anime is sure to be one of the best of the year, the best of the season. I wish that it didn’t have to end. I hope that there will be a movie in the future. XD

    As for the score I think Ano Hana is fully deserving of it.

  16. MoonPig says:

    Albeit an anime in the good books, I feel this show has been overrated. I disliked Menma (boring)…actually I disliked all of the characters save for Anjou. I never cried, felt emotional or related to it but that just goes down to personal callousness. However, in all, I can see why people would like this that’s why I’d score this 80

  17. tomphile says:

    I agree with Moonpig, this show might be overrated a little bit. While it’s good, it’s nowhere near as good as something like Clannad.

    Nevertheless, it was solid and I don’t think it could have ended in a better way at the moment. It was paced just right. It wasn’t amazing by any stretch of the imagination, but I think that this is going to be a show that anybody can watch without leaving their chair.

  18. Impsndcnma says:

    Count me in as someone who wouldn’t rate it as high. It’s easily the best show of the season it’s more like an 85. I never cried while watching it and while I’ll miss the characters I don’t have that feeling of sorry that it’s over that I get with the very best shows. I’d still recommended it to anyone who enjoys the medium it’s just not a top-tier title.

  19. RUSERIOUS says:

    What clannad? nahh give me a break for a show that have lots of episodes vs a mere 11 episodes.. haha I’ll just laugh at that, to be precise I didn’t liked Clannad wherein a girl that will be put on a spotlight at a certain episodes will became only a side character on the main storyline feels like kinda stupid… It’s like a disposable items ~_~… Anohana focuses the spotlight not just around Jinta and Menma but the whole group and they have done it splendidly on a mere “11 episodes” not 40+ *sigh*

    Hands down for the high score it really deserved it, full of emotions and development… Never have a comment on the Production Quality since they did it nicely…

    Best of the season if not best of this year…

  20. mulligan says:

    We need more series like this one. It doesn’t have to be a tearjerker, or a heartstring-strummer, but series that tell a well thought-out, honest message. Moe, fan-service, whatever – if you have to put them in, fine put them in. Ratings, sponsorships, DVD sales are what ultimately fuels the industry at the end of the day, we get that. But genuine, conscientious scriptwriting like this will always steal the show, and win a much longer-lasting fanbase.

    I hope the industry is paying attention to their audiences. Thanks for all your reviews on this show btw psgels.

  21. Pandadog says:

    Wandering Bunny and Fuckyouwanderingbunny are the same person? you witty person.

  22. Dale says:

    Let’s see.. Again, people here are arguing about the score, as is with every other thing that is scored be it games, movies, tv series and other stuff… Personally I wouldn’t care for the score, except that it leads to vague comparisons to other series. (Actually it’s gotten to a point that I rarely look at the score when reading reviews especially aggregated scores like in RT or metacritic).

    What’s more important in this review is the content and I pretty much agree with it. This season, few shows have managed to be this emotional. Some of it feels forced but despite that, it’s still effective. Perhaps the one real and somewhat dealbreaking flaw in this series is the realism. It isn’t realistic at all and I wager some of the viewers will hate it for that. But I for one love that they just threw logic and realism out the window the same way Tokyo Magnitude 8 did.. It’s more imaginative and creative that way..

  23. Frost says:

    Agree with the overrated comments… In fact I dropped this on ep 4 lol cant stand the main girl… annoying as hell, and Im tired of “retard” types… Steins;Gate already gives me my weekly dose of retard girl with Mayuri

    Ill try to pick it up eventually but there is no way this is worth 92,5… Kuragehime was way better and didnt even get 90 /I am disappoint

  24. Jo says:

    This rating is worth it.
    End of story.

  25. fedek says:

    I find the series, really overrated.

    But is a excellent series, probably deserves a 8/10.

    Good review psgels. I agree with you.

    But I simply can`t rate slice of life more than 8.
    For slice of life, i have a real life.

  26. Topspin says:

    If people can rate whinging melodramas like Clannad, Madoka, or Angel Beats so highly, then there’s no reason this should be any lower.

    It may be overly dramatic, it may feature “dumb kids”, but that’s anime drama for you.

    Bottom line is that it’s still a solid drama, uses it’s time well, and people who like that sort of show should truly enjoy it.

    It’s good enough so that even people who don’t, like me, can still truly enjoy it.

    Which is more than I can say for the vast majority of anime drama.

  27. Son Gohan says:

    I would rate AnoHana as a 85/100. It’s a very good show but it lacks something to be called a masterpiece. I felt that many times the author tried too hard to make us cry. Particularly in the last episode I thought that the scene where everyone was crying and shouting and pouring their hearts out was a bit unrealistic.
    Still the best show of the season. Not the best of the year though, I still think that Madoka is superior.

  28. Hades says:

    @fedek

    Totally agrre with you specially at the part:

    “But I simply can`t rate slice of life more than 8.
    For slice of life, i have a real life. ” Spot on

  29. Taara535 says:

    @Son Gohan. Madoka was certainly more original (what other series has made fighting magical monsters in a superhero show like being a GI in the Vietnam War?!)

    Still, I think AnoHana was a bit better executed, and that alone deserves tons of praise. I am very surprised at all of the negative comments here. If you like slice of life, this was a masterpiece.

    And guess what, if you don’t like slice of life shows, don’t watch them and then complain about a good review from a reviewer who openly says he likes slice of life.

  30. VyseLegend says:

    It was a decent show. But really not great in any way. I had a hard time feeling sympathy for any of the characters because of the magical premise of the whole action of the show, and because of how conceited and hypersentimental and spoiled they all appear to be.

    I would give the show a 7 I guess. Its just not something I’m going to recommend because it has no real real theme or message other than ‘don’t act as conceited as the spoiled characters in this show.’

  31. astrocurrent says:

    I think it is kind of amusing that you rate Ano Hana over H&C.

    Ano Hana is a decent show. It aims at empathy, to make one cry. And it succeeded. Applaud for that.

  32. Ishimaru says:

    Ano Hana was a brilliant show, but I don’t think it trumps H&C for me. I love it for the same reasons I love H&C, but damn was H&C good.

  33. Airi says:

    To be honest….when I read the description during the Spring line-up I purposefully ignored this one. I went out of my way to avoid it. That’s because….It was at the start of my last semester of High School. I just graduated last week. Right now..everything is changing. My friends are going away. My whole lifestyle has begun to change.

    And that’s why I watched the whole thing today. Because I needed to face that side of myself.

    I just finished watching the last one no less than 5 minutes ago and, let me say, I was bawling like a baby. I didn’t see those tears coming. I thought I could handle it but I couldn’t. What a great anime.

    So, thank you. Thank you for finally convincing me to grow up a little bit more today.

  34. Hunter-Wolf says:

    Brilliant show, i don’t understand how can anyone not like it unless they really have a dead heart or no taste in anime .. seriously.

    And Menma isn’t dumb .. she is a kid .. a 6 years old mind in the body of an 11-13 years old girl/ghost .. kindhearted .. maybe .. naive .. maybe .. but she is far from dumb .. it’s quite obvious.

    As for the score .. well .. i prefer the (Horrible/Bad/Good/Very Good/Excellent) rating system .. and without doubt AnoHana is one of the EXCELLENT shows out there in both the drama category and anime in general .. the music and songs are chosen to fit perfectly with the themes .. the animation is excellent for a Drama show and character designs and color palettes are lively and vibrant .. story is very well paced and has a strong impacting climax .. characters have depth and the show gives every one of them a chance to shine … .. oh .. and no disgusting fan-service, no pointless nudity, no dick jokes or boob groping or panty shots, no dumb cardboard characters … what’s not to like !!!!!

    And to all those going on with the (ewww, i have a classy taste this show is so overrated, it is way below my class, it’s for the tasteless brainless masses), (I didn’t feel anything, i didn’t cry, i’m a manly man) … thanks for nothing XD

    • Hades says:

      Ah ok, so the series you love is the best thing ever made and everyone who disagree with that have bad taste on anime huh. That’s basically what you’re saying here… really, grow up kid.

  35. MoonPig says:

    @Hunter-Wolf
    Clearly you have missed the general consensus of the comments stating that it was a good show definitely above the 80 mark. Can’t you tell the difference between being objective and subjective? BTW No one at all said that this show was “below” their class or was “for the tasteless brainless masses” so thank you for making such a banal statement.

    Oh, a shout out to the blogger – thanks for all the great reviews you’ve been doing!

  36. Tc says:

    I believe this show was simply fantastic. I was able to relate with each and every character, feeling their joy, anger, anguish, jeleousy, feeling their emotions on a level as if it was one of real life. for that alone it is one of the best of this season. He rated it perfectly and gave you examples of WHY he rated it where he did. Please reread the entire post before you fast forward to the score and then say it doesn’t deserve it.

  37. RaZ says:

    You know, i see alot of comments of people having negative comments of “the characters” pouring there hearts out in the last ep. Everyone seems to forget that, they’ve been holding the burden of somone they all love died, and blamed themselves for it. if thats not enough to get someone emotion al to that level, good chance your a lifeless rock.

  38. Tiggerknowsbest says:

    ah i just knew you would have liked it as much as i did psgels, definetely the rating it deserved.

    Every character in this show should be an example for any slice of life series to come. Anohana took the time to completely discover each and every character (poppo could have had a bit more time cause he was hilarious).

    definitely the standout series of the season for me.

  39. Tiggerknowsbest says:

    ah i just knew you would have liked it as much as i did psgels, definetely the rating it deserved.

    Every character in this show should be an example for any slice of life series to come. Anohana took the time to completely discover each and every character (poppo could have had a bit more time cause he was hilarious).

    definitely the standout series of the season for me.

  40. AKI says:

    I would have rated it higher. Manly tears, man, manly tears. Honey and Clover did not make me cry, Ano Hana did.

  41. mds says:

    I agreed that this is a fantastic show..with exceptional characters,but let me get to the point…a “9” in setting? Is the setting explored that much? This is a series about the characters,right? Psgels,I think you should be more objective about this.

  42. charizardpal says:

    Madoka had a better ending but started lame. Anohana started well but had a lame ending.

  43. summerberries says:

    I am okay with it, but it is not that awesome.
    Too much unnecessary drama specially when someone died ages ago. The story doesn’t need a lot of thinking but just stirring your emotion. Unrealistic overly emotional. For heart wrencher lovers.

    Too much attention on Menma. They made Menma sounds like a living goddess. The most perfect girl that no one can compare. Menma personality also annoys me, acting all cute and innocence -> the usual anime cliche. It may sound mean, but I didn’t cry. I was looking forward for the girl to go heaven

  44. rly? says:

    In my opinion, this series is definitely overrated. It’s a great, pleasant story to watch. However, following the standards set by your other reviews, this one should not have been rated above 90/100. Not that it wasn’t good enough, it’s just that some better series have received lower ratings. Maybe you really have enjoyed it that much, but for me it feels a bit unfair to the other ones.

  45. zzzdrama says:

    Idk why there are so many positive reviews of this. Personally, I felt like all of story could have been compressed to one or two episodes and gotten pretty much everything covered.

    SPOILER ALERT*****
    Did they REALLY have to show the same scene of menma’s shoe or whatever a zillion times over? And instead of feeding the same scenes over and over again like in the clubhouse and having them all sit around, showing it again and again and again really got on my nerves. They should have given us more background instead of just repeating things over and over again -_- Like WHY is menma really this amazing person that everyone loves still after years?? BACKGROUND PLEASE.<<
    Maybe if they actually didn't keep repeating the same scenes over and over again and gave us enough background to actually like menma, I might change my mind about this anime, but as of now, this is one of my least favorite animes of all time.
    Also, having menma be a ghost that only the main character can see and who can somehow move objects and write in a diary is really…….let's just say that part irked me a lot as well.
    In addition, the emotional part was so forced IMO that I was just like "….seriously??" after like the 20 millionth time seeing them cry -_- I know "conventional" drama has a lot of the elements Ano Hana has, and seeing that a very large proportion of the population love watching drama, that is probably why there are so many people who love it. I personally do not like this kind of drama, but to each their own. The storyline and characters sucked, and since that is pretty much what I look for in an anime, I personally rate it a 2/10 just for the okay animation. And no, I am not some "heartless fiend" or w/e, I am somewhat of a crybaby when it comes to some drama, but when it comes to this kind of forced drama…I was honestly laughing early-midway into the anime -_-

  46. Jedman says:

    I enjoyed this show, it was well made and has good character development. But the over the top drama and crying put me off, made it so I couldn’t get emotionally as into the show as I would have liked myself.

    It’ like there trying so hard to make it emotional that it becomes annoying. it’s too try hard.

    Some of it was very over the top and forced, if it was a bit more subtle I think it would have been much better for it.

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will be seeing what kind of flaws Ash has. Also, I think this way of characterizing him also fits into the narrative. This strength that Ash has is what pushes his gang members away and see him not as a normal human, but a "king."
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That was some interesting insight on Ash as a "perfect" person. While I do think that Banana Fish shows that Ash is an extremely capable person time and time again, he cannot win this "war" alone. There's too many enemies and too many things that need to be done. Also, I think as we get further on into the second cour, we
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Also, it's neat watching the first few episodes again after what goes down throughout the first half of the series; you get to see all of the characters together before everything blows up in their face.
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When I say perfect characterization, I should say I mean the way he's characterized as this perfect supremely capable person. The other characters do help reveal other aspects of Ash though: Eiji is his age and allows him to be a normal teenager; Max is like a surrogate father and lets him act like a son; Arthur and Dino are kind of evil inverses of that.
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When I say perfect charac
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Anyways, not to hate on Ash because he's still a fantastic main lead and anchors the whole show. It's just that because he loses sometimes I push some of the problems of his perfect characterization to the side, but when you actually think about it, he seems more like a character than a real person.
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Also the fact that Ash has been through a super tragic backstory doesn't help a lot: it seems like the writers are trying to make him a character who has been through all the tragedy in the world and has overcome it and became the most skilled person in the world. I will say though that any onscreen tragedy is 100% believable, it just some of the flashbacks that are a bit too much.
Anonymous2822162
I guess that slightly cheapens Ash's character on retrospection: of course he is still the charismatic lead, but he feels a bit too perfect at everything. Dino must have taught him quite a bit, but Ash is skilled in, like, everything. It just seems a bit too much.
Anonymous2822162
Like the whole Yut-Lung Shorter Eiji situation was beyond Ash (in fact he still knew something was off but couldn't pinpoint what); that wasn't really a mistake Ash made, it was just that he couldn't have known the secret connections Yut-Lung had.
Anonymous2822162
Something I noticed about Ash is that he is, as some of you pointed out, a Gary Stu but it doesn't immediately jump at you. The thing is that Ash still loses quite a bit, so he doesn't seem invincible, yet at the same I think the majority of his losses were beyond his control. It doesn't feel like he makes mistakes, rather that other people outmaneuver him due to factors beyond him.
Animosh
@Kaiser & Amagi: I also had lots of political discussions with my father. Didn't know that was such a common occurrence. Boys will be boys I guess? And he's actually a former Marxist too, having grown up in the 60's-70's and all. Now he's just a boring socialist though. ;)
Animosh
RErideD seemed really promising in theory: an original time travel anime written (at least in part) by Abe, with the director of Steins;Gate in charge? Count me in. But unfortunately the reviews so far seem to be uniformly negative. So I'll probably avoid it for now.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Four episodes of RErideD: Tokigoe no Derrida got uploaded at the same time earlier.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Yes, although probably just for the Saturday, usually the best day to do so because thats when the sellers are there, usually everythings gone by Sunday. Friday is generally anime pub quiz.
Lenlo
Its just a saturday, so busy. And Kaiser, nice. Gonna go to the con at all?
Lenlo
As a writer for it, I dont believe so?
Anonymous2818178
is this site dead?
Kaiser-Eoghan
There is an animecon here in two weeks. That eyepatchwolf youtuber will be there.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I still have old single issues of fushigi yugi, inuyasha, Ah my Goddess, narutaru laid around.
Kaiser-Eoghan
They used to realease them like single American comic book issues in the west.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm not talking bound volumes but actual 20-30 pages chapters and these would be expensive.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Who remembers RENTING anime dvds and RENTING videogames? Does anyone else remember buying each individual manga chapter as they came out when the official English translations rolled around?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Anyone willing to post their desktop? https://ibb.co/buc4Zz
Kaiser-Eoghan
Or things like Mischief makers .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know vonter mentioned Mystical ninja 64. But I remember after I'd moved on from the snes to the N64 when I was younger, growing up with that obscure castlevania game on it, or stuff like those 3D bomberman games no-one cared about. Or obscure stuff like body harvest, jet force gemini, blast corps , turok, quest 64 and shadowman.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I love coming across those online lists of literally WHOtier, WHOcares , games literally only YOU liked and heard of/played. Makes me feel less alone.
Amagi
I was also always discussing about politics with my father. Whenever we started with this my mother just said "porca putana" and went into another room to watch tv in peace.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animemosh: lol I have daily political discussion with my Marxist-Leninist father just like that =)
Kaiser-Eoghan
Oh I should state, even though I'm not as bothered by the modern setting, I actually do prefer the cold war narrative.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: The documentries name was Battle of Chile by Patricio Guzman.
Amagi
Especially since I don't think that the typical BF audience is of a kind that would lose interest because a series is taking place in the past. It was just written for the 80s, people can't just change that without changing the story itself to some degree.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: I thought the anime did such a good job with Shio's backstory , that I didn't miss what was omitted. The anime is now up to date with the scans. I do agree that Satou's obsession with Shio is non-pedophilic but I think the scene itself is kind of going to give the wrong message.
Amagi
@Animosh: one of the many reasons why I would have prefered Banana Fish's original setting.
Animosh
By the way, apparently the backstory of Shio's mother - which supposedly is really tragic - was largely skipped. Guess I'll have to read the manga.
Animosh
I get what they're going for, recreating the ritual and all, but I also thought the Shio-Satou moment was a bit forced. I still think their relationship is platonic though. Satou has never been shown to lust after Shio: she just fills her with warmth and happiness. They're more like messed up siblings than (romantic) lovers.
Animosh
@Kaiser: sounds interesting! Chile is an excellent example of the kind of Cold War intervention that I really don't see happening today. Although you never know with an impulsive narcissist in the White House.
Animosh
End of monologue. Sorry about this. :p
Animosh
Long story short: I think the Banana Fish conspiracies fail to adequately represent the current situation. At the very least, it fits the Cold War world order much better.
Animosh
That includes the US (backing the Kurds and the rebels), but also Turkey and the Arab states (Sunni rebels), Russia and Iran (Assad), and so on and so forth. You can't act like this is the fault of one party. Hell, I'd say Russia and Assad are more responsible for failing to a peaceful resolution when they had the chance.
Animosh
As for Syria, it's a mess, but the US is only one of many parties responsible. And oil isn't particularly important in this conflict. It's a civil war that's been made much worse by the influx of money and weapons from many different parties vying for regional influence.
Animosh
So what does it do? It gives military and financial backing to militias with shared interests (which is much less than Russia does, by the way), orders drone strikes, and perhaps the occasional tactical strike. But overthrowing countries and setting up puppet regimes? I don't see it happening. That's basically declaring war on the other big powers.
Animosh
And even when it does intervene militarily, it rarely goes all out. The US has learned from Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't want to be dragged into another endless conflict, or see its efforts end in another brutal civil war that destabilizes the region.
Animosh
So although the US occasionally still intervenes militarily in other countries' affairs, other means of pressure are now more popular. The sanctions against Iran and North Korea are a good example of this.
Animosh
The current landscape is much more complex. America is still powerful, of course, but relatively speaking it is in decline, and that means it can get away with much less. Today's world is closer to a multipolar world, with many sides fighting for influence. And because the ideological conflict is much less pronounced, the US is much less willing to go against its purported values.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: Coincidentally I recently watched a series of Chilean documentaries regarding the murder of Salvador Allende and the installation of the Pinochet Junta.
Animosh
And that meant both that America was far more powerful than it is now, and that much more intervention was considered acceptable - including shamelessly backing dictators that oppressed and exploited their people. After all, a defeat meant evil would prevail.
Animosh
Obviously the US still interferes in other countries. Quite a lot, actually. But there's a big difference between its current policy and that during the Cold War. Back then the geopolitical landscape was very different. It was bipolar, with two big Isms (capitalism and communism) fighting it out.
Animosh
@anon: not sure if this is the right place for a political discussion, but whatever. I like politics, so here we go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*was no exception
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: If, out of the many moments in happy sugar life that I'd consider unsettling, it would be the one's with the aunt and this weeks episode was an exception. That last part of the episode will be interpreted as shoujo-ai bait by people though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Looking forward to Angels of death next week, I think we're getting answers, glad to get answers on bad guy even if he is a simple villain.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Now this is an interesting coincidence as last night I just got done watching a documentary about cyberwarfare against Iran.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Thats alot more detailed than what I was going to say. I was just going to say that it reflects current foreign policy.
Anonymous2808488
however the current stalemate in Syria is a reflection of the intransigence of the monied elite to not let go of ill-gotten gains, constantly provoking conflict with Russia/Assad/Iran
Anonymous2808488
Its a documented fact the US/EU promoted the Arab Spring/ISIS rebellions and it was stopped by patriots with a conscience
Anonymous2808488
replace with the mexican cartels/Hezbollah, and oil money promised to Cheney-connected Genie enerrgy
Anonymous2808488
its a pretty accurate description of the current reality minus a couple silly things like the mafia and mind control drugs
Anonymous2808488
You guys realize this plot is unfolding in Syria just replace drugs with oil money
Lenlo
Its hokey in the now, but in the original context the series was written, the Cold War, I think it could fit really well.
Animosh
@Kaiser: what felt awkward to you? I thought the pumpkin stuff in particular was pretty hilarious. Eiji is an evil guy. :p
Animosh
Yeah, the conspiracy stuff feels a bit wacky in the present. But in the context of the Cold War, it makes perfect sense. The USA supported plenty of bloody coups after all, especially in Latin America. Hell, they even backed the Taliban in their war against Russia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In the future I want to make a bigger effort to follow MORE of whats being covered on here seasonally.
Kaiser-Eoghan
http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Red
https://manganelo.com/manga/red_naoki_yamamoto Two history manga, wonder if they'll be fully translated.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I imagine most will probably agree with you anon though. I have alien taste/opinions. I also love conspiracy stuff =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Originally, in the manga version of that part, it was attacking communism in south America.
Anonymous2805624
I don't know; I kinda find the whole Middle East stuff a bit hokey; maybe that's just me.
Lenlo
Im about to watch it. Looking forward to it
Kaiser-Eoghan
I know its only one line, but that they still mention skip and shorter, even its just their names, at least the show keeps them in mind.
Kaiser-Eoghan
With episode 12, Banana fish has successfully contemporized its political/cospiracy aspect for me . Eiji is semi-uselful. Humour in this episode for the first time feels awkward, fast pace kind of means that the quieter slower scenes , though I still enjoy them, feel slotted in.
Lenlo
Most of my emotions this week came because of the original and my love of it, not this one
Lenlo
I agree, Steins;Gate 0 had all the potential, and there are some specific episodes that realized it. Like this episode had a lot of touching scenes cause it slowed down to play up Okabe's relationship with Amadeus. But most of the time, it fails to reach that potential. So as a whole it just feels... lacking
Kaiser-Eoghan
Plebs, not combining both into a single dessert.
Anonymous2802297
I'm talking about that sweet saccharine Chocolate Mousse, the Ganache, or the Chocolate Gâteau. Your puny muffin stands no chance. Mwahaha!
Anonymous2802297
Blasphemy. As a proud American, I can't stand for anything less than pure unadulterated diabetes-inducing sugar in chocolatey cake form. Anything less is an insult to my great nation. /s
SuperMario
@anon2801739: that's a nice analogy but I can't say I agree as I prefer chocolate muffin much more than chocolate cake :)))
Anonymous2801739
Steins;gate 0 is all potential but generally it's wasted. Whenever it actually seems promising they manage to jump plot points to boring nonsensical melodrama for a century. It was supposed to be a chocolate cake. Instead what we got was a muffin with tiny chocolate chips buried few and far between. Yeah it's still sweet at some points, but most of the time you're chewing through pointless fluff.
Lenlo
Like I said in my last post on it I think, the pacing is fucked
Animosh
I did like that the lab members finally acted like scientists again, methodically thinking through their options and all, and there were some pretty touching individual moments and nicely tied up ends. But mostly I'm just annoyed by all the unfulfilled potential of this show.
Animosh
I also hated the backtracking in the beginning. Don't make such a big deal of The Return if you're going to throw it out of the window in the next episode.
Animosh
I really don't understand Steins;Gate's pacing. It slows down to a trickle in the largely irrelevant middle part, and now that things are finally getting somewhat interesting again it just speeds through everything without building things up properly? I don't get it. And how on Earth are they going to resolve everything satisfactorily in one episode?
KTravlos
Reinhard (old series). Ash is interesting and depicted well, but not close to Reinhard. There is something noble in Reinhard, something beyond charisma.
Anonymous2797046
In a charisma battle between our two favorite Blond Boys (doing what blond boys do), who'd win: Reinhard or Ash?
Kaiser-Eoghan
Kind of felt this is what prelude penultimate episode/calm before the storm episode should be and I liked quite liked the ginko and souya scene, but I'm still eh, I shrug at this.
Vonter
After watching some more Star vs. the forces of evil. I'm getting Jitsu wa Watashi wa vibes. The Sailor Moon-like character episode was cute.
Kaiser-Eoghan
The bullying arc in sangatsu made me want to shootup the school.
Lenlo
I will admit, the family life stuff is less engaging than the crippling depression, but I dont think that would hit as hard with out the relaxing bits in between. Dont want to overload the audience.
Anonymous2791561
3-gatsu no Lion has its ups and downs; its ups are the intense emotional drama or shogi matches, while it's downs are the more relaxed slice of life food porn stuff. When I say up and down, I don't necessarily mean good and bad, just more about the intensity. I personally found that I could enjoy both styles, but sometimes I'd find the slice of life stuff dragging on.
SuperMario
Well, I regard 3-gatsu as one of the best character-writing in this medium in recent years. As for shaft, I'm their fan but even me was worried when I learnt Shaft adapting this. They did a nice job thankfully
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though I was glad that the comedy becomes more reigned in later on.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I got used to the tonally discordant humour eventually, accepting that the show essentially exists in two plains.
Kaiser-Eoghan
In tsukiyomi moon phase Shinbo made some of the shots look like photos, which was cool given the protaganists profession. Their weird style also was a good fit for an oddball show like Zetsubou-sensei.
Lenlo
I just finished the 4th episode, and so far I am torn on Akari. Im still not sure what to make of some of these relationships. I love the permeated depression theme in every episode though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I wonder if it will get a third season.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I want Akari to be my mom.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm only 9 out of 13 volumes adapted, which means the anime hasn't adapted the best bit.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Unfortunate that the sangatsu manga doesn't update often.
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I haven't seen it, I heard that vocaloid thing shaft adapted was very poorly suited to their style.
Lenlo
If a drama can actually make me feel something, actual emotions, then its a success. But it takes a pretty good, well made drama to do that.
Lenlo
I am very particular about my Drama'
Lenlo
Im planning on burning through the whole thing in the next few days. Maybe then ill try the manga, since there is probably more
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I didn't think your lie in April or sangatsu would actually be your thing. They're very drama-ey.
Lenlo
Basically im with Kaiser on this one. As for Shaft, I am very show by show with them. I couldnt stand Nisekoi, yet Sangatsu's color palette and way of drawing faces really has me
Lenlo
See, so far it has a very Mushishi/Fune wo Amu/Your Lie in April feel to me. I love these kinds of things animated, because I feel the music and color-choices really help set things in the mood.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Mario@Lenlo: We can be Kanabros for life all three of us ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
But in general I do think shafts style lends itself at its best to more comedic work.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I actually felt that shafts style elevated their adaptation of Sangatsu. I find it easier to watch these slow paced shows than reading them. Also Kana Hanazawa.
SuperMario
Shaft's style can be a hit or miss with the audience, however. While I don't mind that, I still would recommend you try the manga instead
SuperMario
Oh, so you still have, like, 40 episodes left
Lenlo
Huh. Finally got around to March Comes in Like a Lion, gotta say. 3 episodes in, its pretty good
Kaiser-Eoghan
Speaking of it though, I wish they'd get that proposed new Vampire hunter D anime off the ground.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Though my memory on this is extremely fuzy.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Y'know, I saw an article there on anime news network referring to the second vampire hunter D film, I know I watched it years and years ago, loved it, but I forget the plot, thinking about it now, how was the dude D was after supposed to survive without blood after buggering off to space alone with the girl?
Anonymous2786239
Amen to that
Anonymous2785164
I read blogs to see opinions on anime, not to read about how blog writer is much better than some youtuber I probably have never heard of :D
Anonymous2785164
Anyway, don't any of you guys let that get up to your head :p I'm also annoyed whenever media producers start mocking each other and setting themselves up as better.
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