Posted by psgels on 23 June 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews, Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae o Boku-Tachi wa Mada Shiranai




Moe in Noitamina. It was a risk. Especially after how Fractale screwed up so badly, seeing A-1 try again in a timeslot whose audience has always been at older audiences with the same teenagers that anime is filled with… I definitely had some doubts right before this series started. And then Ano Hana aired and turned out one of the best written shows of the season.

Ever heard of the phrase “short but sweet”? This is the key to the best Noitamina-series out there: most of them can only be eleven or twelve episodes long, so they really need to know how to use their time, and this series is a brilliant example of how this timeslot should be used. It leaves no moment wasted, it never drags, and it’s always developing its characters, delivering heavy drama, and moving back and forth between showing new things about its characters and fleshing them out.

The show follows six teenagers as they deal with their pasts. All six of them end up as well rounded characters, with their strenghts and flaws: one is an airhead, another is an asshole, another is socially awkward. This series juggles all of them together brilliantly. The acting is excellent and this show is even able to breathe life into the side characters of this series.

Now, this is the kind of series where the characters write the plot. If you like series that have a complex storyline, you don’t need to go for this series: this is just a coming of age drama, but it’s amongst the best I’ve seen. It is very dramatic though: this series really pushes to get as much drama into 11 episodes as possible without making itself shallow: all of the drama here is meaningful and brings out the best of the characters, but if you like series with more restrained and composed acting, you might want to look elsewhere.

If you are looking for an emotional roller coaster however: watch this. Few series can boast to be this well laid out, especially when so small. Everything fits just perfectly. I’m not a fan of moe, but this show is so good that it immediately won me over.

Storytelling: 9/10 – Brilliant at juggling around its drama, never leaves a moment wasted, although the drama can get a little heavy-handed for some.
Characters: 10/10 – A complete tear-jerker; wonderfully rounded characters that play off each other amazingly.
Production-Values: 9/10 – No still frames, no recycled scenes, fluid animation, detailed art, excellent soundtrack. An overall job really well done in every aspect.
Setting: 9/10 – A soothing village back in a forest. Down to earth.

Suggestions:
Asatte no Houkou
Clannad After Story
True Tears

50 Responses

  1. Wandering Bunny says:

    That scoring… I am disappoint.
    I still regard ths series as the most overrated piece of BS this season.

    • Hades says:

      Thank God I’m not the only one that thinks this is highly overrated, I found the drama to be way too forced. i can’t believe this has the same score as LoGH. Unnaceptable.

      Usagi Drop and Penguindrum are great, not this ¬¬

      • Exactly says:

        Yeah; it’s ridiculous that this has the same score as LoGH. I personally regard LoGH as one of the best animes ever, and while fully taking the fact that the two animes are from completely different genres, I am still unable to accept that they have the same score. Like what?! Psgels, you just —

        I usually regard your opinion very highly but I really have to disagreed with you on this account. Ano Hana is a piece of overrated BS.

  2. fuckwanderingbunny says:

    well fuck you wandering bunny

  3. Hogart says:

    A surprisingly solid show. Probably not for those who can’t stand forced drama, but even I managed to consistently enjoy it, and I’m a crusty old fart who generally hates forced drama with a passion.

    It’s not a feel-good healing anime. The cast members tend to be both likable and repugnant. A lot of viewers seemed to just give up and latch onto their favorite character mid-way, even if they were just as reprehensible as the others.

    AnoHana does fall into the “no one asks the most basic questions” trap, but at least does a good job portraying the fears and spite that go into consciously leaving those questions unasked, so it doesn’t feel as trite or tiresome as it easily could have.

  4. m says:

    There are a lot of ways that a teen melodrama can fail miserably, and I think this show really deserves some praise for avoiding them. I suspect that it benefited from them first deciding on the story then building the characters in such a way as to tell it. The characters will do some really outrageous things, but before they do them the show will have deflated the obvious criticisms; whether an action is ridiculous or not, it will fit the character when the event happens.

    It’s a lot like an animated take on a Japanese television drama, only not terrible. I can really see how this would appeal to a broader audience, and since that is supposed to be part of the Nointamina mission, I’d say it’s a good example. I wouldn’t always want to watch this kind of show, but I think a good take away from its financial success might be for future original Noitamina series to (1) write a scenario that when you read it afterward, makes sense (2) express characters’ feelings through body language (3) focus on human problems that a general audience can relate to.

  5. garfield15 says:

    Show was solid, but I think a >90 score is very kind for this show

  6. Jsl273 says:

    Yeah, I agree it’s a very generous score. I think the lack of really good series this season led to it.

  7. EXM says:

    Well, in terms of anime, I can’t really think of anything that has put me through as much of a ride as this one. The storytelling was definitely heavy-handed at times, but in terms of presentation, it was flawlessly executed, so I think it deserved higher than 90 for sure.

  8. Aikun2012 says:

    Definitely deserved a 90+ score. The characters were well developed and well defined. I don’t see how anyone could NOT like this!! The emotions were masterfully flowing in a minuet of sweet perfection and sophistication. Each scene had this sense of human empathy and care, what more could you ask for in a modern drama??? I say either a 92.5 or a 95.0… It totally reminds me of Toradora and Clannad Afterstory (those were masterpieces by the way).

  9. Joshua says:

    I would have given Anohana a 95. This is hands down the best anime of the season. Heck, it might even be the best we’ll get this year.
    Every single character is flawed in their own ways and this is one of the few shows where I actually like all of them. The animation is consistently good and love the soundtrack to bits too. Bravo Bravo!

  10. Tarsio says:

    I really love this anime. It’s impossible not to cry. See Jintan running to find Menma in the end, I thought my heart would stop.

  11. ShyBlue says:

    I just noticed something about this show, which really stuck out kinda badly in the last episode for me. The script is kinda…cheesy and…melodramatic, isn’t it? It’s usually the VAs that do an amazing job and make it stick out less but…I don’t know, I love Anohana, but the last episode kinda…eh. :/ I would have given it an 85 or so.

  12. Alec says:

    @wandering bunny: I agree it’s somewhat overrated, but it’s definitely not BS.

    You know what? screw the talk about overrated, it’s definitely not heading anywhere

  13. Denizen says:

    I’d give it a 9/10, if even only barely. It had a certain something that really made it stand out from other shows of its kind, that really drew you in and appreciate the characters as realistic people.

    It was simple but so well done, it deserves most of the merit it gets.

  14. Nutcase says:

    Definitely one of the best animes this season. This series could have derailed at any single moment due to its short length but A-1 made sure it never jumped the track.

    However, I have been constantly bothered by the ridiculous love hexagon or whatever it was that involved most if not all of the main characters. Is it really possible for the kids in age 7 or 8 to develop such serious romantic crushes on each other that they can only be described as being in love sick at such an early age? In that sense, I think this anime was built upon a really weak and unconvincing premise. In addition, the series could have really used one or two more episodes because even by the end, Poppo and Tsuruko still felt underdeveloped.

  15. Arisu says:

    This anime is sure to be one of the best of the year, the best of the season. I wish that it didn’t have to end. I hope that there will be a movie in the future. XD

    As for the score I think Ano Hana is fully deserving of it.

  16. MoonPig says:

    Albeit an anime in the good books, I feel this show has been overrated. I disliked Menma (boring)…actually I disliked all of the characters save for Anjou. I never cried, felt emotional or related to it but that just goes down to personal callousness. However, in all, I can see why people would like this that’s why I’d score this 80

  17. tomphile says:

    I agree with Moonpig, this show might be overrated a little bit. While it’s good, it’s nowhere near as good as something like Clannad.

    Nevertheless, it was solid and I don’t think it could have ended in a better way at the moment. It was paced just right. It wasn’t amazing by any stretch of the imagination, but I think that this is going to be a show that anybody can watch without leaving their chair.

  18. Impsndcnma says:

    Count me in as someone who wouldn’t rate it as high. It’s easily the best show of the season it’s more like an 85. I never cried while watching it and while I’ll miss the characters I don’t have that feeling of sorry that it’s over that I get with the very best shows. I’d still recommended it to anyone who enjoys the medium it’s just not a top-tier title.

  19. RUSERIOUS says:

    What clannad? nahh give me a break for a show that have lots of episodes vs a mere 11 episodes.. haha I’ll just laugh at that, to be precise I didn’t liked Clannad wherein a girl that will be put on a spotlight at a certain episodes will became only a side character on the main storyline feels like kinda stupid… It’s like a disposable items ~_~… Anohana focuses the spotlight not just around Jinta and Menma but the whole group and they have done it splendidly on a mere “11 episodes” not 40+ *sigh*

    Hands down for the high score it really deserved it, full of emotions and development… Never have a comment on the Production Quality since they did it nicely…

    Best of the season if not best of this year…

  20. mulligan says:

    We need more series like this one. It doesn’t have to be a tearjerker, or a heartstring-strummer, but series that tell a well thought-out, honest message. Moe, fan-service, whatever – if you have to put them in, fine put them in. Ratings, sponsorships, DVD sales are what ultimately fuels the industry at the end of the day, we get that. But genuine, conscientious scriptwriting like this will always steal the show, and win a much longer-lasting fanbase.

    I hope the industry is paying attention to their audiences. Thanks for all your reviews on this show btw psgels.

  21. Pandadog says:

    Wandering Bunny and Fuckyouwanderingbunny are the same person? you witty person.

  22. Dale says:

    Let’s see.. Again, people here are arguing about the score, as is with every other thing that is scored be it games, movies, tv series and other stuff… Personally I wouldn’t care for the score, except that it leads to vague comparisons to other series. (Actually it’s gotten to a point that I rarely look at the score when reading reviews especially aggregated scores like in RT or metacritic).

    What’s more important in this review is the content and I pretty much agree with it. This season, few shows have managed to be this emotional. Some of it feels forced but despite that, it’s still effective. Perhaps the one real and somewhat dealbreaking flaw in this series is the realism. It isn’t realistic at all and I wager some of the viewers will hate it for that. But I for one love that they just threw logic and realism out the window the same way Tokyo Magnitude 8 did.. It’s more imaginative and creative that way..

  23. Frost says:

    Agree with the overrated comments… In fact I dropped this on ep 4 lol cant stand the main girl… annoying as hell, and Im tired of “retard” types… Steins;Gate already gives me my weekly dose of retard girl with Mayuri

    Ill try to pick it up eventually but there is no way this is worth 92,5… Kuragehime was way better and didnt even get 90 /I am disappoint

  24. Jo says:

    This rating is worth it.
    End of story.

  25. fedek says:

    I find the series, really overrated.

    But is a excellent series, probably deserves a 8/10.

    Good review psgels. I agree with you.

    But I simply can`t rate slice of life more than 8.
    For slice of life, i have a real life.

  26. Topspin says:

    If people can rate whinging melodramas like Clannad, Madoka, or Angel Beats so highly, then there’s no reason this should be any lower.

    It may be overly dramatic, it may feature “dumb kids”, but that’s anime drama for you.

    Bottom line is that it’s still a solid drama, uses it’s time well, and people who like that sort of show should truly enjoy it.

    It’s good enough so that even people who don’t, like me, can still truly enjoy it.

    Which is more than I can say for the vast majority of anime drama.

  27. Son Gohan says:

    I would rate AnoHana as a 85/100. It’s a very good show but it lacks something to be called a masterpiece. I felt that many times the author tried too hard to make us cry. Particularly in the last episode I thought that the scene where everyone was crying and shouting and pouring their hearts out was a bit unrealistic.
    Still the best show of the season. Not the best of the year though, I still think that Madoka is superior.

  28. Hades says:

    @fedek

    Totally agrre with you specially at the part:

    “But I simply can`t rate slice of life more than 8.
    For slice of life, i have a real life. ” Spot on

  29. Taara535 says:

    @Son Gohan. Madoka was certainly more original (what other series has made fighting magical monsters in a superhero show like being a GI in the Vietnam War?!)

    Still, I think AnoHana was a bit better executed, and that alone deserves tons of praise. I am very surprised at all of the negative comments here. If you like slice of life, this was a masterpiece.

    And guess what, if you don’t like slice of life shows, don’t watch them and then complain about a good review from a reviewer who openly says he likes slice of life.

  30. VyseLegend says:

    It was a decent show. But really not great in any way. I had a hard time feeling sympathy for any of the characters because of the magical premise of the whole action of the show, and because of how conceited and hypersentimental and spoiled they all appear to be.

    I would give the show a 7 I guess. Its just not something I’m going to recommend because it has no real real theme or message other than ‘don’t act as conceited as the spoiled characters in this show.’

  31. astrocurrent says:

    I think it is kind of amusing that you rate Ano Hana over H&C.

    Ano Hana is a decent show. It aims at empathy, to make one cry. And it succeeded. Applaud for that.

  32. Ishimaru says:

    Ano Hana was a brilliant show, but I don’t think it trumps H&C for me. I love it for the same reasons I love H&C, but damn was H&C good.

  33. Airi says:

    To be honest….when I read the description during the Spring line-up I purposefully ignored this one. I went out of my way to avoid it. That’s because….It was at the start of my last semester of High School. I just graduated last week. Right now..everything is changing. My friends are going away. My whole lifestyle has begun to change.

    And that’s why I watched the whole thing today. Because I needed to face that side of myself.

    I just finished watching the last one no less than 5 minutes ago and, let me say, I was bawling like a baby. I didn’t see those tears coming. I thought I could handle it but I couldn’t. What a great anime.

    So, thank you. Thank you for finally convincing me to grow up a little bit more today.

  34. Hunter-Wolf says:

    Brilliant show, i don’t understand how can anyone not like it unless they really have a dead heart or no taste in anime .. seriously.

    And Menma isn’t dumb .. she is a kid .. a 6 years old mind in the body of an 11-13 years old girl/ghost .. kindhearted .. maybe .. naive .. maybe .. but she is far from dumb .. it’s quite obvious.

    As for the score .. well .. i prefer the (Horrible/Bad/Good/Very Good/Excellent) rating system .. and without doubt AnoHana is one of the EXCELLENT shows out there in both the drama category and anime in general .. the music and songs are chosen to fit perfectly with the themes .. the animation is excellent for a Drama show and character designs and color palettes are lively and vibrant .. story is very well paced and has a strong impacting climax .. characters have depth and the show gives every one of them a chance to shine … .. oh .. and no disgusting fan-service, no pointless nudity, no dick jokes or boob groping or panty shots, no dumb cardboard characters … what’s not to like !!!!!

    And to all those going on with the (ewww, i have a classy taste this show is so overrated, it is way below my class, it’s for the tasteless brainless masses), (I didn’t feel anything, i didn’t cry, i’m a manly man) … thanks for nothing XD

    • Hades says:

      Ah ok, so the series you love is the best thing ever made and everyone who disagree with that have bad taste on anime huh. That’s basically what you’re saying here… really, grow up kid.

  35. MoonPig says:

    @Hunter-Wolf
    Clearly you have missed the general consensus of the comments stating that it was a good show definitely above the 80 mark. Can’t you tell the difference between being objective and subjective? BTW No one at all said that this show was “below” their class or was “for the tasteless brainless masses” so thank you for making such a banal statement.

    Oh, a shout out to the blogger – thanks for all the great reviews you’ve been doing!

  36. Tc says:

    I believe this show was simply fantastic. I was able to relate with each and every character, feeling their joy, anger, anguish, jeleousy, feeling their emotions on a level as if it was one of real life. for that alone it is one of the best of this season. He rated it perfectly and gave you examples of WHY he rated it where he did. Please reread the entire post before you fast forward to the score and then say it doesn’t deserve it.

  37. RaZ says:

    You know, i see alot of comments of people having negative comments of “the characters” pouring there hearts out in the last ep. Everyone seems to forget that, they’ve been holding the burden of somone they all love died, and blamed themselves for it. if thats not enough to get someone emotion al to that level, good chance your a lifeless rock.

  38. Tiggerknowsbest says:

    ah i just knew you would have liked it as much as i did psgels, definetely the rating it deserved.

    Every character in this show should be an example for any slice of life series to come. Anohana took the time to completely discover each and every character (poppo could have had a bit more time cause he was hilarious).

    definitely the standout series of the season for me.

  39. Tiggerknowsbest says:

    ah i just knew you would have liked it as much as i did psgels, definetely the rating it deserved.

    Every character in this show should be an example for any slice of life series to come. Anohana took the time to completely discover each and every character (poppo could have had a bit more time cause he was hilarious).

    definitely the standout series of the season for me.

  40. AKI says:

    I would have rated it higher. Manly tears, man, manly tears. Honey and Clover did not make me cry, Ano Hana did.

  41. mds says:

    I agreed that this is a fantastic show..with exceptional characters,but let me get to the point…a “9” in setting? Is the setting explored that much? This is a series about the characters,right? Psgels,I think you should be more objective about this.

  42. charizardpal says:

    Madoka had a better ending but started lame. Anohana started well but had a lame ending.

  43. summerberries says:

    I am okay with it, but it is not that awesome.
    Too much unnecessary drama specially when someone died ages ago. The story doesn’t need a lot of thinking but just stirring your emotion. Unrealistic overly emotional. For heart wrencher lovers.

    Too much attention on Menma. They made Menma sounds like a living goddess. The most perfect girl that no one can compare. Menma personality also annoys me, acting all cute and innocence -> the usual anime cliche. It may sound mean, but I didn’t cry. I was looking forward for the girl to go heaven

  44. rly? says:

    In my opinion, this series is definitely overrated. It’s a great, pleasant story to watch. However, following the standards set by your other reviews, this one should not have been rated above 90/100. Not that it wasn’t good enough, it’s just that some better series have received lower ratings. Maybe you really have enjoyed it that much, but for me it feels a bit unfair to the other ones.

  45. zzzdrama says:

    Idk why there are so many positive reviews of this. Personally, I felt like all of story could have been compressed to one or two episodes and gotten pretty much everything covered.

    SPOILER ALERT*****
    Did they REALLY have to show the same scene of menma’s shoe or whatever a zillion times over? And instead of feeding the same scenes over and over again like in the clubhouse and having them all sit around, showing it again and again and again really got on my nerves. They should have given us more background instead of just repeating things over and over again -_- Like WHY is menma really this amazing person that everyone loves still after years?? BACKGROUND PLEASE.<<
    Maybe if they actually didn't keep repeating the same scenes over and over again and gave us enough background to actually like menma, I might change my mind about this anime, but as of now, this is one of my least favorite animes of all time.
    Also, having menma be a ghost that only the main character can see and who can somehow move objects and write in a diary is really…….let's just say that part irked me a lot as well.
    In addition, the emotional part was so forced IMO that I was just like "….seriously??" after like the 20 millionth time seeing them cry -_- I know "conventional" drama has a lot of the elements Ano Hana has, and seeing that a very large proportion of the population love watching drama, that is probably why there are so many people who love it. I personally do not like this kind of drama, but to each their own. The storyline and characters sucked, and since that is pretty much what I look for in an anime, I personally rate it a 2/10 just for the okay animation. And no, I am not some "heartless fiend" or w/e, I am somewhat of a crybaby when it comes to some drama, but when it comes to this kind of forced drama…I was honestly laughing early-midway into the anime -_-

  46. Jedman says:

    I enjoyed this show, it was well made and has good character development. But the over the top drama and crying put me off, made it so I couldn’t get emotionally as into the show as I would have liked myself.

    It’ like there trying so hard to make it emotional that it becomes annoying. it’s too try hard.

    Some of it was very over the top and forced, if it was a bit more subtle I think it would have been much better for it.

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Blades are slightly different, yes, but mostly just in their guard and how much they bend. Sabers bend easily, Epee's not so much. Surprisingly Epee is the slowest, because people tend to be more careful. Saber is actually the most aggressive of the blades, atleast at my skill level
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@Lenlo: sounds like Epee is the most "all-out-attack" and aggressive one. Their blades are different as well I assume?
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For Right of Way, its basically Person A attacks, Person B parries, Person A hits, Person B hits, Person B gets the point because they took right of way with the parry. Saber and Foil both have that, but Epee does not. Epee is simply "Whoever hits the opponent first, doesnt matter where, whole body is target area"
Lenlo
Theres Saber, Foil and Epee. The main difference is this thing called right of way, but there are other smaller ones like how Saber can hit with the edge and Epee is allowed to hit the entire body, instead of just the chest like Foil
SuperMario
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@Lenlo: that sounds great. From what I know from fencing there are 3 different types of blade right? So what are the differences between them? (Fencing 101 here)
Kaiser Eoghan
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@SuperMario, Fencing was great. Favorite sport ever and it helped me stay in shape in College. I find Epee to be the best blade, mostly cause I fenced it, but its a very intense 3 minutes. Unlike sports like Soccer and such which is alot of sustained running, Fencing is 3 minutes of Dont-Stop-Moving then wait till next match. Gets really fun once you figure out your own style.
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That Olympic anime sounds great.
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SuperMario
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SuperMario
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SuperMario
Hey, fencing is actually really cool. How did you like it Lenlo?
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@Mario Rugby is more extreme *because* it has no protective gear. No hiding behind helmets and cushioned shoulder pads when ya get bowled over.
SuperMario
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I dont think theres alot of manga about it because its simply not that popular outside the US. As far as it being a battlefield, eeeeh? Not really? You want a battlefield watch Rugby.
SuperMario
I can think of other cool sports that could be interesting to see in anime: Kick Volleyball (Sepak takraw), Bossaball (combined soccer, volleyball in a trampoline), or in the same vein of skate figures this season, why not pole dancing competition???
Anonymous504493
What other sport is cool and popular that remains original to write about by now? There isn't a lot of manga about it compared to anything else.
Anonymous504493
American football looks like a battlefield with a visible battleline and everything. Id like it if there wasnt so many darn commercials.
Lenlo
I mean, its a sport. Far cry from best, but its definitely a sport.
SuperMario
@Vonter: or maybe because american football IS the best sports ever?
Kaiser Eoghan
@Vonter: Most likely due to the middle section of the original anime being the most popular bit.
Vonter
Can someone explain me how Cobra, is apparently getting an anime around some sort of space american football? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54kNWPr43zE
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not safe enough a film for me to properly recommend. Even to exploitation fans, they might find it too slow others would be too sensitive to it. Really una vita violenca, mamma roma, accatone, hawks and sparrows are what Pasolini is really about.
SuperMario
Now that you watched Salo, would you recommend the film to other people? I personally think it's a masterpiece but it's one of the title that I think people would break up with me if I show them this movie
SuperMario
@Kaiser: even him as a director, both Braveheart and Apocalypto don't do much to me, will see if Hacksaw Ridge going to change my mind (but I'm not to fond with war movies in general). La Notte is in my sooon-to-watch list for years, haha
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Mel Gibson as a director, not as an actor =)
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Thats why I prefer the neo-realist/quasi-neo-realism stuff as it deals with the worse off in society. But Antonioni was the master of being able to do films about angsty well-off people, L'aventura, the passenger and La notte for example
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Its not so much that I dislike post 50s fellini moreso I feel that his throw everything at the screen and hope what sticks method can be hit or miss.
SuperMario
While I don't really mind his later stuffs because he was masterclass, I have a pretty hard time for Paolo Sorrentino's later works. The thing is I don't care much about the high class society so everything is just ridiculously over the top and glamour and I'm tired of it.
SuperMario
I haven't watched nights of cabiria but I did watch La Strada and boy, I was sad for few days after watching it. Fellini mentioned that he was inspired to make this movie when seeing a woman pushing a cart from behind. The film really carry that sense throughout its running
SuperMario
Michael Haneke put Salo in his top 10 films. Quite understandable when you think about it. Still for me one of the movie that affected me deeply.
SuperMario
I really admire Elle for its ability to maintain its sharpness because under other inexperienced directors it could easily becomes a mess. Mel Gibson, really? He's one of the few actors that I absolutely dislike
SuperMario
@Kaiser: The Red Turtle remains one of the the most refreshing time I had this year in cinema, but then again I haven't watched much films lately. Agree with you on Sonia's performance, and I still think they could cut out the first 20' of the film because it feels out of place compare to the rest of the film
Kaiser Eoghan
Debating whether to bother catching up on I am a hero or watching the film adaptation. I haven't read it since they got rid of that one female character.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I've a feeling you'll like nights of cabiria, Fellini was cranking out some solidly effective social-realist dramas in the 50s before he fell into self-indulgence.
Kaiser Eoghan
Now I have that sound euphonium compilation film downloaded, I should get to that sometime.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I also finally watched Salo, I ended up meeting it pretty much halfway. Some parts still retain the ability to effect a modern viewer, having seen his other works though its crazy just how different Salo is to them.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: Seeing I, daniel Blake tomorrow and rogue one in a few weeks.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I hope Mel Gibson and Isabelle huppert win at the next oscars.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Mario: I liked the red turtle for its visual style of storytelling and animation even if I didn't get as emotionally attached to it as others did. I also watched Aquarius nd was pretty much blown away by Sonia Braga's performance. Elle is now one of my favourite Verhoeven films and its a miracle he managed to maintain such a great balance successfully throughout the film.
SuperMario
I don't care for the sequel of Code Geass at all. Why Spice & Wolf still hasn't got season 3 though is what really bugged me. From what I know their manga and LNs are selling very well
Anonymous494677
I wonder why that is...
Kaiser Eoghan
Ah, they were always milking code geass though what with those bajillion-million-billion manga spinoffs.
Kaiser Eoghan
Still say I was more fond of the character chemistry in spice and wolf as opposed to everything else.
Kaiser Eoghan
I'll likely pass on the code geass sequel, the memory I have of it has already led to its appeal dimishing for me, I don't want to ruin things further watching an un-neccesary followup. Still avoiding utawerumono's second season for same reasons.
AidanAK47
After all there are things which need sequels and things which don't. And Code Geass never needed a sequel after R2's ending. Giving something a sequel can just ruin the conculsion of the orignal series. Case in point. Eureka Seven Ao. Remember that? Cause you shouldn't. Because it was terrible.
AidanAK47
Honestly I would have preferred Spice and Wolf Season 3.
AidanAK47
So...is anyone gonna mention that Code Geass is getting a sequel?
....Because Code Geass is getting a sequel.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I am watching it as well. But I am a bit behind because I am watching the funimation broadcast dub. It's a very good guilty pleasure. I don't find it quite as funny anymore but it's still pure dumb fun.
SuperMario
@Anon487524: I'm still following it and it still remains a fun show to watch. I love the way they do the fan-servicey completely straight.
Topgavin
@anon I'll admit to watching it. While it is very simple and follows the sport anime formula religiously, it's still a blast to watch every week. This is also helped because you have no expectations for it before watching other than "oh god what's gonna happen this week".
Anonymous487524
Granted, nothing special, just one of those anime whose only worth is being fun to watch without being deep, but Keijo really is fun to watch, easily the best guilty pleasure anime in a long while to me.
Anonymous487524
I started watching it expecting an crappy fanservice anime with nothing of worth, but it ended up being actually pretty fun and awesome to watch.
Anonymous487524
Anyone here seeing Keijo?
SuperMario
What's up with 3-gatsu no Lion? Delayed for a week huh?
Kaiser Eoghan
Checked out Hedeki anno's godzilla re-boot earlier out of curiousity, its a bit plodding/dull at times but sometimes its high camp value played straight is kind of funny, having godzilla evolve during the film was a cool touch and I enjoyed every scene with him and making a Godzilla film today is still very relevant. Not a patch on the old ones though.
Anonymous482380
I think that movie was just so terrible that people made it into a meme. Stuff like "The Entire Bee Movie Except Evey Time They Say 'Bee' The Movie Speeds Up"
Kaiser Eoghan
I'm sorry lmao I had to, it seemed so appropriate a moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GadTfGFvU
AidanAK47
Fun Fact: The whole Bees shouldn't be able to fly thing is a myth.
Badesh
I think that was just a dry realization...
AidanAK47
@Topgavin, It's a meme to post the entire script of the bee movie in random places?
....I don't get the joke.
Topgavin
For anyone wondering, I think anon just copy/pasted the entire script for the Bee movie. Memes are goin strong
Anonymous479946
According to all known laws
of aviation,


there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.


Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.


The bee, of course, flies anyway


because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.


Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.


Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.


Barry! Breakfast i
Kaiser Eoghan
Actually I think it was up to about episode ten or so I saw.
Kaiser Eoghan
From what I can recall I watched legend of the galactic heroes somewhere past the part with the Caligula guy.
AidanAK47
That is one thing I wonder about the remake. How are they going to make the space battles interesting? Cause for me theres only so many times you can watch tin boxes shoot lasers and explode.
AidanAK47
I didn't like LOGH until the third episode. That's when it started to catch my attention. It also helps that I have a interest in history as the plot of LOGH practically reads like genuine history.
AidanAK47
In my case the overhype didn't kill it for me as I generally try to avoid that. When I walked into LOGH I was under the impression that it would ahve merit but not be for me. After all I heard it was mostly politics and the politics of Gundam bore me to tears. Funny enough the opposite happened. The space battles bored me but the politics got me really interested.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, The problem is that the people who say that something is the best thing they ever seen don't actually mean it. Often it's just hyperbole. When talking we other people fans tend to blow certain things out of proportion unintentionally. Overrated is likely the wrong word but you get what I mean.
leahcimali
@AidankAK47 oh and are you going to write a review about it or because psngel already wrote a review of it you are not gonna write it ?
leahcimali
the problem is trying to rank art . Even comparing a comedy show and a story focus show is clearly impossible. @AidanAK47 do you think the overhype of some hardcore logh fan killed you enjoyment of the show ? Because sometimes when you expect nothing of something you can enjoy it more than when waiting for something incredible.
leahcimali
i hear the same thing from fan of lord of the ring, star wars and game of thrones, star trek ... etc. The hardcore fan of those says that they are the greatest things in history ... but saying there are overated is discrediting the quality of those. Nothing is perfect and again maintening equal quality in a longuer running show is impossible. But having a longer story create a more rich background
LookingForKeys
@Mario Kimi no Na ha is pretty damn good. Watched it while in Japan a couple weeks back. The story has well done surprises, and on the graphics side you can *really* see Production IG worked on it.
leahcimali
I don't think saying logh is overated is a good way to say it. All media with great aclaimed critics or even highly popular show suffer from the fan reaction. If fan claim that it is the best things that they have ever saw and you don't agree, it feels overated. But this is only pure subjectivity. Saying he is greastest thing in history is a way for fan to exprim there love
AidanAK47
However it has been placed on a unreasonable pedestal that nothing could live up to. Eva is sort of in the same boat. So yes it is overrated but that does not mean it isn't great.
AidanAK47
@Leahcimali, if anything is claimed to be the greatest thing in the history of mankind it is overrated. The basic idea that there is a single anime out there which is fundamental and universally better than all other anime regardless of genre or intent is inherently a flawed concept. I do certainly see why LOGH is so highly acclaimed and I believe it is well worth watching.
AidanAK47
@Anon, I didn't look into the details of the new LOGH remake. I was planning on doing that when I am doing an anime season preview for it whenever it's going to air next year. For a long anime it does rate highly but even then I am not certain it really needed all 110 of those episodes.
leahcimali
about your comment are you thinking the LOGH anime is overated ? i ask Because you said that there is plenty of anime you consided better .
Anonymous476875
about the remake won't it be a straight adaptation from the manga remake by the artist that made shiki ?
Anonymous476875
AidanAK47 personally i really loved legend of the galactic heroes and it is one of the anime that make one of the biggest impact on me. I found it the best "long" anime that i ever seen (more than 24 ep). But comparing it to anime with shorter format is a bit hard. you can make something that have perfect pacing in 1h30 but it is impossible with a 110 ep anime.
AidanAK47
Either way I am pretty certain that all other isn't crap to me now seeing as I have seen the so called pinnacle. In fact There are plenty of anime I consider better that LOGH.
AidanAK47
There are aspects of its story which wouldn't really work by today's standards.
AidanAK47
And I did it. I watched legend of the galactic heroes. I have slain the white whale of anime. It certainly was interesting to say the least but I think the remake coming is going to have trouble. I am in between giving it a 8 or a 9 but it's clear that LOGH is very much a product of its time.
Kaiser Eoghan
I didn't really care for this weeks flipflappers, the fanservice and also it was even more trigger than I could take.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Gavin@Mario: I'll get round to your name someday but I think this might be my last chance with shinkai.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: That disgaea review made me nostalgic because I remember my friends and I playing it back when it first came out. We found it difficult but were amused by it/liked the characters.
Kaiser Eoghan
@Aidan: Are the manga posts exclusively for series with only a few chapters translated or series that came out in the past year or so? I've been reading gunka no balthazar and enjoying it enough and think it should get recommendation out there.
Topgavin
Just booked tickets to go see it on Sunday with my little sister. Was surprisingly reluctant but I know she'll like it, I've already seen it but pumped either way.
SuperMario
Your name movie has been showed theatrically here in Aus, I'm planning to rewatch it soon in theatre and then do a review on it. Is that alright with other admins?
SuperMario
so I guess the top 6 will advance to the final are: Otabek Altin (Kazakhstan), Giacometti (Switzerland), Yuri, Yurio, JJ and Phichit? Will be very cool final event haha
SuperMario
At the very least Yuri on Ice shows me how entertaining ice skating can be
SuperMario
@K-Off: have a good trip ahead K-Off. Well, it's still better than Japan (earthquake) I guess
K-Off
Well, heading to Korea tomorrow. What a time to go. In the middle of Korea's biggest financial scandal since the 80s.
Lenlo
Is it just me, or does the Yuri on Ice opening get more colorful and detailed every week?
SuperMario
Badesh, if you like to check out their other songs, give "Tunnels of Love" and "Romeo & Juliet" a listen. Though I just discovered Telegraph Road quite recently, those 2 songs are qmong my all time favorite
SuperMario
I prefer their ealier version when the band was still together (aLCHEMY 1983), but that Rome 2005 was magnificent too. Seriously with this band diifferent live versions feel like another experience... And that song is criminally under-heard in radio too, because of its running time. A crying shame
Badesh
uhh, found it in better quality. now, THAT is a fitting present for my dad :)
Badesh
well that commentator, that sounds like he's in a soccer match, will get on my nerves though...
Badesh
if you're talking about the rome 2005 version... hell, that's some sweet music. i'll inhale that for the rest of the evening, thanks for that
SuperMario
Anyone here listen to Dire Straits? I just in the mood for their music lately. Checked out the band playing Telegraph Road live the other day on youtube and I was completely stunned.
SuperMario
@Lenlo: I considered Flip Flappers 3,5,6 to be its best so far so continue on to see if Flip Flappers is your cup of tea or not
SuperMario
For me I have a lot of stuffs to catch up on this time a year, both in terms of anime and in my RL. Time goes fast as hell
Lenlo
Started watching Flip Flappers. Thought I had it figured out, then we got Mad Max going on. I may start liking it more, cause the first 2 eps didnt do much
Lenlo
Its also nearing Thanksgiving in the states and end of semester for University, so those sorts will be busier than usual.
AidanAK47
You are far too young to be reminiscing. You can build a place for a community but you can't force one to come. I for one would think it would be easier to form one if people stopped using the Anon tag. You can change your name with the customize button you know.
Anonymous469664
I remember a time when people other than site admins were regular posters. Those were the days...
AidanAK47
But I suppose watching Westworld isn't exactly a waste of time.
AidanAK47
Downside is that I really don't have a lot of time these days. It's rather annoying. The day goes by and it doesn't really feel like you did anything.
AidanAK47
On the upside, I am nearly finished Legend of the galactic heroes. So when the Remake airs next year I will have a lot to say about it.
AidanAK47
Personally I have been rather busy lately and wanted to finish off a few things. Hence why my posts have been getting later.
AidanAK47
Anyway when there's nothing on the chat box to talk about then of course it dries up.
AidanAK47
You have unfortunate timing.
Anonymous469664
All the chat regulars have left house as well.
Anonymous469664
Four days since a single post.
K-Off
Damn, I don't know if it's the layout/algorithm/mods, but so many subreddits that I used to frequent have gotten watered down as hell. Between the influx of shills and changes to the upvote/downvote system (which doesn't properly convey controversial comments anymore, like 45 upvotes to 47 downvotes. Now it shows only a -2) it's hard to find reasonable debates or find important info
SuperMario
@K-off: and for that book the last time I checked it was $110 for you guys who live US plus free shipping. For us it's $150 not incluing the postage and few weeks delivery.
K-Off
Damn, I didn't realize that it could be that bad elsewhere. The worst experience I had was when I ordered a laser pointer from Switzerland over a forum, and the cunt didn't respond for nearly 4 weeks until I threatened to refund my $250 on PayPal.
AidanAK47
@Mario, Europe. That's the difference.
SuperMario
@Aidan: yeah I got a dispatch notice saying it's shipping now. I ordered it back in September as well so I don't know why the difference between us.
Kaiser Eoghan
I remember the days where I used to be relying on waiting for anime dvds to come out locally , looking back they were really overpriced, 35 euro for 4 or 5 episodes.
Kaiser Eoghan
My opinion on FMA alchemist ended up being all over the place because I must have watched 3 episodes every few months of it, then I stopped watching it for a year, got back into it for a few months, abandoned it for months then marathoned 20 episodes in one night to get it finished.
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