Posted by psgels on 15 July 2011 with categories: Blood-C



And the third series I’m definitely going to blog this season: Blood-C. Before I decide on the others I first want to watch Dantalian no Shoka and Kami-Sama no Memo-chou’s second episode that air this evening. As a fan of Clamp though, I really like this series so far. It’s got a lot to like, but at the same time I can also understand that it’s not for everyone.

For the ones complaining that this is too slow, though: that’s pretty much both Clamp and Blood+, albeit in many different ways. Blood+ took a really long time to get going (like, 15 episodes or something), while Clamp’s stories are always filled with a lot of laid-back scenes, describing the different characters. It’s that kind of charm that I really like, because of how they always end up delivering upon it later, using the slice of life scenes to create memorable characters, even those who are supposedly one-sided at first. My only worry right now is the 13 episodes, but at the same time I’m very curious as what Clamp can do when they have less time than usual to work with.

Oh, and the fight scenes! This series definitely has the best action of the season. This is because you can actually see what happens: characters’ movements are detailed and actually anatomically correct. Saya really feels like she’s struggling with the enemies she fights, and instead of the cameras just focusing on some weird angle, they really allows us to see how she moves and tries to attack. This has been a knack of Production IG for ages now. I really feared that they abandoned this philosophy with Sengoku Basara, but thankfully Blood-C shows them once more animating some excellent down to earth fight scenes.

Now, the big potential pitfall for this series will be spending too much time on build-up, and (most importantly) too little on actually delivering. I liked this episode, though. The non-action bits were good slice of life, and felt very personal. The characterization was pretty good and down to earth, especially of the cast as a whole, and the characters talking to each other actually kept my attention throughout the episode. When describing the slice of life, the dialogue is actually quite natural, the characters discuss down to earth topics that actually secretly flesh them out really well. My only problem is that Saya acting embarrassed felt awkward. Her acting overall has its moments where it’s a bit weak.

Oh, and for the people who haven’t seen Blood+: don’t worry. It’s not yet sure whether or not this Saya is the same Saya as in Blood+, because we don’t know whether her father is telling the truth about actually being her father and all, but this really seems like an original story. There have been no references to other series
Rating: ** (Excellent)

28 Responses

  1. Frost says:

    On the other hand, this is the biggest disappointment of the season for me… Watched Blood+ long ago and liked it quite a bit, and this is just… Not even close

    I hate what they did to Saya… And this spends too much time on pointless school crap etc that no one cares about, then inserts a random fight at the end, which makes it feel like a boring monster of the week show

    Sigh…

  2. Ren3D says:

    The action in this show took me by surprise and has kept me interested. I do hope that the story arc starts picking up soon.

  3. Hogart says:

    It’s not so much that I’m disappointed with Blood-C being slow.. just that aside from a few not-quite-spectacular fights and some obvious foreshadowing, what’s happening is utterly trite and tedious. I just can’t help comparing to this Heartcatch Precure, and yet finding it underwhelming.

  4. AidanAK47 says:

    “using the slice of life scenes to create memorable characters”
    Ha…
    “The non-action bits were good slice of life, and felt very personal. The characterization was pretty good and down to earth, especially of the cast as a whole, and the characters talking to each other actually kept my attention throughout the episode. When describing the slice of life, the dialogue is actually quite natural, the characters discuss down to earth topics that actually secretly flesh them out really well.”
    Um…Psgels. Where we watching the same episode here? There is nothing memorable about these characters. They all feel like typical characters transplanted with personality traits of previous clamp characters. That conversation wasn’t natural at all and did nothing to explore the characters. All we got was some good fight animation and pointless banter. In other words, this was episode 1 rehashed. I spent the first 16 minutes in painstaking boredom.

    Psgels, I bet you will drop this show eventually. All and all if the next episode doesn’t give me a reason to give a damn about the a girl with a glaring lack of personality I am dropping it.

  5. Morgoth says:

    I can only agree with what AidanAK47 said and say that I totally disagree with your assessment of the slice-of-life in this series, psgels. These characters are a pain to watch not only because they are stereotypes but because the whole dialogues between them just seem… stupid. Or then there are moments when these school-friends seem like they are making fun of Saya without her realizing it. There’s for example this scene where Itsuki tries (again) to express his love for Saya, getting even an obvious encouragement from the twins and STILL Saya just doesn’t get it! Saya isn’t just this kind of unnerving moe-dump anymore, she just seems retarded by now.
    And Aidan also mentioned that already but to make an example how much of Ep 02 seemed like “more of the same” without real progress: There’s this banal scene between the dog and Saya where Saya just tries to get close to it and the dog flees at the last second. And now it happened twice (!) in two episodes, one such scene could be a hint to the importance of the dog in later episodes but letting this boring scene happen two times in the first two episodes is just obvious and dumb.
    This series is made to be slow and really depends on the characters and the dialogue but both these things just seem so obvious and stupid… I can only hope this series gets better once it arrives at the serious part.

  6. Tomtom says:

    I kind of second Frost and Aidan, there is not a lot going on so far. On the other had, this show did remind me to pick up blood+, which I’m enjoying (25 episodes in).

  7. Gintoki says:

    Even as a Clamp fan, I’d have to agree. Saya just seems one- dimensional at this point. Okay, so she’s great at tons of things. She’s loved by everyone around her. She’s an all-out nice girl.Also, her goal is to protect everyone..Hmmmm… Where have I heard that before?
    As a Clamp heroine she’s completely forgettable and I find it hard to like her along with rest of the cast.They better get started on the real plot soon because I’m losing my patience!
    I feel like Clamp has been going in a downward spiral after the very disappointing endings of TRC( bizarre plot twists yo) and xxxholic( where was the resolution? I WANT A PROPER ENDING! After all that build-up, that’s what we get?!). They really have to pick up the pace otherwise Clamp will lose the credibility they’ve built up through the years.
    Also, a side note:when Saya approached the dog, was anyone secretly praying the dog to bite her?No? Guess it was just me then.

  8. VyseLegend says:

    This show seems like the most uninspired, boring show of the season. Seems like they’re only making it as a cash-in on the Blood name.

  9. hardrock says:

    Blood + was paced so slowly it was painful to watch sometimes. You could skip an episode and not really miss too much. Blood C really has given us two episodes of mild buildup, without explaining a whole lot. I also thought the second ep was better visually than the first. There are parts of it though that bring me back to the mid 90’s.

  10. Frost says:

    Glad to see almost everyone agrees with me, I honestly thought Id get bashed for my comment lol

    But really, like everyone says, Saya is such a boring character right now… WHY DID THEY HAVE TO ADD A STUPID CUTE CLUMSY SIDE TO HER? IS THIS KOBATO? NO! Its supposed to be a hardcore anime about vampires, ffs… If she was on her “serious” personality all the time, this would already be so much better

  11. Morgoth says:

    What I also don’t understand how one can give these silly school-antics THAT much screen-time if they are in the end just banal since actually it’s all about Saya’s darker side… At least I thought this is a series about a girl kicking some monster-ass – but as they portray it right now it seems more like it will be some kind of sentimental drama about Saya than her fighting for some just cause against evil monsters.
    But the problem with that is just how silly they made Saya… how is she supposed to be the centre of a serious plot with that kind of characterization?

  12. Glau says:

    There’s a reason Psgels is the respected anime blogger and you guys are commenters at his blog – and not the other way around. The man has a very good eye and Blood-C is a far more appealing and interesting show than what one might gather from all the bitching going on. Personally, THANK GOD it’s not like Blood+, a show that consistently failed to engage me, so that I just couldn’t force myself to care anymore by the time the “really important stuff” started happening.

  13. xxxholic_wing says:

    I have to agree on Glau on this. Psgels has a lot of patience and he blogs shows which are deemed “boring” by the mainstream. Anyway, if you don’t like to watch the show, don’t bother watching. No one is forcing you anyway.

  14. m says:

    Yeah, Blood+ should have had more one minute cat scenes, lame singing routines, and a heap of Kobato so that it could be a much more compelling action series like Blood-C. Maybe if Saya had a tired personality split foreshadowed with a sledgehammer that ties into a theme of nature/nurture Blood+ wouldn’t have needed all of those episodes to tell its story.

    There’s actually not a lot about Blood-C that ties it to anything else in the franchise, but that doesn’t necessarily matter. This is obviously more influenced by CLAMP, but I wouldn’t say that it is “soooo CLAMP,” what with having read their manga and all; their works are actually usually pretty tense, even when they aren’t full of action. The anime adaptations aren’t always good at presenting this, which is how I’m rationalizing psgels’s perspective here. Blood-C will undoubtedly move more in that direction once it gets off of this copy pasta, and all of the frivolous things will become serious business, but this followup episode was really tedious.

  15. nodbgp says:

    Like psgels said the fight scenes are awesome, I thought the pacing was really slow too, but I don’t really care, I guess people are expecting a lot of action and blood because of the short lenght and name, and because of that are forgetting to pay attention to the little nuances that for me are just a preview of what’s to come, all in all I believe in Clamp and I don’t think they would name the anime Blood just to borrow the fame and the heroine’s name, I believe they will also make sure to add a strong theme, even if not the same that was used in Blood+. I’m guessing that in the end there will be this big message about individuality, changes and what you really are, and as I see this Saya will be perfect for that. If something in that league happens, the action stays down to earth and I keep getting this dark vibe from the ambient and scenary I don’t really care if it stays slow.

  16. Joojoobees says:

    People can have differences of opinion about the balance of SoL and Action in Blood-C. I don’t know what to think of it yet.

    I do want to correct something that @Morgoth said, however. They did not repeat the scene with the dog. In this episode she tries to get near the dog, but it runs away. In the first episode, she tried to get near the dog, but remembered that she had to run home to fight a monster. Two different things. That doesn’t mean you have to like it, but it is incorrect to say the same thing was shown twice.

  17. m says:

    That’s a dog? That was quite a failure of object classification on my part. I want to write, “If I get any dumber I’ll have to revert to picture books,” but obviously that’s no good. I suppose drooling on myself is still a possibility.

  18. AidanAK47 says:

    “There’s a reason Psgels is the respected anime blogger and you guys are commenters at his blog – and not the other way around.”
    Yep and that is that Psgels has the time and patience to keep one updated. And the ability to write a decent opinion. That doesn’t mean he is always right.

    I respect his opinion and most of the time I do agree with him. But occasionally I find he may have missed a point or misjudged a series. Well that just goes to show that he is human.

  19. Hogart says:

    “There’s a reason Psgels is the respected anime blogger and you guys are commenters at his blog – and not the other way around.”

    Why the odd defensiveness? We aren’t attacking psgels. If anything we’re wondering what his keen eye is seeing that we’re missing, because what you say happened to you with Blood+ is happening for us right now with Blood C.

  20. Morgoth says:

    @Joojoobees: Hmm, my choice of words wasn’t that great, I should’ve explained my point better… What I meant was that the basic meaning of the scene (the dog is important and Saya is attracted to it) is portrayed two times with these scenes without adding anything to the meaning of the connection the second time around. Therefore it seemed like a bad kind of repetition in my eyes. Since I don’t think this is one of these kind of scenes where repetition is a sort of metaphor.

  21. Glau says:

    @Hogart
    I wasn’t defending Psgels, I’m just tired of the endless bitching about Blood-C after only 2 eps and I’m glad at least Psgels can see there’s something to the show. The difference with me vs Blood+ and the people bitching about Blood-C appears to be that I didn’t go into Blood+ with any specific expectations and I at least tried to stick it out (understand that I’m not bitching about Blood+ even now, I’m just glad I can get into Blood-C the way I never really could with Blood+), whereas those who have a problem with Blood-C seem to have lots and lots of expectations and no patience whatsoever. So you guys could really learn from Psgels to be less predisposed and enjoy what you have because it isn’t bad at all.

  22. Hogart says:

    Fair enough. I do wish you’d have just said that, as your wording implied something a bit different to me (all these years and English still confuses me).

    For what it’s worth, I’m not going into Blood C with any expectations, and I am also sticking with it to give it a chance.

    But my negative response is also unexpected to me, and it’s rare that my opinion contrasts that sharply to psgels, so I couldn’t help but post.

    But for my part, I’ll stop. There’s plenty of negativity already, no need for my two cents. I’ve given lesser shows less of a hassle, so you’re right.

  23. Glau says:

    @Hogart
    Well my wording was a heat-of-the-moment kind of overstatement. I’d seen people bitching about it elsewhere so what you guys said here was just the final straw, so to speak. I don’t actually have a problem with people speaking their mind, I just don’t get what’s so terrible about this particular show compared to many others if you drop the whole expectations bit.

    For example, people bitch on and on about the singing, but the thing it immediately brought to my mind was “oooh, girl, they must have some serious pain in store for you if they’re making such an effort to make everything about you so bright and bubbly right now”. So let her sing if/while she still can, it’s not like she doesn’t deserve it considering her night shift…

  24. Hogart says:

    True, and I realize I’m being a bit unfair, but there’s a line where it goes from “subtle foreshadowing” into “ok, we get it” and they’ve now gone onto “man, is she singing off-key AGAIN?”. And that’s just the singing :)

    But since I’ve resolved to let it go, I’ll just sit back and watch for now, hoping for the best but expecting what I’ve seen so far (ie, more off-key singing, breakfasts, and puppy sightings ;)

  25. Sacchi says:

    I really like this series so far. It’s got a lot to like, but at the same time I can also understand that it’s not for everyone.

    Are we watching the same show? There’s a lot to like? Really? I guess there’s an audience for everything…I’m just going to give a third episode to this show and see if it can deliver. If it doesn’t, I don’t care if it has Blood in its name, no nostalgia of Blood+ can make me stand how bad this show is in my eyes.

  26. UnknownVoice says:

    Someone actually LIKED BloodC? surprising.

    Blood+ was a decent rip off of Buffy(with less feminism, sadly), Blood-C is a complete pile of annoying CLAMP cliches(and i am clamp fan), bland one-dimensional characters, annoying klutzy main character and uninspired cartoony-overstylized fight scenes.

    IF this thing does nto get better by third episode, I am forgetting it ever existed and going back to my Blood+ rewatch.

  27. レナ says:

    Isn’t Blood-c similar to blood+?

  28. UnknownVoice says:

    @レナ

    Its a bizzaro-world version of Blood+.

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Lenlo
Oh yeah, thats not a knock against it. Just noting they dont *need* much animation
SuperMario
Well, the nature of Mahoutsukai is slow-burned, so it makes sense they focus more on static, quiet moments
Lenlo
Was that blade 2022 thing supposed to be an example? Because I wasnt a fan. It was stylish sure, but difficult to follow.
Lenlo
Maho is a good looking show, I wouldnt call it a great animated show.
Lenlo
The issue for me is, theres just not alot being animated most of the time. Usually its a pretty slow moving anime, so most of its time is talking and still shots. It doesnt need alot of animation, so it doesnt have it.
Lenlo
@Niel, I think Mahoutsukai can have good animation when it wants to. Like the water viel in episode 10 looked good (Though im not sure how much of that was after effects)
Anonymous1635607
uhhh creepy
Anonymous1635589
the blood of the innocent will flow without end, mmmm this is why I love Inuyashiki so much
Amagi
I think the security is the same as here, it's just that Japanese people are less likely to rip stuff (correct me if I am wrong). It seems like ripped anime, manga and so on are basically always uploaded by Americans, Chinese people or someone else.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was surprised heavens feel was camripped I thought security in japanese theatres was stronger.
Amagi
Yeah it's also screening in Germany, I will watch it in February, together with Heaven's Feel, Mutafukaz, Kimikoe and a few others.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*on Europa cinema
Kaiser-Eoghan
Nanoha new film to screen next February in the US, come in Europa license it for over here dammit....
Kaiser-Eoghan
Did have some down moments though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
And I guess contrasting Luke with his old self goes some way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Saw the preview screening of the new star wars, still feel the new trilogy stands inbetween the originals and prequels, fufills its duty as a *** star blockbuster , some genuinely hilarious high camp moments, awful tokenism, Snoke is a shit villain, but two scenes with Luke actually have a pathos to them and I liked the chase/action scenes when they happened. Nobody cares about the acting/dialogue
AidanAK47
But there are times when it goes way too far and you can barely make out what is even supposed to be happening. Or characters go so off model that they are unrecognizable. It can be immersion breaking. Much like uncanny CGI.
AidanAK47
@Niel, I do agree that it's annoying to see people complain about animation when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about. Like those inbetween frame screenshot people. But I will say I appreciate on model characters more so than chaotic movement. When the off model stuff suits the tone of the scene like that blade runner part, then it's fine.
niel
I also don't want to see someone imply visual=animation for the hundredth time. Are people really that ignorant of the technical/artistic aspect of the media they consumed?
niel
It just depends on what works best in given scene and the aesthetic they want to go for. People can complain all they want about off-model stuff, but if they really only want that the they won't be getting nearly as much of those impactful scenes as there are now. So many of the ways people complain about it is really irking to me.
niel
normal/low action scenes is different from being on-model during the action sequences and just the ones that need some extra impact in general. https://youtu.be/rrZk9sSgRyQ?t=6m45s
niel
But that depends on the situation though. And I'd argue that being consistent and on-model during
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter/Niello/Mario: Ideally I want it both ways, fluid animation AND consistent model visuals, all the while never sacrificing choreography.
SuperMario
But really, who am I to say. I'm the dude who prefer beautiful shot composition myself
SuperMario
The same can be said with Shinkai's movies since he always prefers static, beautiful shot that people tend to overlook that his animation is quite poorly handled
Vonter
You're right, but art direction does alleviate limited animation, I mean the old Berserk anime, kinda has a lot of slideshow moments. MahoYome has nice backgrounds, and despite the samey faces, at the very least doesn't come from the same mold as other series. Still cutting corners with chibi segments is was a mistake.
SuperWooper
Is it any wonder that people prefer things to be static/on-model? They want to see characters who look consistent and familiar so they can relate to them.
Nie
MahoYome being the biggest offender of people getting triggered to any kind of statement about the show's animation not being good. And it's absurd because the show's animation really isn't great at all. It's good with distracting people with pretty pictures, but animation-wise it's still mediocre.
Nie
@SuperMario: Not much. Just stuff like "Art is part of the animation weather it's beautiful backgrounds or just amazing looking characters. It's not all about how they move. If it was, CG would be considered great animation" multiple times. I've just been finding myself being replied with these kinds of comment non-stop since the start of the season.
SuperMario
@Niello: What happened exactly, if you don't me asking?
Nielllo
If I hear someone says AMB has good animation one more tie I might actually lose it. It's amazing how people who apparently know nothing about it try to defend this and other people who don't know anything are actually supporting the guy.
Niello
So with Fate Apocrypha episode 22 out, I'm just now learning that people think webgen style is horrible and they prefer static scenes with pretty visual over actual quality animation. WTF. I can't comprehend this. Are casual people who watch animation in general really that oblivious to the art they have been watching?
Lenlo
Berserks Dynasty Warriors style game looked better. Also, Mahoutsukai should be up tonight/tomorrow. Turns out, Christmas is a busy time of year at this job.
Amagi
*worse
Amagi
Especially when you consider how good CGI can be by now, look at Houseki or Kado. But Berserk was the worst thing I saw in years, many scenes felt worst than sequences of PSX games
Amagi
@SuperMario: Same. I love Kon and also consider Paprika's OST as the best. @Lenlo: Me too. I honestly even enjoyed the movies but the new series was atrocious
Lenlo
HIRASAWAAAA! HAAAAAI YOOOOO.
I miss the 90s Berserk.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I was also quite fond of his soundtracks for Berserk. AIIIIIYE FORCES : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkYYYew8CUI
SuperMario
@Amagi: I'm a big fan of Kon so I've watched everything from his. Even bought a book about his works. About the soundtrack, I listened to them as well but not regularly, compare to pprika OST which I downloaded and listen to a lot
Kaiser-Eoghan
Although not completely a manga, Usagi yojimbo also has an anthro character.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Millennium actress is partially inspired by the actress Setsuko Hara.
Amagi
@Kaiser-Eoghan: The anthro-animal manga is even a topseller as far as I know. Haven't looked into it yet, though. Maybe I will do so.
Amagi
Speaking of it, I am still hoping Dream Machine will happen some day. Kon died believing it would happen
Amagi
@SuperMario: Have you tried the other Kon movies like Millennium Actress once? Thought they were really good and Hirasawa is responsible for the OST there too. Or Paranoia Agent which was (IMO) very good as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nttSKBJ38k (OP)
Niello
Eoghan: Enjoy... ;)
Kaiser-Eoghan
While I haven't read this, its very strange to see a manga about full anthro animal characters: http://kissmanga.com/Manga/Beastars
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: So based on that I will try devil lady. Thanks.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Vonter: That'd be me who made that post. I thought dororon enma-kun was wonderfully ridiculous and Devilman gorishly entertaining, Shin Mazinger Z was probably some of the most fun I had with an anime, but violence jack took it way too far though so I guess I'm aquainted with nagai's work
Vonter
I don't remember who was looking for something noir in anime. I was looking among several series from Go Nagai. And watched some Devil Lady. I don't remember if noir is exclusively detective stories, but this anime, has those high contrast shadows, eerie music and is shot like some japanese horror movies I've seen. I don't know if it changes along the road but so far it's very suspenseful.
SuperMario
I only know him through his works in Berserk and Paprika but his music never fails to amaze me
Anonymous1626471
@Amagi: Ghost Bridge is my favourite. I just find it very calming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeh5aJsxlbw
Amagi
Susumu Hirasawa is one of my favorite musicians/composers. I don't even know what kind of subgenre this is. There aren't any other music groups I know who do similar stuff
Nielllo
@Mario, Already saw that video before.
SuperMario
Check this out... I don't even know what the freaking instrument he's playing, but it's spellbound https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjalQjAomH0
Niello
Just when I thought Houseki no Kuni took the prize for best animation I was treated with Apocrypha. This week is amazing.
Niello
Big name animators all over. They really threw everything they've got here.
Niello
Woooooah! OMG Apocrypha ep 22 animation is sick! So that's why the animation in the first half of the show is so lackluster and basically just darn awful.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Its not entirely odd to bring up Heydrich in relation to the occult either, apparently he was said to be part of some whackjob order.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Hmmm, that girl from Dies irae, Anna Schwegln is aptly named, also shares her name with the last executed person for witchcraft, who was Bavarian German, which i'm told by an Austrian friend were particular right-est leaning politically.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Of course unfortunately its often the opposite that happens, nothing is worse than an ending that ruins everything.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, how I love being surprised by something. That feeling where you''re watching something shakily held together, simply okay or good, then suddenly in the second half or last stretch your score of it goes massively up.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I can kind of understand the wanting to go home and watch something easy mentality instead of challenging but even though I'm guilty of escapism, I'm tired somewhat of "sillier" stuff, its often enjoyable but its get overly reptitive and I wish I could find more philosophical/political/imaginative things.
Amagi
Yeah the show is great because of its theme, the setting and chemistry girls have as well as their (lack of) knowledge about basic human things. Each episode thematizes this in a different way but there isn't much you can talk or say about it when you already explained the topic in detail.
SuperMario
On the other hand, I don't have much to talk about Girls' Last Tour this week. It's still good, but with this episode I feel that I'm running out of concrete thig to say about the show
SuperMario
Haha both Houseki and 3-gatsu have a good showing this week. I have a lot of things to talk about Houseki in particular
Amagi
This week's Houseki is jurassic park
Amagi
*-ati - I think Netflix and so are at least giving a few new impulses which isn't too bad. I don't think the typical anime series will disappear because of that.
Amagi
At least in comparisation
Amagi
I think it's just sad how often I see wonderful series selling 500 BD/DVD or maybe even less. Most series don't sell more than 1500 or so and the rest is usually at ~3000-5000 which is still pretty low.
Amagi
Yeah, it's one of my pro-Netflix arguments as well. Another problem is that anime (not counting manga) only make money through dvd/bd sales since they air at night, whereas Netflix or daytime tv series don't depend on the latter so much and since anime BDs are so expensive the only ones who buy them are the more extreme fans.
AidanAK47
Might be in part due to the workaholic nature of their society that makes escapist fantasy and empty entertainment more appealing than usual. Ultimately these are the people anime is made for so opening up the markets gives more deserving shows a fighting chance.
Though that isn't to say that western taste is perfect either.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, That's part of the reason I think some westernation might be a good thing as from what I seen the Japanese have truly terrible taste in anime. Sales charts from Japan just make me shake my head.
Amagi
God, the preorder anime lists are atricious. The only one that seems to sell acceptable (around 6k) is Mahoyome. Series like Inuyashiki have 80 pre-orders so far, Shuumatsu Shoujo 977. Idol shows sell good of course, including that male/bishounen Idolmaster
AidanAK47
@Anon, I read it but kinda fell out due to it's releases being slow.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Actually if you check the manga recommendations section, you'll see there is a post about it here.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Anon: Yes, it was interesting to follow a story that dealt with a characters homosexuallity that was outside of the yaoi/yuri mould.
Anonymous1620968
Out of curiosity, has anyone on here read Shimanami Tasogare?
Niello
Where are we up to with Inuyashiki?
Lenlo
Well alright then. Episode 9 out of 11 and that happens. Was not expecting that
Lenlo
Ooo something happen this week? Im about to watch it
Kaiser-Eoghan
It feels just as rushed and awkward in the manga.
Amagi
I noticed this too
AidanAK47
Inuyashiki has balls of steel to pull that in this particular episode number.
Nielllo
Finally got around to reading Helck, and it looks like it's going to go into that pile of good-shounen-that-won't-ever-get-animated right alongside Psyren.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Imagine trying to buy the dvds of the show in public.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Aidan: Gentle remind that the prism ilya movie is out and subbed.
AidanAK47
Still surprised the second and third seasons got dubbed.
AidanAK47
@Angel, I replied to one of your comments before but the rundown is no official word yet but maybe next year.
Angel
Or no? Someone please tell me!!
Angel
Going to happen?
Angel
Is fate/kaleid liner prisma☆illya 3rei dub
Amagi
I dislike it when manga bait me into reading due to the first chapter and end up being some very generic stuff afterwards. Nobody stays for B if he started something for A, authours should expect that.
Lenlo
Really, Juuni should stick with the 3D. That fight in ep 9 looked pretty good. 3D is clearly what they are good at
AidanAK47
@Niello, It's not Chatango. It's a plugin for wordpress called Wisechat.
SuperMario
@Niello: yeah, Juuni caught me off guard this week. The production of Juuni is unfortunately shaky, but well, strong writing can save the day
Niello
Btw is this chat still Chatango?
Niello
This week episode of Juini is surprisingly good compared to how the show usually is with its backstory. Although the part where Ox tries to explain to Tiger could definitely use some visual buff.
SuperWooper
in the future*
SuperWooper
Pretty cool that Juuni Taisen had that kind of emotional heft this week, though. Might be one of the 2017 shows I sample the in the future.
SuperWooper
I think the occasional comments with an episode title and nothing more come from people who mistake the shoutbox for a search bar.
SuperMario
@Anon1614688: juuni taisen... made me tearing up this week. Honestly didn't expect that. Damn you, Tiger
Anonymous1614688
juuni taisen
Amagi
Had some complaints regarding Children of Whales but the latest two episodes were pretty good.
Amagi
@Anon: You explained it better than me.
Anonymous1614307
Kaiser: I actually have the exact same opinion of Natsume and Mushishi. Both are excellent, but Natsume just does a great job with a small core cast and a very simple premise
Anonymous1614456
who likes naruto
Kaiser-Eoghan
Mushishi does have good stories, but it was always a manga I'd dip in and out of, on and off for years, never marathoning it, wheras Natsume was easier to read several chapters of in one go.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I think its because Natsume has more pathos.
Kaiser-Eoghan
*more than
Natsume weirdly ended up becoming this comfort manga for me with a higher consistency rate .
Kaiser-Eoghan
I will state that I hold the terrible opinion that I like Natsume Yujinchou than Mushishi but at the same time completely recognize that Mushishi is probably the more ambitious, better show.
Niello
So it becomes a cycle of "this is an interesting set up" (except that the new Kino isn't even good at that) and then they fucked up or Kino/Shizu fucked them up even more, then move on. Without the emphasis on philosophical nature of the set up they present like in the original Kino, there really isn't that much point to it.
Niello
With the new Kino it's more about messing people up, occassionally observing and hardly ever improving. The anwsers or solutions to the problem they present is never really talked about in a rational way.
SuperMario
@Anon1614318: maybe you should give the old Kino a try. What I don't like most about the new version of Kino is that both Kino and the new guy are sketched as hero. The old Kino manages the tone right as well. There were some really dark tales and most of them thought-provoking. Can't say the same for say...Country of Cooking
Anonymous1614318
I don't know, it might be interesting to actually dig deep into the differences between episodic series with this kind of style to see what works and what doesn't.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's a matter of the chapter they chose to adapt were not really the better ones but the ones where the protagonist is more of an active role. Not totally against that, but it feels like the protagonist is just OP all the time. At least with Mushishi Ginko isn't able to save everyone all the time.
Anonymous1614318
I guess it's supposed to be more allegorical, but most of the time the allegory is not really meaningful enough. I thought it would be more along the lines of Mushishi, which is kind of similar in setup, but better in most other ways.
Anonymous1614318
What keeps me sticking around are some of the nice background arts and generally pleasant use of color, but admittedly most of the episodes aren't really engaging in a meaningful way. Most of the time its just Kino/Shizu show up, find out town's gimmick, then save the day. I prefer the episodes where the townspeople are more than just flat background characters.
Anonymous1614318
It's interesting to see how this new Kino season is being received from folks who've already watched the original. This is my first real exposure to Kino, and I kind of like it, but even without watching the original, I share many of the same complaints Aidan and most of the others have.
Amagi
I am also kinda sad he's just some 2* servant in fgo, but his power is special and he's physically weak, so it's understandable.
Amagi
And again, Shakespeare is just great but the character is, sadly, kinda wasted here considering how much screentime he has.
Amagi
@Aidan: Yes. Plus, maybe more characterization or background for some servants. The anime would have that time without Sieg and his romance sub plot.
AidanAK47
@Amagi, Those being remove Sieg and more Shakespeare?
Amagi
And man Apocrypha is pretty good but it would be twice as good if it had those two changes Aidan always mentions in the reviews..
Amagi
@Kaiser: I think the male in Kino was a mistake. Having two PoV sounds good, but he's basically just a male Kino, he even looks like her. Someone vastly different would have been way more interesting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'd guarantee that sangatsu no lion would be high up, but FINALLY this weekend I'll be catching up.
Niello
@Kaiser, Ugh my phone gitched. What I meant to say was that background was unexpected. Now I see why you're enjoying CotW though.
Niello
@Kaiser, That's unexpected.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I enjoyed how outright surreal Arakawa was.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: It bothers me that they're stuffing multiple tales into single episodes.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Ah, excel saga, I wonder what I would think of it now, its been years.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I actually respect Aidan's coverage of it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Niello: Yes that edgy villain kid in COTWs was annoying though.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Amagi: I don't care much for the male character that leads some of the episodes in this new adaptation.
@Niello: Its a non-mainstream shoujo that isn't set in a school, moves at a quick enough pace and has some nice background art/chara design, I grew up on shoujo fantasy manga also so theres that.
Amagi
I mean there are parts I like. I enjoyed the first episode, and the part about the country of liars. But many other things annoy me and the last episode was the worst. I also feel like the edgy bomb loli and slapstick Kino don't fit to the rest of the show somehow. Maybe I forgot everything, but the "old" Kino felt like a better character to me somehow, this one is more faithful to the LNs though
Amagi
@Kaiser: I honestly gave up on Kino and I think it's only partly the fault of the new series. I am just so tired of how stupid most of the episodic-characters are unless their are friends of Kino, how everyone gets bent being irredeemable evil for plot's sake and how everything Kino and her friends do gets justified. Maybe I am just too old or boring for this fairy tail like moral bending.
SuperMario
Still have Night is Short review to write... i will get there. I will get there
Anonymous1612237
It's like having potty mouth characters. If you have one, it can be funny and a good comedic relief. If everyone does it, it can come out as mean spirited or trashy.
SuperMario
@Kaiser: I haven't watched A Bad Idea Gone Wrog, as for now my top priority is to catch up with 2017 anime for the Yearly summary. But I will get on to it when I have some free time
Anonymous1612237
Amagi - Chibi stuff I've seen it mainly work in anime comedies with low budgets like Those Who Hunt Elves, Ranma, Excel Saga, Arakawa Under the Bridge, Nanbaka, etc. I think if you really have to use it in a more serious anime, I think it might work if it was part of one character's gag.
SuperMario
Children of the Whales, along with Juuni Taisen, keep falling out on me. Kino is pretty a hit-or-miss at the moment. I don't mind the last episode's multiple tales though
Niello
Problem about AMB chibi jokes are that they arwn't funny in the first place nor do they have a punch line.
Niello
@Eoghan, Really surprise you put Children of the Whales so high, I'm falling behind on some shows but it is still near the bottom of my list (the absolute bottom remains Kino).
Kaiser-Eoghan
The latest Kino episode was a real slap in the face/insult, really really thought that one segement would carry on for the whole episode and be a redemptive one/getting the series back on form but then it followed it up with crap comic relief segement.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: For now yes.
Lenlo
Droppin Mahou Kaiser?
Kaiser-Eoghan
I no longer care what Dia's gender is, no longer I will lie to myself and deem them female.
Kaiser-Eoghan
5. would be juuni taisen
Kaiser-Eoghan
My rankings for the season based on what I am following: 1. Houseki no kuni 2. Children of the whales 3. inuyashiki 4. girls last tour dropping mahou and Kino.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I don't remember Joseph being all that present from what little I read of the manga.
Amagi
Fear so too. I mean it has a bunch of good ideas and good quality and such, but it feels like it won't be much more than the magical being of the week (or two weeks) and some Elias highjinks inbetween
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