Posted by psgels on 16 July 2011 with categories: Anime Reviews, Heartcatch Precure




So, because of Heartcatch Precure I’m doomed to watch every All Stars Precure from now on until eternity, just to see more of Tsubomi, Erika, Itsuki and Yuri, even though they’re all pretty bad movies. Imagine this: a movie with 21 main characters. To give an indication of how incredibly crowded this is: it took this movie three minutes and twenty seconds to get through the transformation scenes of everyone. There was like… no end in sight to them!

What’s more is that the Precure Franchise has always been very clingy to its own formula. What this means for this movie is that it’s pretty much the same as the previous All Stars movie. The general plot outline in any case is like an exact copy. Heartcatch Precure solved this with really good characters, animation and storytelling. This movie however… yeah.

With 21 main characters plus a truckload of mascot characters that gets a bit hard if you refuse to stay with the same formulaic premise. Usually stories just pick four or five characters and give those some depth, but even that doesn’t happen here: the main characters from Suite Precure just get a few more lines, that’s all. Apart from that, everyone is equal. And equally bland if you haven’t seen the series they belong to.

I will say this, though: this third movie IS better than the first. The animation is more creative for one, but it actually does attempt some serious drama other than “bad guys evil. Kill them again”. It doesn’t pick out any characters to focus on, but instead it goes with a theme that everyone can relate to: partnerships. These themes are explored without any subtleties at all (even going as far as to make Heartcatch’s Erika act out of character just for the sake of getting its message through), and its messages are really obviously shallow, but at least it gives the movie more of a structure than what happened with the second movie. Oh, and the ending is a Deus ex Machina ending. That doesn’t help either.

Aside from that, this is a very bright, flashy and colourful movie. Flashes, beams and sparkles are incredibly abound, and this all happens with a huge amount of fluidity. The interesting thing however is that this movie really leaves things to be desired in terms of hand to hand combat: it looks gorgeous during the long-distance fights, but when characters actually need to touch each other the animation resorts to shortcuts, still frames and awkward cuts. This leads me to think that Toei put a ton of money and talented animators on this thing, but left things to be desired on the animation direction and production.

Now, I do wonder about the point of these movies. Of course it’s fun to watch your favourite characters all together in a movie. I get that. But the first precure series is already seven years old by now. That’s older than actually some of its fans and the franchise’s target audience. I mean, there’s a reason why Disney re-releases its movies every seven years: there are going to be so many kids who wonder who the heck the older characters are. And this movie is purely fanservice. It’s not like it’s doing a good job introducing the characters to people unfamiliar to them or anything. This movie was entertaining. I give it that. But not much more, unfortunately.

Storytelling: 7/10 – At least it’s mildly fun and the action is good to watch, but it depends way too much on its own formula.
Characters: 6/10 – You’re going to have to put in effort to make a story with 21 main characters work. The characters who ended up stand out the most to me are actually the exposition mascots!
Production-Values: 8/10 – Really, really flashy, sparkly and beamy with often fluid animation, but leaves things to be desired on the hand-to-hand combat.
Setting: 5/10 – Forgets some of the things it introduces, brings characters out of characters, completely contrived set-up.

Suggestions:
Heartcatch Precure Movie – Hana no Miyako de Fashion Show… desu ka?
Professor Layton and the Eternal Diva
Digimon Movie 2 – Bokura no War Game

14 Responses

  1. DmonHiro says:

    I’m still pissed off at how inferior Suite is comapread to HeartCatch. I mean.. how can you make something so AWESOME, then go back and make something so… bland?!

  2. Shirencel says:

    I still refuse to watch any of this simply because I can’t bear to see the HeartCatch cast mixed into that … mess.

  3. AnimeFan000 says:

    The from the small clips of the moive I have seen, it wasn’t too bad, it was quite enjoyable. At least they kept Cure Moonlight’s badassery, that’s a plus.

  4. gsilver says:

    I decided to stick with Suite, and I’m glad that I did. While, yes, it isn’t as good as Heartcatch and had some weak early episodes, it’s turning into a very enjoyable show, and episode 21 in particular was quite good. I’m also much more of a fan of Hummy than I was of the mascots in Heartcatch.

  5. DmonHiro says:

    @4: Yeah… pretty good my ass. It was obvious from episode 1 that ***** would be a precure. Mephisto is a joke, and about as threatning as an angry dog. The trio of morons is… well… stupid. Hummy is the only one keeping this show from sucking 100%. Also, if you haven’t figured out who Muse is by now…

  6. Kiseki says:

    I happened to love this movie. Fanservice, fanservice everywhere! Rin/Rogue is forever a tsuokkomi.

    The writing in Suite is pretty bad, but I do rather like what’s going on with the plot. Mephisto may be a joke, but that may be done on purpose. Notice his ears? They’re always like that. Notice the ears of those he brain controls? Yeah.
    I still think Aphrodite is the true Big Bad.

    @5 – You’re being trolled. The whole Suite series is a troll. Mostly Muse. You THINK you may know who Cure Muse is, but (unless you’re talking about that background character…) you don’t.
    The Suite movie poster confuses me even further. The orange “Cure Muse” is most definitely Ako, but what about the masked “Cure Muse” who is on the same poster!? (Hypothesized to be said background character.)

    Bravo to the Toei staff for posted a preairing fake leak on the interwebs too.

    By the way psgels, I think you’d like Splash Star. It has a lame start, but the slice of life is just so well-written and heartwarming. Mainly because the whole theme of Splash Star is the importance of life. Can’t praise the animation though.

  7. updatedude says:

    Just finished this movie, and I liked it.

    The first DX movie was great in my view. It was lovely action all the way and a nice gateway movie. It had its flaws, but was the perfect multi-series crossover, especially when contrasted with the likes of Kamen Rider Decade’s All Rider War movie.

    Second movie was… erm, well, it lacked the fights, unfortunately. It had a bit more character interaction, but a step down from the first one to me.

    Now this third movie, I liked it. With 21 characters, I think they did the best they could. It lacked hand to hand fighting, and it felt like it was going through the motions of hitting points A to B to C all the way to Z. Really, there were just too many characters and too many points they had to hit for there to be any “additional detail”.

    HOWEVER, what I did like was that they never dawdled. The entire premise is laid out right at the start. And all the usual knock downs and rallying and more knock downs and final rallying was done in quick succession in a very fluid fashion. And there was plenty of dialogue, one might say… a LOT of dialogue for a kiddie movie, but that allowed many of the Cures to get some spotlight.

    But here’s where the movie really worked for me. In the first movie, they had time to devote to beautiful action. In this one, they didn’t have time to do anything extra, so instead, they crammed as much detail into each sequence as possible.

    For instance, when the Cool/Secondary Cures landed, Mint caught Rhythm. But Marine, being the goofy char she is, fell into the water.

    Or whenever a group is presented with a situation, each character had an appropriate facial expression based on their character type.

    Cure Marine’s probably the most obvious. All the silly landings or reactions and so forth are done by her. Though granted, Cure Blossom became somewhat more generic, but oh well, she was on the Leader/Determinator team.

    As Kiseki said, it’s got loads of fanservice, but the fanservice is pretty subtle. As a standalone, it does the best it could considering it’s got to cram a huge number of characters in. But if you’re at least familiar with the general personality of each Cure, there’s a lot of tiny attention to detail.

    Would I recommend this movie to a non-fan? Probably not. I maintain that the first DX movie is the best gateway into the franchise. But this one’s a suitable entry and it caps off the trilogy well enough.

    The Deus Ex Machina ending almost seems to be as a result of Suite being an ongoing series though. If this movie came out at the end of the year rather than early on, I wonder if it would have ended at the credits?

  8. updatedude says:

    Additional note: Regarding Splash Star. I can’t remember who’s subbing, but I think they re-released Splash Star in 3 batches? If nothing else, you might want to get that last batch. If I recall, batch 1 dealt with the first 2 generals and is the infamously slow series start.

    Batch 2 gave us the more interesting generals as well as the inevitable “Sixth Ranger” arc.

    Batch 3, which was I think… 40 to 49? 41 to 46 was pretty action packed. But it’s the last 3 eps… I think Batch 3 is good to watch overall, but those last 3 or 4 eps were astounding. You can basically watched those eps and take ’em as a mini-movie. Naturally, there’s some plot details you might not be aware of, but you can easily conjecture what’s happened based on context (after all, the PreCure franchise doesn’t exactly have Bantorra or Bacanno level intricate plots).

  9. Kiseki says:

    The Deus Ex Machina ending has nothing to do with Suite going on. None of the Precure movies are canon (but Suite’s movie will be?), Fresh’s and Heartcatch’s are almost canon.

    So far Splash Star’s movie is my least favorite. Great anime, horrible, horrible movie.

  10. updatedude says:

    @9 – I meant Suite going on in the sense that the kids in the audience needed to know why the TV series still had Hummy when the movie said it shouldn’t.

    Although in retrospect, Precure wouldn’t cross the line of having a bummer or bittersweet ending anyway.

    I don’t even remember which one’s the Splash Star movie. I think the worst movie for me so far is the one with the Toymajin. Was that the one? I genuinely can’t remember which group handled that.

    I’m glad the DX movie made a mention that Toymajin and Baron Salamander weren’t that “bad” though.

  11. KN-XIII says:

    Hi, I just finished watching Heartcatch Precure and their movies (It was my very first Pretty Cure series I watched and I liked it. I think I’ll give a shot for the Futari wa Precure and FwPC Max Heart next).
    I don’t know anything about the DX3 since I waiting for someone to sub the Blu-ray version. But still I think I’ll watch this only to see again the Precure from Heartcatch (I miss them so much…).
    I just wanted to tell, it seems that every one didn’t like the DX2 movie but still it had an awesome ending theme and dance. Aren’t you agree with me?

  12. gsilver says:

    @10: While the movie definitely isn’t cannon, Hummy is still around. The mascots come back after the credits sequence.

  13. kagami says:

    koollllllllllllllllllll!

  14. Firechick says:

    Hey Psgels? Have you seen the Precure All Stars New Stage movies yet? Because they’re MUCH more structured and character driven than the first three All Stars movie. I saw New Stages 1 and 2, and they’re both very good, albeit very flawed.

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Looks like we're getting more on Haiji's leg again.
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Well alright
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@Aidan: When I talked to amagi about Beastars I don't think I ever heard your views on it. Also from what I recall you haven't read Vinland?
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https://youtu.be/S6H1qskbEIg
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For Beastars, if its the Houseki no Kuni team, I wouldn't worry until we see a PV
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Something that feels very different about huge detailed art aswell on the other end more simpler styles, in comparison to alot of the generic moe style we mostly see now.
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And while I am on different artstyles, I bloody love Ryoichi ikegami and Suehiro murao also.
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Complete different art too, cartoony even.
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Years ago I read almost of Yoshihiro's stuff, although I never got around to finishing a drifting life by him, I also read that Mizuki guy manga i mentioned.
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I've been wondering about this for a bit, is anyone on here familiar with the Gekiga period/wave of manga from the 50s and 60s to very early 70s? Such as stuff the by Yoshihiro Tatsumi and also Shigeru Mizuki's Onward toward noble death?
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@Anon: I was right in there with them waiting to hear the results.
Anonymous3391737
They took the words I was about to say right out of my mouth.
Anonymous3391737
Late to the party, but man this was a good episode, iffy CG runners aside (though I hope that'll be addressed in the BDs). I'm so glad they were able to qualify.
Lenlo
Hmmm I cant wait to watch it
Kaiser-Eoghan
This cast has grown on me. Also while I would appreciate followup on Yuki's family, I actually don't mind if the show didn't, because this series manages to say much by saying little.
Kaiser-Eoghan
I'm glad that even though it showed then in a top ten list, they weren't up the top of it. Its more believable that way. Also who'd of though a race would be so tense?
Animosh
Also happy to see that the twins will get some spotlight next week. Aside from Musa they've had the least development so far, so they can use the attention. I also like that someone's finally raising the question what the point of it all is. If you have no chance of winning, why compete? It's a valid question, and I'm looking forward to hearing Haiji's answer.
Animosh
Haiji's injury was less of an issue than I expected: he even finished as "best of the rest" (excluding the leading group). Looks like it'll keep simmering under the surface for now. The fact that it was highlighted again probably means it is going to play a big role in the story eventually though.
Animosh
Anyhow, you can't always get everything you want, so whatever. It's still a very good adaptation overall, with some of the most impressive animation out there, and with some luck the cuts were just a one time thing and the rest of the season will be consistently well-paced. And if not ... well, the Claw arc is less "deep" anyway, so cuts will be less of an issue there I think.
Animosh
And just to be clear, I also agree that the episode elevated the source material in many ways: the aspect ratio nonsense aside, the episode looked incredible, no question. But my complaint is not with the animation, but with the storytelling, which - although by no means awful - could have been a hell of a lot better.
Animosh
@Anon: I agree the two chapter rule isn't perfect, and when there's a lot of fighting a faster pace is often preferable. So maybe an additional episode would have been too much - again, I don't remember how much was cut exactly. And of course, in the end pacing is a matter of preference. I loved this arc in the manga, and I'm probably more negative about cuts than you guys just because of that.
Anonymous3390450
@animosh Ill always remember this episode and laud it for it was able to accomplish. There are so many things it did to elevate the source material. Everything it covered from the source material was elevated in animation; the only issue was that shit got cut, and it's a bit unfortunate because i think it could have been easily avoided. Like lenlo said: a part of our gripe comes from our manga exp
Anonymous3390450
@animosh as a product of the previous season and episodes leading up to this, but it would have been even better if we got to share the experience mob had in mogami's would. The dread and isolation mob was meant to feel was communicated artfully; but that third element; the experience; that was what was needed to complete the trifecta and cement this episode as THE perfect adaptation.
Anonymous3390450
@animosh influences mob, we are missing one more element that would have completely sealed the deal. By BONES cutting out what they did, they took away from the viewer the EXPERIENCE mob went through. Losing that aspect, watching mob's journey through mogami's illusion, slightly hampers the overall impact his breakdown and his use of his powers against people. Most of the impact is still there
Anonymous3390450
@animosh despite my criticisms, i thought this episode was fucking great. I think the directing captures the dread and haunting oppressiveness mogami's illusions were meant to have on mob quite well. The adaptation communicates well what mob went through and why it broke him. What my criticisms amount to is that while the direction communicates well how mogami's macabre thinking eventually
Anonymous3390450
@Animosh that 2-3 chapters pace is not really a reliable rule, because that standard is completely dependent on how much content is in a particular chapter. The second half of this Mob psycho episode adapted like 3 or 4 chapters without feeling rushed; why? because those chapters the second half of the episode adapted were all action scenes, which when animated, take up less runtime
Animosh
Maybe I've just been spoiled by that other big Bones adaptation, My Hero Academia, which not only has great pacing but even adds high-quality filler to improve on the source material. Compared to that ... this was rather disappointing. But as Lenlo said, the episode did still do a lot of things right, so I didn't hate it or anything. It's just that it could have been much better still.
Animosh
@Anon: maybe that would have been enough (it would certainly have been an improvement). It's been so long since I read the manga that I don't know how much was cut exactly. But in general 2-3 chapters per episode is the pace adaptations should aim for, but these two episodes covered a whopping 8 chapters. That's just too much, especially for an arc where build-up is so important.
Lenlo
I think a longer episode, cut the OP, squeeze out every minute, would be better than a whole nother full episode.

Thing is, I think we are only a bit disappointed because we were manga readers. For anime only, this probably still hit all the right notes. And really, the entire episode is just straight fire animation wise
Anonymous3390290
@Animosh Nah; i don't think giving it 1 more episode would have been the answer, all it would have done is drag things out. What this episode needed to tape into its full potential was to be an extended episode; a 27 min ep that cut both the op and ed. If mediocre shows like re:zero can get 26 min eps commissioned out the wazoo then why can't a great show like mob psycho get that shit?
Animosh
I did still enjoy the episode as a collection of well-animated action set-pieces, but as a story arc just one more episode could have made it so much better imo.
Animosh
To use your example: no, an episode filled with suffering wouldn't have been fun. But now we barely got a glimpse of what Mob went through. The boy went through hell, and he was stuck there for six (!) months. Even so, he decided to forgive Minori, and his positive emotions beat Mogami's negative ones. In the manga that felt like a triumph, here not so much.
Animosh
But as a viewer (and a manga reader who's a fan of this arc), I thought it was somewhat disappointing. Yes, without the cuts the episodes may have been a bit less engaging, but I think that would have been fine all things considered. Build-up episodes are always less fun than the dramatic highlights, but they're necessary to make them land.
Animosh
@Lenlo: I understand why Bones did it this way, and I agree it would have been harder to make each episode engaging, get them to end at good points etc otherwise. It's also very possible they were contracted for a certain number of episodes, and if they want to get to the end of the Claw arc in 12 episodes some short cuts were inevitable.
Lenlo
Theres more, but I need to sleep and save some of it for the post
Lenlo
Both of them sacrificed their bodies for others. Her to make money for the kids, but willingly. Hyakkimaru for his family and clans prosperity, but unwillingly.
Lenlo
I think it would have made a fine cliffhanger, but not as good as this. Because this is a fantastic parallel I am writing about for the Dororo post.
Kaiser-Eoghan
Would that have made for a good cliffhanger
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: What would you think if the episode had ended with the shot of dororo's reaction and the scene with the girl and samurai was reserved for the start of next weeks episode?
Lenlo
Also, fun fact, the episode ending? The part involving Hyakkimaru? Anime original.
Lenlo
Great episode
Lenlo
She also covers herself up when Dororo mentions Hyakki can see the color of peoples souls. More foreshadowing. I loved it.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: A yes, re-winding and paying more attention to her expression at the episodes start after finishing the episode and then going back to it I see the foreshadowing.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Ah what better eyes you have for things than I do =P
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Perhaps yes it did show everything openly but I think it did it in a bleak, grim, non-exploitative, non-minipulative, non -overdramatic way.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Shows how shitty it was too for women back then too.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: But this is another great example of how gritty this can be and not holding back in terms of the setting.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: Also that we see it through the most innocent characters eyes. I wonder if the manga or old series had that in there.
Lenlo
Yeah. I suspected it from the start, seeing her washing herself in the river, but it was very... blatant. Nothing to the imagination
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Lenlo: I was rather surprised at the frankness of the final scene.
Lenlo
Dororo so sad this week ;_; I love it
Lenlo
@Animosh, I was pretty happy with this weeks Mob really. I understand the pacing concern, but I don't see how they could have adapted it without having a single episode full of just suffering. It works for a webcomic, but not for a weekly animation I dont think. I plan on rewatching it in a bit and will see if my feelings change, but I enjoyed it. Still mulling it over narratively though
AidanAK47
@Firechick, New Anime reviews are automatically added to the review index on the header.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: The choice to draw the characters as animals makes for something different to, with the character designs.
Animosh
@Kaiser: that sounds pretty great! I'll be looking forward to the anime then. :)
Kaiser-Eoghan
I liked Dororo this week, that him getting his hearing back would actually be initially something he'd have to get used to.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: I actually only very recently saw zootopia.
Kaiser-Eoghan
@Animosh: I initially mistook beastars as being a slice of life school series that had bits of comedy and that the animal thing would be just a gimmick. Ended up getting a gritty drama with well realized characters and world building and an addictive pace.
Animosh
The designs weren't as good as they could have been either (from the rather unimaginative ghost designs and sparkly eyes Mob to the dull background environment), and the action was a bit hard to follow at times (which wasn't the case in the manga). It was my favorite manga arc back when I read it, but it certainly won't be my favorite arc from the anime.
Animosh
Still not a fan of how Bones adapted this arc. The pacing was way too fast again, and the emotional climaxes didn't really land for me as a result. And although the animation was excellent as expected, I really didn't like the change in aspect ratio. The intention was probably to make the experience more cinematic, but the main result was that everything looked smaller, and therefore less intense.
Animosh
That's the manga series you and Amagi were talking about a while ago, right? Is it good? The plot description reminds me a bit of Zootopia.
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